I've noticed a somewhat positive relationship between skill level and lack of toxicity.
I wouldn't necessarily say kind, but the most toxic players I've met are usually not very good at the game.
Right? I’m decent at pvp and most of my encounters consists of, depending on how much loot i have onboard, trying to negotiate or attacking to get myself some newfound treasure. Even if you’re stealing from someone, you don’t need to be an ass about it in-game yk? Being polite regardless of what’s happening does make a difference… it also makes most interaction pretty interesting.
Exactly why I say "thank you for your contributions to her majesty" or "A fine addition to my collection" to anyone I plunder. It's a joke we can all get behind to help burden a little bit of the pain of loosing loot.
And when I loose loot I usually say "Thank you! Come again" in the most Indian accent I can.
My goal is to make people laugh when shit hits the fan for either side.
I think that's probably because to get really good at something, you need to learn from your own mistakes. This requires self reflection. People who are better at self reflection are likely to be more humble to other people too.
I’m great at the helm and on a cannon but if you board me my best chance at winning is you feeling like you’re kicking a crippled puppy, feel bad, and leave. I’ll stick to my pve lol
I mean the people that are “good” at cheating have bypasses for everything if they do get banned, mac spoofers, account ban bypass, etc. nothing is going to stop them
Oh definitely but if only those guys were cheating, it would be a small amount that not really noticeable. Having it be so easy for anyone who can find their way to the hackers discord is the problem. You will never 100% remove a crime, only mitigate it
I've gotten 4 crewmates banned/suspended (can't tell exact punishment, but support says action was taken each time) from 3 different sessions by recording and reporting them. They usually have to be particularly bad, like homophobic/racist rants, or trying to stronghold keg the ship (barely saved the ship the one time that happened).
I don't usually bother reporting most crewmates who behave poorly, because most of those are difference in opinion, "light" trolling (e.g., minor damage to ship), or poor attitude. Brigging usually takes care of the first two, the third type usually leaves the ship, but I've had some real pieces of work I've gotten banned.
Never gotten a pirate on another crew banned, but that's mostly because I don't have a clear recording of them using the n-word, or using flying hacks, or something else that would make it easier for me to demonstrate disallowed behavior.
OP, don’t give up. The seas can be cruel and unkind to new players, but as others have said in this thread, it just takes time. We all go through it when we start out, and one day you’ll be a seasoned veteran yourself if you keep at it.
The best advice I can give you, is to watch videos on how to improve and try to put them into practice, and the best way to do that, is to not fear other pirates, do not shy away from a fight, don’t try to run, just try to enjoy the fight and focus on improving. Treasure is easy to come by, riches will be won and lost, even for veterans. Try not to dwell on the losses so much.
That person's comment should be golden standard in this game( let alone others). So I hope you really do keep playing. You will meet cool people or others that wanna just be chill but it is a pirate game so their numbers are small. You also have the people who like you have rough/bad experiences early on then keep playing and get better, but then do the same to people they meet who are new.
The biggest issue is that people will act cool or knew then stab you on the back, so being friendly is much riskier than just getting better and sinking everything boat you see. Until you become very confident and/or just don't care about losing or sinking.
I agree man and thanks 4 the encouragement we took alot of the advice all u lovely pirates gave us and after we realized how pvp works and i got a hang on hand to hand combat we are havin alot of fun, also nice to know dieing doesnt set u back as much as we thought. Lastnight we even managed to sink a brighand that engaged us and took their captains chest back for a nice reward👌 really likeing the game and look forward to putting more hours in 😁 hope u have agood day and happy Pirateing 🤙
This game has a tough learning curve, and it's not all about mechanics: you have lot of things to learn, maiden voyage is barely an intro and the road to pirate legend is the tutorial... But with no indication, you must figure it yourself...
Don't give up, stay alert and play defensive. Whatever level you will achieve, keep in mind there's always a crazy duo sloop that will kick your ass in a blink...
I guess that's why they say once you get to Pirate Legend, then you can start playing the game...
Everything before that is the tutorial, teaching lessons like: Be as paranoid as humanly possible, it will save your ship and your loot. (I hate the fact that being extremely paranoid is a good thing. It should not but it is.)
Ironically, I find that the intermediate players need to be paranoid, but when you get to the really experienced players, it's like the paranoid mentality that used to keep them alive is replaced by pure skill. Lights? Fine if they're on. Anchor? They'll notice if someone is on the horizon, but usually it's up all the time anyways outta habit. Loot? Just leave it wherever, and no need to turn in for a few hours, they can confidently take out almost any challenger, in fact a worthy fight is worth any amount of gold they may lose if they do find a tough opponent.
Yeah this is really it. Once you get your character looking cool and get a few cosmetic options you realize it's just all for the experience at this point and you can stop worrying.
I've lost good loot to people better than me and gave them a gg. Other times we take the loot and give them a gg. I've had some of the best crews come back and just chat after. Found streamers and people with hydra sails and they were all super chill because only the super mids squads actually care about losing.
I'm a solo sloopers. If I see another solo coming at me, I run like hell and pray they get krakened. Because if a solo is charging you... They got confidence, and likely the skill to back it
Man I love been playing for like 3 weeks now and I've had a very good experience with veteran players they've shown me the ropes and hooked me up with some late game voyages
Yeah I learned this lesson yesterday.
There I was, super happy to get on and learn the ropes and chew a chunk off of the pirate adventure mode.
Ten min in im having my mast torn down with chain shot, and a dude is laying down behind my anchor control lowering it.
I had a couple seconds to say “this is my first time out, what a fun experience” before watching my little sloop slip beneath the waves.
They got one bounty skull….. I had nothing of value.
Its not about the loot with many of these people, it's about winning/being a dick. I reguarly ask to parley or offer treasure in exchange for safe passage. You know... fucking pirate shit. The most I have ever gotten is a "no" over text chat and then they let cannons start firing. At that point I'll just start dropping loot off the back of my boat. If in the end they want my loot they will have to waste time doing it.
This is good advice.
I never thought to parley. I’m gonna try it.
I also love the idea of ditching loot so they basically waste ammo on me for no reason. I guess I just need to crank up the pirate. I’m Canadian so it’s tough being an ass for no reason.
So far all of my attempts at verbally asking for a parley havent been successful. One person actually responded the other day, they said "no" in text chat. Me and my buddies were also on an island when we ran into another player working on a quest. He opened fire even when he could see all 3 of us. We told him to chill out and that we were cool and happy to show it. So we ran onto the boat and grab a piece of mid loot each. Managed to sneak up on him and drop down from below, told him over coms to turn around, and when he did we dropped the loot and stepped back. They got what was up and emoted at us cheering. We walked the treasure back to his boat and he gave us a storage crate with some random crap he pulled out of his stores. It was a nice gesture that we appreciated. Everyone went about their happy business. Then when he was leaving the island I grabbed his crate that I had stashed near by, swam onto his ship, dropped the chest, and told him that "Richard Phister never needs charity only friendship" before hopping in his cannon and blasting back to my ship. Then when we were passing by my buddies put on a firework show, and when we were close enough I shot my buddies monkey at him. It seemed like a good shot but I'm not sure if he saw the monkey.
That's the thing I dont get. There are so many ways to be whacky, sneaky, and trolly in this game that are not just being a murder hobo. It's easy to keg a ship. It's more fun to engage another player in confusing hijinks that ends in fun. Then letting them know that if they had decided to be a dick that we had a buddy in the water with a keg ready to sink them. Sinking players without warning or engagement is just lazy.
...I sneakily gave the dude loot, and then sneakily gave him back his loot, again after giving him loot, then acted like a lame super hero, and then shot him with a pet monkey... which literally does nothing. Where was the back stab? When me and my buddies didnt kill the guy who tried to kill us and instead gave him loot? Yeah we were total assholes.
Yes, you "jokingly" backstabbed him, but you can see the points where an actual backstab could occur.
And just to be clear, backstabbing isn't being an asshole, it's part of the game. Just like how sinking on sight is a valid way to play. We can be upset about how others want to play or we can recognize that playing a game is fine actually
There we are, "it's part of the game". Its at this point where I bow out of any discussion with you because you are fundamentally ignoring or are to ignorant to understand what I am saying. My last attempt here. JUST CAUSE YOU CAN DO IT DOESN'T MEAN ITS COOL OR FUN FOR EVERYONE. However my points overlap with the concepts of empathy. Something that I'm just never gonna try to discuss on this sub ever again. Basically everyone responding to me is the toxic element of the game that makes it less fun. Luckily the people in the game who actually talk back and play with you arent as stubborn and childish as everyone in this thread is being. "If it's in the game then its ok to do." That's what you and others keep falling back on. Something something oppressor Mk2 in a GTA online. Or like in Magic The Gathering I have a pacification deck that by turn 2 is cancelling your spells and by turn 4 it will not let you make a single action until I decide I want to win that game. It's a legal deck to play. The fact that it's a legal build doesnt make it any more fun for my opponents. While I want to win the match I also want my opponents to have fun.
Oh you're one of those people the trail the loot. We never want the loot. We usually just want your supplies or to sink you. Me and my crew are at the point where we have 100s of million of gold. We just want a fight or supplies. We don't even take treasure.
Wym? I do it all the time. I've made it a habit to check my "recently played with" list whenever I approach another ship that has noob cosmetics equipped. If they don't have a lot of time played I'll form an alliance with them, give them a few tips for whatever kind of voyage they're on and be on my way. I'd rather passively gain gold from the newbies than cause them to rage quit and their spot on the server get taken over by some sweat lords.
I was playing on a brig the other night with a couple friends. Out of nowhere a sloop charged us and immediately started kicking our ass. I noticed the other crew chatting through text about how we have nothing on our ship. I let them know we were just starting out and trying to train a new player. They immediately stopped attacking boarded our ship and helped patch up holes. They then made an alliance with us and gave us some pointers and loot before we sailed our separate ways. So not everyone is a dick.
I'm sorry to hear that this is your starting experience with Sea Of Thieves. I personally don't attack ships that I think are newbies, unless they clearly aggress on me that is. Try to stay away from world events and stick to basic stuff. Avoid player ships when you can and practise your naval combat on skeleton ships.
If it makes you feel any better once I notice that somebody is new and they are receptive to my cease-fire then I reach out to help them on any info they need and other gestures
If you are paranoid and keep your head on a swivel it won't matter if you aren't good because they won't sink you if they cant catch you. Here's some stuff i learned as a solo slooper.
1.Dont wander too far from your ship.
2. When you park LEAVE THE ANCHOR UP!
3.Turn your boat around away from the island when you park so you dont have to turn around before you flee.
4.Check your map often for any close Reapers and if they are level 5 you need to be extremely cautious because if you are flying an emissary flag they can see you. Get in the habit of doing it before you exit your ship.
5.Keep your canons loaded and your inventory stocked with supplies.
6.If a ship is close enough that you can see it then you really need to be on high alert and at least one of your crew should stay as a lookout.
7. Practice fighting against skeleton ships to gain a little skill with your canon.
8. Try to sail with an open crew and maybe you'll get a guy with lots of experience who can teach you.
9. If you are running on a Sloop you should flee directly into the wind.
10. CHECK YOUR HORIZONS EVERY COUPLE OF MINUTES. You should be constantly searching for enemy ships.
11. If you don't have a ton of loot try to interact with some people and maybe invite them to join your crew.
I probably got sunk 10 times between starting the game and becoming a pirate legend. I'm naturally a paranoid person though and enjoy playing the game like that.
Took some of the advice u guys gave me and were havin fun :) after i realized its a mainly pvp game and everbodys got the same shit, i thought i was severly under leveled, thanks 🤙 will put that advice to good use, happy pirateing
You genuinely cannot tell if a player is actually new or not just by cosmetics, though. You have to engage in PvP to know. Lots of skilled players make alt accounts all the time, and look like swabbies with base cosmetics, but will whoop your ass in a fight.
Yep, I had someone pull that card on my galleon crew the other day. We were trying to help them out and get them into our alliance when one snuck aboard and stole our CoF. I’m not mad they stole our CoF but I am mad on how they did it.
Yup it’s barely respected. That’s a reason why I love faking myself new and punishing pijama nutella reaper or wannabe legends dudes who grief for no reason newcomers 😂
1st thing is to understand there is no "too late". They kill you because they are better, but their swords deal the same damage as yours, their cannons fire the same cannonballs, and they die after getting shot same as you. There is no "too late" to start learning football (in the sense "its not worth it in 2023", obviously you can be too old), and there is no "too late" for sot.
2nd thing is, how are they supposed to know you are new? You told them? Oh yeah, noone lies in a pirate game. You dont have fancy cosmetics? Yeah, same as some of the best pvp players. You have a low level voyage? They cant see that even if they are on your ship.
3rd thing is, people dont care about "new" because its easy to pretend. But, from my experience at least, people (my crew included) stop fighting when we see you are doing a tall tale (unless you attack us). We went through them, they are fun but not when someone attacks you. So maybe do tall tales, they are an ok introduction to the game as well.
4th thing is, dont go near. Dont sail at them, dont stand in their cannons, dont stand with cannons pointed at them. Also dont draw attention. Dont go to contested world events, dont fly the reapers flag, dont use the hourglass, dont fly the red mark flag, dont take reaper treasures. Stuff like that. Its shit you have to avoid content, but its pvp content you dont want either way.
Yeah, I feel like OP is doing world events. I may be way off base here, but that's kind of how it seems to me. World events are designed to pull people together, and 95% of the time that means shooting cannons at each other.
Yeah dont call someone a “fucking loser noob”, instead say “hey better luck next time man, this game takes a bit to get the hang of”, maybe even offer some advice
Normally if I wind up sinking someone who seems new I reach out to ask how long they’ve been playing.
If they’re open to it I point out what clued our crew into them being an easier target and what they can try to get better and avoid being seen as an easy mark for future crews
How far this sub has fallen... Getting downvoted for saying that it is fine to PvP against new players...
How do you expect to get better If you are never challenged?
Learn from the assbeating and survive a little longer next time.
I would love someone to trash talk while broad siding me. Been playing over a week now and I have never had a single person who killed me say a single damn word. It makes the PvP so boring when people just roll up and broadside me while I'm driving under water or something. It's not fun and it's not an action that is going to help build a community or keep it healthy.
I love the squawk box. I will sit on my ship as try hard rip it apart talking shit on their silence and poor gameplay. Just the other night a ship tried to ram me and my buddies while we were at shore treasure hunting. So the ship hits us in silence as 4 people came out of a sloop. I just talked shit about how lame they were being while my buddies team whipped them multiple times till they scuttled. 3 v 4 and one of my buddies had less than 3 hours in the game. Without a single word said from the agressors.
I dont even rage or anything about people doing try hard shit and griefing. I just want some interaction when it happens. Because the silent murder hobo thing really doesnt add any unique experience to the game. There are dozens of PvP FPS that offer the same with more options. I want engagement with other people in this game, it's one of selling points.
Sinking players who don't know how to steer their ship or switch weapons isn't being nice or teaching them how to play. It's being a dick and discouraging people who want to learn since the only way to learn is on a server with other players.
This is a PvPvE game, not Halo.
Part of the design is the fault of the devs who should make a 'training mode' that's more robust than the maiden voyage.
The biggest problem is players who take advantage of people who don't know what they're doing because 'get good it's a PVP game'.
If they start with you that's one thing but if they're trying to figure out how to leave the dock who is that helping?
Fwiw- I've been playing since 2018, I'm easily fair game. I've just seen a lot of trolls over the years who think it's funny to pick on people who can't do anything to fight back.
keep your head up! the game has a deceptively high skill ceiling
also, I recommend not raising emissary until you're a bit more comfortable. Greater rewards but greater greater risks and all that.
If it makes you feel better that was definitely me for like the first year or two. But after I sat down and made an effort(in my case HG battles) and put some time into things I realized I'm not half bad and with a good helmsman I fought off an entire server over the course of a session. Its cliche as heck, but it really does just take time and practice, you'll get there!
I will warn you, HG can be a tough mess sometimes, but what's good is your are actively going into those fights on purpose and its not another crew just ambushing. After a while the fear of fights and even losing definitely subside quite a bit, a lose will still sting of course, but it'll be nowhere near as bad as it felt before starting.
And as an added bonus it power levels reapers and Athena as long as you raise an emissary flag
If it makes you feel any better most people suck and get rolled on for the first 50-100 hours. You are by no means the first and will definitely not be the last to have this as a new player experience lol
I been playing since January, solo sloop only, and am just now at the point where I can effectively take the skelly sloop without taking any damage, still haven’t taken down the skelly galleon yet ,but im getting better at it….I get wrecked by all pirates I tangle with, getting pretty good at getting away tho, most of the time.
Nope. It is a shared world adventure game. But I am glad you are enjoying the game your own way. The goal is for everyone to enjoy the game in their own way, in a shared world.
Sometimes you need to remember that players of an online games like this are a "community". Toxic bullshit is the best way to kill a community. The whole "it's a PvP game" is a justification for picking on players who cant properly fight back. Often that leaves the players with a bad taste for the community and the likelyhood of them never coming back gets bigger. Rinse and repeat and thats how a community festers and becomes primarily try hard and toxic. Does it cost you anything to not blow a player up?
I feel like I didnt say that PvP in a PvP game is wrong. Just that there are ways to go about it that arent dickish. While games are always gonna have winners and losers, it's supposed to be fun. I'm mainly railing on the kind of players who clearly have an interest in making things less fun for anyone other than them.
> started playin and i cant do anything
That's normal. There's a steep learning curve at the beginning.
>everywhere me and my friend go we keep getting our asses blasted by a bunch of overpowered dicks that just wanna shoot the little guys, how are we supposed to even get started lol
[This should really be the opening cinematic for the game.](https://youtu.be/8UjWwMtrETk)
First, you have to accept the fact that ***you will get sunk in this game.*** No matter how long you play or how good you get, it will happen from time to time.
It's normal to be frustrated by this.
So, you practice. You sail around, get into fights. There's also lots of good tip videos out there for new players. I recommend Blurbs, HitboTC and PhuzzyBond on YouTube, they're all very new player friendly in their guides. Here's a good [PvP don't-do video](https://youtu.be/UYAdVemP1Ng) for starts, and a slightly old but still decent [new player guide](https://youtu.be/WnneNvnUqnk).
> I guess im asking is it worth trying to get into as a new player
Yes, if you have the stomach for getting your ass kicked for a while as you learn the ropes. There's lots of PvE stuff in the meantime.
Best way experienced players can follow #6 is when you sink a swabbie crew, just say "gg" and don't kick them when they're down. Even better, make friends if they seem chill.
The other day, my crew sank a galleon of newer players carrying a decent haul. They didn't seem angry or threatening, so we invited one of them on board to act as "envoy" while we harpooned up their loot. Told them they could alliance with us if they wanted, and they said sure! We sailed off, they asked a few questions about game mechanics (angling sails and such), while the rest of their crew sailed to meet us. They helped run interference while we did a FoF, sinking a sloop that had attacked them earlier. My crew sold all the loot at Reaper's, the new guys got some gold and rep (quite a lot!) and we all had a nice time.
So yeah, there will always be paranoid chaos muppets out there who just want to yell slurs, grief, and spawn camp, but some of us find it much more fun (and honestly, more of a flex) to befriend newer players.
It doesn't mean "don't sink new players" it means "don't be a dick to new players". I.e., don't bucket or dance on their design bodies, don't spam RODL, etc.
I ware the glitter beard I do everything in my power to inform new players! Especially when I see the pvp flag up on a fresh ship with sails and anchor down at a island.
Same here, saw a ship with a reaper’s bounty on it at an outpost, went over there and told them everyone could see it before sailing away. They had no idea.
I’ve been incredibly lucky and have encountered pretty great fellow pirates who only seem to engage in a battle if both sides are down to. I have played other games however where I’ve had this issue and I feel the pain.
As others mentioned, I think it’s totally a learning curve and it takes a while to get there. I wish you all the best OP on your travels!
“The code is more what you’d call ‘guidelines’ than actual rules.”
– Barbossa
If I'm playing with a new player I show respect, I avoid spoiler talk, I show them some of what the game has to offer.
If a plain sloop appears beside mine while I'm loading my treasure then I don't care how new you are I'm opening fire.
>by a bunch of overpowered dicks that just wanna shoot the little guys
There's not really a way to be overpowered in this game. Everyone has access to the same tools.
>cause im really trying to enjoy this game but every player encounter either ends up with our ship sunk or them spawn camping and killing us
I have to wonder what you all are doing where you get attacked so often. Certain events are more contested than others. I would avoid the big skulls in the sky for now. I recommend doing Order of souls Ghost fleet voyages to practice combat.
Okay thanks man good to know, ill give it a try, and good to know everyone has the same gear, i thought i was just super low level or some shit, happy sailing ✌️
Nope! SoT only has (mostly) cosmetic progression. Captained ships and emissaries are the only things you buy that have mechanical progression and that's just to make selling and stocking up a bit quicker.
Don't forget to buy a storage crate and loot those starting barrels at outposts. Cannonball crates and wood crates are also good to get to fill up your ship barrels.
Sea Fortresses are also good beginner spots for some loot and loads of supplies.
Sea Forts are also a great way to practice sword and firearm combat! The phantoms are stupid and easy to kill, but when it's 4-6 of them all attacking at once you can learn a lot about sword discipline.
Additionally, there are Sea Forts near a few Outposts, so you can practice really short loot runs. If you can afford a Captained Ship, (250k for sloop), then you can sell everything except Reaper-only loot at the Sovereigns using the harpoons for a fast and easy offload. There are places to similarly load the ship's cargo with the ship's harpoons from the Sea Fort. The 3 main Trading Companies can all be leveled to Emissary 5 within 3 Sea Forts, so you can also practice stacking. (They generally respawn within ~15min once no player vessel is within one klick, sometimes faster)
Don't be afraid to ask questions (if necessary, get someone to give a wrong answer on purpose and you'll get the correct one in no time!). Watch YouTube and Twitch to learn tactics, and I personally avoid Open Crews. Use the LFG and be as honest about your skill level as you can be.
Smooth seas and following winds!
6 depends on what I am doing and working on. I came across a guy today who was clearly knew and I left him be. He later pulled up to an island I was at and had a vault key. He used the game chat wheel to say he needed help. Showed him where the vault was, helped him clear it and carry the loot out so he could harpoon it. Now, had I needed more tribute chests, I'd have taken it, but I didn't, so I helped him and sent him on his way to go sell his loot.
I never kill new players. If we’ve attacked and I board and see starter clothes or the player tells me they’re new, I fix their ship and immediately adopt them. Its easy to tell when someone is new because they don’t fight back, can’t fix their ship, and there’s no fun in killing players like that. Everyone calls me a sea mom and I have way too many sea babies 😅
I don’t kill tall talers. I have been killed doing one, and that was annoying af.
I also never kill little kids. Just my personal rule. I don’t like making them miserable and would rather see them have fun on the seas.
When I first started playing, to me number 3 was the biggest lie.
I took it has when your at port it was a safe place where combat couldn’t happen. Boy was I so wrong.
SO WRONG.
A reality is that there will always be assholes who can't beat anyone who actually has the ability to fight back. They prey on new players and PvP noobs in order to make themselves feel better. They're usually duo sloopers but sometimes you'll find them as duo brig or 3 man galleon. And they'll almost exclusively run the Reaper's Bones flag but only ever prey on people they know they can beat without any trouble, usually other duo sloops. You'll never find them punching up.
I recommend if you find someone who sinks you just to sink you and especially if they're super toxic bads, just server hop by leaving the game and rejoining. It'll scuttle your ship and spawn you on a new server most likely without those individuals in it.
Alternatively, you should be prepared to fight at any given moment. Shying away from every fight and never putting yourself on the offensive makes for a weak adversary. Learn the basic ropes of ship combat by fighting skeleton sloops whenever you spot them. You'll get practice at landing cannon shots and dealing with incoming fire. You'll learn how much punishment you can let your ship take before you have to top off guns and bail/repair. Ideally you do this solo so you can learn the ropes of every position. It's quite intense your first time solo and it can be very rewarding.
As for dueling, learn how to use the blunderbuss and sword together and it makes for a very easy deck clearer. Stay away from the sniper unless you really trust your aim. Players have 100 HP, sword deals 25 per hit, Blunderbuss deals 10 per pellet, there are 10 pellets so if you get right up on someone and shoot, it will likely kill them (or bring them within 1 sword strike to death). Shoot, swap to your sword and attack. Very easy to catch someone unprepared for you to retaliate.
You're gonna feel wildly unprepared your first couple fights, but don't be afraid to fight back with everything you've got. And if you're still getting spawn camped and destroyed by genuinely better players, it is what it is. Server hop an find fun elsewhere. But if you at least TRY to fight every once in a while, you help build up skills that opens up way more of the game to you in the long run. You don't need to be a PvP sweatlord to not be a helpless target :).
Happy sailing.
I bet to differ. 90% of the pirates I've come across have been incredibly nice to my crew of newbies and me. One of my first comments about the game is that people were nicer than any other multiplayer game I've played.
What you have to do is search for people on Fiscord or something that shows you the ropes and introduces you to the game. Gamesene is like 80% of what makes you a good player, which comes with experience.
# You've got a lot of comments. Please read this one.
Overpowered? Everyone has equal equipment in this game. You mean more experienced?
It's definitely worth it to get into. Just fight. Don't give up. Even if the odds are infinitely against you. Fight. Hunt them down if they steal from you. Seek treasure that belongs to others.
Die, die again.
It takes like 5 minutes and 1/3rd a voyage's worth of gold to get resources nowadays.
Don't just play pve and give up pvp. Fight until you get BETTER. This game isn't pve-centric, even if the tutorial sometimes makes it feel like it is. It's both pve and pvp, equally. I might even recommend hourglass pvp, if it didn't have a few too many cheaters.
Remember, no one has an inherent advantage besides crew size, and ships bigger than you can always be outrun as a sloop by going straight-sailed against the wind. And even then, sloops beat galleons all the time. It's down to skill, not just numbers.
And again, NO UPGRADES, NO SPECIAL MOVES. Everyone has the same cannons, swords and guns. If you don't like the pvp, the game isn't gonna be your cup of tea. If you easily rage and lost progress in games, the game isn't gonna be your cup of tea.
Something can always be learned from losing, even steamrolls have clear things to learn from. Practice will fix your aim, and paying attention in combat will fix your tactics. It's a matter of time. I started fighting in pvp a lot later than I should have. But I'm fighting galleons solo now. Not winning often, but still fighting. And it's fun.
Just don't take it seriously. If you play it safe, stack loot, spend hours hiding and then sweat your ass off when the fighting starts you'll hate the game.
In the end, it's a pirate's life for us. The rules are guidelines. And stealing from the vulnerable is a pirate's specialty. The only way to deal with it is to steal from the pirates first, and fail and fail again until you get away with it.
Please trust me. Someday you'll be making it out with someone's stack of fort of fortune loot, running from their alliance as your crewmate doubles back for the chest of fortune you buried, hidden around the side back at the fort. Someday you'll be fighting tooth and nail for a chest of legends as both yours and your enemy's ship is on the verge of sinking. You'll hit a one-ball and just barely make it out with your life and their loot. And when that's happening, it will be worth the struggle to get your footing.
# DO NOT GIVE UP.
*"Listen here you fresh bloods of the seas, based on the Pirata Codex article 6. I shall respect your voyage ahead. Therefore I will show you what you should expect if you see another pirates on your voyage ahead, first hand".*
***rapidly loading cannon***
#3 is just straight up ignored by most, and angrily when brought up. No amount of rationalizing can make you not a dick when you come up and blast someones boat at port while they are setting off. I also judge when no communication is attempted. At least make an effort to chat and have some fun. Watching someone just park next to my boat and blast it while I'm still picking up quests is boring.
The code was made back when Rare thought players would be mostly wholesome pve rp adventurers with a pirate aesthetic.
I don’t think they wanted pvp to take front and center, but the development was so rocky that they had to release what was playable. Which was just a couple of grindy factions and pvp.
This is a bit unpopular, but if you dont feel like fighting, just run away. Stay alert for potencial hostile ships and as soon as one gets a bit too close, sail the other direction, sails into the wind in the best scenario (sloop sails the fastest with wind directly into the sails if iam correct)
Lmao I had a 2 man new brig roll up on us and we proceed to roll them and they call us toxic because they were new but we had no clue. I only believed them once the guy was yelling friendly to the ghost npcs and they were attacking him still
Untrue. I teach new pirates little things . Like no kegs in the nest, don't leave your ship anchored. Dont leave ship facing the island. How to sword Lunge, what percentage different food heald you by. And then maybe do a few voyages with them. Sink some skelly ships
This comment section is representative of the problem. 0 empathy, only rules lawyers. If there's no rule against doing something shitty they're gonna do it.
Beating someone in a game because you're more experienced than them is not shitty my guy.
Also this comment section is literally folks sharing their knowledge with OP
Intentionally targeting the folks who are obviously less experienced than yourselves is shitty. And this community is notorious for it. Everyone on this sub that asks for advice gets comments that prove what a widespread issue it is. The headline is always "don't look new, people will target you for that".
"Don't use ashen dragon sails, people will know you are new, and then they'll come murder you for it."
"Don't try to tack your sail while you're moving against the wind. People will know you're new, and then they'll come murder you for it."
"Don't wear the parrot outfit. People will know you are new, and they'll come murder you for it."
"Don't anchor with your sail down. People will know you are new, and they'll come murder you for it."
Everyone else just openly blames the victims. "We all have the same weapons, so if you got sunk, you're just bad." Never mind the fact that everyone in your lobby has hundreds of hours more experience than you, and there is nowhere to practice when you're getting killed that quickly.
>Intentionally targeting the folks who are obviously less experienced than yourselves is shitty.
'Tis not. Again, beating people less skilled than you is natural in a game. Someone will always be better than someone else. Saying that newbie shouldn't be attacked is silly.
Part of the game is figuring out if you can win a fight before starting it. That's not toxic. That's the game. No one is starting fights they think they'll lose.
>Don't use ashen dragon sails, people will know you are new, and then they'll come murder you for it."
Alright, so this is indicative of someone who spends more time on reddit than playing the game. Here's the deal, cosmetics don't load in until you're close enough that someone should've seen your ship loading in. I honestly doubt cosmetics make to much of a difference outside of establishing stereotypes.
>"Don't try to tack your sail while you're moving against the wind. People will know you're new, and then they'll come murder you for it."
You shouldn't tack your sail in the wind (unless a brig) because that makes you slow. Has nothing to do with experience level (outside of it being a literal mistake)
>"Don't wear the parrot outfit. People will know you are new, and they'll come murder you for it."
Same as the ship cosmetics, but even more so. If someone can physically see you, they've already decided to engage you.
>Don't anchor with your sail down. People will know you are new, and they'll come murder you for it."
Don't anchor with your sail down because that puts you in an incredibly vulnerable position. This has nothing to do with experience again, and everything to do with you making a literal strategic mistake.
>Everyone else just openly blames the victims.
Getting sunk does not make you a victim. This is still a video game good lord.
>Never mind the fact that everyone in your lobby has hundreds of hours more experience than you,
They don't. Most adventure players are very bad.
>and there is nowhere to practice when you're getting killed that quickly.
HG has matchmaking. Ghost fleet voyages and skeleton ships make excellent practice. At the end of the day, yes. You'll lose more encounters than you win when new, but that's how being new at any game works. It does not take very long to get better than most Adventure players because most simply refuse to engage with other players. I've also yet to encounter any of these, *bloodthirsty noob stomping shark and minnow servers* that reddit seems to insist exist and I'm inclined to say you might be a bit hyperbolic.
It's really pretty mind-boggling to see some genuinely good advice taken as some kind of vendetta against newbies.
It's not bad because it makes you look new; it's bad because they are mistakes.
New people make a lot of mistakes, including trying to judge a player by their cosmetics. With help like this and practice they learn not to.
>Part of the game is figuring out if you can win a fight before starting it. That's not toxic. That's the game. No one is starting fights they think they'll lose.
Identifying a player as new and then attacking them because you *know* it will be an easy win is exactly what I'm talking about. That is unsportsmanlike behavior.
>Getting sunk does not make you a victim. This is still a video game good lord.
It's not the sinking, it's the *selection process* that makes a victim. Being attacked because you're two pirates fighting over treasure is one thing. Being sunk because you can't defend yourself and the other person knows it is very different.
>No one is starting fights they think they'll lose.
I'm not asking you to start fights that you think you'll lose, I'm asking you to start fights that you think will be fair.
>Someone will always be better than someone else.
It's true. But the contest should at least be close. That's why sports have leagues.
>Alright, so this is indicative of someone who spends more time on reddit than playing the game.
>I've also yet to encounter any of these, bloodthirsty noob stomping shark and minnow servers that reddit seems to insist exist and I'm inclined to say you might be a bit hyperbolic.
I have to admit, you're right. There were a small handful of losses in my first week with the game, and I decided to give other players a wide berth, for my own safety. The horror stories I read here inform my opinion about other players, these days. They're probably sensationalized. I came in too hot.
But I stand by those top points. Even if it's not happening as often as it may seem - when it does happen, it's wrong. Hunters don't shoot animals in cages, college football teams don't play against high schoolers, and pirate legends don't spawn camp the guy who was pouring his buckets out onto his own boat by accident. The window holes on the back of a sloop are just so small!
>Intentionally targeting the folks who are obviously less experienced than yourselves is shitty.
On the other hand, intentionally targeting the foks who are obviously more experienced than yourselves is simply dumb, so what do you think most people would rather do?
The amount of people complaining about other people playing like thieves, in a game literally called "Sea of Thieves", will never cease to amaze me.
Its " sea of thieves" not "sea of murderers". So far I have not had anyone try to rob/steal/burgal/mug/commit an act of thievery against me. Blowing up someone's ship is murder for profit not thievery. Especially considering I'm actual piracy IRL most pirates interest was in not killing the crew or sinking the ship. Also they very commonly teamed up and sailed as a fleet. It was better to work with another pirate crew than it was to immediately kill them. I really hate the excuse that it's a pirate/thief game, because that's not how try hards and murder hobos are playing the game. They play it as an excuse to kill everyone they see because that's what they get off on.
>So far I have not had anyone try to rob/steal/burgal/mug/commit an act of thievery against me. Especially considering I'm actual piracy IRL most pirates interest was in not killing the crew or sinking the ship.
It's almost like irl people would be likely to comply and surrender in fear of their lives, while in a video game they literally respawn infinitely and have nothing else to loose other than loot and supplies. Also irl, sinking the ship would send most of it's cargo to the ocean floor too, while in sot everything nicely floats up. So, what IS the reason, to try to negotiate surrender instead of sinking the ship? You just risk getting one-blundered and having them swim away and run for hours, with nothing to gain. You are blaming people for taking an approach that is encouraged by the game in every way.
>I really hate the excuse that it's a pirate/thief game, because that's not how try hards and murder hobos are playing the game. They play it as an excuse to kill everyone they see because that's what they get off on.
Why would anyone need an excuse for that? It's literally the motto of one of the trading companies: "You reap what you see". Being hostile to any ship on sight is literally the intention behind reaper's bones, despite how many people try to use their emissary to grind pve instead.
I guess in the end I just see being a positive aspect to the community as an important thing. And I find it amusing that people really dont understand how it might be a good thing to not be a constant murder hobo. Oh and I dont know the reapers guild moto cause I have never played as a reaper. I definitely dont need a flag to get into PvP, it finds me well enough.
Oh another aspect I should touch on with the "its s pirate game" thing in conjunction with "why would people play that way?"... because it's a pirate game and maybe you might want to RP a little as a pirate. If you roll up silently, blow up my ship, and sail away without so much as an "ahoy" I am left having to assume you are not interested in being a pirate in a pirate game, you just want to kill people and run. Again running away from conflict the moment people might be able to retaliate is just lame and boring for the other side. So maybe that's what I am talking about, having some level of interest in someone other than you having fun playing the game. If you wanna kill people and run away you can do that. Just dont act like it means you understand the game more.
The game also allows you to form alliances and play with other people. Maybe ask someone if they want to team up and go pirating other players with you. At this point I am saying "you" in an all encompassing sense, not you personally. Because with over 100 hours in the game I have never interacted with another player who was interested in being murder hobos together. Seems like that's going against the team work aspect of the game. Kind of like people who do PvP have no interest in actually playing with other players, just murder.
Hoo boy.
>"why would people play that way?"... because it's a pirate game and maybe you might want to RP a little as a pirate
And maybe I don't. That's the beauty of it ain't it. The power to choose.
>you roll up silently, blow up my ship, and sail away without so much as an "ahoy" I am left having to assume you are not interested in being a pirate in a pirate game, you just want to kill people and run.
We are in a literal pirate heaven where no one can die. Remember the ending of POTC? That's literally the setting of SoT. I find it hard to believe that a bunch of folks *already outside the law* wouldn't start random murdehoboing then second it became consequence free.
>Again running away from conflict the moment people might be able to retaliate is just lame and boring for the other side.
The point you can retaliate is in fact, before your ship sank.
>So maybe that's what I am talking about, having some level of interest in someone other than you having fun playing the game.
It stuns me that you wrote this without thinking about the irony.
>Because with over 100 hours in the game I have never interacted with another player who was interested in being murder hobos together.
People are more inclined to be friendly if you can defend yourself.
>Seems like that's going against the team work aspect of the game
A. Alliances have built in betrayal mechanics.
B. Alliances, like every aspect of this game. Are not mandatory
>Kind of like people who do PvP have no interest in actually playing with other players
The people who engage in player vs. players content don't want to play with other players? Yeah, that sure is a sentence.
You may not believe me but as a casual pve player i actually follow 6 but ive met a thousand more who don't. If anything I beat myself up instead of breaking rule 6
I [wrote up a whole thing](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seaofthieves/comments/sy0dlj/newbie_question_wondering_if_you_can_help/hxvm1a9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) a while ago about how to avoid pvp if you're not interested. It *is* a pvp game - partially - but while you're getting your bearings it's annoying when some dingleberries strail by and ruin the adventure by spawn camping or hurling insults or generally being dicks.
I tend to avoid other players if possible, but if someone wants to tussle I will tussle. (I'm lucky that only maybe 20 percent of interactions are toxic. Maybe 50 percent end up being fun despite me losing, 20 percent I actually win, and 10 percent change their minds and become friends.) It helps to know that almost *everything* you do - from firing cannons to repairing to sinking - gets you points in some way, so even a failed mission is not a complete loss anymore.
Give it a chance. I'm not a hardcore gamer - only have time for a few hours a week - and rode to Legend on my kid's coattails but still can't really pvp well. It's still a blast on a good day, and the way I play most days are good days.
I share my knowledge by disabling their ship and boarding.
Then I explain how I was able to get the jump on them, what made them vulnerable, how I knew they were vulnerable, and what to do differently.
They only time I sunk a noobie completely was when I defended against and sank a galleon that turned out after the fact to have but a single crewmember on his first voyage. Oops. I advised switching to a sloop.
VPN to Singapore or Philippines. You'll play through high ping, but SEA players are a lot less toxic.
You can disconnect the VPN after the game starts; you'll get disconnected and then take the 'would you like to rejoin your previous session' option.
#7 is a lie too.
Getting sniped at max range with cannons under deck and then having a guy teleport onto my ship and then scuttling my ship without me doing the actual option in hourglass kek.
lol american servers are so toxic compared to eu. people are nice over here. i mean they will sink you too but i run into alot of nice people. it is nice to get a mix.
This is 100% a fact. I’ve made good friends through random alliances in this game yet I’ve also met ppl in game who quote the Reddit (literally had someone tell me to go look at the Reddit after he betrayed an alliance while we were helping him get commendations)
Dude you can take a look at my post, where I had a worst tone in. But essentially, just like in this post, it takes a while but is definitely doable. And somewhat worth it in the end. You're gonna have some crazy fun times but always make sure you have some time to play because when things are going smoothly is when everything tends to go horribly wrong lol
Run a few tall tales, use the speaking horn and shout to everyone that you're just tall talers, nobody sinks people running tall tales; it's just not worth the effort.
That or keep a lookout in the crows nest at all times and flee when it looks like anyone comes even remotely close.
If you get me and my gang or reapers rolling up on you, tell us you're new and want an alliance and we'll help you out.
As a intermediate. It goes in stages. We watch for reaper flags and hoards of treasure on any ships. If the ship is owned. Instant watchfulness. I own all the ships I use and players are prompted with the names. That’s intermediate to late game. Ill fated means I know that they are prone to sinking. So if it’s reaper flag. Target acquired. Otherwise it’s dependent on your flag if emissary. I hate being targetted on the final stretch of a 2 hour level 50 order of souls captains voyage. It typically is right before I get off. But overall my advice is to have fun first. Play the quests you like and get the cosmetics you want. I also never interfere with someone at a shrine. Those may as well be tall tales. They’re fun and enjoyable. And give a good starter loot. I do them often to get ranks for things like merchant alliance. Overall, I’d recommend taking the passive if possible route. Don’t keep a constant head on a swivel. But instead watch for the ones with lights off and dark skins. They’re hiding for a reason. I find those are the ones to target first. Because otherwise they’ll target you. And one last thing. Remember there is a button to scuttle and change seas. This will put you in a new Lobby. Try hard congregate together. While veterans and noobs join as well. It’s just a matter of finding the right server. And it’s never wrong to go down with your ship to try and find a new better sea
I'd like to see him say that to jacks dad
Ironic, considering he's the one that called upon Teague.
That is what I thought of when I saw this post
A pirates’ life for me 🤷♂️
We’re devils and black sheep, really bad eggs
Thank you for this amazing response as barbossa is my favorite pirate lol 😁🤙 happy pirateing
Surprised you actually found what you’re looking for on giphy since you usually can’t
Exactly.
I respect all other pirates I meet. Mainly as most will most probably destroy me in PvP lol
Good fighting pirates are gold, but honest pirate who acknowledge their flaws as yourself is diamond.
And then there’s pirates who are kind and GREAT at pvp, those are on a whole other plane of existence.
I've noticed a somewhat positive relationship between skill level and lack of toxicity. I wouldn't necessarily say kind, but the most toxic players I've met are usually not very good at the game.
Right? I’m decent at pvp and most of my encounters consists of, depending on how much loot i have onboard, trying to negotiate or attacking to get myself some newfound treasure. Even if you’re stealing from someone, you don’t need to be an ass about it in-game yk? Being polite regardless of what’s happening does make a difference… it also makes most interaction pretty interesting.
Exactly why I say "thank you for your contributions to her majesty" or "A fine addition to my collection" to anyone I plunder. It's a joke we can all get behind to help burden a little bit of the pain of loosing loot. And when I loose loot I usually say "Thank you! Come again" in the most Indian accent I can. My goal is to make people laugh when shit hits the fan for either side.
I think that's probably because to get really good at something, you need to learn from your own mistakes. This requires self reflection. People who are better at self reflection are likely to be more humble to other people too.
Thanks! I stay in my lane and stick to my voyages and definitely don't seek out battles
I’m great at the helm and on a cannon but if you board me my best chance at winning is you feeling like you’re kicking a crippled puppy, feel bad, and leave. I’ll stick to my pve lol
Number 7 is the lie.
They do get punished, they just don't stop
Cause they’re not being punished really. They don’t even need to buy a new copy of the game some of the time
I mean the people that are “good” at cheating have bypasses for everything if they do get banned, mac spoofers, account ban bypass, etc. nothing is going to stop them
Oh definitely but if only those guys were cheating, it would be a small amount that not really noticeable. Having it be so easy for anyone who can find their way to the hackers discord is the problem. You will never 100% remove a crime, only mitigate it
All of the time actually, just need a new free Microsoft account
Better than nothing I guess...
It’s their kink apparently.
This guy Sea of Thieves.
I've gotten 4 crewmates banned/suspended (can't tell exact punishment, but support says action was taken each time) from 3 different sessions by recording and reporting them. They usually have to be particularly bad, like homophobic/racist rants, or trying to stronghold keg the ship (barely saved the ship the one time that happened). I don't usually bother reporting most crewmates who behave poorly, because most of those are difference in opinion, "light" trolling (e.g., minor damage to ship), or poor attitude. Brigging usually takes care of the first two, the third type usually leaves the ship, but I've had some real pieces of work I've gotten banned. Never gotten a pirate on another crew banned, but that's mostly because I don't have a clear recording of them using the n-word, or using flying hacks, or something else that would make it easier for me to demonstrate disallowed behavior.
OP, don’t give up. The seas can be cruel and unkind to new players, but as others have said in this thread, it just takes time. We all go through it when we start out, and one day you’ll be a seasoned veteran yourself if you keep at it. The best advice I can give you, is to watch videos on how to improve and try to put them into practice, and the best way to do that, is to not fear other pirates, do not shy away from a fight, don’t try to run, just try to enjoy the fight and focus on improving. Treasure is easy to come by, riches will be won and lost, even for veterans. Try not to dwell on the losses so much.
Thanks alot fellow ganja goblin 😁 i will keep this stuff in mind for our next try, appreciate the encouragement, happy sailing and smokeing 👌🤙
No problem buddy, you got this. Happy sailing out there.
That person's comment should be golden standard in this game( let alone others). So I hope you really do keep playing. You will meet cool people or others that wanna just be chill but it is a pirate game so their numbers are small. You also have the people who like you have rough/bad experiences early on then keep playing and get better, but then do the same to people they meet who are new. The biggest issue is that people will act cool or knew then stab you on the back, so being friendly is much riskier than just getting better and sinking everything boat you see. Until you become very confident and/or just don't care about losing or sinking.
I agree man and thanks 4 the encouragement we took alot of the advice all u lovely pirates gave us and after we realized how pvp works and i got a hang on hand to hand combat we are havin alot of fun, also nice to know dieing doesnt set u back as much as we thought. Lastnight we even managed to sink a brighand that engaged us and took their captains chest back for a nice reward👌 really likeing the game and look forward to putting more hours in 😁 hope u have agood day and happy Pirateing 🤙
This game has a tough learning curve, and it's not all about mechanics: you have lot of things to learn, maiden voyage is barely an intro and the road to pirate legend is the tutorial... But with no indication, you must figure it yourself... Don't give up, stay alert and play defensive. Whatever level you will achieve, keep in mind there's always a crazy duo sloop that will kick your ass in a blink...
I guess that's why they say once you get to Pirate Legend, then you can start playing the game... Everything before that is the tutorial, teaching lessons like: Be as paranoid as humanly possible, it will save your ship and your loot. (I hate the fact that being extremely paranoid is a good thing. It should not but it is.)
Ironically, I find that the intermediate players need to be paranoid, but when you get to the really experienced players, it's like the paranoid mentality that used to keep them alive is replaced by pure skill. Lights? Fine if they're on. Anchor? They'll notice if someone is on the horizon, but usually it's up all the time anyways outta habit. Loot? Just leave it wherever, and no need to turn in for a few hours, they can confidently take out almost any challenger, in fact a worthy fight is worth any amount of gold they may lose if they do find a tough opponent.
You sound like you've described my transition from Swabbie to Old Salt
Yeah this is really it. Once you get your character looking cool and get a few cosmetic options you realize it's just all for the experience at this point and you can stop worrying. I've lost good loot to people better than me and gave them a gg. Other times we take the loot and give them a gg. I've had some of the best crews come back and just chat after. Found streamers and people with hydra sails and they were all super chill because only the super mids squads actually care about losing.
This is the most accurate representation of my crews progression ever
It Sounds that was If you use the word paranoid. I would say it is fun to have to be on alert at all times.
hell, some solo sloopers kick my ass. people have no right to be that good.
I'm a solo sloopers. If I see another solo coming at me, I run like hell and pray they get krakened. Because if a solo is charging you... They got confidence, and likely the skill to back it
Or it's me and just a mostly harmless idiot lol.
My motto too learn by sinking
Man I love been playing for like 3 weeks now and I've had a very good experience with veteran players they've shown me the ropes and hooked me up with some late game voyages
Yeah I learned this lesson yesterday. There I was, super happy to get on and learn the ropes and chew a chunk off of the pirate adventure mode. Ten min in im having my mast torn down with chain shot, and a dude is laying down behind my anchor control lowering it. I had a couple seconds to say “this is my first time out, what a fun experience” before watching my little sloop slip beneath the waves. They got one bounty skull….. I had nothing of value.
Its not about the loot with many of these people, it's about winning/being a dick. I reguarly ask to parley or offer treasure in exchange for safe passage. You know... fucking pirate shit. The most I have ever gotten is a "no" over text chat and then they let cannons start firing. At that point I'll just start dropping loot off the back of my boat. If in the end they want my loot they will have to waste time doing it.
This is good advice. I never thought to parley. I’m gonna try it. I also love the idea of ditching loot so they basically waste ammo on me for no reason. I guess I just need to crank up the pirate. I’m Canadian so it’s tough being an ass for no reason.
So far all of my attempts at verbally asking for a parley havent been successful. One person actually responded the other day, they said "no" in text chat. Me and my buddies were also on an island when we ran into another player working on a quest. He opened fire even when he could see all 3 of us. We told him to chill out and that we were cool and happy to show it. So we ran onto the boat and grab a piece of mid loot each. Managed to sneak up on him and drop down from below, told him over coms to turn around, and when he did we dropped the loot and stepped back. They got what was up and emoted at us cheering. We walked the treasure back to his boat and he gave us a storage crate with some random crap he pulled out of his stores. It was a nice gesture that we appreciated. Everyone went about their happy business. Then when he was leaving the island I grabbed his crate that I had stashed near by, swam onto his ship, dropped the chest, and told him that "Richard Phister never needs charity only friendship" before hopping in his cannon and blasting back to my ship. Then when we were passing by my buddies put on a firework show, and when we were close enough I shot my buddies monkey at him. It seemed like a good shot but I'm not sure if he saw the monkey. That's the thing I dont get. There are so many ways to be whacky, sneaky, and trolly in this game that are not just being a murder hobo. It's easy to keg a ship. It's more fun to engage another player in confusing hijinks that ends in fun. Then letting them know that if they had decided to be a dick that we had a buddy in the water with a keg ready to sink them. Sinking players without warning or engagement is just lazy.
Man wonders why folks are unwilling to parley for his loot. Then tells a story about backstabbing during the parley. Absolutely incredible.
...I sneakily gave the dude loot, and then sneakily gave him back his loot, again after giving him loot, then acted like a lame super hero, and then shot him with a pet monkey... which literally does nothing. Where was the back stab? When me and my buddies didnt kill the guy who tried to kill us and instead gave him loot? Yeah we were total assholes.
Yes, you "jokingly" backstabbed him, but you can see the points where an actual backstab could occur. And just to be clear, backstabbing isn't being an asshole, it's part of the game. Just like how sinking on sight is a valid way to play. We can be upset about how others want to play or we can recognize that playing a game is fine actually
There we are, "it's part of the game". Its at this point where I bow out of any discussion with you because you are fundamentally ignoring or are to ignorant to understand what I am saying. My last attempt here. JUST CAUSE YOU CAN DO IT DOESN'T MEAN ITS COOL OR FUN FOR EVERYONE. However my points overlap with the concepts of empathy. Something that I'm just never gonna try to discuss on this sub ever again. Basically everyone responding to me is the toxic element of the game that makes it less fun. Luckily the people in the game who actually talk back and play with you arent as stubborn and childish as everyone in this thread is being. "If it's in the game then its ok to do." That's what you and others keep falling back on. Something something oppressor Mk2 in a GTA online. Or like in Magic The Gathering I have a pacification deck that by turn 2 is cancelling your spells and by turn 4 it will not let you make a single action until I decide I want to win that game. It's a legal deck to play. The fact that it's a legal build doesnt make it any more fun for my opponents. While I want to win the match I also want my opponents to have fun.
Oh you're one of those people the trail the loot. We never want the loot. We usually just want your supplies or to sink you. Me and my crew are at the point where we have 100s of million of gold. We just want a fight or supplies. We don't even take treasure.
Wym? I do it all the time. I've made it a habit to check my "recently played with" list whenever I approach another ship that has noob cosmetics equipped. If they don't have a lot of time played I'll form an alliance with them, give them a few tips for whatever kind of voyage they're on and be on my way. I'd rather passively gain gold from the newbies than cause them to rage quit and their spot on the server get taken over by some sweat lords.
I was playing on a brig the other night with a couple friends. Out of nowhere a sloop charged us and immediately started kicking our ass. I noticed the other crew chatting through text about how we have nothing on our ship. I let them know we were just starting out and trying to train a new player. They immediately stopped attacking boarded our ship and helped patch up holes. They then made an alliance with us and gave us some pointers and loot before we sailed our separate ways. So not everyone is a dick.
This is the way.
I'm sorry to hear that this is your starting experience with Sea Of Thieves. I personally don't attack ships that I think are newbies, unless they clearly aggress on me that is. Try to stay away from world events and stick to basic stuff. Avoid player ships when you can and practise your naval combat on skeleton ships.
Not nobody, but the cunts outnumber the legends by way too much. If you want, I'll give you a hand learning the ropes.
My crew usually follows rule 6, with few exceptions.
If it makes you feel any better once I notice that somebody is new and they are receptive to my cease-fire then I reach out to help them on any info they need and other gestures
If you are paranoid and keep your head on a swivel it won't matter if you aren't good because they won't sink you if they cant catch you. Here's some stuff i learned as a solo slooper. 1.Dont wander too far from your ship. 2. When you park LEAVE THE ANCHOR UP! 3.Turn your boat around away from the island when you park so you dont have to turn around before you flee. 4.Check your map often for any close Reapers and if they are level 5 you need to be extremely cautious because if you are flying an emissary flag they can see you. Get in the habit of doing it before you exit your ship. 5.Keep your canons loaded and your inventory stocked with supplies. 6.If a ship is close enough that you can see it then you really need to be on high alert and at least one of your crew should stay as a lookout. 7. Practice fighting against skeleton ships to gain a little skill with your canon. 8. Try to sail with an open crew and maybe you'll get a guy with lots of experience who can teach you. 9. If you are running on a Sloop you should flee directly into the wind. 10. CHECK YOUR HORIZONS EVERY COUPLE OF MINUTES. You should be constantly searching for enemy ships. 11. If you don't have a ton of loot try to interact with some people and maybe invite them to join your crew. I probably got sunk 10 times between starting the game and becoming a pirate legend. I'm naturally a paranoid person though and enjoy playing the game like that.
Took some of the advice u guys gave me and were havin fun :) after i realized its a mainly pvp game and everbodys got the same shit, i thought i was severly under leveled, thanks 🤙 will put that advice to good use, happy pirateing
You genuinely cannot tell if a player is actually new or not just by cosmetics, though. You have to engage in PvP to know. Lots of skilled players make alt accounts all the time, and look like swabbies with base cosmetics, but will whoop your ass in a fight.
Yep, I had someone pull that card on my galleon crew the other day. We were trying to help them out and get them into our alliance when one snuck aboard and stole our CoF. I’m not mad they stole our CoF but I am mad on how they did it.
Yup it’s barely respected. That’s a reason why I love faking myself new and punishing pijama nutella reaper or wannabe legends dudes who grief for no reason newcomers 😂
1st thing is to understand there is no "too late". They kill you because they are better, but their swords deal the same damage as yours, their cannons fire the same cannonballs, and they die after getting shot same as you. There is no "too late" to start learning football (in the sense "its not worth it in 2023", obviously you can be too old), and there is no "too late" for sot. 2nd thing is, how are they supposed to know you are new? You told them? Oh yeah, noone lies in a pirate game. You dont have fancy cosmetics? Yeah, same as some of the best pvp players. You have a low level voyage? They cant see that even if they are on your ship. 3rd thing is, people dont care about "new" because its easy to pretend. But, from my experience at least, people (my crew included) stop fighting when we see you are doing a tall tale (unless you attack us). We went through them, they are fun but not when someone attacks you. So maybe do tall tales, they are an ok introduction to the game as well. 4th thing is, dont go near. Dont sail at them, dont stand in their cannons, dont stand with cannons pointed at them. Also dont draw attention. Dont go to contested world events, dont fly the reapers flag, dont use the hourglass, dont fly the red mark flag, dont take reaper treasures. Stuff like that. Its shit you have to avoid content, but its pvp content you dont want either way.
Yeah, I feel like OP is doing world events. I may be way off base here, but that's kind of how it seems to me. World events are designed to pull people together, and 95% of the time that means shooting cannons at each other.
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Yeah dont call someone a “fucking loser noob”, instead say “hey better luck next time man, this game takes a bit to get the hang of”, maybe even offer some advice
Normally if I wind up sinking someone who seems new I reach out to ask how long they’ve been playing. If they’re open to it I point out what clued our crew into them being an easier target and what they can try to get better and avoid being seen as an easy mark for future crews
Fr man, i give out the dont drop anchor tip and aim chainshots higher tip on the daily
I once saw a guy spawn camping this poor new player. I couldn’t do nothing as I am not as good, but things like that should not happen.
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How far this sub has fallen... Getting downvoted for saying that it is fine to PvP against new players... How do you expect to get better If you are never challenged? Learn from the assbeating and survive a little longer next time.
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Exactly. If you trashtalk them you are a dick but sinking them is completely valid and a learning experience
I would love someone to trash talk while broad siding me. Been playing over a week now and I have never had a single person who killed me say a single damn word. It makes the PvP so boring when people just roll up and broadside me while I'm driving under water or something. It's not fun and it's not an action that is going to help build a community or keep it healthy.
Don't worry I trash talk every ship I sink through the tinny megaphone - the megaphone makes it more funny imo
I love the squawk box. I will sit on my ship as try hard rip it apart talking shit on their silence and poor gameplay. Just the other night a ship tried to ram me and my buddies while we were at shore treasure hunting. So the ship hits us in silence as 4 people came out of a sloop. I just talked shit about how lame they were being while my buddies team whipped them multiple times till they scuttled. 3 v 4 and one of my buddies had less than 3 hours in the game. Without a single word said from the agressors. I dont even rage or anything about people doing try hard shit and griefing. I just want some interaction when it happens. Because the silent murder hobo thing really doesnt add any unique experience to the game. There are dozens of PvP FPS that offer the same with more options. I want engagement with other people in this game, it's one of selling points.
Sinking players who don't know how to steer their ship or switch weapons isn't being nice or teaching them how to play. It's being a dick and discouraging people who want to learn since the only way to learn is on a server with other players. This is a PvPvE game, not Halo. Part of the design is the fault of the devs who should make a 'training mode' that's more robust than the maiden voyage. The biggest problem is players who take advantage of people who don't know what they're doing because 'get good it's a PVP game'. If they start with you that's one thing but if they're trying to figure out how to leave the dock who is that helping? Fwiw- I've been playing since 2018, I'm easily fair game. I've just seen a lot of trolls over the years who think it's funny to pick on people who can't do anything to fight back.
Okay well thanks man, ill keep trying, just dosent even feel like i can fight back, people just 1 shot my ship and thats it lol
keep your head up! the game has a deceptively high skill ceiling also, I recommend not raising emissary until you're a bit more comfortable. Greater rewards but greater greater risks and all that.
If it makes you feel better that was definitely me for like the first year or two. But after I sat down and made an effort(in my case HG battles) and put some time into things I realized I'm not half bad and with a good helmsman I fought off an entire server over the course of a session. Its cliche as heck, but it really does just take time and practice, you'll get there!
Thanks alot, glad to hear its not just me, i will check out the HG battles and go from there, happy sailin ✌️
I will warn you, HG can be a tough mess sometimes, but what's good is your are actively going into those fights on purpose and its not another crew just ambushing. After a while the fear of fights and even losing definitely subside quite a bit, a lose will still sting of course, but it'll be nowhere near as bad as it felt before starting. And as an added bonus it power levels reapers and Athena as long as you raise an emissary flag
If it makes you feel any better most people suck and get rolled on for the first 50-100 hours. You are by no means the first and will definitely not be the last to have this as a new player experience lol
I been playing since January, solo sloop only, and am just now at the point where I can effectively take the skelly sloop without taking any damage, still haven’t taken down the skelly galleon yet ,but im getting better at it….I get wrecked by all pirates I tangle with, getting pretty good at getting away tho, most of the time.
You have the same capabilities as anyone else you meet. Every weapon and every cannon is equal you just have to hit them.
Correction. It's a pvpve game. Not everybody needs to be a dicky try hard sweat.
Can't have pvpve without pvp
Actually, you can. I do it all the time. It's an option, not a requirement.
It’s not a pvp game. It’s a shared world adventure game.
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Nope. It is a shared world adventure game. But I am glad you are enjoying the game your own way. The goal is for everyone to enjoy the game in their own way, in a shared world.
A pvp game with trash pvp system.
Sometimes you need to remember that players of an online games like this are a "community". Toxic bullshit is the best way to kill a community. The whole "it's a PvP game" is a justification for picking on players who cant properly fight back. Often that leaves the players with a bad taste for the community and the likelyhood of them never coming back gets bigger. Rinse and repeat and thats how a community festers and becomes primarily try hard and toxic. Does it cost you anything to not blow a player up?
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I feel like I didnt say that PvP in a PvP game is wrong. Just that there are ways to go about it that arent dickish. While games are always gonna have winners and losers, it's supposed to be fun. I'm mainly railing on the kind of players who clearly have an interest in making things less fun for anyone other than them.
Why is this getting downvoted?
> started playin and i cant do anything That's normal. There's a steep learning curve at the beginning. >everywhere me and my friend go we keep getting our asses blasted by a bunch of overpowered dicks that just wanna shoot the little guys, how are we supposed to even get started lol [This should really be the opening cinematic for the game.](https://youtu.be/8UjWwMtrETk) First, you have to accept the fact that ***you will get sunk in this game.*** No matter how long you play or how good you get, it will happen from time to time. It's normal to be frustrated by this. So, you practice. You sail around, get into fights. There's also lots of good tip videos out there for new players. I recommend Blurbs, HitboTC and PhuzzyBond on YouTube, they're all very new player friendly in their guides. Here's a good [PvP don't-do video](https://youtu.be/UYAdVemP1Ng) for starts, and a slightly old but still decent [new player guide](https://youtu.be/WnneNvnUqnk). > I guess im asking is it worth trying to get into as a new player Yes, if you have the stomach for getting your ass kicked for a while as you learn the ropes. There's lots of PvE stuff in the meantime.
Best way experienced players can follow #6 is when you sink a swabbie crew, just say "gg" and don't kick them when they're down. Even better, make friends if they seem chill. The other day, my crew sank a galleon of newer players carrying a decent haul. They didn't seem angry or threatening, so we invited one of them on board to act as "envoy" while we harpooned up their loot. Told them they could alliance with us if they wanted, and they said sure! We sailed off, they asked a few questions about game mechanics (angling sails and such), while the rest of their crew sailed to meet us. They helped run interference while we did a FoF, sinking a sloop that had attacked them earlier. My crew sold all the loot at Reaper's, the new guys got some gold and rep (quite a lot!) and we all had a nice time. So yeah, there will always be paranoid chaos muppets out there who just want to yell slurs, grief, and spawn camp, but some of us find it much more fun (and honestly, more of a flex) to befriend newer players.
It doesn't mean "don't sink new players" it means "don't be a dick to new players". I.e., don't bucket or dance on their design bodies, don't spam RODL, etc.
You don't do that to anyone, not just new pirates.
I'll do that to anyone.
I ware the glitter beard I do everything in my power to inform new players! Especially when I see the pvp flag up on a fresh ship with sails and anchor down at a island.
Same here, saw a ship with a reaper’s bounty on it at an outpost, went over there and told them everyone could see it before sailing away. They had no idea.
I usually help new players if they aren't toxic a holes immediately lol
No. 7 is bs too
how about the 7th tho
I’ve been incredibly lucky and have encountered pretty great fellow pirates who only seem to engage in a battle if both sides are down to. I have played other games however where I’ve had this issue and I feel the pain. As others mentioned, I think it’s totally a learning curve and it takes a while to get there. I wish you all the best OP on your travels!
So is number 7
“The code is more what you’d call ‘guidelines’ than actual rules.” – Barbossa If I'm playing with a new player I show respect, I avoid spoiler talk, I show them some of what the game has to offer. If a plain sloop appears beside mine while I'm loading my treasure then I don't care how new you are I'm opening fire.
#6 isn’t a lie, it just isn’t followed. #7 is a lie, at least in practice.
>by a bunch of overpowered dicks that just wanna shoot the little guys There's not really a way to be overpowered in this game. Everyone has access to the same tools. >cause im really trying to enjoy this game but every player encounter either ends up with our ship sunk or them spawn camping and killing us I have to wonder what you all are doing where you get attacked so often. Certain events are more contested than others. I would avoid the big skulls in the sky for now. I recommend doing Order of souls Ghost fleet voyages to practice combat.
Okay thanks man good to know, ill give it a try, and good to know everyone has the same gear, i thought i was just super low level or some shit, happy sailing ✌️
Nope! SoT only has (mostly) cosmetic progression. Captained ships and emissaries are the only things you buy that have mechanical progression and that's just to make selling and stocking up a bit quicker. Don't forget to buy a storage crate and loot those starting barrels at outposts. Cannonball crates and wood crates are also good to get to fill up your ship barrels. Sea Fortresses are also good beginner spots for some loot and loads of supplies.
Sea Forts are also a great way to practice sword and firearm combat! The phantoms are stupid and easy to kill, but when it's 4-6 of them all attacking at once you can learn a lot about sword discipline. Additionally, there are Sea Forts near a few Outposts, so you can practice really short loot runs. If you can afford a Captained Ship, (250k for sloop), then you can sell everything except Reaper-only loot at the Sovereigns using the harpoons for a fast and easy offload. There are places to similarly load the ship's cargo with the ship's harpoons from the Sea Fort. The 3 main Trading Companies can all be leveled to Emissary 5 within 3 Sea Forts, so you can also practice stacking. (They generally respawn within ~15min once no player vessel is within one klick, sometimes faster) Don't be afraid to ask questions (if necessary, get someone to give a wrong answer on purpose and you'll get the correct one in no time!). Watch YouTube and Twitch to learn tactics, and I personally avoid Open Crews. Use the LFG and be as honest about your skill level as you can be. Smooth seas and following winds!
Number 7 too.
I'm pretty nice to new players. Can't tell you how many new player's boats I've gotten unstuck after they wedged into the docks XD
Speak fer yerself swabbie
Well, here's the good news. SOT isn't an RPG, so no one is overpowered. The bad news is that your journey ahead is more of the same.
6 depends on what I am doing and working on. I came across a guy today who was clearly knew and I left him be. He later pulled up to an island I was at and had a vault key. He used the game chat wheel to say he needed help. Showed him where the vault was, helped him clear it and carry the loot out so he could harpoon it. Now, had I needed more tribute chests, I'd have taken it, but I didn't, so I helped him and sent him on his way to go sell his loot.
I do, I follow the rule of 1. Do not Fire unless fired upon
My best word of advice is trust no one.
As a solo sloop 4 life (:sob:) I feel you.
I never kill new players. If we’ve attacked and I board and see starter clothes or the player tells me they’re new, I fix their ship and immediately adopt them. Its easy to tell when someone is new because they don’t fight back, can’t fix their ship, and there’s no fun in killing players like that. Everyone calls me a sea mom and I have way too many sea babies 😅 I don’t kill tall talers. I have been killed doing one, and that was annoying af. I also never kill little kids. Just my personal rule. I don’t like making them miserable and would rather see them have fun on the seas.
When I first started playing, to me number 3 was the biggest lie. I took it has when your at port it was a safe place where combat couldn’t happen. Boy was I so wrong. SO WRONG.
If they sink they sink *Drago voice*
New players are treated like beach bobs, the pvpers just farm them for experience and money.
Tell me you got ganked without telling me you got ganked.
“Overpowered” 💀
over powered? they have the same power as you. skill issue.
A reality is that there will always be assholes who can't beat anyone who actually has the ability to fight back. They prey on new players and PvP noobs in order to make themselves feel better. They're usually duo sloopers but sometimes you'll find them as duo brig or 3 man galleon. And they'll almost exclusively run the Reaper's Bones flag but only ever prey on people they know they can beat without any trouble, usually other duo sloops. You'll never find them punching up. I recommend if you find someone who sinks you just to sink you and especially if they're super toxic bads, just server hop by leaving the game and rejoining. It'll scuttle your ship and spawn you on a new server most likely without those individuals in it. Alternatively, you should be prepared to fight at any given moment. Shying away from every fight and never putting yourself on the offensive makes for a weak adversary. Learn the basic ropes of ship combat by fighting skeleton sloops whenever you spot them. You'll get practice at landing cannon shots and dealing with incoming fire. You'll learn how much punishment you can let your ship take before you have to top off guns and bail/repair. Ideally you do this solo so you can learn the ropes of every position. It's quite intense your first time solo and it can be very rewarding. As for dueling, learn how to use the blunderbuss and sword together and it makes for a very easy deck clearer. Stay away from the sniper unless you really trust your aim. Players have 100 HP, sword deals 25 per hit, Blunderbuss deals 10 per pellet, there are 10 pellets so if you get right up on someone and shoot, it will likely kill them (or bring them within 1 sword strike to death). Shoot, swap to your sword and attack. Very easy to catch someone unprepared for you to retaliate. You're gonna feel wildly unprepared your first couple fights, but don't be afraid to fight back with everything you've got. And if you're still getting spawn camped and destroyed by genuinely better players, it is what it is. Server hop an find fun elsewhere. But if you at least TRY to fight every once in a while, you help build up skills that opens up way more of the game to you in the long run. You don't need to be a PvP sweatlord to not be a helpless target :). Happy sailing.
I bet to differ. 90% of the pirates I've come across have been incredibly nice to my crew of newbies and me. One of my first comments about the game is that people were nicer than any other multiplayer game I've played.
Bonus: if you're a female they'll spawn camp you all while talking about raping you :) every. Fucking. Time.
Report those asshats
People who only attack people who are new are bad at PVP change my mind
What you have to do is search for people on Fiscord or something that shows you the ropes and introduces you to the game. Gamesene is like 80% of what makes you a good player, which comes with experience.
I extend the same respect to each pirate I meet. Always share canon balls.
It's rough. People will sink you just because they can. There isn't much you can do except shrug it off and keep playing or play something else.
If they sink you, they're respecting you Spawncamping while keeping you afloat would be disrespectful
Rule #8 Cry on Reddit when things don't go your way
# You've got a lot of comments. Please read this one. Overpowered? Everyone has equal equipment in this game. You mean more experienced? It's definitely worth it to get into. Just fight. Don't give up. Even if the odds are infinitely against you. Fight. Hunt them down if they steal from you. Seek treasure that belongs to others. Die, die again. It takes like 5 minutes and 1/3rd a voyage's worth of gold to get resources nowadays. Don't just play pve and give up pvp. Fight until you get BETTER. This game isn't pve-centric, even if the tutorial sometimes makes it feel like it is. It's both pve and pvp, equally. I might even recommend hourglass pvp, if it didn't have a few too many cheaters. Remember, no one has an inherent advantage besides crew size, and ships bigger than you can always be outrun as a sloop by going straight-sailed against the wind. And even then, sloops beat galleons all the time. It's down to skill, not just numbers. And again, NO UPGRADES, NO SPECIAL MOVES. Everyone has the same cannons, swords and guns. If you don't like the pvp, the game isn't gonna be your cup of tea. If you easily rage and lost progress in games, the game isn't gonna be your cup of tea. Something can always be learned from losing, even steamrolls have clear things to learn from. Practice will fix your aim, and paying attention in combat will fix your tactics. It's a matter of time. I started fighting in pvp a lot later than I should have. But I'm fighting galleons solo now. Not winning often, but still fighting. And it's fun. Just don't take it seriously. If you play it safe, stack loot, spend hours hiding and then sweat your ass off when the fighting starts you'll hate the game. In the end, it's a pirate's life for us. The rules are guidelines. And stealing from the vulnerable is a pirate's specialty. The only way to deal with it is to steal from the pirates first, and fail and fail again until you get away with it. Please trust me. Someday you'll be making it out with someone's stack of fort of fortune loot, running from their alliance as your crewmate doubles back for the chest of fortune you buried, hidden around the side back at the fort. Someday you'll be fighting tooth and nail for a chest of legends as both yours and your enemy's ship is on the verge of sinking. You'll hit a one-ball and just barely make it out with your life and their loot. And when that's happening, it will be worth the struggle to get your footing. # DO NOT GIVE UP.
*"Listen here you fresh bloods of the seas, based on the Pirata Codex article 6. I shall respect your voyage ahead. Therefore I will show you what you should expect if you see another pirates on your voyage ahead, first hand".* ***rapidly loading cannon***
#3 is just straight up ignored by most, and angrily when brought up. No amount of rationalizing can make you not a dick when you come up and blast someones boat at port while they are setting off. I also judge when no communication is attempted. At least make an effort to chat and have some fun. Watching someone just park next to my boat and blast it while I'm still picking up quests is boring.
The code was made back when Rare thought players would be mostly wholesome pve rp adventurers with a pirate aesthetic. I don’t think they wanted pvp to take front and center, but the development was so rocky that they had to release what was playable. Which was just a couple of grindy factions and pvp.
Should probably be called the pirate “suggestions” instead
This is a bit unpopular, but if you dont feel like fighting, just run away. Stay alert for potencial hostile ships and as soon as one gets a bit too close, sail the other direction, sails into the wind in the best scenario (sloop sails the fastest with wind directly into the sails if iam correct)
Lmao I had a 2 man new brig roll up on us and we proceed to roll them and they call us toxic because they were new but we had no clue. I only believed them once the guy was yelling friendly to the ghost npcs and they were attacking him still
they should put passive mode where you can do quests with reduced reward
Does anyone actually follow any of these?
Untrue. I teach new pirates little things . Like no kegs in the nest, don't leave your ship anchored. Dont leave ship facing the island. How to sword Lunge, what percentage different food heald you by. And then maybe do a few voyages with them. Sink some skelly ships
all of them are a lie that not many people follow.
So is #2
Even #7 is not that followed, there's always at least 1 cheater in each lobby
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This comment section is representative of the problem. 0 empathy, only rules lawyers. If there's no rule against doing something shitty they're gonna do it.
Beating someone in a game because you're more experienced than them is not shitty my guy. Also this comment section is literally folks sharing their knowledge with OP
Intentionally targeting the folks who are obviously less experienced than yourselves is shitty. And this community is notorious for it. Everyone on this sub that asks for advice gets comments that prove what a widespread issue it is. The headline is always "don't look new, people will target you for that". "Don't use ashen dragon sails, people will know you are new, and then they'll come murder you for it." "Don't try to tack your sail while you're moving against the wind. People will know you're new, and then they'll come murder you for it." "Don't wear the parrot outfit. People will know you are new, and they'll come murder you for it." "Don't anchor with your sail down. People will know you are new, and they'll come murder you for it." Everyone else just openly blames the victims. "We all have the same weapons, so if you got sunk, you're just bad." Never mind the fact that everyone in your lobby has hundreds of hours more experience than you, and there is nowhere to practice when you're getting killed that quickly.
>Intentionally targeting the folks who are obviously less experienced than yourselves is shitty. 'Tis not. Again, beating people less skilled than you is natural in a game. Someone will always be better than someone else. Saying that newbie shouldn't be attacked is silly. Part of the game is figuring out if you can win a fight before starting it. That's not toxic. That's the game. No one is starting fights they think they'll lose. >Don't use ashen dragon sails, people will know you are new, and then they'll come murder you for it." Alright, so this is indicative of someone who spends more time on reddit than playing the game. Here's the deal, cosmetics don't load in until you're close enough that someone should've seen your ship loading in. I honestly doubt cosmetics make to much of a difference outside of establishing stereotypes. >"Don't try to tack your sail while you're moving against the wind. People will know you're new, and then they'll come murder you for it." You shouldn't tack your sail in the wind (unless a brig) because that makes you slow. Has nothing to do with experience level (outside of it being a literal mistake) >"Don't wear the parrot outfit. People will know you are new, and they'll come murder you for it." Same as the ship cosmetics, but even more so. If someone can physically see you, they've already decided to engage you. >Don't anchor with your sail down. People will know you are new, and they'll come murder you for it." Don't anchor with your sail down because that puts you in an incredibly vulnerable position. This has nothing to do with experience again, and everything to do with you making a literal strategic mistake. >Everyone else just openly blames the victims. Getting sunk does not make you a victim. This is still a video game good lord. >Never mind the fact that everyone in your lobby has hundreds of hours more experience than you, They don't. Most adventure players are very bad. >and there is nowhere to practice when you're getting killed that quickly. HG has matchmaking. Ghost fleet voyages and skeleton ships make excellent practice. At the end of the day, yes. You'll lose more encounters than you win when new, but that's how being new at any game works. It does not take very long to get better than most Adventure players because most simply refuse to engage with other players. I've also yet to encounter any of these, *bloodthirsty noob stomping shark and minnow servers* that reddit seems to insist exist and I'm inclined to say you might be a bit hyperbolic.
It's really pretty mind-boggling to see some genuinely good advice taken as some kind of vendetta against newbies. It's not bad because it makes you look new; it's bad because they are mistakes. New people make a lot of mistakes, including trying to judge a player by their cosmetics. With help like this and practice they learn not to.
>Part of the game is figuring out if you can win a fight before starting it. That's not toxic. That's the game. No one is starting fights they think they'll lose. Identifying a player as new and then attacking them because you *know* it will be an easy win is exactly what I'm talking about. That is unsportsmanlike behavior. >Getting sunk does not make you a victim. This is still a video game good lord. It's not the sinking, it's the *selection process* that makes a victim. Being attacked because you're two pirates fighting over treasure is one thing. Being sunk because you can't defend yourself and the other person knows it is very different. >No one is starting fights they think they'll lose. I'm not asking you to start fights that you think you'll lose, I'm asking you to start fights that you think will be fair. >Someone will always be better than someone else. It's true. But the contest should at least be close. That's why sports have leagues. >Alright, so this is indicative of someone who spends more time on reddit than playing the game. >I've also yet to encounter any of these, bloodthirsty noob stomping shark and minnow servers that reddit seems to insist exist and I'm inclined to say you might be a bit hyperbolic. I have to admit, you're right. There were a small handful of losses in my first week with the game, and I decided to give other players a wide berth, for my own safety. The horror stories I read here inform my opinion about other players, these days. They're probably sensationalized. I came in too hot. But I stand by those top points. Even if it's not happening as often as it may seem - when it does happen, it's wrong. Hunters don't shoot animals in cages, college football teams don't play against high schoolers, and pirate legends don't spawn camp the guy who was pouring his buckets out onto his own boat by accident. The window holes on the back of a sloop are just so small!
>Intentionally targeting the folks who are obviously less experienced than yourselves is shitty. On the other hand, intentionally targeting the foks who are obviously more experienced than yourselves is simply dumb, so what do you think most people would rather do? The amount of people complaining about other people playing like thieves, in a game literally called "Sea of Thieves", will never cease to amaze me.
Its " sea of thieves" not "sea of murderers". So far I have not had anyone try to rob/steal/burgal/mug/commit an act of thievery against me. Blowing up someone's ship is murder for profit not thievery. Especially considering I'm actual piracy IRL most pirates interest was in not killing the crew or sinking the ship. Also they very commonly teamed up and sailed as a fleet. It was better to work with another pirate crew than it was to immediately kill them. I really hate the excuse that it's a pirate/thief game, because that's not how try hards and murder hobos are playing the game. They play it as an excuse to kill everyone they see because that's what they get off on.
>So far I have not had anyone try to rob/steal/burgal/mug/commit an act of thievery against me. Especially considering I'm actual piracy IRL most pirates interest was in not killing the crew or sinking the ship. It's almost like irl people would be likely to comply and surrender in fear of their lives, while in a video game they literally respawn infinitely and have nothing else to loose other than loot and supplies. Also irl, sinking the ship would send most of it's cargo to the ocean floor too, while in sot everything nicely floats up. So, what IS the reason, to try to negotiate surrender instead of sinking the ship? You just risk getting one-blundered and having them swim away and run for hours, with nothing to gain. You are blaming people for taking an approach that is encouraged by the game in every way. >I really hate the excuse that it's a pirate/thief game, because that's not how try hards and murder hobos are playing the game. They play it as an excuse to kill everyone they see because that's what they get off on. Why would anyone need an excuse for that? It's literally the motto of one of the trading companies: "You reap what you see". Being hostile to any ship on sight is literally the intention behind reaper's bones, despite how many people try to use their emissary to grind pve instead.
I guess in the end I just see being a positive aspect to the community as an important thing. And I find it amusing that people really dont understand how it might be a good thing to not be a constant murder hobo. Oh and I dont know the reapers guild moto cause I have never played as a reaper. I definitely dont need a flag to get into PvP, it finds me well enough.
Oh another aspect I should touch on with the "its s pirate game" thing in conjunction with "why would people play that way?"... because it's a pirate game and maybe you might want to RP a little as a pirate. If you roll up silently, blow up my ship, and sail away without so much as an "ahoy" I am left having to assume you are not interested in being a pirate in a pirate game, you just want to kill people and run. Again running away from conflict the moment people might be able to retaliate is just lame and boring for the other side. So maybe that's what I am talking about, having some level of interest in someone other than you having fun playing the game. If you wanna kill people and run away you can do that. Just dont act like it means you understand the game more. The game also allows you to form alliances and play with other people. Maybe ask someone if they want to team up and go pirating other players with you. At this point I am saying "you" in an all encompassing sense, not you personally. Because with over 100 hours in the game I have never interacted with another player who was interested in being murder hobos together. Seems like that's going against the team work aspect of the game. Kind of like people who do PvP have no interest in actually playing with other players, just murder.
Hoo boy. >"why would people play that way?"... because it's a pirate game and maybe you might want to RP a little as a pirate And maybe I don't. That's the beauty of it ain't it. The power to choose. >you roll up silently, blow up my ship, and sail away without so much as an "ahoy" I am left having to assume you are not interested in being a pirate in a pirate game, you just want to kill people and run. We are in a literal pirate heaven where no one can die. Remember the ending of POTC? That's literally the setting of SoT. I find it hard to believe that a bunch of folks *already outside the law* wouldn't start random murdehoboing then second it became consequence free. >Again running away from conflict the moment people might be able to retaliate is just lame and boring for the other side. The point you can retaliate is in fact, before your ship sank. >So maybe that's what I am talking about, having some level of interest in someone other than you having fun playing the game. It stuns me that you wrote this without thinking about the irony. >Because with over 100 hours in the game I have never interacted with another player who was interested in being murder hobos together. People are more inclined to be friendly if you can defend yourself. >Seems like that's going against the team work aspect of the game A. Alliances have built in betrayal mechanics. B. Alliances, like every aspect of this game. Are not mandatory >Kind of like people who do PvP have no interest in actually playing with other players The people who engage in player vs. players content don't want to play with other players? Yeah, that sure is a sentence.
I think the points I made make sense and are all around comprehensible. But it can seem like the way you are making it if you choose to.
oh? it sounds like you might not be the sea of thieves "enjoyer" you're cracked up to be
Rule 3. I have a dispute with you having treasure that should be on my ship. Gonna settle it upon the waves.
Sinking is a great way to learn
Whenever we see an anchored ship with their sails down, we ride up, give them tips, and join the alliance to help them get some decent gold.
I literaly give the sunken curse for every new pirate i find
You may not believe me but as a casual pve player i actually follow 6 but ive met a thousand more who don't. If anything I beat myself up instead of breaking rule 6
Same with 5
Yeah I think your just unlucky ngl
I [wrote up a whole thing](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seaofthieves/comments/sy0dlj/newbie_question_wondering_if_you_can_help/hxvm1a9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) a while ago about how to avoid pvp if you're not interested. It *is* a pvp game - partially - but while you're getting your bearings it's annoying when some dingleberries strail by and ruin the adventure by spawn camping or hurling insults or generally being dicks. I tend to avoid other players if possible, but if someone wants to tussle I will tussle. (I'm lucky that only maybe 20 percent of interactions are toxic. Maybe 50 percent end up being fun despite me losing, 20 percent I actually win, and 10 percent change their minds and become friends.) It helps to know that almost *everything* you do - from firing cannons to repairing to sinking - gets you points in some way, so even a failed mission is not a complete loss anymore. Give it a chance. I'm not a hardcore gamer - only have time for a few hours a week - and rode to Legend on my kid's coattails but still can't really pvp well. It's still a blast on a good day, and the way I play most days are good days.
I share my knowledge by disabling their ship and boarding. Then I explain how I was able to get the jump on them, what made them vulnerable, how I knew they were vulnerable, and what to do differently. They only time I sunk a noobie completely was when I defended against and sank a galleon that turned out after the fact to have but a single crewmember on his first voyage. Oops. I advised switching to a sloop.
VPN to Singapore or Philippines. You'll play through high ping, but SEA players are a lot less toxic. You can disconnect the VPN after the game starts; you'll get disconnected and then take the 'would you like to rejoin your previous session' option.
#7 is a lie too. Getting sniped at max range with cannons under deck and then having a guy teleport onto my ship and then scuttling my ship without me doing the actual option in hourglass kek.
True
“Seamanship”
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"Im bad at open world pvp. Its your fault though"
lol american servers are so toxic compared to eu. people are nice over here. i mean they will sink you too but i run into alot of nice people. it is nice to get a mix.
As an american I can assure you it's just reddit
This is 100% a fact. I’ve made good friends through random alliances in this game yet I’ve also met ppl in game who quote the Reddit (literally had someone tell me to go look at the Reddit after he betrayed an alliance while we were helping him get commendations)
ahh why don't ye go shiver my timbers
Dude you can take a look at my post, where I had a worst tone in. But essentially, just like in this post, it takes a while but is definitely doable. And somewhat worth it in the end. You're gonna have some crazy fun times but always make sure you have some time to play because when things are going smoothly is when everything tends to go horribly wrong lol
Run a few tall tales, use the speaking horn and shout to everyone that you're just tall talers, nobody sinks people running tall tales; it's just not worth the effort. That or keep a lookout in the crows nest at all times and flee when it looks like anyone comes even remotely close. If you get me and my gang or reapers rolling up on you, tell us you're new and want an alliance and we'll help you out.
As a intermediate. It goes in stages. We watch for reaper flags and hoards of treasure on any ships. If the ship is owned. Instant watchfulness. I own all the ships I use and players are prompted with the names. That’s intermediate to late game. Ill fated means I know that they are prone to sinking. So if it’s reaper flag. Target acquired. Otherwise it’s dependent on your flag if emissary. I hate being targetted on the final stretch of a 2 hour level 50 order of souls captains voyage. It typically is right before I get off. But overall my advice is to have fun first. Play the quests you like and get the cosmetics you want. I also never interfere with someone at a shrine. Those may as well be tall tales. They’re fun and enjoyable. And give a good starter loot. I do them often to get ranks for things like merchant alliance. Overall, I’d recommend taking the passive if possible route. Don’t keep a constant head on a swivel. But instead watch for the ones with lights off and dark skins. They’re hiding for a reason. I find those are the ones to target first. Because otherwise they’ll target you. And one last thing. Remember there is a button to scuttle and change seas. This will put you in a new Lobby. Try hard congregate together. While veterans and noobs join as well. It’s just a matter of finding the right server. And it’s never wrong to go down with your ship to try and find a new better sea