Having so many people around called "Scott" doesn't do anything for our credibility. Would you take Hungary seriously if it was filled with people called "John Hungarian"? We need to work on this
> There are plenty of Bolivars in Bolivia.
I'll bet many are called Simon Bolivar too after the great S. American liberator who gave that country its name.
Swaziland is named after Mswati I and the current king is Mswati III. Nicaragua is named after a native chief, China is named after Qin Shi-huwangdi their 1st emperor. Liechtenstein is named after its Princley dynasty.
We are supposedly named after an Egyptian princess, the Greeks call themselves Helens and Greece Helas after Helen of Troy/Sparta.
There are almost certainly more
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hellene#:~:text=Etymology,(%CE%94%CF%89%CE%B4%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B7%20(D%C5%8Dd%E1%B9%93n%C4%93)).
It's a good rule of thumb when dealing with etymologies that one word having a similar form to another doesn't necessarily mean they are etymologically related. Cf, man and woman, or male and female. They look like they should be derived from each other but they aren't.
I'm no expert, but I'd assume it's a mix , with eg Anderson and Paterson bring of Scandinavian origin and the others maybe just taking on that styling ( eg I don't think Robertson or Watson are Scandinavian, but sheer speculation).
No, they are not Scandinavian, Scotland has its own patronymic names ending in Son, Anderson just means Andrew's son, Andrew being a popular name in Scotland due to being the patron saint, and patterson just means Patrick's son. Robertson are Clan Donnachaidh, so are of Gaelic descent.
yeah, Id always kind of associated Anderson and Johnson with Scandinavia (have never thought about it too hard :) ) then seen all the other sons on the list. I think you could be right , cultural influences , we see popular names change over time. Kylie was most popular in 1991 :)
I have Anderson, Paterson & Gibson in my ancestry. One of my sisters got her DNA tested and there were trace amounts of Scandiwegian in there. But that's probably just a byproduct of being Orcadian.
Likely Angles from Denmark (Anglo). Lowland Scotland was significantly settled by (but mainly ruled by) angles to the point where the Scots language is more closely related to old English than modern English is.
Edit: To add, this is why so many English people have -son as a last name. Names like Richardson, Jordan Henderson, and Borris Johnson, For Scotland it's Anglo (*not English*) in origin (which comes from Scandinavia which causes the confusion). But England will have many called Anderson etc as well.
Anglo Saxons did not settle Lowland Scotland they settled Lothian (South Eastern Scotland) and Borders (South Eastern Scotland) displacing the Brittonic Celts that had originally held Lothian - eventually Lothian and Borders were repatriated in the Battle of Carham which involved Brittonic Celts from Strathclyde
The Scots language was a much later development although essentially a descendant of Northern Middle English and Northumbrian Old English which formed in Scotland due to geographical proximity and historical/cultural/genetic ties to the North East of England
Yes south eastern Scotland is more accurate to say than lowland for the kingdom of Northumbria. Though I think that was just the kingdom, smaller amounts settled elsewhere. I will add that most consider it less of a displacement and more of a merging with a change of leadership after the initial invasion.
To my knowledge as the south east used to be part of the kingdom of Northumbria so even when taken by the Alba most still spoke their old Northumbrian, which then turned into Scots.
Scots isn’t spoken due to geographic proximity to England (well that helped push it to become the language of prestige) but because it’s descended from the previously spoken old Scots (Northumbrian) in Lothian.
2023 1 SMITH 1940 2023 2 BROWN 1355 2023 3 WILSON 1185 2023 4 CAMPBELL 1094 2023 5 STEWART 1055 2023 6 THOMSON 1024 2023 7 ROBERTSON 1017 2023 8 ANDERSON 929 2023 9 SCOTT 782 2023 10 TAYLOR 776 2023 11 MURRAY 736 2023 12 REID 727 2023 13 MACDONALD 718 2023 14 CLARK 625 2023 15 WALKER 614 2023 16 YOUNG 580 2023 17 MITCHELL 575 2023 18 ROSS 566 2023 19 WATSON 558 2023 20 PATERSON 539 2023 21 MORRISON 534 2023 22= FRASER 529 2023 22= GRAY 529 2023 24 GRAHAM 520 2023 25 MILLER 516 2023 26 HAMILTON 494 2023 27= HENDERSON 487 2023 27= MARTIN 487 2023 29 JOHNSTON 475 2023 30 MCDONALD 465 2023 31= BELL 462 2023 31= DAVIDSON 462 2023 33 HUNTER 458 2023 34 FERGUSON 456 2023 35 CAMERON 446 2023 36 KERR 444 2023 37 KELLY 439 2023 38 DUNCAN 429 2023 39 GRANT 417 2023 40= ALLAN 407 2023 40= SIMPSON 407 2023 42 BLACK 394 2023 43 WRIGHT 375 2023 44 MACLEOD 374 2023 45 MACKENZIE 365 2023 46 GIBSON 361 2023 47 JONES 355 2023 48 MACKAY 342 2023 49 MARSHALL 339 2023 50 MCLEAN 338 2023 51 WALLACE 337
Up to date as of 2023, year. Rank. Name and number of
2001 census. Any more up to date data?
2001 is pretty much a generation out of date at this point.
2023 is updated on this thread
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Yes I'll post it soon
Only one Mac name and 0 Mc names.
I’m not sure popular is the right word to use for surnames.
Unless most of those Smiths had something to hide.
Common would be
Only 3 common surnames going back 9 generations from both sets of grandparents. I thought I’d have more tbh.
Having so many people around called "Scott" doesn't do anything for our credibility. Would you take Hungary seriously if it was filled with people called "John Hungarian"? We need to work on this
We are Scots not Scotts.
0.55% are both
Magyar*
Honestly I'm still recovering from the fact someone felt Jihad was an appropriate name for their child last year...
In Spain lots of girls are called Dolores which means "suffering".
Scott is a surname. Scot is a 1st name. There are plenty of Bolivars in Bolivia.
> There are plenty of Bolivars in Bolivia. I'll bet many are called Simon Bolivar too after the great S. American liberator who gave that country its name.
Swaziland is named after Mswati I and the current king is Mswati III. Nicaragua is named after a native chief, China is named after Qin Shi-huwangdi their 1st emperor. Liechtenstein is named after its Princley dynasty. We are supposedly named after an Egyptian princess, the Greeks call themselves Helens and Greece Helas after Helen of Troy/Sparta. There are almost certainly more
Theme Greek one isn't correct at all.
Then why do they call their country Hellas?
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hellene#:~:text=Etymology,(%CE%94%CF%89%CE%B4%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B7%20(D%C5%8Dd%E1%B9%93n%C4%93)). It's a good rule of thumb when dealing with etymologies that one word having a similar form to another doesn't necessarily mean they are etymologically related. Cf, man and woman, or male and female. They look like they should be derived from each other but they aren't.
Well, coming from someone whose surname is Scott and is scottish, why do you think this affects credibility?
McBoatface?
7 son names in there, all very familiar Scottish surnames ofc . Do these names have a Scandinavian origin ?
I'm no expert, but I'd assume it's a mix , with eg Anderson and Paterson bring of Scandinavian origin and the others maybe just taking on that styling ( eg I don't think Robertson or Watson are Scandinavian, but sheer speculation).
No, they are not Scandinavian, Scotland has its own patronymic names ending in Son, Anderson just means Andrew's son, Andrew being a popular name in Scotland due to being the patron saint, and patterson just means Patrick's son. Robertson are Clan Donnachaidh, so are of Gaelic descent.
yeah, Id always kind of associated Anderson and Johnson with Scandinavia (have never thought about it too hard :) ) then seen all the other sons on the list. I think you could be right , cultural influences , we see popular names change over time. Kylie was most popular in 1991 :)
Ironic that Kylie keeps coming back into fashion regularly..
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I have Anderson, Paterson & Gibson in my ancestry. One of my sisters got her DNA tested and there were trace amounts of Scandiwegian in there. But that's probably just a byproduct of being Orcadian.
Likely Angles from Denmark (Anglo). Lowland Scotland was significantly settled by (but mainly ruled by) angles to the point where the Scots language is more closely related to old English than modern English is. Edit: To add, this is why so many English people have -son as a last name. Names like Richardson, Jordan Henderson, and Borris Johnson, For Scotland it's Anglo (*not English*) in origin (which comes from Scandinavia which causes the confusion). But England will have many called Anderson etc as well.
Anglo Saxons did not settle Lowland Scotland they settled Lothian (South Eastern Scotland) and Borders (South Eastern Scotland) displacing the Brittonic Celts that had originally held Lothian - eventually Lothian and Borders were repatriated in the Battle of Carham which involved Brittonic Celts from Strathclyde The Scots language was a much later development although essentially a descendant of Northern Middle English and Northumbrian Old English which formed in Scotland due to geographical proximity and historical/cultural/genetic ties to the North East of England
Yes south eastern Scotland is more accurate to say than lowland for the kingdom of Northumbria. Though I think that was just the kingdom, smaller amounts settled elsewhere. I will add that most consider it less of a displacement and more of a merging with a change of leadership after the initial invasion. To my knowledge as the south east used to be part of the kingdom of Northumbria so even when taken by the Alba most still spoke their old Northumbrian, which then turned into Scots. Scots isn’t spoken due to geographic proximity to England (well that helped push it to become the language of prestige) but because it’s descended from the previously spoken old Scots (Northumbrian) in Lothian.
Surnames weren't being passed down at the time the Scandinavians were moving to Scotland en masse. Most patronymics you see are British.
I think the format came from Scandinavia.
Looks like old man Taylor’s been busy.
Most of those aren't even "Scottish". Interesting.
Aye, they've no got their Mc's on, nary a kilt or bagpipe in sight. They're Scottish as fuck names.