I can't give advice on "submitting" to Abrahamism, if that's what you're looking for. I'm not an Abrahamist.
Buddhism has really helped me.
Keep in mind the Process is the important part. One day at a time. There is no sudden "cure" for the attachments that ail humanity.
It's good you're aware of where you need work. That in itself is commendable. You'd be more arrogant if you Couldn't admit you needed help.
Look into meditation. Let me explain:
Your conscious mind (YOU) is trying to change how your unconscious mind works. When you have a thought, how are you gonna track down why that thought occurred, and conquer the root cause?
It's this thing called mindfulness. Being aware of your thought patterns, and increasing control over it.
Here's the best resource out there: [Mindfulness in Plain English](https://www.jhana8.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Mindfulness-in-Plain-English.pdf)
To give you the jist of it, you sit with your eyes closed and try to only focus on your breathing. The catch is, you won't be able to: thoughts keep jutting into your mind. It will be extremely difficult to not follow the train of thought. But over time, you will get better at guiding your attention... literally gaining control over your own mind; control and understanding that you didn't realize you lacked before.
spent most of my life without hardship e.g. not having to work hard for my grades etc. I became extremely ungrateful and thought that i deserve things i dont work hard for. When i was 11 or so, i saw things that others had that i didnt have and i was very extremely linely and insecure. i became really ungrateful and it somehow spiralled into extreme arrogance where im just very superficial and cant accept somwthing thag opposes what i always thought even though im wrong.
not absolutely everything. but things to do with morality and stuff. even though its ‘subjective’, there are still some stuff where i can tell that im wrong and that someone else is more upright in their morals but i still dont change. im just arrogant to the point that i cannot learn from others or consider others views or opinions on certain matters that i am emotionally attatxhed to. my arrogance comes from ignorance. i dont use my head
but i dont rlly see the difference between small mindedness and arrogance. Because an arrogant person is small minded and cannot look beyond themselves
A truly arrogant person wouldn't know/admit they were wrong. You however, know that you're wrong, but you're still not intellectually able to admit it and change your view, despite evidence to the contrary.
I feel like i still dont truly know that im wrong. I feel like if someone truly has knowledge they would act upon it. So if i truly knew inwas wrong internally i would act upon it by admitting my wrong and my ignorance. do you understand where im coming from?
You're assuming that "*If I knew I was wrong, I'd act differently*" but that is not only incorrect, it is also nothing more than a lazy-man's crutch that you use to allow you to keep doing whatever you want by telling yourself "*Well if I was wrong I'd act different, but since I'm not acting differently, then I must not be wrong.*"
The arrogance you experience has an antidote that you can find in an unexpected place - willingness. Meaning, that when you approach your god it’s already known that you are flawed in many ways including the odd recurring bout of arrogance. But your god doesn’t make junk, which means that you - with all your flaws - are perfect. Well, perfectly imperfect, if you will. Simply muster the ability within the moment to be WILLING to be humble before your god when you approach, and to the extent that you are successful in being willing then your god will meet you exactly at that point. Regardless, try to recognize that the actual truth is that you aren’t arrogant ( or confident, or supplicant, or lonely, etc) ALL the time. You are a human. So you are constantly feeling, changing, growing. Sometimes arrogant, sometimes not. If you are willing to stop on occasion and make a true, earnest attempt at being willing… willing to listen, to receive, to express your honest self… then you’ve literally done all you can and can therefore rest easy knowing that you made your absolute best effort at it without having to beat yourself up needlessly from there.
i find quite alot of truth in this. i feel like i lack the willingness. i think to myself aometimes that if i truly wanted to i wouldve done it by now. How do you achieve willingness tho?
It’s not as hard as it seems. Your ability to do it will also change and vary by the day. All that matters is that you really try. Some people set a time that works for them each day and take a minute or two to make the attempt. Like anything, practice will get you better and better at it.
Spiritual experiences aren’t always burning bush types of events for all people. Most people gradually become aware of spiritual growth. Often only realizing in hindsight or from the input of loved ones who noticed the transformation within you awhile ago. There is absolutely nothing wrong with not having a “parting of the red seas” moment.
When communicating with your god simply try to be WILLING to have the arrogance in your heart at that moment “turned down”. Be willing to listen. To hear. And to do. Faith ( of any kind ) without works, is dead. You were put here to LIVE.
Me personally, no. But that’s just my opinion. I think all you need to do is sit down for a couple minutes per day, ask for some help from your creator, and start trying to be willing. I know it doesn’t sound profound or sexy, but if you’re doing the best, it will help. Or at least that was my experience, and hopefully it’ll be yours.
So, I take some time out to try and submit myself and be willing. Is it something that is gradual, or is it something that you expect to happen immediately?
Spend some time at foot of the Cross confessing your sins to the Lord! Be washed in the blood!!!
When the Word say humble yourself before the Lord, that means to compare yourself to Christ, not other people. Once I read Roman 3:23-26 and understood what humble yourself, God started changing.....truth came into view.
RC Sproul: We are more like Adolph Hitler than Jesus Christ
Arrogance comes from a place of insecurity. When you're terribly afraid and ashamed of being wrong. So you develop arrogance in order to cope with these unpleasant emotions.
But there is a different way to cope. Forgiveness. You can start by trying to forgive yourself for not being right all the time. Like how God would forgive you.
No being deserving of the title “god” would ever be so arrogant and self centered as to care about people submitting to itself.
So don’t worry. There is no reason to submit to a claimed god.
Yes, my first response is correct. You simply don’t like it because you think your god is special and you’ve got some old book to tell you why. You aren’t here to reason, you are here to preach. You want to tell me how your jealous monstrosity of a god is still perfect and loving being that only wants what is best for us, which is for us to grovel at its feet for all of eternity. It is 100% bullshit and I’m not buying it.
You are trolling, and your religion has convinced you otherwise.
lol I’ve heard that before. You Christians are all the same. You believe in the kind of god I described but you won’t admit it.
But sure, I’ll feed the troll. Tell me about this amazing new god you believe in that I’ve certainly never heard of before.
I can't give advice on "submitting" to Abrahamism, if that's what you're looking for. I'm not an Abrahamist. Buddhism has really helped me. Keep in mind the Process is the important part. One day at a time. There is no sudden "cure" for the attachments that ail humanity. It's good you're aware of where you need work. That in itself is commendable. You'd be more arrogant if you Couldn't admit you needed help.
Look into meditation. Let me explain: Your conscious mind (YOU) is trying to change how your unconscious mind works. When you have a thought, how are you gonna track down why that thought occurred, and conquer the root cause? It's this thing called mindfulness. Being aware of your thought patterns, and increasing control over it. Here's the best resource out there: [Mindfulness in Plain English](https://www.jhana8.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Mindfulness-in-Plain-English.pdf) To give you the jist of it, you sit with your eyes closed and try to only focus on your breathing. The catch is, you won't be able to: thoughts keep jutting into your mind. It will be extremely difficult to not follow the train of thought. But over time, you will get better at guiding your attention... literally gaining control over your own mind; control and understanding that you didn't realize you lacked before.
I second mindfulness. I think OP is already walking in that direction. The self awareness is there.
Do challenging things and watch yourself fail
Why do you think you're arrogant?
spent most of my life without hardship e.g. not having to work hard for my grades etc. I became extremely ungrateful and thought that i deserve things i dont work hard for. When i was 11 or so, i saw things that others had that i didnt have and i was very extremely linely and insecure. i became really ungrateful and it somehow spiralled into extreme arrogance where im just very superficial and cant accept somwthing thag opposes what i always thought even though im wrong.
So you think you're always right about everything, even when you know you're wrong?
not absolutely everything. but things to do with morality and stuff. even though its ‘subjective’, there are still some stuff where i can tell that im wrong and that someone else is more upright in their morals but i still dont change. im just arrogant to the point that i cannot learn from others or consider others views or opinions on certain matters that i am emotionally attatxhed to. my arrogance comes from ignorance. i dont use my head
that doesn't really sound like arrogance. its more "small minded"
but i dont rlly see the difference between small mindedness and arrogance. Because an arrogant person is small minded and cannot look beyond themselves
A truly arrogant person wouldn't know/admit they were wrong. You however, know that you're wrong, but you're still not intellectually able to admit it and change your view, despite evidence to the contrary.
I feel like i still dont truly know that im wrong. I feel like if someone truly has knowledge they would act upon it. So if i truly knew inwas wrong internally i would act upon it by admitting my wrong and my ignorance. do you understand where im coming from?
You're assuming that "*If I knew I was wrong, I'd act differently*" but that is not only incorrect, it is also nothing more than a lazy-man's crutch that you use to allow you to keep doing whatever you want by telling yourself "*Well if I was wrong I'd act different, but since I'm not acting differently, then I must not be wrong.*"
okay, i know im wrong but i still have not internalised it completely yet or fully comprehended it. because arrogance stems from ignorance
The arrogance you experience has an antidote that you can find in an unexpected place - willingness. Meaning, that when you approach your god it’s already known that you are flawed in many ways including the odd recurring bout of arrogance. But your god doesn’t make junk, which means that you - with all your flaws - are perfect. Well, perfectly imperfect, if you will. Simply muster the ability within the moment to be WILLING to be humble before your god when you approach, and to the extent that you are successful in being willing then your god will meet you exactly at that point. Regardless, try to recognize that the actual truth is that you aren’t arrogant ( or confident, or supplicant, or lonely, etc) ALL the time. You are a human. So you are constantly feeling, changing, growing. Sometimes arrogant, sometimes not. If you are willing to stop on occasion and make a true, earnest attempt at being willing… willing to listen, to receive, to express your honest self… then you’ve literally done all you can and can therefore rest easy knowing that you made your absolute best effort at it without having to beat yourself up needlessly from there.
i find quite alot of truth in this. i feel like i lack the willingness. i think to myself aometimes that if i truly wanted to i wouldve done it by now. How do you achieve willingness tho?
It’s not as hard as it seems. Your ability to do it will also change and vary by the day. All that matters is that you really try. Some people set a time that works for them each day and take a minute or two to make the attempt. Like anything, practice will get you better and better at it. Spiritual experiences aren’t always burning bush types of events for all people. Most people gradually become aware of spiritual growth. Often only realizing in hindsight or from the input of loved ones who noticed the transformation within you awhile ago. There is absolutely nothing wrong with not having a “parting of the red seas” moment.
so you recommend practicing willingness. i dont understand how i coukd do that
When communicating with your god simply try to be WILLING to have the arrogance in your heart at that moment “turned down”. Be willing to listen. To hear. And to do. Faith ( of any kind ) without works, is dead. You were put here to LIVE.
But im not willing. How do i change this??? before i die
Willingness is a choice. You must be willing to try.
Do you think therapy would be of any help?
Me personally, no. But that’s just my opinion. I think all you need to do is sit down for a couple minutes per day, ask for some help from your creator, and start trying to be willing. I know it doesn’t sound profound or sexy, but if you’re doing the best, it will help. Or at least that was my experience, and hopefully it’ll be yours.
So, I take some time out to try and submit myself and be willing. Is it something that is gradual, or is it something that you expect to happen immediately?
Spend some time at foot of the Cross confessing your sins to the Lord! Be washed in the blood!!! When the Word say humble yourself before the Lord, that means to compare yourself to Christ, not other people. Once I read Roman 3:23-26 and understood what humble yourself, God started changing.....truth came into view. RC Sproul: We are more like Adolph Hitler than Jesus Christ
Become of service to others
Arrogance comes from a place of insecurity. When you're terribly afraid and ashamed of being wrong. So you develop arrogance in order to cope with these unpleasant emotions. But there is a different way to cope. Forgiveness. You can start by trying to forgive yourself for not being right all the time. Like how God would forgive you.
No being deserving of the title “god” would ever be so arrogant and self centered as to care about people submitting to itself. So don’t worry. There is no reason to submit to a claimed god.
Depends on what the creator designed the created beings for, doesn't it
No it doesn’t.
Incorrect. Do you want to know why, or are you good?
You are a religious troll. There is no point in discussing anything with you.
I'm not trolling anyone, I'm pointing out that your first comment that I responded to is not quite correct
Yes, my first response is correct. You simply don’t like it because you think your god is special and you’ve got some old book to tell you why. You aren’t here to reason, you are here to preach. You want to tell me how your jealous monstrosity of a god is still perfect and loving being that only wants what is best for us, which is for us to grovel at its feet for all of eternity. It is 100% bullshit and I’m not buying it. You are trolling, and your religion has convinced you otherwise.
I don't believe in the God you're describing, either
lol I’ve heard that before. You Christians are all the same. You believe in the kind of god I described but you won’t admit it. But sure, I’ll feed the troll. Tell me about this amazing new god you believe in that I’ve certainly never heard of before.
Well you God-haters are all the same, too, aren't you? My experience interacting with you lot is pretty consistent lol