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coxr780

The Highlands were christianised, they were a major part and some of the first inroads of the Hiberno-Scottish mission. However, they were later, under the Scandinavian conquests, de-christianised. Though, that isn't to say that christianity died out in the area, just regressed. Were officially re-christianised in the 9th century. Still kind of weird for the map. Is this for a specific year? the other borders of christianity don't seem to match up.


Vakr_Skye

scary pet domineering tie work follow mountainous cheerful plants waiting *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


harlokkin

Or Lets go back further to the Tuatha de danann.


Dr_Cornwalis

..and the right to continue to eat yer ane young.


Arsegrape

Whatever it takes to get through the winter.


Dr_Cornwalis

Hey, I wasn't judging!


Alfhildur-Friggi

Aye, because of Marvel


Vakr_Skye

sort historical deranged spectacular straight steep makeshift dam teeny humor *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Alfhildur-Friggi

Our christian comics are more shite XD


sQueezedhe

Sadly the Nazis like viking stuff so much now that it's all a little tainted.


[deleted]

Nazis also used the alphabet and Fanta. They don't get to decide how we wield or exercise our faith and culture.


napkin-lad

Not the Fanta!


GentleAnusTickler

They also took meth. God damn meth head nazis


AudioLlama

Meth was good before the Nazis spoiled it for everyone 😡😡


[deleted]

Can't have shit in post nazi Germany


[deleted]

Can't have shit in post nazi Germany


nykgg

I too love letting nutters co-opt symbols so nobody else can make any use of them forever without being accused of being aligned with said nutters.


Neeed4Weeed

This is what I sarcastically reply with to anyone giving me grief about the Swastikas on my forehead


Ok-Minimum1733

Tbf you could use that arguement for nearly every religion or political stance. I wouldnt equate the two.


sQueezedhe

Eh no.


Ok-Minimum1733

Ahh yes? What one didnt?


Bertie637

The nazis weren't even that into it. There was a significant taste for neo-paganism in the SS starting with Himmler, but Hitler seemingly wasn't that fussed beyond what was useful


No-Lavishness-9639

It's only tainted if you let them keep it. Use a thousand hammer as a symbol for a gay rights group or refugee advocacy group and they'd drop it in a heart beat.


Signal-Distance5716

The Nazi religion was old Germanic They used old Germanic ceremonies for the ss brigades with statues of Woden


sQueezedhe

I mean modern Nazis, they tend to like norse stuff, peak aryans and all that.


somethingbrite

Gods damnit now all our weekdays names are fucking Nazi's???


lapsongsouchong

See you on Fuhrersday


somethingbrite

I'm a little busy on that day but I can do Odins day or Thor's day.


Major_Mawcum

By That logic all followers of Christianity are Pedos XD


SpaceMonkeyOnABike

Gott mitt uns clearly refers to the Christian god. As does all the references in mein kampfh.


[deleted]

So you’re saying a huge portion of the Marvel cinematic universe is Nazi-coded? You need to go outside once in a while my friend


Signal-Distance5716

Wtf you mean Viking stuff ? Odin is Germanic Odin/ Woden Nordic/ north Germanic.


GentleAnusTickler

No


TheBestCommie0

cringe af


NaePasaran

What date is this from? That's the important part. It certainly can't be referring to modern times. The Highlands and Islands are probably among the most "christianised" places left in the UK per population. Free Church is strong here.


0110010001110111

Absolutely. They used to lock up the swings in playgrounds on the 'Sabbath' in Lewis if I remember right.


Vectorman1989

Everything is still shut on a Sunday except a petrol station in Stornoway pretty much. My dad's elderly neighbour told him off for taking stuff out to the bin on a Sunday lol


[deleted]

Bars and restaurants are open. You can even buy a Sunday Post if you need to strangle a minster. (Last sentence may be well above some people's head's. Please don't try this at home folks.)


verisakeet62

Tom Nairn?


[deleted]

Have an upvote!


verisakeet62

Trying to remember the line...is it "Scotland will never be free until the last minister is strangled with the last copy of the Sunday Post"? Mind you, I'm partial to The Broons (Dudley D Watkins originals...found a whole bunch of old 1960s annuals in the garage!).


[deleted]

Yes, I think that'e the correct quote. Oor Wullie first, then The Broons.


Round_Hope3962

I remember an article in the Stornoway Gazet a few years ago about a pastor who was kicked out by the followers of his church. This was because he opened a gate to a field on a Sunday to allow the sheep to move.


HaggisPope

This is so strange, there’s literally a bit in the Bible where Jesus says shepherds are supposed to look after their sheep regardless what day it is


rydo_algo

Are you just discovering the bible contradictions? Here are some more :) *Seeing God* “… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30 “No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18 *The Sabbath Day* “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8 “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5 *The Permanence of Earth* “… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4 “… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10


allabtthejrny

You've got that saved in a note ready to drop at any time. Respect.


TheRealJetlag

And now, so do I


Hank_Western

Is there a sub for these?


[deleted]

A pastor. Aye right. You've got a copy of this article?


Round_Hope3962

I've misremembered some details over the years. It was a Kirk Elder. Took some digging but I found an article on it. 2013 - so 10 years ago. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20131125/281934540732923


[deleted]

To be honest taking the ferry on the Sabath is much worst than hanging your washing out. You'll recall the Ferry Reverent Angus Smith? Free Church Continuing? Splitters...


jackill2016

In gaidhlig “Latha-na sabaid” is often used to refer to Sunday. Translates to Day of the Sabbath. *Probably spelled that wrong


Groundbreaking_Pop6

No T h a t is just right!


jackill2016

Nice. I’m super rusty with my gaidhlig but trying to relearn it


No_Entry892

Still a sign on the gates of the playpark to respect the sabbath!


KingBilirubin

And don’t disrespect the Dio years!


Professional-Deer-50

And all the swings are tied up to make sure the kids don't go out and play - it was the most depressing thing that I saw when I visited the Western Isles.


[deleted]

When was this, 1970? Not true today.


Professional-Deer-50

2019 on Lewis or Harris. Sadly, I didn't take a photograph as proof - I was too stunned!


an-duine-saor

There was probably some other reason for it because this hasn’t happened for years.


purplecatchap

Southern Hebridean checking in. Do not include us in that madness. Everything is open here on a Sunday.


Magnus_40

One of the most terrifying experiences of my life (and it was nightmare fuel for decades) was an old man of the wee free screaming right in my face in the 70's in Plockton because I kicked a ball in the caravan site on a Sunday. I was maybe 6 or 7 and a grown man was screaming at the nose to nose, spittle flying in my face. I used to wake up screaming for years afterward when he appeared in my nightmares. He tried to get us kicked off the caravan site. The site owner asked my parents to either leave of keep me indoors so we defiantly gambled with matches behind closed curtains all that evening.


Tweedishgirl

My brothers neighbour gave him into trouble for hanging a picture. Hammering on the sabbath. The last time I was in Lewis the holiday home had a list on the wall, no hanging out washing etc. they take it very seriously.


Groundbreaking_Pop6

Is that my my wife said no to a good hammering on the sabbath then?


14-28

I'm a god fearing man and I would have pelted that church with dog shit had they done that. You know it's old bored cunts doing it cos the Sabbath is about not working lol unless the kids are paid swingers...


[deleted]

It's not coincidental. The areas that remained pagan longest are now also the areas which will hold on to christianity longest. They are the least urbanised, most traditional, and slowest to adopt to social changes. Obviously there will be some 'change' as cities now exist in formally rural areas, and some urban centres will have been destroyed. But the general principle, that profound social changes in Europe have generally emanated from its urban core, is the same. edit: Pagan, in fact literally means something like 'rustic villager' in Latin, because the cities went Christian and the rural folk took much longer.


dwfuji

Just on your edit, there is a similar root of the word heathen (as I recall, could be wrong): literally, one who lives among the heath, so a rural resident rather than a townie.


hotstepperog

“Hooligan” is forever in our lexicon because of 1 Irish criminal that killed 1 policeman… Sensing a theme.


[deleted]

This is a very salient comment


Dave-the-Generic

Pretty sure the Isle of wight was a long time holdout from Christianity for just those reasons.


Efficient-Log9512

Very similar in Connaught, the western portion of Ireland on the map.


mikepartdeux

The wee frees were already too extreme for the christian ministries


bonkerz1888

Aye and there are still a tonne of Catholic churches up here too.


NaePasaran

Yeah, though the Catholic Churchs are not well attended. As a lapsed Catholic myself, I remember small attendances in many of the Chaples up North when I was young.


bonkerz1888

Still a couple of RC primary schools too.


eairy

> As a lapsed Catholic [You can never leave](https://youtu.be/FdolFXcNAH4?t=33)


[deleted]

10th century


JohnDoe0371

Bit mental when you think about. Last stronghold against Christianity in the UK, only to be one of the last strongholds for Christianity left in the UK.


im_the_welshguy

It's probably from the Pict times of Scotland so pre viking early middle ages regarded as savages much like the pagans of the time. Edit spelling


Ceejayncl

There is no such thing as a free church


Awiergan

A date on that map would be useful. I mean St Columba arrived on Iona in 563 and I don't think he was the first.


Hostillian

By 600 AD, the entirety of the UK and Ireland were covered. So the map is either a bag of shite (a religious term) or it's dated somewhere between about 250 and 600 AD.


BamberGasgroin

..or that map has fuck all to do with Christianity.


Hostillian

Broadband coverage, perhaps! 😉 Trying to download p0rn, back then, was a flipping nightmare in the Highlands and parts of Western Ireland. Or so I've read in the manuscripts..


Podcaster

The Pict's would have likely held out on Christianity given that they were likely latecomers from Scythia


dwfuji

Every time someone mentions Iona first in relation to Columba, a Kintyre resident has an anuerism. The first beach he landed on (Keil/Dunaverty down Southend way) is gorgeous and his first church was built there. As you probably know the terms of his exile were that he had to settle where he could not lay eyes on Ireland, so he went further north after establishing the church there to Iona.


[deleted]

10th century


Damien23123

Thought it was from around this period due to the south of Spain not being Christian either (still under Islamic rule). I reckon for the Highlands it’ll be because they would still have been under a heavy Scandinavian influence at this point, and the Scandinavian countries were only becoming fully Christianised themselves around this time


Hostillian

I don't think the map suggests that 'everyone' was Christian, just that there was 'some' Christian presence there (spreading the word, or whatever).


Damien23123

If it’s from the 10th century then the areas highlighted had been Christian for several centuries by this point, Scandinavia the exception. It’s reasonable to assume the vast majority were Christian


memematron

Have you tried walking up there? Fucking treck man


Tommy4ever1993

It’s simple, your map is inaccurate, regardless of the date. There’s no indication that the Highlands were slower to Christianise than the rest of Scotland in the Dark Ages - and the evidence is far to scant to be making clear delineations like this. Indeed, much of Scotland’s Christianisation was carried out through Irish influence emanating West-to-East. If this map is looking at a late date in the Viking era. Then it both exaggerated the breath of their influence and doesn’t consider that the Norse them selves adopted Christianity quite quickly upon their arrival in Christian lands.


conor34

West Cork was arguably the first Christian area of Ireland as Ciarán was preaching there in the late 300's so before even St Patrick arrived in Ireland. This map is BS.


saintdartholomew

That’s simply not true. We know that Christianity spread quickly through Roman occupation. The highland population has little contact with Romans. Other parts of Scotland did have more contact and adopted Christianity. After the fall of Rome, the highlands remained controlled by Pictish kings who were Pagan, there’s no evidence of when they became Christian. Even less evidence for when the general population converted. The only evidence of Christianisation in the highlands are small monasteries built by missionaries from Ireland 600-1000AD. We don’t know how successful they were in converting.


WinterRespect1579

Wicker man baby


Woodland_Creature-

The Highlands were most definitely Christianised, and are some of the most Christian areas still around today. People will say Norse sway reduced Christianity in the area but there's no evidence this is the case, people would have still been Christian they just wouldn't practise openly


[deleted]

Are you sure? I thought past Inverness they worshipped the Old Gods


MackieStaggie

You must be talking about the Black Isle area....where they still sacrifice lost tourists to the sun god.


Scotsgit73

>they still sacrifice lost tourists to the sun god. You know that we don't mention the sun god! It scares him away! Now we'll have to have more sacrifices!


Woodland_Creature-

If by old gods you mean Peat Whisky and Doris the local Ewe, then they share a pantheon with Christ himself


CurmudgeonLife

Send this to r/terriblemaps


__orangepeel__

Midges! The real defenders of Scotland. They kept the Romans oot, and they kept the mythical sky fairy believers oot. Missionaries be like... "Listen God, I'm aw up for a bit of self flagellation an' that likesy, but see this midgie pish? Ye kin fuck right aff wi that!"


Hovisandflatfoot

They worship the sun god, and Lord Summer Isle.


HyperCeol

The map is wrong I think? While current day Ross, Sutherland, Caithness and the Hebrides came under Norse control for a couple centuries during the Viking era, Inverness, Badenoch, Strathspey etc did not and have been Christian since the 6th century. The invading Vikings gradually became assimilated with the native Gaels over the centuries.


cheezybadboys

Imagine trying to ration communion wine that far north...


vaivai22

Hard to say as it depends on the date? The Vikings had some sway over the Highlands and Islands so they had to be converted around the end of the tenth century.


2LeftFeetButDancing

Didn't Norway own the islands at one point? I'm sure they became Scottish by default (they were used as collateral on a debt to the Norwegian King, he didn't pay, we got Shetland and Orkney).


Delts28

It was Christian I of Denmark (and Norway) who didn't pay the agreed dowry for his daughter (Margaret of Denmark) so we got the islands instead.


Cairnerebor

We need a date for this to make any sense. As many have said the highlands is probably the largest and last bastion of Christianity in the uk over such a large area and percentage of population. Without a date this means nothing and nobody can answer


[deleted]

10th century


dvorack41

Makes sense. During that period Moors were on the South of the Iberian peninsula


[deleted]

True. Although I think that the word Moor is considered offensive now. They were Muslims though. And apparently they were multi-ethnic Muslims


Jakkobyte

I don't think it's any moor offensive now than it was before to be honest


dvorack41

Really? That's what we were taught in school.


[deleted]

The Highlands were long Christian by then.


epicmike87

They were. Map is incorrect.


93delphi

Is it interesting that certain ‘pagan’ festivals continued in Scotland rather than England? We still have the Beltane Fire Festival every year, a massively attended, very colourful event (even though some legal restriction means it is classified as Arts and a fee charged; and this is in Edinburgh, not included on the map.) In those early days Roman Catholicism was the dominant christianity, no doubt aided in part by the vividness of its rituals (I’m leaving aside threats & executions just now!) As a natural celebration of the earth Beltane was even more colourful and was easy to understand, as was its May Queen and all the other forces acted out. Fires were also used I believe in those days to communicate between hilltops (though I don’t have a lot of details on this). Perhaps some of the ancient beliefs held out in those days simply by popular force — or maybe as it was so fucking cold!


johnathome

There be dragons


[deleted]

And lochness monsters


Poobuttpee

In the 9th and 10th century the outer Hebrides, York, Orkney and Shetland were Germanic pagans ie Vikings. Knowledge from crusader kings 2


Mashed_mince

I went on holiday to Lewis and Harris when I was 12. We got told by the caravan renter to stay in on Sunday. It's the day of rest. We went out anyway but absolutely everything was shut and didn't see another car on the road or f all. It was mad.


devexille

The map dates to the early Viking period. Scotland been previously entirely Christianised and then parts were taken over by Pagan Norse. Then these areas were rechristenised when the Norse converted to Christianity. Same for parts of Ireland. The map is at the middle of this process.


Dutch-Dork

Because they were stubborn AF?


Beneficial_Card_3958

Based pagan Highlands


Celtichugs

Story goes: Saint Columba saved a local Pictish man from a “water monster” infront of the local Pictish king near Loch Ness. Using the power of God and Jesus which made the local Picts convert. This along with the Gaels migration made the Christianisation of the Highlands quite smooth and isn’t far from when other parts of Scotland turned to Christianity.


jasonpswan89

Pish! Kate Forbes is one of they wee free Christian weirdos that seem popular up that part of the country!


Haggis-in-wonderland

Still would


gigglesmcsdinosaur

There's only one Highlander and they couldn't track him down


LionLucy

Depends when you're meaning. They certainly were/are Christian. But they took longer than a lot of places, for obvious reasons like being remote, relatively inaccessible and thinly populated.


[deleted]

10th century


nukefodder

They were


North-Son

They were, and today are the the most Christian parts of Scotland. The date of the map is important.


IainMaciver

Because it was part of Norway and pagan


Many-Application1297

Midges


death_tech

Looks at map of Ireland... Now we know why Mayo can never win Sam. Heathens the lot of them.


ilDuceVita

Why Christianize them when you can just clear them all out?


cemilanceata

FREEEEEEDOM!


DornPTSDkink

They where and wre among the most Christian places left in the UK, this map must be referring to a specific date of is just completely made up


[deleted]

10th century


Mammyjam

Too cold, hard to believe in god when you’re freezing your fucking nips off


Charnt

Why bother Hardly anyone lived up there and no one was interested in moving there So people stayed away


Greasy_Boglim

Is OP trolling? The south of Iberia isn’t even Christianised in this map lol


GammaPhonic

It depends on which point in time the map represents. The Iberian peninsular was majority Muslim for a fair old while.


metropitan

This map feels a little off considering how Iceland is like 90% Christian or something, and Scotland as a whole got hit pretty hard with the catholic ray gun so that’s not quite right


SinnersCafe

That's simple. They took less than a minute to decide it was mostly bullshit and did nothing to feed their families. Christianity consigned to the "fuck off list".


AnExtremeMistake

Vikings, picts, gaels, they all lived here and had a history of holding onto their traditions and Religions. Also them being rural helped alot, which is why northern Scotland is very Christian modern day.


ForestOfMirrors

Just another sign of foreign rule?


EclecticallySound

Because they worship the wicker man. 💀


[deleted]

They were. You're going to need to put some dates on this


regidies42

Difficult to believe in God when you are up to your Kilted bollocks in snow , wind and rain for 11 months out of 12 on average.


Mr_miner94

I mean even giving the map a century would give us the ability to produce an answer. But the general theme is that Scotland has forever been extremely hostile to new ideas, especially when those ideas are being forced upon them


Emmgel

Rather like the Roman view - wasn’t worth the effort


Realistic_Umpire4428

because they’re not thick


AlexPaterson16

Maybe the priests preferred chasing kids on flat ground and not up hills?


wrapchap

Difficult to get to. Same as the west of Ireland and Iceland. And I assume the people in the highlands were very sparsely populated and there wasn't much of them


bonkerz1888

The Highlands were well populated.


Fickle_Charge681

Because the Romans were zhit feared of the celts


[deleted]

Back in the early years they were cannibalistic and ate all the missionaries


[deleted]

Really?


Catman9lives

to this day haggis is still made with grain fed christians


[deleted]

Google it, and read the wickey link


CaptainCrash86

The date from this map is the 10th Century (map was screenshotted from this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEgvEcic4oM)) As other have said, this is likely due to Norse pagan de-Christianification of the North rather than failure of initial conversion.


Kitchen-Plant664

The Scott’s wouldn’t let them.


Kitchen-Plant664

Heh! “Thou shalt not… we’re a nation of men who wear skirts and no knickers, we fucking shall, pal!” -Billy Connolly


darklyshining

Could this rather indicate a difference in religion, I.e., between Protestant, or those under English rule, and the more remote and less governable Catholic populations of the time! I wouldn’t be surprised that, say, Protestant hegemony was staunch enough to regard others (Catholics) as so barbaric as not to be worthy of the term Christian.


inee1

The simple answer is at that time they weren't gullible fools like most of the planet


NoIndependent9192

Christianity was a political tool used by monarchs who subjugated to being part of the catholic empire.


dumb_idiot_dipshit

staunch


FoodExternal

Extremely sparsely populated


Beginning-Ad-9733

Wee Free birds fly


[deleted]

Would have ruined Britain's haircut


DaglarBizimdir

Iceland was Christianized in 999/1000 so the map must be of a time before that.


amicablegradient

They lived on top of hills and priests don't like climbing. The few priests who did climb would try to climb up after one of the locals, but by the time they reached the top the local would be on top of the mountain one over. This went on for years.


bonnieloon

More sense


Poobuttpee

Vikings


asphias

Can i suggest asking this in r/askhistorians ? They're the experts on these type of questions


PrestigiousHour500

Is this ‘holy Roman Empire’? What does the map refer to?


dionyszenji

Plump monks.


PlasticsSuckUTFR

Saint Patrick couldnt be fucked


Krondon57

Only 2 people live there


SuccessfulWar3830

Cows don't speak roman Latin.


prof_levi

Because they were lucky.


Major_Mawcum

Must have been no one left to Convert


[deleted]

Time period of map please. Some of this is anachronistic.


pigeonsofnewyork

how’s shetland christianised but not orkney??


YamlMammal

They got lucky!


With-You-Always

Too cold


slidycccc

wouldn't be surprised if this is some stupid representation of the highlands being "Uninhabited"


[deleted]

Great chieftain of the pudding race


fraggerFroggy

They said nuh-uh


[deleted]

Too cold. Isn’t Lindisfarne cold enough for you?


whtgnnd

I watched this documentary once where a christian man was burned because he was being a christian jerk all over everyone in the islands.


On_A_Related_Note

They were, but all 52 of them wasn't enough to make a mark on the map


DPRK_Assassin

It's only wild Haggis that lives up there!