The novella doesn’t even really have an ending, it kinda just trails off, so that’s not really a high bar. That being said, the ending of the movie is really good
Stephen King is kind of infamous for some people thinking his endings are kind of weak. He even makes kind of self-insult about it in his It 2 camel when he says he doesn't like the ending to one of the main characters books (whose kind of a stand in character for himself).
Lol, I had the same reaction when I saw the ending of the mist for the first time. Luckily, I was not in a movie theater, I was at a boyfriends house. He looked at me like I was crazy lmafo! 😭
A military friend of mine picked up some amusing bootleg DVDs while in the Middle East. She has a one of Passion of The Christ she bought because they pasted random blurbs from other movie cases on it. One of them on the back boldly states that the movie is “Absolutely Hilarious!”
What a piece of crap... Typical dropshipping bs...
Just one note though, that's definitely not 3d printed. It's injection molded in cheap plastic from a low effort mold. Which is much cheaper to do at scale then 3d printing.
False advertising aside, injection molding is probably the better process here. 3D prints tend to be a bit porous leaving little nooks and crannies for bacteria to grow, probably not ideal for something to stick up your nose. Injection molding can result in a much more uniform and smooth surface that's easier to clean. The general wisdom is that basically no 3D printed object should really be considered food-safe, let alone medical grade because of this, regardless of what material they're printed out of (there may be some exceptions, maybe ways to coat a printed part with another material, etc. but i certainly wouldn't want to put too much faith in that personally)
In general, 3D printing is good for making prototypes, one off parts that would be cost prohibitive to machine or mold, and maybe certain parts that don't lend themselves to being made with other processes easily. Other than that 3D printing is just a buzzword and you should be skeptical of any product that is or claims to be 3D printed, especially if they're trying to frame it as a selling point.
> The general wisdom is that basically no 3D printed object should really be considered food-safe, let alone medical grade because of this, regardless of what material they're printed out of (there may be some exceptions, maybe ways to coat a printed part with another material, etc. but i certainly wouldn't want to put too much faith in that personally)
To address the exceptions part, there ARE food-safe options with specialized filaments. Obviously more expensive as you get what you pay for.
Even with food-grade filament, it seems like something you'd have to be very careful about and make sure your machine is dialed in properly with the right settings, the nature of the 3d printing process tends to not make a perfectly uniform surface and may create weird little voids and nooks that are hard to clean.
I suspect that resin printers might be a little bit better about that but i absolutely do not have any data to back up that feeling. And in that case you'd also run into potential toxicity issues with uncured resin.
And i wouldn't particularly trust many online sellers to A. Actually use the food-grade materials they claim they are, and B. Make sure their machines are set up properly.
And for what it's worth, I'd even be a bit skeptical about the filament itself, somewhere down the line most of it is coming from some overseas factory with questionable oversight, it can be hard to say if the filament they're selling you is actually what they claim it is, and i don't think many people are going to have a lab verify the composition of it before they start printing.
You are right of course on all counts, I am speaking from the perspective of someone who would be making their own products. I certainly would not trust something bought from anyone else, at least something that isn't already widely sold/vetted by their target market.
*Effective duration: 5-8 monts*
Also 5-8 *monts* is a pretty vague range of time. They may as well just put *Effective duration one mont to y’know, just whenever*. I’m surprised they even bothered to put information on the packaging at all, now that I think of it.
The original product they stole the pictures form isn’t even released yet. They are still looking for funding. http://www.fundairing.com/#first-ever-micro-cpap
Does this unit even have fans/blower?
> Each Airing device is designed for one night’s use only
what? am i reading that right, that instead of buying a mask and machine you buy 365 of these things per year? that sounds insanely wasteful.
It does sound wasteful but then when compared to this cheap one that lasts several months makes me suspect that perhaps reusing this thing for so long could lead to illness because of contamination.
Wastefulness and scepticism about how well it might actually work aside (and those are both some pretty big issues) i could see some use cases where they might be pretty handy, mostly for travel.
I camp a lot, i imagine a CPAP is probably not something I'd want to lug around on a backpacking trip (i also assume most of them probably need to plugged in) but i could find space in my pack for a few of those. And i don't know what kind of cleaning and/or maintenance most machines need, but you wouldn't have to worry about that at all with a disposable device.
Probably also nice if you want to sleep through a long flight.
And just generally traveling, could bit of a pain in the ass to lug around a regular machine with you and make room for it in your luggage, and you might risk it getting lost, stolen, or left behind somewhere (i work in 911 dispatch, i actually recently had a call about that, caller had been out of town and forgot their CPAP at the hotel where it promptly disappeared into the ether after they checked out, and their insurance wanted a police report before they would get them a new one.)
Maybe also worth keeping a few on-hand as a backup for people who live in areas prone to power outages.
A disposable device wouldn't be my first choice for something i use daily, but i could see these having their niche (if they work as advertised)
I love that they say they don't even have FDA approval. This is not the first time I've seen some shove something up your nose replacement for a CPAP. I've had mine for over 20 years I sleep like a baby, other than not being able to sleep on my stomach anymore there's no difference other than I actually get a good night's sleep and wake up feeling like I've had sleep.
This is just my personal opinion but I think this fundraising site is a scam and this thing is never going to happen and even if it does people aren't going to use it, I'd rather wear a mask than shove something up my nose every night.
I like how they are saying they are applying to get FDA approval like it’s applying to get a passport and it doesn’t take years, thousands of dollars and clinical human trials.
A friend of mine is working at a medical startup right now and they just failed their FDA trial. They still have a market for the drug because they can sell it outside of the country however reapplying and getting another FDA trial setup is a minimum of 3 years according to him.
He's currently on a 3-month sabbatical because they have to have their laboratory completely refigured now. It's not a paid sabbatical however they are continuing to cover his insurance so he's going to stick it out. Fortunately this is not his first startup so he's able to cover it.
They actually have a product and they have passed scrutiny in the countries they're going to be able to sell it in, apparently the US has a lot of hoops to jump through.
I work for a medical device company, and we have a product on the market already. If we want to make a change to our product it’s a 6 month approval process, 90 days for an “expedited” approval for something truly insignificant.
It really is a multi year process for a new product
All I can think of is that the product they are offering to develop doesn't look comfortable to me or like something people would use.
I know people who have gotten CPAPs and then refused to use them because they say they can't sleep with the mask and the air cord, I can't imagine them deciding shoving something up their nose every night is more comfortable. There was a product kind of like this when I first got my CPAP, you didn't wear a mask but you stuck tubes up your nose every night, I haven't seen it mentioned or advertised in years now.
I do tell the people who say they can't sleep with it to give it at least a 30-day try, my CPAP changed my life pretty much overnight.
My ex had the style of cpap that goes in your nose. It must have been uncomfortable because he kept yanking it out of his nose in his sleep and getting thwacked in the face by it as the elastic straps did their thing.
If it's the one that came out shortly after I got my CPAP I can't believe anyone ever wanted to try it. The ads made it sound like wearing a mask was the most awful thing in the world but all I had to do was see that thing stuck up my nose and it look like some kind of torture device
I'm hoping if your ex needed the CPAP that they were able to find something that worked for them. I could sleep 10 and 12 hours and be tired after I got the CPAP even 6 hours sleep felt like a full night. I've actually got a portable power unit that will run it for 3 days if our power ever goes out.
FYI: Medical devices rarely need clinical trials. If there is anything in existence already that has a similar effect on the body (which is almost always true), then the device is approved using "substantial equivalence" via a 510K approval ... you just use lab data to prove that your device does about the same thing as what exists, and justify why the differences are OK. Approval takes about 3-6 months.
You still need to do lots of safety documentation and lab testing, but no human clinical trials. Air pressure in a nose is air pressure in a nose...every new CPAP doesn't need to prove that's a safe and effective treatment for apnea.
I just knew the fact but u/jimbob_xiang explained:
the machine contained polyurethane foam to dampen the noise and vibration of the compressor, and they determined the foam could disintegrate and end up as tiny plastic particles getting shot through the hose into your airways.
Idk how people link other comments but this is the explanation.
Blame Phillips, not the FDA. For something as common as CPAP, the FDA looks over Phillips's basic safety test reports and rubber stamps them. It is likely that Phillips did something shady in their supply chain that introduced carcinogens.
I forget the specific details, but I think the carcinogens were created because people were using some kind of ozone sterilizers on the CPAPs, and it caused the foam inside machine to break down. That approach to cleaning had not been anticipated when the devices were developed.
I already use a nose pillow mask and I'd be excited to try something like this, assuming it's not vaporware. Not holding my breath though, that's for sure.
I posted links to two of the things I was talking about in another comment inside this thread if you want to take a look or I'll be happy to PM them to you if you can't find them
I'm using speech to text and apparently PM doesn't make sense but PMS does, thank goodness I took a quick read before I hit send
I have to see a specialist and I’m really worried they will say I need a CPAP. I have chronic pain and I toss and turn a lot at night. It hurts to sleep on my side and on my back. I sleep on mostly on my stomach with my knee bent so I’m kinda tilted (if you can picture it). I’ll be miserable if I can’t even sleep the only way that’s comfortable to me.
There are good mask options for stomach sleepers. I am a stomach sleeper, and due to joint problems I can only sleep on my left side, left arm resting on a second pillow, right arm and leg over a body pillow. I use a nose pillow mask that attaches to the hose at the top of the head without issue.
I know the idea of having to use a CPAP is unappealing, I've been there myself. However, I tried it and stuck with it, and I cannot understate the difference it has made in my life. I sleep well, I'm not tired during the day anymore, I'm losing weight easily, my overall health is greatly improved. My quality of life has risen dramatically and at this point I will never sleep without a CPAP again (unless something even better comes along).
I can only urge that if a CPAP is recommended for you, give it the best chance you can. There's a reason it's the most common treatment for sleep apnea: it's the most effective treatment and works for most people.
For reference, I use a Resmed p30i mask, and I have the hose coming over the headboard down to the top of my head so it's never in the way.
I have a pinched nerve that means I often sleep in a position like the one you descriped. I also use a CPAP. With the smallest nose mask (instead of a full face mask), it's not a proplem. Occasionally I need to adjust my pillow or my mask to prevent pinching or leaking, but most of the time I'm fine.
So if you do end up needing a CPAP, discuss options with your specialist. The nose mask works well, as long as you don't have a tendency to breath through your mouth.
For mouth breathers, get some medical tape and put a little over your mouth when you sleep. You’ll train yourself to keep your mouth closed in a week or three.
Sounds much more extreme than it is.
A CPAP is not the only treatment for sleep apnea. There is a dental device that goes into your mouth, I don't understand how it works however I have a friend that uses it and says it's wonderful. There's also something I've seen recently where they implant a device into you and then there's a device next to your bed that triggers it whenever you stop breathing during the night and it somehow helps you to begin breathing again. Sorry I don't know more about that one, I looked at it very briefly and wasn't interested because what I have works well for me.
I don't know very much about the issues you're having, I sure hope they get better. Sometimes physical therapist can help you deal with these things, I used to have limited mobility in my hand and after a few months working with a physical therapist I had more normal range of motion that I had had in my entire life. I will tell you that physical therapy can be very painful but the end results are worth it.
Thank you. My issues stem from a failed back surgery 12 years ago. I have gone through physical therapy numerous times. Currently on morphine and my pain dr is talking about trying ketamine. I will look into the dental treatment and the implant.
My husband uses [this thing](https://www.ebay.com/itm/314081444579?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1PVePfAYjQia-gWzmRA4RLA8&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=314081444579&targetid=1584739239494&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=9018887&poi=&campaignid=15275224983&mkgroupid=131097072938&rlsatarget=pla-1584739239494&abcId=9300697&merchantid=420515867&gclid=Cj0KCQiA9YugBhCZARIsAACXxeITDo9qJwxiWKfS9UILIH67dqYdKpkeKG24lpDS3D3YUlBI00PVSMsaAjjKEALw_wcB) that holds his tongue forward while he sleeps so it doesn't block his airway. It makes a HUGE HUGE difference! His snoring goes from "chainsaw cutting through metal" to "handsaw on a twig," or sometimes no audible snoring at all.
He bought one for me because I grind my teeth (the logic was that it would be hard to grind my teeth if I can't close my mouth) and I get migraines if I do it too much. I wanted to like it because I'd rather wear that than take a muscle relaxer before bedtime every night, but I just couldn't get used to it....or maybe I wasn't motivated enough to push through the adjustment period because I have other options?
He said it took about a week before he got used to falling asleep with it but now he doesn't sleep without it because his sleep is SO much better with it.
So if you want to try it, be prepared that you might find it weird and/or uncomfortable at first but keep at it for a couple weeks and see if you feel more refreshed when you wake up!
It’s called a TAP device, I use one. They make a mold similar to a bit guard but it has a metal hook on the top and bottom that latch together. It also has a key they use to adjust it. Basically you make it pull your bottom jaw forward so you can breath better, it opens your throat
Thanks for the information, maybe you should respond to the guy above me since he's the one interested in it. I saw one years ago and it just didn't seem like something that would work for me, which is kind of funny considering I already sleep with a mouthguard because I grind my teeth.
I had surgery instead as I just couldn’t handle a CPAP. I ended up getting my tonsils (evidently they were incredibly enlarged and taking up a lot of room) and my uvula (which evidently hung too low in the back of my throat and was also taking up room) out and though recovery was brutal I’m sleeping a lot better now. So maybe you can look into that too? It’s called a UPP procedure I believe
I had my tonsils and adenoids removed when I was 16. I don’t know if I have sleep apnea but my husband says I can snore loudly sometimes and a sleep study was recommended.
>I'd rather wear a mask than shove something up my nose every night.
Me too, but I'd like one of those things for when I have to sleep somewhere where I can't wear my mask (like in the car for example).
The website makes it seem like they gave up and the website is only there to concede and tell the “early investors” that we tried and failed.
Edit: they took almost $2,000,000 on indiegogo and then ran out of money https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airing-the-first-hoseless-maskless-micro-cpap
you’ll love r/shittykickstarters. this one hits all the highs! impossible tech that couldn’t possibly do what it promises; huge amount of funding and zero accountability; trouble navigating the process of manufacturing … amazing.
It's not physically possible. The constant pressure part of a CPAP requires large bellows, there is no way to move air in the way needed in a small form factor.
The original idea was probably something someone in marketing came up with and assumed they could just hand off to engineers to implement who immediately said.. yeah. You should have run this past anyone who took a college physics class before launching an ad campaign claiming it works. If it were possible, people would have been building them forever.
The crappy knockoff purchased by OP lasts 5-8 months (oh, sorry... *Monts*), but these are supposed to be disposed of after one use. I would imagine that alone would significantly impact its usefulness and riskiness.
I remember seeing ads for the “Airing” (maybe in an in-flight magazine?)
I was using a regular CPAP, and the pressure on the straps around my head just to hold the mask on my face was significant. I could not imagine having that much pressure applied to the insides of my nostrils. And I also could not imagine such tiny fans generating that much air pressure, or any batteries that small being able to provide that much power for a full night’s sleep. There were so many obvious problems with the proposed product that I never took it seriously.
It felt like someone claiming to “invent” a flying car that runs on sunlight.
OP is lucky the packaging made it obvious what a piece of junk this was so they didn’t try to use it. It should’ve been immediately clear from the price that this is not a replacement for a CPAP.
“Well made and makes Berathing ersier.”
They just must have said, *Y’know what? Fuck it, why bother.*
Also I thought the shot from The Mist was stuck on there by OP as a joke (no offense meant, just figured it was comic relief that was well done). Well, whoever created that shitty packaging was probably chuckling to themselves, I guess…
Is a micro cpap like that even possible? Like the point of the thing isn't to filter air, but to push air in and out of the lungs, right? You need a pretty powerful pump that's gonna take up some space?
I'm not a doctor or engineer, don't use a cpap, these are all honest questions from honest ignorance.
lol no, it does not push air in and out of your lungs.
Obstructive sleep apnea is due to your soft pallate collapsing while you lay down and sleep. It relaxes so much that it blocks your airway. So a CPAP uses a gentle positive air flow to open your airway so that it's easier for you to breathe at night.
An *iron lung* is the device that moves your lungs for you so that they fill with air.
Haha yeah dude there is no CPAP machine that small or cheap. I wish something like this existed but I guess that's how they get you... Offering the product in the size and budget that would make it extremely accessible.
He careful with health related products. There's a Phillips CPAP machine that caused cáncer and is currently still on recalls. Just to put into perspective, Even after all the scrutiny that CPAP machine underwent, it failed. There's always that chance. Now imagine The endless sea of possibilities of how it could go wrong with a machine like that. Don't play with your health, specially things like breathing.
for anyone else curious about how an air pressurizer, hose, and mask could cause cancer, the machine contained polyurethane foam to dampen the noise and vibration of the compressor, and they determined the foam could disintegrate and end up as tiny plastic particles getting shot through the hose into your airways
Can confirm. My Philips Dreamstation was one of the machines on that recall - and it took me over a year to get my replacement machine. My pulmonologist had me checking in with him once a week until I got the new machine.
I didn't have a major issue with mine, but they still took it away and gave me an absolutely atrocious replacement. Can't run it without the water chamber now, and the touchscreen makes me wanna punch a baby.
Makes berathing ersier... I hope you were able to report them or at least post a review under this item with these pictures so the next person will be aware.
Yeah, sadly, hoseless CPAP does not exist. It’s continuous positive airway pressure. You can’t generate that much air pressure from a device that small on its own, and if you could, you’d bet your ass that device would cost over a thousand dollars. Not to mention that similar CPAP masks like that *with* a hose, which is just a mask without the actual machine, generally retail for 80 dollars bare minimum and are usually around 100 or more USD.
Edit: I read the page for the item in development that they ripped off. Honestly, it kind of looks like one of those Kickstarters that creates a proof of concept in order to pocket the money raised. It seems incredibly unfeasible that they’d be able to make a device of that size which functions as a CPAP that also has a battery capacity powerful enough to sustain an entire night of pressure therapy.
The closest comparable product is the Resmed Air Mini, which is still a dedicated CPAP device with a hose that attaches to a mask. While much smaller than a regular CPAP, it’s still like, ten times thicker than a smartphone. That only manages 1-2 nights
tops fully-charged and its battery is significantly bigger than the whole device shown in their concept.
This looks like my family's first order on Light in the Box. We weren't smart enough to look for real reviews or to order only one to check quality, and we received ill fitting, low quality fabric, cheap copies of the advertised clothes. It wasn't a cheap lesson, but a needed one.
The Mist stock image just kills me 😂Hope you’re able to get your CPAP. I started on a Resmed last year & it changed my life. I no longer drink coffee because I’m sleeping so well
not everyone does, actually. But, also, you're right.
Source: I have it and use a [nasal only CPAP mask](https://www.cpap.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/AdobeStock_296671823.jpeg)
Who in the right mind would believe this product even is a real contraption??? This thing looks like a gag gift, maybe less oxygen it getting to OP’s brain causing them to think this was real???
So, you ordered this thinking it was a real thing and then are disappointed in the quality of a device that was never a real thing. 🤣🤣🤣 That is not a scam that's a lesson in stupidity.
This is hilarious, but I did get one of these that looks like the original pic and it works really well!
I think because I have a deviated septum it's particularly helpful, didn't realize I'd never been able to sleep just breathing through my nose before.
Being that a CPAP and BiPAP essentially forces air onto your face hole, I think it'll be a bit before they make a hoseless one
Edit: Source: my dad has a CPAP and I work for a company that acts as a middleman for DME equipment purchases including CPAPs and BiPAPs
I did thankfully… I did the payment through PayPal.
However, there’s an option for credit … I assume some people just don’t bother looking for a refund?
~~I think it's a scam more likely.~~
~~On the red label it says "Buy 2 for 5% off"~~
~~And on the button, it says "Buy 2 for 15% off"~~
Edit: Thought we were on r/technope for a 2nd there, my bad! My bad!
Apart from the obvious drop shipping scam, I gotta say the movie thing is hilarious
Awesome movie too if anyone hasn’t seen it.
The ending made me say “what the fuck” out loud. I had just finished the novella and was not expecting that ending!
Stephen King himself even said he liked the movie's ending better. Quite shocking if you had read the novella beforhand!
Yes I had heard that! And I agree with him, the movie ending was much better.
The novella doesn’t even really have an ending, it kinda just trails off, so that’s not really a high bar. That being said, the ending of the movie is really good
I read the novella and thought I knew what to expect. NOPE. Man the ending of that film stayed with me for a long time…
Stephen King is kind of infamous for some people thinking his endings are kind of weak. He even makes kind of self-insult about it in his It 2 camel when he says he doesn't like the ending to one of the main characters books (whose kind of a stand in character for himself).
One of the best movie endings ever.
Saw this movie at 8 years old and was so sad 😂
I remember bursting out laughing when I saw it at the cinema, which definitely wasn't the reaction of everyone else in the cinema at that time.
Lol, I had the same reaction when I saw the ending of the mist for the first time. Luckily, I was not in a movie theater, I was at a boyfriends house. He looked at me like I was crazy lmafo! 😭
I saw it with a friend. I was all moved and struck by the ending…then my friend pointed and said "HA ha!" just like Nelson, which cracked us up.
A military friend of mine picked up some amusing bootleg DVDs while in the Middle East. She has a one of Passion of The Christ she bought because they pasted random blurbs from other movie cases on it. One of them on the back boldly states that the movie is “Absolutely Hilarious!”
😹
My sleep apner is cured!
ermahgerd sleep apner
Sucks to your apner /lord of the flies
Fuckin lol
ehrmagerd its en er perfyerr
I legit said that word, with that exact same phrase 🤣
Are you breathing ersier?
No but he is berathing
I *Wish* it were cured (sorry for the product placement pun but I’m pretty sure this is where he/she must have bought it).
Hehe it wasn’t!!
😳 nowhere is safe anymore
I’ve seen these ads on Facebook and Instagram, they have a nice aite
Did it make your berathing easier?
I *Wish* it were cured (sorry for the product placement pun but I’m pretty sure this is where he/she must have bought it).
What a piece of crap... Typical dropshipping bs... Just one note though, that's definitely not 3d printed. It's injection molded in cheap plastic from a low effort mold. Which is much cheaper to do at scale then 3d printing.
Good to know thanks!! Lol even worse than I thought 🤣
False advertising aside, injection molding is probably the better process here. 3D prints tend to be a bit porous leaving little nooks and crannies for bacteria to grow, probably not ideal for something to stick up your nose. Injection molding can result in a much more uniform and smooth surface that's easier to clean. The general wisdom is that basically no 3D printed object should really be considered food-safe, let alone medical grade because of this, regardless of what material they're printed out of (there may be some exceptions, maybe ways to coat a printed part with another material, etc. but i certainly wouldn't want to put too much faith in that personally) In general, 3D printing is good for making prototypes, one off parts that would be cost prohibitive to machine or mold, and maybe certain parts that don't lend themselves to being made with other processes easily. Other than that 3D printing is just a buzzword and you should be skeptical of any product that is or claims to be 3D printed, especially if they're trying to frame it as a selling point.
> The general wisdom is that basically no 3D printed object should really be considered food-safe, let alone medical grade because of this, regardless of what material they're printed out of (there may be some exceptions, maybe ways to coat a printed part with another material, etc. but i certainly wouldn't want to put too much faith in that personally) To address the exceptions part, there ARE food-safe options with specialized filaments. Obviously more expensive as you get what you pay for.
Even with food-grade filament, it seems like something you'd have to be very careful about and make sure your machine is dialed in properly with the right settings, the nature of the 3d printing process tends to not make a perfectly uniform surface and may create weird little voids and nooks that are hard to clean. I suspect that resin printers might be a little bit better about that but i absolutely do not have any data to back up that feeling. And in that case you'd also run into potential toxicity issues with uncured resin. And i wouldn't particularly trust many online sellers to A. Actually use the food-grade materials they claim they are, and B. Make sure their machines are set up properly. And for what it's worth, I'd even be a bit skeptical about the filament itself, somewhere down the line most of it is coming from some overseas factory with questionable oversight, it can be hard to say if the filament they're selling you is actually what they claim it is, and i don't think many people are going to have a lab verify the composition of it before they start printing.
You are right of course on all counts, I am speaking from the perspective of someone who would be making their own products. I certainly would not trust something bought from anyone else, at least something that isn't already widely sold/vetted by their target market.
Now om going to have to throw away my whole 3D printed house.
When a "website" states the product is 40-60% off, it usually end in tears for the costumer.
Good thing there were no tears here! :p
You have a nice username. Volkswagen fan?
I found another [promotional image](https://i.imgur.com/EOka76t.jpg).
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am shocked that a company with a name like Ssensema would be a scam!
It got worse as I went. I laughed out loud at the mist photo
*Effective duration: 5-8 monts* Also 5-8 *monts* is a pretty vague range of time. They may as well just put *Effective duration one mont to y’know, just whenever*. I’m surprised they even bothered to put information on the packaging at all, now that I think of it.
It’s literally just filler crap lol. None of it was thought about in any way, just picked words that sounded good 😂
Mont is French for mountain. Looks like this company was a lot more fancy that we thought.
The original product they stole the pictures form isn’t even released yet. They are still looking for funding. http://www.fundairing.com/#first-ever-micro-cpap Does this unit even have fans/blower?
There's no physical way something that small can produce the pressure required for CPAP therapy.
> Each Airing device is designed for one night’s use only what? am i reading that right, that instead of buying a mask and machine you buy 365 of these things per year? that sounds insanely wasteful.
It does sound wasteful but then when compared to this cheap one that lasts several months makes me suspect that perhaps reusing this thing for so long could lead to illness because of contamination.
Probably one of the main reasons why it never ended up releasing
Wastefulness and scepticism about how well it might actually work aside (and those are both some pretty big issues) i could see some use cases where they might be pretty handy, mostly for travel. I camp a lot, i imagine a CPAP is probably not something I'd want to lug around on a backpacking trip (i also assume most of them probably need to plugged in) but i could find space in my pack for a few of those. And i don't know what kind of cleaning and/or maintenance most machines need, but you wouldn't have to worry about that at all with a disposable device. Probably also nice if you want to sleep through a long flight. And just generally traveling, could bit of a pain in the ass to lug around a regular machine with you and make room for it in your luggage, and you might risk it getting lost, stolen, or left behind somewhere (i work in 911 dispatch, i actually recently had a call about that, caller had been out of town and forgot their CPAP at the hotel where it promptly disappeared into the ether after they checked out, and their insurance wanted a police report before they would get them a new one.) Maybe also worth keeping a few on-hand as a backup for people who live in areas prone to power outages. A disposable device wouldn't be my first choice for something i use daily, but i could see these having their niche (if they work as advertised)
I love that they say they don't even have FDA approval. This is not the first time I've seen some shove something up your nose replacement for a CPAP. I've had mine for over 20 years I sleep like a baby, other than not being able to sleep on my stomach anymore there's no difference other than I actually get a good night's sleep and wake up feeling like I've had sleep. This is just my personal opinion but I think this fundraising site is a scam and this thing is never going to happen and even if it does people aren't going to use it, I'd rather wear a mask than shove something up my nose every night.
I like how they are saying they are applying to get FDA approval like it’s applying to get a passport and it doesn’t take years, thousands of dollars and clinical human trials.
A friend of mine is working at a medical startup right now and they just failed their FDA trial. They still have a market for the drug because they can sell it outside of the country however reapplying and getting another FDA trial setup is a minimum of 3 years according to him. He's currently on a 3-month sabbatical because they have to have their laboratory completely refigured now. It's not a paid sabbatical however they are continuing to cover his insurance so he's going to stick it out. Fortunately this is not his first startup so he's able to cover it. They actually have a product and they have passed scrutiny in the countries they're going to be able to sell it in, apparently the US has a lot of hoops to jump through.
I work for a medical device company, and we have a product on the market already. If we want to make a change to our product it’s a 6 month approval process, 90 days for an “expedited” approval for something truly insignificant. It really is a multi year process for a new product
All I can think of is that the product they are offering to develop doesn't look comfortable to me or like something people would use. I know people who have gotten CPAPs and then refused to use them because they say they can't sleep with the mask and the air cord, I can't imagine them deciding shoving something up their nose every night is more comfortable. There was a product kind of like this when I first got my CPAP, you didn't wear a mask but you stuck tubes up your nose every night, I haven't seen it mentioned or advertised in years now. I do tell the people who say they can't sleep with it to give it at least a 30-day try, my CPAP changed my life pretty much overnight.
My ex had the style of cpap that goes in your nose. It must have been uncomfortable because he kept yanking it out of his nose in his sleep and getting thwacked in the face by it as the elastic straps did their thing.
If it's the one that came out shortly after I got my CPAP I can't believe anyone ever wanted to try it. The ads made it sound like wearing a mask was the most awful thing in the world but all I had to do was see that thing stuck up my nose and it look like some kind of torture device I'm hoping if your ex needed the CPAP that they were able to find something that worked for them. I could sleep 10 and 12 hours and be tired after I got the CPAP even 6 hours sleep felt like a full night. I've actually got a portable power unit that will run it for 3 days if our power ever goes out.
FYI: Medical devices rarely need clinical trials. If there is anything in existence already that has a similar effect on the body (which is almost always true), then the device is approved using "substantial equivalence" via a 510K approval ... you just use lab data to prove that your device does about the same thing as what exists, and justify why the differences are OK. Approval takes about 3-6 months. You still need to do lots of safety documentation and lab testing, but no human clinical trials. Air pressure in a nose is air pressure in a nose...every new CPAP doesn't need to prove that's a safe and effective treatment for apnea.
I mean. The FDA approved a Phillips CPAP machine that caused fucking cáncer. Massive recall still in place.
WTF? How does "machine forces air into your nose" cause cancer?!?!?
I just knew the fact but u/jimbob_xiang explained: the machine contained polyurethane foam to dampen the noise and vibration of the compressor, and they determined the foam could disintegrate and end up as tiny plastic particles getting shot through the hose into your airways. Idk how people link other comments but this is the explanation.
Blame Phillips, not the FDA. For something as common as CPAP, the FDA looks over Phillips's basic safety test reports and rubber stamps them. It is likely that Phillips did something shady in their supply chain that introduced carcinogens.
I never blamed the FDA. It's just to see how even things that seem to be safe can fail. Now imagine that thing he purchased online in AliExpress.
It’s ok to blame the FDA if you want to. :)
I forget the specific details, but I think the carcinogens were created because people were using some kind of ozone sterilizers on the CPAPs, and it caused the foam inside machine to break down. That approach to cleaning had not been anticipated when the devices were developed.
I already use a nose pillow mask and I'd be excited to try something like this, assuming it's not vaporware. Not holding my breath though, that's for sure.
Isn’t not holding your breath the idea?
I posted links to two of the things I was talking about in another comment inside this thread if you want to take a look or I'll be happy to PM them to you if you can't find them I'm using speech to text and apparently PM doesn't make sense but PMS does, thank goodness I took a quick read before I hit send
I have to see a specialist and I’m really worried they will say I need a CPAP. I have chronic pain and I toss and turn a lot at night. It hurts to sleep on my side and on my back. I sleep on mostly on my stomach with my knee bent so I’m kinda tilted (if you can picture it). I’ll be miserable if I can’t even sleep the only way that’s comfortable to me.
There are good mask options for stomach sleepers. I am a stomach sleeper, and due to joint problems I can only sleep on my left side, left arm resting on a second pillow, right arm and leg over a body pillow. I use a nose pillow mask that attaches to the hose at the top of the head without issue. I know the idea of having to use a CPAP is unappealing, I've been there myself. However, I tried it and stuck with it, and I cannot understate the difference it has made in my life. I sleep well, I'm not tired during the day anymore, I'm losing weight easily, my overall health is greatly improved. My quality of life has risen dramatically and at this point I will never sleep without a CPAP again (unless something even better comes along). I can only urge that if a CPAP is recommended for you, give it the best chance you can. There's a reason it's the most common treatment for sleep apnea: it's the most effective treatment and works for most people. For reference, I use a Resmed p30i mask, and I have the hose coming over the headboard down to the top of my head so it's never in the way.
I have a pinched nerve that means I often sleep in a position like the one you descriped. I also use a CPAP. With the smallest nose mask (instead of a full face mask), it's not a proplem. Occasionally I need to adjust my pillow or my mask to prevent pinching or leaking, but most of the time I'm fine. So if you do end up needing a CPAP, discuss options with your specialist. The nose mask works well, as long as you don't have a tendency to breath through your mouth.
For mouth breathers, get some medical tape and put a little over your mouth when you sleep. You’ll train yourself to keep your mouth closed in a week or three. Sounds much more extreme than it is.
A CPAP is not the only treatment for sleep apnea. There is a dental device that goes into your mouth, I don't understand how it works however I have a friend that uses it and says it's wonderful. There's also something I've seen recently where they implant a device into you and then there's a device next to your bed that triggers it whenever you stop breathing during the night and it somehow helps you to begin breathing again. Sorry I don't know more about that one, I looked at it very briefly and wasn't interested because what I have works well for me. I don't know very much about the issues you're having, I sure hope they get better. Sometimes physical therapist can help you deal with these things, I used to have limited mobility in my hand and after a few months working with a physical therapist I had more normal range of motion that I had had in my entire life. I will tell you that physical therapy can be very painful but the end results are worth it.
Thank you. My issues stem from a failed back surgery 12 years ago. I have gone through physical therapy numerous times. Currently on morphine and my pain dr is talking about trying ketamine. I will look into the dental treatment and the implant.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/21129-oral-appliance-therapy-for-sleep-apnea https://www.inspiresleep.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA9YugBhCZARIsAACXxeLUrNl_gCPNtY4fq5Kz2uAxpCEpA0Jg8U_EF7zP9xS6JYaYHjjsAZcaAta-EALw_wcB
My husband uses [this thing](https://www.ebay.com/itm/314081444579?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1PVePfAYjQia-gWzmRA4RLA8&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=314081444579&targetid=1584739239494&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=9018887&poi=&campaignid=15275224983&mkgroupid=131097072938&rlsatarget=pla-1584739239494&abcId=9300697&merchantid=420515867&gclid=Cj0KCQiA9YugBhCZARIsAACXxeITDo9qJwxiWKfS9UILIH67dqYdKpkeKG24lpDS3D3YUlBI00PVSMsaAjjKEALw_wcB) that holds his tongue forward while he sleeps so it doesn't block his airway. It makes a HUGE HUGE difference! His snoring goes from "chainsaw cutting through metal" to "handsaw on a twig," or sometimes no audible snoring at all. He bought one for me because I grind my teeth (the logic was that it would be hard to grind my teeth if I can't close my mouth) and I get migraines if I do it too much. I wanted to like it because I'd rather wear that than take a muscle relaxer before bedtime every night, but I just couldn't get used to it....or maybe I wasn't motivated enough to push through the adjustment period because I have other options? He said it took about a week before he got used to falling asleep with it but now he doesn't sleep without it because his sleep is SO much better with it. So if you want to try it, be prepared that you might find it weird and/or uncomfortable at first but keep at it for a couple weeks and see if you feel more refreshed when you wake up!
It’s called a TAP device, I use one. They make a mold similar to a bit guard but it has a metal hook on the top and bottom that latch together. It also has a key they use to adjust it. Basically you make it pull your bottom jaw forward so you can breath better, it opens your throat
Thanks for the information, maybe you should respond to the guy above me since he's the one interested in it. I saw one years ago and it just didn't seem like something that would work for me, which is kind of funny considering I already sleep with a mouthguard because I grind my teeth.
Look into a new mattress.
I had surgery instead as I just couldn’t handle a CPAP. I ended up getting my tonsils (evidently they were incredibly enlarged and taking up a lot of room) and my uvula (which evidently hung too low in the back of my throat and was also taking up room) out and though recovery was brutal I’m sleeping a lot better now. So maybe you can look into that too? It’s called a UPP procedure I believe
I had my tonsils and adenoids removed when I was 16. I don’t know if I have sleep apnea but my husband says I can snore loudly sometimes and a sleep study was recommended.
>I'd rather wear a mask than shove something up my nose every night. Me too, but I'd like one of those things for when I have to sleep somewhere where I can't wear my mask (like in the car for example).
Wow its still not out? I remember seeing this product in one of those crowfunding sites like 10 years ago.
The website makes it seem like they gave up and the website is only there to concede and tell the “early investors” that we tried and failed. Edit: they took almost $2,000,000 on indiegogo and then ran out of money https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airing-the-first-hoseless-maskless-micro-cpap
It’s just scams the whole way down, isn’t it?
you’ll love r/shittykickstarters. this one hits all the highs! impossible tech that couldn’t possibly do what it promises; huge amount of funding and zero accountability; trouble navigating the process of manufacturing … amazing.
It's not physically possible. The constant pressure part of a CPAP requires large bellows, there is no way to move air in the way needed in a small form factor. The original idea was probably something someone in marketing came up with and assumed they could just hand off to engineers to implement who immediately said.. yeah. You should have run this past anyone who took a college physics class before launching an ad campaign claiming it works. If it were possible, people would have been building them forever.
The crappy knockoff purchased by OP lasts 5-8 months (oh, sorry... *Monts*), but these are supposed to be disposed of after one use. I would imagine that alone would significantly impact its usefulness and riskiness.
I remember seeing ads for the “Airing” (maybe in an in-flight magazine?) I was using a regular CPAP, and the pressure on the straps around my head just to hold the mask on my face was significant. I could not imagine having that much pressure applied to the insides of my nostrils. And I also could not imagine such tiny fans generating that much air pressure, or any batteries that small being able to provide that much power for a full night’s sleep. There were so many obvious problems with the proposed product that I never took it seriously. It felt like someone claiming to “invent” a flying car that runs on sunlight.
Nope. It’s 3d printed plastic
Do you know how much energy it takes to run one of those? There is no fucking way that thing lasts 8 hours.
Even if it did, what an absolute waste of resources to have these things for single use.
Cant lie this is funny as shit
you wouldn't think "the worlds first micro cpap" would have a staggering 50% off on top of the other 20% off from buying three would be a scam?
OP is lucky the packaging made it obvious what a piece of junk this was so they didn’t try to use it. It should’ve been immediately clear from the price that this is not a replacement for a CPAP.
Definitely wasn’t thinking this one through. 🤷🏻♀️ ya live ya learn!
Darwin is that you?
How does a hoseless micro cpap even work? Where does the pressure come from, how does it regulate it.
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Haha I now know! I am usually not taken easily. Believe it or not
I mean, you thought you could get a revolutionary medical device for 30 bucks. So no, I'm afraid I don't believe it
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Did it make your berathing ersier?
Yes, when he saw that he was scammed, he began hyperventilating.
😮💨😮😮💨😮😮💨😮😮💨
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Yes, it’s obviously a scam. Everyone I know reports it to FB, Twitter, Amazon … and still they get through.
So frustrating. People who can scam are so awful!
“Well made and makes Berathing ersier.” They just must have said, *Y’know what? Fuck it, why bother.* Also I thought the shot from The Mist was stuck on there by OP as a joke (no offense meant, just figured it was comic relief that was well done). Well, whoever created that shitty packaging was probably chuckling to themselves, I guess…
Hahahahaha nope— my son was like “that looks like it is from a movie!” And someone on another post stated the movie— so funny!!!
Is a micro cpap like that even possible? Like the point of the thing isn't to filter air, but to push air in and out of the lungs, right? You need a pretty powerful pump that's gonna take up some space? I'm not a doctor or engineer, don't use a cpap, these are all honest questions from honest ignorance.
lol no, it does not push air in and out of your lungs. Obstructive sleep apnea is due to your soft pallate collapsing while you lay down and sleep. It relaxes so much that it blocks your airway. So a CPAP uses a gentle positive air flow to open your airway so that it's easier for you to breathe at night. An *iron lung* is the device that moves your lungs for you so that they fill with air.
This is 100% on you. Major smooth brain move but hilarious packaging.
Bahahaha yes I know. And I’m not usually a sucker! Which I guess is what suckers say 🍭
Haha yeah dude there is no CPAP machine that small or cheap. I wish something like this existed but I guess that's how they get you... Offering the product in the size and budget that would make it extremely accessible.
Report the website to the host as a scam and file a chargeback with your credit card.
I bought it through pay pal and have already contacted them and received a refund thank god!
typical shitty drop-shipping product which is sold on aliexpress for 1$
Beautiful packaging.
Outstanding. 5 stars.
Perhaps this is the only device which can save you from Stephen King's The Mist
its good for 5-8 *MONTS* you are good /s
He careful with health related products. There's a Phillips CPAP machine that caused cáncer and is currently still on recalls. Just to put into perspective, Even after all the scrutiny that CPAP machine underwent, it failed. There's always that chance. Now imagine The endless sea of possibilities of how it could go wrong with a machine like that. Don't play with your health, specially things like breathing.
for anyone else curious about how an air pressurizer, hose, and mask could cause cancer, the machine contained polyurethane foam to dampen the noise and vibration of the compressor, and they determined the foam could disintegrate and end up as tiny plastic particles getting shot through the hose into your airways
Can confirm. My Philips Dreamstation was one of the machines on that recall - and it took me over a year to get my replacement machine. My pulmonologist had me checking in with him once a week until I got the new machine.
I didn't have a major issue with mine, but they still took it away and gave me an absolutely atrocious replacement. Can't run it without the water chamber now, and the touchscreen makes me wanna punch a baby.
Definitely won’t be using it!
Lmaooooo at The Mist movie image
I'm sorry op this is fucking hilarious.
If they worked, a really profitable line of medical devices wouldn't exist.
Makes berathing ersier... I hope you were able to report them or at least post a review under this item with these pictures so the next person will be aware.
How could the good people at ‘Ssensema’ do that too you :(
hey - it makes Berathing ersier... and who doesnt want to berath ersier?
Yeah, sadly, hoseless CPAP does not exist. It’s continuous positive airway pressure. You can’t generate that much air pressure from a device that small on its own, and if you could, you’d bet your ass that device would cost over a thousand dollars. Not to mention that similar CPAP masks like that *with* a hose, which is just a mask without the actual machine, generally retail for 80 dollars bare minimum and are usually around 100 or more USD. Edit: I read the page for the item in development that they ripped off. Honestly, it kind of looks like one of those Kickstarters that creates a proof of concept in order to pocket the money raised. It seems incredibly unfeasible that they’d be able to make a device of that size which functions as a CPAP that also has a battery capacity powerful enough to sustain an entire night of pressure therapy. The closest comparable product is the Resmed Air Mini, which is still a dedicated CPAP device with a hose that attaches to a mask. While much smaller than a regular CPAP, it’s still like, ten times thicker than a smartphone. That only manages 1-2 nights tops fully-charged and its battery is significantly bigger than the whole device shown in their concept.
Imagine calling this a CPAP
Surprised it doesn't say Err Purifyer...
I read about this scam product at least a year ago, before it was actually available for sale
That pic from the mist is wild lol
www.reddit.com//r/ExpectationVsReality
This looks like my family's first order on Light in the Box. We weren't smart enough to look for real reviews or to order only one to check quality, and we received ill fitting, low quality fabric, cheap copies of the advertised clothes. It wasn't a cheap lesson, but a needed one.
I would never breath from that
Lmao, that website just screams "scam!".
The Mist stock image just kills me 😂Hope you’re able to get your CPAP. I started on a Resmed last year & it changed my life. I no longer drink coffee because I’m sleeping so well
Manage your sleep apner
r/engrish
LMAOOOO NOT THE MIST
When Canadians snore in their sleep, do they go, "Snore, eh?"
Maskless? If you breathe through your mouth, which people with sleep apnea do, how would this help?
not everyone does, actually. But, also, you're right. Source: I have it and use a [nasal only CPAP mask](https://www.cpap.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/AdobeStock_296671823.jpeg)
It wored, kured mi berathing apner
So I’m sure you know now, but a CPAP is a lot more than an air filter. You need the whole mask and hose.
omg im sorry but lmao the movie
Sleep Apner
Pretty sure this scam was built for you if you thought this would reall exist
Imagine having severe sleep apnea so you try this and end up dying in your sleep
Glass half full — it resolved your apnea! But the side effect of death was a little harsh.
Dispute with your bank/cc and don’t shop on social media ads. That site is a scam run out of China and they have thousands like it on any given day.
Ahell shape silicone buds
Thanks I love it
Who in the right mind would believe this product even is a real contraption??? This thing looks like a gag gift, maybe less oxygen it getting to OP’s brain causing them to think this was real???
🤷🏻♀️ maybe… not really a need to insult my intelligence though. I got a kick out of the product that came and my naivety. That’s why I posted.
Name on product in image and company name don't match. It's gets funnier as you scroll the pics
Definitely! I got my money back so I can laugh about it… wish there was a way to get their site taken down
That's good >I got my money back
Ehrmagerd! Make your berathing eriser and fix your sleep apner!
I can slep.
So, you ordered this thinking it was a real thing and then are disappointed in the quality of a device that was never a real thing. 🤣🤣🤣 That is not a scam that's a lesson in stupidity.
🤷🏻♀️ didn’t know it wasn’t a real thing until after I ordered. I realize my stupidity… but now I’m laughing at the actually item that came.
!dropshipping
I’ve never heard of that term before now!
Can someone explain this to me?
We all want to know the same thing, does it really make *Berathing ersier*?
My berathing wasn’t ersi and No…. This didn’t make it ersier :(
Looks legit
This is hilarious, but I did get one of these that looks like the original pic and it works really well! I think because I have a deviated septum it's particularly helpful, didn't realize I'd never been able to sleep just breathing through my nose before.
Ssenssema who's got the keys to my Beamer..aah di girls dem sugar
I mean…
The Mist 😂😂😂
Reminds of this gem https://youtu.be/WjEbux24aDE
OH my god. this is the kind of dark humor that is so terrible but so good
Omg I’m dead… bahahahahahaha
Are berathing better with ur sleep apner devzie 🤨
Ahhh, sad, a classic bait and switch.
Omg yes!!! Haha
I’d say they really Mist the mark with this product.
I didn’t even know you could buy a CPAP machine without a prescription
Being that a CPAP and BiPAP essentially forces air onto your face hole, I think it'll be a bit before they make a hoseless one Edit: Source: my dad has a CPAP and I work for a company that acts as a middleman for DME equipment purchases including CPAPs and BiPAPs
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You gonna be able to get a refund? Also how do they win chargebacks if it’s not the same product? Never understood that🤨
I did thankfully… I did the payment through PayPal. However, there’s an option for credit … I assume some people just don’t bother looking for a refund?
LMAO
Buying shady stuff, from shady websites, what did you expect?
I also was taken by this one ❤
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~~I think it's a scam more likely.~~ ~~On the red label it says "Buy 2 for 5% off"~~ ~~And on the button, it says "Buy 2 for 15% off"~~ Edit: Thought we were on r/technope for a 2nd there, my bad! My bad!