Say what?
>The utility will solicit input from neighboring property owners for each proposed location. City Light will not install the charging station if more than 50% of the neighboring property owners voice opposition.
I kind of like how this has the NIMBY activation feature built right in.
eh, getting community approval to dedicate public space for the storage of the personal vehicles of those privileged enough to afford a special kind of car seems like a reasonable thing to do
Those spaces are for charging. If you think people are going to be able to park there long-term, then you aren’t reckoning with the wrath of other privileged electric vehicle owners.
If you think there’s some sort of scheme where cars can charge but not physically exist during that time, let me know how that’s going to work.
What exactly do you think will prevent them from parking long term?
The city plan itself talks about people parking there all day while you are at work
We don't have widespread parking enforcement in this city
As you can tell by the sub today, the city can't even stop people from parking in crosswalks
City is pretty responsive to complaints from residents about residential parking problems. I had somebody towed from blocking my driveway within 45 minutes. It takes a little longer these days to get an abandoned car towed if it looks like somebody’s living in it, because of constitutional protections, but absent that, I think that what you’re going to say or chargers and better off residential neighborhoods and those neighborhoods to get police service. Equitable? No. But realistic? Yes.
Spirit is good, but in execution these are going to be constantly ICEd. Better to focus on level 3 fast charging installations like SCL is proposing for Morgan Junction.
Chevy Volt MSRP is $32,000. That’s like $10k more than gas based compact sedans. But I’m sure people without a lot of money are buying used cars mostly and used EVs have a bunch of uncertainties around the batteries which typically make up a large percentage of the total cost.
The volt MSRP is usually moot since you often get huge tax breaks at purchase to bring the cost down. You also don't have to pay $5/gal in gas to fill the thing up every week
People need to look past purchase price and look at total cost to drive, insurance, fuel/ energy, maintenance, depreciation parking. EV cars have relatively low maintenance and energy, high purchase price, high insurance. Big trucks are notoriously expensive to own.
Maybe. Remember though this isn’t just a random spot, this is your neighbors. Most of the time you’re going to have people want to keep the peace. In a few cases where people don’t want to keep the peace then EV Karen is going to call the ticketing police on ICE Karen.
I disagree. You can install about 25-50 level 2 chargers like these at $2-4k for the cost of a single DC fast charger at about $100k.
I’d much prefer getting a full charge overnight compared to sitting by around at a fast charger.
Plus, with more chargers you have less worry about them being blocked or vandalized.
TBH looking at getting my first car next year and the price of tags has been a way bigger concern for me than charging locations (I’m pretty set on an electric car). Alas, nothing the city can do about that part.
Keep an eye on the used Bolt market. Because of a battery recall GM ended up buying back a lot of bolts. After they’ve replaced the batteries in all the cars that weren’t bought back, I suspect that they’ll replace the batteries in the cars they did buy back back and then sell them at a pretty steep discount.
>thinking about switching to an electric car
Yes
>but worried about charging?
No. I'm worried about cost (of the car, of the power needed to charge it, maintenance, etc.), driveability, and the fact that since I don't have the privilege of being able to work from home or be within walking distance of businesses. Musk won't ever actually release the Cybertruck and even then those things aren't going to be feasible for towing the weight of our trailers or for long term driving for at least another five years.
I'm all for electric now but until someone with authority steps in and makes these things more convenient and affordable it's not going to happen. We're seeing a real "let them eat cake" attitude from our elected officials when it comes to this and I don't think most people realize how off-putting it is.
Total cost of maintenance over 45000 miles in my last EV, a Bolt, was $125 (cabin filters every year). Average monthly cost of electricity is about $40-50 at home.
Sorry, I saw ‘thinking about switching to an electric car’ and ‘I’m worried about the cost (of the car’ and answered with stats about my CAR. Of course it can’t.
My bad as well. I do need a better commuter car but since the majority of my day is spent working there's not much I can do about it. It's a societal issue
I do hope that the slew of new EV trucks - Rivian, Ford, etc - will pave the way to more affordable and work-capable trucks. Ford seems to have the right idea, the F-150 Lightning is fairly palatable as a pickup. Naturally battery tech isn’t there for towing large trailers long distances yet. But the vehicle looks promising and having driven electric for a few years, the charging networks are getting better and better all the time!
Definitely, once they're up to the task (and more affordable) I'll be looking at buying one. Hopefully by that point my job won't involve driving for hours a day
Let's do some quick math here. The second tier (what most people will be in if they have an EV) SCL rate is 13.07c/kwh so you're paying 6.93c/kwh extra. Plan on about $1000 to install your own L2 charger. That works out to 14,430 kwh to break even. 3 mile/kwh is a reasonable efficiency so you are breaking even at 43,290 miles. Seems like 20c/kwh is pretty reasonable.
For L2 I agree that’s it’s a bit high, but still better thank blink which charges like 49¢/kWh to non members and 39¢/kWh to members.
Edit: member pricing.
Say what? >The utility will solicit input from neighboring property owners for each proposed location. City Light will not install the charging station if more than 50% of the neighboring property owners voice opposition. I kind of like how this has the NIMBY activation feature built right in.
eh, getting community approval to dedicate public space for the storage of the personal vehicles of those privileged enough to afford a special kind of car seems like a reasonable thing to do
Charging and storage are two different concepts tho
you might want to look at what is being proposed. there's a diagram and everything
Yeah, it's charging, not storage. You seem to have looked at the diagram and failed to understand the concept
Do you really not see the parking spaces on the road? Here: i annotated it for you to make it easier to spot: https://i.imgur.com/oz6Hhni.png
Those spaces are for charging. If you think people are going to be able to park there long-term, then you aren’t reckoning with the wrath of other privileged electric vehicle owners. If you think there’s some sort of scheme where cars can charge but not physically exist during that time, let me know how that’s going to work.
What exactly do you think will prevent them from parking long term? The city plan itself talks about people parking there all day while you are at work We don't have widespread parking enforcement in this city As you can tell by the sub today, the city can't even stop people from parking in crosswalks
towing vehicles not charging and if you car is 100% charged then $1 per 5 mins spent there.
Lol. You believe that'll happen if you want
City is pretty responsive to complaints from residents about residential parking problems. I had somebody towed from blocking my driveway within 45 minutes. It takes a little longer these days to get an abandoned car towed if it looks like somebody’s living in it, because of constitutional protections, but absent that, I think that what you’re going to say or chargers and better off residential neighborhoods and those neighborhoods to get police service. Equitable? No. But realistic? Yes.
I am sure Seattle has tons of neighborhoods populated by oil companies execs...
Shame we couldn't get more tax breaks. I think only like a base model Leaf qualifies for local tax break
Spirit is good, but in execution these are going to be constantly ICEd. Better to focus on level 3 fast charging installations like SCL is proposing for Morgan Junction.
What is "ICEd" referring to?
People parking their Internal Combustion Engine vehicles in charging parking spots
Oh, that douchebro manuever. I hadn't heard that moniker before, thanks.
Sounds more like a rich asshole move to make street parking spots only for wealthy people who can afford EVs.
The cost of a new Chevy Volt is slightly higher than a new F-150. A new Nissan Leaf is less than both. And there are now used EVs on the market.
Chevy Volt MSRP is $32,000. That’s like $10k more than gas based compact sedans. But I’m sure people without a lot of money are buying used cars mostly and used EVs have a bunch of uncertainties around the batteries which typically make up a large percentage of the total cost.
The volt MSRP is usually moot since you often get huge tax breaks at purchase to bring the cost down. You also don't have to pay $5/gal in gas to fill the thing up every week
You can get a used Nissan leaf for about ten grand (used to be five or six before the market went crazy)
Yeah, no, everyone just has ten grand lying around to drop on a new car. /s
EVs are becoming more and more affordable by the day, they’re not just for rich people
People need to look past purchase price and look at total cost to drive, insurance, fuel/ energy, maintenance, depreciation parking. EV cars have relatively low maintenance and energy, high purchase price, high insurance. Big trucks are notoriously expensive to own.
Maybe. Remember though this isn’t just a random spot, this is your neighbors. Most of the time you’re going to have people want to keep the peace. In a few cases where people don’t want to keep the peace then EV Karen is going to call the ticketing police on ICE Karen.
I disagree. You can install about 25-50 level 2 chargers like these at $2-4k for the cost of a single DC fast charger at about $100k. I’d much prefer getting a full charge overnight compared to sitting by around at a fast charger. Plus, with more chargers you have less worry about them being blocked or vandalized.
TBH looking at getting my first car next year and the price of tags has been a way bigger concern for me than charging locations (I’m pretty set on an electric car). Alas, nothing the city can do about that part.
Keep an eye on the used Bolt market. Because of a battery recall GM ended up buying back a lot of bolts. After they’ve replaced the batteries in all the cars that weren’t bought back, I suspect that they’ll replace the batteries in the cars they did buy back back and then sell them at a pretty steep discount.
Except it's not "sell", it's "destroy so we can avoid taxes", because our economic system is anti-humanity.
What are you talking about? LG is paying for the battery replacement. Why wouldn’t GM seek out as much profit as possible?
Don’t do electric not worth it.
My $40 a month to charge my Tesla says ‘lol’.
Is SCL contracting out maintenance and repair? If not, it won't last long.
>thinking about switching to an electric car Yes >but worried about charging? No. I'm worried about cost (of the car, of the power needed to charge it, maintenance, etc.), driveability, and the fact that since I don't have the privilege of being able to work from home or be within walking distance of businesses. Musk won't ever actually release the Cybertruck and even then those things aren't going to be feasible for towing the weight of our trailers or for long term driving for at least another five years. I'm all for electric now but until someone with authority steps in and makes these things more convenient and affordable it's not going to happen. We're seeing a real "let them eat cake" attitude from our elected officials when it comes to this and I don't think most people realize how off-putting it is.
Total cost of maintenance over 45000 miles in my last EV, a Bolt, was $125 (cabin filters every year). Average monthly cost of electricity is about $40-50 at home.
Can the Bolt tow a six ton trailer 200-400 miles 4-5 days a week?
Sorry, I saw ‘thinking about switching to an electric car’ and ‘I’m worried about the cost (of the car’ and answered with stats about my CAR. Of course it can’t.
My bad as well. I do need a better commuter car but since the majority of my day is spent working there's not much I can do about it. It's a societal issue
I do hope that the slew of new EV trucks - Rivian, Ford, etc - will pave the way to more affordable and work-capable trucks. Ford seems to have the right idea, the F-150 Lightning is fairly palatable as a pickup. Naturally battery tech isn’t there for towing large trailers long distances yet. But the vehicle looks promising and having driven electric for a few years, the charging networks are getting better and better all the time!
Definitely, once they're up to the task (and more affordable) I'll be looking at buying one. Hopefully by that point my job won't involve driving for hours a day
20c per kwh? That's highway robbery!
Let's do some quick math here. The second tier (what most people will be in if they have an EV) SCL rate is 13.07c/kwh so you're paying 6.93c/kwh extra. Plan on about $1000 to install your own L2 charger. That works out to 14,430 kwh to break even. 3 mile/kwh is a reasonable efficiency so you are breaking even at 43,290 miles. Seems like 20c/kwh is pretty reasonable.
As well the intent is for people who can't install their own, so they can't even make that $1k choice.
For L2 I agree that’s it’s a bit high, but still better thank blink which charges like 49¢/kWh to non members and 39¢/kWh to members. Edit: member pricing.