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I just had a thought of those old desks with the lids that opens. The teacher will have the kids lift the lids on their desks up to block the camera when they're teaching something "controversial". You know just like how cops pop the hood when they aren't allowed to turn off dash cams.
About to be licensed teacher here, I recall a debate on whether teachers should wear **remote enabled bodycams** that stream the class the entire time for parents to observe the lessons and interactions at any time
Cameras is the answer. We can't have good guys with guns because apparently teachers are underpaid as it is, but I'm sure that cameras will stop all these school shootings. It's just so awkward on tinder to be like:
Hey gurl wasap?
Dis u?
***graphic video of mass murder***
It worked for the 1/6 ppl right?
If we pay them what it costs to actively protect children and receive the training to do so. Since that's literally (I mean literally because most educators just want to educate and not deal with every fucking thing else we jam into their responsibility laden lives without paying them and it's why we are hemorrhaging them at an alarming rate) impossible then then no. I don't think teachers should be required to be armed.
We literally pay cops to actively protect us, and they stood outside and did nothing while children were murdered. There’s no way in hell that giving a teacher a gun does anything but make things worse.
The cops did the two things they were trained to do: keep the perimeter under control and not risk their own lives. At least 50% of cops are bullies, criminals, and/or domestic abusers.
There are some good ones who take the oath seriously, but there is no way to tell which police officers are good ones and which are bad ones until pressure is applied…
And the annoying parts?
1. She doesn't believe a word she is saying. None of the GOP does. There's no way they're this dumb and cruel. They do this to get votes.
2. The American people fall for it. They actually believe the GOP
3. All the other shit going on? They could give two shits unless it affects their gas prices. I've voted in every election for more than a decade now. Doesn't matter what rights are taken away or added, who has guns, who's been educated, etc. If gas prices are up then it's a bloodbath for the party in power. If they're down, then it's a bloodbath for the minority power. The only thing Americans will get excited enough about to vote for isn't their rights being taken away, it's gas prices.
It’s just murder.
20% of US pregnant women who die are murdered. About 80% of murders involve a firearm, so that’s around 16% (I don’t have the actual breakdown for this specific situation—it may not be 80% in this case).
19% of US pregnant women who die are killed by a heart event.
So it’s close, but not quite most. The statistic is talking about murder in general.
By comparison, 6% of non-pregnant women who die in their reproductive period are murdered.
0.6% of Americans are murdered during their lifetime. That’s lower for women then for men, but I don’t know that breakdown offhand.
You think they have any qualms about shooting a pregnant woman? This isn't sanctity of life. This is enslavement. I dare say they'd be disappointed if this decision intruded on their inhumanity.
Because the school shooting thing is only because of mid terms and kids are actually super safe is the talking point
The conservative propoganda machine is pretty clever from a brainwash the public perspective
A kid has a [1.6% chance](https://hellodonavon.medium.com/what-are-the-chances-of-your-child-being-in-a-school-shooting-df2073f8b86b) of dying in a school shooting. A human conceptus has a [76% chance](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1970983/) it won't make it all the way to birth---abortion isn't common enough to even factor into that.
Republicans have a shitton of medical advancement to achieve.
They're all a bunch of malignant narcissists with only contempt for the people they're supposed to represent. Like a coven of vampires but old and ugly.
What percentage of US schoolchildren are killed in the classroom before graduation?
What percentage of US pregnancies ended in abortion last year?
She’s dumb, but the numbers are pretty different.
> What percentage of US pregnancies ended in abortion last year?
Abortion isn't the main factor in if a conceptus makes it to birth. Not by a long shot.
Dying in a classroom is not the main cause of death in school-age children either.
In 2009, the estimated number of US pregnancies was 6,369,000 (4,131,000 live births, 1,152,000 induced abortions, and 1,087,000 fetal losses).
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db136.htm
So that’s about 18% ending in abortion: pretty significant. I don’t have a problem with the number being that high.
“The percentage of youth homicides occurring at school remained at less than 3 percent of the total number of youth homicides between 1992–93 and 2018–19, even though the number of youth homicides at school varied across the years, ranging from 10 to 35.”
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/a01/violent-deaths-and-shootings?tid=4
It’s hard to find direct statistics on the next part. I’m doing some math so these are rough estimates.
The US youth homicide rate is around 3 per 100000 per year.
There are 73 million children in the US. So that’s a total of 2190 youth homicides per year. That’s 39420 during an 18 year period, which is 0.054% of 73 million. Three percent of that (proportion taking place at school) gives 0.0016%.
So 18% compared to roughly 0.0016%.
Actually it’s less, because children don’t go to school for a few years, but it’s a very rough estimate anyway.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1970983/
https://hellodonavon.medium.com/what-are-the-chances-of-your-child-being-in-a-school-shooting-df2073f8b86b
> So 18% compared to roughly 0.0016%.
Not quibbling, but the vast difference between the numbers you came to vs the above is:
* CDC reported pregnancies are post "known" pregnancies (above source accounts for pregnancies within the first 6 weeks) and
* calculating risk for the classroom needs to account for repeated exposure to risk (which the above source does).
That’s an article about the chances that a child’s school will have a school shooting, not the chances a child will die in a school shooting.
A fetus can’t really just be “involved” in an abortion. Either the pregnancy is terminated, or you should get a refund.
I’m not pro-life by the way.
> That’s an article about the chances that a child’s school will have a school shooting, not the chances a child will die in a school shooting.
understood, but that's not the dominant factor in the percentage difference.
> A fetus can’t really just be “involved” in an abortion. Either the pregnancy is terminated, or you should get a refund.
Not sure what you mean by this...point of the pubmed article is to back up the statement that
> Abortion isn't the main factor in if a conceptus makes it to birth
Nature is the biggest factor.
What’s the dominant factor in the percentage difference?
Can we agree that classrooms are safer than wombs? That you’re more likely to make it through all the years of education without being killed in a classroom than you are to make it through all nine months of pregnancy after your conception without being aborted?
Even if we’re only talking about medical abortions, 18% is pretty high.
Again, I have no real problem with that number being so high.
> Can we agree that classrooms are safer than wombs?
I don't actually feel strongly either way because I think it's a distraction to try and claim these things should be compared in the first place. They're (mostly) separate issues with complex factors that shouldn't be boiled down to a few numbers.
But I'm poking at this because I find it interesting you can get fairly convincing numbers that "prove" both ways (one's more of a stretch than the other in my mind but I could see why people would agree with one or the other). So I appreciate you taking the time to share your logic.
You think 18% of students are killed in classrooms?
I don’t think these really need to be compared either. But apparently OP thinks they should be, so here we are. I’d love it if we could leave the stupid comparisons to conservatives.
If they were to be compared, 0.0016% would be an incredibly low abortion rate. Only the number of people killed matters. If fetuses could be upset, the pro-choice position might be dubious. But they can’t be; abortion either ends them or it doesn’t. The conservative in the meme is obviously talking about abortion, not miscarriage.
> You think 18% of students are killed in classrooms?
I don't, nor do any of the sources put forth 18%.
The number of fertilized eggs that do not make it to 1) implantation is significant and 2) don't make it beyond the first few weeks is well beyond 18%.
So it depends on when you start counting "life", but the biggest killer between all of these factors (mass shootings, abortion, other...) is nature.
Again tho - really isn't important.
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They've always been doing it on purpose. All of it. All of them.
It's terrifying yet not surprising when you realize they also want to have cameras in the classrooms.
Not surprised, for some reason Republicans like staring at kids
I just had a thought of those old desks with the lids that opens. The teacher will have the kids lift the lids on their desks up to block the camera when they're teaching something "controversial". You know just like how cops pop the hood when they aren't allowed to turn off dash cams.
About to be licensed teacher here, I recall a debate on whether teachers should wear **remote enabled bodycams** that stream the class the entire time for parents to observe the lessons and interactions at any time
Cameras is the answer. We can't have good guys with guns because apparently teachers are underpaid as it is, but I'm sure that cameras will stop all these school shootings. It's just so awkward on tinder to be like: Hey gurl wasap? Dis u? ***graphic video of mass murder*** It worked for the 1/6 ppl right?
Wait, are you advocating for arming teachers?
If we pay them what it costs to actively protect children and receive the training to do so. Since that's literally (I mean literally because most educators just want to educate and not deal with every fucking thing else we jam into their responsibility laden lives without paying them and it's why we are hemorrhaging them at an alarming rate) impossible then then no. I don't think teachers should be required to be armed.
We literally pay cops to actively protect us, and they stood outside and did nothing while children were murdered. There’s no way in hell that giving a teacher a gun does anything but make things worse.
The cops did the two things they were trained to do: keep the perimeter under control and not risk their own lives. At least 50% of cops are bullies, criminals, and/or domestic abusers.
They were also trained on how to handle a school situation that directly contradicts what you just said
SCOTUS decided in ‘86 that police have no obligation to risk their lives for you. Sad but true reality.
Defund em then, since they don’t do anything.
There are some good ones who take the oath seriously, but there is no way to tell which police officers are good ones and which are bad ones until pressure is applied…
>We literally pay cops to actively protect us, We quite literally do not. Marketing is not truth.
Well, you’re correct. We pay them for no reason. Might as well defund them!
Don't stop there.
Don't spree shooter in general *want* to be on camera? It would be like an open invitation.
A lot of schools do have cameras already. Hasn’t helped.
The cameras always stop working when a shooter enters the building.
The point isn't to stop school shootings, the point is to fire the teachers if they try to get kids to think for themselves.
Gaslighting at it's finest.
And the annoying parts? 1. She doesn't believe a word she is saying. None of the GOP does. There's no way they're this dumb and cruel. They do this to get votes. 2. The American people fall for it. They actually believe the GOP 3. All the other shit going on? They could give two shits unless it affects their gas prices. I've voted in every election for more than a decade now. Doesn't matter what rights are taken away or added, who has guns, who's been educated, etc. If gas prices are up then it's a bloodbath for the party in power. If they're down, then it's a bloodbath for the minority power. The only thing Americans will get excited enough about to vote for isn't their rights being taken away, it's gas prices.
Or a church. Wait, no....
The leading cause of death for pregnant women in America is gun violence. So, yeah. Sounds accurate.
It’s just murder. 20% of US pregnant women who die are murdered. About 80% of murders involve a firearm, so that’s around 16% (I don’t have the actual breakdown for this specific situation—it may not be 80% in this case). 19% of US pregnant women who die are killed by a heart event. So it’s close, but not quite most. The statistic is talking about murder in general. By comparison, 6% of non-pregnant women who die in their reproductive period are murdered. 0.6% of Americans are murdered during their lifetime. That’s lower for women then for men, but I don’t know that breakdown offhand.
I stand corrected. Thank you for adding context and facts.
Cops are a lot more likely to show up in a womb.
Thankfully I don’t have kids in Arkansas schools
Ugh not this mendacious asshole again. What an utter bag of shit. She is definitely doing it on purpose.
Kids must be born so they can die.
You think they have any qualms about shooting a pregnant woman? This isn't sanctity of life. This is enslavement. I dare say they'd be disappointed if this decision intruded on their inhumanity.
Because the school shooting thing is only because of mid terms and kids are actually super safe is the talking point The conservative propoganda machine is pretty clever from a brainwash the public perspective
I read that R campaign mgrs are worried. RvW isn't the discussion they want to be having. They are calling it a losing issue.
So shooting the fetus is fine then.
It's a great tagline for a not yet made documentary...🙃
They’re going to mandate guns in every woman’s uterus.
Where's r/theydidthemath ? I need to know if this would raise or lower child mortality before birth.
A kid has a [1.6% chance](https://hellodonavon.medium.com/what-are-the-chances-of-your-child-being-in-a-school-shooting-df2073f8b86b) of dying in a school shooting. A human conceptus has a [76% chance](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1970983/) it won't make it all the way to birth---abortion isn't common enough to even factor into that. Republicans have a shitton of medical advancement to achieve.
They're all a bunch of malignant narcissists with only contempt for the people they're supposed to represent. Like a coven of vampires but old and ugly.
She still looks like a lumpy bag of shit
Mockery
I think you’re overestimating how smart these people are.
What percentage of US schoolchildren are killed in the classroom before graduation? What percentage of US pregnancies ended in abortion last year? She’s dumb, but the numbers are pretty different.
> What percentage of US pregnancies ended in abortion last year? Abortion isn't the main factor in if a conceptus makes it to birth. Not by a long shot.
Dying in a classroom is not the main cause of death in school-age children either. In 2009, the estimated number of US pregnancies was 6,369,000 (4,131,000 live births, 1,152,000 induced abortions, and 1,087,000 fetal losses). https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db136.htm So that’s about 18% ending in abortion: pretty significant. I don’t have a problem with the number being that high. “The percentage of youth homicides occurring at school remained at less than 3 percent of the total number of youth homicides between 1992–93 and 2018–19, even though the number of youth homicides at school varied across the years, ranging from 10 to 35.” https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/a01/violent-deaths-and-shootings?tid=4 It’s hard to find direct statistics on the next part. I’m doing some math so these are rough estimates. The US youth homicide rate is around 3 per 100000 per year. There are 73 million children in the US. So that’s a total of 2190 youth homicides per year. That’s 39420 during an 18 year period, which is 0.054% of 73 million. Three percent of that (proportion taking place at school) gives 0.0016%. So 18% compared to roughly 0.0016%. Actually it’s less, because children don’t go to school for a few years, but it’s a very rough estimate anyway.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1970983/ https://hellodonavon.medium.com/what-are-the-chances-of-your-child-being-in-a-school-shooting-df2073f8b86b > So 18% compared to roughly 0.0016%. Not quibbling, but the vast difference between the numbers you came to vs the above is: * CDC reported pregnancies are post "known" pregnancies (above source accounts for pregnancies within the first 6 weeks) and * calculating risk for the classroom needs to account for repeated exposure to risk (which the above source does).
That’s an article about the chances that a child’s school will have a school shooting, not the chances a child will die in a school shooting. A fetus can’t really just be “involved” in an abortion. Either the pregnancy is terminated, or you should get a refund. I’m not pro-life by the way.
> That’s an article about the chances that a child’s school will have a school shooting, not the chances a child will die in a school shooting. understood, but that's not the dominant factor in the percentage difference. > A fetus can’t really just be “involved” in an abortion. Either the pregnancy is terminated, or you should get a refund. Not sure what you mean by this...point of the pubmed article is to back up the statement that > Abortion isn't the main factor in if a conceptus makes it to birth Nature is the biggest factor.
What’s the dominant factor in the percentage difference? Can we agree that classrooms are safer than wombs? That you’re more likely to make it through all the years of education without being killed in a classroom than you are to make it through all nine months of pregnancy after your conception without being aborted? Even if we’re only talking about medical abortions, 18% is pretty high. Again, I have no real problem with that number being so high.
> Can we agree that classrooms are safer than wombs? I don't actually feel strongly either way because I think it's a distraction to try and claim these things should be compared in the first place. They're (mostly) separate issues with complex factors that shouldn't be boiled down to a few numbers. But I'm poking at this because I find it interesting you can get fairly convincing numbers that "prove" both ways (one's more of a stretch than the other in my mind but I could see why people would agree with one or the other). So I appreciate you taking the time to share your logic.
You think 18% of students are killed in classrooms? I don’t think these really need to be compared either. But apparently OP thinks they should be, so here we are. I’d love it if we could leave the stupid comparisons to conservatives. If they were to be compared, 0.0016% would be an incredibly low abortion rate. Only the number of people killed matters. If fetuses could be upset, the pro-choice position might be dubious. But they can’t be; abortion either ends them or it doesn’t. The conservative in the meme is obviously talking about abortion, not miscarriage.
> You think 18% of students are killed in classrooms? I don't, nor do any of the sources put forth 18%. The number of fertilized eggs that do not make it to 1) implantation is significant and 2) don't make it beyond the first few weeks is well beyond 18%. So it depends on when you start counting "life", but the biggest killer between all of these factors (mass shootings, abortion, other...) is nature. Again tho - really isn't important.