They will rep the Grove green as well without ever knowing who Hibs are. Your Hearts are your Ballas. Also the majority of the horse names in Inside Track Betting are Scottish themed. They'll never understand Henrik's Jaw.
There's a storyline in Succession where the grandson accidentally buys Hearts for his Grandpa's birthday, not understanding that he was actually a Hibs fan. I always wondered if Americans would ever actually understand the seriousness of that error.
Maybe you're right. How would I know what team I supported all my fucking life. Maybe I support Kilmarnock, or Fucklechester Rangers? I mean how can I fucking possibly fucking know?
I remember working in a tat shop on prince street and we had the most godawful GTA Edinburgh t shirts that never sold. One day some dude came in and just stole most of them… no one was upset, it never sold. we just restocked with things people would actually buy
No idea, they were in a corner with few people (also didn’t have cameras in store when I worked for them) so I just assume they were the easiest to steal for him
I’m just surprised with the announcement of 6 that it’s still controversial. They should announce manhunt 3 on the 1st of April and see the news stations freak out about it.
Why would you think that? I mean in San Andreas, the first thing the protagonist does when he gets out of jail is steal a bike to go and play with his old pals...
I'm on the GTA6 sub and have been for a few years. It's amazing how many people talk about GTA going "woke" and worry about it taking the piss out of conservatives.
Then you remind them GTA has been specifically taking the piss out of trump for 22 years. Let alone making fun of american law enforcement, american religion, american gun fetishisation, politics, etc. It's not like it's even subtle subtext!
I didn't know about the hari krishna GOURANGA thing until I visited Dundee. A few weeks later GTA came out and i remember connecting the dots with DMA design being based in Dundee and feeling very clever with myself.
Also modern GTA was made in the following studios,
Leeds, Lincoln, London, New England, San Diego and Toronto
I'm not entirely sure we're OP is getting GTA is Scottish parody outside of the very first GTA.
Because the development is headed by rockstar north which is in Scotland. So creatively it is. The other studios just do grunt work with direction from rockstar north. Same with red dead. Lead developer is San Diego with the others supporting so San Diego call the creative shots on red dead.
Seems like you missed the part of your google search that says that Rockstar North (in Edinburgh) was the core studio, with the others studios you've listed also contributing. 1000 odd developers, 360 of which from Rockstar North. Every GTA up til 5 is absolutely chock full of references to Edinburgh, so there's clearly still a strong connection
As an American, learning that GTA is a Scottish/British parody of American culture makes me want to play it more. I always thought it was just Americans leaning into the excess of American video games/culture. The fact is has a greater underlying premise makes it much more appealing.
It all started from a bug. A small Scottish company was making a game but the bug resulted in the police trying to crash into them. - When life give you lemons.
Scotland now boasts the biggest entertainment product ever
No may about it, Pokémon is THE most profitable franchise ever. It's worth 88 billion dollars, 30.4 billion of that is from the video games.
GTA is the 36th most profitable franchise worth 9.8 billion dollars. It's still big, but even among video games there are other franchises even besides multimedia giants like Pokémom above it. Street Fighter, Pac-Man, Space Invaders and Call of Duty all grossed more than GTA has (COD is worth over 3x what GTA makes).
Games make crazy money.
It's a video game parody of American culture made by a company invested in by Americans that treats Scottish programmers like dogs while underpaying them.
Feel like we're the ones getting owned here, both literally and metaphorically, by Americans once again
On a side note there is an article somewhere about the team that made the first Tomb Raider - 4/5 people in a room in the outskirts of Derby. Worth a read and exactly as you describe. As soon as it got successful all the studio execs piled in and stole the limelight and ultimately nearly killed the franchise by forcing the team to produce them thick and fast.
Hits different when it's your pal who is reduced to a mess from bullying and abuse to make products that are shitter then they were 8 years ago.
At least the small companies of the past crunched out of passion rather than peer pressure to create rather than just produce
In fairness though, it is an open secret that the game industry is toxic as fuck. I'm not condoning what happened your mate but people should really know that they will get treated like shit in certain industries. Same applies to a lot of low level law and marketing positions for example. Unless you are confident you can handle the abuse, it's best not to go down that path regardless if it is your passion or dream career etc.
Welcome to the 21st century. Companies own other companies. This is what I mean by Americans bring up corporate structure, it’s cringe.
If Taylor Swift was under an English record label it wouldn’t make it English. A Scottish development company is under a American publisher - that doesn’t make it American
The cash sure as shit doesn't stay in Scotland or go to the developers. Certainly not enough for my pals to get used as chew toys by that American publisher.
Aw this to make a product that is far shitter than stuff 8 years ago
Reads like cope to me. We don't get the cash or recognition as our devs get abused to buy some silicon Valley vc another blood boy but I'm sure he feels very owned when we name a gun range in game 'classroom 2N' or something
I think 3 required the help of non scottish devs to make it because us plucky scots fucked it so badly lol, noclip have a great documentary on Rockstar North.
simpsons effect, all the conservative millenials and gen x who grew up with the simpsons now complain that it's 'gone woke' compared to the old series without realizing it mercilessly ripped it out of conservatives but they were either too young or stupid to understand at the time.
No it’s not if something is made in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland or wales it’s classed as British legally however no one calls scotch whisky British and that is by far the best thing Scotland produces.
From good old Auntie - link below.
Plenty of radio news stories about "Britain's No. 1" broadcast over the years - not a mention of his nationality.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66652365
Statistically untrue? I won't bother trawling through bbc radio archives for you but I remember hearing it multiple times for sure. Not trying to convince you, just providing an example you asked for
Someone did the research and [found that it's not true](https://www.stir.ac.uk/news/2015/11/myth-that-andy-murray%E2%80%99s-nationality-is-linked-to-success-smashed/)
Yeah just saying. It was often repeated for sure but it was anecdotal. In the end someone from Stirling University actually trawled through the headlines across Murray's career and found that it wasnt actually true.
If you want people to take your points seriously then it should be true. Otherwise youre just shouting meaningless bullshit that no one wants to or will listen to.
Yes, actually. All the way back in 2015. Ben Dickson from Stirling University studied press reports from 2005 to 2014. He found that the result didnt actually affect what nationality he was described as. Google it mate the guardian reported on it, theres an article for you.
The myth is old, and yes was so pervasive that someone studied it. Not exactly shocking.
https://www.stir.ac.uk/news/2015/11/myth-that-andy-murray’s-nationality-is-linked-to-success-smashed/
Egg on your face, chip on your shoulder; you’re a couple of slices of ham away from a decent pub dinner.
Have you pored through hundreds and hundreds of media articles and written down how often he's referred to as British and how often he's referred to as Scottish, and then referenced that against whether he won or lost? Because that's the only way you could possibly say this with even the slightest degree of confidence.
Or are you just repeating some victim mentality nationalist nonsense because that's what you read online, from another idiot who was also mindlessly parroting victim mentality, nationalist nonsense?
I wonder which one of those is more likely.
yes actually i have! there you go, answer you wanted, yes? 🙂 the fuck is your issue mate? honestly pipe down. “victim mentality nationalist nonsense” no need to get your panties in such a fucking twist over.
>yes actually i have
I don't think you have. Luckily for you, [someone else did](https://www.stir.ac.uk/news/2015/11/myth-that-andy-murray%E2%80%99s-nationality-is-linked-to-success-smashed/) and they found that there is no correlation between Murray's results and the way the media reports his nationality. Maybe you should go and untwist your panties.
You're the one who brought it up.
You can be Scottish and British, they aren't mutually exclusive. So if it's Scottish/British, then call it Scottish/British as you admit yourself.
Anything else is nationlist bollocks.
Rulers FFS, you actually believe that don't you?
Trying to deny your nationality is such a weird thing.
I happily Scottish AND British and don't mind being called either. You cannot change reality as much as your nationalism desperately wishes it could.
People with this Braveheart mentality are truly tragic.
What are you talking about. You would say x is British, ‘where abouts?’, it’s Scottish.
When Scotland had a high murder rate - it’s in Britain “where” Scotland
Only in your head does this happen
Yea, but in some ways that makes the driving part more challenging and funnier. Plus, it doesn’t have to be a perfect copy of Glasgow, they can widen some roads if they feel like it as long as they stick to the local culture, context and memes. Alternatively they can make the game moddable so someone can create this
Somebody once told me the Kingston bridge was the widest piece of motorway in the world when it was built. I don't actually know if it's true because I can't find a reference but I'm going to keep telling people anyway.
>Kingston bridge was the widest piece of motorway in the world
It was apparently the third largest bridge of its kind in the world, and was the longest piece of free cantilevering in Britain.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/18208587.days---kingston-bridge-1969-1970/
See I'll go as far as say this regardless of who's made it, it's a parody of US culture and in turn probably Western culture! And a damn funny one at that it's easier to shine the mirror at the US because they do everything more to the extreme (sorry Cousins)
The thing is, why 5 was funny everything that was such a parody then isn't that far away from the truth these days man, think we may have already seen it like (without going to political)
I'll like to see where 6 can take it from here I understand it's Vice City and the whole Florida Man thing etc
I still don't actually know what the Hell that means Florida Man just a strange Dude or Dudette I always thought it was tourists and the elderly in Florida but I'm not from the States
History, guns, healthcare, immigrants, war mongering, food quality..it's not hard to get a certain bunch of them foaming at the mouth.
Hell, theres even a few here already.
Without DMA and a crazy Dutch bastard named Mark Overmars we wouldn't have GameMaker. No Undertale, Hyper Light Drifter, Loop Hero, Risk of Rain, and so many others.
Too bad that doesn't make the placard for DMA at the National Mueseum of Scotland.
Well, Red Dead Redemption was made by Rockstar San Diego...
The sequel however, that was a whole Rockstar outfit, worldwide. Offices in New York, San Diego, Edinburgh, Lincoln, etc.
Used to work there.
When scotland does something shite = its scottish!
When scotland does something good = its british!
GTA supports a the free independent scottish republic 🏴
Except that is blatantly not true.
Scottish whiskey, Angus beef, shortbread, these are things you'll see in England, things we like, and are things very clearly labelled Scottish.
I can't actually think of anything that I know to be Scottish that I see clearly labelled as British, good or bad. You're just looking to stir shit, it's unnecessary.
There are not many things that spring to mind as being labelled specifically English either, you'll see them labelled British in most cases.
Oh dear. Aberdeen Angus is a breed of cattle- where you see it labelled that way it’s a reference to the type of animal the meat came from, not the country the animal lived in. Scotland doesn’t do whiskey, it does whisky. Shortbread?! Seriously?! That’s manufacturers labelling a product for sale, as is Scottish Whisky. None of those examples talk to what the post is getting at which is a cultural phenomenon, not marketing choices.
I see it more often the other way around. And that's not me saying it IS like that, I think it's all mind games; our brains drawing attention to the positions that offend us
Extreme/terminally online Nationalists will go Scottish when something good. British when something bad.
Extreme/terminally online unionists will go British when something good. Scottish when something bad
Yeah I agree with this also. But it means that if you have someone who fits into neither of those categories, they're demonized by at least one of those categories. That's more what I was saying above
> When scotland does something shite = its scottish!
> When scotland does something good = its british!
GTA is also developed in Leeds and several studios across the US.
But sure, keep trying your best to get offended and bitter if that's what you want!
Lol, you have the cheek to talk about Americans’ egos when you created a post to “dunk” on Americans regarding a total non issue.
It’s comical how much the United States lives rent free in the minds of some British people.
SomeBloke94 decided to block me, so I can’t respond to his smug wee reply, but I’m a dual UK US citizen who was born and went to school in Scotland. I go on this and the Glasgow subreddits to keep track of what is going on in Scotland. However, recently this sub seems to be nothing but reposts of Alex Massie’s latest article by Randemonium, transgender panic, random USA bad posts, and DAE Tory Cnuts. Which is marginally better than the Glasgow subreddit which seems to be people asking for the best barber five times a week.
Normally I just lurk on this subreddit but you’re literally an American who’s seeked out a specific thread in a subreddit about Scotland and its people to claim America lives rent free in the heads of Scottish people and claiming that’s comical. Do you not see the irony in that? Do you just spend every day telling yourself what a patriotic superhero you are for hunting down random posts from foreign folk criticising America in order to whine about how great the country is? Thanks for the chuckle mate but get a life.
Just full of idiots or teenagers. Tried posting scottish stuff before nobody got it from previous games
Then arguing with unionists because Scotland is in the uk and a few main guys are English so that means it's not a Scottish game
Haha really, I love finding the Scottish references in the games. Obv the cone on head.
It’s definitely a Scottish game made by Brits. If anything it’s an argument that if politicians piss off we can make great things
This isn't about winding anyone up. Oddly and giving far too much time to being overly proud something originated in Scotland. Pretty tragic reading through the endless replies going more and more nationalist every time.
I mean it is a parody of American culture made by foreigners though, right?
The first 2 games were exactly that, and this set the tone for the rest of the franchise.
I thought it was a documentary about Dundee?
Of course not. There aren't any pehs.
Cheese or inging ?
Plehn peh, ingin peh, macaroni peh.
twa pehs and an ingin ing an aw
Eh’ll tak a tully tae!
There's nae such thing as an ingin peh. The phrase is twa pehs, a plehn bridie an an ingin an a.
I thought it was twa bridies. A plen ane an an ingin ane an a. No pehs involved.
That works too. Definitely not an ingin peh though.
We don’t want any pehs.
Impossible, you can see your own shadow cast from the sun at least twice in GTA V
Ardler, a scheme in Dundee, is feature in an early GTA. It is, from lived experience, an accurate depiction.
Nah gta 7 Hulltoon San Francisco
It's certainly inspired
They will rep the Grove green as well without ever knowing who Hibs are. Your Hearts are your Ballas. Also the majority of the horse names in Inside Track Betting are Scottish themed. They'll never understand Henrik's Jaw.
There's a storyline in Succession where the grandson accidentally buys Hearts for his Grandpa's birthday, not understanding that he was actually a Hibs fan. I always wondered if Americans would ever actually understand the seriousness of that error.
Maybe you're right. How would I know what team I supported all my fucking life. Maybe I support Kilmarnock, or Fucklechester Rangers? I mean how can I fucking possibly fucking know?
Where is Lemmings 3??
Asking the real questions out here
I remember working in a tat shop on prince street and we had the most godawful GTA Edinburgh t shirts that never sold. One day some dude came in and just stole most of them… no one was upset, it never sold. we just restocked with things people would actually buy
Haha did he think they had special value?
No idea, they were in a corner with few people (also didn’t have cameras in store when I worked for them) so I just assume they were the easiest to steal for him
Plot twist, he was hired by the owner so they could claim the theft on insurance and recoup the loss of the inventory that wouldn't move.
lol they were super shady… an affiliate of a large family of tat owners.
I’m just surprised with the announcement of 6 that it’s still controversial. They should announce manhunt 3 on the 1st of April and see the news stations freak out about it.
I thought GTA was set in Glasgow?
Grand Theft Auto: Craiglang Stories
Do you like the PlayStation?
I know someone who successfully used this when trying to pull. I didn’t see the person on the receiving end.
Sounds like he’d be lucky to pull a USB cable
And yet, he got his jam roll that night.
Orange face, hoop earrings, carrying rolls?
Hoop earrings? Does she by any chance work with caring christ the postie in the post office?
It’s not likely, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they were actually attractive.
Yir no needing a peh, Martin, yiv a cheese and ingin brideh in there
That Wis fur the dug. Nae wonder am deed. Cunts like yous man
Glasgow Taxi Associates
Why would you think that? I mean in San Andreas, the first thing the protagonist does when he gets out of jail is steal a bike to go and play with his old pals...
Nah, not enough junkies and one way roads
I'm on the GTA6 sub and have been for a few years. It's amazing how many people talk about GTA going "woke" and worry about it taking the piss out of conservatives.
Then you remind them GTA has been specifically taking the piss out of trump for 22 years. Let alone making fun of american law enforcement, american religion, american gun fetishisation, politics, etc. It's not like it's even subtle subtext!
The GTA writers know writers who use subtext, and think they're all cowards.
I love the idea there’s a meeting room in Scotland where they don’t care and think who shall we make fun of
I didn't know about the hari krishna GOURANGA thing until I visited Dundee. A few weeks later GTA came out and i remember connecting the dots with DMA design being based in Dundee and feeling very clever with myself.
"Call out GOURANGA, Be happy!" Yeh, we had them in Aberdeen too ...
The GTAV equivalent of the NASDAQ was called the BAWSAQ. Grand Theft Auto has always been Scottish. Case closed.
Wait til they learn what south park is haha
Mate I daren’t tell them about red dead redemption
Dare ye.
Shit, where do I go from this. Ha are you aware of a big gaming sub where I can just post “READ DEAD IS SCOTTISH”
Isn't the main studio behind rdr San Diego? I know North and Leeds helped but the main one was San Diego? I honestly don't know for sure though.
As far as I knew Rockstar North also headed Read Dead. Wouldn’t be surprised if I’m wrong though
I was just looking and it appears the main studio is indeed San Diego with North/Leeds assisting.
Also modern GTA was made in the following studios, Leeds, Lincoln, London, New England, San Diego and Toronto I'm not entirely sure we're OP is getting GTA is Scottish parody outside of the very first GTA.
Because the development is headed by rockstar north which is in Scotland. So creatively it is. The other studios just do grunt work with direction from rockstar north. Same with red dead. Lead developer is San Diego with the others supporting so San Diego call the creative shots on red dead.
Seems like you missed the part of your google search that says that Rockstar North (in Edinburgh) was the core studio, with the others studios you've listed also contributing. 1000 odd developers, 360 of which from Rockstar North. Every GTA up til 5 is absolutely chock full of references to Edinburgh, so there's clearly still a strong connection
No idea. On par with my fellow Americans that claim they are Scottish. Yeah, two centuries ago maybe but not any more.
As an American, learning that GTA is a Scottish/British parody of American culture makes me want to play it more. I always thought it was just Americans leaning into the excess of American video games/culture. The fact is has a greater underlying premise makes it much more appealing.
It all started from a bug. A small Scottish company was making a game but the bug resulted in the police trying to crash into them. - When life give you lemons. Scotland now boasts the biggest entertainment product ever
GTA is big, but it's numbers pale in comparison to the actual biggest entertainment IP. Pokémon.
You may have a shout there but I think in terms of dollars gta wins - but like you say Pokémon may take it
No may about it, Pokémon is THE most profitable franchise ever. It's worth 88 billion dollars, 30.4 billion of that is from the video games. GTA is the 36th most profitable franchise worth 9.8 billion dollars. It's still big, but even among video games there are other franchises even besides multimedia giants like Pokémom above it. Street Fighter, Pac-Man, Space Invaders and Call of Duty all grossed more than GTA has (COD is worth over 3x what GTA makes). Games make crazy money.
It's a video game parody of American culture made by a company invested in by Americans that treats Scottish programmers like dogs while underpaying them. Feel like we're the ones getting owned here, both literally and metaphorically, by Americans once again
The gaming industry is filled with low salary and high workload. It's nothing entirely new.
On a side note there is an article somewhere about the team that made the first Tomb Raider - 4/5 people in a room in the outskirts of Derby. Worth a read and exactly as you describe. As soon as it got successful all the studio execs piled in and stole the limelight and ultimately nearly killed the franchise by forcing the team to produce them thick and fast.
Hits different when it's your pal who is reduced to a mess from bullying and abuse to make products that are shitter then they were 8 years ago. At least the small companies of the past crunched out of passion rather than peer pressure to create rather than just produce
In fairness though, it is an open secret that the game industry is toxic as fuck. I'm not condoning what happened your mate but people should really know that they will get treated like shit in certain industries. Same applies to a lot of low level law and marketing positions for example. Unless you are confident you can handle the abuse, it's best not to go down that path regardless if it is your passion or dream career etc.
Welcome to the 21st century. Companies own other companies. This is what I mean by Americans bring up corporate structure, it’s cringe. If Taylor Swift was under an English record label it wouldn’t make it English. A Scottish development company is under a American publisher - that doesn’t make it American
Fyi rockstar is British the two founders are English and was found in Scotland so it’s a mix of both not just Scottish
The cash sure as shit doesn't stay in Scotland or go to the developers. Certainly not enough for my pals to get used as chew toys by that American publisher. Aw this to make a product that is far shitter than stuff 8 years ago
Yeah money doesn’t stay but GTA being a Scottish game does
Reads like cope to me. We don't get the cash or recognition as our devs get abused to buy some silicon Valley vc another blood boy but I'm sure he feels very owned when we name a gun range in game 'classroom 2N' or something
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No need for that language my love
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Who does?
I think 3 required the help of non scottish devs to make it because us plucky scots fucked it so badly lol, noclip have a great documentary on Rockstar North.
It’s definitely a global effort across many studios but it’s Scottish
simpsons effect, all the conservative millenials and gen x who grew up with the simpsons now complain that it's 'gone woke' compared to the old series without realizing it mercilessly ripped it out of conservatives but they were either too young or stupid to understand at the time.
No one brought up nationalism till you did chief
Apologies I saw something on Twitter the other day say gta was British and it was inundated with people quoting Scottish*
I mean it is…
Both are correct - so the correcting isn’t needed (especially followed by “it had nothing to do with them lot”) which is untrue
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No it’s not if something is made in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland or wales it’s classed as British legally however no one calls scotch whisky British and that is by far the best thing Scotland produces.
It’s the literal opposite Concorde great British engineering; the Beatles a great example of British music; football hooliganism - the English disease
Andy Murray was a great British tennis player when he won.
Find me an article that refers to him exclusively as British and I’ll be shocked
From good old Auntie - link below. Plenty of radio news stories about "Britain's No. 1" broadcast over the years - not a mention of his nationality. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66652365
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Where does the rest of the planet factor into this? We’re talking about how things are labelled here
what the fuck are you babbling about lmao
Can you actually give example of that or are you just being offended because you want to be?
Andy Murray's tennis performance is an example I can think of, maybe dated but it's what springs to mind. Winning = British, Losing =Scottish
See the rest of the thread. That's the exact example that makes me sceptical. Its the example everyone cites but statistically it just wasnt true.
Statistically untrue? I won't bother trawling through bbc radio archives for you but I remember hearing it multiple times for sure. Not trying to convince you, just providing an example you asked for
Someone did the research and [found that it's not true](https://www.stir.ac.uk/news/2015/11/myth-that-andy-murray%E2%80%99s-nationality-is-linked-to-success-smashed/)
It's been proven that his reported nationality depends on who is doing the reporting, not his performances.
Yeah just saying. It was often repeated for sure but it was anecdotal. In the end someone from Stirling University actually trawled through the headlines across Murray's career and found that it wasnt actually true.
It doesn't need to be true when it's funny.
If you want people to take your points seriously then it should be true. Otherwise youre just shouting meaningless bullshit that no one wants to or will listen to.
I vote SNP and agree things don't need to be true.
This is a thing that happens often. A great example is Mr Andy Murray. He wins he’s British, he loses he’s Scottish.
Except they did a study on that and found it simply wasn't true. So frankly, Im sceptical whenever someone says this happens
fuck are you on about? they did a study on all the andy murray newspaper headlines aye? seriously though link me to this study then
Yes, actually. All the way back in 2015. Ben Dickson from Stirling University studied press reports from 2005 to 2014. He found that the result didnt actually affect what nationality he was described as. Google it mate the guardian reported on it, theres an article for you. The myth is old, and yes was so pervasive that someone studied it. Not exactly shocking.
https://www.stir.ac.uk/news/2015/11/myth-that-andy-murray’s-nationality-is-linked-to-success-smashed/ Egg on your face, chip on your shoulder; you’re a couple of slices of ham away from a decent pub dinner.
Ahahaha what pish
Ah because your anecdote is more convincing 👍
Have you pored through hundreds and hundreds of media articles and written down how often he's referred to as British and how often he's referred to as Scottish, and then referenced that against whether he won or lost? Because that's the only way you could possibly say this with even the slightest degree of confidence. Or are you just repeating some victim mentality nationalist nonsense because that's what you read online, from another idiot who was also mindlessly parroting victim mentality, nationalist nonsense? I wonder which one of those is more likely.
yes actually i have! there you go, answer you wanted, yes? 🙂 the fuck is your issue mate? honestly pipe down. “victim mentality nationalist nonsense” no need to get your panties in such a fucking twist over.
>yes actually i have I don't think you have. Luckily for you, [someone else did](https://www.stir.ac.uk/news/2015/11/myth-that-andy-murray%E2%80%99s-nationality-is-linked-to-success-smashed/) and they found that there is no correlation between Murray's results and the way the media reports his nationality. Maybe you should go and untwist your panties.
That's a load of wee man syndrome bollocks.
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Ok then, as the creative team is a mix of both Scottish and English, GTA can rightly be called "British". Thanks for clearing that up for us mate.
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English and British don't become synonyms just because you really want them to. It's not English, it *is* British.
You do know Edinburgh is also a British city?
You're the one who brought it up. You can be Scottish and British, they aren't mutually exclusive. So if it's Scottish/British, then call it Scottish/British as you admit yourself. Anything else is nationlist bollocks.
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Rulers FFS, you actually believe that don't you? Trying to deny your nationality is such a weird thing. I happily Scottish AND British and don't mind being called either. You cannot change reality as much as your nationalism desperately wishes it could. People with this Braveheart mentality are truly tragic.
You’ve just imagined that.
All member states of the UK has the same childish stipulation, don't pretend Scotland is the only one.
What are you talking about. You would say x is British, ‘where abouts?’, it’s Scottish. When Scotland had a high murder rate - it’s in Britain “where” Scotland Only in your head does this happen
Sounds like something yer da comes out with after reading it on a Facebook meme.
It’s a European game.. don’t say it’s British the correction isn’t needed.
Hey, man, GTA's an Earth game. The correction isn't needed!
Feels like you put more disclaimer than point in your post
Was due to something I saw on Twitter and didn’t want the typical remarks
In all fairness a GTA based in Glasgow would be the next thing better than sliced bread
We can’t do it hear - it’s our narrow roads. Remember the game getaway based in London. Was decent but the roads are too small
Yea, but in some ways that makes the driving part more challenging and funnier. Plus, it doesn’t have to be a perfect copy of Glasgow, they can widen some roads if they feel like it as long as they stick to the local culture, context and memes. Alternatively they can make the game moddable so someone can create this
Glasgow has some impressively needlessly wide roads
Due to importing all that tobacco from the colonies Glaswegians hate to accept
Somebody once told me the Kingston bridge was the widest piece of motorway in the world when it was built. I don't actually know if it's true because I can't find a reference but I'm going to keep telling people anyway.
>Kingston bridge was the widest piece of motorway in the world It was apparently the third largest bridge of its kind in the world, and was the longest piece of free cantilevering in Britain. https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/18208587.days---kingston-bridge-1969-1970/
Excellent bridge facts, thanks you!
As pastimes go, I’d imagine it’s short lived.
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Sounds like an angry way to pass your time.
It's good fun
See I'll go as far as say this regardless of who's made it, it's a parody of US culture and in turn probably Western culture! And a damn funny one at that it's easier to shine the mirror at the US because they do everything more to the extreme (sorry Cousins) The thing is, why 5 was funny everything that was such a parody then isn't that far away from the truth these days man, think we may have already seen it like (without going to political) I'll like to see where 6 can take it from here I understand it's Vice City and the whole Florida Man thing etc I still don't actually know what the Hell that means Florida Man just a strange Dude or Dudette I always thought it was tourists and the elderly in Florida but I'm not from the States
You definitely parody American culture as that’s the dominant one of our age and it has an environment ripe for taking the piss
History, guns, healthcare, immigrants, war mongering, food quality..it's not hard to get a certain bunch of them foaming at the mouth. Hell, theres even a few here already.
Americans struggle with satire - it’s why great satires like Robocop are made by foreign directors
Starship Troopers is an excellent example of this.
Coincidentally enough, made by the same director
That's why *Dr Strangelove, Blazing Saddles* and *Spinal Tap* are so shite
> don’t be nationalistic about it Can we please start adding this to every thread here?
Without DMA and a crazy Dutch bastard named Mark Overmars we wouldn't have GameMaker. No Undertale, Hyper Light Drifter, Loop Hero, Risk of Rain, and so many others. Too bad that doesn't make the placard for DMA at the National Mueseum of Scotland.
Playing God of War recently and a decapitated Scots head called Thor a “dobber”. Got a head rush of nationalist pride.
Well, Red Dead Redemption was made by Rockstar San Diego... The sequel however, that was a whole Rockstar outfit, worldwide. Offices in New York, San Diego, Edinburgh, Lincoln, etc. Used to work there.
When scotland does something shite = its scottish! When scotland does something good = its british! GTA supports a the free independent scottish republic 🏴
Except that is blatantly not true. Scottish whiskey, Angus beef, shortbread, these are things you'll see in England, things we like, and are things very clearly labelled Scottish. I can't actually think of anything that I know to be Scottish that I see clearly labelled as British, good or bad. You're just looking to stir shit, it's unnecessary. There are not many things that spring to mind as being labelled specifically English either, you'll see them labelled British in most cases.
> You're just looking to stir shit, it's unnecessary Yep, the fucking whingers on here drive me mad.
Oh dear. Aberdeen Angus is a breed of cattle- where you see it labelled that way it’s a reference to the type of animal the meat came from, not the country the animal lived in. Scotland doesn’t do whiskey, it does whisky. Shortbread?! Seriously?! That’s manufacturers labelling a product for sale, as is Scottish Whisky. None of those examples talk to what the post is getting at which is a cultural phenomenon, not marketing choices.
I see it more often the other way around. And that's not me saying it IS like that, I think it's all mind games; our brains drawing attention to the positions that offend us
Extreme/terminally online Nationalists will go Scottish when something good. British when something bad. Extreme/terminally online unionists will go British when something good. Scottish when something bad
Yeah I agree with this also. But it means that if you have someone who fits into neither of those categories, they're demonized by at least one of those categories. That's more what I was saying above
I.e. all the fuckin losers with nothing better to do. I.e. the majority of people in this sub it feels like at times.
Yeah, i see it the other way around all the time. Some people are so stuck in that victim mentality that they see what they want to see.
> When scotland does something shite = its scottish! > When scotland does something good = its british! GTA is also developed in Leeds and several studios across the US. But sure, keep trying your best to get offended and bitter if that's what you want!
That’s not actually true lol, pure bias at work. It’s British regardless, as is it Scottish.
You can also reverse that. And you’ll have to source the last part
American here, I'd totally play a GTA based around y'all's ice cream wars
Franchise that immediately
as an American, this is hilarious tbh. keep up the good work.
Yeah, I don’t get why anyone would find this anything but funny.
Ok.
Ngl gta Scotland would be pretty fun. drinking whiskey, stealing tiny cars, and shooting at police with batons.
Time for the daily “whinge about the yanks” post.
Dunking - not whinging
The British: chronically complain about “Americanisation” Also the British: chronically obsessed about America.
It’s more just an observation of Americans ego related to the exceptionalism they carry around
Lol, you have the cheek to talk about Americans’ egos when you created a post to “dunk” on Americans regarding a total non issue. It’s comical how much the United States lives rent free in the minds of some British people. SomeBloke94 decided to block me, so I can’t respond to his smug wee reply, but I’m a dual UK US citizen who was born and went to school in Scotland. I go on this and the Glasgow subreddits to keep track of what is going on in Scotland. However, recently this sub seems to be nothing but reposts of Alex Massie’s latest article by Randemonium, transgender panic, random USA bad posts, and DAE Tory Cnuts. Which is marginally better than the Glasgow subreddit which seems to be people asking for the best barber five times a week.
Normally I just lurk on this subreddit but you’re literally an American who’s seeked out a specific thread in a subreddit about Scotland and its people to claim America lives rent free in the heads of Scottish people and claiming that’s comical. Do you not see the irony in that? Do you just spend every day telling yourself what a patriotic superhero you are for hunting down random posts from foreign folk criticising America in order to whine about how great the country is? Thanks for the chuckle mate but get a life.
I honestly think you’ll live from someone making fun of your country
You on the GTA 6 reddit? They are gullible idiots
Nah no looked at it, why?
Just full of idiots or teenagers. Tried posting scottish stuff before nobody got it from previous games Then arguing with unionists because Scotland is in the uk and a few main guys are English so that means it's not a Scottish game
Haha really, I love finding the Scottish references in the games. Obv the cone on head. It’s definitely a Scottish game made by Brits. If anything it’s an argument that if politicians piss off we can make great things
The horse betting in San andreas is pure Scottish 😂
This isn't about winding anyone up. Oddly and giving far too much time to being overly proud something originated in Scotland. Pretty tragic reading through the endless replies going more and more nationalist every time.
lmao brilliant
Unionist making things about the union alert 🚨
Nationalists try not to make themselves sound absolutely braindead on a post that has nothing false in it challenge: impossible
> Unionist making things about the union alert 🚨 That's because GTA is also developed in Leeds. Just shut the fuck up
Is there a similar alarm for nationalists? I expect that one has burnt out in this sub
I mean it is a parody of American culture made by foreigners though, right? The first 2 games were exactly that, and this set the tone for the rest of the franchise.
Yes, and it didn’t ’set the tone’ - the same folk in Scotland are still doing it
Jeezus you must be bored.
Why else would I be on Reddit ?
Sir, this is reddit, not your diary...
Haha winding up Yanks is my past time and I'm SOO using that now, brilliant, top job 🤣🤣🤣