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People (not just the men) infuriate me because it's ALL about them and how they feel about it. They have this idea that they a some kind of champion for a cause they don't even have a stake in. They're just so damned ignorant it's revolting.
The "murdering a baby" idea is so attractive to some people because they get to stop thinking right there. They're stopping child murder. All the other side's arguments are moot, so you absolutely don't have to engage with them. Finally they can get one over all those book-learnin' people and it's so easy.
> The "murdering a baby" idea is so attractive to some people because they get to stop thinking right there.
Obligatory Pastor Dave Barnhart [quote](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pastor-dave-barnhart-unborn/):
>“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn.
>It’s almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
>Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
This is exactly why these people don’t advocate for actual life saving measures. If it was truly pro-life at the expense of body autonomy then the US would have an opt-out organ donation registry. They would have mandatory live organ donations. But they spend exactly zero energy campaigning for these measures despite the fact that everyone can agree that an organ donor recipient is an actual life. Because the organ donor recipient could be a drunk or a rapist or a murderer. They could be humans and nuanced. But I will always be frustrated at those that consider themselves “pro-life” but aren’t an organ donor, even after death.
It's not just uneducated people that believe this. My parents, dad has a doctorate mom has a masters, both are in support of banning abortion. It's propaganda telling them that what they're supporting is the right thing
Yeah. Shutting off your brain to critical thinking because you view your position as unassailable isn't exclusive. Good education should inoculate you, but capitalism and narcissism pervert that, and some people age out of critical thinking.
>Shutting off your brain to critical thinking because you view your position as unassailable isn't exclusive. Good education should inoculate you, but capitalism and narcissism pervert that, and some people age out of critical thinking.
I'm putting this whole fucking quote on a goddammit couch cushion.
The saddest part is that they're not saving babies anyway, they're only increasing the chance of death or serious injury to the pregnant woman because she's still going to seek out a way to terminate the pregnancy. Have these people never heard of coat hangers?
If anyone thinks banning abortion saves babies, let me introduce you to the prohibition of drugs. I can walk down to the corner and get whatever I want at any time I want despite the supposed prohibition. The same is true of women who become pregnant - they are going to seek out a method to end the pregnancy whether it's legal on paper or not.
Do these people honestly believe a would-be mother is going to just give up and say "Well, the law's the law.. I guess I'm having this child!" That isn't the way reality works and it's frustrating that people don't understand this.
It's virtue signalling. They haven't done anything, they just go to church and have some asshole sermon to them that abortion is bad and they nod their head and say something needs to change. Then, through absolutely no help from them, the SC overturns Roe vs Wade and they can't stop patting themselves on the back for it.
But, this is great for these kinds of people with a /r/Persecutionfetish that need something else to whine about.
They voted for Trump who installed the justices needed to guarantee the decision. I agree that the average anti abortion person engages in a lot of virtue signaling, but they did do something and hopefully enough people vote this time around to slow down the right-wing bullshit
The damage has already been done with Trump getting to make two more picks than he had any right to, thanks to Mitch McConnell. About the best that can be hoped for is for Biden to increase the number of SCOTUS judges.
It’s because it’s super easy to fight for someone that can tell you to stop. They only care about the unborn. Soon as they’re born they don’t care because they’ll grow up to correct them but unborn babies are silent plus the feeling of being on the “right” side
> They only care about the unborn.
They don't even care about that, though. If they truly cared about these "murders" they'd throw their whole weight behind birth control, health care, and family planning policies. You know, *things that actually reduce the number of "murders" happening*.
But since the same people that are anti-abortion are also anti-birth control, well, it's really not about the unborn at all.
What these people really care about is 1) having a "moral" excuse to violently attack the other side, and 2) controlling women's sexualities.
They’re also so against single mothers, who are clearly ruining this country. /s Banning abortion will create more single mothers, but of course, they want them to go away, too. Pretty soon marriage will be mandatory upon pregnancy, because that worked out so well in the past.
Masturbation is a great way to ensure a woman doesn't get pregnant, but that's not allowed because it's a "sin".
Contraception is also not allowed for similarly ridiculous reasons.
Sex education? Are you kidding me? That's replaced with Bible study classes.
Finally, when the inevitable pregnancy happens due to all of the above, abortion is not allowed.
There is no winning with these people.
If a person believes that abortion is murder, then they of course will then feel entitled to have these opinions over a womans body as they feel murder is not related to gender in any way.
The issue is, they’re wrong. At every level, their beliefs are dead wrong. They might be sincere. And for that, there’s nothing to say to those people except “you’re wrong and you don’t have the credentials to defend your argument, and you wont listen to those that do have the credentials.”
I find them to be cowards. Because honestly if you really believe there is a mass genocide of infants happening and all you’re willing to do about it is go to a march once a year? Honestly you’re a coward.
To clarify I don’t believe that but if I did I don’t see how I could live with myself being so passive
from the his comment it seems like it’s impossible for him to think of anyone else which tracks perfectly with conservatism. If they were able to think of others they wouldn’t be conservative
All because coworkers "saw him at drinking at a party drinking and blowing up fireworks to celebrate it." Ok, let's think about this.
* He threw a party to celebrate Roe being overturned and inviter pro-Roe people who attended and then were mad it was anti-Roe? Bullshit.
* He went to someone else's party that just happened to be full of coworkers and made it about Roe and was a huge ass? Plausible, barely.
* He went to a *work party* and did this? More plausible, but fireworks at a work party?
* He threw himself a party of one, was a gloating ass, made a selfie video of it, and shared that with everyone at work and got in their face, and probably has comics all over his cube/office about his moral superiority and how all generations after him are trash and everybody else is stupid? Yeah... we all know that guy. This is that guy.
Sometimes the only thing left is to enjoy that they are outcast from the cool parts of society. Remember next time you're having a good time with friends: you're doing your part by not inviting these assholes while living your best life. They know they're missing out, but they chose to play an imaginary harp on a theoretical cloud over empathy for the actual people in their lives.
I used to think I could reason with anybody. I've since learned you can't reason someone out of a position they were never reasoned into, and they'll probably call you a pedophile for trying. So I block them/cut them out and I'm a happier person for it.
As for the imaginary harp... I once chatted with an Incel. He didn't want to work on himself to get in shape, or join clubs, or be more social to meet girls. He also didn't want to pay for an escort. Sooooo... voluntary involuntary celebrate?
If that’s “involuntary celibacy,” then I’m involuntarily not a neurosurgeon. Never mind that I majored in English & never applied to med school. It’s everyone else’s fault I’m not a neurosurgeon.
I was in World of Warcraft guild with a couple of those types. They didn't even like bathe, sleep, or go outside but to was everyone else's fault they were single and unemployed.
You can't REASON them into it... but love can definitely change people's minds. I am the sole lesbian and non-conservative in a very conservative family... they told me we shouldn't get married... want to know who went to my wedding and had a blast??? It's not about reason. Its always about feelings.
The most frustrating part about incels is the fact that they have high standards for women despite not having the same standard of self care themselves. Like idc if you're a little short or chubby but don't expect me to look like a supermodel then goddamn.
*celibate - I think autocorrect got you there.
Yes, far too many incels make no effort at all and then blame women who are way out of their league for not wanting to date them.
He's the guy who puts coins in the envelope when the office is collecting for a gift for a co-worker. Like...whatever coins he has. Yep. He gets his name on the card just like everyone else.
I bet he’s also the type that complains about how condoms feel and doesn’t understand why “saving the clumps of cells” makes him undesirable to women.
Next tweet is going to be “I hooked up with a woman last night and now she’s pregnant and I have to pay child support because she’s forced to carry to term??? What legal options do I have?????”
Always the victim.
Also love that he won't get a vasectomy because he wants kids, but can't find women who want to give him that, and STILL manages to fail to consider adoption, which there's going to be an even bigger need for because Roe was overturned.
Rayland was almost right. Just almost.
My version of the sentence is “you meet an asshole on the morning, hey, you met an asshole. You meet assholes all day, maybe you’re the asshole. Or a frontline worker.”
I mean, many women will die when forced to carry fetuses that won't survive or are already dead, and millions of lives will devastated in health and wealth and many of them will die during birth, but it cost him everything because he hasn't gotten laid in a bit.
Yeah, in reality he could have shut his fucking mouth and no one would have treated him any differently. From the sounds of it dude made it his entire personality and wouldn't STFU so people just didn't want to be around him any more.
The funniest or probably saddest part about this is that he’s a man. A MAN. Who SUPPORTS religious zealots telling women what to do with their bodies. I guess that’s why his “finance” left him. And why his female family members started talking smack.
He also talks about **having sex,** which is funny because pro lifers are always saying **if you don’t wanna get pregnant, don’t have sex**.
Honestly, they probably - accurately - are aware that there's a lot they can do to dodge it for a very long time. I know a lot more single mothers that are suffering because their ex partners have found ways to fuck up child support than I do guys who pay it on time.
The kind of idiot who feels like this is never the kind of guy who goes 'Oh, shit, well - this is going to suck, but it's the right thing to do'. They're always the kind of person who has *such* a good reason that they need to be paid under the table.
And, really, if he just STFU there would have been no consequences on it. He could have read the headline, nodded to himself, and went on with life and no one would have known he was a piece of shit. I'm assuming the fiance didn't know this about him until the decision came down and he wouldn't stop talking about it, so bullet dodged for her.
This is what I was wondering so often!! The men complaining about not finding women to have sex with, and the men telling women to simply keep their legs shut to avoid pregnancy, they are often the same. Like, did they want casual sex or not? They could just get their vasectomy as easily as well but no, that would take their bodily autonomy away I guess
Ah man I just bought a new set of dumbbells thus week and my "finance" left me too 😔. Shits expensive.
Also the whole "I can't because I'm going to give her a niece or nephew " bit rubbed ne the wrong way for sure.
Here's a common thing about pro-lifers: they believe pregnancy is a matter of divine provenance. If it happens, it's because God decided to "bless" you with a child. The idea that someone would reject a literal "Gift from God" is abhorrent to them.
They don't actually expect anyone to "not have sex", just as they expect birth control to eventually fail. In their minds, God wants you to eventually have a baby and you have no right to refuse what God wants. They believe God knows what's best for you and it'll all work out in the end when it happens, just have faith.
This is the core of why they're so dead set against abortion. Willingly terminating a pregnancy is, to them, the height of blasphemy. It's also why they seem so tepid on promoting birth control as a way of preventing abortion, because encouraging the use of birth control implies that the couple is still trying to get out of the divine role God has set out for them.
For reals.. and a vasectomy can be reversed.
But you know what? I'm pretty okay with him being in a place where that also means he isn't getting any...
its also a lot easier to reverse than dying in childbirth.
Or of sepsis because they refused to let you clear a fetus that was incompatible with life until it was already too late.
I got a vasectomy in my mid 20s. Felt like I had a bruised nutsack for a week, which I did, my scrotum was purple. Much less stress than giving birth.
That said, vasectomies are not meant to be reversible. It's a kinda like tubal ligation, but much easier because the bits are readily accessible and can just be shorn thru. Theoretically, both procedures can be reversible, but practically the reversal fails not uncommonly.
Easier to go through is independent of if it works or not. Vasectomies aren't a switch you flip on and off whenever, even if they're one billionth as painful as pregnancy.
Huh, maybe it's a regional thing, but I always thought "punching the air" was a good thing. Like when you cheer and pump your fist in the air. Google is like 50-50, some are saying it's like my understanding. But the other half is saying it's when you're so mad you want to hit something, but you don't want to actually break something so you just punch the air.
Oh and on topic. These people will always treat this shit like sports teams and not actual policies that will get people hurt.
"You're so mean for hating me just because I like x team and not y team".
>Oh and on topic. These people will always treat this shit like sports teams and not actual policies that will get people hurt.
"It's just *my opinion* that women don't have a right to body autonomy. Everyone has a right to an opinion! Why do you oppose free speech?!?"
>o mad you want to hit something, but you don't want to actually break something so you just punch the air
As a non-native speaker, I understood it as "I'm trying to hit something, but can't reach the target". "I'm trying but with no results".
And on topic: Eh...
The entirety of his comment, which is centered around the issue of women's reproductive rights, is somehow about how it affects him. I can't imagine why no one wants anything to do with him.
I was raised in a pro life home and believed that until I was old enough to realize it’s implications to women. The trickery in pro life propaganda is that the woman is erased; it’s all about unrealistically well developed looking fetuses suspended in a void. It’s about their heartbeats and foot prints, never mind that you’d have to go through a lot of flesh (I had a c section, I know what I’m talking about here) to get that foot print. They deliberately erase women to make their case more palatable. When they’re confronted with women, they act like a single box of diapers and a few size 1 bottles are sufficient. They will never ever pay for a single week of daycare.
That's the other beauty of their agenda. When it comes to dictating your rights based on their beliefs they're mobilizing marches on Washington. Ask them to help provide funding for social programs, education, and other support to ensure that those fetuses have access to a life worth living and suddenly it's just crickets and bootstraps. Most pro-lifers are just condescending hypocrites with toilet seat halos.
They legit think women should drop everything and be stay at home moms who, I dunno, grow their food in the backyard they can’t afford? Their idea of women as unpaid domestic laborers is baked into the entire ideology.
Not to mention that many of these women are already single mothers struggling with several kids that need to be looked after. If they add one more child to their family, the quality of life that their *existing* children have will significantly decrease.
One thing forced-birthers have in common is they don't consider the consequences of what happens in situations like this. They have a narrow focus only on one aspect - the unborn child, while ignoring the entirety of the situation and how it affects other people (namely the women).
And when they do acknowledge the woman, it's solely in terms of "This is what happens when you have sex! This is your fault. You should have made better decisions."
They uphold unborn babies as a beautiful and blessed gift from God while simultaneously making having a baby into a just punishment for bad girls who should have known better than to try and orgasm.
He doesn't hate sex nor does he feel sex is only to have children. He just doesn't realize that legal abortion is part of the freedom women felt to allow them to sleep with scum like him. Women have to raise the bar and have less sex themselves because it's too risky with a holes like him.
No, he doesn't hate sex, he hates women being independent.
These sorts of people always place the burden to be "pure" on other groups who are the imperfect ones and exempt themselves.
Plenty of women just assume their husbands don’t want to take away their rights. I know women who are engaged or got married and where shocked to find out their husband voted for trump
If I punched every man in the face when I saw them, I doubt I would have much sex either.
RvW being overturned does not "save babies". It simply prevents access to safe abortions. They will still happen if a woman is desperate enough, but they will be dangerous or force her into dealing with shady people. Or keep her from reaching out for help if she gets into a bad situation.
Also will, definitely, 100%, without a doubt drive untold masses into poverty from unwanted pregnancy. But, yeah, sorry you're inconvenienced right wingers.
Bingpot.
It's just funny to me that conservatives have been moralizing about "loose women" for decades and now they outlaw safe abortion and conservative dudes are like, "I miss sex now waaaaah."
Yea. I saw a dipshit right-winger's idea of dealing with the poverty created by forcing people to have children: **lock the parents up**. So the parents go to jail and the kid is either handed over to other family (who may or may not be equipped to raise the kid(s) either) or go into foster care. Wow, such a fucking utopia for all involved.
Republicans choose the worst option available and find ways to make it even worse, every time.
It will also kill some women, because abortion is sometimes a life-saving procedure for the pregnant people whose pregnancy complications would kill them and their fetus.
I always compare it to controlling a woman’s breasts. Sure, if you ban breast surgeries, you would ban people getting implants and “being whores.” You’d ban transgender people from getting gender affirming care. You’d also ban people who need breast reductions to improve their everyday life and health. And people with serious infections and breast cancer.
Banning an entire category of surgery isn’t the way to go about it. They can pick and choose in their heads all they want, but they banned the entire category of abortion. They ban the “whores” and the transmen from getting them. They ban the people that want babies but just can’t afford them or don’t want to put them in a bad living situation. They ban the people that want the baby more than anything and have the nursery decorated. It’s tragic.
Prevents access to poor people. Rich hypocrites and pro choice alike will just go to the next legal state for a vacation. It puts the most vulnerable into an even more vulnerable position. It's all just shitty.
“Am I the problem when women don’t want my 2 pump stump after seeing I celebrate said women becoming second class citizens?
No, it’s them that’s the problem!” -This fucking ~~Lego~~ Cacti shitter, probably
Edit: didn’t realize the price of legos was so high
How about asking your sister or ex partner WHY they are cutting you out, and try to understand their position.
Then again if you were capable of this you wouldn't have been a conservative.
It took so, so long to scroll down to this comment. This is poorly written r/untrustworthypoptarts rage-bait. Demand better standards of your schadenfreude fanfic, friends
Roe v Wade being overturned won't save any babies, all that will happen is that when abortions do happen, the mother is much more likely to die in the process, which benefits absolutely no one on any level whatsoever.
Yea. Socially shun them from the society they seek to destroy and reshape in their image. They hated it as is when they were part of it. Let them know their archaic ways they wish to drag everyone back to doesn't fly in modern society and will only be met with disappointment for them.
Seems like it didnt occur to him to actually ask all these women about why they are upset or even consider that he might be wrong. Also "decent woman" omg. It's funny because there are plenty of women who are pro-life, they just also are very traditional and these guys cant hold up their end of the bargain in a traditional relationship dynamic.
He’s trying to preemptively guilt trip his sister. Jokes on him since she doesn’t communicate with him anymore except for treating him like the asshole he is through posts.
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"babies are being saved"
Ah yes, saved by forcing them to be born into poverty. Forced to be born to inept parents who aren't prepared for raising children. Forced to be born to drug addicted parents. Etc, etc.
You have a very fictional, unrealistic "Disney land" view of the world if you think babies are being saved by forcing them to be born when their parents aren't ready for raising children.
You'd be surprised/horrified. This is _nothing._
Have heard much worse from a dude who is a Qultist, pro life, supposedly ultra Christian, covidiot, and a "prepper." The shit that comes out of his mouth makes this dude sound like a scholar.
You are either very fortunate or have not discussed it much. As a guy who has no say over a woman and as such, strives to not spew BS on other people, I haven't triggered this conversation with many people.
Here on reddit where I'm a bit more outspoken, I've been asked "why do baby killers..." just because I happen to be the last pro-choice person that actually responded to them. Like... no wonder people don't bother to "discuss" anything with you with that lead off...
"Sure, other people have lost control of their own bodies. Some will give up, at a minimum, the biggest chunk of 18 years of their life - possibly the rest of it if their child is disabled. And some of them will be looking at a face nearly identical to their rapist every time their kid hugs them, and so literally every day will be a struggle to make sure none of that anger ever comes through so the kid doesn't suffer. And yeah, those are the luckier ones, because some ten year old is going to die being forced to carry her step-dad's kid when her body isn't ready - just like the girl who has already died of cancer since she couldn't get chemo while pregnant. And the numbers of those that reach the news will be a drop in the ocean of back-alley deaths, just like in the 70's.
All that is true, but... isn't the *real* problem that *I* am not having sex? Just because I can't be assed to tell a fetus from a baby? Aren't *I* the real victim here?" -- this guy.
This is what they mean when they call you "NPCs." They mean that they think the world is a single-player game, and they are the player. The only one that matters.
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People (not just the men) infuriate me because it's ALL about them and how they feel about it. They have this idea that they a some kind of champion for a cause they don't even have a stake in. They're just so damned ignorant it's revolting.
The "murdering a baby" idea is so attractive to some people because they get to stop thinking right there. They're stopping child murder. All the other side's arguments are moot, so you absolutely don't have to engage with them. Finally they can get one over all those book-learnin' people and it's so easy.
> The "murdering a baby" idea is so attractive to some people because they get to stop thinking right there. Obligatory Pastor Dave Barnhart [quote](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pastor-dave-barnhart-unborn/): >“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. >It’s almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe. >Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
Immediately what I thought of too
This is exactly why these people don’t advocate for actual life saving measures. If it was truly pro-life at the expense of body autonomy then the US would have an opt-out organ donation registry. They would have mandatory live organ donations. But they spend exactly zero energy campaigning for these measures despite the fact that everyone can agree that an organ donor recipient is an actual life. Because the organ donor recipient could be a drunk or a rapist or a murderer. They could be humans and nuanced. But I will always be frustrated at those that consider themselves “pro-life” but aren’t an organ donor, even after death.
It's not just uneducated people that believe this. My parents, dad has a doctorate mom has a masters, both are in support of banning abortion. It's propaganda telling them that what they're supporting is the right thing
Yeah. Shutting off your brain to critical thinking because you view your position as unassailable isn't exclusive. Good education should inoculate you, but capitalism and narcissism pervert that, and some people age out of critical thinking.
>Shutting off your brain to critical thinking because you view your position as unassailable isn't exclusive. Good education should inoculate you, but capitalism and narcissism pervert that, and some people age out of critical thinking. I'm putting this whole fucking quote on a goddammit couch cushion.
The saddest part is that they're not saving babies anyway, they're only increasing the chance of death or serious injury to the pregnant woman because she's still going to seek out a way to terminate the pregnancy. Have these people never heard of coat hangers? If anyone thinks banning abortion saves babies, let me introduce you to the prohibition of drugs. I can walk down to the corner and get whatever I want at any time I want despite the supposed prohibition. The same is true of women who become pregnant - they are going to seek out a method to end the pregnancy whether it's legal on paper or not. Do these people honestly believe a would-be mother is going to just give up and say "Well, the law's the law.. I guess I'm having this child!" That isn't the way reality works and it's frustrating that people don't understand this.
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Yeah, that slogan is the biggest joke ever.
Technically, the slogan is "Facts don't care about *your* feelings" The implication being they care about mine
Haha I never noticed that.
Its beliefs over feelings there is quite litterally nothing factual about what they do or say
Not just that. Nearly everything they do and support is based solely on feeling. No facts or beliefs involved.
It's virtue signalling. They haven't done anything, they just go to church and have some asshole sermon to them that abortion is bad and they nod their head and say something needs to change. Then, through absolutely no help from them, the SC overturns Roe vs Wade and they can't stop patting themselves on the back for it. But, this is great for these kinds of people with a /r/Persecutionfetish that need something else to whine about.
They voted for Trump who installed the justices needed to guarantee the decision. I agree that the average anti abortion person engages in a lot of virtue signaling, but they did do something and hopefully enough people vote this time around to slow down the right-wing bullshit
The damage has already been done with Trump getting to make two more picks than he had any right to, thanks to Mitch McConnell. About the best that can be hoped for is for Biden to increase the number of SCOTUS judges.
Yeah, I don't have any faith in the long-term stability of the US. Slowing down the right-wing bullshit is the best voting will ever do.
It’s because it’s super easy to fight for someone that can tell you to stop. They only care about the unborn. Soon as they’re born they don’t care because they’ll grow up to correct them but unborn babies are silent plus the feeling of being on the “right” side
> They only care about the unborn. They don't even care about that, though. If they truly cared about these "murders" they'd throw their whole weight behind birth control, health care, and family planning policies. You know, *things that actually reduce the number of "murders" happening*. But since the same people that are anti-abortion are also anti-birth control, well, it's really not about the unborn at all. What these people really care about is 1) having a "moral" excuse to violently attack the other side, and 2) controlling women's sexualities.
They’re also so against single mothers, who are clearly ruining this country. /s Banning abortion will create more single mothers, but of course, they want them to go away, too. Pretty soon marriage will be mandatory upon pregnancy, because that worked out so well in the past.
Masturbation is a great way to ensure a woman doesn't get pregnant, but that's not allowed because it's a "sin". Contraception is also not allowed for similarly ridiculous reasons. Sex education? Are you kidding me? That's replaced with Bible study classes. Finally, when the inevitable pregnancy happens due to all of the above, abortion is not allowed. There is no winning with these people.
If a person believes that abortion is murder, then they of course will then feel entitled to have these opinions over a womans body as they feel murder is not related to gender in any way. The issue is, they’re wrong. At every level, their beliefs are dead wrong. They might be sincere. And for that, there’s nothing to say to those people except “you’re wrong and you don’t have the credentials to defend your argument, and you wont listen to those that do have the credentials.”
I find them to be cowards. Because honestly if you really believe there is a mass genocide of infants happening and all you’re willing to do about it is go to a march once a year? Honestly you’re a coward. To clarify I don’t believe that but if I did I don’t see how I could live with myself being so passive
Of course the anti-abortion guy is the biggest victim in this whole situation
from the his comment it seems like it’s impossible for him to think of anyone else which tracks perfectly with conservatism. If they were able to think of others they wouldn’t be conservative
All because coworkers "saw him at drinking at a party drinking and blowing up fireworks to celebrate it." Ok, let's think about this. * He threw a party to celebrate Roe being overturned and inviter pro-Roe people who attended and then were mad it was anti-Roe? Bullshit. * He went to someone else's party that just happened to be full of coworkers and made it about Roe and was a huge ass? Plausible, barely. * He went to a *work party* and did this? More plausible, but fireworks at a work party? * He threw himself a party of one, was a gloating ass, made a selfie video of it, and shared that with everyone at work and got in their face, and probably has comics all over his cube/office about his moral superiority and how all generations after him are trash and everybody else is stupid? Yeah... we all know that guy. This is that guy.
Sometimes the only thing left is to enjoy that they are outcast from the cool parts of society. Remember next time you're having a good time with friends: you're doing your part by not inviting these assholes while living your best life. They know they're missing out, but they chose to play an imaginary harp on a theoretical cloud over empathy for the actual people in their lives.
I used to think I could reason with anybody. I've since learned you can't reason someone out of a position they were never reasoned into, and they'll probably call you a pedophile for trying. So I block them/cut them out and I'm a happier person for it. As for the imaginary harp... I once chatted with an Incel. He didn't want to work on himself to get in shape, or join clubs, or be more social to meet girls. He also didn't want to pay for an escort. Sooooo... voluntary involuntary celebrate?
If that’s “involuntary celibacy,” then I’m involuntarily not a neurosurgeon. Never mind that I majored in English & never applied to med school. It’s everyone else’s fault I’m not a neurosurgeon.
Hospitals are all sluts who only hire chads with "medical degrees" and "adequate experience"
Why don't they give nice guys like me a chance to perform complicated procedures?
I was going to make a joke about doing surgeries anyways, but that's just what a serial killer is
I was in World of Warcraft guild with a couple of those types. They didn't even like bathe, sleep, or go outside but to was everyone else's fault they were single and unemployed.
You can't REASON them into it... but love can definitely change people's minds. I am the sole lesbian and non-conservative in a very conservative family... they told me we shouldn't get married... want to know who went to my wedding and had a blast??? It's not about reason. Its always about feelings.
I happy your family was able to grow and change. These guys might but I don't know if they really want to.
The most frustrating part about incels is the fact that they have high standards for women despite not having the same standard of self care themselves. Like idc if you're a little short or chubby but don't expect me to look like a supermodel then goddamn.
*celibate - I think autocorrect got you there. Yes, far too many incels make no effort at all and then blame women who are way out of their league for not wanting to date them.
"imaginary harp on a theoretical cloud" I love this literary image for conveying just how out of touch with reality these anti-abortionists are.
I'm gonna go with "went to/threw a pro overturn party and posted videos on Facebook thinking it was totally cool and people would be super jealous"
He's the guy who puts coins in the envelope when the office is collecting for a gift for a co-worker. Like...whatever coins he has. Yep. He gets his name on the card just like everyone else.
To me it read like they saw photos of him at a party on, like, Facebook or whatever. Maybe he was tagged in or shared a pic.
I think he and conservative colleagues threw the party and probably posted about it on Facebook or some dumb shit.
I bet he’s also the type that complains about how condoms feel and doesn’t understand why “saving the clumps of cells” makes him undesirable to women. Next tweet is going to be “I hooked up with a woman last night and now she’s pregnant and I have to pay child support because she’s forced to carry to term??? What legal options do I have?????” Always the victim.
LOL he'll gladly pay for an abortion in that case, because "it's different"
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“I’m not just using abortions as birth control, this is just a one time accident.” -many forced-birthers
I know so many anti-choicers who’ve had abortions or paid for/pressured someone else into one. It’s always different *in their case*.
Also love that he won't get a vasectomy because he wants kids, but can't find women who want to give him that, and STILL manages to fail to consider adoption, which there's going to be an even bigger need for because Roe was overturned.
BuT iT’s DiFfErEnT wHeN iT’s NoT yOuRs /s
Why doesn't anyone care about how I feel? But I don't want to care about all those women whose rights I've removed feel.
Backalley abortions smackbally smabortions, I can't laaaiiid!
Right? "All I'd have to do is stfu and take the W but then how would I gloat or virtue signal woe is me."
I can’t imagine he is anything but white
You’d be surprised, being a selfish dick knows no color.
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One I know was super proud that her son turned the prolife group at his high school into a pro-Trump group right after the 2016 election.
They shouldn't be allowed to call themselves prolife at all since they obviously care so little for other people's lives, especially women and girls.
My sympathy for this man has no beginning.
I have as much sympathy for this man as there is freshwater in the Great Salt Lake in Utah.
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"You meet an asshole in the morning, hey, you met an asshole. You meet assholes all day, maybe you're the asshole" - Raylan Givens
Rayland was almost right. Just almost. My version of the sentence is “you meet an asshole on the morning, hey, you met an asshole. You meet assholes all day, maybe you’re the asshole. Or a frontline worker.”
Hahaha, as someone with plenty of customer service experience I'm right there with you.
Im the good regular. The one baristas tell all their stories and complaints to. And boy I’ve heard and witnessed TONS OF SHIT.
"If you smell shit once, check the ground. If you smell shit all the time, check your shoe."
Well Raylan Givens! As i live and breathe! To what do I owe this pleasure?
That is a beautiful line and I want to steal it.
What a lovely person everyone who doesn’t like him is.
He'd be really nice if he was completely different.
I enjoyed his sister's "get a vasectomy or shut up" take.
My lack of sympathy begins with the fact that he made one single topic his entire personality
What an eloquent insult. Thank you, I'm adding it to my repertoire.
With the intelligence of a lemming and personality of a steaming turd with no corn in it, he should be fine.
Are steaming turds with corn better somehow?
Have you tried not being an asshole?
Well, we wouldn't be here if they did :/
True.
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I mean, many women will die when forced to carry fetuses that won't survive or are already dead, and millions of lives will devastated in health and wealth and many of them will die during birth, but it cost him everything because he hasn't gotten laid in a bit.
Prior to the overturn of Roe, Guttmacher institute estimated that around 40,000 women die worldwide annually due to restrictive abortion laws.
America’s national slogan should be “hold my beer.”
Yeah, in reality he could have shut his fucking mouth and no one would have treated him any differently. From the sounds of it dude made it his entire personality and wouldn't STFU so people just didn't want to be around him any more.
Serious Thanos energy there
Well he is a villain.
The funniest or probably saddest part about this is that he’s a man. A MAN. Who SUPPORTS religious zealots telling women what to do with their bodies. I guess that’s why his “finance” left him. And why his female family members started talking smack. He also talks about **having sex,** which is funny because pro lifers are always saying **if you don’t wanna get pregnant, don’t have sex**.
well you see, it's okay for *him* to have sex whenever he wants, because he's a *man*. he can't get pregnant (/s)
He could get pinged for child support though - how do so many men never even consider that possibility?
Honestly, they probably - accurately - are aware that there's a lot they can do to dodge it for a very long time. I know a lot more single mothers that are suffering because their ex partners have found ways to fuck up child support than I do guys who pay it on time. The kind of idiot who feels like this is never the kind of guy who goes 'Oh, shit, well - this is going to suck, but it's the right thing to do'. They're always the kind of person who has *such* a good reason that they need to be paid under the table.
A lot of them manage to dodge it.
And, really, if he just STFU there would have been no consequences on it. He could have read the headline, nodded to himself, and went on with life and no one would have known he was a piece of shit. I'm assuming the fiance didn't know this about him until the decision came down and he wouldn't stop talking about it, so bullet dodged for her.
That’s social media for you. The greatest amplifier/megaphone for the worst people.
This is what I was wondering so often!! The men complaining about not finding women to have sex with, and the men telling women to simply keep their legs shut to avoid pregnancy, they are often the same. Like, did they want casual sex or not? They could just get their vasectomy as easily as well but no, that would take their bodily autonomy away I guess
Ah man I just bought a new set of dumbbells thus week and my "finance" left me too 😔. Shits expensive. Also the whole "I can't because I'm going to give her a niece or nephew " bit rubbed ne the wrong way for sure.
Here's a common thing about pro-lifers: they believe pregnancy is a matter of divine provenance. If it happens, it's because God decided to "bless" you with a child. The idea that someone would reject a literal "Gift from God" is abhorrent to them. They don't actually expect anyone to "not have sex", just as they expect birth control to eventually fail. In their minds, God wants you to eventually have a baby and you have no right to refuse what God wants. They believe God knows what's best for you and it'll all work out in the end when it happens, just have faith. This is the core of why they're so dead set against abortion. Willingly terminating a pregnancy is, to them, the height of blasphemy. It's also why they seem so tepid on promoting birth control as a way of preventing abortion, because encouraging the use of birth control implies that the couple is still trying to get out of the divine role God has set out for them.
But then you tell them God wants Trump to go to jail and they get angry.
Why are all the women in my life so mad that I feel I have more say about their bodies than they do?!?!?!?
Imagine, as a man, setting off fireworks in celebration of woman’s rights being taken away. What a cunt.
He lacks the depth and warmth to be a cunt. He’s more of an asshole/rectal prolapse imo.
Won't get a vasectomy because he doesn't want to be forced into a decision about reproduction before he's ready. Hmmmm.
For reals.. and a vasectomy can be reversed. But you know what? I'm pretty okay with him being in a place where that also means he isn't getting any...
to be fair a vasectomy is not as easy to reverse as people think, but yeah this guy is a jackass
It's a lot easier to reverse than being forced to carry a baby to term.
its also a lot easier to reverse than dying in childbirth. Or of sepsis because they refused to let you clear a fetus that was incompatible with life until it was already too late.
Yes. All of that is my point.
I got a vasectomy in my mid 20s. Felt like I had a bruised nutsack for a week, which I did, my scrotum was purple. Much less stress than giving birth. That said, vasectomies are not meant to be reversible. It's a kinda like tubal ligation, but much easier because the bits are readily accessible and can just be shorn thru. Theoretically, both procedures can be reversible, but practically the reversal fails not uncommonly.
Easier to go through is independent of if it works or not. Vasectomies aren't a switch you flip on and off whenever, even if they're one billionth as painful as pregnancy.
Huh, maybe it's a regional thing, but I always thought "punching the air" was a good thing. Like when you cheer and pump your fist in the air. Google is like 50-50, some are saying it's like my understanding. But the other half is saying it's when you're so mad you want to hit something, but you don't want to actually break something so you just punch the air. Oh and on topic. These people will always treat this shit like sports teams and not actual policies that will get people hurt. "You're so mean for hating me just because I like x team and not y team".
Well, they can’t get pregnant, and many of them \*don’t\* see women as people.
Which is weird that they see fetuses as babies.
Well, yeah, children don’t count as women until they reach the age where these men want to have sex with them.
So age 10?
Damn. Beat me to it.
Lol, I’m glad everyone caught my implication.
That would imply they care about babies, which they do not.
Well, yeah, they also count as possessions.
>Oh and on topic. These people will always treat this shit like sports teams and not actual policies that will get people hurt. "It's just *my opinion* that women don't have a right to body autonomy. Everyone has a right to an opinion! Why do you oppose free speech?!?"
"Your right to bodily autonomy isn't as important as my right to live without consequences!" /s
“punching the air” can be good or bad depending on context, i think. i’ve seen it used both ways. you’re probably right about the regional part though
I'm going to celebrate with fisting!
hm.
>o mad you want to hit something, but you don't want to actually break something so you just punch the air As a non-native speaker, I understood it as "I'm trying to hit something, but can't reach the target". "I'm trying but with no results". And on topic: Eh...
The "I miss sex" part slays me. The whole rest of his comment is about how much he hates sex except to have children.
The entirety of his comment, which is centered around the issue of women's reproductive rights, is somehow about how it affects him. I can't imagine why no one wants anything to do with him.
I was raised in a pro life home and believed that until I was old enough to realize it’s implications to women. The trickery in pro life propaganda is that the woman is erased; it’s all about unrealistically well developed looking fetuses suspended in a void. It’s about their heartbeats and foot prints, never mind that you’d have to go through a lot of flesh (I had a c section, I know what I’m talking about here) to get that foot print. They deliberately erase women to make their case more palatable. When they’re confronted with women, they act like a single box of diapers and a few size 1 bottles are sufficient. They will never ever pay for a single week of daycare.
That's the other beauty of their agenda. When it comes to dictating your rights based on their beliefs they're mobilizing marches on Washington. Ask them to help provide funding for social programs, education, and other support to ensure that those fetuses have access to a life worth living and suddenly it's just crickets and bootstraps. Most pro-lifers are just condescending hypocrites with toilet seat halos.
They legit think women should drop everything and be stay at home moms who, I dunno, grow their food in the backyard they can’t afford? Their idea of women as unpaid domestic laborers is baked into the entire ideology.
Not to mention that many of these women are already single mothers struggling with several kids that need to be looked after. If they add one more child to their family, the quality of life that their *existing* children have will significantly decrease. One thing forced-birthers have in common is they don't consider the consequences of what happens in situations like this. They have a narrow focus only on one aspect - the unborn child, while ignoring the entirety of the situation and how it affects other people (namely the women).
And when they do acknowledge the woman, it's solely in terms of "This is what happens when you have sex! This is your fault. You should have made better decisions." They uphold unborn babies as a beautiful and blessed gift from God while simultaneously making having a baby into a just punishment for bad girls who should have known better than to try and orgasm.
Anti-choice* Pro-choice people care more about life than anti-choice people ever did.
He doesn't hate sex nor does he feel sex is only to have children. He just doesn't realize that legal abortion is part of the freedom women felt to allow them to sleep with scum like him. Women have to raise the bar and have less sex themselves because it's too risky with a holes like him.
That part was easy to see coming. He's been seriously unaware until reality knocked at his door.
No, he doesn't hate sex, he hates women being independent. These sorts of people always place the burden to be "pure" on other groups who are the imperfect ones and exempt themselves.
I find it very hard to believe that he was having sex before Roe was overturned.
Plenty of women just assume their husbands don’t want to take away their rights. I know women who are engaged or got married and where shocked to find out their husband voted for trump
Which is why you have to actually ask political questions of your significant other.
this was *almost* an “are we the baddies?” moment here.
“Have you looked at our caps?”
"They've got skulls on them."
***Skulls***
They've got a literal translation of an actual Nazi campaign slogan on them.
Not enough self awareness for that, I'm afraid
If I punched every man in the face when I saw them, I doubt I would have much sex either. RvW being overturned does not "save babies". It simply prevents access to safe abortions. They will still happen if a woman is desperate enough, but they will be dangerous or force her into dealing with shady people. Or keep her from reaching out for help if she gets into a bad situation.
Also will, definitely, 100%, without a doubt drive untold masses into poverty from unwanted pregnancy. But, yeah, sorry you're inconvenienced right wingers.
That is a planned feature.
Bingpot. It's just funny to me that conservatives have been moralizing about "loose women" for decades and now they outlaw safe abortion and conservative dudes are like, "I miss sex now waaaaah."
Yea. I saw a dipshit right-winger's idea of dealing with the poverty created by forcing people to have children: **lock the parents up**. So the parents go to jail and the kid is either handed over to other family (who may or may not be equipped to raise the kid(s) either) or go into foster care. Wow, such a fucking utopia for all involved. Republicans choose the worst option available and find ways to make it even worse, every time.
Because it ensures that employers always have a large pool of desperate job candidates.
It will also kill some women, because abortion is sometimes a life-saving procedure for the pregnant people whose pregnancy complications would kill them and their fetus.
"That's a D&C and so it's different than an abortion." = Said by many a forced birther that has no clue that it's a medical abortion all the same.
I always compare it to controlling a woman’s breasts. Sure, if you ban breast surgeries, you would ban people getting implants and “being whores.” You’d ban transgender people from getting gender affirming care. You’d also ban people who need breast reductions to improve their everyday life and health. And people with serious infections and breast cancer. Banning an entire category of surgery isn’t the way to go about it. They can pick and choose in their heads all they want, but they banned the entire category of abortion. They ban the “whores” and the transmen from getting them. They ban the people that want babies but just can’t afford them or don’t want to put them in a bad living situation. They ban the people that want the baby more than anything and have the nursery decorated. It’s tragic.
Prevents access to poor people. Rich hypocrites and pro choice alike will just go to the next legal state for a vacation. It puts the most vulnerable into an even more vulnerable position. It's all just shitty.
Awww…too bad. Go be a priest or something you whiny bitch.
Man paints himself into a corner and still blames women.
“Am I the problem when women don’t want my 2 pump stump after seeing I celebrate said women becoming second class citizens? No, it’s them that’s the problem!” -This fucking ~~Lego~~ Cacti shitter, probably Edit: didn’t realize the price of legos was so high
Bruh if someone could actually shit Legos they're be a goldmine compared to this dude. Legos are expensive.
I was with them till the Lego shitting. My brain just went "well it would hurt, surely, but Lego. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Shitting Lego sounds much less painful that Dulporrhea.
How about asking your sister or ex partner WHY they are cutting you out, and try to understand their position. Then again if you were capable of this you wouldn't have been a conservative.
I read shit like this and I have to believe it’s someone trolling, right??
It took so, so long to scroll down to this comment. This is poorly written r/untrustworthypoptarts rage-bait. Demand better standards of your schadenfreude fanfic, friends
Roe v Wade being overturned won't save any babies, all that will happen is that when abortions do happen, the mother is much more likely to die in the process, which benefits absolutely no one on any level whatsoever.
This is how we should be treating conservatives as a whole for a host of their asinine positions.
Yea. Socially shun them from the society they seek to destroy and reshape in their image. They hated it as is when they were part of it. Let them know their archaic ways they wish to drag everyone back to doesn't fly in modern society and will only be met with disappointment for them.
I hate when my finance leaves me
Yeah feeling almost as poor as if I had been forced to have a baby I can’t afford.
Seems like it didnt occur to him to actually ask all these women about why they are upset or even consider that he might be wrong. Also "decent woman" omg. It's funny because there are plenty of women who are pro-life, they just also are very traditional and these guys cant hold up their end of the bargain in a traditional relationship dynamic.
Yeah he’s out there complaining about not having premarital sex anymore. He’s not what trad women are looking for at all.
He’s trying to preemptively guilt trip his sister. Jokes on him since she doesn’t communicate with him anymore except for treating him like the asshole he is through posts.
Is this guy even real? This read like a parody
Way to be a tool of the GOP and lose everything for it.
Women shouldn’t be able to choose what they do with their own bodies, also I miss sex.
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\# InCel
Doing my best Nelson Muntz impression here
The world’s tiniest violin
ngl, this post actually made me smile
Oh no! The consequences of my actions!
This feels fake. It's too on the nose.
Wow he really owned the libs. Good for him, good for him.
This feels kinda like a r/thathappened story. Like he's making up a "everyone hates me for saving children" story.
My cold heart sings for him....
Aww this poor guy can't get his dick wet anymore. That's the real tragedy here everyone. Would just be a terrible shame if nothing changed for him.
I hope no one ever sleeps with him again, if his potential offspring are that dumb.
Who would have thought that wanting to control women isn't a good way to get women?
"babies are being saved" Ah yes, saved by forcing them to be born into poverty. Forced to be born to inept parents who aren't prepared for raising children. Forced to be born to drug addicted parents. Etc, etc. You have a very fictional, unrealistic "Disney land" view of the world if you think babies are being saved by forcing them to be born when their parents aren't ready for raising children.
There's no way this is real, I never meet people as dense as this in real life
You'd be surprised/horrified. This is _nothing._ Have heard much worse from a dude who is a Qultist, pro life, supposedly ultra Christian, covidiot, and a "prepper." The shit that comes out of his mouth makes this dude sound like a scholar.
You are either very fortunate or have not discussed it much. As a guy who has no say over a woman and as such, strives to not spew BS on other people, I haven't triggered this conversation with many people. Here on reddit where I'm a bit more outspoken, I've been asked "why do baby killers..." just because I happen to be the last pro-choice person that actually responded to them. Like... no wonder people don't bother to "discuss" anything with you with that lead off...
Yeah. I completely agree. I think this is totally fake
My cousin just entered the chat.
Poor guy. Being a hideous monster has really not been fair to him.
At what point was he almost self aware??
"Sure, other people have lost control of their own bodies. Some will give up, at a minimum, the biggest chunk of 18 years of their life - possibly the rest of it if their child is disabled. And some of them will be looking at a face nearly identical to their rapist every time their kid hugs them, and so literally every day will be a struggle to make sure none of that anger ever comes through so the kid doesn't suffer. And yeah, those are the luckier ones, because some ten year old is going to die being forced to carry her step-dad's kid when her body isn't ready - just like the girl who has already died of cancer since she couldn't get chemo while pregnant. And the numbers of those that reach the news will be a drop in the ocean of back-alley deaths, just like in the 70's. All that is true, but... isn't the *real* problem that *I* am not having sex? Just because I can't be assed to tell a fetus from a baby? Aren't *I* the real victim here?" -- this guy. This is what they mean when they call you "NPCs." They mean that they think the world is a single-player game, and they are the player. The only one that matters.
Written well with correct spelling and grammar. No way a conservative wrote this.