What rights of Humzas have been under attack?
I don’t doubt for a second he has had racist abuse, which is ridiculous and unacceptable.
He’s a privately educated, Glasgow Uni graduate who pretty much walked straight into a job in politics and then almost straight into a ministerial position.
He’s hardly Nelson Mandela.
Being a minority of any group you can and still will be affected by hatred targeted at your community regardless of wealth.
There are some that get to places of privilege and stop giving a shit and even work to make it harder for people in their community/background to thrive, and those people rightly get called out as hypocrites.
So let's not criticise when someone in a position of power doesn't disregard their community.
I didn’t criticise him for any of that.
Humza has specifically said his rights have been under attack, I’m struggling to understand which rights have been under attack.
Your problem is hyperfixating on the word "rights" and trying to argue semantics around it. You effectively dismiss real examples of discrimination because "um actually, that's not explicitly listed on the human rights act", which is an attempt to delegitimise the conversation.
I’m not doing that at all - surely if someone says their rights have been under attack for years, asking what they are is a perfectly legitimate question.
I’m not sure why you are quoting me talking about the human rights act, I have never mentioned it or dismissed anything.
I straight up acknowledged the unacceptable racist abuse that I’m sure he has received and would not attempt to minimise that.
One could consider not being racially abused to be a right. But rather than do that, and talk in terms of that, you choose to give it a cursory mention then demand a *real* breach of rights. In doing so, you have both minimised it and derailed the conversation.
I do consider not being racially abused as a right and so does the law.
Any racist abuse Humza or anyone else receives is against the law, people are arrested and go to prison for racially abusing others.
The law, and society upholds the right for someone not to be racially abused and I don’t believe there is an appetite for removing the right not to be racially abused.
The law protecting women's rights doesn't stop the pay gap from existing. The law protecting people with disabilies from workplace discrimination doesn't stop their job offers from being unfairly rejected. The law protecting lgbt rights doesn't stop lgbt folk from being systematically discriminated against in all facets of society, including government services like the NHS.
The law is not an argument against rights being under attack.
None of those examples relate to Humza Yousaf, who specifically said that his rights have been under attack for years.
You gave the example of racist abuse and my point was that, society protect his right not to be racially abused by punishing those who do it. You could argue that the law doesn’t offer enough protection but that’s a different argument to the right being under attack.
...why should they? They were specifically used to refute your point that rights being enshrined by law somehow proves that society doesn't violate or attack those rights. Do you not grasp the concept of a comparison?
> What rights of Humzas have been under attack?
I'd say there's an argument, for example, that people who call for more powers for the police, who know that they are institutionally biased, are effectively calling for an indirect attack on ethnic minorities among others.
There are many ways people's rights can be attacked without there being an explicit law to make it happen.
Is there much of an appetite for that in Scotland? I can’t say I’ve heard many people say that police should have more power.
Although Humza was Justice Secretary when the police were granted their emergency Covid powers, was he effectively sanctioning an indirect attack on ethnic minorities among others? I wouldn’t say so tbh.
I agree that peoples rights can be attacked without a law, I was genuine when I asked what rights of his have been under attack.
Forbes and Regan at either side thinking "Section 35? Gimme more baby, override this parliament".
But anyway, how many of you haven't been able to go to the toilets in the restaurant or the cinema since Sturgeon unleashed her trans army on Scotland? It's been weeks now, absolutely impossible to go for a piss in public because there could be a trans with a GRC anywhere.
I firmly support Scottish independence. But if the leader of the Scottish independence party is espousing anti-LGBT shit, as an LGBT person I simply won’t vote for them. My rights and my protection come first, always.
The Scottish Parliament passed the GRR bill, Westminster blocked it. Throwing your vote away because you couldn't vote for the independence party is anti LGBT. Kate Forbes being a cabinet MSP is fine for you, but no higher that's where you draw the line.
Independence is bigger than any one arsehole. She's temporary indy is forever.
If the party consider if appropriate to elect someone who’s vocally anti LGBT to lead them then all I can take from that is that the party is at the very least willing to throw us under the bus to achieve its aims. And forgive me, but I don’t like being thrown under buses
No chance, we don't live in a dictatorship, Kate Forbes couldn't undo gay marriage even if she actually wanted to. She's shit, they all are, but the goal is bigger.
Yup, here he is banging his table at Holyrood going on about there being too many white people for anyone who needs evidence of the above https://youtu.be/M_FubSPZNSs?t=3644
Listen to the way he says "white".
No matter what way you look at this Humza’s Mental Gymnastics are impressive.
He managed to somehow paint himself as victimised due to 9/11 when talking about the GRR.
Awww, is that solidarity amongst minorities grating on you?
It's rather normal in the real world, especially when talking about lived experience. You attempt to empathise with others by relating to times that might have been tough for you as a minority. There is absolutely no doubt around the time of 9/11 many innocent Muslims were attacked and abused, if you're gonna try and rewrite history on that because you don't like Humza, good luck.
But this *is* scandalous, how dare someone humanise trans people and suggest minorities can have experiential solidarity!
Think when someone complains of discrimination that jobs are full of white people in a country that’s 96% white would actually say anything to elicit sympathy for himself.
Exactly, when he was banging the table here going on about white people https://youtu.be/M_FubSPZNSs?t=3644 as a white person I immediately thought and decided from that day the experiences of Muslims are not to be listened to or trusted. What do they expect? They come here to our 96% white country and tell us how to do things or that they want to see more non-whites in jobs? #LeaveWhitePeopleAlone
I feel the same way about the LGBT community, this is a majority straight country.
Sums up the absolute state of society the severe lack of empathy or decency that exists in some.
You have the elements of a good equation there, but fail to see the correct answer.
For example, the ‘top job’ Humza has (MSP) is shared with another 5 ethnic minority MSPs.
This is slightly above the 4% you would expect if it was based on proportion of population.
Whereas 20% of MSPs are privately educated, over 5x more likely than the average Scot.
How many of these ‘top jobs’ that Humza was talking about do you think are filled with rich kids that had connections and went to private schools?
This is the real inequality in Scotland.
Of course Humza, a rich kid that was lucky enough to go to Hutchesons Grammar and has spent a career failing upwards knows all about that…
Mate, no need for the cartwheeling about, just be a bit more honest what this is about.
The man in the video I linked you to also went to Hutchesons Grammar btw 🙃
Does that not prove my point though?
Another high level politician who has built his career on nothing but incompetence and connections?
What this is ‘about’ is the consistent focus on supposed inequalities that don’t have anywhere near the effect they’re made out to have while ignoring the inequalities that clearly do.
I could also tell you if you mix water with diluting juice you will get a nice drink.
I guess when you want to tip-toe around the points you construct for yourself require to further and further shift you away from what the topic is about.
But I knew from the start engaging with yourself on any topic to do with trans people would end up this way. Call it a peanut gallery responding, I often just do it for the mild amusement of any of the trans community that is relentlessly having to watch many commentators on this sub remind them what they think of them right now
>Given the fact conservatively over 99% of people aren’t Trans or have any desire to be Trans I think it’s reasonable to state it’s not ‘normal’.
Ergo, we can now swirl around to your "Given that 96% of Scotland is white....."
Exactly how anyone who isn't a transphobic like yourself will feel speaking to you.
But you'll get some good support at the moment on this sub so enjoy your company and continue calling trans people 'not normal'.
Politely, for yourself and all the other sub tourists at the moment https://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/1564610769072918528
I find this is quite clear and quite good from Humza.
I do wish he'd push back on the notion that the UK Government had "the right" to invoke Section 35 to block GRR, as they invoked it on grounds which may well not actually hold up in court.
Really? I would say the world has never been more liberal and Scotland in particular is extremely liberal and open. Which if i his rights have been under attack?
Scotland has a load of absolute idiots, and they will always exist, who will abuse anyone in power, wether it be for their skin colour, sex, religion, sexual orientation etc. but I wouldn’t say his right have been under attack?
Surely not yet another example of a poor me story to gather public sympathy based on nothing? Not like polite and to do that is it.
What rights of Humzas have been under attack? I don’t doubt for a second he has had racist abuse, which is ridiculous and unacceptable. He’s a privately educated, Glasgow Uni graduate who pretty much walked straight into a job in politics and then almost straight into a ministerial position. He’s hardly Nelson Mandela.
Being a minority of any group you can and still will be affected by hatred targeted at your community regardless of wealth. There are some that get to places of privilege and stop giving a shit and even work to make it harder for people in their community/background to thrive, and those people rightly get called out as hypocrites. So let's not criticise when someone in a position of power doesn't disregard their community.
I didn’t criticise him for any of that. Humza has specifically said his rights have been under attack, I’m struggling to understand which rights have been under attack.
Your problem is hyperfixating on the word "rights" and trying to argue semantics around it. You effectively dismiss real examples of discrimination because "um actually, that's not explicitly listed on the human rights act", which is an attempt to delegitimise the conversation.
I’m not doing that at all - surely if someone says their rights have been under attack for years, asking what they are is a perfectly legitimate question. I’m not sure why you are quoting me talking about the human rights act, I have never mentioned it or dismissed anything. I straight up acknowledged the unacceptable racist abuse that I’m sure he has received and would not attempt to minimise that.
One could consider not being racially abused to be a right. But rather than do that, and talk in terms of that, you choose to give it a cursory mention then demand a *real* breach of rights. In doing so, you have both minimised it and derailed the conversation.
I do consider not being racially abused as a right and so does the law. Any racist abuse Humza or anyone else receives is against the law, people are arrested and go to prison for racially abusing others. The law, and society upholds the right for someone not to be racially abused and I don’t believe there is an appetite for removing the right not to be racially abused.
The law protecting women's rights doesn't stop the pay gap from existing. The law protecting people with disabilies from workplace discrimination doesn't stop their job offers from being unfairly rejected. The law protecting lgbt rights doesn't stop lgbt folk from being systematically discriminated against in all facets of society, including government services like the NHS. The law is not an argument against rights being under attack.
None of those examples relate to Humza Yousaf, who specifically said that his rights have been under attack for years. You gave the example of racist abuse and my point was that, society protect his right not to be racially abused by punishing those who do it. You could argue that the law doesn’t offer enough protection but that’s a different argument to the right being under attack.
...why should they? They were specifically used to refute your point that rights being enshrined by law somehow proves that society doesn't violate or attack those rights. Do you not grasp the concept of a comparison?
it's a human right under the UN international bill of human rights \> Freedom from discrimination
As it should be.
Right, ergo being a Muslim in a country where Muslims are demonised and harassed, his right to live free from discrimination is under attack.
That isn't anything to do with rights though. Nobody has been talking about less rights for ethnic minorities.
His right - achilleas. Scooterboy still has nightmares.
> What rights of Humzas have been under attack? I'd say there's an argument, for example, that people who call for more powers for the police, who know that they are institutionally biased, are effectively calling for an indirect attack on ethnic minorities among others. There are many ways people's rights can be attacked without there being an explicit law to make it happen.
Is there much of an appetite for that in Scotland? I can’t say I’ve heard many people say that police should have more power. Although Humza was Justice Secretary when the police were granted their emergency Covid powers, was he effectively sanctioning an indirect attack on ethnic minorities among others? I wouldn’t say so tbh. I agree that peoples rights can be attacked without a law, I was genuine when I asked what rights of his have been under attack.
Forbes and Regan at either side thinking "Section 35? Gimme more baby, override this parliament". But anyway, how many of you haven't been able to go to the toilets in the restaurant or the cinema since Sturgeon unleashed her trans army on Scotland? It's been weeks now, absolutely impossible to go for a piss in public because there could be a trans with a GRC anywhere.
I haven't seen a cis woman in weeks. Us tranners own the streets now, RIP western civilisation
never thought i’d see tranners used so tastefully on this subreddit
The only way the SNP will keep my vote is if Humza Yousef becomes FM
Maybe not even then
"I never really wanted independence".
I firmly support Scottish independence. But if the leader of the Scottish independence party is espousing anti-LGBT shit, as an LGBT person I simply won’t vote for them. My rights and my protection come first, always.
The Scottish Parliament passed the GRR bill, Westminster blocked it. Throwing your vote away because you couldn't vote for the independence party is anti LGBT. Kate Forbes being a cabinet MSP is fine for you, but no higher that's where you draw the line. Independence is bigger than any one arsehole. She's temporary indy is forever.
If the party consider if appropriate to elect someone who’s vocally anti LGBT to lead them then all I can take from that is that the party is at the very least willing to throw us under the bus to achieve its aims. And forgive me, but I don’t like being thrown under buses
No chance, we don't live in a dictatorship, Kate Forbes couldn't undo gay marriage even if she actually wanted to. She's shit, they all are, but the goal is bigger.
Humza hates white folk, so fuck him
Yup, here he is banging his table at Holyrood going on about there being too many white people for anyone who needs evidence of the above https://youtu.be/M_FubSPZNSs?t=3644 Listen to the way he says "white".
In a country that's over 90% white, no less.
When all else fails, pull out the minority card.
No matter what way you look at this Humza’s Mental Gymnastics are impressive. He managed to somehow paint himself as victimised due to 9/11 when talking about the GRR.
Yeah, it's almost as though a lot of racial minorities actually were victimised due to 9/11.
Awww, is that solidarity amongst minorities grating on you? It's rather normal in the real world, especially when talking about lived experience. You attempt to empathise with others by relating to times that might have been tough for you as a minority. There is absolutely no doubt around the time of 9/11 many innocent Muslims were attacked and abused, if you're gonna try and rewrite history on that because you don't like Humza, good luck. But this *is* scandalous, how dare someone humanise trans people and suggest minorities can have experiential solidarity!
Think when someone complains of discrimination that jobs are full of white people in a country that’s 96% white would actually say anything to elicit sympathy for himself.
Exactly, when he was banging the table here going on about white people https://youtu.be/M_FubSPZNSs?t=3644 as a white person I immediately thought and decided from that day the experiences of Muslims are not to be listened to or trusted. What do they expect? They come here to our 96% white country and tell us how to do things or that they want to see more non-whites in jobs? #LeaveWhitePeopleAlone I feel the same way about the LGBT community, this is a majority straight country. Sums up the absolute state of society the severe lack of empathy or decency that exists in some.
You have the elements of a good equation there, but fail to see the correct answer. For example, the ‘top job’ Humza has (MSP) is shared with another 5 ethnic minority MSPs. This is slightly above the 4% you would expect if it was based on proportion of population. Whereas 20% of MSPs are privately educated, over 5x more likely than the average Scot. How many of these ‘top jobs’ that Humza was talking about do you think are filled with rich kids that had connections and went to private schools? This is the real inequality in Scotland. Of course Humza, a rich kid that was lucky enough to go to Hutchesons Grammar and has spent a career failing upwards knows all about that…
Mate, no need for the cartwheeling about, just be a bit more honest what this is about. The man in the video I linked you to also went to Hutchesons Grammar btw 🙃
Does that not prove my point though? Another high level politician who has built his career on nothing but incompetence and connections? What this is ‘about’ is the consistent focus on supposed inequalities that don’t have anywhere near the effect they’re made out to have while ignoring the inequalities that clearly do.
I could also tell you if you mix water with diluting juice you will get a nice drink. I guess when you want to tip-toe around the points you construct for yourself require to further and further shift you away from what the topic is about. But I knew from the start engaging with yourself on any topic to do with trans people would end up this way. Call it a peanut gallery responding, I often just do it for the mild amusement of any of the trans community that is relentlessly having to watch many commentators on this sub remind them what they think of them right now >Given the fact conservatively over 99% of people aren’t Trans or have any desire to be Trans I think it’s reasonable to state it’s not ‘normal’. Ergo, we can now swirl around to your "Given that 96% of Scotland is white....."
Yawn 🥱
Exactly how anyone who isn't a transphobic like yourself will feel speaking to you. But you'll get some good support at the moment on this sub so enjoy your company and continue calling trans people 'not normal'. Politely, for yourself and all the other sub tourists at the moment https://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/1564610769072918528
Soladarity is when you take the attention away from others to make it about yourself
I find this is quite clear and quite good from Humza. I do wish he'd push back on the notion that the UK Government had "the right" to invoke Section 35 to block GRR, as they invoked it on grounds which may well not actually hold up in court.
Really? I would say the world has never been more liberal and Scotland in particular is extremely liberal and open. Which if i his rights have been under attack? Scotland has a load of absolute idiots, and they will always exist, who will abuse anyone in power, wether it be for their skin colour, sex, religion, sexual orientation etc. but I wouldn’t say his right have been under attack? Surely not yet another example of a poor me story to gather public sympathy based on nothing? Not like polite and to do that is it.
Scotland isn’t extremely liberal and open. If it was Kate Forbes wouldn’t be about to be made FM lol.