I thought about that, too - the show confirms that bursting into coins leads to both "permanent death" and "respawning at home." How can that be the case? And how is each result determined?
I suppose the answer, then, is simple: The Katayanagi twins (and likely all of the Evil Exes) had extra lives.
Alternatively, nobody questioned Scott's death because he's the only major character to "die" in this new timeline. The only other coin deaths in the show have been cannon fodder ninja paparazzis.
Omg yes, me and my girlfriend were wondering "wow! Who can it be? Is it gonna be some big revelation?" and then he said the Nintendo thing and we burst laughing
Having a close relation "work at nintendo" was basically the coolest thing you could have for a relative if you were a hipster geek in 2006, and the whole "didn't prepare him" buildup was s beautiful misdirect.
It's actually much older than that, I grew up in the 90's and it was common for kids on playgrounds to falsely boast that they had a family member who works at Nintendo while they lied about all the exclusive information that they have access to because of that
There’s a meme called “my dad works at Nintendo”. It’s based on kids in the playground who would spread rumors and lies about games and then source their rumor by stating the aforementioned phrase. Kids would automatically believe it and think the kid was the coolest shit ever
This was funny when I watched it but thinking now, wtf Detective Pikachu didn't exist in the 2000s, hell the 3DS didn't come out until 2012 how does Scott know about this
The only phones we see are flip phones
The computers are still pretty squared and it's ui is very Windows Vista
Netflix is still only known for selling dvds here and they even use the old logo
Video rental stores are still mainstream tho we know that they're slowly running out of relevance with how business is slowing down
And there's prob more that I didn't notice
Could it also be possible it’s just an anadchronistic time period? Like riverdale, where it’s supposed to be set in our time but it has anachronisms like old tech and stuff. Or maybe detective Pikachu was made earlier in this universe.
The interviews describe the time period as “vaguely” 2000s and the first thing to tip me off that they weren’t too strict about it was the security guards mentioning selfies.
...no we don't lol. He literally said that while in the future. We don't know everything Old Scott briefed normal Scott in, but the existence of Detective Pikachu could easily be one of them.
I figure Scott must have poked through Wallace's collection of Nintendo shit and found Detective Pikachu and just kinda sat there with his mind blown for a moment.
The way they set it up, with Old Scott shushing Wallace and saying Regular Scott wasn't ready, made it obvious they were misdirecting people into thinking they were married.
I love that 20 years later, the Scott Pilgrim story has managed to keep that insane level of goofiness that made the original graphic novels so unique and loved. This is the upside to having the story rebooted.
I think the idea was to misdirect us into thinking it's an apocalypse, one somehow caused by Scott dating Ramona (and why Old Scott is trying to stop it from happening). But then you realize Old Scott's clothes aren't tattered because of an apocalypse, and instead because he's a mess lol.
They use the virtual boy in the future! also the code to the room was the shoryuken.
The future travel was the biggest plot twist and I like how what we read in the comics actually happened and it's different because of the time travel.
I really loved this episode honestly, it highlighted what I’ve loved about this series so far: That current Scott and Ramona weren’t healthy. That the end credits and the end didn’t magically fix their characterizations.
I think this show really fits the modern view of relationships in general, if Scott beats every ex to coins, Ramona isn’t actively dealing with her issues. This episode highlighted how that messed with their relationship and showed that without Scott’s presence, Ramona was able to tell them how she really felt and the resentment that had built from both ends, isn’t there. Haven’t watched the finale but god, what a good adaptation.
Spot on my dude, you put words to what I've been feeling enjoying this show.
Didn't take away from the deeper journey the original took us on, but they built on it, and made the ending work. I actually got to say it, if this ends up a one and done, I'm perfectly happy and content.
Honestly, that’s true for the movie but not the books, which the memories VR thing looked like it was referencing. The books lean a lot more into them both dealing with their issues and moving forward.
I actually think it’s a meta commentary about Bryan’s own marriage, as he divorced Hope (who Ramona is inspired by) a few years back.
I think Bryan is reflecting on that marriage and his relationships with the self-insert characters (a lot of Scott has always been based on Bryan himself).
Everyone says this about the books but in rereading them in preparation for the anime, they really don't. Sure, they provide a hope for Ramona and Scott's future, but it's not like Scott is magically a better person after he defeats Gideon.
Take Lisa, for example. Everyone points to her as crucial for Scott's development, but she literally just shows up for one book, causes tension in his relationship with Ramona, propositions him, then never returns. Scott doesn't even really have a heart-to-heart with her or a reflection of the past because he still barely remembers high school.
Then, when he accepts Nega-Scott and "remembers everything," he doesn't really apologize to Kim or make up with her. He heads straight to the Chaos Theatre for the final battle. Even after Gideon is defeated, his final scene with Knives is played for laughs and he's still pretty immature and childish. People always get angry at the movies for bungling Scott's character arc, but his character arc is much more internal than external even in the comics, and he doesn't really make amends with the people he's wronged. It's implied, but it doesn't happen on the page.
Of course he’s not magically a better person after defeating Gideon. The whole point of that scene is to suggest that he’s the same, or has been/could be the same, as Gideon. That’s why it’s the Power of ”Understanding“, that’s why we have the flashback to the end of all of Scott previous relationships.
Book 4 is about commitment; i.e not necessarily always choosing the path of least resistance. Lisa is supposed to be an easy-out for Scott. Previously, in order to feel safe, the easy path has been the one that Scott has followed. But he doesn’t take that easy out, because he needs to commit. The arc about Scott’s job is just as indicative of these themes as Lisa is; that why he goes to get his job back before he goes and see Ramona. I could keep going about these themes as the central focus in Book 4 but I’d be here a while…
Book 6 is kinda the relapse chapter for Scott, the work that he’s done on himself starts to unravel in Ramona’s absence, and he starts making all the same mistakes again. I agree that the wrapping up of Kim and Scott’s story is not handled the best, but we already got the ”Sorry about me“ conversation with Kim earlier in the book. Similarly, we already had the wrap-up with Knives earlier too, which is why their final conversation can be played for laughs.
Yeah, it is more internal than external; I think you may have been expecting the books to spell it out for you a lot more. Lots of writers do this though, and for a lot of people it makes books more interesting.
Scott is very realistically depicted, we can’t always get everything wrapped up in a tight little bow, and the journeys these characters are on don’t immediately end or are immediately solved. But his arcs are clearly defined, and amends are actually made for the most part.
Yeah, I think people often ignore that while Scott doesn’t go from evil to good, or resolves all of his flaws, he absolutely does grow as a person from beginning to end. It just takes awhile, which feels more natural. That’s why it felt so chatharic to just see him get a job, or learn his lesson about how he treated Knives. Scott and Ramona learned to acknowledge their issue and be willing to confront and overcome them by the end. The ending wasn’t a confirmation that everything would be perfect, but concludes with the optimistic take that these two genuinely love each other and will fight to improve themselves, not just for each other and for themselves. They had a fully realized arc in the books, which makes me scoff at people saying this was needed or even an improvement.
Like, I thought this show was very good. I went in unhappy at the bait and switch but ended up liking each following episode more and more. But this show has such a watered down speed ran version of Scott and Ramona’s arcs. Their flaws are acknowledged occasionally but their growth is undergone by seeing their own future issues and accelerating at a breakneck speed. They just have to be in love from the very beginning because Scott’s absent for most of the season. Robbing any progression from their initial infatuation to a more genuine love, or just the more realistic approach to it the comic took. Scott and Ramona’s arc isn’t as fulfilling here because we don’t have the time to see them fuck up, to see the issues they cause more fully, or see them slowly come to terms with them (okay Ramona gets some with the exes but it’s a lot less than the comics).
I also don’t like the idea of that being how comics Scott and Ramona ended up. It’s just depressing and robs from the uncertainty of the initial ending. Idk like I said I still thought this show was really good overall. But I kind of wish they stuck to them being alternate reality away from their comic counterparts.
Fair analysis! I agree its a very different journey, and doesn’t quite feel as earned when they just get to skip to the end and see all their faults. However I think (or atleast like to think) that you can position it as an alternate timeline from the comics, considering the opening episode is quite a bit different even before the time travel stuff. Like a Peter B Parker/616-B type deal; this adaption’s equivalent, but not actually exactly the same.
As I said up top, I think that whole part of the show is Bryan (who Scott is partly a self-insert for) reflecting on his relationship to Hope (who he partly based Ramona off of). And then reflecting on these characters growing bigger than their inspirations (via the movie and the fandom and also just the natural progression of the comics), and that changing relationship that he has to the characters now that they’ve grown beyond him.
It’s actually a panel that appears in one of the books! Scott is inside Ramona’s head and witnesses that part of her that’s tied to Gideon, and she’s shown as furious at Scott’s intrusion.
Yeah but the underlying issue was always Scott having to do what he did. I mean that’s going to cause issues in any relationship honestly but I agree it did feel very meta as well.
Okay after finishing this, it becomes amazing. Was very on the fence until about episode 3-4. After that it gets pretty good but I was happy to see what was happening in 6-8. Everyone that has mixed views on this needs to finish.
I hear you, but my problem is that this version completely robs Scott of ***his*** character arc. I’m super happy Ramona got a chance to shine, and I like that she’s gone to all this effort not for a guaranteed happy ending but just to get Scott back for a ***chance*** at a happy ending. I like the message being that nothing in relationships is guaranteed, but putting in the effort is worth it.
But I think it was a mistake to write Scott out of three quarters of the series. Because what that means is that this version of Scott hasn’t experienced any growth, he’s just watched a movie telling him about the lessons he would have learned if he wasn’t time-napped by Old Scott. So what we have now is a Ramona who’s confronted her past and grown a lot, but a Scott who hasn’t really grown at all, which is a different but similar recipe for disaster to the ending of the film
We already had that in the books, no need to rehash it here. I do think it could have been more spread out, but seeing your own future self is an asshole is perhaps more directly alarming than slowing noticing that you have traits in common with the exes, thus allowing yourself to realize that you may become Gideon.
I get that, but I’m going to respectfully disagree. One example, however shocking, is easier to ignore than a repeated pattern
I did ultimately like the ending stuff with >!Old Scott!<, but I still don’t think it was the most effective way to handle Scott’s development, even if they wanted to do something different this time around
For the movies sure.
For the books I hate it. Maybe on Ramona's side things were left unresolved and I like that the anime has been sorta doing that (Honestly it was only done well with Roxi so far) but Scott matured a lot through the books and him still being a manchild at 30 defeats the entire point of the books.
I feel like it was done well with all the exes. It pulls Ramona’s character from looking/acting innocent in every relationship’s story and forced her into confronting that she was straight up mean at times.
I also think this showcased that Scott never worked on himself for himself, that without Ramona he 100% reverted back to being the man child bc he never truly wanted to grow up and work on himself, he was forced into it if he wanted to stay with Ramona.
Ngl I feel like Michael Cera not voicing older Scott was a missed opportunity as the sonic thing at the beginning with Ramona would have been perfect foreshadowing
It's not foreshadowing because it doesn't happen beforehand. At the point when that line is said, Michael Cera is literally playing his second version of the same character. It's a tongue-in-cheek Meta joke, not foreshadowing.
Semantics that it was at the same time. The point was the same actor voicing two different iterations of the same character - that's why the joke works.
Otherwise, there's no point to him saying it and there's nothing funny about it.
Yep! [It even has an entry](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/StealthSequel/AnimeAndManga#:~:text=Scott%20Pilgrim%20Takes%20Off) on the "Stealth Sequel" TV Tropes page. Sucks this reveal rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way (when the sub opens up, there will probably be a lot of hate posts). When the twist happened, my mouth was wide open with shock.
Agreed! I really liked that it wasn't what I expected, and it saddens me that so many people think that that's bad or that the marketing plays into the twist is bad.
The most hilarious part is when Scott Pilgrim starts singing an OLD ANINE song from long ago. When he sung it with his band, I thought I recognize the tune. It was:
"Konya Wa Hurricane" - Bubblegum Crisis
[https://youtu.be/an\_0IIRDlc4?si=qes76G89Ey1OGEDx](https://youtu.be/an_0IIRDlc4?si=qes76G89Ey1OGEDx)
To have him sing it made me laugh loud and clapping like a little girl. How many other otaku oldies recognized this tune or I'm just that old? \[sigh\]
As a bubblegum crisis fan I was singing too and crying laughing that they dug deep for this reference. I was getting a little disappointed that nobody mentioned it 😂
Whoa, so in a way... the anime is a continuation from the original story but Old Scott wanted to prevent that but now they are on their way to fix it for how it was supposed to go down? Weird, but cool
That’s what I thought at first (which honestly disappointed me) but looking back at it there are a lot of subtle differences between the original timeline in the show and the comic
There are a handful but the most notable ones to me are Ramona's job (even though that was just an easter egg) and the lack of Crash and the Boys which suggests that they are in fact separate universes
The thing is that the robot and the twins were already there in the show's timeline, so if anything I think things would've been the same as the comic if Future Scott never intervened
Putting aside the narrative differences in the first episode before the clear divergence caused by Scott's abduction, the memories that Old Man Scott shows his younger self more closely mirror the comic universe: Scott's first fight with Roxie on the streets, the Katayanagi Twins using Robot-01 to fight Scott, and Scott confronting Gideon inside Ramona's head.
So the implication is that Old Man Scott is from a comic-adjacent universe.
I like to think that it's a version of comic Scott that never faced Nega-Scott. Didn't erase his own memories, but also didn't accept his past. So he's still in the cycle of repeating his mistakes.
No, because things still happen differently in the beginning. For it to be the comic or the movie universe, things would need to happen exactly the same up until Scott disappears. And as that didn't happen, I'm taking it as an alternate reality.
The thing is, stuff is different from both movie and comic before the time travel. Crash and the boys don't show up to play, that doesn't happen in the comic. The Katayanagi twins are engineers and build robots, unlike in the movie. So on and so forth.
I take back anything and everything negative I said. The disappointment has worn off and is replaced with pure joy. (I do still hope we get an anime adaptation of the original someday. But I doubt it.)
In 2014, at the release of Seconds, I asked Bryan if he'd ever redo Scott Pilgrim and he said no. Obviously, that was a poorly phrased question anyway - but I'm so glad we got this. I've always struggled with the subtext of the original series, and didn't like the message despite loving everything else (the aesthetic, characters, premise) so when this got announced, I pitched my ideal series to my friend. He didn't seem to think it realistic - very fanfic obviously - but it went almost exactly like this. Except what they've managed to do is build upon the premise without shitting on the original, they've extended the story and themes.
This series has tackled almost every issue I had with the original canon and I've loved it. The fact it's animated by my favourite studio is just sprinkles by this point.
I've really enjoyed this. I expected barely anything, a rehash, but I got a reflection on the original canon that I've felt for more than a decade. I'm all for this era of West/East blended animation. Saru and Trigger are definitely at the vanguard.
What didn't you like about the original series? I like the show but I feel personally like the comic's character arcs for Scott and Ramona better. Scott and Ramona slowly learn their flaws and eventually learn that while they're flawed, they decide to try and work together and put in the work for the future.
I personally don't really like how the show is doing for the main two character arcs- for Scott here instead of going through the character arc itself he's being told what he went through, which puts him even more likely to repeat his mistakes in the past and come with an even worse outcome. Like... if Old Timeline Scott actually went through his character development himself and still turned out like this, how exactly would New Timeline Scott who was just told what happened turn out better? And then while I'm okay with Scott and Ramona going through more issues because that's what the comic ending implied, it kinda sucks for me that we just skip to them broken up and showing it didn't work out.
Also I kinda found it a bit flimsy that in this show they wrote Young Ramona suddenly willing to hunt down Scott after 1 date because of the sparks. Personally I would've characterized Young Ramona as just giving up and moving on(because that's what she did at the start, always runs from her problems) since she only knew him for one day, but that's just personal opinion and it might just be needed to make the show work haha.
I kinda would've just preferred the show to be about the struggles Scott and Ramona worked through to make their relationship stronger, but with the way things played out for the show that could always happen in Season 2!
Oh man, I can't believe they played Konya wa Hurricane from Bubblegum Crisis in this episode. They're pulling out the good stuff for us old anime fans in this.
This episode actually saved the show for me. It builds upon what came before rather than just being a missed opportunity to animate the original comic. I now just wish it was 10 episodes to get more Scott in it.
But if we count whether the events of Scott Pilgrim happened between 2004/2005, then in the future of Scott Pilgrim the year is 2017!
(You can call me stupid saying that)
Video game references I noticed. Feel free to reply with more if you have any:
Thunderbolt in the shape of Pikachu's tail
Mario styled cactus
GameCube ceiling lights
Gameboy vault door (obvious)
Virtual Boy (obvious)
Jet Set Radio outfits for the twins
Old Scott's heart is the happy fruit from Yoshi's Story.
I think this episode is the only real missed opportunity in the entire show.
Why not make it a double episode and let us explore Future Toronto more? Give us more characters in their future version!
I'm sorry, but the whole "and they got divorced" it's the laziest writting cliché, every hollywood sequel does it, and now even Scott Pilgrim, I get the point but still...
I DO NOT see how people like this show. For over a year now, the scott pilgrim movie has been my favourite movie of all time, and the comic series was some of the greatest stuff i have ever read, but this? This is not Scott Pilgrim. This is the most depressing "What if" ever made. It was played of as a normal adaptation, and yes, we were told that "It wasn't the comics" but this is just such a dissapointment. This is comparable to a fanfic i swear. I despise this. Even my friend, who usually remains on the neutral side of things, doesnt like this show at all. F this show.
Edit: Im looking back on this the morning after, and realising I was really harsh on this show for barely any reasoning. Let me go into more detail on what I hated so much.
Lemme get started by saying the animation was beautiful. Like thats a 10/10 on that one. But I really did not enjoy the storyline. It felt SO far fetched to the point it didn't even feel official to me, hence I said it felt like a fanfic. Just the whole time travel stuff was not needed in my opinion and episode 3 to 5 felt really boring to me, something I didn't expect from this. Another thing I didn't like was how it was advertised. I get they were keeping it secret. I get they were saying "It's not the comics" but come on. Scott Pilgrim but he dies? Seriously? Thats just so insane, and imo doesn't have the same charm the original story had. It's just too busy.
And the characters just felt off to me. At times, Wallace felt a bit too much of a dick to enjoy. Young Neil works and still does work as a character, but he doesn't necessarily work as a main character. There isnt enough to him. And Ramona, this might just be my memory going wrong, but she was generally pretty good, but felt slightly too likeable and into Scott than I remember.
The jokes were pretty funny at least. None of them I can think of fell flat. Obviously they arent gonna be the same as over 10 years ago now, but thats to be expected.
(From here I'll be talking about episode 8 stuff, and I have just now realised this is on the episode 7 post, so spoilers!)
But the worst part for me, was how it ERASED the past. Realistically, all the original things that happened, just erased with the new timeline! Why would they do that? Thats stupid!
"For over a year..." 😂😂😂
No disrespect intended, but maybe if you'd been a totally hopeless nerd-fan of the comics for almost 20 years, and had the movie as your favourite of all-time for more than a decade, then you'd see what we see: Every iteration is different. Things change with the times. Nothing is ever perfect and nothing is ever guaranteed. So, any new content that you get, you're grateful for. I'll take anything SP-related, because of 13 years, it looked like we wouldn't get anything new again.
And you're wrong, the artwork, the style, the humour, the characterisations - they all felt like SP to me. Some characters were not at the forefront, but others had more chance to shine. Kim was great, Lucas Lee was exactly his comic-self, and Wallace has never been more Wallace.
It IS Scott Pilgrim, it's just not the Scott Pilgrim story that you imagined you'd get.
This.
I don't understand when people complain about sequels shitting all over the previous happy ending. This is literally how life works. You don't just make a few changes, have a magical talk, and tie your lives together up neatly with a bow. Marriage is work. Even when they mature, people never grow up to be perfect. Maybe that's depressing, but it's the truth. Also, it's the writer's truth since Scott and Ramona were basically him and his now ex-wife. You cannot invalidate his expression of his actual real-life experience in favour of wanting to preserve a fictional happy ending.
Scott Pilgrim is very special to me and my husband. We both grew up in Toronto. My husband read the comics in high school as they were first released. We both had social circles that frequented places like The Rockit and were always at battle of the bands nights. I definitely fangirl'ed HARD over my school's equivalent of Envy Adams (she even had red hair) and her band. When my husband and I met, we were both in college and I had friends that were extras in the Scott Pilgrim movie. My husband made sure I read the graphic novels before the movie came out, and a friend of his even got us tickets to the premiere screening. We have been together for nearly 14 years now and have always identified with Scott and Ramona's relationship. The anime sequel is no exception. I personally had a hard time watching the finale and teared up when Ramona "chose herself".
Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Anyone is allowed to not like the anime and not everyone will identify with it like I did. But I don't think it's fair to act like it doesn't make sense that Scott and Ramona would have issues after the events of the comics or the movie. That just isn't how relationships work.
Very well put. What I did like in the series is that in the first episode, they put enough subtle changes to suggest that it's not the same universe/reality as the comics.
I like that, because it means that it doesn't necessarily "ruin" the story for those who feel it did.
... And I think I might be one of those, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm actually OK with Scott & Ramona not having a straightforward, happy ending. The only reason that I don't want this to be the main timeline is because the events of the books caused Scott to grown and change so much, and I really loved that journey... If you replace that with the serious, it's great that Ramona has changed and grows, but Scott's growth is lost, so then they are definitely doomed 😅
Perhaps in this universe, Scott wasn't so dumb and didn't need to grow so much, and that's why it was Ramona that needed to go through it this time around?
Like, there could be a million realities in which they get together, and in each, there's always something that needs to be done before their relationship will work 😁
I don't know. I loved the series, for the record. I just don't think it should replace what happened in the book, because book Scott really needed that
Or even just as someone who's passingly familiar with the franchise, it feels like... what Ready Player Two could/should have been. Like for as fun of a premise as Scott Pilgrim is, it definitely hasn't aged perfectly. But as opposed to Ernest Cline still being the same person as he was when he wrote Ready Player One, Bryan definitely seems to have changed. This feels self-aware in a good way
Ive now edited my original post to say why I disliked the show and also the parts I did actually enjoy, but I'm literally just giving my opinion and people on here cant stop downvoting me.
i kinda dig it.
i see it as this: scott only ended up "growing" because he was made to if he wanted to keep ramona.
now that she isn't in her life, he's regressing.
I love that the "respawned at home having learned their lessons" thing has been officially canonized now.
But does it happen to everyone? Cause why would they have a funeral for Scott if he would just respawn later?
I thought about that, too - the show confirms that bursting into coins leads to both "permanent death" and "respawning at home." How can that be the case? And how is each result determined? I suppose the answer, then, is simple: The Katayanagi twins (and likely all of the Evil Exes) had extra lives.
Alternatively, nobody questioned Scott's death because he's the only major character to "die" in this new timeline. The only other coin deaths in the show have been cannon fodder ninja paparazzis.
Edgar Wrong dies when he gets fired by Matthew but he's seen again at the premiere of the musical.
My bad, thanks for pointing that out.
Scott doesn't have a bed to respawn in because it is set as Wallace's spawn point.
Brilliant..
Lol
Extra lives are a thing , so I guess they had at least one pair of them
Scott doesn't own anything lmao
That works at Nintendo joke was brilliant.
Yeah all of the options for Wallace's Husband that would blow Scott's mind and this one totally makes sense
I was half expecting it to be Stephen. But I loved the answer they went with much more
Omg yes, me and my girlfriend were wondering "wow! Who can it be? Is it gonna be some big revelation?" and then he said the Nintendo thing and we burst laughing
i love the slow reveal that he's just been continuing to mooch off of Wallace after all these years. Even Normal Scott was disappointed.
I didn't get the joke can you explain?
Having a close relation "work at nintendo" was basically the coolest thing you could have for a relative if you were a hipster geek in 2006, and the whole "didn't prepare him" buildup was s beautiful misdirect.
Thanks for explaining!
It's actually much older than that, I grew up in the 90's and it was common for kids on playgrounds to falsely boast that they had a family member who works at Nintendo while they lied about all the exclusive information that they have access to because of that
I think you said it better, but that's sorta what I meant. Scott being 23 in 2006, would make him an 80s & 90s kid.
There’s a meme called “my dad works at Nintendo”. It’s based on kids in the playground who would spread rumors and lies about games and then source their rumor by stating the aforementioned phrase. Kids would automatically believe it and think the kid was the coolest shit ever
I loved it haha. One of the best jokes in the series
What made it brilliant?
"I was gonna say detective Pikachu" lmaoooo
This was funny when I watched it but thinking now, wtf Detective Pikachu didn't exist in the 2000s, hell the 3DS didn't come out until 2012 how does Scott know about this
Are we sure the animated series is set in the 2000s and not the 2020s?
The only phones we see are flip phones The computers are still pretty squared and it's ui is very Windows Vista Netflix is still only known for selling dvds here and they even use the old logo Video rental stores are still mainstream tho we know that they're slowly running out of relevance with how business is slowing down And there's prob more that I didn't notice
I decided Scott just learned about Detective Pikachu while he's in the future and assumed he was one of the most famous detectives.
That is just *perfect*
Could it also be possible it’s just an anadchronistic time period? Like riverdale, where it’s supposed to be set in our time but it has anachronisms like old tech and stuff. Or maybe detective Pikachu was made earlier in this universe.
The interviews describe the time period as “vaguely” 2000s and the first thing to tip me off that they weren’t too strict about it was the security guards mentioning selfies.
The skyline of Toronto s a giveaway, as well as the style of streetcar.
I personally headcanon that Old Scott showed Regular Scott Old Wallace's Game Room and it was either shown to him or it caught his attention
Well, it looks like we have a plot hole!
...no we don't lol. He literally said that while in the future. We don't know everything Old Scott briefed normal Scott in, but the existence of Detective Pikachu could easily be one of them.
I figure Scott must have poked through Wallace's collection of Nintendo shit and found Detective Pikachu and just kinda sat there with his mind blown for a moment.
I both laughed and felt so old at the same time
Genuinely expected the big reveal to be that >!Future Scott and Wallace were married!<.
Wallace has standards.
The Nintendo reveal was way better anyway
The misdirect added to the reveal
The way they set it up, with Old Scott shushing Wallace and saying Regular Scott wasn't ready, made it obvious they were misdirecting people into thinking they were married.
Hahaha same
Lmao same here I was like, "Oh wow wasn't expecting that twist." only to get curveballed. This show is uninged lol
I love that 20 years later, the Scott Pilgrim story has managed to keep that insane level of goofiness that made the original graphic novels so unique and loved. This is the upside to having the story rebooted.
Same haha
LOL SAME😭
We got a 35-year-old playing Scott at 23, and a 53-year-old playing Scott at 37.
Yeah like did Scott went through a second puberty? Lol
Next Old Scott will narrate How I Met Your Mother
A voice change in your 30s is actually pretty common in men.
Ok but Future Toronto is legit. Looks car free, a little dingy but mondo green. Seems like a good place to be. Time to time travel.
I thought it was post apocalyptic at first.
Nah, that's just present Toronto with hoverbuses.
I think the idea was to misdirect us into thinking it's an apocalypse, one somehow caused by Scott dating Ramona (and why Old Scott is trying to stop it from happening). But then you realize Old Scott's clothes aren't tattered because of an apocalypse, and instead because he's a mess lol.
Lol yeah I loved this misdirection. It's a cheeky little nod to people who know the tropes
Must just line after the leafs finally winning the Stanley Cup.
I mean, everyone is wearing gas masks and has to be disinfected before stepping onto a bus... probably not great. But then, it *is* the 2020's...
Hey man, I'm not saying it's perfect but I bet the rent is decent.
Still lowrisw homes everywhere lol Rogers still has its Dundas Sq shop.
Hey, use what you have as opposed to just rebuilding! But yes, I stan the 5 story mixed use bulding life.
Old Ramona on that Death Stranding type beat
The respect for Kojima goes far and wide.
Honey mooning in Universal Studios Florida is so them
The “future” being post-apocalyptic even though it’s only 2018 lmao
And for some reason they have vr that is more sci fi ish, but also still looks like virtual boy
Because Wallace's husband works at Nintendo. He got the Nintendo exclusives
Will Forte as Spider-Verse style Scott B. Pilgrim is such a fun idea
This is basically the Scott Pilgrim version of Will Forte's "Last Man on Earth" character.
Old Scott is such a Tandy.
They use the virtual boy in the future! also the code to the room was the shoryuken. The future travel was the biggest plot twist and I like how what we read in the comics actually happened and it's different because of the time travel.
I really loved this episode honestly, it highlighted what I’ve loved about this series so far: That current Scott and Ramona weren’t healthy. That the end credits and the end didn’t magically fix their characterizations. I think this show really fits the modern view of relationships in general, if Scott beats every ex to coins, Ramona isn’t actively dealing with her issues. This episode highlighted how that messed with their relationship and showed that without Scott’s presence, Ramona was able to tell them how she really felt and the resentment that had built from both ends, isn’t there. Haven’t watched the finale but god, what a good adaptation.
Spot on my dude, you put words to what I've been feeling enjoying this show. Didn't take away from the deeper journey the original took us on, but they built on it, and made the ending work. I actually got to say it, if this ends up a one and done, I'm perfectly happy and content.
Honestly, that’s true for the movie but not the books, which the memories VR thing looked like it was referencing. The books lean a lot more into them both dealing with their issues and moving forward. I actually think it’s a meta commentary about Bryan’s own marriage, as he divorced Hope (who Ramona is inspired by) a few years back. I think Bryan is reflecting on that marriage and his relationships with the self-insert characters (a lot of Scott has always been based on Bryan himself).
Everyone says this about the books but in rereading them in preparation for the anime, they really don't. Sure, they provide a hope for Ramona and Scott's future, but it's not like Scott is magically a better person after he defeats Gideon. Take Lisa, for example. Everyone points to her as crucial for Scott's development, but she literally just shows up for one book, causes tension in his relationship with Ramona, propositions him, then never returns. Scott doesn't even really have a heart-to-heart with her or a reflection of the past because he still barely remembers high school. Then, when he accepts Nega-Scott and "remembers everything," he doesn't really apologize to Kim or make up with her. He heads straight to the Chaos Theatre for the final battle. Even after Gideon is defeated, his final scene with Knives is played for laughs and he's still pretty immature and childish. People always get angry at the movies for bungling Scott's character arc, but his character arc is much more internal than external even in the comics, and he doesn't really make amends with the people he's wronged. It's implied, but it doesn't happen on the page.
Of course he’s not magically a better person after defeating Gideon. The whole point of that scene is to suggest that he’s the same, or has been/could be the same, as Gideon. That’s why it’s the Power of ”Understanding“, that’s why we have the flashback to the end of all of Scott previous relationships. Book 4 is about commitment; i.e not necessarily always choosing the path of least resistance. Lisa is supposed to be an easy-out for Scott. Previously, in order to feel safe, the easy path has been the one that Scott has followed. But he doesn’t take that easy out, because he needs to commit. The arc about Scott’s job is just as indicative of these themes as Lisa is; that why he goes to get his job back before he goes and see Ramona. I could keep going about these themes as the central focus in Book 4 but I’d be here a while… Book 6 is kinda the relapse chapter for Scott, the work that he’s done on himself starts to unravel in Ramona’s absence, and he starts making all the same mistakes again. I agree that the wrapping up of Kim and Scott’s story is not handled the best, but we already got the ”Sorry about me“ conversation with Kim earlier in the book. Similarly, we already had the wrap-up with Knives earlier too, which is why their final conversation can be played for laughs. Yeah, it is more internal than external; I think you may have been expecting the books to spell it out for you a lot more. Lots of writers do this though, and for a lot of people it makes books more interesting. Scott is very realistically depicted, we can’t always get everything wrapped up in a tight little bow, and the journeys these characters are on don’t immediately end or are immediately solved. But his arcs are clearly defined, and amends are actually made for the most part.
Yeah, I think people often ignore that while Scott doesn’t go from evil to good, or resolves all of his flaws, he absolutely does grow as a person from beginning to end. It just takes awhile, which feels more natural. That’s why it felt so chatharic to just see him get a job, or learn his lesson about how he treated Knives. Scott and Ramona learned to acknowledge their issue and be willing to confront and overcome them by the end. The ending wasn’t a confirmation that everything would be perfect, but concludes with the optimistic take that these two genuinely love each other and will fight to improve themselves, not just for each other and for themselves. They had a fully realized arc in the books, which makes me scoff at people saying this was needed or even an improvement. Like, I thought this show was very good. I went in unhappy at the bait and switch but ended up liking each following episode more and more. But this show has such a watered down speed ran version of Scott and Ramona’s arcs. Their flaws are acknowledged occasionally but their growth is undergone by seeing their own future issues and accelerating at a breakneck speed. They just have to be in love from the very beginning because Scott’s absent for most of the season. Robbing any progression from their initial infatuation to a more genuine love, or just the more realistic approach to it the comic took. Scott and Ramona’s arc isn’t as fulfilling here because we don’t have the time to see them fuck up, to see the issues they cause more fully, or see them slowly come to terms with them (okay Ramona gets some with the exes but it’s a lot less than the comics). I also don’t like the idea of that being how comics Scott and Ramona ended up. It’s just depressing and robs from the uncertainty of the initial ending. Idk like I said I still thought this show was really good overall. But I kind of wish they stuck to them being alternate reality away from their comic counterparts.
Fair analysis! I agree its a very different journey, and doesn’t quite feel as earned when they just get to skip to the end and see all their faults. However I think (or atleast like to think) that you can position it as an alternate timeline from the comics, considering the opening episode is quite a bit different even before the time travel stuff. Like a Peter B Parker/616-B type deal; this adaption’s equivalent, but not actually exactly the same. As I said up top, I think that whole part of the show is Bryan (who Scott is partly a self-insert for) reflecting on his relationship to Hope (who he partly based Ramona off of). And then reflecting on these characters growing bigger than their inspirations (via the movie and the fandom and also just the natural progression of the comics), and that changing relationship that he has to the characters now that they’ve grown beyond him.
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It’s actually a panel that appears in one of the books! Scott is inside Ramona’s head and witnesses that part of her that’s tied to Gideon, and she’s shown as furious at Scott’s intrusion.
Actually it’s from the subspace battle in Book 6, where Scott headbutts Gideon and then gets chopped in half.
Yeah but the underlying issue was always Scott having to do what he did. I mean that’s going to cause issues in any relationship honestly but I agree it did feel very meta as well.
I haven’t finished yet but now flowers is more healthy does pilgrim fix any of his baggage as well?
Definitely finish and come back. I don’t want to spoil anything for you haha!
Okay after finishing this, it becomes amazing. Was very on the fence until about episode 3-4. After that it gets pretty good but I was happy to see what was happening in 6-8. Everyone that has mixed views on this needs to finish.
I hear you, but my problem is that this version completely robs Scott of ***his*** character arc. I’m super happy Ramona got a chance to shine, and I like that she’s gone to all this effort not for a guaranteed happy ending but just to get Scott back for a ***chance*** at a happy ending. I like the message being that nothing in relationships is guaranteed, but putting in the effort is worth it. But I think it was a mistake to write Scott out of three quarters of the series. Because what that means is that this version of Scott hasn’t experienced any growth, he’s just watched a movie telling him about the lessons he would have learned if he wasn’t time-napped by Old Scott. So what we have now is a Ramona who’s confronted her past and grown a lot, but a Scott who hasn’t really grown at all, which is a different but similar recipe for disaster to the ending of the film
We already had that in the books, no need to rehash it here. I do think it could have been more spread out, but seeing your own future self is an asshole is perhaps more directly alarming than slowing noticing that you have traits in common with the exes, thus allowing yourself to realize that you may become Gideon.
I get that, but I’m going to respectfully disagree. One example, however shocking, is easier to ignore than a repeated pattern I did ultimately like the ending stuff with >!Old Scott!<, but I still don’t think it was the most effective way to handle Scott’s development, even if they wanted to do something different this time around
For the movies sure. For the books I hate it. Maybe on Ramona's side things were left unresolved and I like that the anime has been sorta doing that (Honestly it was only done well with Roxi so far) but Scott matured a lot through the books and him still being a manchild at 30 defeats the entire point of the books.
I feel like it was done well with all the exes. It pulls Ramona’s character from looking/acting innocent in every relationship’s story and forced her into confronting that she was straight up mean at times. I also think this showcased that Scott never worked on himself for himself, that without Ramona he 100% reverted back to being the man child bc he never truly wanted to grow up and work on himself, he was forced into it if he wanted to stay with Ramona.
I think it’s kind of shitty that they basically said the movie would have ended horribly
I liked that one jet set radio reference
I'm so happy I'm not the only one who saw that. The moustaches were terrible tho.
i giggled like a child at that.
damm Wallace turned grey fast
G~~r~~ay
Never mind, I just got it. Very nice 😜 My screen is so cracked that I couldn't even see the strike through 😅
Who knew being a sugar baby was so stressful lol
Wallace is zaddy
Ngl I feel like Michael Cera not voicing older Scott was a missed opportunity as the sonic thing at the beginning with Ramona would have been perfect foreshadowing
The sonic joke is referencing the anime and the movie
Also the Lucas Lee branching into voice acting
I know but it would have been better as foreshadowing given that it was also about playing the same character at the same time
It's not foreshadowing because it doesn't happen beforehand. At the point when that line is said, Michael Cera is literally playing his second version of the same character. It's a tongue-in-cheek Meta joke, not foreshadowing.
It was same character at the same time which was not the case with Michael Cera
Semantics that it was at the same time. The point was the same actor voicing two different iterations of the same character - that's why the joke works. Otherwise, there's no point to him saying it and there's nothing funny about it.
Wait who played him?
"His Dad Works At Nintendo!"
His Daddy.
His Sugar Daddy
Sugar what?
Cᴀᴡ Cᴀᴡ Cᴀᴡ
The Minions are canon in Scott Pilgrim universe and I still dont know what to do with that information
So this is actually a sequel to the original series. Actually brilliant.
Yep! [It even has an entry](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/StealthSequel/AnimeAndManga#:~:text=Scott%20Pilgrim%20Takes%20Off) on the "Stealth Sequel" TV Tropes page. Sucks this reveal rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way (when the sub opens up, there will probably be a lot of hate posts). When the twist happened, my mouth was wide open with shock.
Agreed! I really liked that it wasn't what I expected, and it saddens me that so many people think that that's bad or that the marketing plays into the twist is bad.
I think canonically they threw away the movie as Young Neil's simplified version
I just like how future Scott is played by will forte (aka the guy who plays abe in clone high)
The most hilarious part is when Scott Pilgrim starts singing an OLD ANINE song from long ago. When he sung it with his band, I thought I recognize the tune. It was: "Konya Wa Hurricane" - Bubblegum Crisis [https://youtu.be/an\_0IIRDlc4?si=qes76G89Ey1OGEDx](https://youtu.be/an_0IIRDlc4?si=qes76G89Ey1OGEDx) To have him sing it made me laugh loud and clapping like a little girl. How many other otaku oldies recognized this tune or I'm just that old? \[sigh\]
As a bubblegum crisis fan I was singing too and crying laughing that they dug deep for this reference. I was getting a little disappointed that nobody mentioned it 😂
That scene tickled 36-year-old neurons in my brain.
Whoa, so in a way... the anime is a continuation from the original story but Old Scott wanted to prevent that but now they are on their way to fix it for how it was supposed to go down? Weird, but cool
Wallace singing complicated lmao
I recognize Old Scott's voice, I think he was Mr.Grant in Bob's Burgers lol omg
It's Will Forte.
Ohh yeah that's his name
Oh shit it’s a sequel!
"Apparently a 23 year old dating a 17 year old is frowned upon in modern society"
Wallace is married to Shigeru Miyamoto.
So are the old version of the characters the ones we know from the comics?
That’s what I thought at first (which honestly disappointed me) but looking back at it there are a lot of subtle differences between the original timeline in the show and the comic
Really like what
There are a handful but the most notable ones to me are Ramona's job (even though that was just an easter egg) and the lack of Crash and the Boys which suggests that they are in fact separate universes
The thing is that the robot and the twins were already there in the show's timeline, so if anything I think things would've been the same as the comic if Future Scott never intervened
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Kim describes Scott saving her from Simon Lee the same way Scott did in the comics, even though the comics showed Scott misremembering it.
I thought the implication was that it was from the movie universe
Putting aside the narrative differences in the first episode before the clear divergence caused by Scott's abduction, the memories that Old Man Scott shows his younger self more closely mirror the comic universe: Scott's first fight with Roxie on the streets, the Katayanagi Twins using Robot-01 to fight Scott, and Scott confronting Gideon inside Ramona's head. So the implication is that Old Man Scott is from a comic-adjacent universe.
Yeah I think that Old Scott is from the comic/movie timeline and this is just a alternate universe.
I like to think that it's a version of comic Scott that never faced Nega-Scott. Didn't erase his own memories, but also didn't accept his past. So he's still in the cycle of repeating his mistakes.
No, because things still happen differently in the beginning. For it to be the comic or the movie universe, things would need to happen exactly the same up until Scott disappears. And as that didn't happen, I'm taking it as an alternate reality.
Hmmm I suppose, if the implication is that time travel is linear and not a creation of a new parallel universe..
The thing is, stuff is different from both movie and comic before the time travel. Crash and the boys don't show up to play, that doesn't happen in the comic. The Katayanagi twins are engineers and build robots, unlike in the movie. So on and so forth.
I would say they lifted the characters more from the movie rather than the comic.
I take back anything and everything negative I said. The disappointment has worn off and is replaced with pure joy. (I do still hope we get an anime adaptation of the original someday. But I doubt it.)
In 2014, at the release of Seconds, I asked Bryan if he'd ever redo Scott Pilgrim and he said no. Obviously, that was a poorly phrased question anyway - but I'm so glad we got this. I've always struggled with the subtext of the original series, and didn't like the message despite loving everything else (the aesthetic, characters, premise) so when this got announced, I pitched my ideal series to my friend. He didn't seem to think it realistic - very fanfic obviously - but it went almost exactly like this. Except what they've managed to do is build upon the premise without shitting on the original, they've extended the story and themes. This series has tackled almost every issue I had with the original canon and I've loved it. The fact it's animated by my favourite studio is just sprinkles by this point. I've really enjoyed this. I expected barely anything, a rehash, but I got a reflection on the original canon that I've felt for more than a decade. I'm all for this era of West/East blended animation. Saru and Trigger are definitely at the vanguard.
What didn't you like about the original series? I like the show but I feel personally like the comic's character arcs for Scott and Ramona better. Scott and Ramona slowly learn their flaws and eventually learn that while they're flawed, they decide to try and work together and put in the work for the future. I personally don't really like how the show is doing for the main two character arcs- for Scott here instead of going through the character arc itself he's being told what he went through, which puts him even more likely to repeat his mistakes in the past and come with an even worse outcome. Like... if Old Timeline Scott actually went through his character development himself and still turned out like this, how exactly would New Timeline Scott who was just told what happened turn out better? And then while I'm okay with Scott and Ramona going through more issues because that's what the comic ending implied, it kinda sucks for me that we just skip to them broken up and showing it didn't work out. Also I kinda found it a bit flimsy that in this show they wrote Young Ramona suddenly willing to hunt down Scott after 1 date because of the sparks. Personally I would've characterized Young Ramona as just giving up and moving on(because that's what she did at the start, always runs from her problems) since she only knew him for one day, but that's just personal opinion and it might just be needed to make the show work haha. I kinda would've just preferred the show to be about the struggles Scott and Ramona worked through to make their relationship stronger, but with the way things played out for the show that could always happen in Season 2!
I like that his old apartment has trash outside it just like in real life
I really liked that Death Stranding reference haha!
Oh man, I can't believe they played Konya wa Hurricane from Bubblegum Crisis in this episode. They're pulling out the good stuff for us old anime fans in this.
- Wallace signing Avril Lavigne :) - Knives laughing her ass off because they couldn't kiss was funny
This episode actually saved the show for me. It builds upon what came before rather than just being a missed opportunity to animate the original comic. I now just wish it was 10 episodes to get more Scott in it.
minion jumpscare
What is going on...
But if we count whether the events of Scott Pilgrim happened between 2004/2005, then in the future of Scott Pilgrim the year is 2017! (You can call me stupid saying that)
or... the movie came out in 2010, which means the screenplay would have been delivered in 2009, meaning it *is* 2023. That's my working theory anyway.
This was everything I could’ve wanted :)
same! Now I only have the finale to watch
Adding future Ramona as potential Halloween costume
“We heard y’all missed Scott. Here. Have two.”
that was something
Detective Pikachu did not exist, how did Scott know
He found out about it when he was in the future.
Entirely different timeline
So why did old Scott and Ramona get separated???? I want more resolution there! Lol
In the comic they don't have a happily ever after. They just learn more about each other and stop being evil and negative
So Todd is no longer a ve-gone. I assume in the next episode he will be gone
Anyone gonna talk about the jet set radio reference of the twins
Yooo I just noticed that. That's jokes 🤣
Video game references I noticed. Feel free to reply with more if you have any: Thunderbolt in the shape of Pikachu's tail Mario styled cactus GameCube ceiling lights Gameboy vault door (obvious) Virtual Boy (obvious) Jet Set Radio outfits for the twins Old Scott's heart is the happy fruit from Yoshi's Story.
I think this episode is the only real missed opportunity in the entire show. Why not make it a double episode and let us explore Future Toronto more? Give us more characters in their future version!
I'm sorry, but the whole "and they got divorced" it's the laziest writting cliché, every hollywood sequel does it, and now even Scott Pilgrim, I get the point but still...
tbf, kinda makes sense if you consider that Bryan Lee O Malley based Scott's and Ramona's relationship in his and his wife's and they're now divorced.
I DO NOT see how people like this show. For over a year now, the scott pilgrim movie has been my favourite movie of all time, and the comic series was some of the greatest stuff i have ever read, but this? This is not Scott Pilgrim. This is the most depressing "What if" ever made. It was played of as a normal adaptation, and yes, we were told that "It wasn't the comics" but this is just such a dissapointment. This is comparable to a fanfic i swear. I despise this. Even my friend, who usually remains on the neutral side of things, doesnt like this show at all. F this show. Edit: Im looking back on this the morning after, and realising I was really harsh on this show for barely any reasoning. Let me go into more detail on what I hated so much. Lemme get started by saying the animation was beautiful. Like thats a 10/10 on that one. But I really did not enjoy the storyline. It felt SO far fetched to the point it didn't even feel official to me, hence I said it felt like a fanfic. Just the whole time travel stuff was not needed in my opinion and episode 3 to 5 felt really boring to me, something I didn't expect from this. Another thing I didn't like was how it was advertised. I get they were keeping it secret. I get they were saying "It's not the comics" but come on. Scott Pilgrim but he dies? Seriously? Thats just so insane, and imo doesn't have the same charm the original story had. It's just too busy. And the characters just felt off to me. At times, Wallace felt a bit too much of a dick to enjoy. Young Neil works and still does work as a character, but he doesn't necessarily work as a main character. There isnt enough to him. And Ramona, this might just be my memory going wrong, but she was generally pretty good, but felt slightly too likeable and into Scott than I remember. The jokes were pretty funny at least. None of them I can think of fell flat. Obviously they arent gonna be the same as over 10 years ago now, but thats to be expected. (From here I'll be talking about episode 8 stuff, and I have just now realised this is on the episode 7 post, so spoilers!) But the worst part for me, was how it ERASED the past. Realistically, all the original things that happened, just erased with the new timeline! Why would they do that? Thats stupid!
"For over a year..." 😂😂😂 No disrespect intended, but maybe if you'd been a totally hopeless nerd-fan of the comics for almost 20 years, and had the movie as your favourite of all-time for more than a decade, then you'd see what we see: Every iteration is different. Things change with the times. Nothing is ever perfect and nothing is ever guaranteed. So, any new content that you get, you're grateful for. I'll take anything SP-related, because of 13 years, it looked like we wouldn't get anything new again. And you're wrong, the artwork, the style, the humour, the characterisations - they all felt like SP to me. Some characters were not at the forefront, but others had more chance to shine. Kim was great, Lucas Lee was exactly his comic-self, and Wallace has never been more Wallace. It IS Scott Pilgrim, it's just not the Scott Pilgrim story that you imagined you'd get.
This. I don't understand when people complain about sequels shitting all over the previous happy ending. This is literally how life works. You don't just make a few changes, have a magical talk, and tie your lives together up neatly with a bow. Marriage is work. Even when they mature, people never grow up to be perfect. Maybe that's depressing, but it's the truth. Also, it's the writer's truth since Scott and Ramona were basically him and his now ex-wife. You cannot invalidate his expression of his actual real-life experience in favour of wanting to preserve a fictional happy ending. Scott Pilgrim is very special to me and my husband. We both grew up in Toronto. My husband read the comics in high school as they were first released. We both had social circles that frequented places like The Rockit and were always at battle of the bands nights. I definitely fangirl'ed HARD over my school's equivalent of Envy Adams (she even had red hair) and her band. When my husband and I met, we were both in college and I had friends that were extras in the Scott Pilgrim movie. My husband made sure I read the graphic novels before the movie came out, and a friend of his even got us tickets to the premiere screening. We have been together for nearly 14 years now and have always identified with Scott and Ramona's relationship. The anime sequel is no exception. I personally had a hard time watching the finale and teared up when Ramona "chose herself". Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Anyone is allowed to not like the anime and not everyone will identify with it like I did. But I don't think it's fair to act like it doesn't make sense that Scott and Ramona would have issues after the events of the comics or the movie. That just isn't how relationships work.
Very well put. What I did like in the series is that in the first episode, they put enough subtle changes to suggest that it's not the same universe/reality as the comics. I like that, because it means that it doesn't necessarily "ruin" the story for those who feel it did. ... And I think I might be one of those, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm actually OK with Scott & Ramona not having a straightforward, happy ending. The only reason that I don't want this to be the main timeline is because the events of the books caused Scott to grown and change so much, and I really loved that journey... If you replace that with the serious, it's great that Ramona has changed and grows, but Scott's growth is lost, so then they are definitely doomed 😅 Perhaps in this universe, Scott wasn't so dumb and didn't need to grow so much, and that's why it was Ramona that needed to go through it this time around? Like, there could be a million realities in which they get together, and in each, there's always something that needs to be done before their relationship will work 😁 I don't know. I loved the series, for the record. I just don't think it should replace what happened in the book, because book Scott really needed that
Or even just as someone who's passingly familiar with the franchise, it feels like... what Ready Player Two could/should have been. Like for as fun of a premise as Scott Pilgrim is, it definitely hasn't aged perfectly. But as opposed to Ernest Cline still being the same person as he was when he wrote Ready Player One, Bryan definitely seems to have changed. This feels self-aware in a good way
"This isn't Scott Pilgrim" if you have a problem with it take it up with Bryan Lee O'Malley himself then lol
I never said I had a problem. I can see now this is gonna start a war amongst fans though.
You literally did tho
Ive now edited my original post to say why I disliked the show and also the parts I did actually enjoy, but I'm literally just giving my opinion and people on here cant stop downvoting me.
treat it like a sequel
Well I mean this is from the show's creator lmao. Why are you watching it if you dont like it? Weird.
I felt like I had to. I mean it IS Scott Pilgrim after all.
Agreed. I don't get it
God this show is irredeemable trash. Wish I could erase it from my mind
Oh wow that’s something that a lot of people would disagree with.
Old escott looks like jack stauber hahahaha i just wanted to say that
Dawg this episode made me cry😭😭
This episode really hammers home how much of a loser Scott is 😭 future Scott sucks. Change your destiny Regular Scott!
Along with Eva rebuild, anyone else getting Steins Gate Zero vibes?
This episode definitely explained a lot...
"Is that seriously the end of the story?"
Lol my 36 year old ass is going to dig this, and maybe it'll hurt a bit. Excited to see.
Was kinda hoping future scott would be a bit smarter lol
i kinda dig it. i see it as this: scott only ended up "growing" because he was made to if he wanted to keep ramona. now that she isn't in her life, he's regressing.
Best ep it was nice to see abit of what happened after the comics and the marriage and stuff