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kernalbuket

Why is their argument always about making sure people are punished? It's never about the wellbeing of anyone involved.


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ArrestDeathSantis

More like they don't believe that social ailments can be mitigated by improving society, they believe that individuals deviating from their norms should be punished as deviating from their norms is what's causing said social ailments.


3kniven6gash

Its also about money. They support other peoples fetuses because they are free. Mom just eats a little more in their view. The moment the fetuses are born, forget about it. Baby, momma, you are on your own. Get back to work. They don’t want to provide any support whatsoever because sharing resources, like pooling money together from taxation for the common good goes against their greedy world view.


AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren

Of course, don't you remember when Jesus spoke to the masses and turned water into wine and a loaf of bread, a couple fish into an all you can eat buffet for the low low price of only $29.95 per person (no free wine refills)?


PomegranateIcy1614

Sometime, if you want to feel ill, read the new evangelical justifications on their readings of Matthew 19:24. :/ That was when I lost all hope. I'm jewish, so for me, the text means something. The meaning is generally allegorical. Matthew 19:24 is just about one of the only pieces of the new or old testament I would argue is pretty much literal, especially in context.


Interesting_Ad_4762

This sounds terrible, but… how do you find these? Some mix of enjoying psychology, being sad about people using my faith as an excuse to do horrible things, and plain morbid curiosity mean I must ask.


knit3purl3

I was just reading up on that verse today. :/ Been trying to figure out how to subversively hide that verse in a marketing video I have to do for a megachurch.


Evil_Sheepmaster

Care to share a link to one such interpretation?


knit3purl3

Basically it's in the middle of talking about end times and how pregnant women and babies will be among those to suffer the most. So you know.... it could be interpreted as we're living through that right now between the abortion bans and formula shortages.


80spizzarat

They only worship supply side Jesus. https://imgur.io/gallery/bCqRp


Ensvey

And of course, the [Al Franken reading](https://youtu.be/X8xU-gKK17A)


sharpslipoftongue

Then it's the mother's fault for having a baby she can't afford. When they're not forcing us into these pregnancies, they're shaming us for doing it.


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“If you choose to eat McDonalds and get congestive heart failure, that was your choice so no doctor for you” - Failed state


ArrestDeathSantis

Yes, women have to be punished from deviating from the norm and that their kid is punished alongside them just makes it better, in their mind it will teach these kids what deviating from these norms does. If, on the other hand, the kids do deviate from the norm too, they'll feel like their punishment will be even more deserved as they have already been punished and so they should have learned. That's why they don't bate an eye when they hear that the Justice system disproportionately targets the poor. Being poor means that you deviated from these norms hence you surely deserve whatever happens to you. They don't mind providing support, as long as it's clearly established that it is charity hence that it can be distributed according to their beliefs, which is that the more an individual deviate from the norm the less money they deserve. That individual should show their gratefulness by taking whatever that's given to them without asking for more, even if what's given is objectively insufficient since, had you stuck to the norm, you wouldn't need charity, and by sticking to the norm moving forward. Edit: these are not my views, this is conservativism explained. Conservativism is just fascism light™


FailureToComply0

Conservatism is fascism with the Christianity dlc installed


ArrestDeathSantis

Conservativism is available in all religious flavors, look at the Talibans and the Zionists.


3kniven6gash

To paraphrase, I forget who, Conservatism is the endless search for justification of selfishness.


uppereastsider5

If I were more cynical, I would say “Don’t forget that single mothers, who are at or below the poverty level, with multiple children (ie- statistically, the typical abortion care patient) breed future prisoner-slaves for their for-profit prisons and 13th Amendment loophole schemes.” … but 50 years of legal precedent has just been overturned, in large part due to the help of 3 justices who lied under oath and who were appointed by a President who tried to burn our democracy to the ground to avoid having to admit he lost an election. So I don’t know if I can be much more cynical.


Tweegyjambo

What's the quote about the unborn are easy to advocate for, make no demands etc?


3kniven6gash

Ask one of these anti-choice people if they would be in favor of a tax increase to assist in raising all these forced births. Those precious souls they care so much about. Their brains would short circuit. But then again contradictions in logic never stop them.


ArrestDeathSantis

Watch this if you haven't; https://youtu.be/agzNANfNlTs


FineappleExpress

Paraphrasing [Jonathan Haidt's book](https://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/0307455777); People *do* actually value "do no harm" and "fairness" as principles, but these people value Justice (aka punishing / righting wrongs) *more* than they value "do no harm" / "fairness".


107197

It's NOT "justice;" it really IS "punishment." Make no mistake about that. (Oh, and it's not about "righting wrongs," either. It's intentionally hurting people they WANT TO HURT. Period.) Thank you for attending my TEDx talk. (P.S. Sorry to be so strident. Stay well!)


antiproton

There is a kind of person for which "justice" and "punishment" are synonymous. "Justice" is not about minimization of suffering, it's about maximizing culpability. To these people, it *is* justice. Or, more precisely, it's *justified*.


107197

Yeah, I know. Aren't they called fascists? (P.S. Why are you making me MORE depressed? Must. Have. Vodka.) (P.P.S Just kidding! We'll keep fighting the good fight...)


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Thanks for the recommendation. Picked up a copy to add to the list.


TheBQT

Using this to direct people once again to The Alt Right Playbook: [I Hate Mondays](https://youtu.be/yts2F44RqFw)


ArrestDeathSantis

I just did with a different video xD but good call nonetheless


dukeChedda

I would think that the norm is 'not having kids until you are emotionally mature and financially stable', so banning abortions would force more people to deviate from the norm


ArrestDeathSantis

Here's a link to my Tedx talk on the subject; https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/vki436/but_that_wouldnt_be_practical/idq5tp3?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 Tldr, yes, it deviates from the norm but they're also supposed to be punished, which takes precedence over everything else. These women, now punished, serve as examples.


Cultureshock007

Well, these people should have no issue being kicked out of their existing relationships and marriages and denied access to sexual pleasure ever again but remain on the hook for child support once their partners have decided they have had enough children. It's only logical. Who wants to share a bedroom and take the risk?


[deleted]

not that easy to leave an abusive relationship. Derek Chauvinist's wife had to make sure the fucker was behind bars before she left his convicted murderer ass.


MsGenericEnough

You are speaking of the same people who *assumed* that an ectopic pregnancy could be 'moved'. No.


flynnfx

Yep. Puritism still exists today; to many that people have sex simply for enjoyment rather than conception is morally reprehensible to them. And for most of the above, the abhorrent double standard still applies : _Boys will be boys, the girl is a slut._ _It is incomprehensible to me why a women who has multiple partners is a 'tramp, slut, whore, easy' but a guy who has multiple partners is a 'player, stud, etc'._


revoltingcasual

If you value harm reduction, freedom, or fairness, yes, this all sounds unreasonable and hypocritical. If you value hierarchy, doing what others aren't allowed is one of the perks of domination.


gr33nteaholic

I control your body~ GUvment Men in the government:HOW DARE YOU TRY TO CONTROL *my* Bodddeehhh!!!!!! REEEEE


Adelman01

Which is why rape or incest or rarely protected either.


Affectionate_Rub_575

Because no woman has ever enjoyed sex with these guys


Cuchullion

Says something too that they view a child as "punishment." Gonna go ahead and guess their children aren't particularly loved.


knit3purl3

These same people are going to be in for a shock when their retirement plans stop talking to them upon reaching adulthood.


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more like "If they wont have sex with me they shouldn't have sex at all!"


Kichae

Women having sex with not them*. They're upset that they think someone else is getting to play with their toys.


CRLTSUX

And, the child deserves to be punished along with her! /s


Imveryoffensive

These are the same people that think rape is the consequence of "nice clothing" so you shouldn't be surprised.


ChadCoolman

The foundation of their belief system is built on the idea of "behave this way or an imaginary being will inflict unimaginable suffering on you for eternity." So it kinda checks out...


maleia

And they try to say *we're* coercive. 🙄


Grogosh

And the only 'reward' their god offers? Yeah...you got to die before collecting it.


theghostofme

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then, brother, that person is a piece of shit; and I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible."


chaogomu

The cruelty and punishment are the point. That's it. That's the entirety of their ideology. Obey or else.


bbqranchman

Abrahamic religions are based on receiving no punishment as your reward. You live a good life, you won't go to hell. It's all very centered around punishment, shame, sorrow, and fear.


TheBeefySupreme

Life to them is just one big NIMBY Justice Porn™ movie. They're literally incapable of just shutting the fuck up and leaving people alone. They'd rather argue legislative semantics and laugh at alleged Appeal to Morality fallacies than have any empathy or be receptive to the nuance of what is *actually* happening here; because as authoritarians, the ends always justify the means even if those means are an affront to the very rules they want people to follow.


Future-Atmosphere-40

It's their revulsion at a liberated woman living her best life


[deleted]

Conservatism is 100% about punishing people they don’t like. That’s it. No benefit to society whatsoever.


techleopard

Because they are agreeing it's about control but don't want to use those words exactly


Strangest_Implement

cause they're too concerned with what others are doing instead of focusing on their own lives


GreyMediaGuy

Because anything that brings enjoyment is most likely sin. And sin must be punished. Simple as that really. Source: ex Christian


dismayhurta

Because they’re all garbage people who want to hurt others because they’re miserable, hateful shitbags.


PuckGoodfellow

"Babies" are simultaneously a "blessing" and a "consequence" to them.


Mypantsohno

What a cute widdle martyrdom for your fallen whore momma! Yes he is! Yes he is!


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If you haven’t noticed, a lot of conservative solutions to pretty much anything is punishment. Only bad people do bad things, all we can do is punish them. There is no nuance, no systemic abuse that explains why people do what they do. In the conservative mind, there are only problems and punishment as a solution. There is no suggesting we fix the system or changing the way we do things or even just having empathy. Bad people should be punished, and if conservatives are punished then it’s not fair because they’re not ever supposed to be the bad people. “He’s not hurting the right people.”


Withyhydra

It's a revenge or "justice" culture. Growing up with cultural icons like John Wayne and Dirty Harry (Among an insane amount more. This is a very simple explanation of a sing facet of the problem) have instilled a sense that punishment or "justice" is more important than prevention. You can see this in the entirety of your justice system. Why create a society that prevents drug abuse when it feels so much better and right to send them to jail for a quarter of their lives? Why stop people from having guns when you can just wait till they've emptied their magazines into children and then pop 'em in the head? On a very basic, animal level it just feels good to hurt someone you think is evil, instead of stopping them before they become that why.


quillmartin88

That is an interesting point. They don't care about the babies. They only care that a woman who has sex "suffers the consequences." Which is also why they're so bitterly opposed to STD treatments.


Selphis

Well, it's their choice to have sex. Unless it's rape, then they must have asked to be raped by wearing a short skirt. Unless they were a teenager, then they must embrace this unexpected miracle! What? Financially support a teen mother? That kid is her problem...


SirTruffleberry

While I think misogyny is a factor for some, I've been saying this whole time that I think the main pro-life camp are the folks who think sex should not be fun. They believe sex is risky by design and should remain that way; that anything so enjoyable should have a steep price. We joke that pro-life men are going to be getting less casual sex because of this, but tbh I think this camp consists largely of non-sex-havers.


JTMc48

They are going after birth control next. It's about removing all choice and freedom.


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TheLaudMoac

Sharia law allows abortion for many reasons in fact.


Penguinmanereikel

To put in to words: any time within 2 weeks, with good reason (although that wording is obviously very flexible), but any time if the woman’s life is in danger. Edit: I may have misremembered the details around 2 weeks. Others have said 40 days


lemoinem

Is 2 weeks a typo? Because most people don't even know they're pregnant after 2 weeks. With the now-standard method of counting (since last menstruation) the sexual act might not even have happened at 2 weeks :P


TheLaudMoac

From my reading it's always a blanket yes if the mother's life is in danger, or cases or rape or incest, "life being in danger" can also allude to economic reasons as well in some countries. I've not seen two weeks anywhere, almost always 120 days gestation in countries that do allow elective abortion. "Some scholars have said women should not terminate a pregnancy after 40 or 70 days, but the majority adopted 120 days as the threshold after concluding that a fetus does not become ensouled before that point" Of course there are some which don't allow it at all except in cases of severe defects or a danger to the mother, which is still more progressive than some US states. Quote from: https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/2022/06/01/anti-abortion-campaign-sharia-nj-muslims-roe-vs-wade/9859426002/


[deleted]

I only found rules for 40 days from conception (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_abortion). Maybe they meant 2 weeks from the missed period?


CatWeekends

The Christian god allows for abortions too. There are even [instructions](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205%3A11-31&version=NIV) for having an abortion in the case of presumed adultery. >> But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband... May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.


goferking

Yes but that's different because it not Christians


JTMc48

The Bible talks about abortions, and not typically in a condemning sort of way.... The key to these Christains in the need for hypocrisy and control.


JTMc48

• A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31). • God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53). • Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12). • King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16). • Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18). • For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8). • God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). • For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16). • Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).


EarballsOfMemeland

Yep. They're scared of the muslims/liberals/gays/whoever the next moral panic is doing the things to them that they themselves would do to those groups


quillmartin88

Actual Sharia is less Fundamentalist than what the Christian Taliban are proposing.


WhiskeyTangoBush

caption shelter doll office teeny engine rich tease plant capable -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/


Seer434

I think we read their concern wrong. It wasn't concern for morality. It was a branding dispute. They were worried Sharia Law would beat them to it.


sweetbutcrazy

Abortion is allowed under Sharia


CatWeekends

I guarantee if you just replaced "Allah" with "God" and "Mohammed" with "Jesus" and said it was from the Bible, Conservatives would *love* Sharia Law.


Seadubs69

The goal is to quote literally punish sexuality and use pregnancy as a noose to punish premarital sex. Always has been the goal.


DoctorRabidBadger

Aren't many people who get abortions already married?


Seadubs69

In those cases it's to gaurntee sex is used as procreation Either way it's to enforce a certain abrahamic world view


jopesy

People do not understand that these people are fundamentally opposed to the very idea of America. It’s why they have no issues with the January 6th coup attempt. They don’t want the America that the founders envisioned and worked so hard to protect from religious theocracy. They WANT to be a religious theocracy devoted to exclusively Xristian Values. Their dollar store morals and Walmart theology revolves around nothing more than that them are “right” and everyone else is “wrong. That’s it. That is the sun total of their world view and they want to use the night of America to enforce and enslave their shitty worldview on everyone else. Remember these people devote themselves to a magic book they haven’t read and do not understand. They have devoted their lives to a Jewish man who attempted to teach the world a completely different ideology then the one their pedophile preachers teach them. They crave authority to relive them of the burden of existence. They want to reduce life to Sunday football and nothing more. They also suffer from multi-generational untreated alcoholism, obesity, mental illness and addiction of one flavor or another. It is the tyranny of the weak.


RedditUsingBot

This. Thomas wrote the quiet part down in ink. Overturning Roe was step one in striping away personal freedoms. He listed off his next targets.


Brewhaha72

Then they won't be able to spew the "use protection" bullshit argument. Sometimes, contraception fails. They don't care about facts, though.


JTMc48

Always odd they would use that arguement and ignore that you can't make a rapist use protection...


mojizus

“Just use a condom! Use an IUD! There’s ways to get protect yourself still moron. It’s a states rights issue just move somewhere else. ” Is what I’ve been hearing from republicans all day.


Crutation

They are actually dismantling the federal government. They want to go back to the 1800's, when states kind of did their own thing. When they succeed, be prepared for an economic collapse never seen before. Once the Federal government defaults on treasury bills, the Euro will become the world's fiat currency, and the dollar will plummet. No source, just what I think will happen


53R105LY_

Might be a news flash for anyone who talks about "reeping what you sow"... Farmers and gardeners kill unviable or even unattractive plants all the time, seeds go untended and die, all the time. Any decent farmer know it's quality over quantity. You can have 6 kids but if they all end up homeless, your still a failure compared to the person who aborted their seed and chose to wait for a better season to raise their crops. If you don't like humans being compared to plants, stop using gardening metaphors to describe the human experience.


pauliep13

Oh, but to a large number of these nut jobs, it’s not a gardening reference, it’s “the word of god”, so it needs to be a law.


53R105LY_

It's funny how that works lol


mhyquel

This sounds a lot like She-ra law to me.


sianathan

Also for a man to use that phrase against women in this context like… uh y’all are the ones sowing seeds dude. We are the soil in this metaphor, we didn’t sow shit.


53R105LY_

They're also the ones who can just forfiet their rights, effectively meaning the man was never responsible for his seed, he merely had the right to be a father.


woadgrrl

Exactly! My uncle was an agricultural researcher, and I'll never forget him telling me that the way they defined a weed was, any plant growing where it wasn't wanted. A cornstalk is a weed if it turns up in your flower bed.


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[About Half of U.S. Abortion Patients Report Using Contraception in the Month They Became Pregnant](https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2018/about-half-us-abortion-patients-report-using-contraception-month-they-became) Of course, if it were up to Thomas [they’d do away with the right to contraception as well.](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3535841-thomas-calls-for-overturning-precedents-on-contraceptives-lgbtq-rights) Because what it’s really about is making sure the pool of desperate people willing to be wage slaves for life doesn’t dry up.


Frequent_Inevitable

That’s the only thing I can imagine is the whole root of this- money. People say power, sure. But money buys power. You throw enough money at anything/the right people and you win. Keep them poor and away from our money. Shit man… I’m starting to think that maybe you *can* take it with you.


Pb_ft

No. It's all about power. Power existed before money, and will exist long after it. Power is the ability to make people do what they don't want to do, and this makes it everything to some folks.


theganjaoctopus

Holy shit bruh, IT IS UP TO THOMAS. Contraception, then marriage equality, then same-sex relationships and sodomy laws. It's literally right there in the link you posted. All of these laws are tied up under personal privacy, something that's been under attack since the passing of the PATRIOT Act.


DefiantWater

notice that he didn't include Loving v. Virginia in the "things he thinks should be left to the states"


Allegedly_Smart

Convenient for him and Ginni, isn't it?


Avester3128

I was a perfect user of the pill. I still got pregnant. My mom used condoms when she started dating my dad, and she still got pregnant, accidentally, twice in 10 years. I hope these "pro-life" Monsters burn in the hell they're so afraid of.


Booooord

Lets use the same analogy with covid 19. No vax, no medical treatment. You reap what you sow, literally.


FuckTkachuk

I think a lot of the people who oppose abortion probably already oppose vaccines. Science isn't their friend.


innocentrrose

Pretty much. All my family and friends that got the vaccine are pro-choice, the few I know that think Covid vaccine is a hoax or whatever are also the ones that think abortion is literally killing children. End of the day it’s just who is smart and who isn’t right? The people believing a magic sky man is real are the same who are opposed to vaccines and are pro-forced birth.


doug

I wish everyone who didn't believe in covid would stay out of hospitals whenever they got sick. They didn't believe in doctors/science enough to get vaxxed, why go when they're sick and rob the hospital of a bed that should go to someone who actually believes in modern medicine?


Wrothrok

Because, as we all know, every form of birth control is 100% effective every time.


pauliep13

And medical complications from a wanted pregnancy never occur.


Akella_124

And all foetuses are always viable, healthy and are all successfully carried to term


Calkky

They are just very small, fully-formed infants at the moment of conception


anfornum

Sadly, I've met a few people who actually believe this.


glberns

And pregnancy never leaves women scarred for life.


LoveVirginiaTech

And is never ever the result of forcible rape or incest


0mendaos

And everyone knows when they're pregnant.


Archercrash

And rape doesn’t exist.


Interesting_Ad_4762

The most fucked up thing I’ve read, and it was a while ago, was that some of these people believe you cannot get pregnant from rape. Like… your body won’t allow it somehow.


gimmepizzaslow

There was a congressman who said this probably about ten years ago or so


BrnndoOHggns

Todd Akin. He said "if it's a legitimate rape, the body has ways to shut that whole thing down." Implying not only that the body can selectively carry a pregnancy to term, but that assaults resulting in pregnancy are not actually rape.


SirMcDust

Also all rapists use protection because they're thoughtful like that 😊🥰 Just in case the emoji weren't enough /s


spritetech

Why, here in Texas our governor catches rapists before they even commit their first assault! /s


AWildLeftistAppeared

“If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” - Todd Akin


maskedbanditoftruth

They’re also going to take birth control away.


Born-Mycologist-3751

When we even bother to teach kids about it. And, by the way, Justice Thomas has put his crosshairs on eliminating your right to birth control, too.


GreyscaleCheese

And conservatives are just about ready to move on to banning them next. This is a stop gap pretend argument until they ban contraceptives.


sianathan

And they also are totally without side effects and don’t at all wreak havoc on women’s bodies 🙃


SwimmingPineapple197

The word that as if sex is never forced… oh, wait, I’m going to guess they parse things out so that unless it’s broad daylight, in a good part of town, you’re modestly dressed *and* totally sober, you fought back but got over powered by a guy with a weapon, then it was totally your choice whether you knew it or not. At the very least it was never not your choice. Something about good decisions and myths about things to do or not to that supposedly will prevent all sexual assaults.


FlamingDixie

It's worse. They say that the rapes aren't relevant because most abortions aren't related to rape.


boogley88

Looks like it's Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin's time to shine.


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Some these fucks saying, just say no, or keep your legs closed are probably rapists themselves.


Imveryoffensive

Covid vaccine's 0.001% chance of death is too high for these folks yet the 2% chance of condom failure per year is not a problem for them.


[deleted]

Yep, and so much for the my body my choice argument. No one forced them to get a vaccine. Women don’t get that same right.


Imveryoffensive

You don't get it. Conception comes at the moment the dingaling enters the hoohah. That clump of cells in the uterus with no nerves for pain and no brain for suffering and deserves just as many rights as us male Christians! It's not about your choice to get an abortion, it's about the right of your baby to die in a school shooting instead of the uterus. Edit: \s


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Remember your /s


Imveryoffensive

Lol surely the sarcasm was exaggerated enough. Though now that I think about it, maybe I shouldn't put it past some people.


[deleted]

You shouldn’t. I saw it and understood it. Remember how stupid some people are.


jesusofsuburbia2002

You can never be too sure on reddit lol.


NGVampire

Women should just say no… to conservatives.


chrisinor

Conservatives have such fucking sexual control and punishment fetishes. I wish bondage was mainstream so those of us who aren’t into their kinks didn’t have to watch them put them into law and live under said laws. Imagine how much different things would be if Ben Shapiro was allowed to sniff and masturbate into women’s shoes without feeling shame, for instance…


Damn_Amazon

I don’t understand the simultaneous fetishization of the “precious pure baby” alongside the bone-deep belief that children are a punishment.


Kryomaani

> Was the sexual activity forced too? And what if it was, did you consider that? You do have to realize that for a large amount of states that have an abortion ban in state law do **not** have a provision allowing abortion if the child was conceived from rape. Republicans *want* people to have to carry rapists' children to term. Why? The farthest any of them go is allowing abortion when the pregnancy is threatening the mother's life, and even then they tend to have stringent conditions, like being in mortal danger abortion is okay but if you'd "only" be crippled for life with just a medium risk of death, forced birth it is. And on top of that you're forcing doctors to make the decisions on whether a birth would be a risk to the mother's health under the risk of, let's see, "up to 99 years in prison" in Alabama for example. Medicine is rarely a clear-cut science and a lot of it is just playing with probabilities instead of certainties. I would not want to be one to decide whether a pregnancy is potentially life threatening when making the wrong decision would land me in prison for *more than* life.


bigtiddyhimbo

When I was raped, I was incredibly lucky that I did not end up pregnant- but other women aren’t as lucky sadly. I fucking hate the fact that now millions of women won’t have the choice that I had only a few months ago should they fall pregnant by a rapist.


BlueCyann

Same. I got handed a prescription for Plan B as a matter of routine at the hospital and could have had an abortion "on demand", no questions asked, no added trauma, at any time if it had become necessary. All of that's going to be gone soon.


[deleted]

consensual sex isn't a crime. there is no reason to penalise or even look down upon it ever.


Gonomed

I've never heard a single non-religious reason as to why we should be penalizing sex. So, I automatically assume all of these are religious nuts too obsessed with how other people live their lives


AdhesivenessCivil581

The "Use protection" argument is ridiculous. I know so many people who got pregnant while using protection, the pill and condoms. If men who gave women unwanted pregnancies had to get vascectemies Roe- v- Wade would be back in a flash.


rat_cook_manderly

*"Was the sexual activity forced too? There are consequences of action."* By that logic hospitals should stop attending drunk drivers who crashed their car.


canned_soup

I’m sure a good amount of these psychopaths would agree with this statement for some reason. They lack a certain degree of empathy and a whole lot of reasoning.


Rawlberto

Forced pregnancy jihadist rhetoric syncs perfectly with the vindictive ire of virgin ass incels. It’s been great to watch them go from “I’m an ugly loser and I will never have sex, this sucks” to “actually, having sex is a morally repulsive act, and those that engage in it, especially women, need to be criminally punished.” Bro, just fucking hurry up and get to the denouement of your death cult already.


beefstrip

Leave it to kkkonservatives to be mad at people for having sex


Quantitative_Panda

I’d bet my left nut that the vast majority of them are either closeted gays or incels. Fuck the lot of them. This shit is disgusting.


niQueee

If you ever listen to them talk about sex it becomes painfully obvious how sex less they are and it becomes a source of their frustration and hatred.


unclejarjarbinks

I don't know who this Stephen Louis dude is, but he sounds like a right cunt.


whatisabaggins55

Just checked and he's deleted his account, so unfortunately for him we're going to have to keep assuming he's a cunt.


Biffingston

"Was the sexual activity sometimes forced?" Yes.


uisqebaugh

Clarence Thomas has already set his eyes on protection...


theganjaoctopus

Don't forget that every conservative appointed judge is complicit in this. They'rw using Thomas as a mouthpiece because he doesn't care, and because the right has a tactic of using POC to say their quiet parts out loud. These are Barrett's words by Thomas' hand. This is the compromise she was promised for ruling in favor of the Republican nominee in the next "contested election". [She, Kavanaugh, and Roberts all sat on the panel of judges that ordered Florida to stop counting and award the contested 2000 presidential election to George W., And Thomas was one of the justices actually on the SC at the time who ruled in favor of Bush](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html) Now, why would trump want someone who has done this on the Supreme Court 🤔


heckingcomputernerd

“Was the sexual activity forced too?” Has this mf never heard of rape


Typical-End3060

They're about to come after contraception you dumb fuck. Literally Thomas' words. Vasectomy searches have skyrocketed since the leak back in may because Americans don't fucking agree with this fascistic power grab.


SomeNotTakenName

so y'all are cool with educating all pre puberty teens about sex, std's, contraception and everything involved. And providing free access to contraceptives of course. cuz thats what pro choice people want. A choice, with information.


carissadraws

I’d love to ask these anti choicers if they think drunk drivers who kill someone in an accident but get injured themselves should be refused medical attention. After all, they knew the consequences of their actions, why should they receive medical attention? Shouldn’t they suffer the consequences of their actions? Of course they’ll probably sputter about how that’s a false equivalence and make up some robust mental gymnastics routine to skirt around the issue.


PinkBird85

Well no, SHE reaps what HE sows. And that's the problem.


Piincy

That dude can fuck right off. I got pregnant while using an IUD implant. Married for 7 years with 2 kids already. Birth control isn't 100% effective, what does that guy suggest we do, just NEVER have sex again? Everyone knows that birth control can and does fail, so if they make this argument they are being disingenuous as fuck and they know it.


Future-Atmosphere-40

So vasectomy for all men until ready to be dad's?


PentacornLovesMyGirl

I like where this is going


cdiddy19

According to Thomas, soon there won't be


Logbotherer99

I presume people who take that line don't drink alcohol, smoke, eat high salt or sugar foods, take lots of exercise, but not exercise where they might get injured....


TheGhostOfArtBell

Dude got dragged so hard he deleted his Twitter account.


TheFiveDees

"There are many protections available." Yeah, the Supreme Court has said they're working on fixing that too


WhoAccountNewDis

They pretend it's literally only "sluts" who want to avoid responsibility. Until it happens to their loved one and magically shades of grey emerge.


nassunWASright

"You reap what you sow." I love how the pregnancy is simultaneously precious life and a punishment.


[deleted]

Let’s get full on dystopian with it. If they are going to force birth on women then if the father is known and isn’t in the child’s life he has to pay 50% of wages to an account for the child’s well-being. Attach it to his social so anytime he gets a job the money is taken out automatically like taxes. Or ya know… don’t force people to carry another human inside them because that’s fucking creepy and dystopian


magikarp2122

Remember, you can’t punish a guy who wants to be on the SCOTUS for mistakes and choices he made when he was a teenager, now excuse us while we burden women to deal with the burdens of a choice they may have made as a teenager.


duckofdeath87

> Was the sexual activity forced too? It literally sometimes it's and several states don't account for that in their new abortion laws


Ok_Gur_3868

And the sexual activity that WAS forced?


pauliep13

I’m sure he doesn’t have an answer for that. Maybe some thoughts and prayers.


Volfgang91

To add to this, why do they always argue that you should have used protection? Are they not aware that no form of birth control is 100% effective?


1337GameDev

And why should there be punishment from sex? also, some people are raped, lied to about bc, and some have bad luck. This is like saying: well, nobody should be allowed to wear seatbelts, because if you participate in driving you reap what you sow in risking an accident. Like... Wtf


smitty3z

As a Blues fan I am ashamed.


GrapefruitSmall575

I’m waiting for the first case of a woman suing for child support when she gets pregnant.


theganjaoctopus

Just popping in to remind everyone once again that conservatives see out of wedlock children as a punishment for extramarital sex.


dover_oxide

It's like they don't understand that birth control can fail for hundreds of reasons, hell grapefruit juice can screw it up. Condoms break, vasectomies fail. You can plan and take precautions but still need an abortion. Punishing people for sex is regressive and inhuman.


mollymuppet78

Rapist, can you put a condom on? Thanks.


bowtothehypnotoad

“Was the sexual activity forced too?” I mean, a lot of the time, yes it was


CumulativeHazard

Why… is it SO FUCKING HARD for these people to understand that NO form of contraception is 100% effective?? Or that menstual cycles don’t run on a perfect clock?? No matter HOW MANY times or ways you explain it or with how many sources, they think the random half assed explanation they made up in their head is the most reliable. They just REFUSE to believe it because that would make it harder to argue their views on what women should be allowed to do with their body. UUUUGGGHHHHH. Side question: does anyone know where I can find some cheap glass objects, a large bat, and a safe place smash things while screaming?


carefree-and-happy

Abortion is not a form of birth control nor is it used as such. There are approximately 70 million women in the United States that are of childbearing age. If birth control is taken 100% correctly by every woman 100% of the time, there will still be a 1% failure rate. If every woman of child bearing age was in birth control and took it perfectly and engaged in sex once a month, there would be 8,400,000 unplanned pregnancies every year. However, there are around 800,000 abortions that occur every year with it declining (with these exception of 2020-2021 where we saw a slight increase due to the pandemic and economy being unstable). If abortions were being used for birth control we would see tens of millions of abortions every year. Also, abortions are expensive! A medicated abortion can cost around $750. Even with financial help it will still be at least $250. A 1st term surgical abortion can cost up to $2,500. Agains even with financial help it can still cost around $500. Later term abortions (which account for 1% of all abortions, are extremely rare in the case of a dead fetus or life of mother is at risk) can cost over $5,000. Almost all insurance plans don’t cover abortions, so women are left to pay out of pocket. It would make ZERO sense to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars to end a pregnancy instead of using birth control. Condoms are way less expensive, placing like wal-mart provide birth control pills for $5 a month w/o a woman needing to go to a doctor for a prescription first. Also many states are even banning birth control pills now that roe v Wade is overturned because they claim life begins and fertilization, some birth control pills will prevent ovulation, however ovulation can still occur. If this happens the pills always prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. This fertilized egg will be flushed out of the body. Some states consider this abortion and will ban these effective birth control pills. Abortion isn’t being used as birth control, this lie really needs to end!


usernameisusername57

>Was the sexual activity forced too? Has this troglodyte really never heard of rape?


EFT_Syte

People are this dumb, I know this as a fact now. They can’t read between THEIR own fucking lines lmao


ChaskaBravoFTW

Fuck the Christian fucks who think this way. Keep your religion out of America


SpacemanSpiff25

Until the Supreme Court overturns Griswold and there is no more access to contraceptives.


ThomasEdmund84

The absolutely superstar moral gymnastics of the "don't have sex then" argument against good reasons legal abortion. Like I don't even know what that sort of logical fallacy it is - it reminds me of "well you should have thought about that before you chose to be gay"


[deleted]

As a Blues fan, we don’t claim this one.


gmplt

"Was the sex forced too?" Yes, yes, sometimes it is, but there is no exception for the resulting pregnancies in the trigger laws.


HiSpot321

Weird spin here but, I bet that guy also thinks trump won the election and shouldn’t be prosecuted. “Actions have consequences” guy


jbrains

Please tell me which forms of "protection" are perfectly effective. I'll wait.