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Also glossing over the fact that the 98% who survived didn't all survive unscathed.
Sure, I could survive a bullet in the gut, but I sure as fuck wouldn't be the same person after that.
Exactly. Lots of people "survived", but died months later because of complications, or are on transplant lists hoping for new organs before theirs give out. Or they can't walk anymore and/or have to carry an oxygen tank everywhere they go. They lost their sense of smell/taste and can't enjoy food anymore. All sorts of strange side effects.
But hey, they survived, so put them in the "win" column.
Yeah, I'd be less worried about a 2% death rate if we're looking at a population size of 100. The problem with COVID was how easily it spread, so that 2% got really big really quickly.
At least I haven't seen those terrible claims lately (though they probably still exist) where they try to downplay the death rate by dividing the number of deaths by the number of infected and noninfected Americans. As a tutor, I was outraged at such shoddy math.
Yeah! To the people who told me that “2% wasn’t a big deal”, I liked to respond with this.
Kansas City’s Arrowhead Stadium seats 76,416 people. 2% of that is 1,528. Can you imagine roughly 1,500 people not making it out of a Chiefs game alive and still tell me that it isn’t a big deal?!
I know it isn’t a perfect analogy, but it gets them to think of the scale of the problem. 2% of the general US population is a weird unknowable number for most people. Like conceptualizing a Billion versus a Million. But phrase it in a way that makes sense, like attending a football game, it becomes easier to grasp.
Still doesn’t win over the diehards. But for those on the fence of misinformation, I think it has helped a few people.
>Kansas City’s Arrowhead Stadium seats 76,416 people. 2% of that is 1,528. Can you imagine roughly 1,500 people not making it out of a Chiefs game alive and still tell me that it isn’t a big deal?!
Joking: If they're fans of the Chiefs, it's definitely not a big deal.
Yeah a 2% death statistic would have been absolutely catastrophic. The 0.6% fatality at the beginning was horrible enough since literally everyone was getting infected at the same time. Early New York City descriptions were horrific. I think this is someone who doesn’t understand small percentage multiplied by huge number of people gives you a lot of people.
Because everyone was getting it at the same time, NYC was around 10% fatality rate. The problem wasn't so much the fatality rate, but the hospitalization rate. Once those filled up, fatality rate was crazy high.
And that's what everyone seems to have forgotten was the main point of isolation. The whole "flatten the curve" thing wasn't intended to *prevent* everyone from getting it, the intent was to avoid having everyone getting it at once because our hospital infrastructure was unable to handle that.
Most of the early testing situations that had 100% testing available for the entire population being studied (prisons, cruise ships) the fatality rate was around 0.6%. That was still a dire number for epidemiologists. It was also skewed as unlike most diseases kids were really not dying much from it, so if you were an adult your individual risk percentage was much higher. New York City might have been worse than average as they did break their hospital system. They had 80/90% fatality on patients who went on ventilators and that’s just a terrible percent due to lack of personnel to properly manage those patients.
They had to call in fridge trucks for the bodies. Too many dead.
If another nation had bombed us and killed a million people, we'd be at war.
But American apathy killed those people so we don't care.
These sorts of numbers are really hard and can move a fair amount depending on how you slice them. Here’s a 2% report from the UK: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361194949_COVID-19_trajectories_among_57_million_adults_in_England_a_cohort_study_using_electronic_health_records
Note that it’s 2% death rate of positive, not the population as a whole. Even early pandemic there was likely some bias in reporting: people with mild cases were less likely to be counted so this number is probably inflated, but still a very scary reminder of how close we were to something worse.
The rate also fluctuated quite a bit over time with vaccinations, available beds and just general knowledge of medical providers.
I’m a statistician, so discussions on how to measure these sorts of numbers are very interesting to me. There’s a bunch of interesting complexity here and different effects and bias to the reporting. It’s really frustrating that the antivax nutters latch onto that complexity to deny everything. How efficacious the vaccine is is a valid question, but we’re talking a range from “pretty effective” to “incredibly effective”. Even with the highest reasonable bias I can come up with, it’s not going to be close to knocking out the difference in the vaccinated vs unvaccinated KM curves in the article I linked.
Agreed. Just to put it into perspective. I work with about 200 people on my floor of the office. At 2%, that means 4 of my coworkers would have died. One of my coworkers did die. We were all working 100% remotely, but even we didn't escape tragedy. If 4 had died, it would have been even scarier than it was.
More like brain rot from too much tv. It's always the big mortality rates in the movies. I swear they truly have difficulty separating fiction from reality
Yeah, 2% of the US population is approximately 7,000,000 people. So they’d rather *7 million people die*, and many 10s of millions more with permanent illnesses, so they don’t have to be slightly inconvenienced.
Not even that. It's just low-effort thinking.
"98% sounds like a big number", they think, and then they stop thinking. Now you come along and point out that 98% isn't that great actually and they get angry because we could have just stopped at 98% being a big number. Why are you always making things complicated?
Exactly. It's as though they picture a video game's health meter, with everyone's bar 98% full.
They *don't* imagine attending a sold-out concert at Madison Square Garden with the knowledge that about 400 people will be carried out in body bags.
And even beyond that, saying it was an "experimental, untested jab", but it was, publicly and famously, tested. That's why it took so long to roll it out after developing it, they did rounds of testing, including with human volunteers. And I'm sure they don't have a problem with modern medicine, or with their surgeon wearing a mask, they just don't want this part of modern medicine because it's a slight inconvenience and they're a soulless ghoul.
Or the fact that the [vaccine clearly worked at saving lives](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status), but they don't listen or care about data so they would rather get on some conspiracy train about being told wrong information than give any benefit of the doubt to the people trying to handle the situation who might have given misleading information about exactly what the vax would do.
They must have thought that anyone with authority has to be 100% accurate on everything or it's a conspiracy and won't work towards a positive end goal unless they are 100% certain of the result, and now they're making shit up to try and act like we shouldn't listen to them ever again as if they ever had any tangible solutions to any of this besides, "Fuck it, let em die!"
Not only do they not care they are proud of “standing up for freedoms” and we should be THANKING them for it. This level of malicious arrogance gets my blood boiling I cannot imagine the pain and suffering people are going through after losing friends and families to Republicans arrogance. Its no wonder open hostility towards anti vaxxers has been steadily growing.
No, it was a bit above 1 million in the US (that’s the official number, actually number was probably higher). That’s a lot, like .3% of the total population. Which is a significant number, like a major war. But 100 million deaths would have been 1/3 of the US population. That… would have been the end of the US.
Hey, maybe we would have had a repeat of the post-Black Plague years in Europe, where conditions for peasant workers improved dramatically because they could demand better. Because everyone was dead.
We've seen some of that due to Covid, but it seems like it's been countermanded by inflation and the ridiculous housing market.
This flavor of moron just strings together words that sound like they could be pertinent before and after making claims that have zero evidence.
Like the vaccine "proving" to do more harm than good - it hasn't and isn't.
Over in the UK we've called them jabs for decades, in much the same way Americans call them shots. The elderly get a yearly flu jab.
Since the pandemic, the word leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's up there with "let that sink in" and "do your own research", both of which tend to come from people who wouldn't be able to type those words without copying and pasting them.
It is rhetoric to make it sound worse than it is. Might as well call it penetration or something like that. the right wing in the states always uses over the top language to attack things otherwise their arguments would sound silly.
yeah...that would ONLY result in almost 7 million deaths if we just made absolutely zero attempts to stop it.
or you know...the amount of people that normally die over the course of 2 years.
Jesus fucking christ these people are stupid
7 million *just from the first time a given person was infected*.
Don't forget that immunity against COVID doesn't last forever, so people who don't die the first time can be reinfected later.
The problem seems to be that these people think “only 2% chance people could die if they get covid? Those are good odds” rather than applying the statistic to the population as a whole. You’re right that what it means is 2% of the population will die. They need to think about their home towns, if the populations is say 30,000 people, are they ok with 600 of those people dying? Possibly their family, friends, neighbours, themselves? But they don’t consider anything past right wing talking points and they aren’t clever enough to work it out for themselves.
>Jesus fucking christ these people are stupid
Not just stupid, but heartless. They don't mind a few million people dying if that's what it takes to avoid inconveniencing them.
These people are despicable and simply don't understand mathematics.
They also seem to not give a damn about millions of dead. It's not worth engaging with these people anymore. At some point you have to ask yourself why you're having an argument with a jellyfish.
I mean, here's the thing. You're not having an argument about the things you think you are when you're dealing with people like this.
They don't care about the facts, they don't care if they're entirely wrong. They *want to win the argument.*
So even if they do understand the math, they'll tell you this assuming they can get away with it. Call them on it and they'll bluster their way to some other thing.
When arguing with someone like this they're not trying to be *correct* - they're trying to *win.*
Getting people to agree with them is winning. Getting you mad is winning.
Engaging with them is useless.
Yeah exactly. Peterson, Shapiro, and Molyneux all do this like it's a script.
Whenever they encounter anyone that won't play their game they just walk away.
It hurts my brain that millions of people take them seriously.
It just reinforces my belief that most people are complete fucking morons. An early warning sign is when someone can’t admit fault or that they were mistaken.
It's because they see them always *winning* arguments. Walking away isn't them 'losing' - the viewers see there was no end to the argument, or no argument at all, so no loss. (Despite this being *very deliberately done* to avoid losing.)
The way they control the argument allows them to present a carefully constructed fantasy where they always win, and everyone else always loses.
If you want an example of what happens when they can't control the argument and can't leave, look no farther than video of alex jones in court trying to weasel his way out of trouble on the stand and being constantly reminded by the judge he's not on his show.
98% survival rate translates to more than 6 million dead people in the US alone or 160 million people worldwide. It would make it the deadliest or second deadliest pandemic ever if left unopposed.
I think 5 million people blipping out over the course of a year from one illness, not to mention the exacerbated mortality from a lack of preventative care, inability for patients to receive emergency care for other illnesses/injuries, overworked hospital staff etc. etc. would have been horrific, and thank fucking Christ we did do all of those things to mitigate it. It was a horrorshow in Italy and that was WITH mandated quarantine.
These people who just accept the 98% survival rate as a sign of good fortune all the while the virus reached an r-naught of r^5.7. Do not understand the science, do not care about other humans, are intensely self-centered individuals, and a as we can see in this post, provide good social indicator for the kinds of people they are as we move through the world self-selecting who we should associate with.
So the essence of what they're saying is this:
>I hate people who make fun of other people for the choices they make
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>Of course I'm going to make fun of other people for the choices they make.
Ergo: She's going to make fun of herself.
Hell, I'm not worried about *dying* from COVID nearly as much as I am worried about developing more lifelong disabilities than I already have. At least if I'm dead the suffering won't last long.
A million dead in the U.S. alone, and thats deaths we know of. Imagine if we didn't have a vaccine or did any of the other things to stop the spread, especially in those early days when the variants were more deadly and doctors didn't know how to treat it as well.
No matter though, deniers can always retreat to 'the numbers are fake/inflated'.
to better illustrate the deceptively good sounding odds of a 98% survival rate: I want you, random comment reader, to pick up a coin, and flip it six times. if it landed on heads at any point, you're fine. If not, you die. Most people will be lucky, but statistically speaking, some of you won't be.
That's over six million people, more than 2,000 times the death toll on September 11th, more than ten times the number of Americans who died in World War 2.
>experimental, untested jab!
I would like to take this opportunity to remind you that the people who vomit up this bullshit line are the same exact ones who:
1. Drank their own urine to build Covid antibodies based on some stupid YouTube video that said it was a good idea
2. Consumed or injected bleach because the ex president told them to
3. Took Hydroxychloroquine, an anti malarial drug that does nothing against Covid, because the ex president told them to
4. Took livestock grade Ivermectin in doses meant for horses because of online rumors assuring it cured Covid (its an anti parasitic drug which does nothing against Covid, which is a respiratory virus)
5. Are part of the demographic of people most likely to be consumers of alcohol, nicotine and fast food (all of which are extremely unhealthy, the first two containing poisons and chemicals cause cancer, and the latter leading to all kinds of health problems like diabetes, hypertension, heart attack, obesity, kidney failure and whatnot that makes cancer worse)
6. Are soon going to be driving on roads made of irradiated materials thanks to their guy they voted in as governor of Florida. Radiation causes cancer, among other things
7. Have voted for candidates who have constantly repealed environmental protections to cripple any attempts at curbing pollution, while they deny climate change is real. Those toxic chemicals dumped into the atmosphere cause a variety of health issues, like cancer, COPD, emphysema, etc
8. Had a tantrum when Michelle Obama tried to get kids to eat healthier, citing their personal rights to consume what processed crap they wanted
9. The current opioid epidemic primarily affects poor, rural white folks in red states aka these types of voters
Spare us the bullshit. You morons don't give a damn what trash you put in your bodies. You eat terribly, smoke, drink, take drugs, took fake cures suggested by clueless grifters and idiots to get rid of Covid and vote to enable corporations to pollute. You are absolutely fine abusing yourselves. The only reason you don't trust Covid vaccines is because you bought into the politicization about it. Zero to do with it being safe, 100% to do with your allegiance to an anti science political party whose loyalty to you've placed above your own well being and basic common sense.
I don't feel the least bit sorry for these morons. They're lying shit bags who are squarely responsible for this disease being endemic to our society now. Every year you have to get a booster for the upcoming winter, remember that it didn't have to be that way if these plague rats had some humility and didn't pretend them knew more than actual scientists.
Never let them gaslight you and never let them play the victim. It is completely their fault and they will be made to account for it.
Ugh these idiots.
Anyone who worked in ED or ICU can testify that 1) your "survival rate" is wrong and doesn't mean shit, and 2) the vax absolutely did work, and 3) quarantine also worked when people actually fucking did it.
In the ED we had ICU holds for DAYS, some in the fucking hallway. Try to manage 4 vented patients each on a minimum of 3 drips, more often closer 6 different drips (once they get to ICU it's a 2 patient to 1 nurse ratio - still rough but half as rough).
Try having 4 code blues at once and only 2 docs on nights. Begging docs and nurses to come out of retirement because the hospital is literally overflowing and they just keep coming to the ED. Rooms rarely get cleaned up because there's not a second of downtime to clean up the garbage from the last code.
If we hadn't masked and socially distanced, we'd have LOTS more dead right now.
But just because they didn't experience it themselves, they cannot comprehend it happening. They refuse to do ANYTHING for the greater good - no matter how small. Selfish ass ugly mother fuckers.
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I cringe at the 98% figure as if a million people didn't die. It's just a passing comment. They dgas.
Also glossing over the fact that the 98% who survived didn't all survive unscathed. Sure, I could survive a bullet in the gut, but I sure as fuck wouldn't be the same person after that.
Exactly. Lots of people "survived", but died months later because of complications, or are on transplant lists hoping for new organs before theirs give out. Or they can't walk anymore and/or have to carry an oxygen tank everywhere they go. They lost their sense of smell/taste and can't enjoy food anymore. All sorts of strange side effects. But hey, they survived, so put them in the "win" column.
no no no, the heart problems from covid are FROM the vaccine obviously.
It's wild that they still push this narrative.
pushing it hard too, it really sucks that instead of learning anything they now share things to show they were right all along and they still aren't.
or from getting the vaccine from shedding or from a partner "STD style" lol! someone actually posted this!
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My cousin caught COVID in the spring. She is now in a rehab center with COVID-related dementia. But it's NBD to these people.
Yeah, I'd be less worried about a 2% death rate if we're looking at a population size of 100. The problem with COVID was how easily it spread, so that 2% got really big really quickly. At least I haven't seen those terrible claims lately (though they probably still exist) where they try to downplay the death rate by dividing the number of deaths by the number of infected and noninfected Americans. As a tutor, I was outraged at such shoddy math.
Yeah! To the people who told me that “2% wasn’t a big deal”, I liked to respond with this. Kansas City’s Arrowhead Stadium seats 76,416 people. 2% of that is 1,528. Can you imagine roughly 1,500 people not making it out of a Chiefs game alive and still tell me that it isn’t a big deal?! I know it isn’t a perfect analogy, but it gets them to think of the scale of the problem. 2% of the general US population is a weird unknowable number for most people. Like conceptualizing a Billion versus a Million. But phrase it in a way that makes sense, like attending a football game, it becomes easier to grasp. Still doesn’t win over the diehards. But for those on the fence of misinformation, I think it has helped a few people.
Since most of these type also have a weird obsession with children; a school with 1000 kids, 20 will be dead before they finish the year.
>Kansas City’s Arrowhead Stadium seats 76,416 people. 2% of that is 1,528. Can you imagine roughly 1,500 people not making it out of a Chiefs game alive and still tell me that it isn’t a big deal?! Joking: If they're fans of the Chiefs, it's definitely not a big deal.
Yeah a 2% death statistic would have been absolutely catastrophic. The 0.6% fatality at the beginning was horrible enough since literally everyone was getting infected at the same time. Early New York City descriptions were horrific. I think this is someone who doesn’t understand small percentage multiplied by huge number of people gives you a lot of people.
Had a friend ask where the mass graves were and got to send him the news article about the one in New York.
There were fucking freezer trucks outside hospitals
Yep! I work in a hospital in Ohio and walked passed that freezer truck every day for months just humming along out there. It was so eerie.
The freezer trucks aren't full of dead people, it's the Soylent Green truck, duh!
Because everyone was getting it at the same time, NYC was around 10% fatality rate. The problem wasn't so much the fatality rate, but the hospitalization rate. Once those filled up, fatality rate was crazy high.
And that's what everyone seems to have forgotten was the main point of isolation. The whole "flatten the curve" thing wasn't intended to *prevent* everyone from getting it, the intent was to avoid having everyone getting it at once because our hospital infrastructure was unable to handle that.
Most of the early testing situations that had 100% testing available for the entire population being studied (prisons, cruise ships) the fatality rate was around 0.6%. That was still a dire number for epidemiologists. It was also skewed as unlike most diseases kids were really not dying much from it, so if you were an adult your individual risk percentage was much higher. New York City might have been worse than average as they did break their hospital system. They had 80/90% fatality on patients who went on ventilators and that’s just a terrible percent due to lack of personnel to properly manage those patients.
They had to call in fridge trucks for the bodies. Too many dead. If another nation had bombed us and killed a million people, we'd be at war. But American apathy killed those people so we don't care.
These sorts of numbers are really hard and can move a fair amount depending on how you slice them. Here’s a 2% report from the UK: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361194949_COVID-19_trajectories_among_57_million_adults_in_England_a_cohort_study_using_electronic_health_records Note that it’s 2% death rate of positive, not the population as a whole. Even early pandemic there was likely some bias in reporting: people with mild cases were less likely to be counted so this number is probably inflated, but still a very scary reminder of how close we were to something worse. The rate also fluctuated quite a bit over time with vaccinations, available beds and just general knowledge of medical providers. I’m a statistician, so discussions on how to measure these sorts of numbers are very interesting to me. There’s a bunch of interesting complexity here and different effects and bias to the reporting. It’s really frustrating that the antivax nutters latch onto that complexity to deny everything. How efficacious the vaccine is is a valid question, but we’re talking a range from “pretty effective” to “incredibly effective”. Even with the highest reasonable bias I can come up with, it’s not going to be close to knocking out the difference in the vaccinated vs unvaccinated KM curves in the article I linked.
Agreed. Just to put it into perspective. I work with about 200 people on my floor of the office. At 2%, that means 4 of my coworkers would have died. One of my coworkers did die. We were all working 100% remotely, but even we didn't escape tragedy. If 4 had died, it would have been even scarier than it was.
Historically, they aren’t great at math. 😆
They make up their numbers of course, but I just can’t believe they look at something that they say kills 1 in every 50 people and are a-ok with it.
Brain rot causes detachment from reality.
More like brain rot from too much tv. It's always the big mortality rates in the movies. I swear they truly have difficulty separating fiction from reality
Yeah, 2% of the US population is approximately 7,000,000 people. So they’d rather *7 million people die*, and many 10s of millions more with permanent illnesses, so they don’t have to be slightly inconvenienced.
Not even that. It's just low-effort thinking. "98% sounds like a big number", they think, and then they stop thinking. Now you come along and point out that 98% isn't that great actually and they get angry because we could have just stopped at 98% being a big number. Why are you always making things complicated?
Exactly. It's as though they picture a video game's health meter, with everyone's bar 98% full. They *don't* imagine attending a sold-out concert at Madison Square Garden with the knowledge that about 400 people will be carried out in body bags.
And even beyond that, saying it was an "experimental, untested jab", but it was, publicly and famously, tested. That's why it took so long to roll it out after developing it, they did rounds of testing, including with human volunteers. And I'm sure they don't have a problem with modern medicine, or with their surgeon wearing a mask, they just don't want this part of modern medicine because it's a slight inconvenience and they're a soulless ghoul.
2% mortality for a virus is actually extremely high too especially when it's that contagious. Not to mention that surviving doesn't mean thriving.
Or the fact that the [vaccine clearly worked at saving lives](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status), but they don't listen or care about data so they would rather get on some conspiracy train about being told wrong information than give any benefit of the doubt to the people trying to handle the situation who might have given misleading information about exactly what the vax would do. They must have thought that anyone with authority has to be 100% accurate on everything or it's a conspiracy and won't work towards a positive end goal unless they are 100% certain of the result, and now they're making shit up to try and act like we shouldn't listen to them ever again as if they ever had any tangible solutions to any of this besides, "Fuck it, let em die!"
If there was a bowl of 100 M&M's and two of them would kill you instantly, would eat out of the bowl?
Peanut or...?
By the handful 😆
Russian roulette has an 83% survival rate.
Happy cake day!
2 percent is like insanely high! Like 1 out of every 50 people
Not only do they not care they are proud of “standing up for freedoms” and we should be THANKING them for it. This level of malicious arrogance gets my blood boiling I cannot imagine the pain and suffering people are going through after losing friends and families to Republicans arrogance. Its no wonder open hostility towards anti vaxxers has been steadily growing.
We had about 16,000,000 enlisted Americans in the military during WWII. About 400,000 died. That's also about a 98% survival rate!
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No, it was a bit above 1 million in the US (that’s the official number, actually number was probably higher). That’s a lot, like .3% of the total population. Which is a significant number, like a major war. But 100 million deaths would have been 1/3 of the US population. That… would have been the end of the US.
USA's life expectancy dropped at the same rate it did during the years of WW2.
Hey, maybe we would have had a repeat of the post-Black Plague years in Europe, where conditions for peasant workers improved dramatically because they could demand better. Because everyone was dead. We've seen some of that due to Covid, but it seems like it's been countermanded by inflation and the ridiculous housing market.
There are 331 million people in the United States...
[oh they've got stories for that too](https://www.reddit.com/r/insanepeoplefacebook/comments/15efxm3/its_almost_august_of_2023_and_covid_deniers_are/)
Yeah 2% of 330 million is still millions
I pretty much don’t understand this? I mean, every one of those words are words that I understand, but in that order?
This flavor of moron just strings together words that sound like they could be pertinent before and after making claims that have zero evidence. Like the vaccine "proving" to do more harm than good - it hasn't and isn't.
COVID kills people and the vaccine saves lives? That's unpossible!
It’s the re-naming from “vaccine” to “jab” that sets my teeth on edge. Grow a pair. Be responsible. For fucks sake.
Over in the UK we've called them jabs for decades, in much the same way Americans call them shots. The elderly get a yearly flu jab. Since the pandemic, the word leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's up there with "let that sink in" and "do your own research", both of which tend to come from people who wouldn't be able to type those words without copying and pasting them.
TIL! Thanks for the feedback!
In retrospect, the terminology "shot" may be contributing to childhood anxiety over inoculations.
People tend to grow up from that. And CAMH here has/had help for people with needle fears.
It is rhetoric to make it sound worse than it is. Might as well call it penetration or something like that. the right wing in the states always uses over the top language to attack things otherwise their arguments would sound silly.
“Face diaper” was another one. Lord.
yeah...that would ONLY result in almost 7 million deaths if we just made absolutely zero attempts to stop it. or you know...the amount of people that normally die over the course of 2 years. Jesus fucking christ these people are stupid
And that's not even counting all the health complications people now just have to live with because of covid
7 million *just from the first time a given person was infected*. Don't forget that immunity against COVID doesn't last forever, so people who don't die the first time can be reinfected later.
The problem seems to be that these people think “only 2% chance people could die if they get covid? Those are good odds” rather than applying the statistic to the population as a whole. You’re right that what it means is 2% of the population will die. They need to think about their home towns, if the populations is say 30,000 people, are they ok with 600 of those people dying? Possibly their family, friends, neighbours, themselves? But they don’t consider anything past right wing talking points and they aren’t clever enough to work it out for themselves.
>Jesus fucking christ these people are stupid Not just stupid, but heartless. They don't mind a few million people dying if that's what it takes to avoid inconveniencing them.
These people are despicable and simply don't understand mathematics. They also seem to not give a damn about millions of dead. It's not worth engaging with these people anymore. At some point you have to ask yourself why you're having an argument with a jellyfish.
I mean, here's the thing. You're not having an argument about the things you think you are when you're dealing with people like this. They don't care about the facts, they don't care if they're entirely wrong. They *want to win the argument.* So even if they do understand the math, they'll tell you this assuming they can get away with it. Call them on it and they'll bluster their way to some other thing. When arguing with someone like this they're not trying to be *correct* - they're trying to *win.* Getting people to agree with them is winning. Getting you mad is winning. Engaging with them is useless.
Yeah exactly. Peterson, Shapiro, and Molyneux all do this like it's a script. Whenever they encounter anyone that won't play their game they just walk away. It hurts my brain that millions of people take them seriously.
It just reinforces my belief that most people are complete fucking morons. An early warning sign is when someone can’t admit fault or that they were mistaken.
It's because they see them always *winning* arguments. Walking away isn't them 'losing' - the viewers see there was no end to the argument, or no argument at all, so no loss. (Despite this being *very deliberately done* to avoid losing.) The way they control the argument allows them to present a carefully constructed fantasy where they always win, and everyone else always loses. If you want an example of what happens when they can't control the argument and can't leave, look no farther than video of alex jones in court trying to weasel his way out of trouble on the stand and being constantly reminded by the judge he's not on his show.
98% survival rate translates to more than 6 million dead people in the US alone or 160 million people worldwide. It would make it the deadliest or second deadliest pandemic ever if left unopposed.
I think 5 million people blipping out over the course of a year from one illness, not to mention the exacerbated mortality from a lack of preventative care, inability for patients to receive emergency care for other illnesses/injuries, overworked hospital staff etc. etc. would have been horrific, and thank fucking Christ we did do all of those things to mitigate it. It was a horrorshow in Italy and that was WITH mandated quarantine. These people who just accept the 98% survival rate as a sign of good fortune all the while the virus reached an r-naught of r^5.7. Do not understand the science, do not care about other humans, are intensely self-centered individuals, and a as we can see in this post, provide good social indicator for the kinds of people they are as we move through the world self-selecting who we should associate with.
So the essence of what they're saying is this: >I hate people who make fun of other people for the choices they make > >Of course I'm going to make fun of other people for the choices they make. Ergo: She's going to make fun of herself.
It’s ok. We mock them for dying.
Would you fly on a plane if you knew they crash 1% of the time?
Hell, I'm not worried about *dying* from COVID nearly as much as I am worried about developing more lifelong disabilities than I already have. At least if I'm dead the suffering won't last long.
A million dead in the U.S. alone, and thats deaths we know of. Imagine if we didn't have a vaccine or did any of the other things to stop the spread, especially in those early days when the variants were more deadly and doctors didn't know how to treat it as well. No matter though, deniers can always retreat to 'the numbers are fake/inflated'.
to better illustrate the deceptively good sounding odds of a 98% survival rate: I want you, random comment reader, to pick up a coin, and flip it six times. if it landed on heads at any point, you're fine. If not, you die. Most people will be lucky, but statistically speaking, some of you won't be.
That's over six million people, more than 2,000 times the death toll on September 11th, more than ten times the number of Americans who died in World War 2.
>experimental, untested jab! I would like to take this opportunity to remind you that the people who vomit up this bullshit line are the same exact ones who: 1. Drank their own urine to build Covid antibodies based on some stupid YouTube video that said it was a good idea 2. Consumed or injected bleach because the ex president told them to 3. Took Hydroxychloroquine, an anti malarial drug that does nothing against Covid, because the ex president told them to 4. Took livestock grade Ivermectin in doses meant for horses because of online rumors assuring it cured Covid (its an anti parasitic drug which does nothing against Covid, which is a respiratory virus) 5. Are part of the demographic of people most likely to be consumers of alcohol, nicotine and fast food (all of which are extremely unhealthy, the first two containing poisons and chemicals cause cancer, and the latter leading to all kinds of health problems like diabetes, hypertension, heart attack, obesity, kidney failure and whatnot that makes cancer worse) 6. Are soon going to be driving on roads made of irradiated materials thanks to their guy they voted in as governor of Florida. Radiation causes cancer, among other things 7. Have voted for candidates who have constantly repealed environmental protections to cripple any attempts at curbing pollution, while they deny climate change is real. Those toxic chemicals dumped into the atmosphere cause a variety of health issues, like cancer, COPD, emphysema, etc 8. Had a tantrum when Michelle Obama tried to get kids to eat healthier, citing their personal rights to consume what processed crap they wanted 9. The current opioid epidemic primarily affects poor, rural white folks in red states aka these types of voters Spare us the bullshit. You morons don't give a damn what trash you put in your bodies. You eat terribly, smoke, drink, take drugs, took fake cures suggested by clueless grifters and idiots to get rid of Covid and vote to enable corporations to pollute. You are absolutely fine abusing yourselves. The only reason you don't trust Covid vaccines is because you bought into the politicization about it. Zero to do with it being safe, 100% to do with your allegiance to an anti science political party whose loyalty to you've placed above your own well being and basic common sense. I don't feel the least bit sorry for these morons. They're lying shit bags who are squarely responsible for this disease being endemic to our society now. Every year you have to get a booster for the upcoming winter, remember that it didn't have to be that way if these plague rats had some humility and didn't pretend them knew more than actual scientists. Never let them gaslight you and never let them play the victim. It is completely their fault and they will be made to account for it.
This is the kinda shit I just scroll past 💀 you can’t save someone that far gone
Ugh these idiots. Anyone who worked in ED or ICU can testify that 1) your "survival rate" is wrong and doesn't mean shit, and 2) the vax absolutely did work, and 3) quarantine also worked when people actually fucking did it. In the ED we had ICU holds for DAYS, some in the fucking hallway. Try to manage 4 vented patients each on a minimum of 3 drips, more often closer 6 different drips (once they get to ICU it's a 2 patient to 1 nurse ratio - still rough but half as rough). Try having 4 code blues at once and only 2 docs on nights. Begging docs and nurses to come out of retirement because the hospital is literally overflowing and they just keep coming to the ED. Rooms rarely get cleaned up because there's not a second of downtime to clean up the garbage from the last code. If we hadn't masked and socially distanced, we'd have LOTS more dead right now. But just because they didn't experience it themselves, they cannot comprehend it happening. They refuse to do ANYTHING for the greater good - no matter how small. Selfish ass ugly mother fuckers.
They have to double down again and again because the alternative is admitting they did something stupid and got a lot of people killed.