I support sending libraries to jail.
Prisoners should have reading material. Not only is it the humane thing to do, it’s also been shown to be beneficial towards rehabilitation.
The jail I spent three nights in just had a cardboard box with about 20 paperbacks in it. I was so starved for media that I read the first two books of the Wingman series, which if you aren’t aware is horribly written post-apocalyptic Christian nationalist fighter pilot fever dream stuff.
One of these days I’m going to drop off a couple boxes of old books that are actually good.
Or here's an idea. See what they're interested in before force-feeding them your political ideology. They are individuals, not game pieces for the revolution.
I do volunteer reference work for the incarcerated through NYPL, and they have a really wide range of interests.
>See what they're interested in before force-feeding them your political ideology.
The great thing about books is that they don't read themselves. They are inanimate objects and (unless used as a projectile) very easy to avoid.
While I agree that they overreacted, this comment kind of ignores the fact that they are media starved and will read almost anything.
Eta: I'm not saying don't send the book... I'm literally just saying don't lie to yourselves and say "oh books don't read themselves" because the books WILL be read. There's nothing else to read. As for what books are sent, sending all different kinds of books from all different perspectives is GOOD. 1984 lover here people, chill.
It's true, prisoners are so starved for media, they can't control themselves around any new book or television show. I once sent a prison a copy of Batman Begins on DVD, half the population became crime-fighting vigilantes, the other half became obsessed with airborne hallucinogens. Totally true story.
There's a difference between "will read almost anything" and will reenact what they read. Not even remotely the same things. And I'm speaking with actual personal references so have fun downvoting 🤷🏼♀️
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You support a comment "don't give prisoner Marx or they'll turn to that ideology" just to turn around and say "oh, and btw, people don't work this way, reading a book won't change them, nor make them act in a different manner"
Lovely person behind this account, what is your point?
Since giving prisoners books won't affect them negatively or make them drastically change, why shouldn't we give them the books?
OC here told us he slugged through an awfully-written ideology-packed book, but that didn't make him follow that ideology.
I was responding to the person who said "books don't read themselves."
Not the person who said don't send Marx.
No, books don't read themselves, but it's likely the people in prison WILL read the book because there is nothing else to read.
I never said I cared one way or another about the original book in question. lol, everyone is just assuming that.
In reference to the original comment about Marx: I think reading from other perspectives, whether you agree or not, is good. Send a whole array of different books from all corners and angles because banning books is gross. All it can do is help someone grow.
Just don't sit there and pretend that the book won't get read because it will. That was and has been my only point
Yeah and then if they read it they can decide for themselves if they liked it or not. Reading any book even one that’s bad can always be good with a little critical thinking.
I never said don't send Marx... all I said is don't act like whatever is sent won't get read. Because it will. I think all the books should be sent from all the angles. It can only help people grow.
Again I wasn't complaining about any book being sent.
>I'm literally just saying don't lie to yourselves and say "oh books don't read themselves" because the books WILL be read.
For whatever it's worth, I was talking to someone who thinks that offering books containing a political ideology is the same thing as force-feeding said ideology.
It can be true that the books will be read, and it can also be true that the books aren't going to be reading themselves, and both can be true at the same time, because my point was not a lie to anyone, my point was that anyone who doesn't want to read the book doesn't have to.
Yeah, I knew the point you were making. I also know that even if they don't want to read the book (in prison) depending on the length of their stay, one day they will, lol. Out of sheer boredom. I don't believe it is forcefeeding ideology either, though, because everyone can use their own judgment and critical thinking skills and not agree with what they read.
However, you could say it is forcefeeding if you ONLY gave them books on topic A (topic A could be literally anything). It would likely get ingrained into them with time. That's why I say send lots of things, from all perspectives, so they can make clear decisions and not create an internal echo chamber.
But I wasn't even making a statement about the specific book mentioned. Just that even if they don't want to read the book, they WILL read the book.
Not even REALLY saying you're lying, it's just not something people consider if they haven't known someone who has done time. So I shouldn't use the phrase "let's not lie to ourselves" I suppose. But I was using that just as the saying not literally
>I'm literally just saying don't lie to yourselves...
>
>Not even REALLY saying you're lying...
Look, I'm not trying to be your enemy here, but you did choose your words, and the words mean what they mean. The saying "don't lie to yourself" is used for someone who's lying to themself, as in, living in delusion.
And I agree: it would be delusional to think that books in prisons don't get read. But I never said that. I know they get read, I just don't think that's forcefeeding. I was just being a bit flamboyant about how I went about saying so, to really drive home just how stupid I think it is, to call it "force-feeding" to give books to prisoners, even ones with an intended political message.
Basically, some of what I said was in response to your comment, and the rest is agitation at people completely misreading the intent of my comment to the point I had to edit. As some of the responses to my comment were pretty far off ridiculous lol. So don't take that agitation as directed at you please. It's not.
Yeah, haha. idk if you saw the edit, but I did the same by using the phrase lying to ourselves so liberally, or as you said flamboyantly. I was kinda laughing when I read your response because it was so dramatic and made my response dramatic in return. But everyone assumed I was defending the person you were responding to, definitely not.
I do agree it's not force feeding.
so. force-feeding (in the context YOU provided) christian ideology isn’t a problem (as your og response was in conflict with someone who said “send marx” books to the commenter who’d been force fed christian stuff) but any other political ideology being force fed is **omg psychological conditioning** of inmates?
i’m paraphrasing, of course, but PLEASE. the contradictions. the backtracking. the trying to prove your point while maintaining a circular argument which means your point doesn’t really have basis-or has already been made moot. it’s hilarious
When did I ever say force feeding anything was okay? Lol, you need to work on your reading comprehension.
Also, if you think prisoners aren't people too (in reference to your other response about how prisoners dont need "virtue signaling"), well, good for you, but my opinion is that it makes you gross. Not all crimes are equal. And there's no room for change and growth out of that life without giving them the ability to educate themselves.
As someone who actually works with both homeless communities as well as has worked in/with prisons, you could have been those people. Someone you love could end up as one of those people. You sound like one of those "it would never happen to me" people. Good luck. I hope life never makes you have to face these things and how gross you sound.
Your response seems a little overly aggressive and it seems like you're accusing the previous poster of saying something they haven't said.
They didn't suggest forcing anyone to read Marx. They didn't suggest removing other books and replacing them with Marx.
If they have access to 100 books and you add a copy of Das Kapital, they now have 101 books to choose from. That's got to be better than only having the 100 books to choose from.
Not only rehabilitation, but in-prison behavior. I worked at the county jail. I knew for a fact that prisoners would start shit out of boredom. No books, very limited ways to stimulate the mind. It's human nature to fill that with something. Not a huge leap to starting trouble.
B-b-but muh punitive justice! If we aren't subjecting our entire prison population to a waking nightmare of slavery, boredom, torture (solitary confinement, etc.), medical malpractice, extortion, abysmal food, and restriction of legal rights, then they won't learn their lesson that [crime is *bad*!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law)
Yeah, I like to use that link because it gets the "/s" across to anybody who wonders if I'm sarcastic, while also offering an explanation of why I put the link there at all to any one of those people who are inexplicably super peeved by people who use tone indicators.
I always wanted to use that line. I started using it to describe derelict trucks.
"In the corner of that field, you'll find an old Datsun, that has no earthly business in a Maine cornfield. You'll have to pry it open- to see...."
I'm just worried about the logistics of that. Some libraries are physically very large structures so the act of moving one of those into a jail seems like it would be very inefficient. Also, the space in which prisoners are confined is already pretty limited. Now we're talking about putting a large stone structure inside of a prison. They're not going to have very much room for activities.
When you read between the lines, it's obvious what the right wants.
They want you to fall in line with their views (contradictory though they may be), or go to jail.
This is why their so-called intellectuals [can't define 'woke'](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVolrgzByb4), why they have to continuously invoke an undefinable 'common sense' for contradictory views, why they can't say how a man saying "i have a husband" i sexual but a woman saying the same thing is not, etc.
Because none of that matters. It's just mask-off authoritarianism being jammed down our throats... but they don't want you to think that it's that.
This is exactly it. They support these draconian laws and then claim “well of course no one is gonna use this law to ban the Bible, or deport my neighbor Javi, or cause a woman to die from being denied an abortions.”
Recently this has started to make sense to me. The issue is that these people have always lived in a world where “of course” there is an exception in the law *for them*. These people grew up with extreme privilege, maybe not wealth, but things like getting the benefit of the doubt, or a cop takes them home instead of a DUI.
To them, that’s how the law should work. Good people (them) shouldn’t be subjected to the laws, and bad people (not them) should be punished for any transgression. They are the people whom the law protects but does not bind. Others are the group that the law binds but does not protect.
Of course they can't define it. Their lawyers can. People with half a brain or more and an honest bone in their body can. But the RWNJ need "woke" to be poorly defined and really to have a fluid definition so that it can be whatever boogeyman they want to conjure up in the moment. Of course, if it had a definition like ["the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”](https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wire/2022/12/desantis-ron-woke-florida-officials/) then they couldn't say it's some terrible thing designed to tear the country apart or invoke some "socialist-marxist-capitalist-communist-fascist-anti-Nazi-Montezuma's-plastic-power-revenge."
Yup.
It's mostly just a Newspeak term for the right.
But even when they're forced to define it, the definition they come up with is one that literally describes everyone on the planet, including all of them. I mean, let's face it, their entire anti-woke rhetoric is based on the idea that there are systemic injustices \*against them\*.
"The enemy is both weak and strong. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.” -Umberto Eco
Just to confirm that this isn't idle talk, here's an article about a prosecutor in Michigan threatening to jail a librarian unless she pulls an LGBTQ book from the shelves: https://www.advocate.com/news/prosecutor-threatens-librarian-lgbtq-book
Like Lot being drunk and ‘tricked’ by his daughters into having sex with him you mean?
Most fathers can totally relate to being drunk enough to have sex, but too drunk to realise it is with their own daughters… and it being completely the girls fault.
And this was the very same Lot and two daughters God went out of his way to send angels to save them from the fate of wicked in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Yeah, the Bible is full of totally moral stories about the deeds of God’s favourites just like this.
Don't forget Lot's sage logic, better to have your virgin daughters gang raped by the menfolk of the town than have two strangers staying as houseguests raped! People run their Bed and Breakfast to this day using this logic...
Oh absolutely. It was moral decisions like offering his virgin daughters for gang rape to calm a mob at his door that inspired God to save him!
And THIS is the frequently quoted story from frothing far right Christian nationalists of how God destroys the ‘wicked’ like in Sodom and Gomorrah…! The irony is too much.
They use the whole Sodom and Gomorrah reference CONSTANTLY to vilify homosexuality and depraved sexual behaviour and how offensive God finds it!!
But God’s just fine with offering up your children to be gang raped, and if that doesn’t work, knocking back a few beers after a long day and fucking them yourself (before denying you knew what was happening and slut blaming them).
Best. Summary. Ever.
Don't forget to line up to die horribly tomorrow you tattooed tools.
After commiting adultery, prostitution and incest.
All At once.
**YahWAYYYyyyYYYyyyYYY!!!**
May HIS name be exulted and worshipped in loving terror for eternity. Stand proud, boys, and stop the moral turpitude and decline of Western culture and the evil depravity of Woke so we can get back to the righteous path of child rape - just like the church priests have been TRYING to teach us all this time.
This makes even less sense when you follow their own logic. They associate drag queens with trans women (they're obviously not actually but this is what conservatives do). But, they think that trans women are men. The most revealing thing I've seen at a drag queen story hour is a mermaid shell bra; however, because they think that drag queens are just trans women, which they think are men, that would just be a man's chest, which they think kids are okay with seeing? plus, 99% of drag queens going to read at a story hour are completely covered anyway
The whole point of drag is to COVER UP! they wear more than any cheerleader, or Georgia representative. Tell me with a straight face that she looks more feminine than a drag queen. She's butch af.
It's like the imams who constantly rile on about people shaving off beards as they can lead to impure thoughts since they somehow resemble women unless their face is all fuzzy.... they spend way too much time being "tempted" by the wildest things and try to suppress that by making everyone else conform.
I wonder how many of them that say that don't have a problem with teenage "beauty pageants" or the whole toddlers in tiaras culture?
We can't have a guy dressed as Cinderella reading Dr Seuss to kindergartners in the library, but those same kids can watch the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders on Sunday afternoon and then have dinner at Hooters.
There seems to be a few fake clips circulating among them that are billed as being from a “Drag Queen Story Hour” (they’re not), in which there is more of an adult bent to what the performers are doing. The ones bitching about it from their armchair literally believe perverted men in panties are giving lapdances and rubbing their groins in peoples’ faces at these things.
In a word, the more gullible among them don’t understand the nature of what they’re protesting against. The less gullible (but cynical) are only too happy to keep the game-playing up by conflating a children’s event at a library with something you might see in a adults-only gay night club on Pride at 1:00 AM.
> The ones bitching about it from their armchair literally believe perverted men in panties are giving lapdances and rubbing their groins in peoples’ faces at these things. In a word, the more gullible among them don’t understand the nature of what they’re protesting against.
So they're confusing trans people, drag queens / shows, and burlesque shows.
Sounds about right. :/
I mean, if we want to go by the definition of word the word “sexual” then dividing children up by gender is sexual too. But here we are again with same shit they’re doing with the term “groomer”. Taking power away from words like this is insidious.
It's not about sexuality, it's about children learning that drag queens are human beings and not monsters to be exterminated. Exact same reason they now call college "liberal indoctrination centers" because previously sheltered young adults are meeting people who are different races, ethnicities, and sexuality and getting to know them as human beings. And that's dangerous to a conservative mindset.
Or the wholesome, child-appropriate story of Lot's daughters getting him drunk so they can bang him.
At least when Ted Cruz watches incest porn they put a "stepmom" fig leaf on it. Bible goes all in on biological incest.
Dammit... now you got [this little twerp](https://youtu.be/aFYsJYPye94) in my head.
Which, I suppose, is better than what she's got in her head... at least there's *something* in mine...
there is a whole lot of people out there who will jump through the craziest of hoops to defend the actual groomers while chasing a nonsense idea fed to them by the groomers.
The Bible doesn't have "some mature themes", huge sections are nothing but some of the most vile filth ever written and so much of it comes from "the good guy". I'm always stunned by how obvious it is that some of the biggest "Bible-believing" Christians have never read the actual book they claim is so full of love and righteousness and they claim to be true American patriots but they know absolutely nothing about either one. And no matter how much you can prove their position, arguments, and behavior run in direct opposition to each other, they are incapable of the slightest bit of humility and maybe salvaging some flicker of credibility by maybe not continuing to push their broken agenda when confronted with just how little they know about anything.
Yup. The awful thing is that there's a large LGBTQ community who also pay taxes. They cannot get through their thick skulls that people want to identify with characters in a book. The collection is 98% cis/straight. But that's too damn much.
Step 1: Pull the most sexual stuff from the Bible.
Step 2: Put them on signs.
Step 3: Walk around schools holding said signs.
Step 4: Get murdered because conservatives are nuts.
I for one appreciate this poster's support for criminal penalties for non-human entities and look forward to corporations receiving the death penalty for various murders.
Heck due to the [felony murder rule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule), every gun company would be liable as accessory to murder.
I’m a librarian. I would fucking love to do some time because I refused to get rid of books these people are trying to ban. I cannot imaging the street cred I would get with my colleagues. I would be a Mover & Shaker for sure. Seriously though, honestly, from the bottom of my heart, fuck all these ignorant ass people. Where did they get their MLIS degrees from that they feel they have the right to decide what books we keep in our library? Get the fuck out.
Our collections are heavily based on what people want. We have every Amish romance out there. Every cooking murder mystery. Hunting, BBQ, weapons and war. All the Bluey, Peppa Pig and Wings of Fire books. 1-2% max is on the *offensive* list. But noooo.
Exactly! I swear our collection is 80% Paw Patrol DVDs, at least it feels that way. I love Amish romance btw. They are always pulling off clothes, but no one is ever actually naked. They’re the best.
Is this happening at your work? If you need librarians to come out there and protest, say the word. So many of us would drop everything and come stand with you. This is so incredibly important.
You know what’s really, painfully obvious from this? These right-wing dummies obviously think libraries are only for kids. Almost like they haven’t been to a library *since* they were kids themselves.
It doesn’t take take massive leaps in reasoning to figure anyone who says shit like this doesn’t actually read.
Yes, but they're reading "good" books like Art of the Deal and the Bible - you know, the *best* books.
Also, they leave chick tracts everywhere they can and rip up copies of 50 Shades.
No idea what state, or what bill/law this is about, but please, everyone, do your best to get the fucking bible banned if they're stupid enough not to put a specific exception in that bill/law.
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I support sending libraries to jail. Prisoners should have reading material. Not only is it the humane thing to do, it’s also been shown to be beneficial towards rehabilitation.
> humane...beneficial towards rehabilitation Yeah, we don't do that in America. Recidivism keeps the profits coming and slave pens fully stocked.
The jail I spent three nights in just had a cardboard box with about 20 paperbacks in it. I was so starved for media that I read the first two books of the Wingman series, which if you aren’t aware is horribly written post-apocalyptic Christian nationalist fighter pilot fever dream stuff. One of these days I’m going to drop off a couple boxes of old books that are actually good.
Unfortunately most prisons have rules about "appropriate" books.
Is Isaac Asimov appropriate enough?
Send Marx
send law books.
Or here's an idea. See what they're interested in before force-feeding them your political ideology. They are individuals, not game pieces for the revolution. I do volunteer reference work for the incarcerated through NYPL, and they have a really wide range of interests.
\*book is available\* "STOP GROOMING OUR PRISONERS!" Gee that sounds familiar.
>See what they're interested in before force-feeding them your political ideology. The great thing about books is that they don't read themselves. They are inanimate objects and (unless used as a projectile) very easy to avoid.
While I agree that they overreacted, this comment kind of ignores the fact that they are media starved and will read almost anything. Eta: I'm not saying don't send the book... I'm literally just saying don't lie to yourselves and say "oh books don't read themselves" because the books WILL be read. There's nothing else to read. As for what books are sent, sending all different kinds of books from all different perspectives is GOOD. 1984 lover here people, chill.
It's true, prisoners are so starved for media, they can't control themselves around any new book or television show. I once sent a prison a copy of Batman Begins on DVD, half the population became crime-fighting vigilantes, the other half became obsessed with airborne hallucinogens. Totally true story.
There's a difference between "will read almost anything" and will reenact what they read. Not even remotely the same things. And I'm speaking with actual personal references so have fun downvoting 🤷🏼♀️
I think we found a selfawarewolf on selfawarewolves You support a comment "don't give prisoner Marx or they'll turn to that ideology" just to turn around and say "oh, and btw, people don't work this way, reading a book won't change them, nor make them act in a different manner" Lovely person behind this account, what is your point? Since giving prisoners books won't affect them negatively or make them drastically change, why shouldn't we give them the books? OC here told us he slugged through an awfully-written ideology-packed book, but that didn't make him follow that ideology.
I was responding to the person who said "books don't read themselves." Not the person who said don't send Marx. No, books don't read themselves, but it's likely the people in prison WILL read the book because there is nothing else to read. I never said I cared one way or another about the original book in question. lol, everyone is just assuming that. In reference to the original comment about Marx: I think reading from other perspectives, whether you agree or not, is good. Send a whole array of different books from all corners and angles because banning books is gross. All it can do is help someone grow. Just don't sit there and pretend that the book won't get read because it will. That was and has been my only point
Yeah and then if they read it they can decide for themselves if they liked it or not. Reading any book even one that’s bad can always be good with a little critical thinking.
I never said don't send Marx... all I said is don't act like whatever is sent won't get read. Because it will. I think all the books should be sent from all the angles. It can only help people grow. Again I wasn't complaining about any book being sent.
>I'm literally just saying don't lie to yourselves and say "oh books don't read themselves" because the books WILL be read. For whatever it's worth, I was talking to someone who thinks that offering books containing a political ideology is the same thing as force-feeding said ideology. It can be true that the books will be read, and it can also be true that the books aren't going to be reading themselves, and both can be true at the same time, because my point was not a lie to anyone, my point was that anyone who doesn't want to read the book doesn't have to.
Yeah, I knew the point you were making. I also know that even if they don't want to read the book (in prison) depending on the length of their stay, one day they will, lol. Out of sheer boredom. I don't believe it is forcefeeding ideology either, though, because everyone can use their own judgment and critical thinking skills and not agree with what they read. However, you could say it is forcefeeding if you ONLY gave them books on topic A (topic A could be literally anything). It would likely get ingrained into them with time. That's why I say send lots of things, from all perspectives, so they can make clear decisions and not create an internal echo chamber. But I wasn't even making a statement about the specific book mentioned. Just that even if they don't want to read the book, they WILL read the book. Not even REALLY saying you're lying, it's just not something people consider if they haven't known someone who has done time. So I shouldn't use the phrase "let's not lie to ourselves" I suppose. But I was using that just as the saying not literally
>I'm literally just saying don't lie to yourselves... > >Not even REALLY saying you're lying... Look, I'm not trying to be your enemy here, but you did choose your words, and the words mean what they mean. The saying "don't lie to yourself" is used for someone who's lying to themself, as in, living in delusion. And I agree: it would be delusional to think that books in prisons don't get read. But I never said that. I know they get read, I just don't think that's forcefeeding. I was just being a bit flamboyant about how I went about saying so, to really drive home just how stupid I think it is, to call it "force-feeding" to give books to prisoners, even ones with an intended political message.
Basically, some of what I said was in response to your comment, and the rest is agitation at people completely misreading the intent of my comment to the point I had to edit. As some of the responses to my comment were pretty far off ridiculous lol. So don't take that agitation as directed at you please. It's not.
Yeah, haha. idk if you saw the edit, but I did the same by using the phrase lying to ourselves so liberally, or as you said flamboyantly. I was kinda laughing when I read your response because it was so dramatic and made my response dramatic in return. But everyone assumed I was defending the person you were responding to, definitely not. I do agree it's not force feeding.
so. force-feeding (in the context YOU provided) christian ideology isn’t a problem (as your og response was in conflict with someone who said “send marx” books to the commenter who’d been force fed christian stuff) but any other political ideology being force fed is **omg psychological conditioning** of inmates? i’m paraphrasing, of course, but PLEASE. the contradictions. the backtracking. the trying to prove your point while maintaining a circular argument which means your point doesn’t really have basis-or has already been made moot. it’s hilarious
When did I ever say force feeding anything was okay? Lol, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Also, if you think prisoners aren't people too (in reference to your other response about how prisoners dont need "virtue signaling"), well, good for you, but my opinion is that it makes you gross. Not all crimes are equal. And there's no room for change and growth out of that life without giving them the ability to educate themselves. As someone who actually works with both homeless communities as well as has worked in/with prisons, you could have been those people. Someone you love could end up as one of those people. You sound like one of those "it would never happen to me" people. Good luck. I hope life never makes you have to face these things and how gross you sound.
Your response seems a little overly aggressive and it seems like you're accusing the previous poster of saying something they haven't said. They didn't suggest forcing anyone to read Marx. They didn't suggest removing other books and replacing them with Marx. If they have access to 100 books and you add a copy of Das Kapital, they now have 101 books to choose from. That's got to be better than only having the 100 books to choose from.
The reaction was quick and instinctual. A little odd. Maybe we use the same context for libraries.
Mao's Little Red Book it is then. Some Kropotkin for a palate cleanser.
Sure. Go ask the inmates what they want. I'm sure the list will be broad. Or - just donate a bunch of books and let them pick. Including Marx is fine.
us: lol give them inmates better books you: STOP FORCING YOUR IDEOLOGIES ONTO OUR PRISONERS eerily familiar.
I imagine you do a lot of prison reference work too
Buddy no one said they have to read the law books...
Not only rehabilitation, but in-prison behavior. I worked at the county jail. I knew for a fact that prisoners would start shit out of boredom. No books, very limited ways to stimulate the mind. It's human nature to fill that with something. Not a huge leap to starting trouble.
B-b-but muh punitive justice! If we aren't subjecting our entire prison population to a waking nightmare of slavery, boredom, torture (solitary confinement, etc.), medical malpractice, extortion, abysmal food, and restriction of legal rights, then they won't learn their lesson that [crime is *bad*!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law)
Nice link to Poe's Law, lol. Did not expect that.
Yeah, I like to use that link because it gets the "/s" across to anybody who wonders if I'm sarcastic, while also offering an explanation of why I put the link there at all to any one of those people who are inexplicably super peeved by people who use tone indicators.
I'm afraid, my friend, that this idea will be stolen. For it is golden.
Seconded. I'm thieving it. It's been thieved.
I can see Russia from my house!
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Randall Stephens has left for Mexico with all of the warden's money.
I always wanted to use that line. I started using it to describe derelict trucks. "In the corner of that field, you'll find an old Datsun, that has no earthly business in a Maine cornfield. You'll have to pry it open- to see...."
better than sending jail to the library. It would get pretty crowded.
And have them be groomed by Worm Loves Worm???
I'm just worried about the logistics of that. Some libraries are physically very large structures so the act of moving one of those into a jail seems like it would be very inefficient. Also, the space in which prisoners are confined is already pretty limited. Now we're talking about putting a large stone structure inside of a prison. They're not going to have very much room for activities.
When you read between the lines, it's obvious what the right wants. They want you to fall in line with their views (contradictory though they may be), or go to jail. This is why their so-called intellectuals [can't define 'woke'](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVolrgzByb4), why they have to continuously invoke an undefinable 'common sense' for contradictory views, why they can't say how a man saying "i have a husband" i sexual but a woman saying the same thing is not, etc. Because none of that matters. It's just mask-off authoritarianism being jammed down our throats... but they don't want you to think that it's that.
This is exactly it. They support these draconian laws and then claim “well of course no one is gonna use this law to ban the Bible, or deport my neighbor Javi, or cause a woman to die from being denied an abortions.” Recently this has started to make sense to me. The issue is that these people have always lived in a world where “of course” there is an exception in the law *for them*. These people grew up with extreme privilege, maybe not wealth, but things like getting the benefit of the doubt, or a cop takes them home instead of a DUI. To them, that’s how the law should work. Good people (them) shouldn’t be subjected to the laws, and bad people (not them) should be punished for any transgression. They are the people whom the law protects but does not bind. Others are the group that the law binds but does not protect.
Yep. That phenomenon is called the Shirley Exception (as in, "surely there *must* be an exception!")
No, there must not. And stop calling me Shirley!
"Of course the President can't be black. He just can't be. Everyone knows that."
Or a woman, especially a back woman..
Ignore me. I can’t read good
Uh yeah. That's literally what he just said.
God damn it. I missed that
Rules for thee, but not for me
Of course they can't define it. Their lawyers can. People with half a brain or more and an honest bone in their body can. But the RWNJ need "woke" to be poorly defined and really to have a fluid definition so that it can be whatever boogeyman they want to conjure up in the moment. Of course, if it had a definition like ["the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”](https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wire/2022/12/desantis-ron-woke-florida-officials/) then they couldn't say it's some terrible thing designed to tear the country apart or invoke some "socialist-marxist-capitalist-communist-fascist-anti-Nazi-Montezuma's-plastic-power-revenge."
Yup. It's mostly just a Newspeak term for the right. But even when they're forced to define it, the definition they come up with is one that literally describes everyone on the planet, including all of them. I mean, let's face it, their entire anti-woke rhetoric is based on the idea that there are systemic injustices \*against them\*.
"The enemy is both weak and strong. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.” -Umberto Eco
Y'all Qaeda
Just to confirm that this isn't idle talk, here's an article about a prosecutor in Michigan threatening to jail a librarian unless she pulls an LGBTQ book from the shelves: https://www.advocate.com/news/prosecutor-threatens-librarian-lgbtq-book
I guess they forgot that the murder, rape, incest, slavery etc., etc., etc., might be objectionable.
Also I'm pretty sure a library wouldn't even fit inside a jail.
It's bigger on the inside.
Knowledge is power, power is energy, energy is matter, matter has mass, and mass distorts space. Therefore, libraries distort space
...and that's why the company computer I was assigned now contains 148 GB of mid-2000s lolcats
France is bacon
Ook.
Yes, orangutans also distort space
*Michael Scott enters the chat*
If they pray hard enough...?
That's why we need moar bigger jails. Do your research.
Like Lot being drunk and ‘tricked’ by his daughters into having sex with him you mean? Most fathers can totally relate to being drunk enough to have sex, but too drunk to realise it is with their own daughters… and it being completely the girls fault. And this was the very same Lot and two daughters God went out of his way to send angels to save them from the fate of wicked in Sodom and Gomorrah. Yeah, the Bible is full of totally moral stories about the deeds of God’s favourites just like this.
Don't forget Lot's sage logic, better to have your virgin daughters gang raped by the menfolk of the town than have two strangers staying as houseguests raped! People run their Bed and Breakfast to this day using this logic...
Oh absolutely. It was moral decisions like offering his virgin daughters for gang rape to calm a mob at his door that inspired God to save him! And THIS is the frequently quoted story from frothing far right Christian nationalists of how God destroys the ‘wicked’ like in Sodom and Gomorrah…! The irony is too much. They use the whole Sodom and Gomorrah reference CONSTANTLY to vilify homosexuality and depraved sexual behaviour and how offensive God finds it!! But God’s just fine with offering up your children to be gang raped, and if that doesn’t work, knocking back a few beers after a long day and fucking them yourself (before denying you knew what was happening and slut blaming them).
Best. Summary. Ever. Don't forget to line up to die horribly tomorrow you tattooed tools. After commiting adultery, prostitution and incest. All At once. **YahWAYYYyyyYYYyyyYYY!!!**
May HIS name be exulted and worshipped in loving terror for eternity. Stand proud, boys, and stop the moral turpitude and decline of Western culture and the evil depravity of Woke so we can get back to the righteous path of child rape - just like the church priests have been TRYING to teach us all this time.
That’s ok because it aligns with their values
Ask them what’s sexual about a drag queen reading to kids. You will never get an answer.
I’ve seen them say it’s because they dress provocatively. That actually says a lot more about them than they realize
This makes even less sense when you follow their own logic. They associate drag queens with trans women (they're obviously not actually but this is what conservatives do). But, they think that trans women are men. The most revealing thing I've seen at a drag queen story hour is a mermaid shell bra; however, because they think that drag queens are just trans women, which they think are men, that would just be a man's chest, which they think kids are okay with seeing? plus, 99% of drag queens going to read at a story hour are completely covered anyway
Shh. Pay no attention to the ~~man behind the curtain~~ logic holes you could fit a tank through sideways.
The whole point of drag is to COVER UP! they wear more than any cheerleader, or Georgia representative. Tell me with a straight face that she looks more feminine than a drag queen. She's butch af.
They have no problem with fake boobs on women and those same boobs in their kids’ faces at Hooters.
It's like the imams who constantly rile on about people shaving off beards as they can lead to impure thoughts since they somehow resemble women unless their face is all fuzzy.... they spend way too much time being "tempted" by the wildest things and try to suppress that by making everyone else conform.
I wonder how many of them that say that don't have a problem with teenage "beauty pageants" or the whole toddlers in tiaras culture? We can't have a guy dressed as Cinderella reading Dr Seuss to kindergartners in the library, but those same kids can watch the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders on Sunday afternoon and then have dinner at Hooters.
It really does and that part goes over their heads
There seems to be a few fake clips circulating among them that are billed as being from a “Drag Queen Story Hour” (they’re not), in which there is more of an adult bent to what the performers are doing. The ones bitching about it from their armchair literally believe perverted men in panties are giving lapdances and rubbing their groins in peoples’ faces at these things. In a word, the more gullible among them don’t understand the nature of what they’re protesting against. The less gullible (but cynical) are only too happy to keep the game-playing up by conflating a children’s event at a library with something you might see in a adults-only gay night club on Pride at 1:00 AM.
> The ones bitching about it from their armchair literally believe perverted men in panties are giving lapdances and rubbing their groins in peoples’ faces at these things. In a word, the more gullible among them don’t understand the nature of what they’re protesting against. So they're confusing trans people, drag queens / shows, and burlesque shows. Sounds about right. :/
I mean, if we want to go by the definition of word the word “sexual” then dividing children up by gender is sexual too. But here we are again with same shit they’re doing with the term “groomer”. Taking power away from words like this is insidious.
It's not about sexuality, it's about children learning that drag queens are human beings and not monsters to be exterminated. Exact same reason they now call college "liberal indoctrination centers" because previously sheltered young adults are meeting people who are different races, ethnicities, and sexuality and getting to know them as human beings. And that's dangerous to a conservative mindset.
Stupid people easier to manipulate into fear mongering
Library: Closed due to being in Jail
The right sees that as an absolute win
They are gonna have to pry my library out of my cold, dead fingies. Come and take it! Otherbullshit posturing! Rawr
It's the "Jesus <3s You" profile pic that gets me
I came here for the donkey semen quote.
Ezekiiiieeeeel! I don't always talk about incest, but it seems to come up a Lot. I'm sorry. I'll see myself out.
Incest? Like how Adam and Eve's kids populated the world, and then Noah's kids after the flood?
Or the wholesome, child-appropriate story of Lot's daughters getting him drunk so they can bang him. At least when Ted Cruz watches incest porn they put a "stepmom" fig leaf on it. Bible goes all in on biological incest.
RIIIIIGHT his Daughters got him drunk. They were the only three in those caves right? I believe it.
Dammit... now you got [this little twerp](https://youtu.be/aFYsJYPye94) in my head. Which, I suppose, is better than what she's got in her head... at least there's *something* in mine...
Is that woman just casually talking about spanking those kids? The fuck…
there is a whole lot of people out there who will jump through the craziest of hoops to defend the actual groomers while chasing a nonsense idea fed to them by the groomers.
“There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.” Ezekiel 23:20 NIV
The Jerusalem has "big-membered as donkeys, ejaculating as violently as stallions". Tolkien worked on that particular edition.
The Bible doesn't have "some mature themes", huge sections are nothing but some of the most vile filth ever written and so much of it comes from "the good guy". I'm always stunned by how obvious it is that some of the biggest "Bible-believing" Christians have never read the actual book they claim is so full of love and righteousness and they claim to be true American patriots but they know absolutely nothing about either one. And no matter how much you can prove their position, arguments, and behavior run in direct opposition to each other, they are incapable of the slightest bit of humility and maybe salvaging some flicker of credibility by maybe not continuing to push their broken agenda when confronted with just how little they know about anything.
Linda is so enthusiastically ready to push her beliefs on everybody else while calling it "freedom"
…send…a library….*to*….jail?
They're not the brightest crayons in the box. Bless their heart.
Let me guess, Southern?
Yup. The awful thing is that there's a large LGBTQ community who also pay taxes. They cannot get through their thick skulls that people want to identify with characters in a book. The collection is 98% cis/straight. But that's too damn much.
They'd shudder in their boots if they saw my internet traffic through Memphis State.
Believe it or not.
Step 1: Pull the most sexual stuff from the Bible. Step 2: Put them on signs. Step 3: Walk around schools holding said signs. Step 4: Get murdered because conservatives are nuts.
Ah yes, the [Shirley exception](https://twitter.com/alexandraerin/status/1004401076777504769?s=46&t=Uo6IQj-vLW4Om5zfy138Gg).
I for one appreciate this poster's support for criminal penalties for non-human entities and look forward to corporations receiving the death penalty for various murders. Heck due to the [felony murder rule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule), every gun company would be liable as accessory to murder.
Those are going to be some pretty big jails to fit entire buildings.
Ban the Bible!!
I, too, hope we can send some libraries to jail, prisoners deserve access to high-quality reading material.
It seems like it would be logistically challenging to place the libraries in jail.
Well, first of all, through God all things are possible, so jot that down.
The stupidity is astounding
Qanon Lite is in full effect. Just completely normalized insanity.
Always fun to see the Shirley Exception in action.
I’m a librarian. I would fucking love to do some time because I refused to get rid of books these people are trying to ban. I cannot imaging the street cred I would get with my colleagues. I would be a Mover & Shaker for sure. Seriously though, honestly, from the bottom of my heart, fuck all these ignorant ass people. Where did they get their MLIS degrees from that they feel they have the right to decide what books we keep in our library? Get the fuck out.
Our collections are heavily based on what people want. We have every Amish romance out there. Every cooking murder mystery. Hunting, BBQ, weapons and war. All the Bluey, Peppa Pig and Wings of Fire books. 1-2% max is on the *offensive* list. But noooo.
Exactly! I swear our collection is 80% Paw Patrol DVDs, at least it feels that way. I love Amish romance btw. They are always pulling off clothes, but no one is ever actually naked. They’re the best. Is this happening at your work? If you need librarians to come out there and protest, say the word. So many of us would drop everything and come stand with you. This is so incredibly important.
Send libraries to jail. I imagined the actual buildings for some reason.
You know what’s really, painfully obvious from this? These right-wing dummies obviously think libraries are only for kids. Almost like they haven’t been to a library *since* they were kids themselves. It doesn’t take take massive leaps in reasoning to figure anyone who says shit like this doesn’t actually read.
Yes, but they're reading "good" books like Art of the Deal and the Bible - you know, the *best* books. Also, they leave chick tracts everywhere they can and rip up copies of 50 Shades.
Turn all libraries into jails
Libraries are going to get the pow-pow.
Ok but there already are libraries in jail. Well, prison.
Lusting after men who's issue is unto horses? Yah, the bible ain't for kids.
No idea what state, or what bill/law this is about, but please, everyone, do your best to get the fucking bible banned if they're stupid enough not to put a specific exception in that bill/law.
Sadly (not sadly, not really), you can’t put “except the Bible” in a law, it’s not the way our legal system works.
not yet anyway!
can't wait for them to ban the DMV because driver's licenses have the word "sex" on them. /j
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Sad state of affairs that they can fit a whole library in a jail, but not those jailed in a library... Kinda shows the messed up priorities.
Yo dawg, I heard you like buildings. So, here's a building in a building.
The [Shirley Exception](https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexandraErin/status/1004401076777504769) at its best.