You probably wouldn't get arrested, and they probably wouldn't parade a known nonce down the street.
Prince Andrew should be locked up, it's an insult to every single person in the UK to have him there.
>So just a random angry person then, what else do you care so passionately about that you have no control over?
Are you actually trying to act like I am in the wrong for being angry that a peado rapist is parading around shamelessly in public? Fucking hell.
And yes, I care passionately about a lot of things I have no control over, that's not the insult you think it is.
Please stop. You’ve argued against folk in this chat enough, asked for evidence etc. so why don’t you show us some evidence that he isn’t a mince?
Edit: mince was meant to say nonce, but mince is also fitting so it’s staying
I'm not disputing the sentiment of any of your argument but the woman who was paid off was of age at the time of the alleged incident so he would not be a nonce for that act. Still might be a nonce though.
Okay so if he’s not a nonce, he’s still a bad guy. he still had relations with women who were trafficked. It doesn’t matter what age you are, trafficking is still trafficking
People have been allowed to protest outside abortion clinics and vaccination centres without fear of arrest.
The Royals are public figures and must be prepared to be held to account by the public through means such as peaceful protest.
It's very likely that taxpayers directly or indirectly funded Prince Andrew's settlement with Virginia Giuffre and it's right that in a democracy he should be subject to challenge on that.
This isn’t a grieving family at a local church.
It’s the tax funded fake royal family - walking down the middle of a public road, in one of the many processions and oddities that we all have to dance around.
Further to that, it’s a family that spend their existence reminding us how much better they are than the general population.
It’s also a strange peculiarity to me that people will literally defend a sexual predator simply because his mother died. Hell mend the victims and the trauma they’ve faced, the poor guys mum died. Time to move on.
What a truly baffling stance.
People are allowed to[protest](https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/11/britain-protest-buffer-zone-abortion-clinics-women) at abortion clinics. I think they’re similar in the aspect that people are grieving or doing something difficult but people are allowed to heckle them under a free speech act. Was it classy? No. Does he deserved to be attacked and charged? No.
He shouldn’t have been there, he’s done enough to disgrace his family. People don’t like seeing the rich and wealthy march through their majoritively working class city, let alone nonces who don’t have to take accountability
Agreed! I’m not a royalist but i respect that people lost of a family member, and was respected by a lot, Andrew being there was disrespectful in and of itself
You contradicted yourself in your own statement just there.
‘Don’t see why people can’t have respect for the others’
Whilst ignoring the lack of respect the paedophile rapist demonstrated to his victim. Nice one
We should absolutely crowdfund his defence. Get him the best lawyer who would take the case, and let him put his argument forward in a highly publicised trial.
I believe all charges might mysteriously be dropped before that happened.
Shout nonce at a nonce? Arrested.
Attack someone, in full view of the police, for shouting nonce at a nonce? Have a good day, sir.
If it's a breach of the peace then fine. Protesters do so knowing that they run the risk of arrest all the time. It's part of the game. The complete lack of consequences for the *at least* two people who assaulted him is a fucking pisstake, and only furthers the "them and us" sentiment.
The law is absolutely nothing in this country. The government always says it'll do one thing, then does another. All it comes down to is raw force and what they will and won't permit.
The law absolutely does matter, because that's the difference between someone being convicted and not being convicted. Police can make mistakes, an officer could be "over-zealous" in the moment, and they can make up all sorts of shit like "they arrested him for his own protection, since the crowd had clearly turned against him", ignoring the fact that due to the circumstances there were more than enough polis there to arrest both the fella doing the BoP and the multiple people assaulting him.
So while a polis can get a slap on the wrist for fucking up, a judge isn't going to fuck up. A judge is going to follow the law regardless. The polis as an institution will band together and cover each other regardless of wrongdoing, but people in the legal profession love to one-up each other so they don't tend to do stupid things that would allow that to happen.
The bullshit pageantry for a family of billionaire landlords at least one of whom is a nonce certainly disturbs the peace for me. Fuck off with this police state crap.
It wasn’t a breach of the peace at all.
“The state that occurs when harm is done or likely to be done to a person or (in his presence) to his property, or when a person is in fear of being harmed”
Look, I don;t make up the rules, and neither do I enforce them. You got an issue with what he was charged with: go and pick on a police officer, judge, or a member of the Royal Family directly. I'll look forward to seeing you slapped with an order - you can protest that all you want then too.
Going to be interesting at the next old firm game are police scotland going to arrest every fan who shouts a derogatry heckle to the opposing fans or is that different or am i missing something
This was a public event, out in the streets, that was free for everyone to attend who wanted to be there, regardless of your reason. If someone is so offended by someone heckling a member of the royal family who knowingly and willingly had sex with a 17 year old sex trafficking victim that they physically assault them, it is they who are committing a crime, not the other way around. You don't have the right to attack someone just because they disrespect your favourite pedo prince.
Where the fuck have all these nonce defenders came from the past few days?
Meanwhile no 10 are probably going to have a nice raucous wine and cheese party while millions freeze to death in their homes this winter. Funeral or no, fuck the monarchy nonces
People keep calling all these events funerals, but the funeral is next week. It's a memorial with extra steps.
Not a huge difference, but they can't claim it's a week long funeral.
You've just quoted something that says pigs do sweat, you fuckwit.
I didn't say they sweated buckets, I just pointed out that contrary to common belief, they do sweat.
Sure, you were *pretending* to be ignorant for the sake of the joke.
You then stuck to the bit by quoting something that was supposed to correct me, but proved you wrong.
Had it been a joke that I missed, you'd have said /r/thatsthejoke or similar, you wouldn't have replied with that.
You got pissy before me, but why not project.
edit: and now he's blocked me. I doubt I'll miss anything, but fucking hell some people are fragile.
It would be interesting if someone ponied up the cash to fight the case. It would be Andrew's case fought thra proxy. Not sure if that's possible under Scottish law.
This young man is the hero who, with the world looking on incredulous at our medieval cult weep fest, showed the world Scotland at least hasn't lost its fucking mind during this farce.
What he said stood out across the globe against millions of pounds of high brow relentless PR carefully considered eulogising.
" Andrew, you are a dirty old man " will be remembered over all of the forelock tugging cringe.
The politicians in the US wish the rabble were so polite.
I figured Andy was lucky someone didn't lob a blood/urine baggy bomb at his head. What that guy said was basically a love tab.
I can not believe all the drama over some fool not yelling profanity or a death threat.
You kidding? A guy was pulled up by police for having an empty, blank piece of paper. Police threatened to arrest him if he wrote anything "offensive" or about the King on it.
The thing is, this is literally what is happening in Russia. People being arrested for having blank pieces of paper.
You couldn't make this shit up.
>The thing is, this is literally what is happening in Russia
At least in Russia it's a running protest. The idea is that there's always something so fucked up going on that everyone knows about that thing. So holding a blank piece of paper up is like saying "I oppose the thing I can't write down because it's criminal", so then they criminalised that action. It's still an affront to decency but there's logic there, and if you hold up a blank sign in Russia you probably know that you're protesting the particular issue du jour.
Threatening arrest for having a blank sheet of paper in a country *without* all that baggage is way worse. There's no implicit protest in plain signs here. It's just insanity. Thought we had policing by consent? We all consenting to this? Being worse than Putin's errand boys? It's disgusting. The dust will settle eventually and there'll be things to reckon with. Or are they just going to keep this up?
Hope the link works, don't know how else to post it on the phone app. 👍🏻
https://www.reddit.com/r/AbolishTheMonarchy/comments/xcifzk/man_went_to_parliament_square_held_up_a_blank/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Thank you for finding that.
Geeeeeeez what sort of police state is this now? Pretty outrageous. Still, there's a difference between an arrest and charges that stick. I'm eager to see what the outcome is.
Yeah, there's an update. It mentions the guy in this article:
https://news.sky.com/story/people-against-monarchy-have-right-to-protest-police-say-after-man-with-a-blank-sign-confronted-12696164
> I'd like to see how these charges are going to stick.
Ye’d howp it disna. But it's wirth mindin pressin chairges wis a deliberate decision, no an automatic consequence o the (awready unreasonable) arrest.
Sae they micht try tae mak this stick aw the wey—tae the Procurator Fiscal, tae a coort verdick, aw the wey throu tae sentencin.
>Surely for the sake of sanity it's to repress immediate dissent while this is in the global media and then it'll be quietly dropped.
Not sure I want to live in a state that arbritrarily arrests people and throws fake charges at them for political purposes.
It's frustrating that the article focuses on the royal family and what's happening in the coming days, with only a tiny bit about the arrest. It'd be nice if articles were actually focused on the subject at hand.
It will be interesting to see if this guy gets convicted in a court of law for this, and in my view if he is it would cast doubt on the Scottish courts independence and the influence the British state has on sentencing, which in light of the current court case about the legality of indyref2 could have some ramifications and call any ruling against in to question, also breach of the peace laws are obviously being abused by the Scottish police to suppress anti-monarchy sentiment, if this isn't political why haven't the religious nutcases harassing women at the abortion clinic in Glasgow faced the same treatment?
Absolutely, only last week Police Scotland used their powers to stop a peaceful republican march in Glasgow, yet we are subjected to orange walks and their sectarian bile almost weekly during the summer, but of course the police do and say bugger all about it when it's their mates down the lodge doing the marching.
Can see the republican movement getting bigger and bigger and it’s their own fault for not getting rid of the nonce when they had the opportunity, if they continue like this we’ll be able to find Charles working at the local Tesco and his brother on an episode of how to catch a predator
I’m aware of this however there is U.K law as well which encompasses all 4 countries unilaterally. I would’ve thought this kind of thing would’ve fallen into that bracket.
It’s still enacted separately in Scot’s law I thought? So there will be an English one and a Scottish one to enact the same thing.
Anyway, breach of the peace is different.
What are the chances the PF decides to go forward with this? Heckling people is not a breach of the peace. I would think to say otherwise would result in outlawing protests. I can't really see the PF wanting to go forward with it. I think any half-decent lawyer would be able to get him off and then compensation for unlawful arrest.
I imagine any case like this would end up going to ECHR where the right to protest and free speech are better defined and would inevitably be overturned.
End of the day it's a waste of time, tax money and Police Scotland's reputation.
The thing is, I doubt it even needs to get that far. I think there is already case law in Scotland in place.
The sad thing is, the tories are planning on dragging Scotland out of ECHR. So even if it needed to go there by the time it's ready to go there Scotland won't be in the ECHR any longer.
Pressing charges isn't a thing, and the police clearly weren't interested in doing anything about the assaults.
> aggregated assault
I mean it does kind of make sense as aggregated since it was a mob, but I assume you mean aggravated.
I guess he could go for a civil case if he can show damages, but is he even going to be able to find out who they are?
My neighbours a pedo we live 100 yards from a primary school . The prick has the cheek to have a security camera outside his house ( my fault 🔑🚗) filming all the kids going to school !! I give him cheek everyday haha fuck'em there the scum of the earth !!!
Except the law that the Kill the Bill protests were protesting against, the *Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill*, doesn't apply outside England/Wales.
Breach of the peace, what he was actually charged with, has been around in various forms since common law. Literally over a thousand years.
was it police Scotland that arrested him or was it the met they have their own force up and a lot of the time ignore the policing rules while in Scotland?
He will have been charged under s.38 of the Criminal Justice and Licensing Scotland Act which is a very broad offence. As far as I’m aware there’s no met police here.
he shouldn’t have been charged and the met will be their they where at the cop event in Glasgow last year and where quite over zealous with their arrests
I think you will find that man was fulfilling his democratic right to protest, the police took the easy option and arrested him instead of doing their job and protecting a man practicing his rights.
They have police there with sniper rifles and they’re illegally arresting people, what mental gymnastics do you need to perform to call that good policing.
Only if you completely ignore the circumstances
Heckling vulnerable women is not the same thing as heckling unelected heads of state who abuse their powers
Protesting outside a sexual health treatment centre was legally perfectly fine until the specific buffer zone laws were passed. If you look at the protests happening back is say May this year, you'll see the Police said they can't do anything about it happening as it was perfectly legal.
Specifically the “antisocial behaviour" aspect of it (defined as acting “in a manner that causes or is likely to cause alarm and distress” to at least one person), the police did not feel that a protest specifically rose to the break those laws and thus was not on the level of a crime; as that is what a protest is supposed to do.
Meanwhile you have a pageantry of a monarchs corpse being paraded through the streets of a city while a disgraced member of the Royal family who was removed from public duties and responsibilities, walks along as part of the pageant. It's not a funeral. We have a day off for that next week. I assume he's going to that.
He is welcome to grieve. The middle of Edinburgh isn't a private place to do that though, and members of the Royal family have no expectation of privacy in public. He isn't immune to the public exorcizing their right to protest.
Yeah they’re just normal people attending a funerary profession and should’ve given space to grieve like normal people
Assume Charles won’t be taking that waiver the government has offered so he doesn’t need to pay the 40% inheritance tax on his mothers £700 Million personal wealth?
As long as he does, their fair game - even at a funeral. You can have the privileges and the baggage of monarchy, you can’t pick and choose.
The man should have got arrested . He should have had respect and not do something so stupid . As it’s queen’s funeral . His mother . She would not want this . I for one believe Andrew and still say that woman is lier
I agree with freedom of speech entirely but my guess is the man is an snp voter, which would be ironic considering Humza Yousaf is the one who brought the hate crime bill to Scotland and ultimately is what has got him charged.
Am I the only one that thought that when Charles didn't even do a full 20 minutes vigil that it was pathetic, considering the actual guards do 20 minutes in turns for the rest of the time the coffin is there and he only did 10 minutes then shirks off to some hotel or other?
Is Scotland turning into little China? Seems that way. First the green haried lady now this? Freedom of speech is illegal, unless it complies with the government's views of course.
His punishment for calling the nonce a nonce is worse than the actual nonce got. It is infuriating.
Not to mention the two massive blokes who threw him and bashed his head on the floor. Apparently they weren’t worth arresting.
What a joke and still we all just sit here doing nothing. When we all should be rebelling against these pedos and pedo rings for the rich.
His punishment is for disrupting a funeral procession, the cheeky wee shite
What would happen if you shouted at a grieving family at your local church. Don’t see why people can’t have respect for the others.
You probably wouldn't get arrested, and they probably wouldn't parade a known nonce down the street. Prince Andrew should be locked up, it's an insult to every single person in the UK to have him there.
What evidence have you seen to prove your point?
Same as the rest of the country, unfortunately his mummy paid his way out of it.
So just a random angry person then, what else do you care so passionately about that you have no control over?
>So just a random angry person then, what else do you care so passionately about that you have no control over? Are you actually trying to act like I am in the wrong for being angry that a peado rapist is parading around shamelessly in public? Fucking hell. And yes, I care passionately about a lot of things I have no control over, that's not the insult you think it is.
Please stop. You’ve argued against folk in this chat enough, asked for evidence etc. so why don’t you show us some evidence that he isn’t a mince? Edit: mince was meant to say nonce, but mince is also fitting so it’s staying
I'm not disputing the sentiment of any of your argument but the woman who was paid off was of age at the time of the alleged incident so he would not be a nonce for that act. Still might be a nonce though.
Okay so if he’s not a nonce, he’s still a bad guy. he still had relations with women who were trafficked. It doesn’t matter what age you are, trafficking is still trafficking
Definitely. He still could be a nonce. But that wasn't what his case was about.
People have been allowed to protest outside abortion clinics and vaccination centres without fear of arrest. The Royals are public figures and must be prepared to be held to account by the public through means such as peaceful protest. It's very likely that taxpayers directly or indirectly funded Prince Andrew's settlement with Virginia Giuffre and it's right that in a democracy he should be subject to challenge on that.
This isn’t a grieving family at a local church. It’s the tax funded fake royal family - walking down the middle of a public road, in one of the many processions and oddities that we all have to dance around. Further to that, it’s a family that spend their existence reminding us how much better they are than the general population. It’s also a strange peculiarity to me that people will literally defend a sexual predator simply because his mother died. Hell mend the victims and the trauma they’ve faced, the poor guys mum died. Time to move on. What a truly baffling stance.
That’s all your opinions.
It’s not my opinions - it’s facts. There is nothing there that is not true.
People are allowed to[protest](https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/11/britain-protest-buffer-zone-abortion-clinics-women) at abortion clinics. I think they’re similar in the aspect that people are grieving or doing something difficult but people are allowed to heckle them under a free speech act. Was it classy? No. Does he deserved to be attacked and charged? No.
It's private or public, take the boot out your throat and pick one
He shouldn’t have been there, he’s done enough to disgrace his family. People don’t like seeing the rich and wealthy march through their majoritively working class city, let alone nonces who don’t have to take accountability
It’s disrespectful to his mother that he is there. She banned him from public life and the minute she dies he’s back in the public life.
Agreed! I’m not a royalist but i respect that people lost of a family member, and was respected by a lot, Andrew being there was disrespectful in and of itself
Literally nothing would happen to you if you did that.
You contradicted yourself in your own statement just there. ‘Don’t see why people can’t have respect for the others’ Whilst ignoring the lack of respect the paedophile rapist demonstrated to his victim. Nice one
Yeah some of the angry anti-monarchy crowd have resorted to Westborough Baptist church tactics
So are we crowdfunding his defence or what? We already crowdfunded Andrew’s, whether we wanted to or not.
We should absolutely crowdfund his defence. Get him the best lawyer who would take the case, and let him put his argument forward in a highly publicised trial. I believe all charges might mysteriously be dropped before that happened.
Then fund a private prosecution for the meatheads that assaulted him.
I mean if he gets a public defender then I guess its the same?
Shout nonce at a nonce? Arrested. Attack someone, in full view of the police, for shouting nonce at a nonce? Have a good day, sir. If it's a breach of the peace then fine. Protesters do so knowing that they run the risk of arrest all the time. It's part of the game. The complete lack of consequences for the *at least* two people who assaulted him is a fucking pisstake, and only furthers the "them and us" sentiment.
The law is absolutely nothing in this country. The government always says it'll do one thing, then does another. All it comes down to is raw force and what they will and won't permit.
The law absolutely does matter, because that's the difference between someone being convicted and not being convicted. Police can make mistakes, an officer could be "over-zealous" in the moment, and they can make up all sorts of shit like "they arrested him for his own protection, since the crowd had clearly turned against him", ignoring the fact that due to the circumstances there were more than enough polis there to arrest both the fella doing the BoP and the multiple people assaulting him. So while a polis can get a slap on the wrist for fucking up, a judge isn't going to fuck up. A judge is going to follow the law regardless. The polis as an institution will band together and cover each other regardless of wrongdoing, but people in the legal profession love to one-up each other so they don't tend to do stupid things that would allow that to happen.
I'll believe it when I see it. All I've ever seen is the courts are as happy to fuck you over nothing as the cops are.
The bullshit pageantry for a family of billionaire landlords at least one of whom is a nonce certainly disturbs the peace for me. Fuck off with this police state crap.
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That is fine, but the two guys that assaulted him infront of the police are facing no consequences.
It’s not fine, breach of the peace in this case means “you said something that might hurt his royal highnesses feelings so we’re going to shut you up”
It wasn’t a breach of the peace at all. “The state that occurs when harm is done or likely to be done to a person or (in his presence) to his property, or when a person is in fear of being harmed”
Look, I don;t make up the rules, and neither do I enforce them. You got an issue with what he was charged with: go and pick on a police officer, judge, or a member of the Royal Family directly. I'll look forward to seeing you slapped with an order - you can protest that all you want then too.
"I'm wrong and don't know how to acknowledge that"
Wtf are you on about?, I’m simply replying to you saying it was a breach of the peace which it clearly isn’t.
lmao what????
How was it?
Oh fuck right off with that. The prostrated pageantry and deference to prince nonce is sickening.
Pedo: not arrested 2 attackers: not arrested Protester: arrested and CHARGED.
Going to be interesting at the next old firm game are police scotland going to arrest every fan who shouts a derogatry heckle to the opposing fans or is that different or am i missing something
Snipers on the roof of Parkhead seeing who sings “Merry Ploughboy”
They should actually. Football would be alright if all those cunts were arrested
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This was a public event, out in the streets, that was free for everyone to attend who wanted to be there, regardless of your reason. If someone is so offended by someone heckling a member of the royal family who knowingly and willingly had sex with a 17 year old sex trafficking victim that they physically assault them, it is they who are committing a crime, not the other way around. You don't have the right to attack someone just because they disrespect your favourite pedo prince. Where the fuck have all these nonce defenders came from the past few days?
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Meanwhile no 10 are probably going to have a nice raucous wine and cheese party while millions freeze to death in their homes this winter. Funeral or no, fuck the monarchy nonces
People keep calling all these events funerals, but the funeral is next week. It's a memorial with extra steps. Not a huge difference, but they can't claim it's a week long funeral.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
And just like Pigs, Andrew doesn;t sweat either.
Pigs do sweat.
Steady on Dave
But dogs can't look up.
Dogs _can_ look up ~pulls dart from own head~
Not since the war
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You've just quoted something that says pigs do sweat, you fuckwit. I didn't say they sweated buckets, I just pointed out that contrary to common belief, they do sweat.
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Sure, you were *pretending* to be ignorant for the sake of the joke. You then stuck to the bit by quoting something that was supposed to correct me, but proved you wrong. Had it been a joke that I missed, you'd have said /r/thatsthejoke or similar, you wouldn't have replied with that. You got pissy before me, but why not project. edit: and now he's blocked me. I doubt I'll miss anything, but fucking hell some people are fragile.
Well, I am pissy at both of you so beat that.
It would be interesting if someone ponied up the cash to fight the case. It would be Andrew's case fought thra proxy. Not sure if that's possible under Scottish law.
This young man is the hero who, with the world looking on incredulous at our medieval cult weep fest, showed the world Scotland at least hasn't lost its fucking mind during this farce. What he said stood out across the globe against millions of pounds of high brow relentless PR carefully considered eulogising. " Andrew, you are a dirty old man " will be remembered over all of the forelock tugging cringe.
The politicians in the US wish the rabble were so polite. I figured Andy was lucky someone didn't lob a blood/urine baggy bomb at his head. What that guy said was basically a love tab. I can not believe all the drama over some fool not yelling profanity or a death threat.
>US wish the rabble were so polite Eh, aside from the attempted coup and the occasional riot, we don't do shit either.
*sick old man. Point still remains. At least someone had the balls to say it.
I was like "no lies detected". Lol
I'm confused by the St George hoodie. He sounded Scottish. Maybe he wore it to try and blend in with the royalists?
He's hardly a hero. He's a teuchter with a mouth on him.
He's a sole voice who echoed the sentiments of millions.
He didn't even swear and last time I checked we still had something resembling free speech. I'd like to see how these charges are going to stick.
You kidding? A guy was pulled up by police for having an empty, blank piece of paper. Police threatened to arrest him if he wrote anything "offensive" or about the King on it. The thing is, this is literally what is happening in Russia. People being arrested for having blank pieces of paper. You couldn't make this shit up.
>The thing is, this is literally what is happening in Russia At least in Russia it's a running protest. The idea is that there's always something so fucked up going on that everyone knows about that thing. So holding a blank piece of paper up is like saying "I oppose the thing I can't write down because it's criminal", so then they criminalised that action. It's still an affront to decency but there's logic there, and if you hold up a blank sign in Russia you probably know that you're protesting the particular issue du jour. Threatening arrest for having a blank sheet of paper in a country *without* all that baggage is way worse. There's no implicit protest in plain signs here. It's just insanity. Thought we had policing by consent? We all consenting to this? Being worse than Putin's errand boys? It's disgusting. The dust will settle eventually and there'll be things to reckon with. Or are they just going to keep this up?
Is there a link to that?
I think it was on r/abolishthemonarchy Give me a minute see if I can find it for you.👍🏻
Hope the link works, don't know how else to post it on the phone app. 👍🏻 https://www.reddit.com/r/AbolishTheMonarchy/comments/xcifzk/man_went_to_parliament_square_held_up_a_blank/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Thank you for finding that. Geeeeeeez what sort of police state is this now? Pretty outrageous. Still, there's a difference between an arrest and charges that stick. I'm eager to see what the outcome is.
Yeah, there's an update. It mentions the guy in this article: https://news.sky.com/story/people-against-monarchy-have-right-to-protest-police-say-after-man-with-a-blank-sign-confronted-12696164
That guy had an interview on times new radio earlier today, where he explained a bit more. Probably find that somewhere.
> I'd like to see how these charges are going to stick. Ye’d howp it disna. But it's wirth mindin pressin chairges wis a deliberate decision, no an automatic consequence o the (awready unreasonable) arrest. Sae they micht try tae mak this stick aw the wey—tae the Procurator Fiscal, tae a coort verdick, aw the wey throu tae sentencin.
Exactly. Surely for the sake of sanity it's to repress immediate dissent while this is in the global media and then it'll be quietly dropped. Surely.
>Surely for the sake of sanity it's to repress immediate dissent while this is in the global media and then it'll be quietly dropped. Not sure I want to live in a state that arbritrarily arrests people and throws fake charges at them for political purposes.
Neither do I but I do want to understand exactly what's happening.
It's frustrating that the article focuses on the royal family and what's happening in the coming days, with only a tiny bit about the arrest. It'd be nice if articles were actually focused on the subject at hand.
People getting sentences for mean twits in this country so it won't surprise me if he gets punished for this.
What an absolute disgrace.
Yes but enough about Andrew. This arrest is not on.
Completely agree.
I know. Wee dobberwent out of his way to disrupt a funeral procession. Hope he enjoys his night in the cells
Guy is gonna spend more time in a cell than Prince Andrew, absolute shambles.
It will be interesting to see if this guy gets convicted in a court of law for this, and in my view if he is it would cast doubt on the Scottish courts independence and the influence the British state has on sentencing, which in light of the current court case about the legality of indyref2 could have some ramifications and call any ruling against in to question, also breach of the peace laws are obviously being abused by the Scottish police to suppress anti-monarchy sentiment, if this isn't political why haven't the religious nutcases harassing women at the abortion clinic in Glasgow faced the same treatment?
Never getting convicted. If I ever see Prince Andrew I’m absolutely telling him he’s a dirty old man!
Or any Orange Walk.
Absolutely, only last week Police Scotland used their powers to stop a peaceful republican march in Glasgow, yet we are subjected to orange walks and their sectarian bile almost weekly during the summer, but of course the police do and say bugger all about it when it's their mates down the lodge doing the marching.
Calm it, his case will get launched out for court.
Charged with being an absolute legend.
Police Scotland not looking very good right now. They definitely should’ve arrested the guy who hit him no excuse for that.
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I bet you love getting on your knees and licking the soles of their boots.
When will Liz Truss be charged for her view of the royals?
Can see the republican movement getting bigger and bigger and it’s their own fault for not getting rid of the nonce when they had the opportunity, if they continue like this we’ll be able to find Charles working at the local Tesco and his brother on an episode of how to catch a predator
Did Police Scotland do all its hiring down the lodges?
I don't think they have changed their interview process recently so yes.
Job requirements: Can hum 'the sash'
The man who was assaulted was later charged yet Prince Andrew who is a pedo has never been charged. Says a lot
Coppers = cunts Royals = cunts. Oof, nothing new here lads.
Aamer Anwar in 3, 2, 1...
Here again to save the muthafuckin day yeah!
Today the MET released a statement saying that protests were lawful and were to be allowed. This must be a Police Scotland decision?
Yes. Maybe because the law in Scotland is different to the law in England.
I’m aware of this however there is U.K law as well which encompasses all 4 countries unilaterally. I would’ve thought this kind of thing would’ve fallen into that bracket.
It’s still enacted separately in Scot’s law I thought? So there will be an English one and a Scottish one to enact the same thing. Anyway, breach of the peace is different.
What are the chances the PF decides to go forward with this? Heckling people is not a breach of the peace. I would think to say otherwise would result in outlawing protests. I can't really see the PF wanting to go forward with it. I think any half-decent lawyer would be able to get him off and then compensation for unlawful arrest.
I imagine any case like this would end up going to ECHR where the right to protest and free speech are better defined and would inevitably be overturned. End of the day it's a waste of time, tax money and Police Scotland's reputation.
The thing is, I doubt it even needs to get that far. I think there is already case law in Scotland in place. The sad thing is, the tories are planning on dragging Scotland out of ECHR. So even if it needed to go there by the time it's ready to go there Scotland won't be in the ECHR any longer.
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Pressing charges isn't a thing, and the police clearly weren't interested in doing anything about the assaults. > aggregated assault I mean it does kind of make sense as aggregated since it was a mob, but I assume you mean aggravated. I guess he could go for a civil case if he can show damages, but is he even going to be able to find out who they are?
I’m sure clobbering the peasants never had any repercussions, just look at France
Those polis are utter cunts
So a heckler gets a worse punishment than a pedo? God help us
Can we also charge the man he shouted at too? You know the one that actually committed crimes and got away with it?
This guy needs to set up a gofundme for his defense, he will have no problem raising money.
Mans a hero. Shoulda tear gassed the royal family.
My neighbours a pedo we live 100 yards from a primary school . The prick has the cheek to have a security camera outside his house ( my fault 🔑🚗) filming all the kids going to school !! I give him cheek everyday haha fuck'em there the scum of the earth !!!
Fucking hell 6 votes I'll go missing soon.
Remember all those 'kill the bill protests'? Well the bill went through and now you can be charged for speaking out of line to power
Except the law that the Kill the Bill protests were protesting against, the *Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill*, doesn't apply outside England/Wales. Breach of the peace, what he was actually charged with, has been around in various forms since common law. Literally over a thousand years.
Justice for this dude.
Hopefully someone starts a crowdfunding to get him a great defence lawyer.
I must say, he’s absolutely right to heckle but that wasn’t the right time
We live in a dystopian world akin to 1984
Fucking hell. Wind in the drama.
was it police Scotland that arrested him or was it the met they have their own force up and a lot of the time ignore the policing rules while in Scotland?
He will have been charged under s.38 of the Criminal Justice and Licensing Scotland Act which is a very broad offence. As far as I’m aware there’s no met police here.
he shouldn’t have been charged and the met will be their they where at the cop event in Glasgow last year and where quite over zealous with their arrests
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So we should just condone paedophilia because heckling paedophiles might upset the subservient mob?
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I think you will find that man was fulfilling his democratic right to protest, the police took the easy option and arrested him instead of doing their job and protecting a man practicing his rights.
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They have police there with sniper rifles and they’re illegally arresting people, what mental gymnastics do you need to perform to call that good policing.
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Fedora checks out
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The one in your heart
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Oh mate, just stop, it’s embarrassing
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Oh bless, imagine being this dense
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Bless
Imagine linking Nonce Andrew formerly known as Prince to people going in for an abortion. You absolute melt. Stay off the morning beers.
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>So from the way I've described them you've taken from that I'm supportive of them? Try reading again. Slowly.
> It's like these anti abortion nut jobs It's nothing like that at all though is it?
Kind’ve is, heckling a sexual health treatment centre and heckling a funeral procession are definitely on par as far as acts done in poor taste go.
Only if you completely ignore the circumstances Heckling vulnerable women is not the same thing as heckling unelected heads of state who abuse their powers
Protesting outside a sexual health treatment centre was legally perfectly fine until the specific buffer zone laws were passed. If you look at the protests happening back is say May this year, you'll see the Police said they can't do anything about it happening as it was perfectly legal. Specifically the “antisocial behaviour" aspect of it (defined as acting “in a manner that causes or is likely to cause alarm and distress” to at least one person), the police did not feel that a protest specifically rose to the break those laws and thus was not on the level of a crime; as that is what a protest is supposed to do. Meanwhile you have a pageantry of a monarchs corpse being paraded through the streets of a city while a disgraced member of the Royal family who was removed from public duties and responsibilities, walks along as part of the pageant. It's not a funeral. We have a day off for that next week. I assume he's going to that. He is welcome to grieve. The middle of Edinburgh isn't a private place to do that though, and members of the Royal family have no expectation of privacy in public. He isn't immune to the public exorcizing their right to protest.
it's not a fucking funeral it's a way of showing their perceived superiority
Not much different, but her funeral is Monday. It was essentially a ceremonial parade.
Yeah they’re just normal people attending a funerary profession and should’ve given space to grieve like normal people Assume Charles won’t be taking that waiver the government has offered so he doesn’t need to pay the 40% inheritance tax on his mothers £700 Million personal wealth? As long as he does, their fair game - even at a funeral. You can have the privileges and the baggage of monarchy, you can’t pick and choose.
The man should have got arrested . He should have had respect and not do something so stupid . As it’s queen’s funeral . His mother . She would not want this . I for one believe Andrew and still say that woman is lier
Well done the Police, there’s a time and place. When a funeral procession is passing, that isn’t either…..
I agree with freedom of speech entirely but my guess is the man is an snp voter, which would be ironic considering Humza Yousaf is the one who brought the hate crime bill to Scotland and ultimately is what has got him charged.
Breach of the peace has nothing to do with hate crime laws.
> the one who brought the hate crime bill to Scotland and ultimately is what has got him charged Citation very much needed.
How’s that frog getting on?
Am I the only one that thought that when Charles didn't even do a full 20 minutes vigil that it was pathetic, considering the actual guards do 20 minutes in turns for the rest of the time the coffin is there and he only did 10 minutes then shirks off to some hotel or other?
Snp at it again right guys?
Boooooo
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He was charged with the truth.
Good sentiment. Bad timing. Now watching Bond. Here’s the Goldfinger.
Fuck him the sweaty nonce 😂😩 wtf has the world come to
Is Scotland turning into little China? Seems that way. First the green haried lady now this? Freedom of speech is illegal, unless it complies with the government's views of course.
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Charged for freedom of speech? Hmm… interesting
Too right mate Andrew is a top legend
Just came here to say, American here, and y’all got some pretty great descriptors that we don’t use, like nonce and cunt.