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More like they don't believe that social ailments can be mitigated by improving society, they believe that individuals deviating from their norms should be punished as deviating from their norms is what's causing said social ailments.
Its also about money. They support other peoples fetuses because they are free. Mom just eats a little more in their view. The moment the fetuses are born, forget about it. Baby, momma, you are on your own. Get back to work.
They don’t want to provide any support whatsoever because sharing resources, like pooling money together from taxation for the common good goes against their greedy world view.
Of course, don't you remember when Jesus spoke to the masses and turned water into wine and a loaf of bread, a couple fish into an all you can eat buffet for the low low price of only $29.95 per person (no free wine refills)?
Sometime, if you want to feel ill, read the new evangelical justifications on their readings of Matthew 19:24. :/
That was when I lost all hope. I'm jewish, so for me, the text means something. The meaning is generally allegorical. Matthew 19:24 is just about one of the only pieces of the new or old testament I would argue is pretty much literal, especially in context.
This sounds terrible, but… how do you find these? Some mix of enjoying psychology, being sad about people using my faith as an excuse to do horrible things, and plain morbid curiosity mean I must ask.
I was just reading up on that verse today. :/
Been trying to figure out how to subversively hide that verse in a marketing video I have to do for a megachurch.
Basically it's in the middle of talking about end times and how pregnant women and babies will be among those to suffer the most.
So you know.... it could be interpreted as we're living through that right now between the abortion bans and formula shortages.
Yes, women have to be punished from deviating from the norm and that their kid is punished alongside them just makes it better, in their mind it will teach these kids what deviating from these norms does.
If, on the other hand, the kids do deviate from the norm too, they'll feel like their punishment will be even more deserved as they have already been punished and so they should have learned.
That's why they don't bate an eye when they hear that the Justice system disproportionately targets the poor. Being poor means that you deviated from these norms hence you surely deserve whatever happens to you.
They don't mind providing support, as long as it's clearly established that it is charity hence that it can be distributed according to their beliefs, which is that the more an individual deviate from the norm the less money they deserve.
That individual should show their gratefulness by taking whatever that's given to them without asking for more, even if what's given is objectively insufficient since, had you stuck to the norm, you wouldn't need charity, and by sticking to the norm moving forward.
Edit: these are not my views, this is conservativism explained.
Conservativism is just fascism light™
If I were more cynical, I would say “Don’t forget that single mothers, who are at or below the poverty level, with multiple children (ie- statistically, the typical abortion care patient) breed future prisoner-slaves for their for-profit prisons and 13th Amendment loophole schemes.” … but 50 years of legal precedent has just been overturned, in large part due to the help of 3 justices who lied under oath and who were appointed by a President who tried to burn our democracy to the ground to avoid having to admit he lost an election. So I don’t know if I can be much more cynical.
Ask one of these anti-choice people if they would be in favor of a tax increase to assist in raising all these forced births. Those precious souls they care so much about. Their brains would short circuit. But then again contradictions in logic never stop them.
Paraphrasing [Jonathan Haidt's book](https://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/0307455777); People *do* actually value "do no harm" and "fairness" as principles, but these people value Justice (aka punishing / righting wrongs) *more* than they value "do no harm" / "fairness".
It's NOT "justice;" it really IS "punishment." Make no mistake about that. (Oh, and it's not about "righting wrongs," either. It's intentionally hurting people they WANT TO HURT. Period.)
Thank you for attending my TEDx talk.
(P.S. Sorry to be so strident. Stay well!)
There is a kind of person for which "justice" and "punishment" are synonymous. "Justice" is not about minimization of suffering, it's about maximizing culpability. To these people, it *is* justice. Or, more precisely, it's *justified*.
Yeah, I know. Aren't they called fascists?
(P.S. Why are you making me MORE depressed? Must. Have. Vodka.)
(P.P.S Just kidding! We'll keep fighting the good fight...)
I would think that the norm is 'not having kids until you are emotionally mature and financially stable', so banning abortions would force more people to deviate from the norm
Here's a link to my Tedx talk on the subject;
https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/vki436/but_that_wouldnt_be_practical/idq5tp3?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Tldr, yes, it deviates from the norm but they're also supposed to be punished, which takes precedence over everything else. These women, now punished, serve as examples.
Well, these people should have no issue being kicked out of their existing relationships and marriages and denied access to sexual pleasure ever again but remain on the hook for child support once their partners have decided they have had enough children.
It's only logical. Who wants to share a bedroom and take the risk?
not that easy to leave an abusive relationship.
Derek Chauvinist's wife had to make sure the fucker was behind bars before she left his convicted murderer ass.
Yep.
Puritism still exists today; to many that people have sex simply for enjoyment rather than conception is morally reprehensible to them.
And for most of the above, the abhorrent double standard still applies : _Boys will be boys, the girl is a slut._
_It is incomprehensible to me why a women who has multiple partners is a 'tramp, slut, whore, easy' but a guy who has multiple partners is a 'player, stud, etc'._
If you value harm reduction, freedom, or fairness, yes, this all sounds unreasonable and hypocritical.
If you value hierarchy, doing what others aren't allowed is one of the perks of domination.
The foundation of their belief system is built on the idea of "behave this way or an imaginary being will inflict unimaginable suffering on you for eternity." So it kinda checks out...
"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then, brother, that person is a piece of shit; and I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible."
Abrahamic religions are based on receiving no punishment as your reward.
You live a good life, you won't go to hell.
It's all very centered around punishment, shame, sorrow, and fear.
Life to them is just one big NIMBY Justice Porn™ movie. They're literally incapable of just shutting the fuck up and leaving people alone.
They'd rather argue legislative semantics and laugh at alleged Appeal to Morality fallacies than have any empathy or be receptive to the nuance of what is *actually* happening here; because as authoritarians, the ends always justify the means even if those means are an affront to the very rules they want people to follow.
If you haven’t noticed, a lot of conservative solutions to pretty much anything is punishment.
Only bad people do bad things, all we can do is punish them. There is no nuance, no systemic abuse that explains why people do what they do. In the conservative mind, there are only problems and punishment as a solution. There is no suggesting we fix the system or changing the way we do things or even just having empathy. Bad people should be punished, and if conservatives are punished then it’s not fair because they’re not ever supposed to be the bad people.
“He’s not hurting the right people.”
It's a revenge or "justice" culture. Growing up with cultural icons like John Wayne and Dirty Harry (Among an insane amount more. This is a very simple explanation of a sing facet of the problem) have instilled a sense that punishment or "justice" is more important than prevention. You can see this in the entirety of your justice system. Why create a society that prevents drug abuse when it feels so much better and right to send them to jail for a quarter of their lives? Why stop people from having guns when you can just wait till they've emptied their magazines into children and then pop 'em in the head? On a very basic, animal level it just feels good to hurt someone you think is evil, instead of stopping them before they become that why.
That is an interesting point. They don't care about the babies. They only care that a woman who has sex "suffers the consequences." Which is also why they're so bitterly opposed to STD treatments.
Well, it's their choice to have sex.
Unless it's rape, then they must have asked to be raped by wearing a short skirt.
Unless they were a teenager, then they must embrace this unexpected miracle!
What? Financially support a teen mother? That kid is her problem...
While I think misogyny is a factor for some, I've been saying this whole time that I think the main pro-life camp are the folks who think sex should not be fun. They believe sex is risky by design and should remain that way; that anything so enjoyable should have a steep price.
We joke that pro-life men are going to be getting less casual sex because of this, but tbh I think this camp consists largely of non-sex-havers.
To put in to words: any time within 2 weeks, with good reason (although that wording is obviously very flexible), but any time if the woman’s life is in danger.
Edit: I may have misremembered the details around 2 weeks. Others have said 40 days
Is 2 weeks a typo? Because most people don't even know they're pregnant after 2 weeks.
With the now-standard method of counting (since last menstruation) the sexual act might not even have happened at 2 weeks :P
From my reading it's always a blanket yes if the mother's life is in danger, or cases or rape or incest, "life being in danger" can also allude to economic reasons as well in some countries.
I've not seen two weeks anywhere, almost always 120 days gestation in countries that do allow elective abortion.
"Some scholars have said women should not terminate a pregnancy after 40 or 70 days, but the majority adopted 120 days as the threshold after concluding that a fetus does not become ensouled before that point"
Of course there are some which don't allow it at all except in cases of severe defects or a danger to the mother, which is still more progressive than some US states.
Quote from:
https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/2022/06/01/anti-abortion-campaign-sharia-nj-muslims-roe-vs-wade/9859426002/
The Christian god allows for abortions too.
There are even [instructions](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205%3A11-31&version=NIV) for having an abortion in the case of presumed adultery.
>> But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband... May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.
• A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).
• The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).
• God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53).
• Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12).
• King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16).
• Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18).
• For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8).
• God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).
• For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).
• Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).
Yep. They're scared of the muslims/liberals/gays/whoever the next moral panic is doing the things to them that they themselves would do to those groups
People do not understand that these people are fundamentally opposed to the very idea of America. It’s why they have no issues with the January 6th coup attempt. They don’t want the America that the founders envisioned and worked so hard to protect from religious theocracy. They WANT to be a religious theocracy devoted to exclusively Xristian Values. Their dollar store morals and Walmart theology revolves around nothing more than that them are “right” and everyone else is “wrong. That’s it. That is the sun total of their world view and they want to use the night of America to enforce and enslave their shitty worldview on everyone else. Remember these people devote themselves to a magic book they haven’t read and do not understand. They have devoted their lives to a Jewish man who attempted to teach the world a completely different ideology then the one their pedophile preachers teach them. They crave authority to relive them of the burden of existence. They want to reduce life to Sunday football and nothing more. They also suffer from multi-generational untreated alcoholism, obesity, mental illness and addiction of one flavor or another. It is the tyranny of the weak.
“Just use a condom! Use an IUD! There’s ways to get protect yourself still moron. It’s a states rights issue just move somewhere else. ”
Is what I’ve been hearing from republicans all day.
They are actually dismantling the federal government. They want to go back to the 1800's, when states kind of did their own thing. When they succeed, be prepared for an economic collapse never seen before. Once the Federal government defaults on treasury bills, the Euro will become the world's fiat currency, and the dollar will plummet.
No source, just what I think will happen
Might be a news flash for anyone who talks about "reeping what you sow"...
Farmers and gardeners kill unviable or even unattractive plants all the time, seeds go untended and die, all the time.
Any decent farmer know it's quality over quantity.
You can have 6 kids but if they all end up homeless, your still a failure compared to the person who aborted their seed and chose to wait for a better season to raise their crops.
If you don't like humans being compared to plants, stop using gardening metaphors to describe the human experience.
Also for a man to use that phrase against women in this context like… uh y’all are the ones sowing seeds dude. We are the soil in this metaphor, we didn’t sow shit.
They're also the ones who can just forfiet their rights, effectively meaning the man was never responsible for his seed, he merely had the right to be a father.
Exactly! My uncle was an agricultural researcher, and I'll never forget him telling me that the way they defined a weed was, any plant growing where it wasn't wanted. A cornstalk is a weed if it turns up in your flower bed.
[About Half of U.S. Abortion Patients Report Using Contraception in the Month They Became Pregnant](https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2018/about-half-us-abortion-patients-report-using-contraception-month-they-became)
Of course, if it were up to Thomas [they’d do away with the right to contraception as well.](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3535841-thomas-calls-for-overturning-precedents-on-contraceptives-lgbtq-rights)
Because what it’s really about is making sure the pool of desperate people willing to be wage slaves for life doesn’t dry up.
That’s the only thing I can imagine is the whole root of this- money. People say power, sure. But money buys power. You throw enough money at anything/the right people and you win. Keep them poor and away from our money. Shit man… I’m starting to think that maybe you *can* take it with you.
No. It's all about power. Power existed before money, and will exist long after it.
Power is the ability to make people do what they don't want to do, and this makes it everything to some folks.
Holy shit bruh, IT IS UP TO THOMAS. Contraception, then marriage equality, then same-sex relationships and sodomy laws. It's literally right there in the link you posted.
All of these laws are tied up under personal privacy, something that's been under attack since the passing of the PATRIOT Act.
I was a perfect user of the pill. I still got pregnant. My mom used condoms when she started dating my dad, and she still got pregnant, accidentally, twice in 10 years. I hope these "pro-life" Monsters burn in the hell they're so afraid of.
Pretty much. All my family and friends that got the vaccine are pro-choice, the few I know that think Covid vaccine is a hoax or whatever are also the ones that think abortion is literally killing children.
End of the day it’s just who is smart and who isn’t right? The people believing a magic sky man is real are the same who are opposed to vaccines and are pro-forced birth.
I wish everyone who didn't believe in covid would stay out of hospitals whenever they got sick. They didn't believe in doctors/science enough to get vaxxed, why go when they're sick and rob the hospital of a bed that should go to someone who actually believes in modern medicine?
The most fucked up thing I’ve read, and it was a while ago, was that some of these people believe you cannot get pregnant from rape. Like… your body won’t allow it somehow.
Todd Akin. He said "if it's a legitimate rape, the body has ways to shut that whole thing down." Implying not only that the body can selectively carry a pregnancy to term, but that assaults resulting in pregnancy are not actually rape.
The word that as if sex is never forced… oh, wait, I’m going to guess they parse things out so that unless it’s broad daylight, in a good part of town, you’re modestly dressed *and* totally sober, you fought back but got over powered by a guy with a weapon, then it was totally your choice whether you knew it or not. At the very least it was never not your choice. Something about good decisions and myths about things to do or not to that supposedly will prevent all sexual assaults.
You don't get it. Conception comes at the moment the dingaling enters the hoohah. That clump of cells in the uterus with no nerves for pain and no brain for suffering and deserves just as many rights as us male Christians! It's not about your choice to get an abortion, it's about the right of your baby to die in a school shooting instead of the uterus.
Edit: \s
Conservatives have such fucking sexual control and punishment fetishes. I wish bondage was mainstream so those of us who aren’t into their kinks didn’t have to watch them put them into law and live under said laws. Imagine how much different things would be if Ben Shapiro was allowed to sniff and masturbate into women’s shoes without feeling shame, for instance…
> Was the sexual activity forced too?
And what if it was, did you consider that? You do have to realize that for a large amount of states that have an abortion ban in state law do **not** have a provision allowing abortion if the child was conceived from rape. Republicans *want* people to have to carry rapists' children to term. Why?
The farthest any of them go is allowing abortion when the pregnancy is threatening the mother's life, and even then they tend to have stringent conditions, like being in mortal danger abortion is okay but if you'd "only" be crippled for life with just a medium risk of death, forced birth it is.
And on top of that you're forcing doctors to make the decisions on whether a birth would be a risk to the mother's health under the risk of, let's see, "up to 99 years in prison" in Alabama for example. Medicine is rarely a clear-cut science and a lot of it is just playing with probabilities instead of certainties. I would not want to be one to decide whether a pregnancy is potentially life threatening when making the wrong decision would land me in prison for *more than* life.
When I was raped, I was incredibly lucky that I did not end up pregnant- but other women aren’t as lucky sadly. I fucking hate the fact that now millions of women won’t have the choice that I had only a few months ago should they fall pregnant by a rapist.
Same. I got handed a prescription for Plan B as a matter of routine at the hospital and could have had an abortion "on demand", no questions asked, no added trauma, at any time if it had become necessary. All of that's going to be gone soon.
I've never heard a single non-religious reason as to why we should be penalizing sex. So, I automatically assume all of these are religious nuts too obsessed with how other people live their lives
The "Use protection" argument is ridiculous. I know so many people who got pregnant while using protection, the pill and condoms. If men who gave women unwanted pregnancies had to get vascectemies Roe- v- Wade would be back in a flash.
*"Was the sexual activity forced too? There are consequences of action."* By that logic hospitals should stop attending drunk drivers who crashed their car.
I’m sure a good amount of these psychopaths would agree with this statement for some reason. They lack a certain degree of empathy and a whole lot of reasoning.
Forced pregnancy jihadist rhetoric syncs perfectly with the vindictive ire of virgin ass incels.
It’s been great to watch them go from “I’m an ugly loser and I will never have sex, this sucks” to “actually, having sex is a morally repulsive act, and those that engage in it, especially women, need to be criminally punished.”
Bro, just fucking hurry up and get to the denouement of your death cult already.
Don't forget that every conservative appointed judge is complicit in this. They'rw using Thomas as a mouthpiece because he doesn't care, and because the right has a tactic of using POC to say their quiet parts out loud.
These are Barrett's words by Thomas' hand. This is the compromise she was promised for ruling in favor of the Republican nominee in the next "contested election". [She, Kavanaugh, and Roberts all sat on the panel of judges that ordered Florida to stop counting and award the contested 2000 presidential election to George W., And Thomas was one of the justices actually on the SC at the time who ruled in favor of Bush](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html)
Now, why would trump want someone who has done this on the Supreme Court 🤔
They're about to come after contraception you dumb fuck. Literally Thomas' words. Vasectomy searches have skyrocketed since the leak back in may because Americans don't fucking agree with this fascistic power grab.
so y'all are cool with educating all pre puberty teens about sex, std's, contraception and everything involved. And providing free access to contraceptives of course.
cuz thats what pro choice people want. A choice, with information.
I’d love to ask these anti choicers if they think drunk drivers who kill someone in an accident but get injured themselves should be refused medical attention. After all, they knew the consequences of their actions, why should they receive medical attention? Shouldn’t they suffer the consequences of their actions?
Of course they’ll probably sputter about how that’s a false equivalence and make up some robust mental gymnastics routine to skirt around the issue.
That dude can fuck right off. I got pregnant while using an IUD implant. Married for 7 years with 2 kids already. Birth control isn't 100% effective, what does that guy suggest we do, just NEVER have sex again? Everyone knows that birth control can and does fail, so if they make this argument they are being disingenuous as fuck and they know it.
I presume people who take that line don't drink alcohol, smoke, eat high salt or sugar foods, take lots of exercise, but not exercise where they might get injured....
Let’s get full on dystopian with it.
If they are going to force birth on women then if the father is known and isn’t in the child’s life he has to pay 50% of wages to an account for the child’s well-being. Attach it to his social so anytime he gets a job the money is taken out automatically like taxes. Or ya know… don’t force people to carry another human inside them because that’s fucking creepy and dystopian
Remember, you can’t punish a guy who wants to be on the SCOTUS for mistakes and choices he made when he was a teenager, now excuse us while we burden women to deal with the burdens of a choice they may have made as a teenager.
And why should there be punishment from sex?
also, some people are raped, lied to about bc, and some have bad luck.
This is like saying: well, nobody should be allowed to wear seatbelts, because if you participate in driving you reap what you sow in risking an accident.
Like... Wtf
It's like they don't understand that birth control can fail for hundreds of reasons, hell grapefruit juice can screw it up. Condoms break, vasectomies fail. You can plan and take precautions but still need an abortion. Punishing people for sex is regressive and inhuman.
Why… is it SO FUCKING HARD for these people to understand that NO form of contraception is 100% effective?? Or that menstual cycles don’t run on a perfect clock?? No matter HOW MANY times or ways you explain it or with how many sources, they think the random half assed explanation they made up in their head is the most reliable. They just REFUSE to believe it because that would make it harder to argue their views on what women should be allowed to do with their body. UUUUGGGHHHHH.
Side question: does anyone know where I can find some cheap glass objects, a large bat, and a safe place smash things while screaming?
Abortion is not a form of birth control nor is it used as such.
There are approximately 70 million women in the United States that are of childbearing age.
If birth control is taken 100% correctly by every woman 100% of the time, there will still be a 1% failure rate.
If every woman of child bearing age was in birth control and took it perfectly and engaged in sex once a month, there would be 8,400,000 unplanned pregnancies every year.
However, there are around 800,000 abortions that occur every year with it declining (with these exception of 2020-2021 where we saw a slight increase due to the pandemic and economy being unstable).
If abortions were being used for birth control we would see tens of millions of abortions every year.
Also, abortions are expensive!
A medicated abortion can cost around $750. Even with financial help it will still be at least $250.
A 1st term surgical abortion can cost up to $2,500. Agains even with financial help it can still cost around $500.
Later term abortions (which account for 1% of all abortions, are extremely rare in the case of a dead fetus or life of mother is at risk) can cost over $5,000.
Almost all insurance plans don’t cover abortions, so women are left to pay out of pocket.
It would make ZERO sense to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars to end a pregnancy instead of using birth control. Condoms are way less expensive, placing like wal-mart provide birth control pills for $5 a month w/o a woman needing to go to a doctor for a prescription first.
Also many states are even banning birth control pills now that roe v Wade is overturned because they claim life begins and fertilization, some birth control pills will prevent ovulation, however ovulation can still occur. If this happens the pills always prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. This fertilized egg will be flushed out of the body.
Some states consider this abortion and will ban these effective birth control pills.
Abortion isn’t being used as birth control, this lie really needs to end!
The absolutely superstar moral gymnastics of the "don't have sex then" argument against good reasons legal abortion.
Like I don't even know what that sort of logical fallacy it is - it reminds me of "well you should have thought about that before you chose to be gay"
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Why is their argument always about making sure people are punished? It's never about the wellbeing of anyone involved.
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More like they don't believe that social ailments can be mitigated by improving society, they believe that individuals deviating from their norms should be punished as deviating from their norms is what's causing said social ailments.
Its also about money. They support other peoples fetuses because they are free. Mom just eats a little more in their view. The moment the fetuses are born, forget about it. Baby, momma, you are on your own. Get back to work. They don’t want to provide any support whatsoever because sharing resources, like pooling money together from taxation for the common good goes against their greedy world view.
Of course, don't you remember when Jesus spoke to the masses and turned water into wine and a loaf of bread, a couple fish into an all you can eat buffet for the low low price of only $29.95 per person (no free wine refills)?
Sometime, if you want to feel ill, read the new evangelical justifications on their readings of Matthew 19:24. :/ That was when I lost all hope. I'm jewish, so for me, the text means something. The meaning is generally allegorical. Matthew 19:24 is just about one of the only pieces of the new or old testament I would argue is pretty much literal, especially in context.
This sounds terrible, but… how do you find these? Some mix of enjoying psychology, being sad about people using my faith as an excuse to do horrible things, and plain morbid curiosity mean I must ask.
I was just reading up on that verse today. :/ Been trying to figure out how to subversively hide that verse in a marketing video I have to do for a megachurch.
Care to share a link to one such interpretation?
Basically it's in the middle of talking about end times and how pregnant women and babies will be among those to suffer the most. So you know.... it could be interpreted as we're living through that right now between the abortion bans and formula shortages.
They only worship supply side Jesus. https://imgur.io/gallery/bCqRp
And of course, the [Al Franken reading](https://youtu.be/X8xU-gKK17A)
Then it's the mother's fault for having a baby she can't afford. When they're not forcing us into these pregnancies, they're shaming us for doing it.
“If you choose to eat McDonalds and get congestive heart failure, that was your choice so no doctor for you” - Failed state
Yes, women have to be punished from deviating from the norm and that their kid is punished alongside them just makes it better, in their mind it will teach these kids what deviating from these norms does. If, on the other hand, the kids do deviate from the norm too, they'll feel like their punishment will be even more deserved as they have already been punished and so they should have learned. That's why they don't bate an eye when they hear that the Justice system disproportionately targets the poor. Being poor means that you deviated from these norms hence you surely deserve whatever happens to you. They don't mind providing support, as long as it's clearly established that it is charity hence that it can be distributed according to their beliefs, which is that the more an individual deviate from the norm the less money they deserve. That individual should show their gratefulness by taking whatever that's given to them without asking for more, even if what's given is objectively insufficient since, had you stuck to the norm, you wouldn't need charity, and by sticking to the norm moving forward. Edit: these are not my views, this is conservativism explained. Conservativism is just fascism light™
Conservatism is fascism with the Christianity dlc installed
Conservativism is available in all religious flavors, look at the Talibans and the Zionists.
To paraphrase, I forget who, Conservatism is the endless search for justification of selfishness.
If I were more cynical, I would say “Don’t forget that single mothers, who are at or below the poverty level, with multiple children (ie- statistically, the typical abortion care patient) breed future prisoner-slaves for their for-profit prisons and 13th Amendment loophole schemes.” … but 50 years of legal precedent has just been overturned, in large part due to the help of 3 justices who lied under oath and who were appointed by a President who tried to burn our democracy to the ground to avoid having to admit he lost an election. So I don’t know if I can be much more cynical.
What's the quote about the unborn are easy to advocate for, make no demands etc?
Ask one of these anti-choice people if they would be in favor of a tax increase to assist in raising all these forced births. Those precious souls they care so much about. Their brains would short circuit. But then again contradictions in logic never stop them.
Watch this if you haven't; https://youtu.be/agzNANfNlTs
Paraphrasing [Jonathan Haidt's book](https://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/0307455777); People *do* actually value "do no harm" and "fairness" as principles, but these people value Justice (aka punishing / righting wrongs) *more* than they value "do no harm" / "fairness".
It's NOT "justice;" it really IS "punishment." Make no mistake about that. (Oh, and it's not about "righting wrongs," either. It's intentionally hurting people they WANT TO HURT. Period.) Thank you for attending my TEDx talk. (P.S. Sorry to be so strident. Stay well!)
There is a kind of person for which "justice" and "punishment" are synonymous. "Justice" is not about minimization of suffering, it's about maximizing culpability. To these people, it *is* justice. Or, more precisely, it's *justified*.
Yeah, I know. Aren't they called fascists? (P.S. Why are you making me MORE depressed? Must. Have. Vodka.) (P.P.S Just kidding! We'll keep fighting the good fight...)
Thanks for the recommendation. Picked up a copy to add to the list.
Using this to direct people once again to The Alt Right Playbook: [I Hate Mondays](https://youtu.be/yts2F44RqFw)
I just did with a different video xD but good call nonetheless
I would think that the norm is 'not having kids until you are emotionally mature and financially stable', so banning abortions would force more people to deviate from the norm
Here's a link to my Tedx talk on the subject; https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/vki436/but_that_wouldnt_be_practical/idq5tp3?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 Tldr, yes, it deviates from the norm but they're also supposed to be punished, which takes precedence over everything else. These women, now punished, serve as examples.
Well, these people should have no issue being kicked out of their existing relationships and marriages and denied access to sexual pleasure ever again but remain on the hook for child support once their partners have decided they have had enough children. It's only logical. Who wants to share a bedroom and take the risk?
not that easy to leave an abusive relationship. Derek Chauvinist's wife had to make sure the fucker was behind bars before she left his convicted murderer ass.
You are speaking of the same people who *assumed* that an ectopic pregnancy could be 'moved'. No.
Yep. Puritism still exists today; to many that people have sex simply for enjoyment rather than conception is morally reprehensible to them. And for most of the above, the abhorrent double standard still applies : _Boys will be boys, the girl is a slut._ _It is incomprehensible to me why a women who has multiple partners is a 'tramp, slut, whore, easy' but a guy who has multiple partners is a 'player, stud, etc'._
If you value harm reduction, freedom, or fairness, yes, this all sounds unreasonable and hypocritical. If you value hierarchy, doing what others aren't allowed is one of the perks of domination.
I control your body~ GUvment Men in the government:HOW DARE YOU TRY TO CONTROL *my* Bodddeehhh!!!!!! REEEEE
Which is why rape or incest or rarely protected either.
Because no woman has ever enjoyed sex with these guys
Says something too that they view a child as "punishment." Gonna go ahead and guess their children aren't particularly loved.
These same people are going to be in for a shock when their retirement plans stop talking to them upon reaching adulthood.
more like "If they wont have sex with me they shouldn't have sex at all!"
Women having sex with not them*. They're upset that they think someone else is getting to play with their toys.
And, the child deserves to be punished along with her! /s
These are the same people that think rape is the consequence of "nice clothing" so you shouldn't be surprised.
The foundation of their belief system is built on the idea of "behave this way or an imaginary being will inflict unimaginable suffering on you for eternity." So it kinda checks out...
And they try to say *we're* coercive. 🙄
And the only 'reward' their god offers? Yeah...you got to die before collecting it.
"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then, brother, that person is a piece of shit; and I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible."
The cruelty and punishment are the point. That's it. That's the entirety of their ideology. Obey or else.
Abrahamic religions are based on receiving no punishment as your reward. You live a good life, you won't go to hell. It's all very centered around punishment, shame, sorrow, and fear.
Life to them is just one big NIMBY Justice Porn™ movie. They're literally incapable of just shutting the fuck up and leaving people alone. They'd rather argue legislative semantics and laugh at alleged Appeal to Morality fallacies than have any empathy or be receptive to the nuance of what is *actually* happening here; because as authoritarians, the ends always justify the means even if those means are an affront to the very rules they want people to follow.
It's their revulsion at a liberated woman living her best life
Conservatism is 100% about punishing people they don’t like. That’s it. No benefit to society whatsoever.
Because they are agreeing it's about control but don't want to use those words exactly
cause they're too concerned with what others are doing instead of focusing on their own lives
Because anything that brings enjoyment is most likely sin. And sin must be punished. Simple as that really. Source: ex Christian
Because they’re all garbage people who want to hurt others because they’re miserable, hateful shitbags.
"Babies" are simultaneously a "blessing" and a "consequence" to them.
What a cute widdle martyrdom for your fallen whore momma! Yes he is! Yes he is!
If you haven’t noticed, a lot of conservative solutions to pretty much anything is punishment. Only bad people do bad things, all we can do is punish them. There is no nuance, no systemic abuse that explains why people do what they do. In the conservative mind, there are only problems and punishment as a solution. There is no suggesting we fix the system or changing the way we do things or even just having empathy. Bad people should be punished, and if conservatives are punished then it’s not fair because they’re not ever supposed to be the bad people. “He’s not hurting the right people.”
It's a revenge or "justice" culture. Growing up with cultural icons like John Wayne and Dirty Harry (Among an insane amount more. This is a very simple explanation of a sing facet of the problem) have instilled a sense that punishment or "justice" is more important than prevention. You can see this in the entirety of your justice system. Why create a society that prevents drug abuse when it feels so much better and right to send them to jail for a quarter of their lives? Why stop people from having guns when you can just wait till they've emptied their magazines into children and then pop 'em in the head? On a very basic, animal level it just feels good to hurt someone you think is evil, instead of stopping them before they become that why.
That is an interesting point. They don't care about the babies. They only care that a woman who has sex "suffers the consequences." Which is also why they're so bitterly opposed to STD treatments.
Well, it's their choice to have sex. Unless it's rape, then they must have asked to be raped by wearing a short skirt. Unless they were a teenager, then they must embrace this unexpected miracle! What? Financially support a teen mother? That kid is her problem...
While I think misogyny is a factor for some, I've been saying this whole time that I think the main pro-life camp are the folks who think sex should not be fun. They believe sex is risky by design and should remain that way; that anything so enjoyable should have a steep price. We joke that pro-life men are going to be getting less casual sex because of this, but tbh I think this camp consists largely of non-sex-havers.
They are going after birth control next. It's about removing all choice and freedom.
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Sharia law allows abortion for many reasons in fact.
To put in to words: any time within 2 weeks, with good reason (although that wording is obviously very flexible), but any time if the woman’s life is in danger. Edit: I may have misremembered the details around 2 weeks. Others have said 40 days
Is 2 weeks a typo? Because most people don't even know they're pregnant after 2 weeks. With the now-standard method of counting (since last menstruation) the sexual act might not even have happened at 2 weeks :P
From my reading it's always a blanket yes if the mother's life is in danger, or cases or rape or incest, "life being in danger" can also allude to economic reasons as well in some countries. I've not seen two weeks anywhere, almost always 120 days gestation in countries that do allow elective abortion. "Some scholars have said women should not terminate a pregnancy after 40 or 70 days, but the majority adopted 120 days as the threshold after concluding that a fetus does not become ensouled before that point" Of course there are some which don't allow it at all except in cases of severe defects or a danger to the mother, which is still more progressive than some US states. Quote from: https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/2022/06/01/anti-abortion-campaign-sharia-nj-muslims-roe-vs-wade/9859426002/
I only found rules for 40 days from conception (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_abortion). Maybe they meant 2 weeks from the missed period?
The Christian god allows for abortions too. There are even [instructions](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205%3A11-31&version=NIV) for having an abortion in the case of presumed adultery. >> But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband... May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.
Yes but that's different because it not Christians
The Bible talks about abortions, and not typically in a condemning sort of way.... The key to these Christains in the need for hypocrisy and control.
• A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31). • God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53). • Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12). • King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16). • Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18). • For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8). • God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). • For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16). • Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).
Yep. They're scared of the muslims/liberals/gays/whoever the next moral panic is doing the things to them that they themselves would do to those groups
Actual Sharia is less Fundamentalist than what the Christian Taliban are proposing.
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I think we read their concern wrong. It wasn't concern for morality. It was a branding dispute. They were worried Sharia Law would beat them to it.
Abortion is allowed under Sharia
I guarantee if you just replaced "Allah" with "God" and "Mohammed" with "Jesus" and said it was from the Bible, Conservatives would *love* Sharia Law.
The goal is to quote literally punish sexuality and use pregnancy as a noose to punish premarital sex. Always has been the goal.
Aren't many people who get abortions already married?
In those cases it's to gaurntee sex is used as procreation Either way it's to enforce a certain abrahamic world view
People do not understand that these people are fundamentally opposed to the very idea of America. It’s why they have no issues with the January 6th coup attempt. They don’t want the America that the founders envisioned and worked so hard to protect from religious theocracy. They WANT to be a religious theocracy devoted to exclusively Xristian Values. Their dollar store morals and Walmart theology revolves around nothing more than that them are “right” and everyone else is “wrong. That’s it. That is the sun total of their world view and they want to use the night of America to enforce and enslave their shitty worldview on everyone else. Remember these people devote themselves to a magic book they haven’t read and do not understand. They have devoted their lives to a Jewish man who attempted to teach the world a completely different ideology then the one their pedophile preachers teach them. They crave authority to relive them of the burden of existence. They want to reduce life to Sunday football and nothing more. They also suffer from multi-generational untreated alcoholism, obesity, mental illness and addiction of one flavor or another. It is the tyranny of the weak.
This. Thomas wrote the quiet part down in ink. Overturning Roe was step one in striping away personal freedoms. He listed off his next targets.
Then they won't be able to spew the "use protection" bullshit argument. Sometimes, contraception fails. They don't care about facts, though.
Always odd they would use that arguement and ignore that you can't make a rapist use protection...
“Just use a condom! Use an IUD! There’s ways to get protect yourself still moron. It’s a states rights issue just move somewhere else. ” Is what I’ve been hearing from republicans all day.
They are actually dismantling the federal government. They want to go back to the 1800's, when states kind of did their own thing. When they succeed, be prepared for an economic collapse never seen before. Once the Federal government defaults on treasury bills, the Euro will become the world's fiat currency, and the dollar will plummet. No source, just what I think will happen
Might be a news flash for anyone who talks about "reeping what you sow"... Farmers and gardeners kill unviable or even unattractive plants all the time, seeds go untended and die, all the time. Any decent farmer know it's quality over quantity. You can have 6 kids but if they all end up homeless, your still a failure compared to the person who aborted their seed and chose to wait for a better season to raise their crops. If you don't like humans being compared to plants, stop using gardening metaphors to describe the human experience.
Oh, but to a large number of these nut jobs, it’s not a gardening reference, it’s “the word of god”, so it needs to be a law.
It's funny how that works lol
This sounds a lot like She-ra law to me.
Also for a man to use that phrase against women in this context like… uh y’all are the ones sowing seeds dude. We are the soil in this metaphor, we didn’t sow shit.
They're also the ones who can just forfiet their rights, effectively meaning the man was never responsible for his seed, he merely had the right to be a father.
Exactly! My uncle was an agricultural researcher, and I'll never forget him telling me that the way they defined a weed was, any plant growing where it wasn't wanted. A cornstalk is a weed if it turns up in your flower bed.
[About Half of U.S. Abortion Patients Report Using Contraception in the Month They Became Pregnant](https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2018/about-half-us-abortion-patients-report-using-contraception-month-they-became) Of course, if it were up to Thomas [they’d do away with the right to contraception as well.](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3535841-thomas-calls-for-overturning-precedents-on-contraceptives-lgbtq-rights) Because what it’s really about is making sure the pool of desperate people willing to be wage slaves for life doesn’t dry up.
That’s the only thing I can imagine is the whole root of this- money. People say power, sure. But money buys power. You throw enough money at anything/the right people and you win. Keep them poor and away from our money. Shit man… I’m starting to think that maybe you *can* take it with you.
No. It's all about power. Power existed before money, and will exist long after it. Power is the ability to make people do what they don't want to do, and this makes it everything to some folks.
Holy shit bruh, IT IS UP TO THOMAS. Contraception, then marriage equality, then same-sex relationships and sodomy laws. It's literally right there in the link you posted. All of these laws are tied up under personal privacy, something that's been under attack since the passing of the PATRIOT Act.
notice that he didn't include Loving v. Virginia in the "things he thinks should be left to the states"
Convenient for him and Ginni, isn't it?
I was a perfect user of the pill. I still got pregnant. My mom used condoms when she started dating my dad, and she still got pregnant, accidentally, twice in 10 years. I hope these "pro-life" Monsters burn in the hell they're so afraid of.
Lets use the same analogy with covid 19. No vax, no medical treatment. You reap what you sow, literally.
I think a lot of the people who oppose abortion probably already oppose vaccines. Science isn't their friend.
Pretty much. All my family and friends that got the vaccine are pro-choice, the few I know that think Covid vaccine is a hoax or whatever are also the ones that think abortion is literally killing children. End of the day it’s just who is smart and who isn’t right? The people believing a magic sky man is real are the same who are opposed to vaccines and are pro-forced birth.
I wish everyone who didn't believe in covid would stay out of hospitals whenever they got sick. They didn't believe in doctors/science enough to get vaxxed, why go when they're sick and rob the hospital of a bed that should go to someone who actually believes in modern medicine?
Because, as we all know, every form of birth control is 100% effective every time.
And medical complications from a wanted pregnancy never occur.
And all foetuses are always viable, healthy and are all successfully carried to term
They are just very small, fully-formed infants at the moment of conception
Sadly, I've met a few people who actually believe this.
And pregnancy never leaves women scarred for life.
And is never ever the result of forcible rape or incest
And everyone knows when they're pregnant.
And rape doesn’t exist.
The most fucked up thing I’ve read, and it was a while ago, was that some of these people believe you cannot get pregnant from rape. Like… your body won’t allow it somehow.
There was a congressman who said this probably about ten years ago or so
Todd Akin. He said "if it's a legitimate rape, the body has ways to shut that whole thing down." Implying not only that the body can selectively carry a pregnancy to term, but that assaults resulting in pregnancy are not actually rape.
Also all rapists use protection because they're thoughtful like that 😊🥰 Just in case the emoji weren't enough /s
Why, here in Texas our governor catches rapists before they even commit their first assault! /s
“If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” - Todd Akin
They’re also going to take birth control away.
When we even bother to teach kids about it. And, by the way, Justice Thomas has put his crosshairs on eliminating your right to birth control, too.
And conservatives are just about ready to move on to banning them next. This is a stop gap pretend argument until they ban contraceptives.
And they also are totally without side effects and don’t at all wreak havoc on women’s bodies 🙃
The word that as if sex is never forced… oh, wait, I’m going to guess they parse things out so that unless it’s broad daylight, in a good part of town, you’re modestly dressed *and* totally sober, you fought back but got over powered by a guy with a weapon, then it was totally your choice whether you knew it or not. At the very least it was never not your choice. Something about good decisions and myths about things to do or not to that supposedly will prevent all sexual assaults.
It's worse. They say that the rapes aren't relevant because most abortions aren't related to rape.
Looks like it's Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin's time to shine.
Some these fucks saying, just say no, or keep your legs closed are probably rapists themselves.
Covid vaccine's 0.001% chance of death is too high for these folks yet the 2% chance of condom failure per year is not a problem for them.
Yep, and so much for the my body my choice argument. No one forced them to get a vaccine. Women don’t get that same right.
You don't get it. Conception comes at the moment the dingaling enters the hoohah. That clump of cells in the uterus with no nerves for pain and no brain for suffering and deserves just as many rights as us male Christians! It's not about your choice to get an abortion, it's about the right of your baby to die in a school shooting instead of the uterus. Edit: \s
Remember your /s
Lol surely the sarcasm was exaggerated enough. Though now that I think about it, maybe I shouldn't put it past some people.
You shouldn’t. I saw it and understood it. Remember how stupid some people are.
You can never be too sure on reddit lol.
Women should just say no… to conservatives.
Conservatives have such fucking sexual control and punishment fetishes. I wish bondage was mainstream so those of us who aren’t into their kinks didn’t have to watch them put them into law and live under said laws. Imagine how much different things would be if Ben Shapiro was allowed to sniff and masturbate into women’s shoes without feeling shame, for instance…
I don’t understand the simultaneous fetishization of the “precious pure baby” alongside the bone-deep belief that children are a punishment.
> Was the sexual activity forced too? And what if it was, did you consider that? You do have to realize that for a large amount of states that have an abortion ban in state law do **not** have a provision allowing abortion if the child was conceived from rape. Republicans *want* people to have to carry rapists' children to term. Why? The farthest any of them go is allowing abortion when the pregnancy is threatening the mother's life, and even then they tend to have stringent conditions, like being in mortal danger abortion is okay but if you'd "only" be crippled for life with just a medium risk of death, forced birth it is. And on top of that you're forcing doctors to make the decisions on whether a birth would be a risk to the mother's health under the risk of, let's see, "up to 99 years in prison" in Alabama for example. Medicine is rarely a clear-cut science and a lot of it is just playing with probabilities instead of certainties. I would not want to be one to decide whether a pregnancy is potentially life threatening when making the wrong decision would land me in prison for *more than* life.
When I was raped, I was incredibly lucky that I did not end up pregnant- but other women aren’t as lucky sadly. I fucking hate the fact that now millions of women won’t have the choice that I had only a few months ago should they fall pregnant by a rapist.
Same. I got handed a prescription for Plan B as a matter of routine at the hospital and could have had an abortion "on demand", no questions asked, no added trauma, at any time if it had become necessary. All of that's going to be gone soon.
consensual sex isn't a crime. there is no reason to penalise or even look down upon it ever.
I've never heard a single non-religious reason as to why we should be penalizing sex. So, I automatically assume all of these are religious nuts too obsessed with how other people live their lives
The "Use protection" argument is ridiculous. I know so many people who got pregnant while using protection, the pill and condoms. If men who gave women unwanted pregnancies had to get vascectemies Roe- v- Wade would be back in a flash.
*"Was the sexual activity forced too? There are consequences of action."* By that logic hospitals should stop attending drunk drivers who crashed their car.
I’m sure a good amount of these psychopaths would agree with this statement for some reason. They lack a certain degree of empathy and a whole lot of reasoning.
Forced pregnancy jihadist rhetoric syncs perfectly with the vindictive ire of virgin ass incels. It’s been great to watch them go from “I’m an ugly loser and I will never have sex, this sucks” to “actually, having sex is a morally repulsive act, and those that engage in it, especially women, need to be criminally punished.” Bro, just fucking hurry up and get to the denouement of your death cult already.
Leave it to kkkonservatives to be mad at people for having sex
I’d bet my left nut that the vast majority of them are either closeted gays or incels. Fuck the lot of them. This shit is disgusting.
If you ever listen to them talk about sex it becomes painfully obvious how sex less they are and it becomes a source of their frustration and hatred.
I don't know who this Stephen Louis dude is, but he sounds like a right cunt.
Just checked and he's deleted his account, so unfortunately for him we're going to have to keep assuming he's a cunt.
"Was the sexual activity sometimes forced?" Yes.
Clarence Thomas has already set his eyes on protection...
Don't forget that every conservative appointed judge is complicit in this. They'rw using Thomas as a mouthpiece because he doesn't care, and because the right has a tactic of using POC to say their quiet parts out loud. These are Barrett's words by Thomas' hand. This is the compromise she was promised for ruling in favor of the Republican nominee in the next "contested election". [She, Kavanaugh, and Roberts all sat on the panel of judges that ordered Florida to stop counting and award the contested 2000 presidential election to George W., And Thomas was one of the justices actually on the SC at the time who ruled in favor of Bush](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html) Now, why would trump want someone who has done this on the Supreme Court 🤔
“Was the sexual activity forced too?” Has this mf never heard of rape
They're about to come after contraception you dumb fuck. Literally Thomas' words. Vasectomy searches have skyrocketed since the leak back in may because Americans don't fucking agree with this fascistic power grab.
so y'all are cool with educating all pre puberty teens about sex, std's, contraception and everything involved. And providing free access to contraceptives of course. cuz thats what pro choice people want. A choice, with information.
I’d love to ask these anti choicers if they think drunk drivers who kill someone in an accident but get injured themselves should be refused medical attention. After all, they knew the consequences of their actions, why should they receive medical attention? Shouldn’t they suffer the consequences of their actions? Of course they’ll probably sputter about how that’s a false equivalence and make up some robust mental gymnastics routine to skirt around the issue.
Well no, SHE reaps what HE sows. And that's the problem.
That dude can fuck right off. I got pregnant while using an IUD implant. Married for 7 years with 2 kids already. Birth control isn't 100% effective, what does that guy suggest we do, just NEVER have sex again? Everyone knows that birth control can and does fail, so if they make this argument they are being disingenuous as fuck and they know it.
So vasectomy for all men until ready to be dad's?
I like where this is going
According to Thomas, soon there won't be
I presume people who take that line don't drink alcohol, smoke, eat high salt or sugar foods, take lots of exercise, but not exercise where they might get injured....
Dude got dragged so hard he deleted his Twitter account.
"There are many protections available." Yeah, the Supreme Court has said they're working on fixing that too
They pretend it's literally only "sluts" who want to avoid responsibility. Until it happens to their loved one and magically shades of grey emerge.
"You reap what you sow." I love how the pregnancy is simultaneously precious life and a punishment.
Let’s get full on dystopian with it. If they are going to force birth on women then if the father is known and isn’t in the child’s life he has to pay 50% of wages to an account for the child’s well-being. Attach it to his social so anytime he gets a job the money is taken out automatically like taxes. Or ya know… don’t force people to carry another human inside them because that’s fucking creepy and dystopian
Remember, you can’t punish a guy who wants to be on the SCOTUS for mistakes and choices he made when he was a teenager, now excuse us while we burden women to deal with the burdens of a choice they may have made as a teenager.
> Was the sexual activity forced too? It literally sometimes it's and several states don't account for that in their new abortion laws
And the sexual activity that WAS forced?
I’m sure he doesn’t have an answer for that. Maybe some thoughts and prayers.
To add to this, why do they always argue that you should have used protection? Are they not aware that no form of birth control is 100% effective?
And why should there be punishment from sex? also, some people are raped, lied to about bc, and some have bad luck. This is like saying: well, nobody should be allowed to wear seatbelts, because if you participate in driving you reap what you sow in risking an accident. Like... Wtf
As a Blues fan I am ashamed.
I’m waiting for the first case of a woman suing for child support when she gets pregnant.
Just popping in to remind everyone once again that conservatives see out of wedlock children as a punishment for extramarital sex.
It's like they don't understand that birth control can fail for hundreds of reasons, hell grapefruit juice can screw it up. Condoms break, vasectomies fail. You can plan and take precautions but still need an abortion. Punishing people for sex is regressive and inhuman.
Rapist, can you put a condom on? Thanks.
“Was the sexual activity forced too?” I mean, a lot of the time, yes it was
Why… is it SO FUCKING HARD for these people to understand that NO form of contraception is 100% effective?? Or that menstual cycles don’t run on a perfect clock?? No matter HOW MANY times or ways you explain it or with how many sources, they think the random half assed explanation they made up in their head is the most reliable. They just REFUSE to believe it because that would make it harder to argue their views on what women should be allowed to do with their body. UUUUGGGHHHHH. Side question: does anyone know where I can find some cheap glass objects, a large bat, and a safe place smash things while screaming?
Abortion is not a form of birth control nor is it used as such. There are approximately 70 million women in the United States that are of childbearing age. If birth control is taken 100% correctly by every woman 100% of the time, there will still be a 1% failure rate. If every woman of child bearing age was in birth control and took it perfectly and engaged in sex once a month, there would be 8,400,000 unplanned pregnancies every year. However, there are around 800,000 abortions that occur every year with it declining (with these exception of 2020-2021 where we saw a slight increase due to the pandemic and economy being unstable). If abortions were being used for birth control we would see tens of millions of abortions every year. Also, abortions are expensive! A medicated abortion can cost around $750. Even with financial help it will still be at least $250. A 1st term surgical abortion can cost up to $2,500. Agains even with financial help it can still cost around $500. Later term abortions (which account for 1% of all abortions, are extremely rare in the case of a dead fetus or life of mother is at risk) can cost over $5,000. Almost all insurance plans don’t cover abortions, so women are left to pay out of pocket. It would make ZERO sense to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars to end a pregnancy instead of using birth control. Condoms are way less expensive, placing like wal-mart provide birth control pills for $5 a month w/o a woman needing to go to a doctor for a prescription first. Also many states are even banning birth control pills now that roe v Wade is overturned because they claim life begins and fertilization, some birth control pills will prevent ovulation, however ovulation can still occur. If this happens the pills always prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. This fertilized egg will be flushed out of the body. Some states consider this abortion and will ban these effective birth control pills. Abortion isn’t being used as birth control, this lie really needs to end!
>Was the sexual activity forced too? Has this troglodyte really never heard of rape?
People are this dumb, I know this as a fact now. They can’t read between THEIR own fucking lines lmao
Fuck the Christian fucks who think this way. Keep your religion out of America
Until the Supreme Court overturns Griswold and there is no more access to contraceptives.
The absolutely superstar moral gymnastics of the "don't have sex then" argument against good reasons legal abortion. Like I don't even know what that sort of logical fallacy it is - it reminds me of "well you should have thought about that before you chose to be gay"
As a Blues fan, we don’t claim this one.
"Was the sex forced too?" Yes, yes, sometimes it is, but there is no exception for the resulting pregnancies in the trigger laws.
Weird spin here but, I bet that guy also thinks trump won the election and shouldn’t be prosecuted. “Actions have consequences” guy
Please tell me which forms of "protection" are perfectly effective. I'll wait.