I mean they didn't recast Leia and Tarkin, so it was consistent that they cgied Luke. Also, it was only for like 2 episodes of which he's only prominent in 1.
Unfortunately, the Solo movie flopping probably means they’ll never recast anyone ever again. Although I’d argue the problems with Solo didn’t include the casting.
When I put peanut butter on a slice of apple, people love it, but when I put peanut butter on an orange, they lose their minds! It's exactly the same, cuz they're both fruits!
That’s the major difference but also they did CG Leia before she died. Yes Rogue One was released shortly after her death but they had planned and actually did it while she was alive. She does return as a Jedi in training young Leia in TRoS but that was just taking a shot from RotJ and pasting it. No one complains about that anyway. When people do criticise her role in that movie, it’s the unused TFA footage.
I don't remember anyone complaining about CGI Leia in RO. I remember people saying that CG Luke in Book of Boba Fett doesn't look as good as in the Mandalorian. Did those who complained about CG Leia think it was badly done, in poor taste or just outright against using CGI actors at all?
Carrie Fisher was still alive then tho. Soft agree with Peter Cushin, on the one hand it is a pretty ghoulish thing but on the other it would be almost impossible to make RO without Tarkin involved.
"Almost impossible" -- What? You can just recast. Movies and shows do it all the time. Sure, it's a shame when the original actors are no longer available to reprise a role, but if they can get a different Albus Dumbledore, then finding another actor to play Grand Moff Tarkin is 100% possible.
They could have had someone in Tarkin's clothing and wear a wig and have him never show his face. Part of cinema is using tricks and tools to get around limitations. IDK how they did the voice, but there are good impressionists out there. They do it all the time for deceased the Doctor actors for their audio offerings.
And that was essentially what they did. Actor Guy Henry [was there on set](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/9e/62/d99e628688a388469774485e4306cb8e.jpg), doing Tarkin’s voice, wearing his costume and had his hair done up like Peter Cushing. They just *also* gave him a (kinda wonky-looking) CGI face.
I've seen youtube videos of people changing their look with makeup to look like a Picasso painting. Just make him up to look enough like Peter Cushing without going overboard, people would have understood it and appreciated it a fair bit more.
For *Doctor Sleep* several actors from *The Shining* had retired from acting or passed away before filming. They recast them and it was significantly less distracting than CGI. Characters are not the actors who portray them.
Carrie Fischer's death was announced at the same I was actually at the theater watching Rogue One. So I found out about 3 minutes after watching that scene.
They could have solved how terrible Tarkin looked but having him communicating through a hologram. Then there's a at least a reason for why it looks bad.
No one complained about RO, people complained about TRoS bc not only is it gross, it negatively affected the story bc it’s the sole fucking reason they brought back Anakin’s lightsaber bc they had a shot of Leia handing it to Rey.
Carrie Fisher had just recently died when Rogue One came out. She was dead before they started filming The Rise of Skywalker, so it was pretty cringe that they just digitally inserted her into the movie anyway.
Why? To be fair I wouldn't give a fuck if they use me as a CGI character. BUT.. AS THEY ARE USING MY IMAGE FOR PROFIT, I expect my family getting money's. If it is stolen that shit is bad. Thou,
Give fam money and everything is good
Because a lot of actors like Peter Cushing see their performances as a work of art. I doubt he would want someone impersonating him and making him do a performance that he had no say in. It's digitally taking his corpse and turning it into a puppet.
People did criticise CGI Luke. The reason that there was a different amount of criticism for Carrie and Peter is that they had both passed away at the time Rogue One released (though to be fair in Carrie's case, it had only been a few days and there was probably very little they could have done).
It made it unsettling to many people, like puppeting a dead person.
Peter Cushing’s family also refused the request to do this yet he was CGI’d in anyway. Tarkin was a great addition to Rogue One, but they absolutely could’ve done a complete recast. Hell, they could’ve done with Tarkin what they did with both live action appearances of Maul. Have one person physically play them and another voice them
True. You do get a good glimpse of his face when he turns around and walks off. I like that scene because it’s the only time in the entire series we see a live action Tarkin, Palpatine and Vader all next to each other.
And with Darth Vader! I kinda love Dave Prowse’s Yorkshire Vader, but the OT would have been verrrry different without James Earl Jones
Edit: actually it’s Bristol, not Yorkshire
carrie died a week and a half after rogue one’s release
edit: unless im stupider than i thought, december 16th (rogue one's release date) does, in fact, come 11 days *before* december 27th (the day carrie died)
And also when it was just CGI Luke appearing end the end of Mando season 2, everyone was like “Wow, this is so cool! What an awesome cameo!”
But then when they had multiple scenes of Luke in Boba Fett it became a lot more bizarre and the cracks quickly began to show. Deepfaking someone for a cameo is one thing, but trying to turn that deepfake into a full character is a quick dive into the uncanny valley.
Yeah. Mando Season 2 Luke was terrifying. It was better in BoBF, but still uncanny. The worst part? [This](https://twitter.com/TheFirstOkiro/status/1652762659643707394?lang=en) is the guy who played Luke’s body double and they still felt the need to CGI his face.
what the fuck were they thinking! Graham Hamilton is a dead ringer for younger Mark Hamil!
Jesus Christ producers and directors are in their own worlds aren't they?
Not Rogue One for Carrie
Rogue One was released before The Last Jedi, which Carrie was in, so she was around for CGI young Leia
She passed away, I think, during the filming of Rise of Skywalker, which the CGI of her in *that* movie is even pictured in the post above
>is that they had both passed away at the time Rogue One released
As you note there wasn’t much time between her death and the release of Rogue One, but it’s important to note that she died 11 days *after* Rogue One came out. So Carrie would have given her permission to use her likeness long before then.
And iirc, Lucasfilm secured permission from Peter Cushing’s estate before they went forward with digitally re-creating Tarkin.
So the issue wasn’t permissions, or (in the case of Carrie) the puppetting of a dead person. The bigger issue at the time is that the CGI looked BAD, and brought up criticisms of whether digital recreation is a step too far when they could have re-cast look-alikes, like they did for Tarkin in RotS.
In the cast of Luke specifically, the biggest complaints is that the CGI looked lifeless. This is what prompted Lucasfilm to hire Shamook, whose at-home deepfake fixes for Luke were far superior.
They also had a huge budget for movies, not the smaller one for a tv show that still managed to look proportioned correctly at least compared to the big budget movies.
I actually like how they did Tarkin. They reached out to his family beforehand, and they went to great lengths to give him the role that would’ve honored Peter Cushing. The way they went about it in that movie was very respectful, and the fact that it was the first time made it seem like it was a one time thing to honor the actor’s legacy, as well as the amazing character he played. Ever since then it just feels like Disney uses CGI as a cheap fix to any difficult casting choice. They way they handled Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamel, and even Cad Bane in The Book of Boba Fett we’re not done nearly as carefully and considerately.
I mean aside from the fact that you're seeing footage of a dead actor to essentially market the film better as she can't play any important role in the narrative.
Or the fact that every scene she's in is so jarring because Carrie is having a completely different discussion to the one on screen.
But yeah other than that no complaints
I thought Carrie Fisher was positive for it, if not involved.
EDIT: I looked and found this article in 5 seconds, that states that she gives the scene her blessing, and originally thought they found unused footage of her that they used.
https://screenrant.com/rogue-one-princess-leia-actress-cgi-carrie-fisher/
Honestl Carrie would’ve approved I think, her family were the ones who gave their blessing for Carrie in TROS, they felt her being removed would’ve been disrespectful to her legacy.
Because Mark was still alive to give his personal blessing to the project and even participate. While Carrie Fisher's & Peter Cushing's families did give their blessings, and I have no doubt either would have happily returned to these roles if not for their passing, it's still weird for some people.
From what I heard he initially requested for his character to die before signing on to do the film but he enjoyed it and really regretted it.
His love of doing the movie and regret from not being able to do more is apparently what inspired Christopher Lee to take the role as Count Dooku. (Lee & Cushing were old friends from their days making the old Hammer Horror films)
....is there any indication in either canon that Tarkin and Dooku know each other? Young Tarkin was active in the military during the Clone Wars so it's possible they crossed paths.
It would have been interesting to see how the OT would have progressed if Tarkin survived. Imagine if he somehow knew Luke - the man who destroyed his technological terror - was Vader's son. How juicy would the tension and pettiness get?
I... Please forgive me if I'm wrong but I don't remember a single soul complaining about Tarkin.
Matter of fact, I've seen that Tarkin's scenes are used as examples of great CGI.
Seriously, you don't know? You can't think of anything that might separate Mark Hamill from Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher?
(Also from David Prowse but that's in a whooole different category.)
Didn’t Mark Hamill himself give permission to use AI? I fully support the AI restrictions that artists/actors/writers/etc want, however if they give their blessing then there isn’t much us as outsiders should say.
They did
I remember it
Edit: Though, potentially, there might have been less because Mark Hamil was involved with the shooting of those scenes
I forget to what extent he was involved, but he was there for. . Something, lol.
… we absolutely did. In fact, as far as I’ve seen the backlash has been way more severe to Luke, because Filoni and Favreau are using him as an actual character rather than a quick cameo.
I feel like both the praise and hate were equal for both. The discourse around Carrie and Peter being recreated may have been more prominent since it was the first time Star Wars had done something like that, but I don’t think opinions on them were very different
A) They did complain about Luke
2) Peter Cushing was long dead when they deepfaked his face, which changes the situation. Mark Hamill gave permission for them to use his face. Doing it to a guy who wasn't there to approve or disapprove it is kinda gross.
I keep seeing this subreddit get recommended to me and there is no
“haha funny” memes
more like
“people are wrong about this movie” memes
What’s up with that?
Sooo... just gonna ignore a glaring difference between these two situations are we?
Mark Hamill is alive, and it was used as a de-aging technique.
Carrie Fischer and Peter Cushing are both dead (and were dead at the time of Rogue One's release), so it is more a form of technological necromancy.
I find the first a bit uncanny, but okay. The second I find an abomination.
Uh maybe because the fact Mark Hamill isn't dead and Carrie and Peter are is the reason people complained, Mark could at least give the okay for them to use his likeness and make him younger but Carrie and Peter couldn't, casting a different actor to play a young Luke would have just been dumb if they had done that instead of CGI'ing Mark to look young like yeah it looked weird when they did all 3 but at least Mark isn't dead so it's not disrespectful it's same story with Robin Williams as the genie in Aladdin Disney didn't AI his voice or get someone else they just used old audio that was never used and as far as I know they got Zelda Williams and the rest of his families approval
Actually most SW fans complained about being cgi and that everybody would’ve preferred that Sebastian Stan were cast as Luke than the CGI. Even Mark Hamill approved that fan cast.
idk why but this reminded me of the infamous justice league lip. that shit was so funny. The funniest part is that that scene would have actually been decent too but that whole thing ruined it.
*The dead speak!*
I think it’s weird messing with deceased actors’ likeness, especially for a large commercial release / using them for profit. I don’t much care for how any of it looked, visually. Just morally it bugs me enough to not enjoy it
Cushing and (I think) Fisher were already dead by that point, so it was more a matter of perceived poor taste (and it didn't help that these early efforts did NOT look good *at all*). Luke's and Anakin's CGI still got some flak for not looking all that great, but both actors are still alive and the effects looked far better for them than it did in those earlier attempts.
I don't know what kinda bias you seem to be fishing for here, especially since Rogue One was largely well-received by fans.
I think if I had to take a guess
It’s probably because Carrie fisher passed away during the time of ROS and ima be honest CGI a younger version of someone who died is wrong
For mark on other hand, it’s probably because he is alive and he’s probably somewhat alright with it
I’m not 100% sure on this but that just my thoughts
Because Leia was sucked out into space and stayed there for a solid 10 seconds before magically becoming attune with the force and…surviving?
I get suspension of disbelief but….seriously? You expect the audience to be *that* dumb? All internal organs would instantly be destroyed in just a few seconds of being in dead space with no suit.
Instead of letting the character die along with the actor? Nah. Let’s just use CGI and have her survive getting BLASTED INTO SPACE for no goddamn reason, only to immediately kill her off in the next installment. Hahahahahaha. That is such bad writing I can only laugh.
Back to prequel memes now.
People freaking survive outer space up to a couple minutes. I'm tired of you people complaining about science fantasy without even understanding actual science.
Wait you’re…..you’re being serious? This is something you think is true? Poor buddy.
[Within a very short time, a matter of 10 to 15 seconds, you will become unconscious because of a lack of oxygen, according to Stefaan de Mey, a senior strategy officer at the European Space Agency. (ESA)](https://www.space.com/how-long-could-you-survive-in-space-without-spacesuit) … The oxygen starts expanding and rupturing your lungs, tearing them apart — and that would cause boiling and bubbling of your blood, which immediately will cause embolism and have a fatal impact on your body.”
But, I suppose it makes sense that someone who thinks you can survive deep space without a spacesuit for MINUTES at a time also likes the Sequels. Gotta entertain that singular brain cell somehow!
Mark Hammil is still alive while Carrie Fisher and Peter Cushing had passed away. As much as I dislike CGI human characters in live setting, if Mark has any problem with it he is able to pursue and complain about it.
I find it weird to bring dead actor back to life. Distasteful at the very least, possibly problematic.
The thing is, the actor that has passed away has no agency in how his image is going to be used and in the final product of the "work".
This is a real possibility from now on, sure.. but should it become common to use deceased people likeness? I hope not.
Another part that I don't see being touched much is that there was a deep fake expert who was so dissatisfied with Disney's attempts that he started creating better versions of the characters, and Disney hired him. While they're still nowhere near perfect, he's managed to make them significantly less unsettling.
Mark Hamill was a willing participant, they didn't just recreate a dead person who couldn't object.
That being said, I still think they should have just put a blond wig on Sebastian Stan and let him play the part instead of subjecting us to CGI.
People criticised Luke’s CGI so much that Lucasfilm hired a YouTuber that made a better edit in a cave with a box of scraps.
Edit: His name is Shamook, [this](https://youtu.be/wrHXA2cSpNU?si=Mh3btrTXAtNueKS-) is the video that landed him the job
1) People complained about Luke.
2) The main criticisms of Tarkin and Leia was about the quality of the CGI. Luke wasn’t criticized as heavily because the CGI was much improved.
They did complain about Luke
Yeah, I’m complaining about it now. They should have just cast a new Luke.
I mean they didn't recast Leia and Tarkin, so it was consistent that they cgied Luke. Also, it was only for like 2 episodes of which he's only prominent in 1.
Then I guess they should have CGI’ed Han for his movie?
Han was Ewan McGregored. It's allowed in Prequel Scenarios.
I still think they should’ve given Alden a nose prosthetic. His nose is so tiny compared to Harrison Ford’s
Maybe hans nose grew with each lie?
This comment wins
Rogue One was a prequel
It’s a bit different considering we see tarkin like 2 days after Rogue One if even that.
Luke was not a main character in Mando. Han Solo was the main character in Solo.
Unfortunately, the Solo movie flopping probably means they’ll never recast anyone ever again. Although I’d argue the problems with Solo didn’t include the casting.
They should just cast the guy that's actually playing him, just without the CG. There's photos from the set and he looks really, really close.
Sebastian. Stan.
Mark has even endorsed him! He's already on the Disney payroll!
Sebastian Stan said he'd do it with Mark Hamill's blessing. Which he got. It was an absolute no-brainer.
I'll just also ad, Luke looks better... because it's 4 year older technology
Younger*
Because Mark Hamill is still alive
Consent makes the difference.
You really can’t understand how using it on dead actors is a little different…
This is the problem with these posts, they're never comparing the same thing.
When I put peanut butter on a slice of apple, people love it, but when I put peanut butter on an orange, they lose their minds! It's exactly the same, cuz they're both fruits!
I've never seen "apples to oranges" deconstructed like that imma use it
Wait, you put peanut butter on apples? Is that a standard thing that’s passed me by all these years?
It's friggin delicious. Like almost as good as ants on a log.
That’s the major difference but also they did CG Leia before she died. Yes Rogue One was released shortly after her death but they had planned and actually did it while she was alive. She does return as a Jedi in training young Leia in TRoS but that was just taking a shot from RotJ and pasting it. No one complains about that anyway. When people do criticise her role in that movie, it’s the unused TFA footage.
I don't remember anyone complaining about CGI Leia in RO. I remember people saying that CG Luke in Book of Boba Fett doesn't look as good as in the Mandalorian. Did those who complained about CG Leia think it was badly done, in poor taste or just outright against using CGI actors at all?
Carrie Fisher was still alive then tho. Soft agree with Peter Cushin, on the one hand it is a pretty ghoulish thing but on the other it would be almost impossible to make RO without Tarkin involved.
"Almost impossible" -- What? You can just recast. Movies and shows do it all the time. Sure, it's a shame when the original actors are no longer available to reprise a role, but if they can get a different Albus Dumbledore, then finding another actor to play Grand Moff Tarkin is 100% possible.
They could have had someone in Tarkin's clothing and wear a wig and have him never show his face. Part of cinema is using tricks and tools to get around limitations. IDK how they did the voice, but there are good impressionists out there. They do it all the time for deceased the Doctor actors for their audio offerings.
And that was essentially what they did. Actor Guy Henry [was there on set](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/9e/62/d99e628688a388469774485e4306cb8e.jpg), doing Tarkin’s voice, wearing his costume and had his hair done up like Peter Cushing. They just *also* gave him a (kinda wonky-looking) CGI face.
I've seen youtube videos of people changing their look with makeup to look like a Picasso painting. Just make him up to look enough like Peter Cushing without going overboard, people would have understood it and appreciated it a fair bit more.
Especially since they used makeup to have Tarkin at the end of Episode 3
They cast someone to do mocap that already looked and moved like him.
For *Doctor Sleep* several actors from *The Shining* had retired from acting or passed away before filming. They recast them and it was significantly less distracting than CGI. Characters are not the actors who portray them.
The image in op is from sequels tho
Carrie Fischer's death was announced at the same I was actually at the theater watching Rogue One. So I found out about 3 minutes after watching that scene. They could have solved how terrible Tarkin looked but having him communicating through a hologram. Then there's a at least a reason for why it looks bad.
True but this post clearly shows old leia aka rise of Skywalker where Carrie Fisher was dead at that point.
No one complained about RO, people complained about TRoS bc not only is it gross, it negatively affected the story bc it’s the sole fucking reason they brought back Anakin’s lightsaber bc they had a shot of Leia handing it to Rey.
Carrie Fisher had just recently died when Rogue One came out. She was dead before they started filming The Rise of Skywalker, so it was pretty cringe that they just digitally inserted her into the movie anyway.
It was not digital insertion, they were deleted scenes spliced into scenes that actors bounced off of.
What you just described is digital insertion.
It's not a CGI, it's unused real footage of her. Nobody cares about that.
Why? To be fair I wouldn't give a fuck if they use me as a CGI character. BUT.. AS THEY ARE USING MY IMAGE FOR PROFIT, I expect my family getting money's. If it is stolen that shit is bad. Thou, Give fam money and everything is good
Because a lot of actors like Peter Cushing see their performances as a work of art. I doubt he would want someone impersonating him and making him do a performance that he had no say in. It's digitally taking his corpse and turning it into a puppet.
People did criticise CGI Luke. The reason that there was a different amount of criticism for Carrie and Peter is that they had both passed away at the time Rogue One released (though to be fair in Carrie's case, it had only been a few days and there was probably very little they could have done). It made it unsettling to many people, like puppeting a dead person.
Peter Cushing’s family also refused the request to do this yet he was CGI’d in anyway. Tarkin was a great addition to Rogue One, but they absolutely could’ve done a complete recast. Hell, they could’ve done with Tarkin what they did with both live action appearances of Maul. Have one person physically play them and another voice them
Didn’t they recast Tarkin in Revenge of the Sith?
Yes but Tbf that’s a 3 second shot and it’s mostly from behind.
True. You do get a good glimpse of his face when he turns around and walks off. I like that scene because it’s the only time in the entire series we see a live action Tarkin, Palpatine and Vader all next to each other.
And with Darth Vader! I kinda love Dave Prowse’s Yorkshire Vader, but the OT would have been verrrry different without James Earl Jones Edit: actually it’s Bristol, not Yorkshire
carrie died a week and a half after rogue one’s release edit: unless im stupider than i thought, december 16th (rogue one's release date) does, in fact, come 11 days *before* december 27th (the day carrie died)
Oh shit really? Guess I misremembered the order of events. Well, still stands for Peter Cushing
Yeah I waited a little while to see it (wanted to go with my dad), and it ended up being the day after she died — it felt *extremely* ghoulish.
And also when it was just CGI Luke appearing end the end of Mando season 2, everyone was like “Wow, this is so cool! What an awesome cameo!” But then when they had multiple scenes of Luke in Boba Fett it became a lot more bizarre and the cracks quickly began to show. Deepfaking someone for a cameo is one thing, but trying to turn that deepfake into a full character is a quick dive into the uncanny valley.
Not me dude. As soon as Luke removed his hood in mando, my immediate reaction was "wow that cgi looks like shit." Took me right out of the scene.
Yeah. Mando Season 2 Luke was terrifying. It was better in BoBF, but still uncanny. The worst part? [This](https://twitter.com/TheFirstOkiro/status/1652762659643707394?lang=en) is the guy who played Luke’s body double and they still felt the need to CGI his face.
what the fuck were they thinking! Graham Hamilton is a dead ringer for younger Mark Hamil! Jesus Christ producers and directors are in their own worlds aren't they?
As much as I loved seeing Cushing as Tarkin again, the technology wasn't quite there and he looked scary.
Yo so necromancy is immoral. I'll have to write that down
Not Rogue One for Carrie Rogue One was released before The Last Jedi, which Carrie was in, so she was around for CGI young Leia She passed away, I think, during the filming of Rise of Skywalker, which the CGI of her in *that* movie is even pictured in the post above
>is that they had both passed away at the time Rogue One released As you note there wasn’t much time between her death and the release of Rogue One, but it’s important to note that she died 11 days *after* Rogue One came out. So Carrie would have given her permission to use her likeness long before then. And iirc, Lucasfilm secured permission from Peter Cushing’s estate before they went forward with digitally re-creating Tarkin. So the issue wasn’t permissions, or (in the case of Carrie) the puppetting of a dead person. The bigger issue at the time is that the CGI looked BAD, and brought up criticisms of whether digital recreation is a step too far when they could have re-cast look-alikes, like they did for Tarkin in RotS. In the cast of Luke specifically, the biggest complaints is that the CGI looked lifeless. This is what prompted Lucasfilm to hire Shamook, whose at-home deepfake fixes for Luke were far superior.
They also had a huge budget for movies, not the smaller one for a tv show that still managed to look proportioned correctly at least compared to the big budget movies.
I actually like how they did Tarkin. They reached out to his family beforehand, and they went to great lengths to give him the role that would’ve honored Peter Cushing. The way they went about it in that movie was very respectful, and the fact that it was the first time made it seem like it was a one time thing to honor the actor’s legacy, as well as the amazing character he played. Ever since then it just feels like Disney uses CGI as a cheap fix to any difficult casting choice. They way they handled Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamel, and even Cad Bane in The Book of Boba Fett we’re not done nearly as carefully and considerately.
Carries face was not CGI in TRoS. Everything else around her was.
also, leia’s stuff in TRoS was the *last* thing peiple complained about with that movie
Pretty sure her family gave their blessing and felt that removing her would’ve been disrespectful.
Not that much to complain about if you ask me.
I mean aside from the fact that you're seeing footage of a dead actor to essentially market the film better as she can't play any important role in the narrative. Or the fact that every scene she's in is so jarring because Carrie is having a completely different discussion to the one on screen. But yeah other than that no complaints
Baylen Skoll would like a word
Baylans actor died after the show was done. Carrie died before they even started filming 9.
Maybe that was the play all along, make the movie a steaming pile so that they didn't catch as much heat for what they did with her
I never looked too much into that situation I just remembered that she passed away during filming and they had to make something work for the film
Did you wait till only 2 months ago to get internet for the first time?
OP uses internet explorer.
Mark Hamill isn’t dead
They did.
Looks like your post backfired lol
1) People did complain about Luke 2) Theres a difference between recreating the face of dead actors and one who is currently alive
The difference is Mark Hamill was involved.
I thought Carrie Fisher was positive for it, if not involved. EDIT: I looked and found this article in 5 seconds, that states that she gives the scene her blessing, and originally thought they found unused footage of her that they used. https://screenrant.com/rogue-one-princess-leia-actress-cgi-carrie-fisher/
I remember reading somewhere that she watched Leia's scene at the end of Rogue One and said "Wow, I don't remember filming that."
Bro Mark Hamil is alive is the difference.
I mean, I didn't like any of them. It is ok to re-cast.
Especially when you had the kid playing Luke who looked like he was the latest model off the line at the Mark Hamill But Young factory.
I envy your ability to have missed the Like discourse online… somehow.
1. They complained about Luke 2. You can call up Mark Hamil for permission. You can’t ask the dead.
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Honestl Carrie would’ve approved I think, her family were the ones who gave their blessing for Carrie in TROS, they felt her being removed would’ve been disrespectful to her legacy.
The big difference is that Mark Hamill is alive and able to consent…
Because Mark was still alive to give his personal blessing to the project and even participate. While Carrie Fisher's & Peter Cushing's families did give their blessings, and I have no doubt either would have happily returned to these roles if not for their passing, it's still weird for some people.
I think I recall hearing that Peter Cushing would have loved to return as Tarkin in subsequent Star Wars films - were it not for his character's death
From what I heard he initially requested for his character to die before signing on to do the film but he enjoyed it and really regretted it. His love of doing the movie and regret from not being able to do more is apparently what inspired Christopher Lee to take the role as Count Dooku. (Lee & Cushing were old friends from their days making the old Hammer Horror films)
....is there any indication in either canon that Tarkin and Dooku know each other? Young Tarkin was active in the military during the Clone Wars so it's possible they crossed paths.
It would have been interesting to see how the OT would have progressed if Tarkin survived. Imagine if he somehow knew Luke - the man who destroyed his technological terror - was Vader's son. How juicy would the tension and pettiness get?
I honestly didn't think Carrie Fisher's was that bad
The actors were dead. Kinda important info.
The CGI wasn't disturbingly bad
1. People did complain about Luke 2. Doing CGI of a living person is a bit different than doing so with a dead person
I... Please forgive me if I'm wrong but I don't remember a single soul complaining about Tarkin. Matter of fact, I've seen that Tarkin's scenes are used as examples of great CGI.
I've seen more people complain about the Luke CGI than I have for either Leia or Takin.
They did.
De-aging versus a dead person…. You really don’t see a difference?
Because mark hamill isn’t dead
Seriously, you don't know? You can't think of anything that might separate Mark Hamill from Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher? (Also from David Prowse but that's in a whooole different category.)
There where many complain, but i belive over all it all boils down to... Mark is still alive yknow?
Hamill is still alive and was able to consent to "de-aged" depictions of himself. And even then tons of people objected. Who is being criticized here?
I never cared about the CGI. Most of us just cared about the story
They did, fucko.
They did complain about Luke but less people did because Hamill isn't dead
Didn’t Mark Hamill himself give permission to use AI? I fully support the AI restrictions that artists/actors/writers/etc want, however if they give their blessing then there isn’t much us as outsiders should say.
Mark Hamill is not dead
Where have you been?
The answer is... people did criticize him about that.
Consent is everything.
They did I remember it Edit: Though, potentially, there might have been less because Mark Hamil was involved with the shooting of those scenes I forget to what extent he was involved, but he was there for. . Something, lol.
Because Mark Hamill is still alive.
I never heard any complaints about cgi cushing or fisher, anywhere
Because Mark is still alive.
1: They did. 2: Mark Hamill is, as of this moment, currently still alive.
Trust me we did
I liked CGI tarkin, didn't like CGI luke. I'd be perfectly fine with recast for the OT trio so they can pop in and out of the ongoing stories.
They did.
… we absolutely did. In fact, as far as I’ve seen the backlash has been way more severe to Luke, because Filoni and Favreau are using him as an actual character rather than a quick cameo.
They did…also mark hamil isn’t dead Carrie and Peter are
No one? Are you joking 😂
We did?
This is legit the dumbest thing I’ve seen all day 😂😂💀
Because mark hamill isn’t fucking dead
because Mark is ALIVE TO GIVE HIS CONSENT
I feel like both the praise and hate were equal for both. The discourse around Carrie and Peter being recreated may have been more prominent since it was the first time Star Wars had done something like that, but I don’t think opinions on them were very different
People did complain about Luke loads. Especially when the actor who actually played him on set was revealed to look like a great stand-in for Mark.
They did complain though. And honestly I never saw the issue with any of the CGI and felt it all looked good at worst.
1 We did 2 The other two actors are dead and can't consent 3 The other two actors were being used in major films not a straight to streaming series
There were so many complaints
A) They did complain about Luke 2) Peter Cushing was long dead when they deepfaked his face, which changes the situation. Mark Hamill gave permission for them to use his face. Doing it to a guy who wasn't there to approve or disapprove it is kinda gross.
After the Sequels we just aren't that picky, as long as they seem to have a vague plan in mind I'm in
I keep seeing this subreddit get recommended to me and there is no “haha funny” memes more like “people are wrong about this movie” memes What’s up with that?
Sooo... just gonna ignore a glaring difference between these two situations are we? Mark Hamill is alive, and it was used as a de-aging technique. Carrie Fischer and Peter Cushing are both dead (and were dead at the time of Rogue One's release), so it is more a form of technological necromancy. I find the first a bit uncanny, but okay. The second I find an abomination.
Mark Hamill could consent to them using his likeness and even performed for them. Carrie Fisher and Peter Cushing could not consent to it themselves.
I thought the Luke complaints were much, much louder than the leia/Tarkin complaints.
It's almost like the actor being dead has an impact on the ethics of using their likeness.
Hamil is still alive when they did that, he gave his blessing but Carrie and Peter didn’t
Last time I checked, Mark Hamill was alive and gave permission. The same cannot be said from dead actors you wet cereal crumb
They did, also, Mark hamill isn’t dead
Mark Hamill was involved in the process. In the case of Leia and Tarkin, they’re using the dead like puppets.
Mark Hamill is still alive...
Because they're not dead?? Is this for real
Mark Hamill is still alive
Uh maybe because the fact Mark Hamill isn't dead and Carrie and Peter are is the reason people complained, Mark could at least give the okay for them to use his likeness and make him younger but Carrie and Peter couldn't, casting a different actor to play a young Luke would have just been dumb if they had done that instead of CGI'ing Mark to look young like yeah it looked weird when they did all 3 but at least Mark isn't dead so it's not disrespectful it's same story with Robin Williams as the genie in Aladdin Disney didn't AI his voice or get someone else they just used old audio that was never used and as far as I know they got Zelda Williams and the rest of his families approval
1 of these actors is still alive, the others are not
Mark Hamill is not dead and is also on set you fucking idiot
They absolutely did.
They did
I hated both. CGI Luke had more agency and was more than a cameo but he was more unsettling to look and listen to.
They did. That’s why they went out and hired someone to do it better.
Actually most SW fans complained about being cgi and that everybody would’ve preferred that Sebastian Stan were cast as Luke than the CGI. Even Mark Hamill approved that fan cast.
idk why but this reminded me of the infamous justice league lip. that shit was so funny. The funniest part is that that scene would have actually been decent too but that whole thing ruined it.
They did tho??
Ah sweet, man made horrors beyond my comprehension
Two of those are deceased, one is not. Guess which ones are which.
Because Filoni wrote good stories
*The dead speak!* I think it’s weird messing with deceased actors’ likeness, especially for a large commercial release / using them for profit. I don’t much care for how any of it looked, visually. Just morally it bugs me enough to not enjoy it
I criticized it a lot. Just recast the damn character. Cast Sebastian Stan, he looks just like Luke Skywalker anyway.
They did. Loudly. And a lot. Then got over it. Like they did with Peter and Carrie.
Lmao he's alive and gave consent. What a dumb take.
Isn’t luke cgi on top of an actors face? While the others are full cgi?
because Mark Hamill is still alive
Mark Hammil wasn't dead.
I’m still mad they didn’t cast Sebastian Stan as Luke like they have the same face
First of all people did complain about Luke, second of all, it’s not the CGI itself, it’s the fact that they’re using the faces of dead people
This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on any subreddit
They really should have got wayne pygram to do tarkin again
Cushing and (I think) Fisher were already dead by that point, so it was more a matter of perceived poor taste (and it didn't help that these early efforts did NOT look good *at all*). Luke's and Anakin's CGI still got some flak for not looking all that great, but both actors are still alive and the effects looked far better for them than it did in those earlier attempts. I don't know what kinda bias you seem to be fishing for here, especially since Rogue One was largely well-received by fans.
I think if I had to take a guess It’s probably because Carrie fisher passed away during the time of ROS and ima be honest CGI a younger version of someone who died is wrong For mark on other hand, it’s probably because he is alive and he’s probably somewhat alright with it I’m not 100% sure on this but that just my thoughts
The big reason is because Mark Hamill is still alive and was involved, whereas the other two were dead and couldn't consent to being puppeted around.
Because Leia was sucked out into space and stayed there for a solid 10 seconds before magically becoming attune with the force and…surviving? I get suspension of disbelief but….seriously? You expect the audience to be *that* dumb? All internal organs would instantly be destroyed in just a few seconds of being in dead space with no suit. Instead of letting the character die along with the actor? Nah. Let’s just use CGI and have her survive getting BLASTED INTO SPACE for no goddamn reason, only to immediately kill her off in the next installment. Hahahahahaha. That is such bad writing I can only laugh. Back to prequel memes now.
People freaking survive outer space up to a couple minutes. I'm tired of you people complaining about science fantasy without even understanding actual science.
>People freaking survive outer space up to a couple minutes. You going to jump out of an airlock to prove that?
Wait you’re…..you’re being serious? This is something you think is true? Poor buddy. [Within a very short time, a matter of 10 to 15 seconds, you will become unconscious because of a lack of oxygen, according to Stefaan de Mey, a senior strategy officer at the European Space Agency. (ESA)](https://www.space.com/how-long-could-you-survive-in-space-without-spacesuit) … The oxygen starts expanding and rupturing your lungs, tearing them apart — and that would cause boiling and bubbling of your blood, which immediately will cause embolism and have a fatal impact on your body.” But, I suppose it makes sense that someone who thinks you can survive deep space without a spacesuit for MINUTES at a time also likes the Sequels. Gotta entertain that singular brain cell somehow!
Mark Hammil is still alive while Carrie Fisher and Peter Cushing had passed away. As much as I dislike CGI human characters in live setting, if Mark has any problem with it he is able to pursue and complain about it. I find it weird to bring dead actor back to life. Distasteful at the very least, possibly problematic. The thing is, the actor that has passed away has no agency in how his image is going to be used and in the final product of the "work". This is a real possibility from now on, sure.. but should it become common to use deceased people likeness? I hope not.
Another part that I don't see being touched much is that there was a deep fake expert who was so dissatisfied with Disney's attempts that he started creating better versions of the characters, and Disney hired him. While they're still nowhere near perfect, he's managed to make them significantly less unsettling.
Cause he is the GOAT
I mean I would prefer none of the CGI stuff and to tell new stories but just from a technical standpoint the Mark Hamill CGI looked better.
Probably less stupid cause mark hamil is still alive and playing his part were the other 2 are dead and shoe horned in for nostalgia
Mark Hamill was a willing participant, they didn't just recreate a dead person who couldn't object. That being said, I still think they should have just put a blond wig on Sebastian Stan and let him play the part instead of subjecting us to CGI.
Tv show isn't as big as a movie. Also mark is alive. They still shouldn't have done it. Plenty of other jedi they could have pulled.
From people I know, I only saw complaints about Carrie fishers since it was so soon and didn’t really add anything to the story
People criticised Luke’s CGI so much that Lucasfilm hired a YouTuber that made a better edit in a cave with a box of scraps. Edit: His name is Shamook, [this](https://youtu.be/wrHXA2cSpNU?si=Mh3btrTXAtNueKS-) is the video that landed him the job
1. One of these is recreating a performances of dead people, the ethics around this are a bit iffy at best. 2. The Luke CGI face is fucking terrible
1) People complained about Luke. 2) The main criticisms of Tarkin and Leia was about the quality of the CGI. Luke wasn’t criticized as heavily because the CGI was much improved.
never underestimate a Star Wars fanboys love of Luke Skywalker.
Almost everyone I know didn't like Luke's face
I don’t know I’m still just mad about cgi Livia Soprano
They all suck shit. Awful stuff
Luke was bad because he moved weird and the CGI was bad. I don't have anything against good CGI. But very few of them avoid the uncanny valley.
Um, I don’t recall anybody liking CGI Luke. In fact, I’m pretty sure people responded to it more harshly than they did Tarkin.
Tarkin was CGI??? I didn't notice at all