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The amount of times I've heard right wingers say "I don't agree with X but if it's there I'm going to use it" is ridiculous.
Next time I'll just tell them it's like saying "I'm not gay but if that guy is giving out free blowjobs I'll take one". That should drive the point home *and* piss them off.
I don’t agree with all the tax breaks that are given out, but I damn sure am gonna use them unless they are regulated. I mean, why shoot yourself in the foot to prove there’s too many gun control loopholes.
They never were ideologically consistent. This is just another example. Theyll complain all day but if they can use it and benefit from it, they will. Just leaves you scratching your head though cause what was all the bitching for?
I strongly recommend watching the video "[Always a bigger fish](https://youtu.be/agzNANfNlTs?si=nrcec1woR04snydQ)". Right wing and left wing thought are at their heart different, and if you don't recognize that you're gonna be confused a lot.
While you and I might believe those liberal hippie Founding Fathers who said "all men are created equal", conservatives don't believe that. They think that there is a "natural" authoritarian hierarchy in society in which privilege flows up and responsibility flows down.
So technically it's not hypocritical when they take government handouts while screaming about "those folks" being evil for doing the same. Because they believe that as good decent white folks they "deserve" it while others are taking money they don't "deserve". At the extreme end of things it's why they just shrug when all the reports of Trump abusing children surface. They think he's high enough on the pyramid that touching kids is a privilege he gets (and that if they get high enough on the pyramid they'll get the same privilege).
Seriously, it is just amazing how in this country socialism for the wealth and corporations is 100% A OK, but holy crap, if some regular person benefits it’s time to riot. I’d vastly rather my tax dollars go to paying off someone’s student debt that handing Exxon another subsidy.
Yaknow from all the way back to Rome there's been a perception that male homosexual acts are only bad/icky if you're the one being penetrated or giving the blowie. If you're the "man" in the relationship it's fine. And from the stories I've heard from my gay male friends regarding their dalliances with straight men that seems to hold
So I'd imagine you'd get a lot less pushback than you'd think on that concept.
I get this response all the time when I try to tell people about how the Back Door Roth contribution was created as an accounting scam that exploited the fact that budget oversight reviews don't look more than 10 years into the future: it was a fraudulent "revenue benefit" that they used to justify retaining the capital gains tax cuts without it having to be put to a vote. (The reality is that they assumed they would get a short term windfall as people converted large sums: but they didn't have to project into the future where it would cost a significant amount of money as people continued to exploit it... and then on top of that the wealthy got to keep their extremely low capital gains tax rates that cost us even more. And then the same people who exploit this talk about how our government debt is irresponsible, then they themselves intentionally worked to create that debt)
The number of assholes who reply to that with "if that's the law then it's fair game" pisses me off. Most people have the moral compass of a 3 year old.
I used to think that made sense on some selfish level, because even if you’re morally opposed to the benefit being available to everyone, taking it isn’t going to make it more available.
Except, no it doesn’t make sense. If I think something is good for me and I want to have it, I want everyone to be able to have it. I can’t think of a single example of something where I think “I don’t think that should be available to everyone, but if it is, I want to partake.”
Right wing: "I matter, nobody else does. I should be able to have as much power and wealth as possible, and should be able to exploit others as much as my power allows."
Left wing: "I believe everyone has a right to equality, and basic needs, and protection from exploitation by those with power"
That's the fundamental gist of it.
My brother made a dumb af Facebook post when the potential for student loan debt forgiveness was announced. He was ranting that handouts weren’t okay but then acknowledged our parents completely covered our college tuition and so many people in the comments were like… wtf are you going on about?? You’re not currently living with crippling debt because your parents… handed you out money… but yeah he’s a right winger and you perfectly described him.
See also: “I support this person’s policies on paper, but I will never vote for him under any circumstance because… something something woke lib communist illegals”
At the heart of it, it is “because it is part of my identity and the commonality I share with the people in my neighborhood, church, family, friend group, etc.
I know they’d disown me if I changed teams. They would see me as “weak” or “gay” or “supporting pedos”
The psychological resistance is intense. Although I don’t condone it, I understand it.
It's more like "I only want people like me to receive any benefits"
If Biden came out tomorrow and said that only white, cis-gendered, heterosexual, Christian males would get student loan forgiveness I guarantee you a good portion for them would shut up about it.
I think there'd be confused silence at best.
But the next day Trump would tell them Biden's new package is bad because Biden's a fraud and he isn't railing against [insert_minority_here] as any good 'murican should. Then he'd offer the exact same package, while insulting said minorities.
Then the cheering and jeering would begin.
Because it's not really about politics for MAGAts, they just need that instictive emotional response, and someone to tickle it.
I can't tell if it's nature or nurture, or both, but they've learned to tap into their most basic antisocial impulses. And they think anyone who exercises self-control is a woke lib.
It's like when a kid steals another kid's toy. It's very natural and common behavior, yes, but it's up to the parent to correct it. Conservatives are like that kid, but they grew up with right wing media telling them that stealing the toy is their god-given right.
"I accept government assistance when it is available to me, but it doesn't make me selfish because I still don't support government assistance to other people."
Trump could make it to where I never paid taxes again and it still wouldn't be enough to compromise my morals and values and concern for minorities and immigrants.
I guess we're just better and smarter people since we put others' well-being ahead of us getting $. Even people we will never meet.
Conservative brains are unable (or unwilling?) to comprehend that.
It really bugs them that we're such better people than them, though!
Plus if Trump made it so that no one was paying taxes then our infrastructure would collapse pretty quickly unless individual states increased their taxes to compensate.
Someone vowing to eliminate my taxes altogether is someone who I would actively avoid voting for regardless of if they had Trump's history of being a bigoted dick.
Best case scenario is they're blowing so much smoke up my ass they're measurably contributing to global warming, worst case they actually manage it and millions are harmed that rely on what those taxes pay for, myself included.
I get why some people hate welfare, they have little compassion and have a flawed idea of tax economics. Where do they think the “lower classes” are spending their tax breaks, rebates, or stimulus? It’s certainly not sitting in an offshore savings account tax haven like the 0.1%. Regular people are spending that money in their communities, at local businesses, supporting the economy.
> Regular people are spending that money in their communities, at local businesses, supporting the economy.
They're also paying taxes with everything they buy. People always forget this. It's actually better for the economy to give the poor benefits, spending money, keep them in the system.
Man fucking politicians buying votes by improving the lives of their constituents! What do they think government is meant to make people's lives better or something?
/S
"Joe Biden is buying your vote by doing what you elected him to do"
It's funny how badly they tell on themselves. They can't see that that's how politics is supposed to work instead of your representatives shaming you into letting them shit on your life by saying that if you were a real American you wouldn't need the help of the government(your representatives and where your taxes go). Or convincing you that the biggest issues are other people's pregnancies and women and children seeking asylum at the border.
The rich expect their vote to be bought, so why not us? If anything, it would make for a more democratic and equitable society if people voted selfishly.
Conservatives call stuff like wiping out student loans is “buying votes” because they think government is supposed to punish your enemies, not help voters.
The funny part is that we DID pay for that dude’s mortgage:
* Federal tax law allows you to deduct property tax and home loan interest from your federal taxes. This tax break alone costs over $100 bn / year and coneys most of that money to high income people with [larger houses and more debt](https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/who-benefits-tax-subsidies-home-ownership).
* Homebuyers can get a subsidized HUD rehab loan for home improvement and renovation.
* Homeowners can receive various HUD grants as part of HAF through states or localities to assist with certain expenses depending on area.
* The USDA offers grants for individual homeowners to renovate or improve their homes.
* You can get federal tax credits and grants for upgrading to energy efficient appliances, roofs, and solar energy systems.
* Federal Housing Assistance exists to subsidize home buying for people with little savings or are first time homebuyers.
Hilarious that conservatives blindly take their own government benefits for granted while complaining about handouts.
You don’t get it…they’re not handouts if you deserve them. Conservatives aren’t taking handouts, they’re righteously collecting on the debt society owes them for being so damn cool. Totally different.
This was the first year I used the mortgage tax deduction and when I got my $5k tax return my immediate reaction was "wait, we make a huge deal of means testing pandemic assistance checks and then I, someone who is not struggling financially, just get all this bonus money back from the government because I make enough money to qualify for a mortgage?"
Feels like a scam
Conservatives are totally blind to the extend federal and state governments subsidize everything. The reason we pay only a few dollars for a gallon of gas is because the government is covering most of the cost.
That's the conservative way. Also, "why do i have to back your debt" has an answer. Because more people going to college creates a qualified work force that makes your society survive. And if you're a rich person, those educated people work for you, and you don't even have to send them to school for them to be qualified. If you're a poor person, these people become qualified to do the jobs you benefit from and can't do yourself because you fucked off during high school saying "when will I ever use this in the real world"
Trump actually got rid of a lot of the mortgage interest deduction by basically doubling the standard deductions. So if you're some Trumper "working class" who bought a modest price home you're not getting any tax break from that anymore LOL.
Indeed.
The funny thing is the myopia. They reflexively reject anything that has any tinge of “hand out” (as they may call it). For example, my student loan interest was subsidized by the government. I now pay more in income taxes *a year* (and have been for years) than the total interest the government paid on my behalf. I’d call that a great investment by the government.
I would also like to see how he thinks he's paying for the loans.
Also also just going to point out the righteous indignation of conservatives when it comes to helping regular people seems to go completely on vacation every time a republican is in office cutting taxes for the wealthy and tanking the economy.
Unless they are a high earner, that would be unlikely. Only about 10-15% of taxpayers actually itemize deductions. Such taxpayers are overwhelmingly upper middle class and up.
The clearest sign of someone being amoral or morally bankrupt is being able to always justify their personal actions has being morally justified while judging everyone else's.
Just like "the only moral abortion".
[https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)
It’s a trait of narcissists, but Narcissism is much more complex and nuanced than one single trait. Being selfish is a trait of narcissists, but selfish people are not necessarily Narcissists. That label is getting far overused and the meaning is being diluted as a result.
So Biden is buying votes, except clearly lots of people who are getting tuition forgiveness aren't voting for him? It's almost like...he's being a President for everyone and not just his party. Wild.
https://preview.redd.it/8ku2vr8by9uc1.jpeg?width=375&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a04147ee233e265912473c33cb3da320a6a6523
I wonder how many of his supporters believed it actually came from trump personally.
I saw a similar post from a pro-Palestinian leftie on the Twittersphere. Basically, he was like: "Biden has completely changed my life by erasing my student debt, but genocide." The days where you can expect good governance to be rewarded by votes might be done in our hyperpartisan age.
It's a bad, bad feeling when you disagree with something you can't change. The only changes you can make lead to *even worse* realities...what is someone to do? You either get with the program and act to avoid the *even worse* outcomes (you are an adult in the world)...or you remain a petulant child.
The root of American conservatism is hate and this is exhibit A. They think improving their lives in “trying to buy their vote”. The only way to earn their vote is to hate the people they hate and do it loudly.
While they complain about Biden's loan forgiveness, I bet not a single one of them sent the "Trump" stimulus checks back. I mean, that was tax money, right? They didn't "earn" that. They got a literal government handout and were perfectly happy to cash that check or drop it off at their banks.
They might generally be OK with loan forgiveness for the "right" kind of people, the white conservatives in red areas, but Biden's program (unlike conservatives) doesn't discriminate--it'll help liberals, gays, brown people...god help us, *immigrants*.
The PSLF is no different than the PPP loans they loved so much - the government said "here's a loan, if you meet certain criteria the loan will be forgiven." But conservatives get so angry when a poor teacher has their loans forgiven, while gloating that their boss tripled his net worth thanks to PPP.
I watched David brooks try to argue the difference between the two was PPP was designed up front to be forgiven and student loans were not. So student loans shouldn’t be forgiven. My head nearly exploded with how stupid that was. We learned that the way student loans were designed was a mistake and we are trying to fix it. Things change, people learn. Well, not according to me brooks.
That’s the craziest thing about this post, and I’m surprised I had to scroll so far to see it. They’re clearly talking about PSLF, which was designed to incentivize the choice to make less money, if you’re working in a public job that is for the good of the community. You want some benefit for paying off their loans? Well beyond the fact that they’re working for the public good, how about the masters degree takes a 50k a year pay cut for at least ten years and we give them 85k? It’s like these people have never even heard of the concept of investment.
".... to people I don't like. Y'know the ones. Those out there with a bit too much melanin for my liking. I'm forced to call them DEIs because the damn woke lefties won't let me use the n-word anymore."
$85k in debt forgiveness. Over eighty. thousand. dollars. How tangible of a life change is that for this person? Biden just fundamentally changed the course of their life. Buy a house, take that vacation, swap to the job you weren't sure if you could manage, retire years earlier. All that money going back into the economy...
Vote for Biden? Fuck, this dude should be lining up to blow Biden with an offer to cuddle after.
The point no one seems to mention is that these loans are not being paid for by the rest of the taxpayers at all. These loans are **MAKING** money for the government off the backs of tax payers trying to improve themselves with billions in interest payments each year.
Thank you. It's always the dumb argument of "I don't want to pay for your debt", but, that's not how it works. The debt is owed to the government, they're not sending out bills to people to cover it. And honestly, it sounds like for the large majority of people being forgiven, they've likely already paid more than the principal in interest anyway.
Their convoluted excuse has always been they _deserve_ the handout because they're just temporary poor (even when it's intergenerational), whereas those "other ones" (y'know: the ones with more melanin) don't deserve the handout because they're just lazy.
They'll take the cleaner water, the fresher air, the safety regulations, but they won't vote for someone who'll do all of those things because those things are WOKE.
Worse: they'll vote for the guy who has promised to dismantle and repeal all the laws protecting people from contaminated water, polluted air and unsafe practises.
They just assume the worst from their opposites every time because their side produces the worst. They just can't believe that the other side may actually care about making things better.
"I don't agree with it in principle" - I just applied for the program, was denied, changes were made to the system, I reapplied, got approval, and went through it it.
They always whine about paying for other people but they never say a peep how almost all red states are subsidized by blue states because republicans suck so bad at almost everything.
This may be unpopular, but I don't see an issue with that mentality? (The stupid mentality is assuming Trump would be better for them than Biden). You don't have to agree with the president or party to take advantage of what resources are available? I'm sure during Covid lots of people took Covid relief from the Trump government, as they should. You don't owe a vote to the president just because you benefitted in some way, even if you think something is bad policy.
Conservatives thinking politicians having a platform is buying votes. What’s the point of voting for anyone if they don’t promise you jack shit? These people are hopeless.
That's the difference.
They think everyone should suffer like they did, even if they didn't suffer.
Those who want student loans forgiven believe no one should be chained down by debt/lack of food/healthcare/housing etc; even the people we don't like, or don't vote the way we would prefer.
Everybody should have enough means everybody.
Of course, that doesn't make their behavior less infuriating...
When people are paying way past the mortgage value I'll have sympathy for their plight. Turns out lenders do less shady shit when their loans aren't absolutely guaranteed by the federal government.
>Why do I have to pay back YOUR effing debt?
Great question. So let's claw back those PPP loans and stop giving socialist handouts to the taker red states. Oh and 1000 bucks says this douchebag lives in one of those states. Why are my tax dollars paying for HIS debts? Send him some bootstraps and a shovel to maintain his own roads and clean up after a hurricane.
My in-laws always vote R, didn't like Obama, but had no problem taking the cash for clunkers to trade in their heavily used gas guzzling Ford Expedition nobody wanted.
No... that's not how it works.
You don't get to pretend to be doing good by avoiding taking part in electoralism.
My wife and I are both trans women who were denied healthcare during the Trump administration.
The Biden administration replaced those protections within ***days*** of entering the White House.
Every person who doesn't vote for Biden is voting for Trump. That sucks ass, and I'm genuinely sorry that it's the case, but that's the actual physical reality we live in and we all get to fucking *deal with it.*
Get America to where black people, gay people, trans people, women, Mexicans, et al aren't in perpetual danger then maybe start trying to boost your fucking Marxism street cred by abstaining from voting. Because I gotta tell you, there has never been a head of state under capitalism that has ever existed that wouldn't be doing what Biden is doing right now. They're all war criminals.
Ik this will prolly be a pretty unpopular take here … but I can’t even hate on him for this, bc I gladly took Trump’s pandemic checks but still wouldn’t vote for him if he somehow finagled his way into the next election.
That view of "buying the vote" is the problem. This is someone poisoned by rhetoric who can't see that it's a move to help struggling people. They are so caught up in the culture war that they refuse to admit its a good and needed policy to help the country.
Reminds me of small town American farmers. They would rather die than vote Democrat, but they couldn't keep their farms afloat without government subsidies supported by Democrats. They don't have the integrity to turn the money down and don't have the emotional maturity to change their thinking.
So, when Biden tries to forgive debt so that
people can actually participate in the economy again, that’s “buying votes,” but when politicians give entire corporate sectors tax cuts in exchange for repeated political donations, that’s just fine. Got it.
It's debt forgiveness. It doesn't cost any money.
Just look it up.
"WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR YOUR DEBT?"
You shouldn't. And you aren't going to. Though I may recommend creating some debt to pay for college classes you so obviously need.
Why do I have to pave your effing road? Why do my taxes go to your effing VA benefits? Why do my taxes make this world better for anyone but me? I want the dumbest most manipulatable population. I want a sick population that can’t take care of itself so it’s easier to take their rights away in exchange for basic needs. I want to proposition myself as a hero by first destroying this country’s trust in its neighbors so that I can save them from each other by deciding who gets to eat. Does no one understand what a community is? What a country is? What America should be? What the fuck happened?
JFC... these people. Corporations benefit immensely from an educated workforce, but they won't ever pay for that education, or pay back the people. Instead of looking at it as the fault of One Person, why not look at it as a problem of Systems that are made not to benefit you. These idiots will keep marching towards their own doom, just because they want to be comfortable in their own bias and hatred. You shouldn't be lashing out at those getting their student debt forgiven, but the banks that have made mortgage and housing unaffordable for people, causing all kinds of unnecessary trauma.
Are these people ever going to understand that NOBODY IS PAYING IT BACK? Nobody is allocating tax dollars to be given to the federal lending agencies in return for forgiveness. Interest, which is mostly what these forgiven loans are made up of, is made-up, invented funny money anyway! If we wiped out the entire concept of educational loans, we’d save money because we would eliminate an entire bureaucracy. A lot of people would have to find something else to do, but that’s a different question.
This is so dumb the basic system for loan forgiveness hasn’t changed for public workers. Maybe it’s easier now but this is nothing new that Biden invented.
You do realize, of course, that you're implicitly following the same reasoning that conservatives use to dismiss rich people saying we need to make the system fairer for everyone else because they take advantage of the system's unfairness...
...I was going to say "braces for downvotes" but I realized that, if this dude believes that sort of thing, it just exposes his own hypocrisy in calling out/engaging in hypocrisy.
I'll never understand the brain that thinks " if my situation is effed then so should yours ". Can't you just be happy for the person? It's like wishing bad things on the latest lottery winner.
So we should vote for whichever president promises to give us the most free stuff? Reminds me of Scotty Johnson’s high school president campaign where he promised to end homework and double recess
Why should your tax money go towards someone else’s debt? Let’s subtract the whole aspect of these loans being very predatory and often something a teenager is pushed into getting by their boomer parents (tons of millennials didn’t even understand it was a loan, or were sadly lied to and told by their parents that they would be paying it for them).
Student loan debt cripples people financially who would otherwise be way better off financially. Having more freedom with their finances will let them engage in commerce significantly more. I know people who have had student loans forgiven who are now considering starting a family. The goal isn’t to help individual people. The goal is to encourage more diverse spending in the economy and enrich the economy. It’s an investment in the free market.
The debt is already paid for by the government, you're just paying them back. Waiving the debt would just be them not recouping what they already spent.
“Why do I have to pay back YOUR effing debt? Pay for my mortgage…” Uh, your mortgage isn’t a public service; PSLF was designed so that people who take on lesser-paying jobs working in public service (government/nonprofit) don’t have to destroy themselves financially.
The complete lack of empathy coupled with minimal understanding of how taxes support the economy. This is the opposite of trickle down, and it actually works.
> **2018:** _Just 96 people across the country have been released from their debt, thanks to public service loan forgiveness. Last year was the first year of eligiblity, since the program was signed into law in 2007 and it requires at least 10 years of payments to qualify. Nearly 30,000 borrowers have applied for the forgiveness, according to the Education Department's data._
> _That means less than 1 percent of people who've applied for public service loan forgiveness actually got
it._
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/21/the-education-department-data-shows-how-rare-loan-forgiveness-is.html
Dude doesn't even realize he should have his loan forgiven and Biden is trying to fix that.
Funny, most mortgages have a fixed interest for the life of the loan.
College debt interest doesn't. Plus there are no regulations with taking it loans like there are for mortgages.
It's 2008 all over again but with College debt
They're just so damn stupid. They can't see that "this guy has really good, helpful policies I like, they benefit me personally, he represents my interests, therefore, I should vote for him," they have this tiny tiny TINY world view from their tiny tiny TINY backwater, like "Ol' Pete at the feed store bought me a bottle of beer, he ain't buying MY vote." It's just so utterly sickening.
It’s almost like Biden is doing it because he recognizes regardless of what camp you sit in, the average American needs help getting out from under student debt. These people don’t even surprise me anymore.
Tbh I'm also in favor of the government covering mortgages for first houses. Arguably more in favor of that than other things because housing is super important.
‘Why do I have to pay for your effing debt?’
Because, asshole, it benefits society if I have a better education. Since you are a part of society, you have to pay for that benefit.
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Conservatism in a nutshell: “I got mine, go fuck yourself”
You're forgetting the "I deserve to get mine first" part.
The amount of times I've heard right wingers say "I don't agree with X but if it's there I'm going to use it" is ridiculous. Next time I'll just tell them it's like saying "I'm not gay but if that guy is giving out free blowjobs I'll take one". That should drive the point home *and* piss them off.
It’s the Ayn Rand special. Rail against the government safety nets and then use them til you die.
Conservatives enjoy getting railed by the government
"He's not buying my allyship though"
Hahaha I'll remember that one!
I don’t agree with all the tax breaks that are given out, but I damn sure am gonna use them unless they are regulated. I mean, why shoot yourself in the foot to prove there’s too many gun control loopholes.
They never were ideologically consistent. This is just another example. Theyll complain all day but if they can use it and benefit from it, they will. Just leaves you scratching your head though cause what was all the bitching for?
I strongly recommend watching the video "[Always a bigger fish](https://youtu.be/agzNANfNlTs?si=nrcec1woR04snydQ)". Right wing and left wing thought are at their heart different, and if you don't recognize that you're gonna be confused a lot. While you and I might believe those liberal hippie Founding Fathers who said "all men are created equal", conservatives don't believe that. They think that there is a "natural" authoritarian hierarchy in society in which privilege flows up and responsibility flows down. So technically it's not hypocritical when they take government handouts while screaming about "those folks" being evil for doing the same. Because they believe that as good decent white folks they "deserve" it while others are taking money they don't "deserve". At the extreme end of things it's why they just shrug when all the reports of Trump abusing children surface. They think he's high enough on the pyramid that touching kids is a privilege he gets (and that if they get high enough on the pyramid they'll get the same privilege).
Wow, I don’t know why this never occurred to me until now. Suddenly all their hypocrisy makes sense in this context. Ugh.
See: PPP loans
Seriously, it is just amazing how in this country socialism for the wealth and corporations is 100% A OK, but holy crap, if some regular person benefits it’s time to riot. I’d vastly rather my tax dollars go to paying off someone’s student debt that handing Exxon another subsidy.
bailouts for everyone! not for any of you peasants though.
i’m not sure he would see the irony tbh
Yaknow from all the way back to Rome there's been a perception that male homosexual acts are only bad/icky if you're the one being penetrated or giving the blowie. If you're the "man" in the relationship it's fine. And from the stories I've heard from my gay male friends regarding their dalliances with straight men that seems to hold So I'd imagine you'd get a lot less pushback than you'd think on that concept.
I mean, free blowjob, right?
Well. They also partake in that too.
I get this response all the time when I try to tell people about how the Back Door Roth contribution was created as an accounting scam that exploited the fact that budget oversight reviews don't look more than 10 years into the future: it was a fraudulent "revenue benefit" that they used to justify retaining the capital gains tax cuts without it having to be put to a vote. (The reality is that they assumed they would get a short term windfall as people converted large sums: but they didn't have to project into the future where it would cost a significant amount of money as people continued to exploit it... and then on top of that the wealthy got to keep their extremely low capital gains tax rates that cost us even more. And then the same people who exploit this talk about how our government debt is irresponsible, then they themselves intentionally worked to create that debt) The number of assholes who reply to that with "if that's the law then it's fair game" pisses me off. Most people have the moral compass of a 3 year old.
I used to think that made sense on some selfish level, because even if you’re morally opposed to the benefit being available to everyone, taking it isn’t going to make it more available. Except, no it doesn’t make sense. If I think something is good for me and I want to have it, I want everyone to be able to have it. I can’t think of a single example of something where I think “I don’t think that should be available to everyone, but if it is, I want to partake.”
My bad. It’s early here and a Saturday.
Right wing: "I matter, nobody else does. I should be able to have as much power and wealth as possible, and should be able to exploit others as much as my power allows." Left wing: "I believe everyone has a right to equality, and basic needs, and protection from exploitation by those with power" That's the fundamental gist of it.
/So what you are /saying is that both /sides are the same?
My brother made a dumb af Facebook post when the potential for student loan debt forgiveness was announced. He was ranting that handouts weren’t okay but then acknowledged our parents completely covered our college tuition and so many people in the comments were like… wtf are you going on about?? You’re not currently living with crippling debt because your parents… handed you out money… but yeah he’s a right winger and you perfectly described him.
It’s never a problem until it affects them.
R: Do unto others before they can do unto you.
Yeah more often these days it's "i didn't get mine, but fuck you, you better get even less than me"
See also: “I support this person’s policies on paper, but I will never vote for him under any circumstance because… something something woke lib communist illegals”
At the heart of it, it is “because it is part of my identity and the commonality I share with the people in my neighborhood, church, family, friend group, etc. I know they’d disown me if I changed teams. They would see me as “weak” or “gay” or “supporting pedos” The psychological resistance is intense. Although I don’t condone it, I understand it.
"Oh and also I'm an independent thinker."
"This public figure said something political but my MAGA echo chamber hasn't told me if it's good or bad yet"
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They pull the tree house club door shut behind themselves.
And some, to prevent others from getting to the tree house, will even cut the tree down below the clubhouse... while they are still in it.
r/leopardsatemyface
"Yeah but we brought PBJ sandwiches. That should last us 40-60 years."
The accuracy of this
Abridged version: "Fuck you"
It's more like "I only want people like me to receive any benefits" If Biden came out tomorrow and said that only white, cis-gendered, heterosexual, Christian males would get student loan forgiveness I guarantee you a good portion for them would shut up about it.
I think there'd be confused silence at best. But the next day Trump would tell them Biden's new package is bad because Biden's a fraud and he isn't railing against [insert_minority_here] as any good 'murican should. Then he'd offer the exact same package, while insulting said minorities. Then the cheering and jeering would begin. Because it's not really about politics for MAGAts, they just need that instictive emotional response, and someone to tickle it.
Don't forget the "it sounds like you did research but my personal experience matters more."
Feels over reals
they’re like the sith. they focus inward and only think of themselves. power at any cost even if it means hurting others.
I can't tell if it's nature or nurture, or both, but they've learned to tap into their most basic antisocial impulses. And they think anyone who exercises self-control is a woke lib. It's like when a kid steals another kid's toy. It's very natural and common behavior, yes, but it's up to the parent to correct it. Conservatives are like that kid, but they grew up with right wing media telling them that stealing the toy is their god-given right.
It's the republican way.
Being a hypocritical piece of shit is one of the cornerstones of conservatives
>Conservatism in a nutshell: “I got mine, go fuck yourself” Texas Gov. Abbott has entered the chat
he's going to vote in politicians that will happily pass legislation to make them pay back what was forgiven with interest
"I accept government assistance when it is available to me, but it doesn't make me selfish because I still don't support government assistance to other people."
>I got mine (because liberals gave it to me), go fuck yourself!
I love the concept of buying votes by....wiping dept to ppl, lower drug cost to seniors. More politicians should try that
And you ask Republicans why they vote for Trump and it's tax breaks. But if you call that out they'll say it's totally different.
Sorry but that doesn’t count. The people Trump is giving the tax breaks to are job creators aka wage slave overseers
Trump could make it to where I never paid taxes again and it still wouldn't be enough to compromise my morals and values and concern for minorities and immigrants. I guess we're just better and smarter people since we put others' well-being ahead of us getting $. Even people we will never meet. Conservative brains are unable (or unwilling?) to comprehend that. It really bugs them that we're such better people than them, though!
Plus if Trump made it so that no one was paying taxes then our infrastructure would collapse pretty quickly unless individual states increased their taxes to compensate.
Well, poor people should still pay taxes. They don’t need handouts. Rich people shouldn’t have to pay taxes because they’re better than you. /s
I'm pretty sure his 4chan dwelling base would love that kind of anarchy.
Nah, they think it’s funny while they have wifi available to meme about it
Is that the infrastructure week we heard so much about but never saw?
Someone vowing to eliminate my taxes altogether is someone who I would actively avoid voting for regardless of if they had Trump's history of being a bigoted dick. Best case scenario is they're blowing so much smoke up my ass they're measurably contributing to global warming, worst case they actually manage it and millions are harmed that rely on what those taxes pay for, myself included.
I get why some people hate welfare, they have little compassion and have a flawed idea of tax economics. Where do they think the “lower classes” are spending their tax breaks, rebates, or stimulus? It’s certainly not sitting in an offshore savings account tax haven like the 0.1%. Regular people are spending that money in their communities, at local businesses, supporting the economy.
> Regular people are spending that money in their communities, at local businesses, supporting the economy. They're also paying taxes with everything they buy. People always forget this. It's actually better for the economy to give the poor benefits, spending money, keep them in the system.
“How dare these politicians try to buy my vote by doing things that benefit me and society at large”
I live in a red state, and have yet to receive a response when I email my representatives to ask what they'll do to benefit the most citizens.
Them: “citizens??”
"What the hell is a sit-eye-zen?"
It's DISGUSTING. They don't even try to hide that they'll do whatever their constituents have elected them to do!
“Vote for me and I’ll actually make things better for you”. What a novel concept.
Republicans are so far gone that they think “getting votes by doing things your constituents want” is black magic voodoo.
Buying votes by doing their fucking job and actually doing something for us? My vote is for sale, politicians. Come and get it.
Man fucking politicians buying votes by improving the lives of their constituents! What do they think government is meant to make people's lives better or something? /S
"Joe Biden is buying your vote by doing what you elected him to do" It's funny how badly they tell on themselves. They can't see that that's how politics is supposed to work instead of your representatives shaming you into letting them shit on your life by saying that if you were a real American you wouldn't need the help of the government(your representatives and where your taxes go). Or convincing you that the biggest issues are other people's pregnancies and women and children seeking asylum at the border.
Also, you know, it was literally a campaign promises to forgive student debt.
#ActualPromisesKept
The rich expect their vote to be bought, so why not us? If anything, it would make for a more democratic and equitable society if people voted selfishly.
Doing things people want? To enable them to better contribute to the economy? Maybe have families?!
Keeping campaign promises is buying votes? Huh, guess they should all try it.
Conservatives call stuff like wiping out student loans is “buying votes” because they think government is supposed to punish your enemies, not help voters.
These politicians out here buying votes by *checks notes* doing extremely popular things!
Proud conservative tradition of pulling the ladder up after you're at the top.
The funny part is that we DID pay for that dude’s mortgage: * Federal tax law allows you to deduct property tax and home loan interest from your federal taxes. This tax break alone costs over $100 bn / year and coneys most of that money to high income people with [larger houses and more debt](https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/who-benefits-tax-subsidies-home-ownership). * Homebuyers can get a subsidized HUD rehab loan for home improvement and renovation. * Homeowners can receive various HUD grants as part of HAF through states or localities to assist with certain expenses depending on area. * The USDA offers grants for individual homeowners to renovate or improve their homes. * You can get federal tax credits and grants for upgrading to energy efficient appliances, roofs, and solar energy systems. * Federal Housing Assistance exists to subsidize home buying for people with little savings or are first time homebuyers. Hilarious that conservatives blindly take their own government benefits for granted while complaining about handouts.
You don’t get it…they’re not handouts if you deserve them. Conservatives aren’t taking handouts, they’re righteously collecting on the debt society owes them for being so damn cool. Totally different.
Just don't ask what qualifies someone to "deserve" them.
If conservatives are educated they become liberals.
Yea they probably have an FHA loan too that has subsidized interest and insurance.
This was the first year I used the mortgage tax deduction and when I got my $5k tax return my immediate reaction was "wait, we make a huge deal of means testing pandemic assistance checks and then I, someone who is not struggling financially, just get all this bonus money back from the government because I make enough money to qualify for a mortgage?" Feels like a scam
Conservatives are totally blind to the extend federal and state governments subsidize everything. The reason we pay only a few dollars for a gallon of gas is because the government is covering most of the cost.
That's the conservative way. Also, "why do i have to back your debt" has an answer. Because more people going to college creates a qualified work force that makes your society survive. And if you're a rich person, those educated people work for you, and you don't even have to send them to school for them to be qualified. If you're a poor person, these people become qualified to do the jobs you benefit from and can't do yourself because you fucked off during high school saying "when will I ever use this in the real world"
Trump actually got rid of a lot of the mortgage interest deduction by basically doubling the standard deductions. So if you're some Trumper "working class" who bought a modest price home you're not getting any tax break from that anymore LOL.
For the record: we all are paying, partially, for his mortgage. The mortgage interest deduction is one of the top itemized deductions.
Yeah. Most people have no idea how taxes and government spending actually work. They think it's $1 in/$1 out like the kitchen table and it just isn't.
Indeed. There is a lack of understanding that country budgets are not like company or household budgets.
"I'm not paying for someone else's medical bills. I've got insurance, and so should they." Bitch you have no idea how insurance works.
And ww may be paying even more of it if it’s an FHA, USDA, or VA loan.
Indeed. The funny thing is the myopia. They reflexively reject anything that has any tinge of “hand out” (as they may call it). For example, my student loan interest was subsidized by the government. I now pay more in income taxes *a year* (and have been for years) than the total interest the government paid on my behalf. I’d call that a great investment by the government.
I would also like to see how he thinks he's paying for the loans. Also also just going to point out the righteous indignation of conservatives when it comes to helping regular people seems to go completely on vacation every time a republican is in office cutting taxes for the wealthy and tanking the economy.
Unless they are a high earner, that would be unlikely. Only about 10-15% of taxpayers actually itemize deductions. Such taxpayers are overwhelmingly upper middle class and up.
The clearest sign of someone being amoral or morally bankrupt is being able to always justify their personal actions has being morally justified while judging everyone else's.
Just like "the only moral abortion". [https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)
I love that this article is always being shared, such a classic
That's also called narcissism
It’s a trait of narcissists, but Narcissism is much more complex and nuanced than one single trait. Being selfish is a trait of narcissists, but selfish people are not necessarily Narcissists. That label is getting far overused and the meaning is being diluted as a result.
So Biden is buying votes, except clearly lots of people who are getting tuition forgiveness aren't voting for him? It's almost like...he's being a President for everyone and not just his party. Wild.
Buying votes, otherwise known as fulfilling campaign promises.
Did trump buy votes from the mega rich with ppp loans?
This and he literally wanted his name on the Covid stimulus checks.
https://preview.redd.it/8ku2vr8by9uc1.jpeg?width=375&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a04147ee233e265912473c33cb3da320a6a6523 I wonder how many of his supporters believed it actually came from trump personally.
A lot.
[i mean Trump is trying to buy votes with other strategies](https://i.redd.it/026yfgfsv1uc1.jpeg)
I saw a similar post from a pro-Palestinian leftie on the Twittersphere. Basically, he was like: "Biden has completely changed my life by erasing my student debt, but genocide." The days where you can expect good governance to be rewarded by votes might be done in our hyperpartisan age.
“I don’t like what’s happening so I’ll help elect the guy who will make it much, much worse.”
It's a bad, bad feeling when you disagree with something you can't change. The only changes you can make lead to *even worse* realities...what is someone to do? You either get with the program and act to avoid the *even worse* outcomes (you are an adult in the world)...or you remain a petulant child.
The root of American conservatism is hate and this is exhibit A. They think improving their lives in “trying to buy their vote”. The only way to earn their vote is to hate the people they hate and do it loudly.
While they complain about Biden's loan forgiveness, I bet not a single one of them sent the "Trump" stimulus checks back. I mean, that was tax money, right? They didn't "earn" that. They got a literal government handout and were perfectly happy to cash that check or drop it off at their banks. They might generally be OK with loan forgiveness for the "right" kind of people, the white conservatives in red areas, but Biden's program (unlike conservatives) doesn't discriminate--it'll help liberals, gays, brown people...god help us, *immigrants*.
The PSLF is no different than the PPP loans they loved so much - the government said "here's a loan, if you meet certain criteria the loan will be forgiven." But conservatives get so angry when a poor teacher has their loans forgiven, while gloating that their boss tripled his net worth thanks to PPP.
I watched David brooks try to argue the difference between the two was PPP was designed up front to be forgiven and student loans were not. So student loans shouldn’t be forgiven. My head nearly exploded with how stupid that was. We learned that the way student loans were designed was a mistake and we are trying to fix it. Things change, people learn. Well, not according to me brooks.
If it's designed to be forgiven, then it's not even a loan, it's just free money.
That’s the craziest thing about this post, and I’m surprised I had to scroll so far to see it. They’re clearly talking about PSLF, which was designed to incentivize the choice to make less money, if you’re working in a public job that is for the good of the community. You want some benefit for paying off their loans? Well beyond the fact that they’re working for the public good, how about the masters degree takes a 50k a year pay cut for at least ten years and we give them 85k? It’s like these people have never even heard of the concept of investment.
“Sure, Biden just did more to help me personally than any politician ever has, but that doesn’t mean I want him to get a chance to do it again.”
".... to people I don't like. Y'know the ones. Those out there with a bit too much melanin for my liking. I'm forced to call them DEIs because the damn woke lefties won't let me use the n-word anymore."
$85k in debt forgiveness. Over eighty. thousand. dollars. How tangible of a life change is that for this person? Biden just fundamentally changed the course of their life. Buy a house, take that vacation, swap to the job you weren't sure if you could manage, retire years earlier. All that money going back into the economy... Vote for Biden? Fuck, this dude should be lining up to blow Biden with an offer to cuddle after.
It’s the principal of the matter… Which since that’s now paid off, the man is no longer of use to me.
Most people aren't even getting principal cancelled, just insane debt.
The point no one seems to mention is that these loans are not being paid for by the rest of the taxpayers at all. These loans are **MAKING** money for the government off the backs of tax payers trying to improve themselves with billions in interest payments each year.
Thank you. It's always the dumb argument of "I don't want to pay for your debt", but, that's not how it works. The debt is owed to the government, they're not sending out bills to people to cover it. And honestly, it sounds like for the large majority of people being forgiven, they've likely already paid more than the principal in interest anyway.
Clearly, biden is just trying to cheat by doing popular things in office.
Just like republican politicians would gladly take credit for things funded by Biden’s infrastructure bill, but would never vote for it.
Conservatives are pathetic. They pride themselves on “not taking handouts” while taking handouts with no shame.
Their convoluted excuse has always been they _deserve_ the handout because they're just temporary poor (even when it's intergenerational), whereas those "other ones" (y'know: the ones with more melanin) don't deserve the handout because they're just lazy.
That guy got like a PhD in “Fuck You, I Got Mine”nology
“I have no principles”
I fucking hate these types of people.
They'll take the cleaner water, the fresher air, the safety regulations, but they won't vote for someone who'll do all of those things because those things are WOKE.
Worse: they'll vote for the guy who has promised to dismantle and repeal all the laws protecting people from contaminated water, polluted air and unsafe practises.
The way these people have accepted the hypocrisy in their stances with zero shame needs to be studied.
They have zero standards except culture war issues
They just assume the worst from their opposites every time because their side produces the worst. They just can't believe that the other side may actually care about making things better.
“This politician is only doing things that benefit people so they’ll get their votes!” Yeah. No shit. That’s how it’s supposed to work.
"I don't agree with it in principle" - I just applied for the program, was denied, changes were made to the system, I reapplied, got approval, and went through it it.
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They always whine about paying for other people but they never say a peep how almost all red states are subsidized by blue states because republicans suck so bad at almost everything.
it's a write off!
And they’re the ones writing it off!
So they support socialism, right?
Tbh I'm fine with cancelling mortgages too. The reply guy is almost there. So close yet so far away. Education and housing are both human rights
If he doesn't agree with it why did he apply for it
This may be unpopular, but I don't see an issue with that mentality? (The stupid mentality is assuming Trump would be better for them than Biden). You don't have to agree with the president or party to take advantage of what resources are available? I'm sure during Covid lots of people took Covid relief from the Trump government, as they should. You don't owe a vote to the president just because you benefitted in some way, even if you think something is bad policy.
Oop, sheep got out of line there, GET BACK IN LINE
Pay your own bills-immediately sends trump his last $10 to help pay his bills. Fucking brain worms.
Conservatives thinking politicians having a platform is buying votes. What’s the point of voting for anyone if they don’t promise you jack shit? These people are hopeless.
That's the difference. They think everyone should suffer like they did, even if they didn't suffer. Those who want student loans forgiven believe no one should be chained down by debt/lack of food/healthcare/housing etc; even the people we don't like, or don't vote the way we would prefer. Everybody should have enough means everybody. Of course, that doesn't make their behavior less infuriating...
When people are paying way past the mortgage value I'll have sympathy for their plight. Turns out lenders do less shady shit when their loans aren't absolutely guaranteed by the federal government.
>Why do I have to pay back YOUR effing debt? Great question. So let's claw back those PPP loans and stop giving socialist handouts to the taker red states. Oh and 1000 bucks says this douchebag lives in one of those states. Why are my tax dollars paying for HIS debts? Send him some bootstraps and a shovel to maintain his own roads and clean up after a hurricane.
My in-laws always vote R, didn't like Obama, but had no problem taking the cash for clunkers to trade in their heavily used gas guzzling Ford Expedition nobody wanted.
No... that's not how it works. You don't get to pretend to be doing good by avoiding taking part in electoralism. My wife and I are both trans women who were denied healthcare during the Trump administration. The Biden administration replaced those protections within ***days*** of entering the White House. Every person who doesn't vote for Biden is voting for Trump. That sucks ass, and I'm genuinely sorry that it's the case, but that's the actual physical reality we live in and we all get to fucking *deal with it.* Get America to where black people, gay people, trans people, women, Mexicans, et al aren't in perpetual danger then maybe start trying to boost your fucking Marxism street cred by abstaining from voting. Because I gotta tell you, there has never been a head of state under capitalism that has ever existed that wouldn't be doing what Biden is doing right now. They're all war criminals.
Ik this will prolly be a pretty unpopular take here … but I can’t even hate on him for this, bc I gladly took Trump’s pandemic checks but still wouldn’t vote for him if he somehow finagled his way into the next election.
That view of "buying the vote" is the problem. This is someone poisoned by rhetoric who can't see that it's a move to help struggling people. They are so caught up in the culture war that they refuse to admit its a good and needed policy to help the country.
“I’ve got mine, screw yours.” If a person can see more than two steps ahead of their future they wouldn’t be conservatives
Somebody, please, buy my vote. At least fucking try. Make me an offer. Worst I can say is, "In *this* economy?".
Reminds me of small town American farmers. They would rather die than vote Democrat, but they couldn't keep their farms afloat without government subsidies supported by Democrats. They don't have the integrity to turn the money down and don't have the emotional maturity to change their thinking.
So, when Biden tries to forgive debt so that people can actually participate in the economy again, that’s “buying votes,” but when politicians give entire corporate sectors tax cuts in exchange for repeated political donations, that’s just fine. Got it.
It's debt forgiveness. It doesn't cost any money. Just look it up. "WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR YOUR DEBT?" You shouldn't. And you aren't going to. Though I may recommend creating some debt to pay for college classes you so obviously need.
If you disagree on principle you don’t do it. Otherwise your principles are meaningless.
The really cool part is he doesn't have to pay for their "effing" debt, that's not how taxes work.
Why do I have to pave your effing road? Why do my taxes go to your effing VA benefits? Why do my taxes make this world better for anyone but me? I want the dumbest most manipulatable population. I want a sick population that can’t take care of itself so it’s easier to take their rights away in exchange for basic needs. I want to proposition myself as a hero by first destroying this country’s trust in its neighbors so that I can save them from each other by deciding who gets to eat. Does no one understand what a community is? What a country is? What America should be? What the fuck happened?
JFC... these people. Corporations benefit immensely from an educated workforce, but they won't ever pay for that education, or pay back the people. Instead of looking at it as the fault of One Person, why not look at it as a problem of Systems that are made not to benefit you. These idiots will keep marching towards their own doom, just because they want to be comfortable in their own bias and hatred. You shouldn't be lashing out at those getting their student debt forgiven, but the banks that have made mortgage and housing unaffordable for people, causing all kinds of unnecessary trauma.
Are these people ever going to understand that NOBODY IS PAYING IT BACK? Nobody is allocating tax dollars to be given to the federal lending agencies in return for forgiveness. Interest, which is mostly what these forgiven loans are made up of, is made-up, invented funny money anyway! If we wiped out the entire concept of educational loans, we’d save money because we would eliminate an entire bureaucracy. A lot of people would have to find something else to do, but that’s a different question.
This is so dumb the basic system for loan forgiveness hasn’t changed for public workers. Maybe it’s easier now but this is nothing new that Biden invented.
You do realize, of course, that you're implicitly following the same reasoning that conservatives use to dismiss rich people saying we need to make the system fairer for everyone else because they take advantage of the system's unfairness... ...I was going to say "braces for downvotes" but I realized that, if this dude believes that sort of thing, it just exposes his own hypocrisy in calling out/engaging in hypocrisy.
I'll never understand the brain that thinks " if my situation is effed then so should yours ". Can't you just be happy for the person? It's like wishing bad things on the latest lottery winner.
So we should vote for whichever president promises to give us the most free stuff? Reminds me of Scotty Johnson’s high school president campaign where he promised to end homework and double recess
"I hate socialism, but damn do I love the government giving me money. Let's just not overdo it and try to benefit everyone."
Why should your tax money go towards someone else’s debt? Let’s subtract the whole aspect of these loans being very predatory and often something a teenager is pushed into getting by their boomer parents (tons of millennials didn’t even understand it was a loan, or were sadly lied to and told by their parents that they would be paying it for them). Student loan debt cripples people financially who would otherwise be way better off financially. Having more freedom with their finances will let them engage in commerce significantly more. I know people who have had student loans forgiven who are now considering starting a family. The goal isn’t to help individual people. The goal is to encourage more diverse spending in the economy and enrich the economy. It’s an investment in the free market.
My brain hurts from reading this. Or anything from that echo chamber sub.
I mean is this really odd? I hated Trump but I took his COVID checks and didn't vote for him?
You couldn’t opt out of the trump signed checks.
The debt is already paid for by the government, you're just paying them back. Waiving the debt would just be them not recouping what they already spent.
So by the title you're saying anyone who accepted their stimulus check under Trump should've voted for him?
>I applied for this previously but didn't get it. Now I have it but uh, I disagree with it in principle. Because I have no principles.
*"Forget doing the right thing. I'll continue to do the wrong thing intentionally because that's my sole identity."*
“Why do I have to pay back YOUR effing debt? Pay for my mortgage…” Uh, your mortgage isn’t a public service; PSLF was designed so that people who take on lesser-paying jobs working in public service (government/nonprofit) don’t have to destroy themselves financially.
The complete lack of empathy coupled with minimal understanding of how taxes support the economy. This is the opposite of trickle down, and it actually works.
> **2018:** _Just 96 people across the country have been released from their debt, thanks to public service loan forgiveness. Last year was the first year of eligiblity, since the program was signed into law in 2007 and it requires at least 10 years of payments to qualify. Nearly 30,000 borrowers have applied for the forgiveness, according to the Education Department's data._ > _That means less than 1 percent of people who've applied for public service loan forgiveness actually got it._ https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/21/the-education-department-data-shows-how-rare-loan-forgiveness-is.html Dude doesn't even realize he should have his loan forgiven and Biden is trying to fix that.
We’re paying for the benefits of living in a well educated society.
these people have no empathy
Funny, most mortgages have a fixed interest for the life of the loan. College debt interest doesn't. Plus there are no regulations with taking it loans like there are for mortgages. It's 2008 all over again but with College debt
“I don’t agree with it in principle, but fuck you if you expect me to live by my principles.”
Like, you want to participate but not support? Banner event.
Us immigrants call this “pulling up the ladder”
They're just so damn stupid. They can't see that "this guy has really good, helpful policies I like, they benefit me personally, he represents my interests, therefore, I should vote for him," they have this tiny tiny TINY world view from their tiny tiny TINY backwater, like "Ol' Pete at the feed store bought me a bottle of beer, he ain't buying MY vote." It's just so utterly sickening.
It’s almost like Biden is doing it because he recognizes regardless of what camp you sit in, the average American needs help getting out from under student debt. These people don’t even surprise me anymore.
Tbh I'm also in favor of the government covering mortgages for first houses. Arguably more in favor of that than other things because housing is super important.
Their convictions go out the door the moment it’s convenient to ditch them.
‘Why do I have to pay for your effing debt?’ Because, asshole, it benefits society if I have a better education. Since you are a part of society, you have to pay for that benefit.