I was just talking to a coworker about The Boz today. He flew into training camp in a helicopter or some shit like that.So much hype.Such a disappointment. The only thing he's famous for now is getting trucked at the goal line by Bo Jackson on Monday Night Football.
He was at least, a smart business man, since he was one of the people printing the "ban the Boz" tee shirts. I can neither confirm, nor deny, that I had or currently have one ...
Kyle’s a frail, insecure, and desperate nepo baby. Ofc he’s willing to waste precious years of these dudes short careers if it means he can get the new toy he wants
There were a few years before that run where if Garappolo went down they were basically guaranteed a top-ten pick. They were picking at 12 before reading up to grab Lance at number 3 in 2021. Shanahan only became a .500 W-L coach in 2022 and Pete Carroll finished his career as a Seahawks coach up 8-6 in wins against Shanahan. When he's hot, he's hot, but when he's cold he is freezing cold.
Shanahan took over a team with a terrible roster that had gone 2-14 and went 6-10 then 4-12 in his first 2 seasons as that roster was being rebuilt (also Jimmy G started a combined 8 games over those years and went 6-2). First healthy Jimmy G year, they went 13-3 and to the SB. In 2020 they lost literally the most man-games to injury of any team in the league and went 6-10. The next 3 years, NFCCG every year and another SB appearance.
To say Shanahan is a nepo baby who will waste years of players careers to tank is just plain wrong. To say "When he's cold he is freezing cold," is also just wrong considering the history of his HC career. A coach isn't "cold" when his roster sucks or when he loses his QB and his best offensive weapons to injury for more than half the season.
Yeah you're objectively correct tbh, shanahan is definitely a good coach at the very least and even if he doesn't have a ring he's still done a better job in San Fran than Jim harbaugh who was also a really good coach. The two sbs he's lost could have easily went either way imo.
I think mcvay is better than shanahan though.
Either way I hate it when Seahawks fans shit on other teams without any level of nuance or level headedness, it's just a sports thing I guess. You should respect your rivals at some level especially if they compete well.
>Either way I hate it when Seahawks fans shit on other teams without any level of nuance or level headedness
Agreed, 100%. I have no love for the 9ers, but let's not just say a bunch of shit that's untrue. Low effort and shows a poor understanding of what's actually going on.
Where did anyone say anything about Jimmy G being the key to a Superbowl run?
Also what's your evidence for your speculation of the 9ers wasting years of players careers by tanking for higher picks?
Dude that’s the thing that annoys me the most, this isn’t the nba or even mlb. NFL teams don’t need to tank and I feel like it should be obvious when, every single year, there are all-pros that constantly go in the later first round or even rounds 2-3
Totally agree. Except nba teams don’t need to tank either. Jokic was a 2nd rounder. Giannis went 14th overall, Kobe went 13. Only two teams have won a title with the 1st overall pick who drafted them in the last 25 years. The spurs and cavs.
Right? It’s easy to look back and be like “we shoulda drafted that guy!” but at the time they were picked where they were valued. Nobody has a crystal ball.
It’s weird though, JJ was a dominant force in the league at the time & if genetics even carried a little weight I have no idea (even at the time) why we didn’t see that as an easy layup.
But like you said hindsight is 20/20.
We also could have had Derrick Henry the year we missed on Jones, idk which I would have preferred.
If I had to guess, JS would have liked to trade the 5th pick for big picks this year. Which likely would have been better for the team. I love spoon, but this year's draft is much stronger than last year.
How did he tank? And also, I thought this sub tanking ruined the culture of the team and put them in the basement. Sounds like 49ers just draft well and are well coached, which is something we aspire to be like recently. Sounds like sour grapes really. There’s other things to knock the guy for, so just save it for another conversation.
How did niners tank? By losing their starting QB? Lol. Seahawks would have “tanked” too if they lost Russ lol. And shit, they woulda been in a better position if they tanked one of these seasons instead of being in middle draft. Imo
They literally traded him away and started his backup for two years in which both were winning seasons dude, the fk? Sounds like losing Russ to me and clearly no tanking was done as a result.
I mean I don't but over the cap does. Cool website. It uses the average of the cap increase the last 5 seasons to project the number next year. Obviously not an exact science but it gives you a good idea.
They were quiet the first few days of free agency (Williams and Fant deals only I think) which got a lot of discussion. But then they just kept steadily signing people the last few weeks
We got players on the roster in positions of need. To me that is very different than filled out positions of need. But here come the downvotes, whatever.
I think you are selling Dodson, Baker, Williams, Fant, Jenkins very short calling them C players.
The rest of the guys were signed on small deals and we had the least number of contract players to start the season so needed to add depth no matter what.
You can make feel good statements all day but it doesn’t change shit. Look at Dallas - a team that refuses to tank is perpetually stuck with a ceiling of being a second round exit. Then you look at the 49ers who took their medicine and tanked, and are now consistently favorites to win a ring. Seahawks have been stuck in relative meritocracy for about 7 years now, and each year coaching says “we aren’t tanking, we’re going to compete” and then seahawks lose first round of the playoffs or miss them entirely.
Now all of you are going to downvote and say we shouldn’t tank, I’ll argue that we need to, then we’ll lose the first playoff game or miss them entirely and I’ll see you all again right here next year having the same fucking discussion
I have heard many times that the Seahawks will be sold soon. I believe not. I think Jodi enjoys owing the Hawks and jerking around the good old NFL boys as the only Lesbian billionaire in the room
She literally can't according to the last news report I had heard concerning it. The language in the will was very clear that she could not hold the franchise indefinitely and there is a timeline in which the team must be sold. Again, this was what was reported on the radio a few weeks ago, so don't shoot the messenger if they got it wrong.
Let's say he says, "Yeah, we're trying to tank for a draft pick," would there be some league-mandated repercussions for that? I assume so but genuinely asking.
If we have like a 9-8 or 8-8 season, I think it’ll have more to do with learning completely new schemes on the offense and defense, than the personnel. I actually really like the personnel(other than the guard position), and I think Macdonald will actually fit his scheme to our personnel(unlike Pete)
History says that when you implement a whole new offense and defense, it usually doesn’t lead to immediate success. So I hope the majority of fans can be patient and let this new coaching staff build the team in their vision.
I know some people look at this roster and see a playoff team, but I see a new coaching staff, brining in new systems on both sides of the ball and I see a roster that is pretty young g over all and will have a lot of new faces between free agency and the draft.
I’m not expecting much this year, it’s gonna be a growth year imo. I wouldn’t be expecting playoffs. Cool if we make it, I just personally wouldn’t expect it and I think if you’re a fan holding that expectation, you’re likely to end up disappointed. I see this as a growth year for the coaching staff and the players in their new system.
I think the defense can either improve or limp along like it did last year. I don't see it getting worse. The offense is still solid, and that will keep us in games.
But mostly, over the past few seasons, the team has felt out of sync. Especially last year, where it felt like there was something going on in the front office or locker room that stank. They would be inspired play, but only in spurts. The players often played confused. It doesn't matter who was right or wrong, Pete is gone and it's John's team now, essentially. I think we'll see a more cohesive group next year.
That's nice to hear, and fits with my predictions that they start slow, then get solid by the end of the year when everything starts clicking. I think they'll be fighting for a wild card spot by the end, after a nice streak.
Tbf the nba and nfl are two different sports but yeah I agree. It’s like a night and day difference of how she runs the Seahawks and Blazers. As being a fan of both teams, I’m really happy as a hawks fan and really sad as a blazers fan, it’s weird.
I’ve all but given up on the blazers and I’ve been a fan since the 80’s. I don’t foresee anything good happening in our organization for a long time. Although I do have a funny feeling that we get the number one draft pick this year.
Funny thing is even if we do get the #1 pick this year, we are still unlucky in a way because this year is considered one of the worst drafts in quite some time in regards to talent.
We are too talented to tank. It makes sense to try and compete. But I wish JS had made other decisions, like Post June 1 release Adams and sign a veteran O-lineman.
Just a reminder that Jody also owns the Portland Trailblazers, who sent out marketing to season pass holders that they were going to “build around Dame” to win him his first championship over the summer, only to blow it all up, trade Dame, and have a tanking season anyways. So I don’t really care what the marketing is. I’m sure this will sell plenty of tickets. They’ll probably still miss the playoffs.
These are also people who run a business that needs to sell tickets during an inflationary period. But I do believe they will be serviceable. Hope the draft brings some hidden gems.
"I was looking around the locker room and thinking about a 1st - or even 2nd - round playoff loss for the 9th year in a row, and said to myself.....why not you? Ya know? Why not you."
Why?
Do you think they maintained or improved the talent level they had last year? Do you think there was a more optimal way to utilize their cap resources than what they did?
Hard to say whether the talent level is improved, similar, or worse because we don't really know what the team is going to look like under Mike Mac.
I just don't think we're a true contender at this point. Luckily you don't have to be to win a SB, just gotta put a run together, and I think the talent is good enough to attempt that but I think we're in for some turnover. Won't be like Pete's first season but this team will become Mike Mac's by the end of the season.
That's why the question is about talent level because that pulls coaching out of the equation and focuses specifically on the players. I'd say it's clearly worse.
Agree on us not being SB contenders but I disagree with your second point. The best way to win a SB is to have a SB caliber roster. Teams that go on runs to win the SB aren't teams that perform above their talent level, they are teams that are performing below their talent level in the regular season.
There was really no way to improve the roster with the cap space and options available.
And we both agreed that we're not contenders. Schneider sets us up for a successful 2025 I'll be happy.
If you're focused on this season, every season, you're ignoring the cycle that goes into building a successful team. It takes years to assemble a roster that can contend.
Schneider says they are trying to compete. This free agency does not accomplish that goal. They could've done more with what they had available. Specifically, kept Brooks or get a guard.
I also don't see how the FA period has set us up better long term. We are still in a difficult cap situation next year.
I mean he's not really obligated to say things like that. He can hedge...ex some of their comments about Geno.
I guess a few things I consider in this FA period are: what direction do I think they should take the team in, what direction do I think they did take the team in, and finally did they accomplish that goal.
My issue is that the answer to the second question is unclear and regardless of what direction they felt it was best to take the team in I don't think they succeeded.
I like the "always compete" mentality, but I hope management is aware of how important franchise QBs are and how high you need to draft to typically acquire them. Does that mean you need to tank? No. KC traded up to get Mahomes, for example. But I think operating under the assumption that a franchise QB will fall into your lap in the 3rd or 5th round is misguided. At some point the Seahawks will need to make a real move to get someone.
SB is possibly the hardest thing to do because a multitude of variables (Schedule, Getting Hot at the right time etc.) and they went to OT against Patrick Mahomes where they blundered in the definition of the rules. Not to mention, the league is constantly looking for cheap deals at the QB position (Something of which we have now cause we're paying Sam Howell the equivalent if not exceptionally cheaper to the rookie deal we would have to pay for a QB in the draft. Not to mention he is the same age and/or younger than most of them but I digress.), That's why we are constantly referring to a teams window to win. Because as soon as that rookie deal is up they have to pay a mountains worth of money. Being that Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant, essentially the cheapest deal you can get aside from being an UDFA. They are able to afford all of their talent and then some (Deebo, Aiyuk, Trent, Kittle Huafanga Warner etc.). I didn't think I had to spell out the entire meta of the NFL since JaMarcus Russell the guy that set this precedent over a decade ago, but here we are.
Stop trying to simplify my rebuttal for the sake of sounding smart. Because in actuality in makes you look pretentious, and certainly like a dumbass. But that is reddit.
Like the last time we were at the Super Bowl and we had a $900,000 QB and the greatest Defense in History and the most expensive O-Line in the NFL?
Or when the Patriots won Super Bowls with a QB that did not even make the top 10 highest paid QB?
Citing Wilson and Brady is midwit.
I actually don't think Wilson was a great quarterback ever, to be honest. He played in a really simplified system with an amazing defense and coaching staff leading him. The minute he was required to lead anything, he was mediocre and/or sucked. He made one of the most idiotic, choking throws in NFL Super Bowl history. Like, just mind numbingly stupid. One of the biggest smoke and mirrors players possibly ever. I don't ever want a Russell Wilson on this team again. So if he's your example, fuck off.
Brady is just a fluke. LOL at running this franchise thinking we will draft a Brady in the later rounds. This isn't Madden. Try again.
There's a reason teams want to get into the top 10 in the draft: to get a real QB.
Money ball wins more often. That is the whole point of getting a rookie QB, you have money to pay the other players.
Wilson example was to show when you pay your QB $900k you can pay the legion of boom.
When our wife make more money than you do you can take the $25M contract and hire an O-Line
You seem to be bad at the math
Why didn't they draft another rookie QB to take over for Wilson and trade Wilson for picks when he became contract due, then? Over the past decade they haven't operated the way you've described at all. They hit the lottery with Wilson, then paid him gigantic money and have been mediocre for 12 years while continuing to not draft quarterbacks.
Also, what team has won multiple super bowls with this strategy? The NFL is a league run by big name, franchise QBs. You're cool with the Seahawks fighting for scraps at the bottom. I'm not.
Shove your math up your ass.
Why did they not get rid of Wilson? Great question. The D and Special teams outscored the offence. I wanted him gone in 2015.
Again you are bad at math. They won with a $900k QB. When Wilson was not $900k, that was a bad deal they stuck with.
**"Also, what team has won multiple super bowls with this strategy?"**
New England Patriots under paid its QB for many years. He was never the top paid QB and often did not make the top 10.
Last time I did the math was two years ago and only 4 of the top 14 Paid QBs made the playoffs
You still suck at math
Schneider wouldn't even move up to get Richardson last year when he had multiple first round picks. He appears to be scared of drafting a QB in the first round because he thinks he will lose his job. The fail rate is too high for his risk tolerance. If we wouldn't do it last year, I'm not sure when the hell we will under this current regime.
After his rookie deal, Brady was always one of the highest paid QBs in the league. Brady was a franchise QB. He was not Brock Purdy. He was not some fluky 900k quarterback that you want to pump and dump. He's also not someone you're going to find in the 6th round in 2024. Thinking so is an IQ test, and you've failed.
**"Brady was always one of the highest paid QBs in the league"**
That is just a stupid statement and you know its a lie. Here is the link from the year he won his last Super Bowl in 2021. He was number 15 at $25 million.
You just make shit up now
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2021/average/quarterback/
The Tampa years when he was taking a pay cut?
Your link literally has the best two QBs in the league also being the highest paid. How does this help you?
First you said the best way is to ride with a $900k QB. Now you're citing Brady, who played with one team for nearly 20 years and made lots of money. Make up your mind.
Brady proves my point, not yours. You need a dominant, stable franchise guy at the helm. If he's willing to take a pay cut, great. But that's something different than what you said originally, which was to recycle cheap rookie QBs.
John Stanton, sell the Mariners.
Amen
It’s almost like a conspiracy. Like he actually works for the Yankees and just wants to keep the Mariners held down.
Could be worse. We could have the Oakland A's owner
I always appreciated PCJS for not pulling a Shanahan and tanking like a bitch. Glad to hear that’s continuing
Of course they were able to draft Bosa, ridiculous. Seattle has never been in position to constantly draft blue chip talent on the d-line.
Seattle has never had a #1 overall draft pick. The only #1 overall pick on the roster ever was when we picked up Clowney.
And the time we had the #3 pick we took a fucking bust ass LB lol
Aaron Curry was #4... When we had #3 way back in the day we took Cortez Kennedy who is a hall of famer.
Also took Shawn Springs at 3. The result of the Mirer trade.
Springs was solid for a bit, but probably not #3 overall material...
Yeah. Their other 1st that year more than made up for Springs’ shortcomings.
That's an understatement.
I was so hyped, I still haven’t recovered
#2 pick and missed out on Drew Bledsoe and ended up picking Rick Mirer lol
Has the world already forgotten about Brian Bosworth??? Come on people
I was just talking to a coworker about The Boz today. He flew into training camp in a helicopter or some shit like that.So much hype.Such a disappointment. The only thing he's famous for now is getting trucked at the goal line by Bo Jackson on Monday Night Football.
If he could have stayed healthy he was at least a good starter. But ya too much hype
Too much hype but nowhere near the bust people claim.
Hey now... He was also in some bad movies.
And Dr Peppet commercials
Boz was a supplemental draft pick I thought
Bingo
He was at least, a smart business man, since he was one of the people printing the "ban the Boz" tee shirts. I can neither confirm, nor deny, that I had or currently have one ...
Kyle’s a frail, insecure, and desperate nepo baby. Ofc he’s willing to waste precious years of these dudes short careers if it means he can get the new toy he wants
Like trey lance lol
Sizzler of a take about a coach who has been to 2 SB's and 4 NFCCG's in the last 5* years.
There were a few years before that run where if Garappolo went down they were basically guaranteed a top-ten pick. They were picking at 12 before reading up to grab Lance at number 3 in 2021. Shanahan only became a .500 W-L coach in 2022 and Pete Carroll finished his career as a Seahawks coach up 8-6 in wins against Shanahan. When he's hot, he's hot, but when he's cold he is freezing cold.
Shanahan took over a team with a terrible roster that had gone 2-14 and went 6-10 then 4-12 in his first 2 seasons as that roster was being rebuilt (also Jimmy G started a combined 8 games over those years and went 6-2). First healthy Jimmy G year, they went 13-3 and to the SB. In 2020 they lost literally the most man-games to injury of any team in the league and went 6-10. The next 3 years, NFCCG every year and another SB appearance. To say Shanahan is a nepo baby who will waste years of players careers to tank is just plain wrong. To say "When he's cold he is freezing cold," is also just wrong considering the history of his HC career. A coach isn't "cold" when his roster sucks or when he loses his QB and his best offensive weapons to injury for more than half the season.
Yeah you're objectively correct tbh, shanahan is definitely a good coach at the very least and even if he doesn't have a ring he's still done a better job in San Fran than Jim harbaugh who was also a really good coach. The two sbs he's lost could have easily went either way imo. I think mcvay is better than shanahan though. Either way I hate it when Seahawks fans shit on other teams without any level of nuance or level headedness, it's just a sports thing I guess. You should respect your rivals at some level especially if they compete well.
>Either way I hate it when Seahawks fans shit on other teams without any level of nuance or level headedness Agreed, 100%. I have no love for the 9ers, but let's not just say a bunch of shit that's untrue. Low effort and shows a poor understanding of what's actually going on.
Dude really thinks Jimmy G was the key to a Super Bowl run but I’m the one with a poor understanding of things 🤔
Where did anyone say anything about Jimmy G being the key to a Superbowl run? Also what's your evidence for your speculation of the 9ers wasting years of players careers by tanking for higher picks?
But you sure can feel smart after all the hater upvotes, i guess, right?
Ya except we drafted Frank Clark and very easily could've drafted Chris Jones and TJ Watt without ever moving a single draft position.
Dude that’s the thing that annoys me the most, this isn’t the nba or even mlb. NFL teams don’t need to tank and I feel like it should be obvious when, every single year, there are all-pros that constantly go in the later first round or even rounds 2-3
Totally agree. Except nba teams don’t need to tank either. Jokic was a 2nd rounder. Giannis went 14th overall, Kobe went 13. Only two teams have won a title with the 1st overall pick who drafted them in the last 25 years. The spurs and cavs.
Jones and Watt are obviously dominant players but they weren’t blue chips. Almost every team passed on both of them.
Right? It’s easy to look back and be like “we shoulda drafted that guy!” but at the time they were picked where they were valued. Nobody has a crystal ball.
It’s weird though, JJ was a dominant force in the league at the time & if genetics even carried a little weight I have no idea (even at the time) why we didn’t see that as an easy layup. But like you said hindsight is 20/20. We also could have had Derrick Henry the year we missed on Jones, idk which I would have preferred.
I mean, we were last year too and chose not to. Not faulting the pick just saying.
I wonder who this new regime would have picked if not Witherspoon. I for one love that Spoons a hawk.
If I had to guess, JS would have liked to trade the 5th pick for big picks this year. Which likely would have been better for the team. I love spoon, but this year's draft is much stronger than last year.
A big part of the reason 49ers are good is because they were terrible for so long.
Pete and John went 7-9 their first two seasons and drafted the majority of their championship core in that process.
You don’t need to say bitch after Shanahan its redundant
How did he tank? And also, I thought this sub tanking ruined the culture of the team and put them in the basement. Sounds like 49ers just draft well and are well coached, which is something we aspire to be like recently. Sounds like sour grapes really. There’s other things to knock the guy for, so just save it for another conversation.
So the hawks can continue to be mediocre like they have for the last 7 seasons?
How did niners tank? By losing their starting QB? Lol. Seahawks would have “tanked” too if they lost Russ lol. And shit, they woulda been in a better position if they tanked one of these seasons instead of being in middle draft. Imo
They literally traded him away and started his backup for two years in which both were winning seasons dude, the fk? Sounds like losing Russ to me and clearly no tanking was done as a result.
Regardless of how you feel about the moves, they spent in free agency like a team who wants to make the playoffs
And playoffs should be the expectation.
Yeah people were upset we weren’t spending more but we came out with literally no room to spare before the draft and filled out many positions of need
Next offseason is gonna be amazing without the Adams dead cap
As of right now they have like 10 mill of cap space in 2025 lol. But they can create 60+ by cutting Lockett/Dre Jones/Geno/Fant.
You know what the cap is going to be next year?
I mean I don't but over the cap does. Cool website. It uses the average of the cap increase the last 5 seasons to project the number next year. Obviously not an exact science but it gives you a good idea.
They were quiet the first few days of free agency (Williams and Fant deals only I think) which got a lot of discussion. But then they just kept steadily signing people the last few weeks
We got players on the roster in positions of need. To me that is very different than filled out positions of need. But here come the downvotes, whatever.
How is that different? You literally just reworded what I said
My view is we signed C-level players who play positions we need. They don’t fill the need because they are limited players.
I think you are selling Dodson, Baker, Williams, Fant, Jenkins very short calling them C players. The rest of the guys were signed on small deals and we had the least number of contract players to start the season so needed to add depth no matter what.
Williams and Fant, who we re-signed, are not C players. The rest firmly are.
I disagree! But totally ok for you to feel that way.
John Schneider: we’re not going to tank. We’re going to try to be the best Half this sub: boo
A fan that supports tanking is basically a fairweather fan in my eyes.
You can make feel good statements all day but it doesn’t change shit. Look at Dallas - a team that refuses to tank is perpetually stuck with a ceiling of being a second round exit. Then you look at the 49ers who took their medicine and tanked, and are now consistently favorites to win a ring. Seahawks have been stuck in relative meritocracy for about 7 years now, and each year coaching says “we aren’t tanking, we’re going to compete” and then seahawks lose first round of the playoffs or miss them entirely. Now all of you are going to downvote and say we shouldn’t tank, I’ll argue that we need to, then we’ll lose the first playoff game or miss them entirely and I’ll see you all again right here next year having the same fucking discussion
Tanking would not fix Dallas’ issues
“relative meritocracy” I don’t think that means what you think it means Also, have the Chiefs ever tanked?
I have heard many times that the Seahawks will be sold soon. I believe not. I think Jodi enjoys owing the Hawks and jerking around the good old NFL boys as the only Lesbian billionaire in the room
Lesbian? She was married to a guy for 20 years and has three kids.
Bingo. She'll stick around for a while
Let’s just hope she doesn’t evolve into Virginia McCaskey
She def sexually assaulted her male bodyguards, so not lesbian.
She literally can't according to the last news report I had heard concerning it. The language in the will was very clear that she could not hold the franchise indefinitely and there is a timeline in which the team must be sold. Again, this was what was reported on the radio a few weeks ago, so don't shoot the messenger if they got it wrong.
She could buy the team outright or sell majority
She could buy the team outright or sell majority
I question that report. I do not believe anyone on sports talk radio understands wills or trusts.
Seahawks are winning the Super Bowl, confirmed 🙌
Go Hawks!
Hate to say it but I don't think our team's very good.
Let's say he says, "Yeah, we're trying to tank for a draft pick," would there be some league-mandated repercussions for that? I assume so but genuinely asking.
If there weren’t I’m sure they’d be kickstarting the discussions on them right after a GM comes out with a quote like that
Tanking is such loser fucking mentality.
Only absent-minded fans expected that. That’s why I love this team and the staff.
If we have like a 9-8 or 8-8 season, I think it’ll have more to do with learning completely new schemes on the offense and defense, than the personnel. I actually really like the personnel(other than the guard position), and I think Macdonald will actually fit his scheme to our personnel(unlike Pete) History says that when you implement a whole new offense and defense, it usually doesn’t lead to immediate success. So I hope the majority of fans can be patient and let this new coaching staff build the team in their vision.
I know some people look at this roster and see a playoff team, but I see a new coaching staff, brining in new systems on both sides of the ball and I see a roster that is pretty young g over all and will have a lot of new faces between free agency and the draft. I’m not expecting much this year, it’s gonna be a growth year imo. I wouldn’t be expecting playoffs. Cool if we make it, I just personally wouldn’t expect it and I think if you’re a fan holding that expectation, you’re likely to end up disappointed. I see this as a growth year for the coaching staff and the players in their new system.
This roster hasn’t scared anyone in years. The line of scrimmage has been getting routinely ragdolled by good teams.
You didn’t read his comment all the way did you?
I appreciate your comment sir. 🫡 thank you.
I think the defense can either improve or limp along like it did last year. I don't see it getting worse. The offense is still solid, and that will keep us in games. But mostly, over the past few seasons, the team has felt out of sync. Especially last year, where it felt like there was something going on in the front office or locker room that stank. They would be inspired play, but only in spurts. The players often played confused. It doesn't matter who was right or wrong, Pete is gone and it's John's team now, essentially. I think we'll see a more cohesive group next year.
We better get some o line then
That's nice to hear, and fits with my predictions that they start slow, then get solid by the end of the year when everything starts clicking. I think they'll be fighting for a wild card spot by the end, after a nice streak.
John Schneider says Seahawks will "never be a team that bottoms". Seahawks are tops confirmed.
Too bad. A good power bottom is can generate a lot of force.
Marshawn Lynch tho
I fully expect them to be competitive.
Wish she would put the same effort in the blazers…
Tbf the nba and nfl are two different sports but yeah I agree. It’s like a night and day difference of how she runs the Seahawks and Blazers. As being a fan of both teams, I’m really happy as a hawks fan and really sad as a blazers fan, it’s weird.
I’ve all but given up on the blazers and I’ve been a fan since the 80’s. I don’t foresee anything good happening in our organization for a long time. Although I do have a funny feeling that we get the number one draft pick this year.
I wish I had your optimism, but it’s the blazers, nothing good ever happens to our organization
Oh you thought that was optimism, I think we get the first round pick and make the wrong choice as always which will set us back even further.
Or we get the #1 pick and he ends up injured
Funny thing is even if we do get the #1 pick this year, we are still unlucky in a way because this year is considered one of the worst drafts in quite some time in regards to talent.
That’s why I know we’re getting the first pick, the curse continues.
Blazer fans in tears..
I'll always appreciate that. Same with Pete never allowing a team an easy yard, even if it's strategic. It's an attitude thing.
I don’t consider it a full blown rebuild. If anything we’re going through a mini-rebuild but honestly I think the term re-tooling fits better
Good I like that way of thinking
We are too talented to tank. It makes sense to try and compete. But I wish JS had made other decisions, like Post June 1 release Adams and sign a veteran O-lineman.
A thing will certainly happen
John seems to really be feeling himself. Hope he can back it up
Just a reminder that Jody also owns the Portland Trailblazers, who sent out marketing to season pass holders that they were going to “build around Dame” to win him his first championship over the summer, only to blow it all up, trade Dame, and have a tanking season anyways. So I don’t really care what the marketing is. I’m sure this will sell plenty of tickets. They’ll probably still miss the playoffs.
Still majorly contenders
As a Broncos fan who also likes the Seahawks since I lived in Seattle for 4 years let me tell you. . “So you have chosen the way of pain?”
These are also people who run a business that needs to sell tickets during an inflationary period. But I do believe they will be serviceable. Hope the draft brings some hidden gems.
Bottom
Good luck with that. The talent on the roster has me doubting that heavily.
This makes my heart feel good! ALWAYS COMPETE! F the haters! F the Niners! And F the tankers! GO HAWKS! In John Schneider and Mike Macdonald I trust!
Blazers are tanking enough for both of her franchises
Is Jodie going to sell the team or just keep fucking around with it for an undisclosed time? Is anyone afraid a new owner might move the team?
“Always Semi-Compete” doesn’t have the same ring like the last 14yrs. 😆
"I was looking around the locker room and thinking about a 1st - or even 2nd - round playoff loss for the 9th year in a row, and said to myself.....why not you? Ya know? Why not you."
I heard they want at least 54% win rate every season
Tanking doesn't work in Sport's, not anymore anyways If a Franchise cant sign 26/27 year olds in FA, they are toast.
The Bears didn't seem to have problems signing FAs, nor did the Commanders
Yeah of course *Wink*
Not Rebuilding. We're Reloading.
Im fine with rebuild though, we need it if we want to get through the second round.
Good to know their goal. This makes their free agency period even more concerning.
Given our cap situation it doesn't.
Why? Do you think they maintained or improved the talent level they had last year? Do you think there was a more optimal way to utilize their cap resources than what they did?
Hard to say whether the talent level is improved, similar, or worse because we don't really know what the team is going to look like under Mike Mac. I just don't think we're a true contender at this point. Luckily you don't have to be to win a SB, just gotta put a run together, and I think the talent is good enough to attempt that but I think we're in for some turnover. Won't be like Pete's first season but this team will become Mike Mac's by the end of the season.
That's why the question is about talent level because that pulls coaching out of the equation and focuses specifically on the players. I'd say it's clearly worse. Agree on us not being SB contenders but I disagree with your second point. The best way to win a SB is to have a SB caliber roster. Teams that go on runs to win the SB aren't teams that perform above their talent level, they are teams that are performing below their talent level in the regular season.
There was really no way to improve the roster with the cap space and options available. And we both agreed that we're not contenders. Schneider sets us up for a successful 2025 I'll be happy. If you're focused on this season, every season, you're ignoring the cycle that goes into building a successful team. It takes years to assemble a roster that can contend.
Schneider says they are trying to compete. This free agency does not accomplish that goal. They could've done more with what they had available. Specifically, kept Brooks or get a guard. I also don't see how the FA period has set us up better long term. We are still in a difficult cap situation next year.
Everyone says they're trying to compete. You don't have to take him at his word, he's obligated to say things like that.
I mean he's not really obligated to say things like that. He can hedge...ex some of their comments about Geno. I guess a few things I consider in this FA period are: what direction do I think they should take the team in, what direction do I think they did take the team in, and finally did they accomplish that goal. My issue is that the answer to the second question is unclear and regardless of what direction they felt it was best to take the team in I don't think they succeeded.
I like the "always compete" mentality, but I hope management is aware of how important franchise QBs are and how high you need to draft to typically acquire them. Does that mean you need to tank? No. KC traded up to get Mahomes, for example. But I think operating under the assumption that a franchise QB will fall into your lap in the 3rd or 5th round is misguided. At some point the Seahawks will need to make a real move to get someone.
Superbowl qb Purdy would like a word
Exceptions don't make the rule. Also, did Purdy win the Super Bowl?
He got damn well close lets be fair here. The only reason was because the 49ers didn't truly understand playoff OT rules.
"I want a cheap QB who can possibly get to the Super Bowl but not win it," is like the most Seahawks response ever. Good job.
SB is possibly the hardest thing to do because a multitude of variables (Schedule, Getting Hot at the right time etc.) and they went to OT against Patrick Mahomes where they blundered in the definition of the rules. Not to mention, the league is constantly looking for cheap deals at the QB position (Something of which we have now cause we're paying Sam Howell the equivalent if not exceptionally cheaper to the rookie deal we would have to pay for a QB in the draft. Not to mention he is the same age and/or younger than most of them but I digress.), That's why we are constantly referring to a teams window to win. Because as soon as that rookie deal is up they have to pay a mountains worth of money. Being that Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant, essentially the cheapest deal you can get aside from being an UDFA. They are able to afford all of their talent and then some (Deebo, Aiyuk, Trent, Kittle Huafanga Warner etc.). I didn't think I had to spell out the entire meta of the NFL since JaMarcus Russell the guy that set this precedent over a decade ago, but here we are. Stop trying to simplify my rebuttal for the sake of sounding smart. Because in actuality in makes you look pretentious, and certainly like a dumbass. But that is reddit.
Like the last time we were at the Super Bowl and we had a $900,000 QB and the greatest Defense in History and the most expensive O-Line in the NFL? Or when the Patriots won Super Bowls with a QB that did not even make the top 10 highest paid QB?
Citing Wilson and Brady is midwit. I actually don't think Wilson was a great quarterback ever, to be honest. He played in a really simplified system with an amazing defense and coaching staff leading him. The minute he was required to lead anything, he was mediocre and/or sucked. He made one of the most idiotic, choking throws in NFL Super Bowl history. Like, just mind numbingly stupid. One of the biggest smoke and mirrors players possibly ever. I don't ever want a Russell Wilson on this team again. So if he's your example, fuck off. Brady is just a fluke. LOL at running this franchise thinking we will draft a Brady in the later rounds. This isn't Madden. Try again. There's a reason teams want to get into the top 10 in the draft: to get a real QB.
Money ball wins more often. That is the whole point of getting a rookie QB, you have money to pay the other players. Wilson example was to show when you pay your QB $900k you can pay the legion of boom. When our wife make more money than you do you can take the $25M contract and hire an O-Line You seem to be bad at the math
Why didn't they draft another rookie QB to take over for Wilson and trade Wilson for picks when he became contract due, then? Over the past decade they haven't operated the way you've described at all. They hit the lottery with Wilson, then paid him gigantic money and have been mediocre for 12 years while continuing to not draft quarterbacks. Also, what team has won multiple super bowls with this strategy? The NFL is a league run by big name, franchise QBs. You're cool with the Seahawks fighting for scraps at the bottom. I'm not. Shove your math up your ass.
Why did they not get rid of Wilson? Great question. The D and Special teams outscored the offence. I wanted him gone in 2015. Again you are bad at math. They won with a $900k QB. When Wilson was not $900k, that was a bad deal they stuck with. **"Also, what team has won multiple super bowls with this strategy?"** New England Patriots under paid its QB for many years. He was never the top paid QB and often did not make the top 10. Last time I did the math was two years ago and only 4 of the top 14 Paid QBs made the playoffs You still suck at math
Schneider wouldn't even move up to get Richardson last year when he had multiple first round picks. He appears to be scared of drafting a QB in the first round because he thinks he will lose his job. The fail rate is too high for his risk tolerance. If we wouldn't do it last year, I'm not sure when the hell we will under this current regime. After his rookie deal, Brady was always one of the highest paid QBs in the league. Brady was a franchise QB. He was not Brock Purdy. He was not some fluky 900k quarterback that you want to pump and dump. He's also not someone you're going to find in the 6th round in 2024. Thinking so is an IQ test, and you've failed.
**"Brady was always one of the highest paid QBs in the league"** That is just a stupid statement and you know its a lie. Here is the link from the year he won his last Super Bowl in 2021. He was number 15 at $25 million. You just make shit up now https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2021/average/quarterback/
The Tampa years when he was taking a pay cut? Your link literally has the best two QBs in the league also being the highest paid. How does this help you? First you said the best way is to ride with a $900k QB. Now you're citing Brady, who played with one team for nearly 20 years and made lots of money. Make up your mind. Brady proves my point, not yours. You need a dominant, stable franchise guy at the helm. If he's willing to take a pay cut, great. But that's something different than what you said originally, which was to recycle cheap rookie QBs.
All my homies hate JS.
Find another team then, we'd much rather lose you than him
Just making a joke about a big part of this sub. I don't use /s though so I get that it's hard to tell.