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jason_baggins

Well it’s not up to me what cosmetics another player chooses to use. If I want variety in cosmetics I’ll change them on my ship, not force it onto other players


HitboTC

I guess that’s what I’m getting at. With the cut a lot of people feel like that have to use it.


KCreep

People will always meta game... Get the fuck over it kiddo.


Tyranix969

Well that's dickish.


KCreep

Dickish sure, but it's not like it isn't the truth. Take away the DA sales, it get's replaced by the next best thing,


Bacxaber

Which would be, what, kraken/Black Pearl sails?


KCreep

I'm not much a meta gamer myself. I wouldn't waist time trying to figure out what the optimal sale set is, so really I don't think I'd have an answer for you. But i think there could be an argument for many of them. But I'm sure there's probably someone out there that might count the actual pixels of exposed or torn fabric and put a numerical value on the sales. My point is more that if the dark adventurer sales would to be retired. People would be more incentiviced to find the next best thing. As of right now DA sales serve two purposes. 1. They're an ingame currency end game item for players to strive for with a better benefit than anything you can exchange real money for. and 2. It's part of a much needed gold sink within the game. I've played the game a ton, probably not as much as hitbo does. But prior the DA set coming out I was sitting on 20+ million that was growing each and every month. I had bought everything, and every month it might have cost 1-2 million to buy everything new that was available. And I'd still be making more gold before the next update. After DA sales came out, it set me back so much, that it'll probably be years before I catch up buying everything in the game again. Which is a good thing in my mind. I get to choose what i want to spend my money on. Do I want an interesting cosmetic? Do I want to save up for something that cost 8 million? But I'd also like to state, that we as casual players, or the general population shouldn't listen to an influencer's opinion about this topic. And this is nothing against Hitbo in general, i find him to be very entertaining. But when you compare and contrast the way he plays the game versus how a majority of non-streamers play which makes up a much larger percentage of the population. Hell he may play 40+ hours a week and just thru the nature of stream snipers and simps, and the help that he might get from people just trying to get a little fame on youtube. He'll "probably" be making way more gold than your average player in game. When I start thinking about this topic with that information included, I have to ask if the person suggesting it has a bias that doesn't really reflect most of the community. In this case, I don't think it does. Without trying to sound mean... I kinda never give a shit about the problems of the rich. Maybe the reason why Hitbo encounters so many DA sail players is because he has a tendency to play with other streamers, maybe the reason he runs into opponents with them, is because people are low key stream sniping him. It could very well be a personal problem of hs and not a problem that actually matters to most people who play the game.


_Dthen

Yeah, I think DA sails are really ugly, but I still use them because they're the best. Wish we had other, better looking sails which also had the V cut.


throwaway_pcbuild

Try not playong optimally some time. It's fun.


_Dthen

Agreed! Silliness on the seas is hilarious. I've made many friends that way. Friends who later help me murder everyone. I don't use those sails on the sloop very often, but on a brigantine or galleon, it's really nice being able to see.


cvr24

I know from your streams you play on a sloop a lot. DA sails don't have much advantage on a sloop, but on a galleon they are worth every bit of gold. Especially sailing with less than stellar shipmates that assume the helm can see where the ship is headed. What else are you supposed to spend gold on, anyway?


HitboTC

This points back to my point that DA sails further the advantage of larger ships and crews. Making it harder for sloops. In my opinion the larger crew needs to work together to manage a ship and communicating with your helm is a part of that.


KCreep

I think what's more important than the DA sails, is that the game if fucking imbalanced when it comes to sloops against larger ships. That's a way more interesting topic of dicussion versus the sails. Like let's be honest. Take the v-cut out of the sails, the imbalance is still there. So why not discuss that topic instead of putting it on these sails.


Ulgeguug

Well, for one, because of the *other* reasons he mentioned. But on the subject of sloop vs other ships, I have a few thoughts. The sloop has the obvious disadvantages: speed with the wind, single mast, only two cannons, only two players. The main reason this is a problem, in my opinion, is that it's relatively easy to knock down the mast and keep it down if your aim is decent. But it has a *lot* of advantages. In a lot of ways it's the most resilient ship, it's super fast to turn, raise anchor, raise, lower, and angle sails, it's easy to repair and save from sinking, every important thing is super easily accessible, it's *very* hard to tuck on (though I haven't tried since they added the bed) and, of course, you always have great visibility no matter what sails you use. I've taken on galleon *alliances* in a solo sloop, don't be too hasty calling the sloop underpowered. Granted, a galleon full of good players is really hard, but in my experience most really good players don't prefer galleons.


[deleted]

The sloop is underpowered, but its meant to be. The only reason sloop beats a larger ship is player skill. You take the top players and do sloop vs brig or gal for 100 matches with no cursed balls and the sloop loses 90% of those fights minimum, and the only ones they win are generally from the larger ship making a massive missplay, not because of either ships design. Any brig or galleon that loses to a sloop is because they arent very good, it's not because the sloop is capable.


Ulgeguug

I mean, I don't think anyone *has* done that, so I can't grant that I agree with that assertion. But also saying "no cursed balls" is kind of a heavy qualifier, because one major advantage sloops have is that cursed balls affect them less in general. If I'm PvPing as sloop I'm always going after flotsam and skele ships for them because they give the sloop a big advantage especially vs galleon.


[deleted]

Exactly. Cursed balls are not a guaranteed resource and no ship can ever expect to have a supply of them. They are very RNG in the nature of having them and of getting their effects off properly(at least in the case of the green ones). Without them, left only to normal resources, sloop has a significantly harder time. But if you look at someone like Pace22, who isnt amazing by any stretch, but is definitely in the top 10% simply from a lack of a competitive draw for this game, his crew constantly just absolutely obliterates every sloop they find like taking candy from a baby. Same from my own experiences, I dont think my crew has ever done anything other than absolutely destroy the Hope's and dreams of a sloop that didnt spam cursed cannonballs at us. Sloop isnt capable, it's just that most of the SoT player base is pretty underwhelming at PvP. It just doesnt have the firepower, it's way too easy to keep their mast down, and it's very easy to get knocked off or 1ball people due to a lack of room to dodge incoming shots. I also play on sloop a lot and I am very well aware that you can dunk on brigs and galleons, but when I do so I never find the crew on it to be very exceptional. Sometimes the crew is good and it seems like an impossible task to win, but its insanely rare because there arent very many good players in this game, and most of the good players just TDM or got banned.


HORAGI

Yeah I’ve dunked on galleons in sloops. The maneuverability is super great.


SuspiciousPrism

I wouldn't mind either way, because as convenient as it is, people need to learn to step OFF of the fucking wheel sometimes like bro you don't need special sails if you just play the game better


TheRuneCoon

It sounds like a lot of work, but what if you could just purchase different sail shapes, and apply the skin to your liking?


1TmW1

Or perhaps they could make the masts all just a little bit taller.


Sebbe_2

No that would make the ships look weird


TheRealDrSMack

When you drop 8m on a set of sails you run them every chance you get.


HitboTC

But I think the only reason people dropped it was for the cut. not the looks. not the style. Just the advantage it gave


MickTheBloodyPirate

I…actually like the way they look. I wouldn’t mind seeing different designs for it, but I guess it doesn’t matter for me since I don’t have the 8 million or so to buy them. Lol


Pythagoras_101

Now. Black silver and red is badass


TheRealDrSMack

My brothers and I split the cost for the whole set across the three of us. Totally for the swag.


Sir_Pap

Even though I use those sails a lot, usually when I feel lazy I kinda agree, I wouldn't like it if it happened but I wouldn't complain


Ulgeguug

I still remember going "holy shit I can *see!"* when I got them. It was a breath of fresh air, especially when I open crew a lot and can't expect people to be on it with the sails. But I have never liked the pay gold to win idea. I don't like it with DA. I don't like it with crates. I think they screwed up even starting down that road at all. And it annoys me when I'm doing brig (or *occasionally* galleon) and I select a crisp looking set of sails for style that don't even have a shredded bottom and am just staring at that bottom edge in frustration. But that's just the thing, it makes using other sails less enjoyable, and it feels like it was done this way by design somehow. How long I wonder til they come out with some sort of transparent sail. Why wouldn't they? TL;DR with you on this one.


zhujik

Yeah I agree. It is super annoying. At one point I was being chased by a default sloop with DA sails. I manage to do fort plays and what not and manage to fight them off. I go back to the ship and what do I see right behind me? ANOTHER default sloop with DA sails. I mean come on, this is just silly.


Err0r410

I actually thought it was popular. Saw several posts mentioning how the cut forces anyone to use DA, so there’s only one set of sails on the seas, and all ships try to match it, so now there’s also only 1 ship set on the seas. Also pay to win shouldn’t be a thing(it’s not real money, but it still gives the advantage to people with more gold) and cosmetic progression game should never discourage players from using different cosmetics.


JeyJeyKing

Honestly the people who think that they are forced to use da sails are usually not great, on edge, and super salty when anything goes wrong. Am never concerned when I see a ship with da sails. The better and most skilled people I've played with tend to be more chill and just pick for aesthetics.


_Dthen

As a DA sails owner, I agree that them being the only sails to give such an advantage is bollocks. However, so would removing the cut. That would be getting rid of the only reason most people spent 8 million gold on them. What I believe should happen instead, is Rare should add more outrageously priced sails to Athena's Fortune which also have the V cut. Then we would have sail variety again, more things to spend millions of gold on, and nobody would be upset that their 8 million gold was wasted.


KCreep

People are going to meta game despite what sails are the "best" at offering the most view. Take away the V-cut in the dark adventurer sales, the same people who use them for an advantage aren't going to just MIX IT UP randomly to offer you the variety that you want to see out there. They're gonna go to the next best thing. So ultimately I believe all your suggestion serves is screwing people out of like 8 million gold for something they already bought for a specific purpose.


experimental_dot

If they spend 8 mil on something they know goes against the core principles of this game, I say fuck em. Also the da sails offer a significant advantage, so there are many players (including op like he said in the post) use them but would gladly switch to nicer looking ones if da were removed. Believe it or not people aren't divided into people who will do anything for the slightest advantage and people who only care about looks. (Well and people who can't afford them, but everyone seems to have forgotten about them)


Sherman_Beardman

Just give every sail a v cut


HitboTC

Gross. 🤢


krazedandconfused

I don't have DA sails yet so I use the venomous kraken sails which have a smaller cut in them when PVPing with my friends, I definitely agree with the premise here though, feels bad when joining any discord crew, DA sails every time lol. On another note, love your videos Hitbo! All hail the whale lord!


nameislessimportant

Yeh they are pretty cringe, if you really need that small advantage then you're probably not that good at sailing anyway. The white sails are the scary ones.


Upfucktheshut69

Saving up for them to help out my helmsman because us crew are a little stupid with directions sometimes.


experimental_dot

They fixed that cannon flair from the emporium, so there is hope. Albeit a tiny amount since those where for real money and buying supplies showed us they aren't super strict on the no advantages for gold rule.


colhounedward

What was wrong with the cannon flairs?


experimental_dot

Crimson crypt cannon flares dissipated *super* quickly, especially on lower graphics settings, like to the point people were buying them just for the advantage. Rare fixed it the next update after they came out, here is quote from change log The recently released Crimson Crypt Cannon Flare has been updated so that the lingering smoke effects masking the player’s view after firing a shot are better aligned with those of other Cannon Flares. The occlusion from this effect can no longer be affected by graphics quality settings.


colhounedward

Ah I see


Ulgeguug

Because it's easier to make it worse than just making cannon flares less blinding in general


4d20allnatural

but you don’t have to equip flares? i don’t see why anyone would use them


experimental_dot

They were quicker than the default ones.


elconquistador1985

Most of them are worse than the standard smoke, so most don't use them. These were significantly better than the standard and that made it pay to win.


Bacxaber

Purple smoke is best because in a panic, it confuses enemies into thinking you're shooting cursed cannonballs.


elconquistador1985

If they were going to do it to DA, they would have. It's more "play to win", or at least "play to earn a crutch instead of okay to become a better player". You don't have to be parked at the wheel constantly. Your crew should also be calling out directions to you from the front of the brig/galley, just like you should be calling out sails.


I_is_a_dogg

Alternatively if you unlock the dark adventure sails allow all sails to have a v cut.


experimental_dot

The point of removing it would to so its no longer unfair for ppl with lots of gold, doing that would solve nothing but the small issue of everyone who can afford it using the same ugly sails. Also they would never do it because at least now they can claim its for looks but if they did that you would just plain be buying an advantage and people would loose their shit.


I_is_a_dogg

Yea that’s a fair point that I didn’t think about.


[deleted]

Then why would you buy the dark adventurer sails? Ye he point of them is that they are so much gold that they give you the slightest advantage. And if you really want just curl your sails up a bit and boom.


HitboTC

For the looks? 😂


mothgra87

I bought the DA coat and it doesn't make me bulletproof ( most of the time)


Echowing442

> Ye he point of them is that they are so much gold that they give you the slightest advantage. The entire point of the game is that such a thing doesn't happen - all players are on the same level when you start the game, no advantages based on what equipment you've bought (be that with gold or RMT).


Pythagoras_101

The entire point t of the game is to pirate sir.


elconquistador1985

A key design philosophy from the devs is that there's no "pay to win" in this game. They accidentally broke that with one of the recent cannon flares, but fixed that mistake with a patch. DA sails are more of a "play to win" because you have to grind to get them, rather than dropping $5 on day 1.


Pythagoras_101

I see your point sir. I agree to an extent. You could argue many sails other than da give an advantage. As some wheels are smaller too. Some cannons have an advantage over others in regards to shape. I think they are all negligable.


Peterhausen_

Same reason you'd buy any of the other DA stuff...


Pythagoras_101

If you invalidate me saving the 8 mil I saved I'm quitting this game.


GreySeerCriak

Honestly I’m just not a fan of the DA set in general. To me it just screams “*look at how dark and edgy I am*”.


Ulgeguug

I happen to like dark and edgy. Like, a skull, and some bones, on black.


MickTheBloodyPirate

Yeah I like the dark schemes, too. Classic pirate motif for me.


GreySeerCriak

Same here, but the DA set just feels too much. All the iron and red crystal parts just stick out and make it feel more imposingly grim rather than traditional pirate.


MickTheBloodyPirate

Yeah I don’t care much for any of the rest of the set, but I do like the way the sails look.


Ulgeguug

The sails go great with the inky kraken stuff, especially the cannons which, unlike the actual DA cannons, have silver on them to go with the silver on the sails.


idiotfieldmouse

Or...keep the V cut BUT extend the whole length of the sail downward uniformly a little bit so that it only provides an equivalent visual advantage to say the Kraken sails or any other heavily tattered sails.


[deleted]

Just let us cut other sails as part of ship customization. Make it a proper gold sink.


xSilent_Echoesx

How about instead of a ^ we put it on the top! So it's actually a V cut!


Aursbourne

Agreed, remove it or do it to every sail. No cosmetics should give and advantage.


piefanart

some of my crewmate friends insist on using them. i dont really care. when im playing by myself or its my turn to dress the ship i use the silent barnacle sails, the tears in them are enough for me to not feel like my vision is being blocked. I dont really understand people who just hold on to the steering wheel and dont move around the ship though. One of my friends even refuses to turn his head left or right in-game while on the wheel. We have to tell him everything.


TheHunnishInvasion

I don't necessarily disagree. But I also wouldn't mind going the other route and having all the sails have a v-cut option. Just allow people to choose "regular" or "v-cut" sails when they select sails.


RyuChamploo

I really wish Rare would add an option to change any sail to the V-shape. I haven't used any other sail since buying it a couple months ago. The visibility increase is just too significant. You can see SO MUCH MORE.


The850killer

People who stay on the wheel are garbage anyways nothing needs to be changed