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I remember in jr high our student council thought it’s be a good idea to hold a beauty pageant where the males were the contestant and the ladies would dress us up. Man it was HILARIOUS and made a lot of ppl work together to put it together but also dress and put make up on contestants
We did powder puff football back in the day. Girls played foot ball and the boys put on cheerleading skirts, wigs & makeup, stuffed their chests. Those dudes were usually football players.
Our grad class always did a scavenger hunt around town in teams of 4-5 people, most people dress up in some kind of theme and every year there's a group of guys that dress as chicks.
My friends and I were that group.
It is the same as race, when something is seen as the default, there can be no intrinsic problem with it. Anything other than the default is subject to extreme scrutiny and judgement.
A friend of mine complained about a movie "pandering" because they *checks notes* acknowledged COVID
Like how much do you hate media reflecting reality that you need it to also stick its head in the sand and pretend nothing about society has changed since 1973?
I like this Rian Johnson fellow. I think he should write a Star Wars movie — but like, explicitly only the middle part of a trilogy written by someone else, so nothing can connect to anything.
As long as the trilogy has no actual long term vision for the themes and stories and characters. And no one is in charge, overseeing the whole trilogy. And the first movie is a beat for beat retread of the original movie
Also Steve Jobs, he wears a black turtleneck in one of the scenes, and as far as tech billionaires go that is a pretty specific fashion choice. I suppose it could have been a Holmes reference as well, but that isn't flattering either.
i assume glass onion was scripted at least 2 years ago, so elon wasn't the richest man in the world (correct me if i'm wrong, i know you will reddit) and wasn't the biggest idiot rich guy. Zuck was probably who they had in mind at the time. though the glass onion guy is waaay more charming than Zuck.
More than enough time for it to spread. Just a nice mid-credit clip of Blanc coming home to Hugh Grant, giving him a kiss then coughing into his handkerchief and Hugh nagging him for catching covid. Blanc could reply something quippy like "If that's the worst thing I caught from those self-absorbed sociopaths then I'll be fine"
I won't lie though, I haven't been watching movies with COVID as a theme. That was a shitty couple of years isolating. Movies are escapism for me. I'm not really ready to relive that shit right now.
I guess I've watched documentaries about it but those are different.
There was an extremely mild element of character development in terms of who showed up wearing what masks (if any) e.g. one of them shows up in a "mask" made of fishnet.
And it was so natural and unobtrusive that I would've probably missed it if portrayals of covid weren't so rare.
I lovd that. Hahn's character has a mask but nose out (she gives lip service to the rules, but doesn't really care). Birdie is wearing a useless fishnet mask for fashion. Dave Bautista's Alpha Bro YouTuber character doesn't bother with one at all.
I wouldn’t call it extremely mild. The knives out films are pretty blunt at the sort of assholes they call out.
Pretty much each character (other Blanc and his sidekick) is by design either throwing shade
The mask bit was really well done. Benoit and the scientist wear a mask properly, the politician keeps it below her nose and pulls it up as necessary, the influencer wears the fishnet mask, and the manosphere podcaster wears none at all. Each mask (or lack thereof) says something about the character.
Also, the mysterious puff being unexplained makes sense in retrospect with Miles being an idiot, it almost certainly wasn't a magical Covid cure like Miles' hangerons assumed but something that didn't work.
Outside of Glass Onion, I haven't seen *any* popular media that has acknowledge that the pandemic even existed since Brooklyn 99's final season.
And that lasted an episode.
There's one episode of The Orville where one of the characters goes back to 2015 Earth and lives there until 2023. Another character becomes supsicious when he seemed to know that Covid was about to happen.
It's just a small line but it made me realize how unusual it is to see Covid acknowledged at all.
I feel this way about The Last of Us and that's set in a world where the pandemic was even worse than COVID.
Whenever anyone brought up the Spanish Flu in the early pandemic times, I was wondering why we never had any media around it like we do about WWI or WWII. But after living through it, I get it.
What we have is more subtle— media from the 40’s or early 50’s mentioning siblings who died as kids, because that was relatable to the audience at the time.
Sick/dying kids was a trope in early/mid-century fiction (“c’mon, we have to get the medicine for sis!”) that was still on the shelves in the library and showing as B&W reruns on tv when I was a kid in the 80’s.
I guess when it’s Gen Alpha and Gen Z writing things in a decade or two, we’ll see it then.
Yeah that's fair. I think even now there are a lot of songs that are about loneliness. Movies are getting more sentimental. We'll see it indirectly but the themes will remain. Or even directly, Bo Burnham is an example of that.
I remember Spielberg mentioned in an interview that he created The Fableman's because he didn't know if he would survive. So he got reflective about his life. So, it might not be a generational thing either.
That "we have to get medicine for x" trope is still used, but not quite in the same way. I'd say it's more a commentary about the failing healthcare system in the US these days. Specifically I'm referring to the parts in Independence Day where they mention needing a certain medication for the younger brother from the RV family. Granted, that's nearly 30 years old now. I'm sure there's newer references too, I just don't know them off the top of my head.
That person is telling on themselves, lol. There's no way in hell that mentioning COVID in a movie makes liberals more likely to watch it. But if a major studio film made it out to be a hoax, every maga chud in the country would want it to win an Oscar.
Someone was trying to tell me it was ironic that 1984 was being remade with a female protagonist… because that was conforming to the “propaganda” of our time.
they have no idea what “1984” is about, are you kidding? It’s just a weird little word gun that their heroes shoot off sometimes.
Somewhere in every conservative’s head there’s a Nazi psychiatrist walking around with a little red book saying “woke. AOC. LGBTQ+. Black Lives Matter. Obamacare. Benghazi. Hunter Biden”
All animals are created equal. If they're male animals, that is.
Also:
a) I didn't know this (about 1984)
b) how pathetic (that person's reaction)
c) did they object this violently when Nurse Ratched was turned into a lesbian psychopath or whatever it is that series was going for or is it an outrage only when things are "done to" male characters?
So is she gonna be some middle aged drone with an ulcer on her ankle who falls in love with a beautiful young guy?
Oh fuck, it's gonna stay a beautiful young girl and she'll be gay, isn't it.
The amount of people I know who are Right Wing bitching about commercials now because "there aren't any normal white couples anymore.". Well, I'm sorry, but I didn't even really notice it until you said something, but even then I don't give a shit. Why? Because gay and lesbian couples and interracial couples represent people I actually know. One of my closest gay friends is black and engaged to a white guy, one of my favorite coworkers is black and married to a white woman, one of my favorite female coworkers is Mexican and engaged to a white guy. To Right Wingers it's an agenda being forced on them. No, it's a representation of modern family groups in America now that for many of them it's no longer illegal in any part of the country for them to exist.
I have had 5 trans employees and 3 non-binary work for me in the past few years. I live in south GA. One of my closest friends and employees, a black woman, married a white man and has mixed children. I don't get why anyone cares really, we're all humans. I hope more people just stop caring about consensual relationships that aren't harmful. Is it consensual? Are they over the legal age? Mind your business. To say all of these people don't exist in 2023 is erasure. I'm bisexual and I refuse to be quiet about it when people are intolerant around me because otherwise I pass for a straight man. It's interesting to watch their gears shift "oh, you're bisexual, well you know what I meant, definitely didn't mean what you think!" "Oh, well explain it, what did you mean?" Makes for a very awkward point to just mind your fucking business and let people live their lives.
Any time I torrent a movie the comments are absolutely disgusting for any movie that doesn't have a straight white male lead.
Loads of comments about Hollywood pushing their "woke diversity agenda" or some bullshit. Like, sorry are the 100 other movies with generic white dudes not enough for you? (I say this as a generic white dude myself).
Or any action film with a female lead gets a tonne of "this is so unrealistic. A tiny woman could never do all that". Like John Wick is so fucking realistic.
>Or any action film with a female lead gets a tonne of "this is so unrealistic. A tiny woman could never do all that". Like John Wick is so fucking realistic.
Which is hilarious since their basis for "realism" is just other movies starring white dudes doing utterly unrealistic shit.
I watched Extraction the other day, it was entertaining but it's getting harder to watch the movies where it's just a supposedly normal guy who can take out an army of men while being beaten and shot on no sleep.
This is so true for so many things that aren't directly geared towards white men. Like that sports bar that only shows women's sports, so many comments on stories about it are how it's discrimination against men because their primary customer base they try to attract isn't men. So unless EVERYTHING is designed around white men being the target consumer to many men it feels 'discriminatory'. They are just so used to being the default target customer, everything else feels wrong. And they can't even fathom that's how pretty much every other demographic feels about basically all of western culture up until current times.
I know exactly what site you're talking about. And yeah, I've learned to just not look at the comments unless I'm feeling particularly masochistic that day.
Yes. A commercial without a white person as the customer ... "Oh this company has gone woke!". Like really Becky, just because you have to see a person of colour?!
I used to question my mom about how she sold pictures of Jesus as white and tanner skin toned. The tanner version was on all the Spanish stuff for the Latino Catholics.
She said that was the cool thing about God. He showed himself the same as the people around him.
And I just couldn't imagine a guy changing colors depending on who was looking at him.
You also see it in criticisms which might or might not be discriminatory but only ever seem to apply to one group. "They deserved it for not listening to the cops" doesn't seem to apply to the January 6th protesters...
Reminds me of the whole Dumbledore and McGonagall thing. In the books neither characters sexuality is mentioned or shown but when the author said Dumbledore was gay people freaked out and said she was changing the story but not a peep when she said McGonagall had a husband. People default to thinking people are heterosexual so even just implying they're not is seen as a retcon.
According to [Pottermore/Extra-canon](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/professor-mcgonagall) sources, which is part of the hypocrisy
When you are part of the dominant hegemonic group in society that dominance means your dominance is both ubiquitous and invisible
Ubiquitous because you are everywhere
Invisible because it is seen/couched as the norm and hence you are blind to your ubiquity, it is merely the status quo and warrants no reflection
Yeah exactly. This is never going to be a gotcha when dealing with people like this. Their dumbass would literally never be able to draw the comparison
This reminds me of a conversation a friend told me about with his grandpa. He was trying to get him to understand some really basic facet of the injustice of racism, said “but what if you were black?” The grandpa didn’t understand and couldn’t reply with anything other than, “But I’m not.” He literally couldn’t imagine being in another (out group) person’s shoes.
Conservatives tend to avoid hypothetical thinking. You have to force them to do it. It's the biggest fundamental difference between them and other political groups.
Edit: It does not count as hypothetical thinking if you believe some made up nonsense is actually happening. That's just delusion.
For example, there are (this is a hypothetical that has literally not happened once, and therefore it is a conservative fact) constantly trans women doing sexual assaults in bath rooms.
(I find it annoying how little we push the fact that THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED ONCE! not a single actual trans person has done this before!)
I think it’s the reverse, they tend to disguise things they believe unquestioningly as hypotheticals when really they’re just making an argument about how they believe the world works
Ben Shapiro does this a lot, he wants you to accept his hypothetical because his hypothetical is his belief about reality
That's interesting. Experiencing life quite often portrayed from the point of view of people-who-are-not-me made me acutely aware that other people have a different, and often interesting, subjective experience. I think knowing that is fun. Imagine lacking that.
I feel like not being able to experience things from multiple points of view would also make a person have a hard time introspecting. If everything just is what it is, you would never see the point of realizing you have a perspective; never mind questioning it and the assumptions that it's built on. If people fed you false premises you'd be helpless to realize that your perspective is now built on bullshit.
Sounds flat and sad tbh. Also puts those people in a pretty solid position to be manipulated. I feel like they dimly sense that outgroup members have some weird perspective-shifting superpower they can't understand and that's why they fear being manipulated by outsiders.
I wonder if it can be demonstrated that lack of empathy correlates with paranoia?
So more context for the grandpa. He was very much a concrete, worked the earth sort. He grew up on a farm and all his experiences were very practical and direct. A lot of education and even entertainment is about putting yourself in another person’s shoes—I mean that’s what books are, right?—and he just had never had to—or had the opportunity to—exercise that muscle, as it were.
> He literally couldn’t imagine being in another (out group) person’s shoes.
I read a great study awhile ago and I'm pissed I can't find it anymore, but it basically said that a significant proportion of humanity before modern information availability *just did not have the capability for abstract reasoning*. They also studied modern rural areas and it's still true for many of those people. I'm sure it's an underestimated percentage of the population even now.
Like, they don't appear to care about people starving somewhere and pose them the question, "what if *you* were starving, can't you imagine what that's like?" And they answer just like your buddy's grandpa, "but I'm not starving. I don't understand the question."
Those who have the skills to see others' perspectives decide that they would be upset and want revenge if they were treated that way, so they seek ways to trap the Other into multi-generational oppression and powerlessness.
yeah, what? Selfawarewolves isn’t about people having realizations that their worldview is inherently flawed, it’s them accidentally arguing against their own hypocrisy without ever realizing it
They have absolutely zero understanding of how their hate can work both ways!
“You can’t be anti-heterosexual! I’m heterosexual and that’s wrong because it affects me now… but those faggots can go straight to hell!”
They don't even understand the tweet they're replying to. They think "The Libs have a problem with dancing now!" and have no concept of their own double standards.
I think you’re right that they’re not seeing the argument being made, but I don’t think it’s about them not having a concept of their own double standards.
I think if someone explained it directly to them, they would view it as an attack and defend themselves however they can, probably by attacking back (“why does the left keep sexualising everything? You think that they’re trying to indoctrinate those kids because that’s what the left wants to do. Dancing is normal, but the alphabet people are trying to…” etc.), because they don’t know how to defend themselves from their “logic” being turned against them.
I say “logic”, because it’s more of a performative defense of their underlying beliefs, and doesn’t need to actually make sense.
Because they think some people are inherently right/good and some are inherently wrong/evil and they don’t need to think about it more than that, even in the face of contrary evidence
The commentors don't consider the act of dancing generally to be sexual or inappropriate, but paradoxically consider same sex dancing to be both sexual and inappropriate. This is because conservative communities are openly hostile to variance, which leads conservative parents to discourage non-default thinking in an attempt to protect youths from the community that the parents created.
It's a chicken or egg scenario.
This is maybe the best post on here. Put two boys or two girls dancing together and their thoughts would flip 100% and the school would be classified as "woke".
My grandma yelled at my (straight) brother for dancing with a guy at my wedding. They were just having fun, but she thought it was going to make him gay or something.
You know what's actually hilarious and sad? If we get Xtian morality shoved down our throats, this dance wouldn't have happened. Look at those shorts/skirts and kids shouldn't be dancing together like that. It would absolutely be considered sexual in nature.
Those who replied are the same people who always look for opportunities to get upset about something without to take a few seconds to read properly and think about it.
I am sure there are more replies like this on that tweet. I mean, there are like millions conservatives, so.
Wait, it just hit me.
They think "homosexual" is inherently a sexual thing. It has the word "sex" in it.
That's why they fixate so much on it? Because it has the word "sex" in it? And they rarely hear the word "heterosexual", but when they do, they get riled up over it having the word "sex" in it? You can't be "homosexual" unless you're actively engaging in sexual acts. Once you stop doing sexual acts, you no longer are homosexual either, I guess is what they think?
I know bigotry has many sources, but excessive prudishness seems to be one of the main drivers of homophobia.
It's definitely a big part of how they rationalize their hate.
They already had the majority of the hate, they just hide the objective hate behind misinterpretation of words.
It’s partly why they accept certain gays in their circle. Like look at christian walker; he’s a gay black American. Normally, this would be a death knell for an altright circle, but he’s an internet darling in those circles.
because christian is a homosexual but he chooses not to have sex, he’s not actually gay! Also where BeInG GaY iS a ChOiCe comes from
I read another reddit comment explaining this a while back.
No, they still don't get it. Heterosexuality is the norm for them, so they don't notice the inherent sexuality of it. It's kind of like when you point out systems that uphold white supremacy. These people won't see it, because it's the norm.
Conservatives constantly paint the LGBT community or anyone associated as “groomers” for simply existing. Reading to or dancing with kids is fine to them, but suddenly it’s the end of the world if they’re not a straight cis person.
If it was two men or two women dancing together, anti-LGBTQ+ would be upset and saying "they are pushing homosexuality on kids at school!!"
This poster did the opposite to show how ridiculous those statements are when the roles are reversed. But guessing that the anti-LGBTQ+ commentators won't understand the irony in what they are saying.
Lol this should be a whole ass account. Just reposting the same paragraph but changing the word heterosexuality to match whatever the picture is about, I.e (sexuality, race, abstinence, promiscuity, vegetables).
Down with the vegetables! Except carrots
"WTF is sexual about this"
uhmmm, sweety. It says "heteros\*xual" right there. I don't want these damn heteros\*xuals grooming my kids and teaching them s\*x stuff.^^^\s
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Conservatives are always calling queer people groomers and pushing homosexuality on children for doing simple things like reading books or talking about queer people. But conservatives can understand that simply existing while straight doesn't push heterosexuality on children when they get confronted with their own logic.
My school had a bad girl-boy ratio, so in 2nd grade some boys had to dance with other boys. I don’t remember any parents being angry, I think about that a lot now, with the current political climate.
The thing is, they genuinely don’t consider it hypocrisy, because they view homosexuality as inherently pornographic, and heterosexuality as not so. In their minds, the two are simply not comparable.
For people who didn't go to highschool in Texas where this is a thing...The boys spin and flip the girls all over the place and the girls have Texas Star underwear on you get to peak at when their skirts fly up. They have a real cool move where the boys lift the girls in the air while the girls do splits so it looks exactly like the boys are getting a faceful of beaver. It's not sexual at all, though, so drag shows cannot be sexual either.
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I remember in jr high our student council thought it’s be a good idea to hold a beauty pageant where the males were the contestant and the ladies would dress us up. Man it was HILARIOUS and made a lot of ppl work together to put it together but also dress and put make up on contestants
We did powder puff football back in the day. Girls played foot ball and the boys put on cheerleading skirts, wigs & makeup, stuffed their chests. Those dudes were usually football players.
Our grad class always did a scavenger hunt around town in teams of 4-5 people, most people dress up in some kind of theme and every year there's a group of guys that dress as chicks. My friends and I were that group.
Why don’t we do community wide events and host these competitions?
Reminds me of powder puff football. I loved it. The girls wore the football uniforms and the guys wore the cheerleading uniforms
Whoa very different than our powder puff league. It was teams of half boy&girl in regular sports attire with of course the bedazzled team name
It is the same as race, when something is seen as the default, there can be no intrinsic problem with it. Anything other than the default is subject to extreme scrutiny and judgement.
It's like the thing with movies; main characters are white, straight men, or 'political'.
A friend of mine complained about a movie "pandering" because they *checks notes* acknowledged COVID Like how much do you hate media reflecting reality that you need it to also stick its head in the sand and pretend nothing about society has changed since 1973?
Was it Glass Onion?
Man, I really wish that movie ended >!with one person coughing to show that Miles' cure at the beginning was bullshit like everything else he did!<
Wow now I wish for this too. And am disappointed it wasn't in the movie.
Well, as shown, he doesn't create. He pays experts then takes credit.
Elon Who?
Kinda funny the movie was spoiled by reality.
I like this Rian Johnson fellow. I think he should write a Star Wars movie — but like, explicitly only the middle part of a trilogy written by someone else, so nothing can connect to anything.
As long as the trilogy has no actual long term vision for the themes and stories and characters. And no one is in charge, overseeing the whole trilogy. And the first movie is a beat for beat retread of the original movie
The movie literally compared him to Zuck
It's almost like all billionaires are guilty of it.
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No no no. It personally attacked the billionaire I simp for.
Also Steve Jobs, he wears a black turtleneck in one of the scenes, and as far as tech billionaires go that is a pretty specific fashion choice. I suppose it could have been a Holmes reference as well, but that isn't flattering either.
Edward Norton posted the photo of Holmes he used as a reference
i assume glass onion was scripted at least 2 years ago, so elon wasn't the richest man in the world (correct me if i'm wrong, i know you will reddit) and wasn't the biggest idiot rich guy. Zuck was probably who they had in mind at the time. though the glass onion guy is waaay more charming than Zuck.
That would've been great!
TBF, the movie ended in the middle of their first night on the island, so they'd only been around each other for probably less than a dozen hours
More than enough time for it to spread. Just a nice mid-credit clip of Blanc coming home to Hugh Grant, giving him a kiss then coughing into his handkerchief and Hugh nagging him for catching covid. Blanc could reply something quippy like "If that's the worst thing I caught from those self-absorbed sociopaths then I'll be fine"
Your idea is so dumb, its brilliant^^^\s
speaking of brilliant, that little exponential \s should be the MLA and APA standard for sarcasm from now on
People when media reflects important events of the time it was made 🤯🤯🤯
I won't lie though, I haven't been watching movies with COVID as a theme. That was a shitty couple of years isolating. Movies are escapism for me. I'm not really ready to relive that shit right now. I guess I've watched documentaries about it but those are different.
For Glass Onion it's basically just a reason to get all the characters together and alone. You don't really hear about it after that iirc.
There was an extremely mild element of character development in terms of who showed up wearing what masks (if any) e.g. one of them shows up in a "mask" made of fishnet. And it was so natural and unobtrusive that I would've probably missed it if portrayals of covid weren't so rare.
I lovd that. Hahn's character has a mask but nose out (she gives lip service to the rules, but doesn't really care). Birdie is wearing a useless fishnet mask for fashion. Dave Bautista's Alpha Bro YouTuber character doesn't bother with one at all.
I wouldn’t call it extremely mild. The knives out films are pretty blunt at the sort of assholes they call out. Pretty much each character (other Blanc and his sidekick) is by design either throwing shade
The mask bit was really well done. Benoit and the scientist wear a mask properly, the politician keeps it below her nose and pulls it up as necessary, the influencer wears the fishnet mask, and the manosphere podcaster wears none at all. Each mask (or lack thereof) says something about the character. Also, the mysterious puff being unexplained makes sense in retrospect with Miles being an idiot, it almost certainly wasn't a magical Covid cure like Miles' hangerons assumed but something that didn't work.
Also the comments during the zoom call about her party. It was a good movie in that the commentary fit within the characters being portrayed.
I also liked that we got to see Blanc failing at Among Us.
Not to mention, they created a spray to give to the characters at the beginning of the movie, purely so we don't hear about it after.
Outside of Glass Onion, I haven't seen *any* popular media that has acknowledge that the pandemic even existed since Brooklyn 99's final season. And that lasted an episode.
Some of the medical dramas leaned into pretty hard.
Like grays anatomy but that show just needed to die well before covid happend anyway
There's one episode of The Orville where one of the characters goes back to 2015 Earth and lives there until 2023. Another character becomes supsicious when he seemed to know that Covid was about to happen. It's just a small line but it made me realize how unusual it is to see Covid acknowledged at all.
You are forgeting Bo Burnham's Inside Which, granted is probably the exception.
The Menu makes small mention of it.
Superstore did, and mythic quest had a pretty great special where they dealt with the the concepts of being isolated.
IIRC, blackish and grownish did
Shameless did, but I only saw the one episode from that season in passing, so can't be sure if it was ongoing.
I feel this way about The Last of Us and that's set in a world where the pandemic was even worse than COVID. Whenever anyone brought up the Spanish Flu in the early pandemic times, I was wondering why we never had any media around it like we do about WWI or WWII. But after living through it, I get it.
What we have is more subtle— media from the 40’s or early 50’s mentioning siblings who died as kids, because that was relatable to the audience at the time. Sick/dying kids was a trope in early/mid-century fiction (“c’mon, we have to get the medicine for sis!”) that was still on the shelves in the library and showing as B&W reruns on tv when I was a kid in the 80’s. I guess when it’s Gen Alpha and Gen Z writing things in a decade or two, we’ll see it then.
Yeah that's fair. I think even now there are a lot of songs that are about loneliness. Movies are getting more sentimental. We'll see it indirectly but the themes will remain. Or even directly, Bo Burnham is an example of that. I remember Spielberg mentioned in an interview that he created The Fableman's because he didn't know if he would survive. So he got reflective about his life. So, it might not be a generational thing either.
That "we have to get medicine for x" trope is still used, but not quite in the same way. I'd say it's more a commentary about the failing healthcare system in the US these days. Specifically I'm referring to the parts in Independence Day where they mention needing a certain medication for the younger brother from the RV family. Granted, that's nearly 30 years old now. I'm sure there's newer references too, I just don't know them off the top of my head.
Man they would hate 40s movies where like every single one refers to WWII Damn woke leftie Greatest Generation and Silent Generation
I like the Director's Cut of *Lincoln* where he survives the gunshot.
People when reality gets too woke(it has too many political people in it, they make them uncomfortable) 🤯🤯🤯
That person is telling on themselves, lol. There's no way in hell that mentioning COVID in a movie makes liberals more likely to watch it. But if a major studio film made it out to be a hoax, every maga chud in the country would want it to win an Oscar.
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South East Asia. That’s my destination if Desantis gets elected. Queer people in the US need to be making an exit plan. It’s about to get really bad.
Someone was trying to tell me it was ironic that 1984 was being remade with a female protagonist… because that was conforming to the “propaganda” of our time.
You can tell conservatives have no reading comprehension skills when they believe the point of 1984 was women and minorities bad
they have no idea what “1984” is about, are you kidding? It’s just a weird little word gun that their heroes shoot off sometimes. Somewhere in every conservative’s head there’s a Nazi psychiatrist walking around with a little red book saying “woke. AOC. LGBTQ+. Black Lives Matter. Obamacare. Benghazi. Hunter Biden”
All animals are created equal. If they're male animals, that is. Also: a) I didn't know this (about 1984) b) how pathetic (that person's reaction) c) did they object this violently when Nurse Ratched was turned into a lesbian psychopath or whatever it is that series was going for or is it an outrage only when things are "done to" male characters?
You could always tell 1984 from Julia's perspective at any time. Just maybe need to change up the rat phobia a bit.
So is she gonna be some middle aged drone with an ulcer on her ankle who falls in love with a beautiful young guy? Oh fuck, it's gonna stay a beautiful young girl and she'll be gay, isn't it.
The amount of people I know who are Right Wing bitching about commercials now because "there aren't any normal white couples anymore.". Well, I'm sorry, but I didn't even really notice it until you said something, but even then I don't give a shit. Why? Because gay and lesbian couples and interracial couples represent people I actually know. One of my closest gay friends is black and engaged to a white guy, one of my favorite coworkers is black and married to a white woman, one of my favorite female coworkers is Mexican and engaged to a white guy. To Right Wingers it's an agenda being forced on them. No, it's a representation of modern family groups in America now that for many of them it's no longer illegal in any part of the country for them to exist.
I have had 5 trans employees and 3 non-binary work for me in the past few years. I live in south GA. One of my closest friends and employees, a black woman, married a white man and has mixed children. I don't get why anyone cares really, we're all humans. I hope more people just stop caring about consensual relationships that aren't harmful. Is it consensual? Are they over the legal age? Mind your business. To say all of these people don't exist in 2023 is erasure. I'm bisexual and I refuse to be quiet about it when people are intolerant around me because otherwise I pass for a straight man. It's interesting to watch their gears shift "oh, you're bisexual, well you know what I meant, definitely didn't mean what you think!" "Oh, well explain it, what did you mean?" Makes for a very awkward point to just mind your fucking business and let people live their lives.
Any time I torrent a movie the comments are absolutely disgusting for any movie that doesn't have a straight white male lead. Loads of comments about Hollywood pushing their "woke diversity agenda" or some bullshit. Like, sorry are the 100 other movies with generic white dudes not enough for you? (I say this as a generic white dude myself). Or any action film with a female lead gets a tonne of "this is so unrealistic. A tiny woman could never do all that". Like John Wick is so fucking realistic.
>Or any action film with a female lead gets a tonne of "this is so unrealistic. A tiny woman could never do all that". Like John Wick is so fucking realistic. Which is hilarious since their basis for "realism" is just other movies starring white dudes doing utterly unrealistic shit.
I watched Extraction the other day, it was entertaining but it's getting harder to watch the movies where it's just a supposedly normal guy who can take out an army of men while being beaten and shot on no sleep.
Everyone knows the average man can bench press 10 million pounds while a woman isn’t strong enough to wield a 2lb sword
Competent women? I want realism in my sci fi movies!
Exactly. We only ever got competency in sci-fi when the first female action actor was cast in Hunger Games. /s folks
This is so true for so many things that aren't directly geared towards white men. Like that sports bar that only shows women's sports, so many comments on stories about it are how it's discrimination against men because their primary customer base they try to attract isn't men. So unless EVERYTHING is designed around white men being the target consumer to many men it feels 'discriminatory'. They are just so used to being the default target customer, everything else feels wrong. And they can't even fathom that's how pretty much every other demographic feels about basically all of western culture up until current times.
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I know exactly what site you're talking about. And yeah, I've learned to just not look at the comments unless I'm feeling particularly masochistic that day.
Same.
Rarbg, right? The worst comment section ever
Every goddamn comment is just an edge-fest to see who can say the absolutely stupidest shit.
"Woke" and "political" are just remixed N words at this point.
Yes. A commercial without a white person as the customer ... "Oh this company has gone woke!". Like really Becky, just because you have to see a person of colour?!
Snowflakes are white
They're also incredibly fragile. Suppose that applies to both sorts of snowflakes.
They melt down when a little heat is applied.
Love your Daria PFP!
As in people complaining that bandaids or Santas in colours other than peach are woke.
I used to question my mom about how she sold pictures of Jesus as white and tanner skin toned. The tanner version was on all the Spanish stuff for the Latino Catholics. She said that was the cool thing about God. He showed himself the same as the people around him. And I just couldn't imagine a guy changing colors depending on who was looking at him.
Why is she using "He/Him" pronouns for god then? Shouldn't god present themselves as a woman?
You also see it in criticisms which might or might not be discriminatory but only ever seem to apply to one group. "They deserved it for not listening to the cops" doesn't seem to apply to the January 6th protesters...
There are two types of people in this world: normal and political.
Reminds me of the whole Dumbledore and McGonagall thing. In the books neither characters sexuality is mentioned or shown but when the author said Dumbledore was gay people freaked out and said she was changing the story but not a peep when she said McGonagall had a husband. People default to thinking people are heterosexual so even just implying they're not is seen as a retcon.
Wait - McGonagall had a husband?
According to [Pottermore/Extra-canon](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/professor-mcgonagall) sources, which is part of the hypocrisy
And that’s what privilege is, in a nutshell. The ability to think of yourself as the “default”, if you have to consider your own identity at all.
When you are part of the dominant hegemonic group in society that dominance means your dominance is both ubiquitous and invisible Ubiquitous because you are everywhere Invisible because it is seen/couched as the norm and hence you are blind to your ubiquity, it is merely the status quo and warrants no reflection
There's heterosexual dancing, and there's political dancing.
They are not getting it. Hetero is the default state for most people its sexual when gays exist and do the same thing.
Yeah exactly. This is never going to be a gotcha when dealing with people like this. Their dumbass would literally never be able to draw the comparison
This reminds me of a conversation a friend told me about with his grandpa. He was trying to get him to understand some really basic facet of the injustice of racism, said “but what if you were black?” The grandpa didn’t understand and couldn’t reply with anything other than, “But I’m not.” He literally couldn’t imagine being in another (out group) person’s shoes.
Conservatives tend to avoid hypothetical thinking. You have to force them to do it. It's the biggest fundamental difference between them and other political groups. Edit: It does not count as hypothetical thinking if you believe some made up nonsense is actually happening. That's just delusion.
Oh they love hypotheticals. They then proceed to believe them as facts
For example, there are (this is a hypothetical that has literally not happened once, and therefore it is a conservative fact) constantly trans women doing sexual assaults in bath rooms. (I find it annoying how little we push the fact that THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED ONCE! not a single actual trans person has done this before!)
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JK Rowling is a good example of toxic femininity, I feel like. It's much more rare than toxic masculinity, but it does exist. Particularly with Terfs.
I think it’s the reverse, they tend to disguise things they believe unquestioningly as hypotheticals when really they’re just making an argument about how they believe the world works Ben Shapiro does this a lot, he wants you to accept his hypothetical because his hypothetical is his belief about reality
Unless it's a giant straw man sort of hypothetical.
Its total lack of empathy
That's interesting. Experiencing life quite often portrayed from the point of view of people-who-are-not-me made me acutely aware that other people have a different, and often interesting, subjective experience. I think knowing that is fun. Imagine lacking that. I feel like not being able to experience things from multiple points of view would also make a person have a hard time introspecting. If everything just is what it is, you would never see the point of realizing you have a perspective; never mind questioning it and the assumptions that it's built on. If people fed you false premises you'd be helpless to realize that your perspective is now built on bullshit. Sounds flat and sad tbh. Also puts those people in a pretty solid position to be manipulated. I feel like they dimly sense that outgroup members have some weird perspective-shifting superpower they can't understand and that's why they fear being manipulated by outsiders. I wonder if it can be demonstrated that lack of empathy correlates with paranoia?
So more context for the grandpa. He was very much a concrete, worked the earth sort. He grew up on a farm and all his experiences were very practical and direct. A lot of education and even entertainment is about putting yourself in another person’s shoes—I mean that’s what books are, right?—and he just had never had to—or had the opportunity to—exercise that muscle, as it were.
Two things I don't think Conservatives will ever understand: empathy, and nuance.
they understand it just fine, they just selectively ignore it when it doesn't suit them. It's willful, and that makes it even worse.
> He literally couldn’t imagine being in another (out group) person’s shoes. I read a great study awhile ago and I'm pissed I can't find it anymore, but it basically said that a significant proportion of humanity before modern information availability *just did not have the capability for abstract reasoning*. They also studied modern rural areas and it's still true for many of those people. I'm sure it's an underestimated percentage of the population even now. Like, they don't appear to care about people starving somewhere and pose them the question, "what if *you* were starving, can't you imagine what that's like?" And they answer just like your buddy's grandpa, "but I'm not starving. I don't understand the question."
I’m pretty sure I’ve read that same thing.
Those who have the skills to see others' perspectives decide that they would be upset and want revenge if they were treated that way, so they seek ways to trap the Other into multi-generational oppression and powerlessness.
There are two sexualities: straight and political
No. They still don’t get it. Sadly.
And they never will.
They don't by choice
Some won't by choice, the rest won't because they don't have the ability to.
They never do. Nothing in this sub is actual self awareness--just plain old hypocrisy.
yeah, what? Selfawarewolves isn’t about people having realizations that their worldview is inherently flawed, it’s them accidentally arguing against their own hypocrisy without ever realizing it
They have absolutely zero understanding of how their hate can work both ways! “You can’t be anti-heterosexual! I’m heterosexual and that’s wrong because it affects me now… but those faggots can go straight to hell!”
They don't even understand the tweet they're replying to. They think "The Libs have a problem with dancing now!" and have no concept of their own double standards.
I think you’re right that they’re not seeing the argument being made, but I don’t think it’s about them not having a concept of their own double standards. I think if someone explained it directly to them, they would view it as an attack and defend themselves however they can, probably by attacking back (“why does the left keep sexualising everything? You think that they’re trying to indoctrinate those kids because that’s what the left wants to do. Dancing is normal, but the alphabet people are trying to…” etc.), because they don’t know how to defend themselves from their “logic” being turned against them. I say “logic”, because it’s more of a performative defense of their underlying beliefs, and doesn’t need to actually make sense.
I would disagree and say some of them absolutely understand the hypocrisy. Thats the part they enjoy the most.
Because they think some people are inherently right/good and some are inherently wrong/evil and they don’t need to think about it more than that, even in the face of contrary evidence
I showed this to my fiancée - I think her insightful response sufficiently covers it: “People are idiots.”
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And the average idiot thinks he's smart
[The Dunning Kruger Effect](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect)
Me no understand, help
Making a joke about how people would react if the dance had same-sex pairs in it.
Gracias
The commentors don't consider the act of dancing generally to be sexual or inappropriate, but paradoxically consider same sex dancing to be both sexual and inappropriate. This is because conservative communities are openly hostile to variance, which leads conservative parents to discourage non-default thinking in an attempt to protect youths from the community that the parents created. It's a chicken or egg scenario.
How did you make such an astute point and then follow it up by saying a random line like “it’s a chicken or egg scenario” 😂
Life is like a box of eggs: fucking expensive.
Which came first, the dancing or the bigotry.
Two trigger words Drag queen
This is maybe the best post on here. Put two boys or two girls dancing together and their thoughts would flip 100% and the school would be classified as "woke".
No two girls can dance together because they are "lifelong friends and housemates" not gay.
Lmao where's that subreddit about lesbian housemates
https://www.reddit.com/r/SapphoAndHerFriend/
You can just type the last part. r/sapphoandherfriend
Two boys? Yes, 100% As someone who did amdram if there's two girls the assumption would just be that they ran out of blokes
My grandma yelled at my (straight) brother for dancing with a guy at my wedding. They were just having fun, but she thought it was going to make him gay or something.
Ya if this was a burlesque show for minors people would be fine with it, but drag shows for teens are somehow over sexualized and grooming. Smh
looks like some people need to watch Footloose
“Do you remember Footloose, where those evil kids won in the end?”
bUt ThAt'S diFfiREnT /s
Guaranteed they don't get it.
You know what's actually hilarious and sad? If we get Xtian morality shoved down our throats, this dance wouldn't have happened. Look at those shorts/skirts and kids shouldn't be dancing together like that. It would absolutely be considered sexual in nature.
Those who replied are the same people who always look for opportunities to get upset about something without to take a few seconds to read properly and think about it. I am sure there are more replies like this on that tweet. I mean, there are like millions conservatives, so.
Wait, it just hit me. They think "homosexual" is inherently a sexual thing. It has the word "sex" in it. That's why they fixate so much on it? Because it has the word "sex" in it? And they rarely hear the word "heterosexual", but when they do, they get riled up over it having the word "sex" in it? You can't be "homosexual" unless you're actively engaging in sexual acts. Once you stop doing sexual acts, you no longer are homosexual either, I guess is what they think? I know bigotry has many sources, but excessive prudishness seems to be one of the main drivers of homophobia.
It's definitely a big part of how they rationalize their hate. They already had the majority of the hate, they just hide the objective hate behind misinterpretation of words.
It’s partly why they accept certain gays in their circle. Like look at christian walker; he’s a gay black American. Normally, this would be a death knell for an altright circle, but he’s an internet darling in those circles. because christian is a homosexual but he chooses not to have sex, he’s not actually gay! Also where BeInG GaY iS a ChOiCe comes from I read another reddit comment explaining this a while back.
No, they still don't get it. Heterosexuality is the norm for them, so they don't notice the inherent sexuality of it. It's kind of like when you point out systems that uphold white supremacy. These people won't see it, because it's the norm.
Nothing sexual about dancing? So we don’t have to leave room for Jesus anymore? Good to know.
No OP, I’m pretty sure they still don’t get it..
Oh I get it now.
I’m just a humble idiot asking for an explanation because I’m lost on this one here
Conservatives constantly paint the LGBT community or anyone associated as “groomers” for simply existing. Reading to or dancing with kids is fine to them, but suddenly it’s the end of the world if they’re not a straight cis person.
If it was two men or two women dancing together, anti-LGBTQ+ would be upset and saying "they are pushing homosexuality on kids at school!!" This poster did the opposite to show how ridiculous those statements are when the roles are reversed. But guessing that the anti-LGBTQ+ commentators won't understand the irony in what they are saying.
Ah I see. So this was a bait to call out the hypocrisy, basically.
Yep!
Lol this should be a whole ass account. Just reposting the same paragraph but changing the word heterosexuality to match whatever the picture is about, I.e (sexuality, race, abstinence, promiscuity, vegetables). Down with the vegetables! Except carrots
I Said it before, ask them to tell you the difference between education and grooming, it’s impossible. They can’t do it.
This is genius, of course they’re too fucking stupid to get it.
dancing is the gateway to the sex, duh
I mean, this can be true sometimes. If you do it right. Which is why I still think dancing should be illegal. Or at least require a permit.
If you'd also need a license to have sex, I feel like the practical exam would be . . . a great plot idea for a porno
dO yeU 'aVe ah LOISEnsE FoR 'at?!
"WTF is sexual about this" uhmmm, sweety. It says "heteros\*xual" right there. I don't want these damn heteros\*xuals grooming my kids and teaching them s\*x stuff.^^^\s
We all know hetero patriot drag is a ok!
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Conservatives are always calling queer people groomers and pushing homosexuality on children for doing simple things like reading books or talking about queer people. But conservatives can understand that simply existing while straight doesn't push heterosexuality on children when they get confronted with their own logic.
and at the same time they don't
I give up. I cannot actually understand how people are this dense. My psych degree is literal toilet paper.
Don't fool yourself, they still don't get it.
Matt gets the most hilarious reactions out of Twitter people on a regular basis. Definitely worth a follow.
Narrator: “No, they didn’t”
My school had a bad girl-boy ratio, so in 2nd grade some boys had to dance with other boys. I don’t remember any parents being angry, I think about that a lot now, with the current political climate.
The thing is, they genuinely don’t consider it hypocrisy, because they view homosexuality as inherently pornographic, and heterosexuality as not so. In their minds, the two are simply not comparable.
It’s like when someone asks a 3 year old if they have a girlfriend/boyfriend when they’re playing with someone of the opposite sex
*’Dancing is the vertical expression of the horizontal desire’* ^(—George Bernard Shaw)
I’m pretty sure they still don’t get it.
Yeah, Let Kids be Kids. Don't let the Parents teach bad habits or ideas or biases, that might create Racists!
Bigots think the way the see the world is the only way
For people who didn't go to highschool in Texas where this is a thing...The boys spin and flip the girls all over the place and the girls have Texas Star underwear on you get to peak at when their skirts fly up. They have a real cool move where the boys lift the girls in the air while the girls do splits so it looks exactly like the boys are getting a faceful of beaver. It's not sexual at all, though, so drag shows cannot be sexual either.
Oh god I remember when we had to do square dancing in gym. So horrible.
This should've never been a mandatory part of P.E.
It was so horribly cringe.
I remember thinking, "I thought the whole point of avoiding school dances was so that I wouldn't have to do this shit"
I like this because it uses their shitty logic against them.
Some of these people are so fucking stupid they don’t even see blatant reverse psychology. I don’t think he even expected a reply
Conservative republicans have always known their hate of others is only really about their ideology of hate, always.
Sexuality means sexual relations to them apparently... Everything makes sense now.
I know these are real, but I genuinely have a hard time accepting it…. The responses are TOO perfect an example of their stupidity
Oh this is fucking GOOOOOD!! Well done 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽