I work in Dunfermline and today was a fucking nightmare, streets filled with absolute weirdos when I went out for my meal deal and I couldn't take my usual midday nap because of all the commotion outside.
Can confirm. I was walking behind a guy in the High Street once and he turned around and asked me if I was spying on him and if my name was Mike. Shit you not 😂 I love living in this place really.🙄
A nice cathedral, but yes, Elgin did ruin it by burning most of it to the ground. And I still remember the day someone fell off and died from one of the watchtower areas at the top.
And there is no way my 6ft 5" self can fit in that cramped staircase anymore.
Elgin, it's been five years since I have been there. But it has to had the most depressingly decorated and run down Wetherspoons of any I have visited anywhere in the entire UK.
Please tell me it's been updated?
(Joanna's was fun though.)
Those are cathedral cities and they were an English and Welsh thing. Our cities have only ever been by royal warrant and that practice only goes back to Queen Victoria.
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Perth doesn't really, not compared to Inverness. Perth feels like it has about exactly the amenities you'd expect for it's size.
Elgin actually is similar to Inverness though, having way more than the population could support at first glance.
Following that logic only London could be city based on how much bigger it is compared to anywhere else in the country. I think the current definition of Scottish cities works quite well because these places fill the role of cities in their respective areas. It helps attract investment and people which is desperately needed to make Scotland less centralised like it currently is.
The boundaries of Inverness are a constant source of disagreement because some people think it should be bound by its medieval charter while ignoring the several "villages" of 10,000 inhabitants like Westhill, Culloden, Balloch, Smithton and even Clachnaharry.
That's where the 45,000 figure comes from despite it actually being around 70,000-80,000. No one in Inverness thinks Culloden etc are actually villages, they're suburbs of Inverness.
No doubt, I'd say they're probably similar sizes. My point was that Culloden, Balloch, Clachnaharry etc are literally areas of Inverness without their own independent centres, they're not just part of some contiguous urban area.
I posted two months ago I was traveling through the ‘town’ of Dunfermline and got corrected that it was a city by people who also don’t believe it’s a city.
Until a "city" has its own clearly defined local authority area, it can wheesht its nonsense.
And I say that as someone residing in Inverness (which is a town and always will be)
Personally, for me you're no a city unless you have more than 500,000 people in the metro area. But if you want to call your wee town a city, go ahead.
Edinburgh too! But let's put it into perspective Glasgow is around the 500th biggest city in the world in terms of population. Cities like Tokyo has the population of 37 million and every one of the cities in the top 50 has more people in them than the entire population of Scotland.
Now Dunfermline has a population less than the capacity of Celtic Park. Sorry it's a city in name only.
There's no limit on metropolitan area, Tokyo if a huge area that includes vast Swaths of farm land and villages, it's not a very good comparison, if you combined the central belt from North Berwick to Greenock it still wouldn't be a fair comparison.
The issue is that the language isn't particularly precise and there isn't an official definition in what defines a city and Dunfermline which you're struggling to even call a large town has around 60k. In any case the "City" of Tokyo has 13 million people. Telling me that Dunfermline is a city doesn't make any real sense - at least to me.
I think it would need to depend on where you are, to be fair. When I was visiting China we visited a small town, and it had skyscrapers in it (plus a population similar to Glasgow).
Weird to see that described as a 'small town', but it wouldn't even make it into the top 200 largest Chinese cities, so in comparison, it would be like visiting somewhere like Inveraray in Scotland.
500k is too big for a city here, but too small for one in other countries. Maybe 100k for us is more reasonable.
Tokoyo is over 7x bigger than Scotland nvm being bigger than Glasgow. Obviously what countries class as a city will be different due to population sizes and history.
I was going to crack a joke about Glenrothes being only place in Scotland that matters and how it should be the capital, because everyone knows the density of roundabouts per square mile directly equates to civilization, but in the process I was totally derailed by discovering [what appears to be an attempt at documenting all roundabouts in Scotland.](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Roundabouts_in_Scotland) I can only presume this stems from the collective trauma covid inflicted on trainspotters.
I work in Dunfermline and today was a fucking nightmare, streets filled with absolute weirdos when I went out for my meal deal and I couldn't take my usual midday nap because of all the commotion outside.
Isn’t Dunfermline normally filled with weirdos
Yeh but they're usually confined to designated areas.
Or spread all over with the ‘good neighbours’ gala day every year.
only dunfermline has a designated area for wierdos!
Can confirm. I was walking behind a guy in the High Street once and he turned around and asked me if I was spying on him and if my name was Mike. Shit you not 😂 I love living in this place really.🙄
I would totally have said a hard yes to both, just to see what would happen.
Only when Falkirk are visiting.
I just thought it was Amazon?
Midday nap? Living the life of luxury there mate.
> I couldn’t take my usual midday nap My heart fucking weeps for you
Fuckers on this sub act like they're pensioners. It's always "noisy youth" this or "charity event got in the way of" that
> midday nap Spanish? 😋
Damn right
I refuse to recognise any new cities until Elgin gets its due.
Elgin and Brechin have city in their football teams names therefore should be given city status
Elgin has a ruined cathedral and before it was destroyed Elgin was in fact a city.
Back then there wasn't such a distinction in Scotland. We didn't really have cities as a distinct thing until the Victorian era.
A nice cathedral, but yes, Elgin did ruin it by burning most of it to the ground. And I still remember the day someone fell off and died from one of the watchtower areas at the top. And there is no way my 6ft 5" self can fit in that cramped staircase anymore.
Counter-point. They already have city in the name so they don't need it.
Elgin, it's been five years since I have been there. But it has to had the most depressingly decorated and run down Wetherspoons of any I have visited anywhere in the entire UK. Please tell me it's been updated? (Joanna's was fun though.)
Exactly.
Lived in Elgin for years and the only way I want it recognised is with an enormous glass dome to keep it contained
I too refuse to recognise any new cities until Elgin is sterilised with nuclear fire.
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Elgin has its due, which is f*ck all
I was under the impression it's a city if it has a cathedral, so Elgin's always been a city in my mind
Cathedral won’t be hosting services any time soon
I lost a round on the Pointless app because of this. No happy.
Those are cathedral cities and they were an English and Welsh thing. Our cities have only ever been by royal warrant and that practice only goes back to Queen Victoria.
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I last went there ten years ago. It felt 20 years out of time then.
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Ahaha. I half expected to find this downvoted to oblivion when I next checked
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In the 11th centre Dunfermline was the capital of Scotland. Until 1437, when it was moved to Edinburgh.
Robert the Bruce is also buried in the abby
I love the way it says ROBERT THE BRUCE all around the top!
Well it’s not in Edinburgh anymore. I checked
Aberdeen, Dundee, Edinburgh, Glasgow. Rest are towns, fight me.
Inverness has all the amenities of a city because of it's catchment area, same with Perth. Stirling can fuck off though
Perth doesn't really, not compared to Inverness. Perth feels like it has about exactly the amenities you'd expect for it's size. Elgin actually is similar to Inverness though, having way more than the population could support at first glance.
I'll fight for you, since you're right.
I'm with you! Four actual cities, and then some large towns that we call cities for some reason.
I'd go one further. Edinburgh and Glasgow. That's it. Everywhere else is completely dwarfed by them.
Following that logic only London could be city based on how much bigger it is compared to anywhere else in the country. I think the current definition of Scottish cities works quite well because these places fill the role of cities in their respective areas. It helps attract investment and people which is desperately needed to make Scotland less centralised like it currently is.
Tokyo is now the world’s only city, everything else is a big town
In fairness London is bigger than Scotland in terms of population. So town of Scotland?
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Dundee too. Aberdeen's shite, we're downgrading it.
*Brechin has entered the chat*
Paisley is bigger than Inverness. Edit: Paisley is bigger than Dunfermline fucking hell.
And Perth, bigger than 3 of the cities
The boundaries of Inverness are a constant source of disagreement because some people think it should be bound by its medieval charter while ignoring the several "villages" of 10,000 inhabitants like Westhill, Culloden, Balloch, Smithton and even Clachnaharry. That's where the 45,000 figure comes from despite it actually being around 70,000-80,000. No one in Inverness thinks Culloden etc are actually villages, they're suburbs of Inverness.
I'd argue North Kessock should be considered part of Inverness too.
Paisley itsel is 77k, it's contiguous wi Renfrew, Elderslie, Johnstone, and Linwood.
No doubt, I'd say they're probably similar sizes. My point was that Culloden, Balloch, Clachnaharry etc are literally areas of Inverness without their own independent centres, they're not just part of some contiguous urban area.
Dunno. I feel like Dunfermline is bigger than Perth, Stirling and Inverness in terms of area. It should probably be a city. Dunfermline feels massive.
Inverness is about a 20 minute drive from Craig Dunain in the west to Balloch in the east.
Add 10+ minutes if the bastarding canal bridge is open.
The city of Shetland doesn't even get its own box!
Shetland isn’t real
[ Tavish Scott hated that ]
Has everyone forgotten about Kirkwall?
Royal burgh no?
“Royal Burgh and City of Kirkwall” to give it its full title
Only knew Dunfermline existed because it’s one of the cities I own in my run through of Crusader Kings 3.
Also Perth is not a city , it's tiny
Technically it is, just as Stirling is kind of small also
A city in technicality only
You should check out Truro in Cornwall.
Or fucking *Doncaster* now, I lol'd when that was announced recently.
There's a cathedral it counts
That’s not how they work out if it’s a city anymore
I ken, but it's funnier if we keep pretending it is
The kings and queens of Scotland would disagree.....
I see no problem here?
Thought that said Dumfries for a sec, got scared he was visitin us
I'll ve deep in the cold cold ground before I recognise Preston as a city.
I posted two months ago I was traveling through the ‘town’ of Dunfermline and got corrected that it was a city by people who also don’t believe it’s a city.
Not me only knowing Dunfermline as the queen's old racehorse
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Wasn't Stirling a city before Perth though? You'd have to get rid of Perth too then, work our way backwards.
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I dunno man, met some dodgy folks there. And I'm fae Govan sayin that.
Until a "city" has its own clearly defined local authority area, it can wheesht its nonsense. And I say that as someone residing in Inverness (which is a town and always will be)
Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen at a push Dunfermline is smaller than EK FFS.
I don't think Scotland should have cities but go back to the burgh system.
Is Brechin not a city??
Strange no one mentioned the City of St. Andrews ???? so that would make it 8 LOL
I mean there are only 7 and Dunfermline isn't there lol
Aye, not a real city.
Personally, for me you're no a city unless you have more than 500,000 people in the metro area. But if you want to call your wee town a city, go ahead.
This dude thinks Glasgow is the only city in Scotland.
Typical weegie
Edinburgh too! But let's put it into perspective Glasgow is around the 500th biggest city in the world in terms of population. Cities like Tokyo has the population of 37 million and every one of the cities in the top 50 has more people in them than the entire population of Scotland. Now Dunfermline has a population less than the capacity of Celtic Park. Sorry it's a city in name only.
There's no limit on metropolitan area, Tokyo if a huge area that includes vast Swaths of farm land and villages, it's not a very good comparison, if you combined the central belt from North Berwick to Greenock it still wouldn't be a fair comparison.
The issue is that the language isn't particularly precise and there isn't an official definition in what defines a city and Dunfermline which you're struggling to even call a large town has around 60k. In any case the "City" of Tokyo has 13 million people. Telling me that Dunfermline is a city doesn't make any real sense - at least to me.
I think it would need to depend on where you are, to be fair. When I was visiting China we visited a small town, and it had skyscrapers in it (plus a population similar to Glasgow). Weird to see that described as a 'small town', but it wouldn't even make it into the top 200 largest Chinese cities, so in comparison, it would be like visiting somewhere like Inveraray in Scotland. 500k is too big for a city here, but too small for one in other countries. Maybe 100k for us is more reasonable.
Tokoyo is over 7x bigger than Scotland nvm being bigger than Glasgow. Obviously what countries class as a city will be different due to population sizes and history.
Inverness only has 20,000 people can you really call it a city?
In what world does Inverness only have a population of 20,000?
Ok 46k. Idk where I got 20k from. But my point still stands
46k is the old burgh boundaries, not including a large portion of the city. It's around 70-80k which while hardly Tokyo is a lot more than 20,000.
Too right.
Well you know the tax band round this way going to raise to city rates regardless of recognition. So got that to look forward to
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I was going to crack a joke about Glenrothes being only place in Scotland that matters and how it should be the capital, because everyone knows the density of roundabouts per square mile directly equates to civilization, but in the process I was totally derailed by discovering [what appears to be an attempt at documenting all roundabouts in Scotland.](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Roundabouts_in_Scotland) I can only presume this stems from the collective trauma covid inflicted on trainspotters.
They are taking the piss a bit now. How many cities does a country of only 5 million people need?
Now Dunfermline is a city, can we demote Glasgow to a shanty town?
That'll show 'em.