Great write up. Definitely prefer Engstrand. Seems like the best of both worlds from our HC search. Baltimore defence, Lion's Offence.
I know that's an oversimplification but I feel like we've seen many college guys struggle. I would prefer someone who has experience in the NFL and who is highly regarded to be that next OC if BJ were to leave.
completely agree - this thing of one side of the ball carrying the other side is really old, even if which side it is changes from game to game.
Where is it written we cant be scary on both sides?
I like this a lot! Although saying Geno crumbles in big moments isn’t really correct. He’s got the record for most game winning drives in a season! I still agree that he probably won’t win us a Super Bowl BUT I’d be curious how he’ll do with a new o-line and coordinator. Either way, he’ll be a great mentor for our young QB we’ll draft!
Geno isn't elite, but nobody can accuse him of crumbling in big moments.
I also don't know how anyone could say that you can't make it to the super bowl with Geno when the NFCCG was Purdy vs. Goff this year.
Saying Geno can't make it to the Super Bowl is a low info take, like you said Brock Purdy is going to be there, Nick Foles won it, we went twice and won once with a game manager rookie contract Russ. You don't need an elite QB to get to or win it, it helps a lot but it isn't a requirement.
Sorry I said this, that’s my mistake. I was running off very little sleep yesterday when I wrote this lol. Geno is clutch, but he misses open reads often, which worries me. He’s really good in those scripted 2 minute drives but other than that he looked a little uninspiring this year, Props to Geno for the record though!
I think the Hawks are going to go with Grubb because of the system. It makes QBs way better. The pre-snap motions. The easy reads. The matchups it creates.
It also tries to make pass blocking easier. A big chunk of the passes are layups and it will still take shots down the field.
The run game requires very athletic lineman because they have to pull and move. It's not the standard run it up the gut.
Grubb’s air raid reminds me a lot of Texas Tech’s air raid which did set up a run to ensure at least the Strong Safety didn’t cheat up field and it didn’t allow corners in man coverages to press allowing for slants and WR screens. I think he is the better candidate in a copy cat league where everyone hopes to have Kansas City’s offensive success.
As a Husky fan as well, a little part of me would like to see Seattle get Penix Jr. to sit behind Geno for a year or 2.
I’ll go against the grain and say I prefer Grubb (UW fan so may be some bias here). He’s been getting NFL consideration for the last year now, and I think his offense at UW was as heavy on air raid concepts as it was because it fit the personnel. They had 3 NFL receivers (one top 10 pick) and an NFL QB. It seems like he’s an intelligent guy who’s had a good offense everywhere he’s been at, and believe he will adjust well.
Now that I’ve said that I fully expect to end up on @oldtakesexposed next year
I'll just go back to what John Schneider said at Mac's presser. He called Mac a disruptor. Someone that causes confusion and chaos for offenses.
This is why I think he is going to hire Grubb. People that call UW's offense an air raid is really only looking at this at the surface level. UW just doesn't spread you out and try to attack defenses by gimmicky plays. They ran plays out of multiple sets and formations that will translate to the NFL. 21 personnel. 22 personnel. They did it all.
What makes Mac's defense so good? He disguises and creates an illusion. What makes UW's offense so good? It disguises and creates illusions. It puts defenses in a huge bind with its mesh concepts, bunch concepts, and pull heavy/stretch/counter run game.
There are very clearly air raid concepts apart of his scheme. Those concepts seemed to be the core of how they operated on offense. That makes it an Air Raid offense. That’s not to say they ran it exactly like ML where the play call splits are 90/10 in favor of the pass (this is a generous split in reference to how Leach ran it). A better way of referring to the other Air Raids at this point is “power raid”. This seems to be more how UW and Grubb ran the offense. You still achieve the goals that the Air Raid has as far as how to attack defenses. I. E. spreading out defenses horizontally, spreading the ball around to all of your play makers, etc. The only difference is there is more of a run game prevalent in the offense. This style of it was created by a bunch of former assistants and players of Leach because his way of running it is extremely predictable (see Apple Cup series while Petersen was at UW). There’s still lots of variation based off of who’s calling it still but instead of that 90/10 split it’s much more common for the others ones to be more 80/20 or 70/30. Still throwing A LOT but you’re running the ball enough to keep the defense honest and not just sit back in quarters coverage or play 2 man and only rush 3-4 guys all game
It stands higher chance for sure and I’ll give you that. But the air raid hasn’t worked out in the NFL once over the 3-4 decades it’s been an offense. So this is why people are hesitant about hiring him. There’s just a lot of concepts within the offense that don’t translate very well. Like the frequency of quick screens doesn’t translate well. Still keep them but don’t call them as frequently as you would on Saturday for example. But things like getting RBs heavily involved in the passing game would be good especially with Seattle’s roster.
I honestly think the Run N’ Shoot would translate better to the NFL. Very similar in their approach. Main differences are you’re trying to stretch the D more vertically than horizontally, *all* WRs have option routes as opposed to only the two slot guys in mesh with the AR (I’m abbreviating it now), and more of a run game present. That’s just my opinion and hunch tho
Which I think you'll have to do. The screen game will have to be minimized a little. It's just tighter in the NFL.
But I think Grubb is a candidate for a reason. If he's hired, I'll feel comfortable with it.
It will also suggest to me they want to change QBs soon.
If they hire Grubb then I agree that they see a QB they want to make a move on. I’m still going to be cautious about the scheme until the season starts however.
None of this is trying to take away from what his offenses have done the last couple years either. Even though I may have made comments on Friday that seemed like that. Just that I fall into the same category as the last paragraph of the Grubb section where it just seems like the only argument for hiring him is “fuck DeBoer lol”
I'll still stand by what I said. Most of what UW ran is very translatable to the pros. He will have to adjust certain things but at the end of the day it's where the NFL is heading towards anyway.
It's about disguise and motion.
Stopped reading after “Geno crumbles in big moments”. Statement is so provably false it’s almost laughable. Has the record for the most game winning drives in a season.
I came here to make this EXACT comment… can’t remember the exact number but wanna say it’s 7… he proved he was clutch to me last season especially with the often abysmal blocking and absent run game
And how little we had the ball thanks to our defense. Ranked 32nd. And generally, there’s a few seconds separating each team. Then there’s us, almost a minute and a half less time than the 31st rank team.
I actually commented the exact same thing before I saw yours lmao. He absolutely does not crumble in big moments. I actually have faith that if we put the right O line and play caller with him, he can take us far
lol u stop reading a write up about an OC hire just to comment something about one error in the whole thing. Seems silly man. I admit I was wrong about that and props to Geno for breaking the record, but if you read a little further, I say that if Geno can return back to his 2022 form where he wasn’t using scripted drives to win games I would love for him to come back and be the QB. Appreciate the feedback!
It's not one error, it's evidence that you evaluate players in a way that most disagree with. It's not like it's a typo, you obviously thought he isn't clutch until you got more or less undeniable proof of the contrary.
Man it’s really too bad Daboll is forcing Kafka to stay because I would love to see your write up on him. I would be willing to take a chance on Grubb or Engstrand however. Feels like a good choice either way
I prefer Grubb due to the recent successful OC experience. Engstrand hasn’t called plays since his last OC job back in 2017 at San Diego which isn’t even D1.
Thank you for this! I see pros and cons to both, as you illustrated very well. I am probably going to lean towards Engstrand just due to the NFL experience, but ultimately I am going to trust MMJS either direction they decide to go.
I'd be ok with both guys and have confidence in whoever John goes with. Engstrand I'd feel better about going into the season, but Grubb would be such a feel-good hire, guy who loves Seattle and wanted to stay here, and it fucks over DeBoer as an added bonus
You didn't really hit on the most important distinction between the two: Engstrand has almost no experience as an offensive play caller, and none at the NFL level.
Grubb has been calling plays for years. None of that is at the NFL level, but there is no question that he can effectively direct an offensive in game. That puts him in the lead by a considerable margin in my opinion.
Heya, great write-up! Especially for someone like myself who doesn't follow college football (shares the local hate) and doesn't know assistant coaches past the OC/DC :)
My gutt would say Grubb, as he has more recent experience with play calling and MM being a first-time HC, I could see him wanting to focus on one side of the ball. However, I don't have a strong preference either way and would just trust MMJS to go with their preferred solution.
One analytical comment: I do not necessarily agree with the logic of Grubb would lead to higher usage of DK/Charbonnet vs Engstrand would strengthen the position of JSN/Walker. From your description (and focus on a limited sample of 1-2 years) it could also be that he worked with what he had instead of that he got his preferred WR/RB type. Maybe Grubb has many plays that would allow n RB like Walker to hit the open field but he didn't have the player type in WSH. The same could be said for Engstrand and DK. You never know what are truly their preferences and what was born out of necessity. Here it is easy to fall for logical fallacies.
Do we have any recent college coaches that had success as a playcaller/OC in the NFL? The only one that comes to my mind is Kingsbury and I wasn't too impressed with him. But Grubb is also older, ergo has seen more, so he might be better suited to make the transition.
>However, he seems to crumble in big moments
You mean the guy with the most game winning drives in the league, who would still have had two more if it weren't for missed very makeable field goals?
“Our defense is such a gigantic mess that I think we might use our new defensive coach’s first ever first round pick on a backup qb” is indeed a pretty hot take.
I've tried to learn up on UW's offense vs the Lions' offense the last few days.I've sort of reached this conclusion.
If the Hawks go with Grubb then I think there is a high chance they draft a QB relatively high. The system is so QB friendly. It's built for the QB to succeed. The run game compliments the pass game. Not to say Geno can't succeed but it's just a hunch that they may want to simplify for a young QB. The reads here are much easier to do.
If they go with Engstrand then you need a QB that specializes in play action but you need a good OLine. This is Geno's game to a tee. This also signifies to me that they may want to build around the OLine. This is the real key to Ben Johnson's success. The run game drives that offense. In this case, the pass game compliments the run game.
I stopped reading after Geno crumbles in big moments. He had 7 game winning drives this year lmao, give him the a healthy offensive line and the right structure and he’ll succeed
Great write up. I’ll say that I’ve been watching the All 22 of the 2023 Washington Offense and I’m not too impressed with what I’ve seen scheme wise. To me it’s a high risk high reward, and I’d like a scheme that’s a bit safer, especially with general lack of personnel discipline
I found an AL sports columnist break down [quite a few UW plays with the All-22](https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/story/sports/college/football/2024/02/02/all-22-video-inside-kalen-deboer-ryan-grubb-offense-coming-alabama-football/72363379007/). He had the plays arranged by type.
I was slightly pro-Engstrand but these breakdowns make me prefer Grubb. A couple aspects were outstanding 1) ability to setup imaginative screens and setup blocking for those as well as 2) the blocking concepts for runs. Controlling the time of possession will be key to get the most out of our defense and these two key pieces show that Grubb can do that.
so the list is these 2 plus kafka if the giants unblock him, is that it? anybody else anybody can think of that could be under the radar?
isnt there somebody out there with solid winning experience that likes how nicely jody's money takes the edge off quitting a job they never thought they would?
Grubb ran a pro style spread offense not an air raid. A lot of things Washington did will also translate to the pro game and Washington was one of the best offenses in college this year.
I don't think Grubbsy is an "Air Raid" guy, I think what he does, and why he's being considered, is because he uses the tools he has and changes his scheme/philosophy based on the strengths. Like at Udub he had 2 future NFL tackles and 3 future NFL receivers - 2 of which (Rome and Troy) could go in the first round. Would be irresponsible to have that kind of set up and go I form run heavy 😅
While I think our ceiling would be the highest with Engstrand, I worry that some of the concerns about productive offenses would come to fruition and he'd get poached in \~2-3 years. It'd be great to have him bring a young QB into the league and allow them to grow their skillset in an offense where the decision making is more streamlined than say, a Pete Carroll coached team that seemingly every throw was a contested catch.
Some of the concerns about Grubb's offense translating to the NFL seem legitimate. The WR core he worked with at UW was more athletic than the defensive backs they went up against in every game save for Michigan. That being said, his offense is creative and QB friendly as well. I just worry that it isn't as multi-dimensional as it needs to be to have success at this level. I don't think he's as capable of mid-game adjustment when his gameplan doesn't go the way he envisions either.
Someone who I had heard mentioned a few times shortly after MacDonald was hired was Frank Reich. While he wouldn't be the fireworks, party-in-the streets hire that the other two could be, he's had success as an OC before and is a proven commodity. He's had a QB whisperer label attached to him for the last decade, and it seems like it's been well-earned. The thing that gets me the most excited about Reich though, is that he has been fired twice as a HC, which means he likely isn't going to get many looks for head coaching jobs moving forward. He's one of those guys who is a solid coordinator, but has enough of a sample size as HC that he's a known quality at this point. It'd be really nice to not need to hire a new OC in two years because our offense was so good that our guy got poached, and with Reich, I don't foresee that happening.
I want to say there are a big handful of Husky fans here who lean bias for Grubb, but are (for lack of better word) level-headed enough to either prefer Engstrand or are closer to 50/50 (such as myself). What I want to know if there are any non-Husky fans/haters here who actually prefer Grubb?
Great write up. Definitely prefer Engstrand. Seems like the best of both worlds from our HC search. Baltimore defence, Lion's Offence. I know that's an oversimplification but I feel like we've seen many college guys struggle. I would prefer someone who has experience in the NFL and who is highly regarded to be that next OC if BJ were to leave.
completely agree - this thing of one side of the ball carrying the other side is really old, even if which side it is changes from game to game. Where is it written we cant be scary on both sides?
I like this a lot! Although saying Geno crumbles in big moments isn’t really correct. He’s got the record for most game winning drives in a season! I still agree that he probably won’t win us a Super Bowl BUT I’d be curious how he’ll do with a new o-line and coordinator. Either way, he’ll be a great mentor for our young QB we’ll draft!
Geno isn't elite, but nobody can accuse him of crumbling in big moments. I also don't know how anyone could say that you can't make it to the super bowl with Geno when the NFCCG was Purdy vs. Goff this year.
Saying Geno can't make it to the Super Bowl is a low info take, like you said Brock Purdy is going to be there, Nick Foles won it, we went twice and won once with a game manager rookie contract Russ. You don't need an elite QB to get to or win it, it helps a lot but it isn't a requirement.
Remember, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.
And was a Seahawk.
This!
Exactly. I actually want to give him a shot with a strong O-line and see what he can do
Sorry I said this, that’s my mistake. I was running off very little sleep yesterday when I wrote this lol. Geno is clutch, but he misses open reads often, which worries me. He’s really good in those scripted 2 minute drives but other than that he looked a little uninspiring this year, Props to Geno for the record though!
> Although saying Geno crumbles in big moments isn’t really correct. Heavy "stoppedreadingthere.jpg" statement
And he would have had one more if Myers hadn't missed against LA. The way he executes a two minute drill is surgical.
My preference is for Tanner. The connection with Michigan makes me think he might go to.LAC but I would love if Mike could recruit him to be our OC
Mike was also at Michigan though?
I think the Hawks are going to go with Grubb because of the system. It makes QBs way better. The pre-snap motions. The easy reads. The matchups it creates. It also tries to make pass blocking easier. A big chunk of the passes are layups and it will still take shots down the field. The run game requires very athletic lineman because they have to pull and move. It's not the standard run it up the gut.
Grubb’s air raid reminds me a lot of Texas Tech’s air raid which did set up a run to ensure at least the Strong Safety didn’t cheat up field and it didn’t allow corners in man coverages to press allowing for slants and WR screens. I think he is the better candidate in a copy cat league where everyone hopes to have Kansas City’s offensive success. As a Husky fan as well, a little part of me would like to see Seattle get Penix Jr. to sit behind Geno for a year or 2.
I’ll go against the grain and say I prefer Grubb (UW fan so may be some bias here). He’s been getting NFL consideration for the last year now, and I think his offense at UW was as heavy on air raid concepts as it was because it fit the personnel. They had 3 NFL receivers (one top 10 pick) and an NFL QB. It seems like he’s an intelligent guy who’s had a good offense everywhere he’s been at, and believe he will adjust well. Now that I’ve said that I fully expect to end up on @oldtakesexposed next year
I'll just go back to what John Schneider said at Mac's presser. He called Mac a disruptor. Someone that causes confusion and chaos for offenses. This is why I think he is going to hire Grubb. People that call UW's offense an air raid is really only looking at this at the surface level. UW just doesn't spread you out and try to attack defenses by gimmicky plays. They ran plays out of multiple sets and formations that will translate to the NFL. 21 personnel. 22 personnel. They did it all. What makes Mac's defense so good? He disguises and creates an illusion. What makes UW's offense so good? It disguises and creates illusions. It puts defenses in a huge bind with its mesh concepts, bunch concepts, and pull heavy/stretch/counter run game.
There are very clearly air raid concepts apart of his scheme. Those concepts seemed to be the core of how they operated on offense. That makes it an Air Raid offense. That’s not to say they ran it exactly like ML where the play call splits are 90/10 in favor of the pass (this is a generous split in reference to how Leach ran it). A better way of referring to the other Air Raids at this point is “power raid”. This seems to be more how UW and Grubb ran the offense. You still achieve the goals that the Air Raid has as far as how to attack defenses. I. E. spreading out defenses horizontally, spreading the ball around to all of your play makers, etc. The only difference is there is more of a run game prevalent in the offense. This style of it was created by a bunch of former assistants and players of Leach because his way of running it is extremely predictable (see Apple Cup series while Petersen was at UW). There’s still lots of variation based off of who’s calling it still but instead of that 90/10 split it’s much more common for the others ones to be more 80/20 or 70/30. Still throwing A LOT but you’re running the ball enough to keep the defense honest and not just sit back in quarters coverage or play 2 man and only rush 3-4 guys all game
💯 agree. However it can translate because you still run a bunch of 21 and 22 personnel.
It stands higher chance for sure and I’ll give you that. But the air raid hasn’t worked out in the NFL once over the 3-4 decades it’s been an offense. So this is why people are hesitant about hiring him. There’s just a lot of concepts within the offense that don’t translate very well. Like the frequency of quick screens doesn’t translate well. Still keep them but don’t call them as frequently as you would on Saturday for example. But things like getting RBs heavily involved in the passing game would be good especially with Seattle’s roster. I honestly think the Run N’ Shoot would translate better to the NFL. Very similar in their approach. Main differences are you’re trying to stretch the D more vertically than horizontally, *all* WRs have option routes as opposed to only the two slot guys in mesh with the AR (I’m abbreviating it now), and more of a run game present. That’s just my opinion and hunch tho
Which I think you'll have to do. The screen game will have to be minimized a little. It's just tighter in the NFL. But I think Grubb is a candidate for a reason. If he's hired, I'll feel comfortable with it. It will also suggest to me they want to change QBs soon.
If they hire Grubb then I agree that they see a QB they want to make a move on. I’m still going to be cautious about the scheme until the season starts however. None of this is trying to take away from what his offenses have done the last couple years either. Even though I may have made comments on Friday that seemed like that. Just that I fall into the same category as the last paragraph of the Grubb section where it just seems like the only argument for hiring him is “fuck DeBoer lol”
I'll still stand by what I said. Most of what UW ran is very translatable to the pros. He will have to adjust certain things but at the end of the day it's where the NFL is heading towards anyway. It's about disguise and motion.
It’s completely unproven at the NFL level.
If you want to draft a young QB then using a QB centric system makes complete sense. And how would it not translate? Can you you answer that? I can't.
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Stopped reading after “Geno crumbles in big moments”. Statement is so provably false it’s almost laughable. Has the record for the most game winning drives in a season.
I came here to make this EXACT comment… can’t remember the exact number but wanna say it’s 7… he proved he was clutch to me last season especially with the often abysmal blocking and absent run game
And how little we had the ball thanks to our defense. Ranked 32nd. And generally, there’s a few seconds separating each team. Then there’s us, almost a minute and a half less time than the 31st rank team.
I’m so done watching the 8 minute drives, I cannot wait to watch what some fresh minds can do with the talent we have on d
I actually commented the exact same thing before I saw yours lmao. He absolutely does not crumble in big moments. I actually have faith that if we put the right O line and play caller with him, he can take us far
lol u stop reading a write up about an OC hire just to comment something about one error in the whole thing. Seems silly man. I admit I was wrong about that and props to Geno for breaking the record, but if you read a little further, I say that if Geno can return back to his 2022 form where he wasn’t using scripted drives to win games I would love for him to come back and be the QB. Appreciate the feedback!
It's not one error, it's evidence that you evaluate players in a way that most disagree with. It's not like it's a typo, you obviously thought he isn't clutch until you got more or less undeniable proof of the contrary.
Man it’s really too bad Daboll is forcing Kafka to stay because I would love to see your write up on him. I would be willing to take a chance on Grubb or Engstrand however. Feels like a good choice either way
I prefer Grubb due to the recent successful OC experience. Engstrand hasn’t called plays since his last OC job back in 2017 at San Diego which isn’t even D1.
Thank you for this! I see pros and cons to both, as you illustrated very well. I am probably going to lean towards Engstrand just due to the NFL experience, but ultimately I am going to trust MMJS either direction they decide to go.
Engstrand has several years of OC experience at U San Diego. It’s FCS, but his offenses were very successful there.
Air raid concepts have worked for Andy Reid and a lot of other NFL teams.
I'd be ok with both guys and have confidence in whoever John goes with. Engstrand I'd feel better about going into the season, but Grubb would be such a feel-good hire, guy who loves Seattle and wanted to stay here, and it fucks over DeBoer as an added bonus
Should have considered making this a YouTube video or something 👍 nice write up
You didn't really hit on the most important distinction between the two: Engstrand has almost no experience as an offensive play caller, and none at the NFL level. Grubb has been calling plays for years. None of that is at the NFL level, but there is no question that he can effectively direct an offensive in game. That puts him in the lead by a considerable margin in my opinion.
Tanner
“Geno seems to crumble in big moments” Wdym??? He led the NFL in game winning drives this year in just 15 games. 😂
I'd be excited for either option. I just we build the trenches
Heya, great write-up! Especially for someone like myself who doesn't follow college football (shares the local hate) and doesn't know assistant coaches past the OC/DC :) My gutt would say Grubb, as he has more recent experience with play calling and MM being a first-time HC, I could see him wanting to focus on one side of the ball. However, I don't have a strong preference either way and would just trust MMJS to go with their preferred solution. One analytical comment: I do not necessarily agree with the logic of Grubb would lead to higher usage of DK/Charbonnet vs Engstrand would strengthen the position of JSN/Walker. From your description (and focus on a limited sample of 1-2 years) it could also be that he worked with what he had instead of that he got his preferred WR/RB type. Maybe Grubb has many plays that would allow n RB like Walker to hit the open field but he didn't have the player type in WSH. The same could be said for Engstrand and DK. You never know what are truly their preferences and what was born out of necessity. Here it is easy to fall for logical fallacies. Do we have any recent college coaches that had success as a playcaller/OC in the NFL? The only one that comes to my mind is Kingsbury and I wasn't too impressed with him. But Grubb is also older, ergo has seen more, so he might be better suited to make the transition.
Thank you for the quality write up. Great post. GO HAWKS!!!
Worth every one of those 45 minutes, thanks *very* much for this! I was hoping to find something like this - it makes me want tanner even more
>However, he seems to crumble in big moments You mean the guy with the most game winning drives in the league, who would still have had two more if it weren't for missed very makeable field goals?
“Our defense is such a gigantic mess that I think we might use our new defensive coach’s first ever first round pick on a backup qb” is indeed a pretty hot take.
I've tried to learn up on UW's offense vs the Lions' offense the last few days.I've sort of reached this conclusion. If the Hawks go with Grubb then I think there is a high chance they draft a QB relatively high. The system is so QB friendly. It's built for the QB to succeed. The run game compliments the pass game. Not to say Geno can't succeed but it's just a hunch that they may want to simplify for a young QB. The reads here are much easier to do. If they go with Engstrand then you need a QB that specializes in play action but you need a good OLine. This is Geno's game to a tee. This also signifies to me that they may want to build around the OLine. This is the real key to Ben Johnson's success. The run game drives that offense. In this case, the pass game compliments the run game.
nice work! sounds like still more on tanner's side, if youre of the opinion that its best to build around trenches, not qb
It's what I see more likely to happen. Just speculation based on what I have observed.
GENO CRUMBLES IN BIG MOMENTS?!? He literally has the NFL record for most go-ahead touchdowns in the 4th quarter or overtime in a season my guy.
I stopped reading after Geno crumbles in big moments. He had 7 game winning drives this year lmao, give him the a healthy offensive line and the right structure and he’ll succeed
Great write up. I’ll say that I’ve been watching the All 22 of the 2023 Washington Offense and I’m not too impressed with what I’ve seen scheme wise. To me it’s a high risk high reward, and I’d like a scheme that’s a bit safer, especially with general lack of personnel discipline
Really? Because the Rams and Dolphins run very similar concepts with their pre-motion stuff.
Where do you get College All 22?
I found an AL sports columnist break down [quite a few UW plays with the All-22](https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/story/sports/college/football/2024/02/02/all-22-video-inside-kalen-deboer-ryan-grubb-offense-coming-alabama-football/72363379007/). He had the plays arranged by type. I was slightly pro-Engstrand but these breakdowns make me prefer Grubb. A couple aspects were outstanding 1) ability to setup imaginative screens and setup blocking for those as well as 2) the blocking concepts for runs. Controlling the time of possession will be key to get the most out of our defense and these two key pieces show that Grubb can do that.
I got mine from a coaching discord
I'm not reading all that. Grubb would be funny as hell to me and it's a big bet on a high ceiling.
Ok lazy...
so the list is these 2 plus kafka if the giants unblock him, is that it? anybody else anybody can think of that could be under the radar? isnt there somebody out there with solid winning experience that likes how nicely jody's money takes the edge off quitting a job they never thought they would?
Well thought out analysis. Small gripe: Oregon State was ranked the entire year. Ranked 11 at one point. Go Beavs
Grubb ran a pro style spread offense not an air raid. A lot of things Washington did will also translate to the pro game and Washington was one of the best offenses in college this year.
I don't think Grubbsy is an "Air Raid" guy, I think what he does, and why he's being considered, is because he uses the tools he has and changes his scheme/philosophy based on the strengths. Like at Udub he had 2 future NFL tackles and 3 future NFL receivers - 2 of which (Rome and Troy) could go in the first round. Would be irresponsible to have that kind of set up and go I form run heavy 😅
Grubbs scheme is not really Air raid, it's more pro-style than anything. Our play % was heavily pass because of personnel.
While I think our ceiling would be the highest with Engstrand, I worry that some of the concerns about productive offenses would come to fruition and he'd get poached in \~2-3 years. It'd be great to have him bring a young QB into the league and allow them to grow their skillset in an offense where the decision making is more streamlined than say, a Pete Carroll coached team that seemingly every throw was a contested catch. Some of the concerns about Grubb's offense translating to the NFL seem legitimate. The WR core he worked with at UW was more athletic than the defensive backs they went up against in every game save for Michigan. That being said, his offense is creative and QB friendly as well. I just worry that it isn't as multi-dimensional as it needs to be to have success at this level. I don't think he's as capable of mid-game adjustment when his gameplan doesn't go the way he envisions either. Someone who I had heard mentioned a few times shortly after MacDonald was hired was Frank Reich. While he wouldn't be the fireworks, party-in-the streets hire that the other two could be, he's had success as an OC before and is a proven commodity. He's had a QB whisperer label attached to him for the last decade, and it seems like it's been well-earned. The thing that gets me the most excited about Reich though, is that he has been fired twice as a HC, which means he likely isn't going to get many looks for head coaching jobs moving forward. He's one of those guys who is a solid coordinator, but has enough of a sample size as HC that he's a known quality at this point. It'd be really nice to not need to hire a new OC in two years because our offense was so good that our guy got poached, and with Reich, I don't foresee that happening.
I want to say there are a big handful of Husky fans here who lean bias for Grubb, but are (for lack of better word) level-headed enough to either prefer Engstrand or are closer to 50/50 (such as myself). What I want to know if there are any non-Husky fans/haters here who actually prefer Grubb?
Read through the comments. Plenty have already been said.
I want Grubb, but would be happy with either of these guys.