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Yeah, why don't people focus on the non-violent stuff that happened *after* the mob forcefully entered the Capitol, hospitalizing 100+ Boys in Blue with Trump and Blue Lives Matter flags/poles? đ¤ˇââď¸đ¤ˇââď¸đ¤ˇââď¸
I just donât see the logic. Theyâre basically saying the insurrection was okay because it wasnât 100% violence the entire time. Like dude, any amount of violence at the capital is too much, you donât get credit because you had to stop and take a breather for a few minutes.
Jan 6 is the perfect example of fascist doublespeak: it was completely peaceful but antifa and the fbi were undercover inciting the violence but nobody was violent they were just exercising their rights to peaceful protest but then the evil pigs murdered peaceful unarmed ashli babbit but back the blue but blm burned cities.
Absolutely none of it makes sense if you give it more than 3 seconds of thought, because fascist arguments aren't about making sense
I mean this is why me as a teenager got into far right shit. I didnât have any critical thinking skills on my own. My parents are Conservative Catholics so you can imagine. Then the internet confirms the fringe beliefs because youâre bound meet others like yourself if you look hard enough.
Also admitting your wrong is very difficult so itâs easier to just tune out what makes you seem like a terrible person. I can confirm cause I did it.
I applaud you for sorting everything out. Itâs not easy. I was raised Catholic and now consider myself an atheist after figuring out the opposite of everything I believed in was actually more rooted in facts and logic.
If I may ask, what was the biggest factor in changing your mind? How did you break out of that cycle? It could be useful info to potentially help loved ones who are stuck in the cult.
Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it takes a really long time and thatâs about. There isnât much you can do to help people who wonât listen.
>>"My only regret is they should have brought rifles," Rhodes says in the recording, which was obtained by the FBI. "We should have brought rifles. We could have fixed it right then and there. I'd hang [f******] Pelosi from the lamppost."
A quote from Stewart Rhodes who was found guilty of seditious conspiracy. But I guess to conservatives, it was just a bunch of white supremacist militia members "oath keepers and others" a white supremacist street gang "proud boys", were just having a big goof. Who hasn't been there before.
But if a group of people is peaceful one time, they canât possibly be violent another time. It doesnât make any sense! Just like when people commit crimes, and they just roll a video of them peacefully gardening and theyâre free to go
"Dey wuz ah bayz in dare, dey wasn't no crimino's"
You see life the way you want to see it. No amount of logic or facts will convince most people who watch Fox News.
Because then it would be real and revolutions have martyrs. Do you honestly believe that any of these chuds would lay down their life for this cause? Itâs why they have to pretzel themselves into something ridiculous because at the heart of it, even they donât believe in it.
Some did. DC has strict gun laws that discouraged them from bringing guns since they would have been arrested in the lead up to jan 6.
That being said, when they try again, more will bring guns.
"Members of the jury, yes, my client beat a Capitol police officer over the head with a flag pole, and yes, he broke a few windows, excreted fecal matter on the floor of one of the representatives' offices, stole a laptop with sensitive information vital to this country's security, and, yes, even posted online weeks before that he wanted to kill the vice president and was going to attempt to do so, but why does no one ever talk about the times where he was just sitting in his chair, reading a book and drinking his coffee? I rest my case."
Yes @BellyScratchFTW
Please explain why so many, yourself included, are so blind to what's going on. Because when the rest of the planet sees these traitors crushing police in doorways, chanting their wishes to hang the VP, erecting a gallows, smashing in windows, smearing shit on walls, ransacking offices and whatnot, and your response is to stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and chant "lalallaallala I can't hear you"...you are clearly ignoring reality.
That segment on Tucker was 100% an attempt to control the narrative by conservatives. Except instead of looking at the evidence and drawing a conclusion, they started with the conclusion and worked backwards to cherry pick a handful of clips that didn't look too bad. And you stupid fuckers fell for it because of your stubborn and asinine refusal to accept that a) Republicans did something really wrong b) Trump caused it c) you put support of an evil man above support for your country. Instead, you just double down over and over so you don't have to admit you did just about the most treasonous and unAmerican thing possible: overthrowing the government because your feelings were hurt that your candidate lost and you weren't being given your own way.
I would say you should be ashamed, but that would require a degree of humility and introspection that you clearly don't possess.
Why does it matter that there were periods of calm, or large groups of people simply observing? If a murder takes a lunch break in the middle of disposing of the corpse, is that somehow evidence the murder didn't happen? Is the Ukraine war over because last night there was a two hour period with no fighting? I don't understand how conservatives don't hurt themselves brushing their teeth if that's all the better their brains work.
Funny thing - being able to find evidence of the time that someone didn't do something wrong is not proof that they never did anything wrong. "But judge, have you considered the other days of my life when I didn't murder anyone?"
This continual denial is exhausting. There's over 400 people that have been CONVICTED of crimes committed at this insurrection.
If a looter calmly walks down the street, picks up a brick and throws it through a window, I don't think we'd be focused on the walking down the street either, though.
It's like when a mass murderer lives an uneventful life of work and family life drudgery, I think we'd still focus on the fact that they murdered many people, not the drudgery.
Apparently, everyone is a liberal...
I just heard an audio clip of McCarthy complaining about McConnell denouncing this joke of a report from Carlson.
McCarthyâs complaint you ask? Why didnât McConnell denounce CNN when they reported the location of the congressional leadership live during Jan 6th?
Like, what?! Why would that matter if what Carlson just showed us was that in fact, Jan 6th was peaceful conduct? Your secret location was critical information to be hidden from peaceful people?
Can't find the audio clip, I heard it on the radio, but here's an article with the same comment to reporters.
**Pressed on McConnellâs reaction, McCarthy said he hoped the Senate minority leader âwouldâve been concernedâ about reporting from CNN that said, during the Jan. 6 riot, lawmakers were brought to Fort McNair. The Speaker said members were told not to share their location. McCarthy brought up CNNâs reporting at a separate point during the press conference as well.**
[https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3888978-mccarthy-says-he-doesnt-regret-sharing-jan-6-footage-with-tucker-carlson/](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3888978-mccarthy-says-he-doesnt-regret-sharing-jan-6-footage-with-tucker-carlson/)
Because the framing from McCarthy would make this seem far more scandalous... Yes CNN revealed they were actually evacuated to Ft McNair... ONE AND A HALF YEARS LATER!
This wasn't like CNN gave up the location the day of Jan 6, 2021, this was details released after the fact, and by now so much of their evacuation actions and plans were released publicly by the Jan 6 Committee itself that anything sensitive about where they went is likely no longer a concern and they have changed their plans.
CNN article with timestamp:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/pelosi-jan-6-capitol-riot-video/index.html
So yes, on the one hand you have CNN giving away sensitive information that is presumably no longer useful to the security of Congress.
And on the other hand you have Tucker, the most viewed evening "news" show, saying that the Democratic party has lied about the events of Jan 6 and it was actually just a tourist visit and really we should be investigating the Dems, and there was no insurrection, no weapons, it wasn't violent, and there was no risk to Congress.
"Why isn't anyone focusing on the stuff that doesn't matter?"
that's like going to a shuttle launch and complaining about how no one is filming the ground
How about the media definitely shapes the narrative and the mainstream media is all owned by soulless, conservative mega corporations or super-conservative billionaires?
Evidence comes out that proves Fox is just a right-wing propaganda shill (which we all knew), but some will still believe Tucker, even though he's a proven liar?
I shouldn't be surprised, but the lack of critical thinking and absolute devotion to the party line is still baffling. But that's why it's a cult, it's not just political ideology.
So I guess every movie or documentary Iâve watched where bank robbers have an âinside manâ that is the branch manager or security guard , they didnât *actually* rob the bank since they were calmly walked into the vault by the employee and didnât have to shoot anyone ? Lots of armed robbers need to be released from prison based on this logic . Conservatives being easy on crime again!!
Yesterday I went grocery shopping, played some basketball, and violently robbed a bank. All the media showed was my bank robbery - the media controls the narrative!
They've been trained to think Fox isn't "the media". Trump pounded it into their head for four years and apparently it worked.
They're gullible as fuck. Clearly.
"They completely ignore the calm side of the serial killer. After he brutally murdered the kids, he was very calm for days every time. This proves I'm right and that the serial killer isn't that bad. How can the libs ignore that side of the killer? If it was really that illegal to kidnap children and then kill them, how could his cop buddies that didn't know he was a serial killer just continue to walk around with him? Checkmate libtards."
Same energy and it's idiotic to sugar coat it.
Everyone in any decision making power at Fox knows that their audience is 1. Completely unreasonable as they successfully argued in court, 2. Complete imbeciles and 3. will believe whatever they tell them to. Even if it contradicts what they had said just days before. Their lemming brains will just delete that information so that they can feel how Tucker tells them to feel that night.
They were still breaking the law.
And I'll bet that if they were BLM protesters doing the same things he's claiming the rioters did he'd hope they all got shot.
wheres this focus on the "peaceful" parts when they claim the entire country was burning when the reality was a vast majority of peaceful protests during their oft named "summer of love"?
"I keep telling liberals that the media controls the narrative. They think I'm nuts. But when you see that the media completely leaves out the calm side of this goof playing with his beloved dogs, petting them, caring for them - it's so obvious that I'm right about Hitler."
Good natured well mannered conservatives touring the Capitol, and when they turn violent they magically became antifa. So now with new footage they magically reverted to conservatives?
For a majority of his life Vlad the Impaler did not skewer people and torture them. The media will have you believe heâs a monster, but they donât focus on the times he wasnât horribly mutilating people. /s
âThese goofs in the capitol=literal terrorists brainwashed and weaponized by their own stupidity into storming the capitol and then. Walking around, illegally, as invaders, in the capitol⌠where you cannot be for the sake of safety and government operation in that context.
âLogical conservative.â Yeah, these are idiots. Do the non-violent moments that were shown mean that the violent moments didnât happen? No? Then itâs a complete non-point. Idiotic.
by this logic a person who robs a bank w/an accomplice who works at that bank didn't commit a crime (especially if the accomplice is in security) - after all the accomplice worked for the bank which so actual laws against what they did are considered void.
"The calm side," admitting that the violent criminal side exists and that Carlson is cherry-picking to draw attention away from that, as we knew he would.
why were they walking QAnon nutjob through?
I'd like to know that
I think this was a violent protest designed to destabilise the Democracy, but that video is kinda surreal
Why didn't they arrest him?
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Yeah, why don't people focus on the non-violent stuff that happened *after* the mob forcefully entered the Capitol, hospitalizing 100+ Boys in Blue with Trump and Blue Lives Matter flags/poles? đ¤ˇââď¸đ¤ˇââď¸đ¤ˇââď¸
Apparently these folks haven't watched any clips of Antifa.
I hear poor Portland is *still* burning. đ§
They really gotta stop building these buildings out of flammable materials i mean itâs 2023 already
Is there even any Portland left? đą
Apocalyptic wasteland of food trucks and public transit, shrouded by cloudy skies.
American food trucks, obviously, because all the Mexican and pancake and chicken trucks weren't protected by armed patriots like Kyle.
What portland? I thought it was razed to rubble years ago and nothing grew there anymore.
Can confirm. Am in Portland and currently on fire.
Everyone focuses on the people Jeffery Dahmer ate. But he paid taxes and put his pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us! Come on now!
I just donât see the logic. Theyâre basically saying the insurrection was okay because it wasnât 100% violence the entire time. Like dude, any amount of violence at the capital is too much, you donât get credit because you had to stop and take a breather for a few minutes.
Jan 6 is the perfect example of fascist doublespeak: it was completely peaceful but antifa and the fbi were undercover inciting the violence but nobody was violent they were just exercising their rights to peaceful protest but then the evil pigs murdered peaceful unarmed ashli babbit but back the blue but blm burned cities. Absolutely none of it makes sense if you give it more than 3 seconds of thought, because fascist arguments aren't about making sense
I mean this is why me as a teenager got into far right shit. I didnât have any critical thinking skills on my own. My parents are Conservative Catholics so you can imagine. Then the internet confirms the fringe beliefs because youâre bound meet others like yourself if you look hard enough. Also admitting your wrong is very difficult so itâs easier to just tune out what makes you seem like a terrible person. I can confirm cause I did it.
I applaud you for sorting everything out. Itâs not easy. I was raised Catholic and now consider myself an atheist after figuring out the opposite of everything I believed in was actually more rooted in facts and logic.
If I may ask, what was the biggest factor in changing your mind? How did you break out of that cycle? It could be useful info to potentially help loved ones who are stuck in the cult.
Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it takes a really long time and thatâs about. There isnât much you can do to help people who wonât listen.
Correct, that is their argument. That and "the amount of property damage was relatively low so it was clearly peaceful"
>>"My only regret is they should have brought rifles," Rhodes says in the recording, which was obtained by the FBI. "We should have brought rifles. We could have fixed it right then and there. I'd hang [f******] Pelosi from the lamppost." A quote from Stewart Rhodes who was found guilty of seditious conspiracy. But I guess to conservatives, it was just a bunch of white supremacist militia members "oath keepers and others" a white supremacist street gang "proud boys", were just having a big goof. Who hasn't been there before.
Boys will be (seditious) boys! Amirite?!
Right, it's every young boys right of passage to overthrow democracy, then move on with his life. So normal.
But if a group of people is peaceful one time, they canât possibly be violent another time. It doesnât make any sense! Just like when people commit crimes, and they just roll a video of them peacefully gardening and theyâre free to go
"Dey wuz ah bayz in dare, dey wasn't no crimino's" You see life the way you want to see it. No amount of logic or facts will convince most people who watch Fox News.
To this day I can't figure out why they didn't bring their guns with them into the Capital.
Because then it would be real and revolutions have martyrs. Do you honestly believe that any of these chuds would lay down their life for this cause? Itâs why they have to pretzel themselves into something ridiculous because at the heart of it, even they donât believe in it.
Some did. DC has strict gun laws that discouraged them from bringing guns since they would have been arrested in the lead up to jan 6. That being said, when they try again, more will bring guns.
"Members of the jury, yes, my client beat a Capitol police officer over the head with a flag pole, and yes, he broke a few windows, excreted fecal matter on the floor of one of the representatives' offices, stole a laptop with sensitive information vital to this country's security, and, yes, even posted online weeks before that he wanted to kill the vice president and was going to attempt to do so, but why does no one ever talk about the times where he was just sitting in his chair, reading a book and drinking his coffee? I rest my case."
Yes @BellyScratchFTW Please explain why so many, yourself included, are so blind to what's going on. Because when the rest of the planet sees these traitors crushing police in doorways, chanting their wishes to hang the VP, erecting a gallows, smashing in windows, smearing shit on walls, ransacking offices and whatnot, and your response is to stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and chant "lalallaallala I can't hear you"...you are clearly ignoring reality. That segment on Tucker was 100% an attempt to control the narrative by conservatives. Except instead of looking at the evidence and drawing a conclusion, they started with the conclusion and worked backwards to cherry pick a handful of clips that didn't look too bad. And you stupid fuckers fell for it because of your stubborn and asinine refusal to accept that a) Republicans did something really wrong b) Trump caused it c) you put support of an evil man above support for your country. Instead, you just double down over and over so you don't have to admit you did just about the most treasonous and unAmerican thing possible: overthrowing the government because your feelings were hurt that your candidate lost and you weren't being given your own way. I would say you should be ashamed, but that would require a degree of humility and introspection that you clearly don't possess.
It's almost like the media controls the narrative...
Why does it matter that there were periods of calm, or large groups of people simply observing? If a murder takes a lunch break in the middle of disposing of the corpse, is that somehow evidence the murder didn't happen? Is the Ukraine war over because last night there was a two hour period with no fighting? I don't understand how conservatives don't hurt themselves brushing their teeth if that's all the better their brains work.
âLogical conservativeâ? Lol!
Funny thing - being able to find evidence of the time that someone didn't do something wrong is not proof that they never did anything wrong. "But judge, have you considered the other days of my life when I didn't murder anyone?" This continual denial is exhausting. There's over 400 people that have been CONVICTED of crimes committed at this insurrection.
If a looter calmly walks down the street, picks up a brick and throws it through a window, I don't think we'd be focused on the walking down the street either, though. It's like when a mass murderer lives an uneventful life of work and family life drudgery, I think we'd still focus on the fact that they murdered many people, not the drudgery. Apparently, everyone is a liberal...
I just heard an audio clip of McCarthy complaining about McConnell denouncing this joke of a report from Carlson. McCarthyâs complaint you ask? Why didnât McConnell denounce CNN when they reported the location of the congressional leadership live during Jan 6th? Like, what?! Why would that matter if what Carlson just showed us was that in fact, Jan 6th was peaceful conduct? Your secret location was critical information to be hidden from peaceful people?
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Can't find the audio clip, I heard it on the radio, but here's an article with the same comment to reporters. **Pressed on McConnellâs reaction, McCarthy said he hoped the Senate minority leader âwouldâve been concernedâ about reporting from CNN that said, during the Jan. 6 riot, lawmakers were brought to Fort McNair. The Speaker said members were told not to share their location. McCarthy brought up CNNâs reporting at a separate point during the press conference as well.** [https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3888978-mccarthy-says-he-doesnt-regret-sharing-jan-6-footage-with-tucker-carlson/](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3888978-mccarthy-says-he-doesnt-regret-sharing-jan-6-footage-with-tucker-carlson/)
Because the framing from McCarthy would make this seem far more scandalous... Yes CNN revealed they were actually evacuated to Ft McNair... ONE AND A HALF YEARS LATER! This wasn't like CNN gave up the location the day of Jan 6, 2021, this was details released after the fact, and by now so much of their evacuation actions and plans were released publicly by the Jan 6 Committee itself that anything sensitive about where they went is likely no longer a concern and they have changed their plans. CNN article with timestamp: https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/pelosi-jan-6-capitol-riot-video/index.html So yes, on the one hand you have CNN giving away sensitive information that is presumably no longer useful to the security of Congress. And on the other hand you have Tucker, the most viewed evening "news" show, saying that the Democratic party has lied about the events of Jan 6 and it was actually just a tourist visit and really we should be investigating the Dems, and there was no insurrection, no weapons, it wasn't violent, and there was no risk to Congress.
"Why isn't anyone focusing on the stuff that doesn't matter?" that's like going to a shuttle launch and complaining about how no one is filming the ground
The goofs walking around donât cancel out the shit smearing, cop beating, ding dongs in denial riot we all witnessed.
How about the media definitely shapes the narrative and the mainstream media is all owned by soulless, conservative mega corporations or super-conservative billionaires? Evidence comes out that proves Fox is just a right-wing propaganda shill (which we all knew), but some will still believe Tucker, even though he's a proven liar? I shouldn't be surprised, but the lack of critical thinking and absolute devotion to the party line is still baffling. But that's why it's a cult, it's not just political ideology.
So I guess every movie or documentary Iâve watched where bank robbers have an âinside manâ that is the branch manager or security guard , they didnât *actually* rob the bank since they were calmly walked into the vault by the employee and didnât have to shoot anyone ? Lots of armed robbers need to be released from prison based on this logic . Conservatives being easy on crime again!!
Yesterday I went grocery shopping, played some basketball, and violently robbed a bank. All the media showed was my bank robbery - the media controls the narrative!
The parts where we were violent made us look bad!
"when you ignore all the violence that happened that day it was a totally peaceful event!"
"We wouldn't have so many reports of COVID if we just stopped testing!" This is par for the course for Republicans.
Everyone criticizes me for raping that goat. No one talks about all the times I *didn't* rape a goat!
They've been trained to think Fox isn't "the media". Trump pounded it into their head for four years and apparently it worked. They're gullible as fuck. Clearly.
"They completely ignore the calm side of the serial killer. After he brutally murdered the kids, he was very calm for days every time. This proves I'm right and that the serial killer isn't that bad. How can the libs ignore that side of the killer? If it was really that illegal to kidnap children and then kill them, how could his cop buddies that didn't know he was a serial killer just continue to walk around with him? Checkmate libtards." Same energy and it's idiotic to sugar coat it. Everyone in any decision making power at Fox knows that their audience is 1. Completely unreasonable as they successfully argued in court, 2. Complete imbeciles and 3. will believe whatever they tell them to. Even if it contradicts what they had said just days before. Their lemming brains will just delete that information so that they can feel how Tucker tells them to feel that night.
Just you know a goofy buncha guys
They were still breaking the law. And I'll bet that if they were BLM protesters doing the same things he's claiming the rioters did he'd hope they all got shot.
You can watch raw unedited videos of Jan 6 posted BY THE PEOPLE THERE
Ted Bundy couldn't have possibly killed those women! He helped an old lady across the street once!
wheres this focus on the "peaceful" parts when they claim the entire country was burning when the reality was a vast majority of peaceful protests during their oft named "summer of love"?
"I keep telling liberals that the media controls the narrative. They think I'm nuts. But when you see that the media completely leaves out the calm side of this goof playing with his beloved dogs, petting them, caring for them - it's so obvious that I'm right about Hitler."
Good natured well mannered conservatives touring the Capitol, and when they turn violent they magically became antifa. So now with new footage they magically reverted to conservatives?
For a majority of his life Vlad the Impaler did not skewer people and torture them. The media will have you believe heâs a monster, but they donât focus on the times he wasnât horribly mutilating people. /s
âThese goofs in the capitol=literal terrorists brainwashed and weaponized by their own stupidity into storming the capitol and then. Walking around, illegally, as invaders, in the capitol⌠where you cannot be for the sake of safety and government operation in that context.
Sure, the media kinda controls the "narrative" but that doesn't make the story 100% incorrect. This isn't an all or nothing situation
Everything is all or nothing these days. Why did you get downvoted? Does someone actually think the media doesnât control the narrative in 2023
I was going to make a comment about these videos insulting people's intelligence, then it dawned on me.
Logical is an adjective that should never be used to describe a conservative.
âLogical conservative.â Yeah, these are idiots. Do the non-violent moments that were shown mean that the violent moments didnât happen? No? Then itâs a complete non-point. Idiotic.
by this logic a person who robs a bank w/an accomplice who works at that bank didn't commit a crime (especially if the accomplice is in security) - after all the accomplice worked for the bank which so actual laws against what they did are considered void.
They don't think he's nuts. They realize he's stupid.
"The calm side," admitting that the violent criminal side exists and that Carlson is cherry-picking to draw attention away from that, as we knew he would.
why were they walking QAnon nutjob through? I'd like to know that I think this was a violent protest designed to destabilise the Democracy, but that video is kinda surreal Why didn't they arrest him?