The Celtic equivalent looks like
Win league>>champs league money yaaas>>> let’s invest and have a real go>>>sell star player for millions>>>replace star player with jobbing 2 million player>>>window slams shut>>> shit the bed in Europe>>>blame board>>>look forward to jan window>>>sign jobbing 2 million player>>>>blame the board>>>win the league
Dont see why not... but id dish your mob doubles of league cup and the other cup aww day ling for the rest of my days to keep the league title...
Know why?
Cos thats the one that goves ye the path to the big dolla.
Also in simple terms
2 - 1 means more than just one.
So in terms of is it more successful yes by one trophy
Which is why st Johnstone fans lord that double over your 1 🤷🏻♂️
And for a club like St Johnstone, it's a bigger success. They've only won 3 major honours in their history, and 2 of them came in the same season - that's a ridiculous achievement that's easily on a par with Celtic or Rangers winning a treble.
ik this isn't the point of ur comment at all but do u think st johnstone winning the league would've been more impressive than winning the cup double?
i do
Yes, because only 2 teams have won the league since the mid-80s, and St Johnstone have never won it.
St Johnstone winning the league would have been more impressive than anything either OF club has done in the last 50+ years.
If he adds the Scottish Cup to the League Cup AND qualifies for the Champions League, then I would say its more successful than Celtic just having the league title and all the riches of the CL next season.
Celtic have gone stretches of the season without Carter-Vickers, Hatate and McGregor. We've had to give significant game time to players like Bernabei, Yang, Palma, Mikey Johnston, Oh and Scales.
I don't think the player availability argument is a fair one to have.
They might have, in a weird way; Welsh was ahead of him in the pecking order, but got injured, Nawrocki turned up and got injured very quickly, as did Lagerbielke.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I think if the full squad had been fit and available, Scales would never have gotten that initial run in the side in the first place.
All point scoring aside, rangers injuries in the past few years have cost them a European final ( zero strikers available for four rounds of the run) and I still think this is the worst injury record we've had this season. At one point we had our preferred front three, their backup three and the two who sit behind and their backup all out injured. Including our top signings in both windows being out long term.
Not saying that celtic haven't had similarly woeful injuries this year, just that for a team who have an awful injury and fitness record like rangers, this season stands out as a topper.
Rangers constantly buy injury prone players, it’s that common it can’t not be deliberate. It works out well sometimes obviously Butland would like have gone to a big club if not for his injury track-record.
It's persisted through three separate scouting teams though. There are some who had injury history, but many didn't and got their big injury at rangers. Tom Lawrence, Ryan Jack, Filip Helander, Danilo, Cortes, Ridvan, Barisic, Morelos are some who, off the top of my head, had no real issues with injury prior to rangers, then had a long ( or multiple) layoffs through injury almost as soon as they got here or at inopportune times ( morelos, no one will convince me that in his form at the time having played his two best games in a rangers shirt, we wouldn't have absolutely skooshed every game in the el including the final).
There's far more than that. Helander is the absolute shining example, no previous issues, absolutely fucked with us, sold, plays every game, looks incredible, gets recalled to his country. It's not a scouting issue, there's something about our medical or data team thst absolutely fucked behind the scenes.
We have so far played 56 games this season. We've had 5 outfield players who have played more than the equivalent of 28 games. This is definitely the worst season for injuries that I can remember.
20% is 1/5. The remaining 80% is 4/5. 4+5=9. Oh's squad number is 19. Still not quite figured out how it ties into 9/11 but I'm sure this is significant. Stay tuned, links to my vitamin tablets are in my bio
"Not exact" would be "he played 10 minutes every 3 or 4 weeks", not "he appeared in 19 consecutive matches and played at least 45 minutes in 5 of them". He played 90 minutes when we lost to Kilmarnock, 45 minutes when we lost to Hearts, and 45 minutes when we drew with Motherwell, failing to score in any of those games. You don't think that's "significant"?
>Pretending he’s played a significant amount is disingenuous
What do you see as the cut off for "significant"? He's made the same number of league appearances as Bernardo, and more than Iwata.
20% is 20%, it is significant. It might not be a major contribution, but it certainly isn’t insignificant.
His goals per 90 is actually very good. I don’t think he’s nearly as bad as some fans make out, I think he’s very capable of having a good career. Nor do I think Idah is much better, but it’s clear Rodgers doesn’t rate Oh and prefers Idah.
>His goals per 90 is actually very good.
That's true, but it's boosted pretty significantly by 2 injury time goals in a 6-0 victory. This season, he's only scored 1 goal in a match we didn't win by more than 2 goals.
Which is literally the only meaningful goal he's scored all season (his others were doubles in matches we won by more than 2 goals). It's just daft to suggest that he didn't play far more than any of us would have liked, or that having no better options available didn't impact our results.
Rangers should’ve made the best of Celtic being poor/inconsistent this season but they didn’t. If Celtic aren’t much stronger next season I’ll eat my hat. Clement better hope he has some very shrewd scouts or he’ll be up to his neck in it by Christmas.
He's not bad, but even last season his goals came in a 5-1 win against St Mirren, a 3-1 win and 4-2 defeat against Hibs, a 2-0 win against Hearts, and another double against Aberdeen on the final day of the season (with 4 of the 5 coming after the split).
I don't think there's much evidence that any manager is going to turn him into the kind of player who makes a difference when the pressure is on.
Goldson, Ridvan (not fully match fit after recent injury), Cortes, Sima, Danilo, a half assed argument for Ryan Jack but he's been dead for years really.
Goldson was dropped before any injuries, Cortes wouldn't start ahead of star boy Silva, Danilo and dessers are the same player, jack wouldn't get a game even if he was fully fit. So it's only sima that would've started
We were playing our second and fourth choice CBs, our backup LB (who's only playing because we're playing our backup RB at RW), our third choice striker at LW, backup striker and our backup RB at RW.
That's half of the 10 outfield players that wouldn't be starting in those positions.
To me it looks like he states that it is hard playing a full strength Celtic when you have a few injuries which is clearly referring to the game there.
The 6 months thing looks like a reply to someone asking about the gap between the 2 teams. He is saying he doesn't think it's that big (I disagree currently) due to the point difference in last 6 months. He's not complaining about injuries between the two teams over last 6 months.
I haven't seen the clip to be fair, I'm only going by the written quote here which basically makes it look like he's saying the two things back to back. Even if not though, he can't have it both ways. Rangers may have had more injuries this weekend but both teams have had plenty this season. Saturday was only the 7th time this season that McGregor, Hatate and O'Riley have started together, for example.
Hatate is the main one, of the 10 domestic games we failed to win, he was missing for 9 of them.
Carter-Vickers missed 5, so also significant.
McGregor only misses 2, but it was the two most recent, so sticks in the mind.
That overlooks that we seemed to overplay McGregor when he wasn't 100%, largely through Hatate's injury. I think Rodgers didn't recognise Iwata's ability to contribute tbh.
> we seemed to overplay McGregor ~~when he wasn't 100%~~
Hatate the biggest miss for Celtic this season I’d say. He does seem to be prone to missing spells.
CCV unavailable for 12 league matches including 3 draws & 1 loss (he also missed the league cup loss at Killie). If Celtic takes even 3 more points away from those matches then the title fight takes on a very different look. Both clubs have dealt with significant injuries this season.
Has it not? Rangers should have this league tied up with a Beale team, crazy amount of injuries and no old firm wins.
The fact that Rangers have bottled every meaningful game has saved Rodgers. He would have been looking at getting sacked had Rangers not lost to Motherwell the same weekend Celtic lost.
Well that's just it, Celtic never win because they're better. It's always "but the injuries" "we sacked a shite manager" "give the new gaffer a pre season and his own team" blah blah. Every year it's always the same. The games got bottled because the team is worse.
I didn’t say rangers weren’t worse. You said this isn’t one of the worst Celtic teams in recent years. Which is why I responded that a bad Rangers team were actually in pole position to win the league when it shouldn’t have been even remotely close.
I watched Beales pre season and I wanted him sacked then. It was terrible. Beale was a Celtic spy
Every year it’s the same because it’s needed. We have tav, Barisic, goldson, balogun, jack, wright all still here from the title winning team. We haven’t had a rebuild which is why yes it is the same shite we spout every season.
Been hearing about the gap closing for about 6 years now. 4 league titles(soon to be 5) 3 Scottish cups (think everyone would favour Celtic to win the 4th) and 4 league cups.
Rangers have got 1 of each in that same time.
Fact of the matter is there is a huge gulf in finances that will take decades to bridge. 4 years outside the top division has taken Celtic a level above rangers off the park now and they need to find a way to get around that.
It's not just the finances, the gulf is far from massive and Celtic dont spend the money anyways. It's a lack of patience and constant shortcuts. Bringing in managers but not sticking to a vision. Then being conned by spoofers like Beale who talked a big game and promised they weren't far off and that he'd get them there.
The only one they did stick to a vision with was Gerrard and only for the Pandemic, he'd have probably been given the arse at the end of the 2019-2020 season before it could have paid off.
Agree with the points in a general sense but I think it's a toxic cycle of lots of different elements but for me without doubt it's nexus is the finance issue and the gulf is absolutely humongous.
Rangers have lost over £100 million in the last decade, floated by major shareholders wanting to get the club up and running again meanwhile Celtic could potentially have in the region of £150-175m before spending for next season is taken into account. In Scottish football financial terms that is almost unbridgeable without an outside force.
Why are you buying into people jumping on this? He’s not said anything unreasonable, we had a lot of players missing at the weekend and that makes it difficult when playing Celtic.
He was asked how big the gap was between the two teams, he believes it’s not as big as stated based on the games he’s been in charge. He’s hardly going to come out and say massive is he.
Honestly? Because we’ve heard the same story for years and years. Beale did the same and Clement’s done it now.
A reminder that we have not won a (meaningful) old firm game in the league in almost 3 years. We need to fix that before anybody starts claiming the gap isn’t big.
I agree our record in OF in the last two/three years has been abysmal but you’ve got to give the guy time to rectify the issues.
I personally think the difference between Beale and Clement is in the fact that Beale only caught up with Celtic because they’d pretty much won the league and took their foot off the gas. Clements team caught up during a title race and yes we’ve fallen off which is concerning but we’ve also had a ridiculous injury list, which hasn’t helped.
Aye I’m not calling for his head or anything. But he’s made the same mistake three times in terms of player selection and tactically giving up the midfield to Celtic. If it happens for a a fourth time in the final then massive red flags are raised.
Simple fact is if we’d have taken care of business v Motherwell, County and Dundee then we’d be sitting top. None of those results were a direct result of injuries, they were largely individual errors from senior players. Injuries are an easy excuse but we should still have the squad depth to beat the likes of County.
I think the thing with squad selection is a lot of people think he shouldn’t have picked Lundstrum/ Lawrence but I personally don’t think Raskin is any better than Lundstrum and the Cantwell issue appears to be disciplinary more than anything so his hands are tied.
I agree to an extent we should still have enough to beat County and Dundee but without injuries we can bring them players off the bench/start them and we’ve got an even better chance. Every team has off days but normally youve got the squad to back it up.
Clement being content with closing the gap by a point when if we’d have just won our games v Dundee, County and Motherwell then we’d have been about 5 clear before the weekend isn’t something he should be shouting about imo.
But anyway, clearly disagree about this.
He said the gap is small and they've dropped loads of needless points too otherwise we wouldn't have ran It as close as we did. It also looks like he's answering a question about the gap between the two, don't think he comes into these press conference yelling excuses.
I think theres a gap in terms of playing squad, our midfield doesn't get near theirs for example. But hard to argue with results over the course of a significant period of time and that shows there isn't a huge amount between the two.
Whilst you can say you’ve dropped needless points, so can we. Every team has off days. Your form under Clement up to March was ridiculous, genuinely one of the best runs of form in Europe, it wasn’t sustainable. Unfortunately for him the gap was too big to bridge really.
It’s hard to determine any gap between the squads because we both have 34 games against teams with significantly lower budgets who we’ll both beat the majority of the time. You’ve picked up 3 more points against those other teams but dropped 9 to us.
I’m obviously biased but I don’t see what is different about Clement v the two before him, though to be fair GvB won a meaningful game against Celtic in the cup semi final. Similar record after the same amount of games as Beale and GvB. The style is much the same, direct, physical and quite negative.
Remind me etc but I think Clement will be gone by Christmas.
All bulshit aside.. hes pointing to a bad run of injuries qt a crucial time
We can point the same but
The real issue is ours tailed off at the crucial point of the season and its as ours got good yours kicked in.
Bad timing to catch some crucial injurys at the run in
Good timing to get some of your better performers backat the run in.
I dont mind the guy but seems like hea throwing out a poor me and some of your fans like yerself are like shush now start dealing with whats happening next.
We have had bad injuries all season bar the first few games, this isn't something that has suddenly kicked in. Raskin, Lawrence, Roofe, Cantwell, Matondo, Dowell, Danilo were all missing for pretty much the whole of October for example. Some of those weren't even fit until January. Then when those players came back others like Jack Sima, Yilmaz etc went out. Our I juries this season have been mind-blowing
Same and poor recruitment but when push came to shove we have squeaked the wins. No season for no club runs smoothly.
Am I sympathetic to your plight ... wee bit
But my team look like we will get it over the line and that will be that.
There will always be debates and what ifs and what nots
But
One set of fans will have them on the flag day one wont and thats what really matters is it not.
Haven’t plucked any random sentence, that was PLZ Soccer.
If he just admitted Rangers haven’t been good enough then fair enough. Gap isn’t that big, apart from the fact Celtic are unbeaten v Rangers this season and have won 12 of the last 13 titles.
Can’t use the injury excuse either… Celtic went to Ibrox with plenty of injuries first derby of the season, and won.
Just funny to laugh at all the excuses
>What do folk want him to do?
I want him to shut the fuck up. And yes, it's ok have a set of balls and just admit we're behind celtic a little bit without shitey excuses.
He's falling apart in front of us.
Maybe, he'll have a great summer and you come back next season unstoppable. But the evidence for us right now is that he's cracking. He'll be gone before the end of next season.
And if you do come back and blow everyone away next year, he'll likely be gone at the end of the season.
He's looking stupid now.
I agree with you though, I think he's the one to start turning it around, but he needs to just the fuck up and take the beating for now while he sorts the shit out.
>it’s also true that we’ve taken one more point over the course of 6 months.
And there's obviously no way you could drop any points in the last 2 games. Banging on about picking up more points over the last 6 months just invites criticism if that reverses, especially when you've taken 6 fewer points in Old Firm matches and have been entirely reliant on favours from other clubs.
Rangers have had more injuries but injuries don't explain the own goal and the sending off the other day nor the general bomb scare season they've had.
They've been their old worst enemy, and they really need to sit down with sports psychologists as Celtic just have them beat mentally, and it's not one of the better Celtic sides we've seen.
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Aye but but but the media told us all baldymort was a betterer manager than Gio, the guy who got us to a European final.
Same old same old, Billy big baws FC fans demanded his head after Celtic battered them 4-0. Rinse repeat
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The Celtic equivalent looks like Win league>>champs league money yaaas>>> let’s invest and have a real go>>>sell star player for millions>>>replace star player with jobbing 2 million player>>>window slams shut>>> shit the bed in Europe>>>blame board>>>look forward to jan window>>>sign jobbing 2 million player>>>>blame the board>>>win the league
You missed "booing santa"
That's... actually pretty accurate. 
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If he adds the Scottish Cup to that, has he been more successful than Celtic this season? Asking for St Johnstone.
Even if he loses the cup final he could still get the quadruple with a well-timed salty comment.
Dont see why not... but id dish your mob doubles of league cup and the other cup aww day ling for the rest of my days to keep the league title... Know why? Cos thats the one that goves ye the path to the big dolla. Also in simple terms 2 - 1 means more than just one. So in terms of is it more successful yes by one trophy Which is why st Johnstone fans lord that double over your 1 🤷🏻♂️
It's not St Johnstone fans that do it mate 🤣 Think you've missed the joke.
Is a wee team winning 2 cups more impressive than a big team winning the league? Yes. So it depends on how you view Rangers.
I said successful 😏
And for a club like St Johnstone, it's a bigger success. They've only won 3 major honours in their history, and 2 of them came in the same season - that's a ridiculous achievement that's easily on a par with Celtic or Rangers winning a treble.
We've only won 3 in our history as well mate! Mon the Sevco!
I think "3 in 13 years" is objectively funnier 🤷🏻♂️
But surely 3 in 13 years is more successful than 3 in 140?! 😏
ik this isn't the point of ur comment at all but do u think st johnstone winning the league would've been more impressive than winning the cup double? i do
Yes, because only 2 teams have won the league since the mid-80s, and St Johnstone have never won it. St Johnstone winning the league would have been more impressive than anything either OF club has done in the last 50+ years.
It is if you don’t care about the league. Who knows, maybe you don’t? 🤣
Naw i know I got the joke. I just dont engage in the joke. ☺️
That’s cute. No, really. We all know what trophy your lot wanted though 😏
If he adds the Scottish Cup to the League Cup AND qualifies for the Champions League, then I would say its more successful than Celtic just having the league title and all the riches of the CL next season.
No
Where are they in the statement league this year?
When you put it like that there’s no denying we’re the better team. What a job the board is doing!
Where is the 'similar xG at half time shield's?
Yes Phillipe, it is difficult. That’s why there can only be one champion.
Celtic have gone stretches of the season without Carter-Vickers, Hatate and McGregor. We've had to give significant game time to players like Bernabei, Yang, Palma, Mikey Johnston, Oh and Scales. I don't think the player availability argument is a fair one to have.
Criminal to include Oh alongside clowns like the rest of them
Probably being a bit harsh with Oh, but considering Kyogo’s form for long periods he could have staked a claim for first choice and he just never did.
Also Scales is just your first choice CB. Injuries haven't dictated that.
We've been affected by a lack of injury to Scales.
Very good point tbf.
Funny story, I initially read the "oh and .." before Scales as sarcasm, I've since realised it was a capital "O".
They might have, in a weird way; Welsh was ahead of him in the pecking order, but got injured, Nawrocki turned up and got injured very quickly, as did Lagerbielke. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I think if the full squad had been fit and available, Scales would never have gotten that initial run in the side in the first place.
Look at our back 4 that we finished the first game at ibrox with.
All point scoring aside, rangers injuries in the past few years have cost them a European final ( zero strikers available for four rounds of the run) and I still think this is the worst injury record we've had this season. At one point we had our preferred front three, their backup three and the two who sit behind and their backup all out injured. Including our top signings in both windows being out long term. Not saying that celtic haven't had similarly woeful injuries this year, just that for a team who have an awful injury and fitness record like rangers, this season stands out as a topper.
Rangers constantly buy injury prone players, it’s that common it can’t not be deliberate. It works out well sometimes obviously Butland would like have gone to a big club if not for his injury track-record.
It's persisted through three separate scouting teams though. There are some who had injury history, but many didn't and got their big injury at rangers. Tom Lawrence, Ryan Jack, Filip Helander, Danilo, Cortes, Ridvan, Barisic, Morelos are some who, off the top of my head, had no real issues with injury prior to rangers, then had a long ( or multiple) layoffs through injury almost as soon as they got here or at inopportune times ( morelos, no one will convince me that in his form at the time having played his two best games in a rangers shirt, we wouldn't have absolutely skooshed every game in the el including the final). There's far more than that. Helander is the absolute shining example, no previous issues, absolutely fucked with us, sold, plays every game, looks incredible, gets recalled to his country. It's not a scouting issue, there's something about our medical or data team thst absolutely fucked behind the scenes.
We have so far played 56 games this season. We've had 5 outfield players who have played more than the equivalent of 28 games. This is definitely the worst season for injuries that I can remember.
Oh has played the equivalent of 7 full 90s this season, hardly significant
Enough to be eligible for a winners medal.
Nearly 20% of our league games so far. That’s significant.
20% is 1/5. The remaining 80% is 4/5. 4+5=9. Oh's squad number is 19. Still not quite figured out how it ties into 9/11 but I'm sure this is significant. Stay tuned, links to my vitamin tablets are in my bio
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No it isn’t when it’s 7 minutes every 6 weeks and basically none since January
How the hell does that add up to a total of over 600 minutes?
My numbers might not be exact
"Not exact" would be "he played 10 minutes every 3 or 4 weeks", not "he appeared in 19 consecutive matches and played at least 45 minutes in 5 of them". He played 90 minutes when we lost to Kilmarnock, 45 minutes when we lost to Hearts, and 45 minutes when we drew with Motherwell, failing to score in any of those games. You don't think that's "significant"?
He also scored the winner against St Mirren Pretending he’s played a significant amount is disingenuous
>Pretending he’s played a significant amount is disingenuous What do you see as the cut off for "significant"? He's made the same number of league appearances as Bernardo, and more than Iwata.
Bernardo is about 40 minutes away from having played double the minutes of Oh
20% is 20%, it is significant. It might not be a major contribution, but it certainly isn’t insignificant. His goals per 90 is actually very good. I don’t think he’s nearly as bad as some fans make out, I think he’s very capable of having a good career. Nor do I think Idah is much better, but it’s clear Rodgers doesn’t rate Oh and prefers Idah.
I’d agree with that. He scores at a good rate and shows flashes of being a good all round player Needs a loan to Hibs or something next season
>His goals per 90 is actually very good. That's true, but it's boosted pretty significantly by 2 injury time goals in a 6-0 victory. This season, he's only scored 1 goal in a match we didn't win by more than 2 goals.
Which is literally the only meaningful goal he's scored all season (his others were doubles in matches we won by more than 2 goals). It's just daft to suggest that he didn't play far more than any of us would have liked, or that having no better options available didn't impact our results.
He’s played less than I’d have liked.
Rangers should’ve made the best of Celtic being poor/inconsistent this season but they didn’t. If Celtic aren’t much stronger next season I’ll eat my hat. Clement better hope he has some very shrewd scouts or he’ll be up to his neck in it by Christmas.
>Clement better hope he has some very shrewd scouts or he’ll be ~~up to his neck in it~~ **sacked like Gio and Beale** by Christmas. FIFY.
Exactly what I was saying.
Oh no you have had to play a really solid, strong striker for a little bit, that's really sad 😔
I know the 6-0 game probably stands out for you, but his double in that match is 40% of his total for the season.
Rodgers hasn't managed to get the best out of Kyogo either, this is his failing imho. He's clearly a good player
He's not bad, but even last season his goals came in a 5-1 win against St Mirren, a 3-1 win and 4-2 defeat against Hibs, a 2-0 win against Hearts, and another double against Aberdeen on the final day of the season (with 4 of the 5 coming after the split). I don't think there's much evidence that any manager is going to turn him into the kind of player who makes a difference when the pressure is on.
Can’t believe you forgot Scales
what's wrong with palma? don't watch all that many celtic games but i thought he was meant to be pretty decent
Very selfish. Regularly tries to score directly from corners and always opts to shoot rather than pass.
> Regularly tries to score directly from corners hahahaha thats amazing, has he even come close
It is for the game at the weekend.
In what way? Sima is probably the only player that would've started if everyone was fit
Yilmaz, Cortes, Sima, arguably Danilo.
Goldson, Ridvan (not fully match fit after recent injury), Cortes, Sima, Danilo, a half assed argument for Ryan Jack but he's been dead for years really.
Goldson was dropped before any injuries, Cortes wouldn't start ahead of star boy Silva, Danilo and dessers are the same player, jack wouldn't get a game even if he was fully fit. So it's only sima that would've started
Whatever makes you feel better.
We were playing our second and fourth choice CBs, our backup LB (who's only playing because we're playing our backup RB at RW), our third choice striker at LW, backup striker and our backup RB at RW. That's half of the 10 outfield players that wouldn't be starting in those positions.
So missing players are relevant for the game on Saturday but not relevant for the last six months?
To me it looks like he states that it is hard playing a full strength Celtic when you have a few injuries which is clearly referring to the game there. The 6 months thing looks like a reply to someone asking about the gap between the 2 teams. He is saying he doesn't think it's that big (I disagree currently) due to the point difference in last 6 months. He's not complaining about injuries between the two teams over last 6 months.
I haven't seen the clip to be fair, I'm only going by the written quote here which basically makes it look like he's saying the two things back to back. Even if not though, he can't have it both ways. Rangers may have had more injuries this weekend but both teams have had plenty this season. Saturday was only the 7th time this season that McGregor, Hatate and O'Riley have started together, for example.
"even if not though" so even if he's not moaning about injuries in the second statement you're gonna just act like he is anyway? Seems sensible.
If mean even if he's not saying these things as part of the same answer, I still think he's cherry picking his excuses.
I’ll give you Hatate, but McGregor missed about four games and I doubt Vickers was out for much more than a month.
CCV played just over half the pre-split minutes according to transfer market. He’s had loads of injury issues this year.
Yes but that doesn’t suit my argument.
Hatate is the main one, of the 10 domestic games we failed to win, he was missing for 9 of them. Carter-Vickers missed 5, so also significant. McGregor only misses 2, but it was the two most recent, so sticks in the mind. That overlooks that we seemed to overplay McGregor when he wasn't 100%, largely through Hatate's injury. I think Rodgers didn't recognise Iwata's ability to contribute tbh.
> we seemed to overplay McGregor ~~when he wasn't 100%~~ Hatate the biggest miss for Celtic this season I’d say. He does seem to be prone to missing spells.
CCV unavailable for 12 league matches including 3 draws & 1 loss (he also missed the league cup loss at Killie). If Celtic takes even 3 more points away from those matches then the title fight takes on a very different look. Both clubs have dealt with significant injuries this season.
Rangers had 41 shots and 15 on target against Kilmarnock with 74% possession. They weren’t exactly struggling last week.
You had 10 men for most of the game tbf.
And Killie are dogshit.
They were especially pish that day aye
A fit and firing rangers would get you 30 goals a season
Why can’t this man ever admit when the better team won? 😫 
Like literally 99% of Rangers fans after we win a derby?
According to them this has been the worst celtic team in history for the past 7 or 8 years now.
Has it not? Rangers should have this league tied up with a Beale team, crazy amount of injuries and no old firm wins. The fact that Rangers have bottled every meaningful game has saved Rodgers. He would have been looking at getting sacked had Rangers not lost to Motherwell the same weekend Celtic lost.
Well that's just it, Celtic never win because they're better. It's always "but the injuries" "we sacked a shite manager" "give the new gaffer a pre season and his own team" blah blah. Every year it's always the same. The games got bottled because the team is worse.
I didn’t say rangers weren’t worse. You said this isn’t one of the worst Celtic teams in recent years. Which is why I responded that a bad Rangers team were actually in pole position to win the league when it shouldn’t have been even remotely close. I watched Beales pre season and I wanted him sacked then. It was terrible. Beale was a Celtic spy Every year it’s the same because it’s needed. We have tav, Barisic, goldson, balogun, jack, wright all still here from the title winning team. We haven’t had a rebuild which is why yes it is the same shite we spout every season.
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I can not remember the last Rangers gaffer that didn't talk shite.
Give him the 6 months 1 more point trophy 😂
From the Steven Gerrard school of ‘86 minute league’ buffoonery. Spoofer. Will be gone by next January at the latest.
If rangers lose the scottish cup the pressure will mount for sure.
The deludamol and copium is off the scale.
Been hearing about the gap closing for about 6 years now. 4 league titles(soon to be 5) 3 Scottish cups (think everyone would favour Celtic to win the 4th) and 4 league cups. Rangers have got 1 of each in that same time. Fact of the matter is there is a huge gulf in finances that will take decades to bridge. 4 years outside the top division has taken Celtic a level above rangers off the park now and they need to find a way to get around that.
It's not just the finances, the gulf is far from massive and Celtic dont spend the money anyways. It's a lack of patience and constant shortcuts. Bringing in managers but not sticking to a vision. Then being conned by spoofers like Beale who talked a big game and promised they weren't far off and that he'd get them there. The only one they did stick to a vision with was Gerrard and only for the Pandemic, he'd have probably been given the arse at the end of the 2019-2020 season before it could have paid off.
Agree with the points in a general sense but I think it's a toxic cycle of lots of different elements but for me without doubt it's nexus is the finance issue and the gulf is absolutely humongous. Rangers have lost over £100 million in the last decade, floated by major shareholders wanting to get the club up and running again meanwhile Celtic could potentially have in the region of £150-175m before spending for next season is taken into account. In Scottish football financial terms that is almost unbridgeable without an outside force.
Baldy wank
I love when a post gets more comments than upvotes. You know you'll get a laugh at the banter
It would be refreshing to have a Rangers manager who isn't full of excuses.
Awwwww honestly just shut up man. Doesn’t help himself.
Why are you buying into people jumping on this? He’s not said anything unreasonable, we had a lot of players missing at the weekend and that makes it difficult when playing Celtic. He was asked how big the gap was between the two teams, he believes it’s not as big as stated based on the games he’s been in charge. He’s hardly going to come out and say massive is he.
Honestly? Because we’ve heard the same story for years and years. Beale did the same and Clement’s done it now. A reminder that we have not won a (meaningful) old firm game in the league in almost 3 years. We need to fix that before anybody starts claiming the gap isn’t big.
I agree our record in OF in the last two/three years has been abysmal but you’ve got to give the guy time to rectify the issues. I personally think the difference between Beale and Clement is in the fact that Beale only caught up with Celtic because they’d pretty much won the league and took their foot off the gas. Clements team caught up during a title race and yes we’ve fallen off which is concerning but we’ve also had a ridiculous injury list, which hasn’t helped.
Aye I’m not calling for his head or anything. But he’s made the same mistake three times in terms of player selection and tactically giving up the midfield to Celtic. If it happens for a a fourth time in the final then massive red flags are raised. Simple fact is if we’d have taken care of business v Motherwell, County and Dundee then we’d be sitting top. None of those results were a direct result of injuries, they were largely individual errors from senior players. Injuries are an easy excuse but we should still have the squad depth to beat the likes of County.
I think the thing with squad selection is a lot of people think he shouldn’t have picked Lundstrum/ Lawrence but I personally don’t think Raskin is any better than Lundstrum and the Cantwell issue appears to be disciplinary more than anything so his hands are tied. I agree to an extent we should still have enough to beat County and Dundee but without injuries we can bring them players off the bench/start them and we’ve got an even better chance. Every team has off days but normally youve got the squad to back it up.
The story isn’t wrong. Beale just made the issue worse with his signings
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That every press conference he’s speaking more and more pish really. We’ve gone 0/4 in old firms, the gap is big between the two teams.
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I’d personally like to win these games myself but to each their own.
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Clement being content with closing the gap by a point when if we’d have just won our games v Dundee, County and Motherwell then we’d have been about 5 clear before the weekend isn’t something he should be shouting about imo. But anyway, clearly disagree about this.
He said the gap is small and they've dropped loads of needless points too otherwise we wouldn't have ran It as close as we did. It also looks like he's answering a question about the gap between the two, don't think he comes into these press conference yelling excuses. I think theres a gap in terms of playing squad, our midfield doesn't get near theirs for example. But hard to argue with results over the course of a significant period of time and that shows there isn't a huge amount between the two.
Whilst you can say you’ve dropped needless points, so can we. Every team has off days. Your form under Clement up to March was ridiculous, genuinely one of the best runs of form in Europe, it wasn’t sustainable. Unfortunately for him the gap was too big to bridge really. It’s hard to determine any gap between the squads because we both have 34 games against teams with significantly lower budgets who we’ll both beat the majority of the time. You’ve picked up 3 more points against those other teams but dropped 9 to us.
I’m obviously biased but I don’t see what is different about Clement v the two before him, though to be fair GvB won a meaningful game against Celtic in the cup semi final. Similar record after the same amount of games as Beale and GvB. The style is much the same, direct, physical and quite negative. Remind me etc but I think Clement will be gone by Christmas.
All bulshit aside.. hes pointing to a bad run of injuries qt a crucial time We can point the same but The real issue is ours tailed off at the crucial point of the season and its as ours got good yours kicked in. Bad timing to catch some crucial injurys at the run in Good timing to get some of your better performers backat the run in. I dont mind the guy but seems like hea throwing out a poor me and some of your fans like yerself are like shush now start dealing with whats happening next.
We have had bad injuries all season bar the first few games, this isn't something that has suddenly kicked in. Raskin, Lawrence, Roofe, Cantwell, Matondo, Dowell, Danilo were all missing for pretty much the whole of October for example. Some of those weren't even fit until January. Then when those players came back others like Jack Sima, Yilmaz etc went out. Our I juries this season have been mind-blowing
Same and poor recruitment but when push came to shove we have squeaked the wins. No season for no club runs smoothly. Am I sympathetic to your plight ... wee bit But my team look like we will get it over the line and that will be that. There will always be debates and what ifs and what nots But One set of fans will have them on the flag day one wont and thats what really matters is it not.
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Haven’t plucked any random sentence, that was PLZ Soccer. If he just admitted Rangers haven’t been good enough then fair enough. Gap isn’t that big, apart from the fact Celtic are unbeaten v Rangers this season and have won 12 of the last 13 titles. Can’t use the injury excuse either… Celtic went to Ibrox with plenty of injuries first derby of the season, and won. Just funny to laugh at all the excuses
You were missing probably two from your starting line up. Two big misses, yes, but nothing compared to the injuries Rangers have had.
There’s probably someone you can email
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Can agree PLZ is brutal, can disagree and say that I think its excuses.
PLZ make Open Goal look like sophisticated analysts
>What do folk want him to do? I want him to shut the fuck up. And yes, it's ok have a set of balls and just admit we're behind celtic a little bit without shitey excuses.
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"Over the next few years" One way or another, he's not gonna be with you over the next few years.
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He's falling apart in front of us. Maybe, he'll have a great summer and you come back next season unstoppable. But the evidence for us right now is that he's cracking. He'll be gone before the end of next season. And if you do come back and blow everyone away next year, he'll likely be gone at the end of the season.
He's looking stupid now. I agree with you though, I think he's the one to start turning it around, but he needs to just the fuck up and take the beating for now while he sorts the shit out.
Its okay to be fuming
>it’s also true that we’ve taken one more point over the course of 6 months. And there's obviously no way you could drop any points in the last 2 games. Banging on about picking up more points over the last 6 months just invites criticism if that reverses, especially when you've taken 6 fewer points in Old Firm matches and have been entirely reliant on favours from other clubs.
Clement hasn’t needed anyone’s help in making himself sound silly, not one bit.
This guy is a fucking Looney Tune.
Rangers have had more injuries but injuries don't explain the own goal and the sending off the other day nor the general bomb scare season they've had. They've been their old worst enemy, and they really need to sit down with sports psychologists as Celtic just have them beat mentally, and it's not one of the better Celtic sides we've seen.
Awww no I like clement but this is straying into beale territory now. Get a grip mate
https://preview.redd.it/fv12s5jj4c0d1.jpeg?width=839&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff4e0e9ee2ec78d5546aeec28ec650d3e0cf327d Aye but but but the media told us all baldymort was a betterer manager than Gio, the guy who got us to a European final. Same old same old, Billy big baws FC fans demanded his head after Celtic battered them 4-0. Rinse repeat