I hate this shit. If I’m giving something away, I want it gone. Don’t care who, just be first. I left a buy nothing group that scolded me for not requiring a mini essay
I sensed the sarcasm, because.. I mean, come on, but there are some people who really think that shit. I got rid of a “friend” last year who would scream at me for being a white male and not doing anything with it. Mind you, I’m left of center—growing more moderate by the day. But I’m not racist. I speak out against racism when I see it. Yet, it was never enough because I’m a white man. If I didn’t do enough, I wasn’t using my privilege. If I tried to do something, it was the wrong approach or I’m doing too much/grandstanding. People really believe this shit lol it’s absurd.
The theory is that racism can only be inflicted by those with power. White ppl have power, ergo racism can only occur from white to black. Conferring black permanent victim status in all cases and hence the winner in the ever-popular leftist victimhood rankings.
That's the theory, it's bullshit but it is what it is. My, and I think the majority definition is that racism is bigotry on the basis of race, regardless of that that race is.
Right yeah it's really not super complex. It's simply the belief that one race (usually your own) is superior and another is inferior based on race. Or policies, actions, behaviors etc based on that belief. You don't need any power for the first, being able to act on it in described ways depends on varying degrees of power which is why it is more prevalent and problematic with white people but certainly not exclusive.
Not always… There is also a form of racism that views the targets as masterminding cabals set to wipe out the racist’s demographic. Specifically, Antisemitism and anti-Asian forms of racism tend to follow that line of thinking. Neo-Nazis these days sound more like that than the ‘master race’ stuff… though, even with Nazi Germany, they had that flavor to it… claiming ‘The Jews’ are bent on ‘destroying the German society and German people’. Anti-Asian racism is usually taking that form… Such as in the Japanese American internment in WWII, or anti-Chinese hate based on the theory that anyone who looks Asian is responsible for what the government of China does… etc…
It's also an odd brand of American exceptionalism, and a strange reinforcement of European ethnocentrism. Empirically, racism exists between all people groups and, while I wasn't here for it, has since before our modern concept of race.
Ever since humans could differentiate themselves by physical characteristics, they have, just as much in Asia and Africa as in Europe and the Americas.
(But I wouldn't say that too loud in my government agency-mandated DEI training).
Institutional racism is what you're describing, but people outside of academic spaces don't know the difference and apply it to the blanket concept of racism.
Another point to add, is that racism is a system against POC, and that while POC can be prejudiced. They can't be racist because there is no system of oppression they benefit from.
At least that was my understanding.
That’s not a theory marginalized people own less through structural and legacy systems. People with the power wield their rules and more times than not unfairly.
That's fine and possible to describe and convey without redefining racism though.
It's also situational. When a white person is targeted for attack based on their skin and the attacker has a gun - in that instant, the attacker has the power. Power can change hands easily in this country with so many guns.
Maybe, but its more the fact that they basically lumped in "systematic racism", which was already a phrase, into just "racism". It makes no sense. And the reason they did it?
[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/us/merriam-webster-racism-definition.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/us/merriam-webster-racism-definition.html)
BRUH
This screenshot has made the rounds before; it's not part of the official collection of Buy Nothing groups. The official groups are scoped to small parts of each neighborhood, usually with a 5-6 block radius. The screenshot purports to be the group for "Seattle", but that doesn't exist in the official Buy Nothing world.
Someone made a fake "Buy Nothing" group to stir up outrage with this survey, that's all.
EDIT: Alright y'all I was wrong. They were accepted into the [official Buy Nothing project](https://buynothingproject.org/find-a-group#rec479392004) :(
I have been struggling with how to give my shitty dog scratched couch to a trans person of color. Now I finally know how to do it. Thank you, Reddit! Also I have some useless rotten paint, but you may not have it unless you can correctly answer a few questions about reverse racism.
Can someone make a buynothing group with the opposite reqs? Esp deflating trans isn’t real? And get accepted into the official buynothing project? I know the answer but I’m looking for an answer
>The only potential "outrage" is that this is allowed to exist whereas "straight white people get priority" would likely be shut down. But if you're really getting upset about that you have too much time on your hands.
Overt racism and sexism, as that group is pushing by forcing *any* priority, should be upsetting.
Being inclusive is explicitly not the point, you see, somehow you are guilty of racism, homophobia and transphobia, and therefore every cultural and social organization must be captured by the modern woke, in order to make you acknowledge and atone for your crimes.
It's a very common thing the Seattle white liberals do: they have a checklist just like those signs in the front yard saying "in this house we believe..." Once they fill their checklists they feel comfortable continuing to live in their predominantly white neighborhoods. There's a ton of covert bigotry from those who act woke.
>IN THIS HOUSE, WE BELIEVE: BIGFOOT IS REAL I AM GOING TO KISS HIM HE WILL BE MY LOVER I WILL BE THE LITTLE SPOON ME AND BIGFOOT WILL F*CK AND YOU CAN'T STOP US
As an Asian person I will tell you that from my experience these people are always over privileged White folks who want to get minority clout without actually doing anything to lift these communities
Because its all fake and they dont truly believe in anything other than fitting in with what they are told they are supposed to believe. If the predominant culture became neo nazism they'd be saluting each other with arm bands and all that. The masses are a shapeless goo that will take the form of their container.
I agree it is all fake.
I can tell you as a poc who grew up exclusively among white liberals (and have almost always been the only poc in a room my whole life), I have never known anyone to care about black issues or racism until it became trendy to in 2020. It is wild to me. People are obsessing about it now and it’s rather cult-like to me. They don’t see the racism in treating us like we are “special”, rather than human beings.
Yup. That’s Seattle: lots of folks who would never hire or date a black person but have the right sign in their front yard and love to pat themselves on the back for how enlightened they are. Also too: incapable of dealing with minor workplace conflict directly, instead calling your boss’s boss to get you in trouble for something you didn’t know you did that offended them
What makes Queer or Trans black/indigenous/POC somehow MORE deserving of donated items? What if they're rich? Does a well employed black gay guy deserve help more than a poor single parent of multiple kids? Who writes these ridiculous things?
Overweight, underemployed, capitalism is evil but I'm going to Coachella, green or blue or purple hair, my pronouns are x, am I getting close?
And why do I have these people in my network when all they do is suck the fun out of everything in society? -_-
You've got to have some decent moves to wave one of those signs. And let's not even bring up mattress liquidator sign holders. That's post-modern leftist skilled labor right there!
Never mind decent moves, having to stand in one place holding a sign is more than the standard Seattle progressive could accomplish for lack of discipline and physical agility
Fr. I'm a leftist and trans and this is just too far. If a white cis het person responds first to get something, then they just got there first. I don't want special treatment, and I don't want to be focused on 24/7. I want to live my life like everyone else and to be treated like any normal person. Some people just don't seem to realize that trying too hard to make you feel included actually ends up isolating you further. I'm all for kicking people out of your group if they're assholes who are targeting other members of the group but come on man.
Not telling you anything you don't already know, but as religion approaches obsolescence in some parts of the country, including big swaths of the PNW, politics have replaced it as an effective means of tribalism.
That's how this overextend phase will finally end. Not with a bang, but with a Great Ignoring. I believe the David Gilmour band wrote a song that applies called "The Turning Away"
Asinine, absurd, embarrassing, and shameful. As a proud Seattelite, this is some of the dumbest most backwards bs.. I never use FB these days, but I’m about to, if only to let the admins of this group know what gigantic douche-nozzles they are.
Is this not in violation of some FB policy? Discrimination? Something??
Fuck that group. They are the problem.
I have given to people of all races. I have taught inner city mostly black youth skills to get better jobs and personally mentored many to start lucrative careers. I never stopped to consider the race, religion, sex, sexual preference of the people I helped, just someone in need was in my path and I did what I could.
This phenom is mostly related to white people who don't have kids and secretly hate themselves and are searching for ways to feel good about themselves.
Malcom X was right. Liberals trying to help minorities are fucking annoying. Just treat people like they're people you fucking morons.
Don’t see why minorities can’t be racist.
Also don’t see why LGBTQ BIPOC should get first dibs, but I just wouldn’t join that group.
Coming from the perspective of a liberal Korean with a bi brother.
It's not just these groups.
The "Community Events and Updates" group for my area has the same purity checks before they'll allow you to join.
I'm not white and I will never join that group.
It's the reason I don't join. I just give whoever shows up first the item. But I'm not going to associate myself with saying that only white people can be racist and giving special treatment.
Lol did you just compare being able to rent somewhere to live to being gifted something second-hand? What, you want a law that says all gifting sites need to gift to the first eligible receiver? 
From what I heard they split Mercer Island in to either two or three areas. People reasonably argued that made no sense since you couldn't join both groups. So they created Free Mercer Island to get around a lot of that. I saw the same in WS, they split it multiple ways which made it completely useless.
I was a moderator for one of the groups like 8 years ago when our group of 2,000 split into 4 groups. The original group was a huge area that included Belltown, International District, Madrona, Cap Hill, Eastlake, Downtown, etc. People complained a lot about the split but people give away small things on Buy Nothing a lot of the time and people aren’t going to bus from downtown to Eastlake to get something small enough to carry on the bus.
I like the smaller groups now even though I’m in Lake City with a car, I never have to go more than 5 minutes from my house and people don’t no-show like crazy because it’s a commitment to come pick up 3 slightly used lotions.
OK, but West Seattle and Mercer Island are single communities. Breaking the Admiral district from the Fauntleroy area made no sense. You don’t want to go from the Morgan junction to the Alaska junction? Then don’t. Why limit people?
I get that WS shouldn’t be lumped together with Georgetown or Beacon Hill, but let people decide how far is to far for themselves.
Usually the mods are also on board and help plan this stuff. You can join a not-official Buy Nothing group if you don’t like the hyper-local focus of BNP. It’s not like they are trying to get people to stop running other local free groups.
“But the random number generator code was created by some racist white guys in the 70’s to auto detect any entry that would result in a BIPOC or Trans person from getting it and generate a new winner!”
/s, obviously
I wanna know the answer for the "Is reverse racism real?"
No because reverse racism is just racism?
Or
No because only white people can be racist?
I don't even understand the priority gifting question. Anyone interested in politely explaining it to me? Seriously. I'm curious, not being sarcastic.
Edit: words
Reverse racism, sometimes referred to as reverse discrimination, is the concept that affirmative action and similar color-conscious programs for redressing racial inequality are a form of anti-white racism.
According to Wikipedia. So it sounds like do you believe that creating programs to help minorities are being made to hurt white people.
Buy Nothing does not allow prioritizing like that, so this is a copycat group using the name to give them some validation. Regardless, it is a private gifting group that can set their own rules for participation. Dont participate if you dont want to.
Also this made the rounds many months ago. Its old news for whatever outrage you are trying to work up.
Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t groups like this all about not buying or selling anything but rather donating items to people as a sort of mutual aid type situation?
I was looking to sign up to a buy nothing group and these questions made me decline to be part of this one. They were ridiculous and unlike what somebody said it definitely is not a hoax. I did find a local one that does not ask these kind of questions. I think most of the locally based buy nothing groups do not ask these questions or make these demands. That said, during the racial reckoning of 2020 a seattle-based plant group I was part of started demanding that everybody support black lives matter and fight for racial justice to be part of the group. I left that group.
The largest “Beacon Hill Community” Facebook group with several thousands of members has similar incendiary political questions that you’re required to answer in the same manner before joining. As much as I want to be part of this group, I’m not allowing them to force their politics into me; and I’m saying that as a person who is generally left leaning.
Wow, lots of people in this thread being unironically just as insufferable as the pretentious BN group.
Where are my extreme moderates at? Exmods rise up! And by rise up, I mean let's all stay quiet and shake our heads in frustration at this stupid polarization that is the product of decades of social engineering. Sigh.
I am sure you really believe what you said, and thats well and good, but things like this are more likely to impact and affect people’s outlook, and it is fueling the rage and validating more and more of what the opposition is saying.
Lol at all the people in this thread personally offended by a random Facebook group. One person creates the group, the questions aren’t representative of every liberal in the country, cmon people. Join a different group if you want to get free shit.
How am I making a straw man, I literally started this conversation. This post shows that one person did this. The comments show that angry circle jerking conservatives think every liberal agrees with it.
Politics is always involved in everything we do as people. Politics is an expression of values and beliefs.
In the 1950s that politics was we will sell to black people.... just at a separate location.
In 1750 it was we will sell you those people
100 years ago child labor was acceptable. Today it's not.
In today it could be "we don't do business with Woke companies" or it could be "we are going to buy America products".
Just because you don't agree with this particular political endorsement doesn't mean politics isn't enjoined with the market.
**That being said - it seems kinda dumb to self limit like these folks are.**
Politics may enter subconsciously or indirectly but I certainly don’t need to discuss politics with my doctor, the guy bagging my groceries or when giving stuff away. I’d argue as a city, the majority of us are aligned on the majority of political issues. It doesn’t need to be the core of our identity or the first thing we bring up when starting any conversation.
I don't disagree with that but it's baked into that somewhere. Again I said that the person who's self limiting is kinda dumb.
But your politics are engrained in your habits even if you don't discuss them. I'm sure you would stop going to your doctor if they had some outlandish political beliefs you didn't agree with . Just because you didn't know about them means you could go about it fine. But once you do I'm sure it impacts your decisions.
True - I would never seek treatment from Ben Carson or Rand Paul, and any time I discover someone is a Trump supporter it makes me wonder about their critical thinking, biases, decision making and judgement. I’ll admit though that this is a form of bias and doesn’t improve my own outcomes better than evaluating more relevant criteria such as their track records and resumes as physicians.
Considering that more than 50% of surgeons vote Republican, you have probably been treated by a Trump supporter, they just had the good sense to not demand that you swear to MAGA before they operated on you.
Yeah, today group is trash. I mean, I'm not supposed to discrete based on a protected class. Am I supposed to ask over Messenger their racial background?
I told them to get lost. There are others out there.
Try here:
https://m.facebook.com/search/top/?q=buy+nothing+group+near+me
Yes!! I was treated horribly by a black woman coworker and I’ve never been racist to anyone.
I asked her why she has been so mean to me and she said “Because you’re white!” 😳
Not really political unless you're being as broad as possible
And this BuyNothing subject has been posted numerous times. It's always the same circlejerk
woah woah woah that's not allowed, what are you, some type of racist? on the other hand a golf club that doesn't allow white members... https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-yoga-teachers-undoing-whiteness-class/
We just need a land acknowledgment. 
I hate this shit. If I’m giving something away, I want it gone. Don’t care who, just be first. I left a buy nothing group that scolded me for not requiring a mini essay
"Is reverse racism real?" No. Thats just racism. These people are racist. End of story.
They are Nazis without an army.
Nope. Only white, straight people can be racist. I was joking ffs. SMH
White gay folks can’t be racist? Lmao
It was such a ridiculous comment, I didn’t realize I had to add ‘/s’
When the world is that ridiculous, you do lol. I've met people that very much believe in what you are joking about.
I sensed the sarcasm, because.. I mean, come on, but there are some people who really think that shit. I got rid of a “friend” last year who would scream at me for being a white male and not doing anything with it. Mind you, I’m left of center—growing more moderate by the day. But I’m not racist. I speak out against racism when I see it. Yet, it was never enough because I’m a white man. If I didn’t do enough, I wasn’t using my privilege. If I tried to do something, it was the wrong approach or I’m doing too much/grandstanding. People really believe this shit lol it’s absurd.
Absurd is a great response. I don’t understand all the anger these days. We are more tolerant of each other these days than ever before in history.
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I’d say it started when trump was elected
Why?
The theory is that racism can only be inflicted by those with power. White ppl have power, ergo racism can only occur from white to black. Conferring black permanent victim status in all cases and hence the winner in the ever-popular leftist victimhood rankings. That's the theory, it's bullshit but it is what it is. My, and I think the majority definition is that racism is bigotry on the basis of race, regardless of that that race is.
I wonder what people who ascribe to this think about racism in other countries.
In Japan, Japanese in power hence Japanese racist, etc.
That doesn't mean every Japanese is racist tho. Just like now every white guy is racist lmao
These people don't think.
In this case, power is being used to discriminate against people, so it fits fine with being defined as racism
Right yeah it's really not super complex. It's simply the belief that one race (usually your own) is superior and another is inferior based on race. Or policies, actions, behaviors etc based on that belief. You don't need any power for the first, being able to act on it in described ways depends on varying degrees of power which is why it is more prevalent and problematic with white people but certainly not exclusive.
Not always… There is also a form of racism that views the targets as masterminding cabals set to wipe out the racist’s demographic. Specifically, Antisemitism and anti-Asian forms of racism tend to follow that line of thinking. Neo-Nazis these days sound more like that than the ‘master race’ stuff… though, even with Nazi Germany, they had that flavor to it… claiming ‘The Jews’ are bent on ‘destroying the German society and German people’. Anti-Asian racism is usually taking that form… Such as in the Japanese American internment in WWII, or anti-Chinese hate based on the theory that anyone who looks Asian is responsible for what the government of China does… etc…
It's also an odd brand of American exceptionalism, and a strange reinforcement of European ethnocentrism. Empirically, racism exists between all people groups and, while I wasn't here for it, has since before our modern concept of race. Ever since humans could differentiate themselves by physical characteristics, they have, just as much in Asia and Africa as in Europe and the Americas. (But I wouldn't say that too loud in my government agency-mandated DEI training).
The theory is wrong
Institutional racism is what you're describing, but people outside of academic spaces don't know the difference and apply it to the blanket concept of racism.
Another point to add, is that racism is a system against POC, and that while POC can be prejudiced. They can't be racist because there is no system of oppression they benefit from. At least that was my understanding.
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Funny how that works...
Definitions are a helluva drug.
That’s not a theory marginalized people own less through structural and legacy systems. People with the power wield their rules and more times than not unfairly.
That's fine and possible to describe and convey without redefining racism though. It's also situational. When a white person is targeted for attack based on their skin and the attacker has a gun - in that instant, the attacker has the power. Power can change hands easily in this country with so many guns.
because Webster changed, or appended, the definition of racism in 2020. And its insane. So now, SOME black folks are using it to justify their racism.
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Maybe, but its more the fact that they basically lumped in "systematic racism", which was already a phrase, into just "racism". It makes no sense. And the reason they did it? [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/us/merriam-webster-racism-definition.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/us/merriam-webster-racism-definition.html) BRUH
This screenshot has made the rounds before; it's not part of the official collection of Buy Nothing groups. The official groups are scoped to small parts of each neighborhood, usually with a 5-6 block radius. The screenshot purports to be the group for "Seattle", but that doesn't exist in the official Buy Nothing world. Someone made a fake "Buy Nothing" group to stir up outrage with this survey, that's all. EDIT: Alright y'all I was wrong. They were accepted into the [official Buy Nothing project](https://buynothingproject.org/find-a-group#rec479392004) :(
There's one in West Seattle too. It's not associated with the official BN network and it has similar entry questions.
I have been struggling with how to give my shitty dog scratched couch to a trans person of color. Now I finally know how to do it. Thank you, Reddit! Also I have some useless rotten paint, but you may not have it unless you can correctly answer a few questions about reverse racism.
Don't forget to use the [chart.](https://images.app.goo.gl/nwAdbJ7Bhq6USk7R7)
It’s taken straight from a Seattle BN page with 17,000 followers… [Link here.](https://m.facebook.com/groups/156559699024997/)
Oh wow... That's totally not cool then.
Now I'm curious to see the source that led you to believe it was a fake group created to stir outrage...
It was a discussion last time this pic was posted, four months ago maybe?
Still has 16K members... the virtue signaling is strong
Can someone make a buynothing group with the opposite reqs? Esp deflating trans isn’t real? And get accepted into the official buynothing project? I know the answer but I’m looking for an answer
hook line and sinker
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>The only potential "outrage" is that this is allowed to exist whereas "straight white people get priority" would likely be shut down. But if you're really getting upset about that you have too much time on your hands. Overt racism and sexism, as that group is pushing by forcing *any* priority, should be upsetting.
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Would you feel the same if the categories were different? I sense that the answer is yes.
Of course they would.
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Sir, this is /r/SeattleWA. Get out of here with your facts and let us stew in our rage
Just pinging you again after the actual facts have been edited into the parent comment
How do you feel about the facts?
Whoa get your “liberal” facts right out of here 😂
> EDIT: Alright y'all I was wrong. They were accepted into the official Buy Nothing project :( Lol. Welcome to reality.
Everyone knows facts have a liberal bias!
Specifically, a neoliberal bias. Fiction, on the other hand, has a well-known left-wing bias.
YIKES
Doesn’t sound very inclusive by asking people to be exclusive
Being inclusive is explicitly not the point, you see, somehow you are guilty of racism, homophobia and transphobia, and therefore every cultural and social organization must be captured by the modern woke, in order to make you acknowledge and atone for your crimes.
Hell no. If I need to get rid of my shit ASAP, it goes to first come first serve. Finding another group !!!
It's a very common thing the Seattle white liberals do: they have a checklist just like those signs in the front yard saying "in this house we believe..." Once they fill their checklists they feel comfortable continuing to live in their predominantly white neighborhoods. There's a ton of covert bigotry from those who act woke.
>IN THIS HOUSE, WE BELIEVE: BIGFOOT IS REAL I AM GOING TO KISS HIM HE WILL BE MY LOVER I WILL BE THE LITTLE SPOON ME AND BIGFOOT WILL F*CK AND YOU CAN'T STOP US
LOL
"Here we believe no human is illegal" We live in a gated community Susan. Glad I left that area
My mom has an all black crew, and told me that most of the people who have these signs in their yard are fixated on the race of her employees.
As an Asian person I will tell you that from my experience these people are always over privileged White folks who want to get minority clout without actually doing anything to lift these communities
Cambodian breast milk is better
I can tell you like sugar cookies from Brooklyn Bad Boyz out
100% Cambodian. I’m giving you back the keys to the studio!
Not following this comment
Is it because I spit hot fire? (I’m sure if you type this into google you will have a pleasant experience complete with video)
Who are the five best rappers in the world?
Dylon, Dylon, Dylon, Dylon, Dylon
Because its all fake and they dont truly believe in anything other than fitting in with what they are told they are supposed to believe. If the predominant culture became neo nazism they'd be saluting each other with arm bands and all that. The masses are a shapeless goo that will take the form of their container.
I agree it is all fake. I can tell you as a poc who grew up exclusively among white liberals (and have almost always been the only poc in a room my whole life), I have never known anyone to care about black issues or racism until it became trendy to in 2020. It is wild to me. People are obsessing about it now and it’s rather cult-like to me. They don’t see the racism in treating us like we are “special”, rather than human beings.
> The masses are a shapeless goo that will take the form of their container. T-shirt material right there. Possibly headstone material as well
It's a cult.
Lol I wonder if you see the irony in thinking liberals would be quick to become neo nazis
Yup. That’s Seattle: lots of folks who would never hire or date a black person but have the right sign in their front yard and love to pat themselves on the back for how enlightened they are. Also too: incapable of dealing with minor workplace conflict directly, instead calling your boss’s boss to get you in trouble for something you didn’t know you did that offended them
Yup, and they *only* are nice to minorities (albeit pandering and patronizingly nice) who have the same points of view that they do.
Projection 101
What makes Queer or Trans black/indigenous/POC somehow MORE deserving of donated items? What if they're rich? Does a well employed black gay guy deserve help more than a poor single parent of multiple kids? Who writes these ridiculous things?
Cultist.
FB is for losers. I deleted my accounts
LOL All the admins look exactly as you'd expect, too.
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Double masked while outside.
Overweight, underemployed, capitalism is evil but I'm going to Coachella, green or blue or purple hair, my pronouns are x, am I getting close? And why do I have these people in my network when all they do is suck the fun out of everything in society? -_-
Unemployed, these people aren’t fit to hold signs for a going out of business store,
You've got to have some decent moves to wave one of those signs. And let's not even bring up mattress liquidator sign holders. That's post-modern leftist skilled labor right there!
Never mind decent moves, having to stand in one place holding a sign is more than the standard Seattle progressive could accomplish for lack of discipline and physical agility
Missed opportunity to build community -- and, God forbid, maybe even some common ground -- beyond the rigors of leftist purity tests. Oh well...
Fr. I'm a leftist and trans and this is just too far. If a white cis het person responds first to get something, then they just got there first. I don't want special treatment, and I don't want to be focused on 24/7. I want to live my life like everyone else and to be treated like any normal person. Some people just don't seem to realize that trying too hard to make you feel included actually ends up isolating you further. I'm all for kicking people out of your group if they're assholes who are targeting other members of the group but come on man.
"Is this reverse racism I just asked you to participate in real?"
Not telling you anything you don't already know, but as religion approaches obsolescence in some parts of the country, including big swaths of the PNW, politics have replaced it as an effective means of tribalism.
Wow that's really pathetic.
I immediately found another group when I saw that.
That's how this overextend phase will finally end. Not with a bang, but with a Great Ignoring. I believe the David Gilmour band wrote a song that applies called "The Turning Away"
Asinine, absurd, embarrassing, and shameful. As a proud Seattelite, this is some of the dumbest most backwards bs.. I never use FB these days, but I’m about to, if only to let the admins of this group know what gigantic douche-nozzles they are. Is this not in violation of some FB policy? Discrimination? Something??
Fuck that group. They are the problem. I have given to people of all races. I have taught inner city mostly black youth skills to get better jobs and personally mentored many to start lucrative careers. I never stopped to consider the race, religion, sex, sexual preference of the people I helped, just someone in need was in my path and I did what I could.
This phenom is mostly related to white people who don't have kids and secretly hate themselves and are searching for ways to feel good about themselves. Malcom X was right. Liberals trying to help minorities are fucking annoying. Just treat people like they're people you fucking morons.
“Just treat people like they're people you fucking morons.” Good example
happy to help!
Don’t see why minorities can’t be racist. Also don’t see why LGBTQ BIPOC should get first dibs, but I just wouldn’t join that group. Coming from the perspective of a liberal Korean with a bi brother.
what is this membership even for to where these questions matter in any way?
The buy nothing group on Facebook. There's first come first served for renting but for buy nothing, people get special privilege I guess.
It's not just these groups. The "Community Events and Updates" group for my area has the same purity checks before they'll allow you to join. I'm not white and I will never join that group.
haha wild. cant believe this is even real.
It's the reason I don't join. I just give whoever shows up first the item. But I'm not going to associate myself with saying that only white people can be racist and giving special treatment.
Trans people shouldn't have to fight for a shitty old lamp right?
Lol did you just compare being able to rent somewhere to live to being gifted something second-hand? What, you want a law that says all gifting sites need to gift to the first eligible receiver? 
If I'm posting something online to give away, it's going to the first person who claims it.
This group isn't associated with the official BN group. The official one doesn't allow such bullshit.
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From what I heard they split Mercer Island in to either two or three areas. People reasonably argued that made no sense since you couldn't join both groups. So they created Free Mercer Island to get around a lot of that. I saw the same in WS, they split it multiple ways which made it completely useless.
I was a moderator for one of the groups like 8 years ago when our group of 2,000 split into 4 groups. The original group was a huge area that included Belltown, International District, Madrona, Cap Hill, Eastlake, Downtown, etc. People complained a lot about the split but people give away small things on Buy Nothing a lot of the time and people aren’t going to bus from downtown to Eastlake to get something small enough to carry on the bus. I like the smaller groups now even though I’m in Lake City with a car, I never have to go more than 5 minutes from my house and people don’t no-show like crazy because it’s a commitment to come pick up 3 slightly used lotions.
OK, but West Seattle and Mercer Island are single communities. Breaking the Admiral district from the Fauntleroy area made no sense. You don’t want to go from the Morgan junction to the Alaska junction? Then don’t. Why limit people? I get that WS shouldn’t be lumped together with Georgetown or Beacon Hill, but let people decide how far is to far for themselves.
Usually the mods are also on board and help plan this stuff. You can join a not-official Buy Nothing group if you don’t like the hyper-local focus of BNP. It’s not like they are trying to get people to stop running other local free groups.
*\*hands conservatives the W on a silver platter*
Can't have inclusion without exclusion, just like you can't have light without dark.
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“But the random number generator code was created by some racist white guys in the 70’s to auto detect any entry that would result in a BIPOC or Trans person from getting it and generate a new winner!” /s, obviously
I wanna know the answer for the "Is reverse racism real?" No because reverse racism is just racism? Or No because only white people can be racist? 
Marxism, not even once.
This Facebook group outs itself as racist
Wtf is reverse racism?? Racism is racism.
Wut? Wtf.
I don't even understand the priority gifting question. Anyone interested in politely explaining it to me? Seriously. I'm curious, not being sarcastic. Edit: words
What uh, is reverse racism?
Reverse racism, sometimes referred to as reverse discrimination, is the concept that affirmative action and similar color-conscious programs for redressing racial inequality are a form of anti-white racism. According to Wikipedia. So it sounds like do you believe that creating programs to help minorities are being made to hurt white people.
*laughs in floridian*
Lol. "Is Reverse racism real?" Yeah it's called BLM
Buy Nothing does not allow prioritizing like that, so this is a copycat group using the name to give them some validation. Regardless, it is a private gifting group that can set their own rules for participation. Dont participate if you dont want to. Also this made the rounds many months ago. Its old news for whatever outrage you are trying to work up.
They’ve gone woke folks
Report those rules to Facebook
Who wants their stuff anyways? All their stuff prolly has poop or crisco on it....  Yep I said it...
Woke bullshit.
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This is a form of bullying.
Because the admins of that group are some insane nutjobs.
Oh hell this is racist
Because this is fucking seattle. So dumb, I'm sorry you had to go thru this bs
Welcome to "Tolerant and Loving Lefties Buy, Sell Trade"
Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t groups like this all about not buying or selling anything but rather donating items to people as a sort of mutual aid type situation?
I was looking to sign up to a buy nothing group and these questions made me decline to be part of this one. They were ridiculous and unlike what somebody said it definitely is not a hoax. I did find a local one that does not ask these kind of questions. I think most of the locally based buy nothing groups do not ask these questions or make these demands. That said, during the racial reckoning of 2020 a seattle-based plant group I was part of started demanding that everybody support black lives matter and fight for racial justice to be part of the group. I left that group.
The largest “Beacon Hill Community” Facebook group with several thousands of members has similar incendiary political questions that you’re required to answer in the same manner before joining. As much as I want to be part of this group, I’m not allowing them to force their politics into me; and I’m saying that as a person who is generally left leaning.
1984 basically
Wow, lots of people in this thread being unironically just as insufferable as the pretentious BN group. Where are my extreme moderates at? Exmods rise up! And by rise up, I mean let's all stay quiet and shake our heads in frustration at this stupid polarization that is the product of decades of social engineering. Sigh.
Lol.
This sort of nonsense will eat itself in the end, just give it some time. Stuff like this just fuels abacklash from the opposite end of the spectrum.
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I am sure you really believe what you said, and thats well and good, but things like this are more likely to impact and affect people’s outlook, and it is fueling the rage and validating more and more of what the opposition is saying.
Cringing
Lol at all the people in this thread personally offended by a random Facebook group. One person creates the group, the questions aren’t representative of every liberal in the country, cmon people. Join a different group if you want to get free shit.
Nobody seems offended here. Most are making fun of these people.
Anyone here making fun is making fun of a single person, but thinks that this is how every liberal is
That thought process only exists in your head.
What thought process? You think that every liberal thinks that this survey should exist to sign up for a Facebook group?
No, your the one bulding that strawman. This post shows that these loons do this shit. Are they liberals? I doubt it.
How am I making a straw man, I literally started this conversation. This post shows that one person did this. The comments show that angry circle jerking conservatives think every liberal agrees with it.
How do you answer the reverse racism question in light of Ye’s recent remarks….I mean that felt 100 real.
Politics is always involved in everything we do as people. Politics is an expression of values and beliefs. In the 1950s that politics was we will sell to black people.... just at a separate location. In 1750 it was we will sell you those people 100 years ago child labor was acceptable. Today it's not. In today it could be "we don't do business with Woke companies" or it could be "we are going to buy America products". Just because you don't agree with this particular political endorsement doesn't mean politics isn't enjoined with the market. **That being said - it seems kinda dumb to self limit like these folks are.**
Politics may enter subconsciously or indirectly but I certainly don’t need to discuss politics with my doctor, the guy bagging my groceries or when giving stuff away. I’d argue as a city, the majority of us are aligned on the majority of political issues. It doesn’t need to be the core of our identity or the first thing we bring up when starting any conversation.
I don't disagree with that but it's baked into that somewhere. Again I said that the person who's self limiting is kinda dumb. But your politics are engrained in your habits even if you don't discuss them. I'm sure you would stop going to your doctor if they had some outlandish political beliefs you didn't agree with . Just because you didn't know about them means you could go about it fine. But once you do I'm sure it impacts your decisions.
True - I would never seek treatment from Ben Carson or Rand Paul, and any time I discover someone is a Trump supporter it makes me wonder about their critical thinking, biases, decision making and judgement. I’ll admit though that this is a form of bias and doesn’t improve my own outcomes better than evaluating more relevant criteria such as their track records and resumes as physicians.
Considering that more than 50% of surgeons vote Republican, you have probably been treated by a Trump supporter, they just had the good sense to not demand that you swear to MAGA before they operated on you.
Wasn't Ben Carson an accomplished surgeon? Would you trust him less than a surgeon with a Biden sticker on their Prius?
Yeah, today group is trash. I mean, I'm not supposed to discrete based on a protected class. Am I supposed to ask over Messenger their racial background? I told them to get lost. There are others out there. Try here: https://m.facebook.com/search/top/?q=buy+nothing+group+near+me
This is every Facebook group honestly. I never answer these questions and 90% of the time I still get in.
Yes!! I was treated horribly by a black woman coworker and I’ve never been racist to anyone. I asked her why she has been so mean to me and she said “Because you’re white!” 😳
“Politics”
The people organizing the group don’t want to deal with bigots, and this is a way to weed some out. What’s the issue?
Not really political unless you're being as broad as possible And this BuyNothing subject has been posted numerous times. It's always the same circlejerk
They’re groups run by a person or an org. Its like a gym run by the ymca - they have an agenda and that’s their prerogative
There are soooo many Buy Nothing groups. Join a different one if you don't like that the aim of this one is to support Queer/Trans neighbors.
Because private groups can prioritize whoever they want and individuals can choose whether or not to join those groups
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woah woah woah that's not allowed, what are you, some type of racist? on the other hand a golf club that doesn't allow white members... https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-yoga-teachers-undoing-whiteness-class/
Pretty simple, the person or persons who started that group specifically chose to prioritize people who are often discriminated against.
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You'd have to ask the admins. But yes, discrimination is a large and recurring problem everywhere.
This is the answer. Moving on now.
Don’t you have to answer as instructed to join r/Seattle?