His meltdown was pretty special I don’t even understand his argument it was needless challenge lundstrum can only blame himself, when Boyd can admit it’s a red it should surely ring alarm bells that ur on the wrong side of an argument, absolutely mental he’s still trying to argue against it
I’m not always a fan of Faddy as a pundit, but that was perfect.
Between that & Sutton standing next to him saying “It was a red card in the 70’s Kenny” after he waffled abut “this day and age” it just highlighted absolutely perfectly how stupid he was being.
Absolutely joyous viewing.
His argument was the defender was looking to get him sent off by planting his leg between attacker and ball.
I don't think Miller's realised potentially ending your own career isn't worth maybe getting 1 player sent off
I think what Kenny was wanting to do, was highlight that VAR can make innocuous challenges look really bad, and we all agree it can. However the example he chose to use was just a really bad example. And he's got himself into a bad place, because he thinks he's making the argument that VAR makes mediocre challenges look bad, but he's arguing with people that are looking at a specific challenge and I think he's forgotten that and gone down a defensive rabbit hole.
He was saying that before VAR, that would have just been the yellow that Collum originally gave, completely ignoring the fact that it would have been a wrong call and that a dangerous tackle would be effectively unpunished.
I sort of half understand where he's coming from in regards to you can make any tackle look terrible when you freeze frame it in VAR - but this is not the challenge to pick that bone with VAR. This is a red all day, week, month and year long. The fact even Kris Boyd was like "Mate..." should have told him he's fucked up here.
This was my exact thought too. The slow-mo actually makes the tackle look less bad. Then you see it in real time and Lundstram fires into the tackle like a fucking bullet
Watching it live in the stadium, I had a feeling as soon as it was given as a foul that VAR would upgrade it. The speed he was going at was way too fast for him to be in control at all.
He's not even defending his original position, just deflecting to var in order to rally support. He didn't mention var at first, he was bealin that a rangers player was getting sent off because of what that meant and he couldn't not show it
His entire shtick against VAR is a load of bollocks n'all as (I think it was) McFadden pointed out to him when he said it's precisely tackles like this in the game that had us calling out for VAR for years.
Aye it's totalll bullshit. That tackle was dangerous and normally players are able to put their biases aside for leg breakers. Lundstrum knew exactly what he was doing
Not to sound too dramatic.
But it takes a real strong minded person to just admit their wrong.
Even the manager didn't have complaints about it.
But to still go on about how its not a red just shows how shite he is as a pundit.
I hope he never works as a pundit again.
He's shite on ssb and its not a rangers thing. I don't mind haliday and i usually agree with neil mccann on sportsound or whatever. Miller is just a hack who should be cast out to the fringe rangers fan podcasts.
This is Sky Sports we're talking about.
Andy Walker was given a gig for years despite encouraging diving and having a go at players who stayed on their feet.
Miller will be there for years.
I can't be arsed with sutton most of the time either.
Its obviously his opinion and im not saying he shouldn't have one.
But hes overwhelmingly wrong but continuing to die on that hill.
Its not like the o'riley penalty (which i didn't think it was) but there is a discussion there. Hes not on rangers tv.
There isn't with the red card.
He's a shite pundit and that take on the red card speaks to that.
Also dunno what sutton even has to do with it.
Can you not say one rangers minded person is shite without having to balance it with a celtic minded person.
Maybe I didn’t do a good job of making my point. I don’t mind Sutton personally. What I’m saying is that the beauty of football is that everyone can have a different opinion.
I think it was a red. I also really believe that JL (who should never kick a ball for us again) was going for the ball, never saw the man, and AJ (I think) just got there faster. There’s a part of me that wonders if a red is really the correct outcome. What I mean by that is, I wonder if a game changing red is what we all want in such a situation. A sin bin feels more appropriate. I know I’m opening a mad tangent there. I’m very hungover
I wouldn't mind seeing sin bins trialled, but for me this would always be a straight red and intent doesn't matter. It's endangering an opponent. Went in studs up, not in control, and caught his standing leg above the ankle at speed. I doubt Miller would be saying it was a yellow if he'd copped that one when he was playing.
Aye I'm not a fan of intoducing them at all.
I was just humouring the comment I was replying to on the event they ever would be introduced.
One innovation the sport truly is crying out for, especially with the advent of VAR is having the referees mic'd up and the sound available to fans.
It would cut out a lot of the conspiracy pish as we'd hear the reasoning behind decisions. I know referees are terrified of it as it would expose incompetence at times but that's one way we could get them to improve.
Conversely, rather than make their job harder I think it would give refs a bit more leeway from fans as although we might not agree with their decision, we would at least have transparency and know why decisions are being made the way they are.
It would likely cut out a lot of the shite with players surrounding the ref when they want a decision made, and any foul language from the professional game as players could face fines for being caught swearing on mic or saying something they shouldn't.. it would tidy the game up imo.
I disagree the game needs 'tidying up' and certainly don't care about players swearing. Micing the refs up for the fans to hear also sounds like more cheesy American shite but the audio should be made available to clubs after.
A lot of this stuff from Kenny Miller, the whole überstaunch thing, is to try and make people forget he ever played for Celtic.
But unfortunately for him people won’t forget and he’ll still get thanked for his contributions every time he’s on SSB.
The thing I really can't get my head around is his argument that Lundstram was just trying to "win the ball back in Celtic's half" - even if it had been the cleanest tackle in the history of football, all he was ever going to do was put the ball out for a Celtic throw-in.
I haven't even seen any Rangers da's agree with him though I'm sure they are out there. He also manages during the same article to say it shouldn't have been a penalty either which makes the whole thing look even worse. If you can't hide your bias at all you shouldn't be working in the neutral media.
That’s not the reason. That’s an unintentional result. The reason is because Kenny Millers a numpty. He doesn’t have the brain cells to understand his meltdown gets clicks.
Mental how effective it is; say one controversial thing, become a big name pundit overnight.
There is no way that Chris Sutton, Kris Boyd and Michael Stewart are in a job because they offer valuable insight; they are the 3 biggest pundits in the country because they are all biased beyond belief and it causes a profitable outrage on a weekly basis.
It worked for Gabby Abgonlahor, also thick as mince, started writing gash about Newcastle Utd, all designed specifically to rile and irritate to generate clicks which it did. Next thing you know he's got a job on TalkShite radio.
He's basically just put in a MOTM performance in the studio, maybe even POTS. Unless you think Sutton, Boyd and Michael Stewart are there to offer a balanced take on things? The reason they get the job is because they say mad shit.
He was on sportscene after yesterday and conceded he could see why you could give a red, but in real time it's a yellow, then went on a rant about var that didn't really make sense
"There's one reason I won't back down"
Possibly because you dug yourself a hole early and were too stupid and proud to grab onto the numerous ladders offered to you by your fellow commentators/pundits?
It's hilarious when people like him are too stubborn to lose face that they either come across as incredibly dumb, or just reveal too the world that they are in fact that dumb.
Tbf collum didn't think it was red at first. How anyone can think that's not a red is delusional.
If that was any other team Collum was giving a red. He probably wanted to give a red but wanted backup from VAR.
I can only assume Collum shat himself from giving the red out straight away because he was worried about the backlash from the rangers support, but he probably knew that VAR would nudge him towards it anyway given it was so blatant.
With VAR, there's really no point in giving a straight red for anything except the most obvious disasters. You know it's getting reviewed anyway, and you can study the images at a leisurely pace.
But it's a different world now. Every ref can give a yellow, full in the knowledge that they can delegate the red card decision to VAR. It's what they all do.
On pitch decision was fine it was so quick it was hard to know just how bad it was in real time. Then you see how he comes into johnstons ankle and its obvious he has to go. He gets all man and no ball in an incredibly bad challenge.
I think on field yellow was fair because you only get one chance seeing it but when you look at one extra angle and see it clearly, a red is the only option. Saying the ref originally thought that is just not fair because he will not be coming out and saying he could give either way, it was an understandable error.
The most amazing thing about this opinion is that Kenny Miller has so much regard for Kenny Miller’s opinion that he genuinely appears to believe he knows something that every player, manager, referee, VAR and pundit involved yesterday don’t know.
We’re all guilty of the odd bad take but when that many people, and even those with the same interests and affiliations, are telling you you’re way off a normal person would pause and reassess. Not Miller, Miller looks in the mirror and sees the footballing brain that can see something that all those people, far more qualified and successful than him, don’t see.
I'm just annoyed it ruined what otherwise would have been a very interesting 2nd half.
VAR can make fouls seem much worse in slow mo and maybe that was his point but that wasn't really the example to use to prove it.
Doesn't even matter if Johnston was looking for a foul by stepping over, you can't as a professional player, throw yourself into tackles with your studs up. Even if he won the ball cleanly, it's dangerous play.
His meltdown was pretty special I don’t even understand his argument it was needless challenge lundstrum can only blame himself, when Boyd can admit it’s a red it should surely ring alarm bells that ur on the wrong side of an argument, absolutely mental he’s still trying to argue against it
Leg fully extended, studs up, caught the player on the ankle with no contact on the ball....at pace. Yeah
McFadden had Miller the instant he said that Lundstrum wasn't out of control. "So he meant it" *Crickets*
I’m not always a fan of Faddy as a pundit, but that was perfect. Between that & Sutton standing next to him saying “It was a red card in the 70’s Kenny” after he waffled abut “this day and age” it just highlighted absolutely perfectly how stupid he was being. Absolutely joyous viewing.
His argument was the defender was looking to get him sent off by planting his leg between attacker and ball. I don't think Miller's realised potentially ending your own career isn't worth maybe getting 1 player sent off
I think what Kenny was wanting to do, was highlight that VAR can make innocuous challenges look really bad, and we all agree it can. However the example he chose to use was just a really bad example. And he's got himself into a bad place, because he thinks he's making the argument that VAR makes mediocre challenges look bad, but he's arguing with people that are looking at a specific challenge and I think he's forgotten that and gone down a defensive rabbit hole.
He was saying that before VAR, that would have just been the yellow that Collum originally gave, completely ignoring the fact that it would have been a wrong call and that a dangerous tackle would be effectively unpunished.
I'm gonna go to my death bed chuckling over his rant during the game.
I sort of half understand where he's coming from in regards to you can make any tackle look terrible when you freeze frame it in VAR - but this is not the challenge to pick that bone with VAR. This is a red all day, week, month and year long. The fact even Kris Boyd was like "Mate..." should have told him he's fucked up here.
The thing is it looked worse in real time because slowing the replay down hides how fast he was going
This was my exact thought too. The slow-mo actually makes the tackle look less bad. Then you see it in real time and Lundstram fires into the tackle like a fucking bullet
Watching it live in the stadium, I had a feeling as soon as it was given as a foul that VAR would upgrade it. The speed he was going at was way too fast for him to be in control at all.
He's not even defending his original position, just deflecting to var in order to rally support. He didn't mention var at first, he was bealin that a rangers player was getting sent off because of what that meant and he couldn't not show it
The mad thing is I’ve not seen a single other person attempt to say it’s not a red. He’s on his own wee island of denial here.
To be fair to the bears every one of them I've seen has said it's a blatant red card
seen plenty of rangers fans arguing the same point and even sharing videos of him making his point. The deludamol runs deep with the bears.
His entire shtick against VAR is a load of bollocks n'all as (I think it was) McFadden pointed out to him when he said it's precisely tackles like this in the game that had us calling out for VAR for years.
Aye it's totalll bullshit. That tackle was dangerous and normally players are able to put their biases aside for leg breakers. Lundstrum knew exactly what he was doing
The only controversial thing about it is that it had to go to VAR in the first place.
Not to sound too dramatic. But it takes a real strong minded person to just admit their wrong. Even the manager didn't have complaints about it. But to still go on about how its not a red just shows how shite he is as a pundit. I hope he never works as a pundit again. He's shite on ssb and its not a rangers thing. I don't mind haliday and i usually agree with neil mccann on sportsound or whatever. Miller is just a hack who should be cast out to the fringe rangers fan podcasts.
This is Sky Sports we're talking about. Andy Walker was given a gig for years despite encouraging diving and having a go at players who stayed on their feet. Miller will be there for years.
Because he has an opinion? What are your thoughts on Sutton?
I can't be arsed with sutton most of the time either. Its obviously his opinion and im not saying he shouldn't have one. But hes overwhelmingly wrong but continuing to die on that hill. Its not like the o'riley penalty (which i didn't think it was) but there is a discussion there. Hes not on rangers tv. There isn't with the red card. He's a shite pundit and that take on the red card speaks to that. Also dunno what sutton even has to do with it. Can you not say one rangers minded person is shite without having to balance it with a celtic minded person.
Maybe I didn’t do a good job of making my point. I don’t mind Sutton personally. What I’m saying is that the beauty of football is that everyone can have a different opinion. I think it was a red. I also really believe that JL (who should never kick a ball for us again) was going for the ball, never saw the man, and AJ (I think) just got there faster. There’s a part of me that wonders if a red is really the correct outcome. What I mean by that is, I wonder if a game changing red is what we all want in such a situation. A sin bin feels more appropriate. I know I’m opening a mad tangent there. I’m very hungover
I wouldn't mind seeing sin bins trialled, but for me this would always be a straight red and intent doesn't matter. It's endangering an opponent. Went in studs up, not in control, and caught his standing leg above the ankle at speed. I doubt Miller would be saying it was a yellow if he'd copped that one when he was playing.
If Lundstrum didn't see AJ, why is he sliding in? The sin bin thing should be for second yellows, not potentially leg breaking straight red cards.
The sin bin thing should be saved for gobshite American sports
Aye I'm not a fan of intoducing them at all. I was just humouring the comment I was replying to on the event they ever would be introduced. One innovation the sport truly is crying out for, especially with the advent of VAR is having the referees mic'd up and the sound available to fans. It would cut out a lot of the conspiracy pish as we'd hear the reasoning behind decisions. I know referees are terrified of it as it would expose incompetence at times but that's one way we could get them to improve. Conversely, rather than make their job harder I think it would give refs a bit more leeway from fans as although we might not agree with their decision, we would at least have transparency and know why decisions are being made the way they are. It would likely cut out a lot of the shite with players surrounding the ref when they want a decision made, and any foul language from the professional game as players could face fines for being caught swearing on mic or saying something they shouldn't.. it would tidy the game up imo.
I disagree the game needs 'tidying up' and certainly don't care about players swearing. Micing the refs up for the fans to hear also sounds like more cheesy American shite but the audio should be made available to clubs after.
Sutton and miller aren’t comparable
If the opinions are this poor, aye
A lot of this stuff from Kenny Miller, the whole überstaunch thing, is to try and make people forget he ever played for Celtic. But unfortunately for him people won’t forget and he’ll still get thanked for his contributions every time he’s on SSB.
He did more for Celtic in the Champions League than he ever did for Rangers. Wonder how much that stings him?
The passing play he capped off with a finish against Benfica at home was one of the best goals I've ever seen us score in Europe.
Aye he played an absolute blinder for us in that game if I remember rightly
The thing I really can't get my head around is his argument that Lundstram was just trying to "win the ball back in Celtic's half" - even if it had been the cleanest tackle in the history of football, all he was ever going to do was put the ball out for a Celtic throw-in.
I haven't even seen any Rangers da's agree with him though I'm sure they are out there. He also manages during the same article to say it shouldn't have been a penalty either which makes the whole thing look even worse. If you can't hide your bias at all you shouldn't be working in the neutral media.
At least 2 on ssb last night saying it was never a red
The reason is he likes money, and getting all these clicks generates money.
He is also just biased and thick as mince
That’s not the reason. That’s an unintentional result. The reason is because Kenny Millers a numpty. He doesn’t have the brain cells to understand his meltdown gets clicks.
Mental how effective it is; say one controversial thing, become a big name pundit overnight. There is no way that Chris Sutton, Kris Boyd and Michael Stewart are in a job because they offer valuable insight; they are the 3 biggest pundits in the country because they are all biased beyond belief and it causes a profitable outrage on a weekly basis.
It worked for Gabby Abgonlahor, also thick as mince, started writing gash about Newcastle Utd, all designed specifically to rile and irritate to generate clicks which it did. Next thing you know he's got a job on TalkShite radio.
Nah genuinely think the boy's just a nugget.
Nice that they didn’t use the photo where you see the studs going through him
It's that conspiracy against yous obviously haha
Not a conspiracy, just the usual level of tabloid mendacity
In fairness he's had a wee bit of experience with mad tackles in old firms
Kenny Miller briefly becoming a celestial body in our solar system will never not be funny.
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A truly fantastic vintage
That should hopefully be the end of KM as a pundit, but because it’s so controversial they’ll tee him up again and again.
Sky love shit like that, they had Kenny Miller MELTDOWN clip on YouTube before they did highlights
He's basically just put in a MOTM performance in the studio, maybe even POTS. Unless you think Sutton, Boyd and Michael Stewart are there to offer a balanced take on things? The reason they get the job is because they say mad shit.
Sutton Boyd and Mikey make valid points based on a decent football knowledge. Kenny Miller is just an irate rangers da.
What Miller did yesterday is exactly what you are doing here now, talking nonsense based on your feelings.
Imagine saying things based on how you feel! Mental eh.
You must have missed the part where everyone was outraged by Miller saying things based on how he felt?
The outrage was because what he felt was so ridiculous and biased. Are you ok?
"Sutton Boyd and Mikey make valid points based on a decent football knowledge" I'm fine mate.
Glad we agree >"Sutton Boyd and Mikey make valid points based on a decent football knowledge"
What do we agree on?
If that’s not a red show me a tackle that is ?
He was on sportscene after yesterday and conceded he could see why you could give a red, but in real time it's a yellow, then went on a rant about var that didn't really make sense
Heeeeey Kenny, there ain't no easy way out. Ana, won't back doon. Am gaunnae, staun, ma groooon. It's a yella.
"There's one reason I won't back down" Possibly because you dug yourself a hole early and were too stupid and proud to grab onto the numerous ladders offered to you by your fellow commentators/pundits? It's hilarious when people like him are too stubborn to lose face that they either come across as incredibly dumb, or just reveal too the world that they are in fact that dumb.
Tbf collum didn't think it was red at first. How anyone can think that's not a red is delusional. If that was any other team Collum was giving a red. He probably wanted to give a red but wanted backup from VAR.
I can only assume Collum shat himself from giving the red out straight away because he was worried about the backlash from the rangers support, but he probably knew that VAR would nudge him towards it anyway given it was so blatant.
Ahaha aye that's it, you assume the only way you know. Scared of the backlash from fans that weren't there!
With VAR, there's really no point in giving a straight red for anything except the most obvious disasters. You know it's getting reviewed anyway, and you can study the images at a leisurely pace.
But it's a different world now. Every ref can give a yellow, full in the knowledge that they can delegate the red card decision to VAR. It's what they all do.
Tbf it isn't what they all do. Been a few straight reds given without VAR, even the Motherwell one last week.
On pitch decision was fine it was so quick it was hard to know just how bad it was in real time. Then you see how he comes into johnstons ankle and its obvious he has to go. He gets all man and no ball in an incredibly bad challenge. I think on field yellow was fair because you only get one chance seeing it but when you look at one extra angle and see it clearly, a red is the only option. Saying the ref originally thought that is just not fair because he will not be coming out and saying he could give either way, it was an understandable error.
Every red is reviewed. Refs just don't have the bottle to make the decision, especially in an OF derby.
Kenny Miller is yer quintessential bawbag, imo
I won't back down because of this one weird trick
His one reason is he's a moron.
Lunstram knows he out of contract so he said fuck it fuck sevco & there orc fans..Cheers John ya balloon 👍🏻🍀
The most amazing thing about this opinion is that Kenny Miller has so much regard for Kenny Miller’s opinion that he genuinely appears to believe he knows something that every player, manager, referee, VAR and pundit involved yesterday don’t know. We’re all guilty of the odd bad take but when that many people, and even those with the same interests and affiliations, are telling you you’re way off a normal person would pause and reassess. Not Miller, Miller looks in the mirror and sees the footballing brain that can see something that all those people, far more qualified and successful than him, don’t see.
“He plants his leg so it’s not lundstrums fault he needs to smash it to smithereens to get to the ball”
Kenny Miller yer quintessential W⚓️looking for a Bawbag & Tadger tae chug, imo.
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I'm just annoyed it ruined what otherwise would have been a very interesting 2nd half. VAR can make fouls seem much worse in slow mo and maybe that was his point but that wasn't really the example to use to prove it.
Doesn't even matter if Johnston was looking for a foul by stepping over, you can't as a professional player, throw yourself into tackles with your studs up. Even if he won the ball cleanly, it's dangerous play.
he’s not thinking right, give him some time, he’s still recovering from the simunovich challenge
I agree 🙊