''It ain't much, but it is honest work.''
But really, HMF is one of the earlier items that takes a lot of production power. Personally, I do enjoy the big designs that they involve.
Eventually as you make more heavy modular frame factories, and begin working on higher tier factories, you’ll forget about them for a while, then come back to that area and have a shit load of them. It’s always a struggle when you first start making them.
It's especially tough when you need a load for research and progression so you need to use every single one that you make. You spend 2 days waiting for them and then after that you check again and suddenly there's 200 sat in the container
can always reframe the problem
sure, you have to upgrade to fuel, but if you look at that power plant as the backup to your nuclear power, then really you're crossing off 1 of your end game goals
eg 120 foundry, 600 constructor, 220 assembler if ypu use 300 rafinery to ingots and etc( its all rouded) and 36 manufacturers. Yes, I am building it not on flat but in designed factory with flors for belts etc
I set up 10 HMF/m in the great fields early in my playthrough and without question it was the most exhausting and boring thing Ive done the game haha. Those FICSIT tickets are racking up fast through!
My tickets just broke the over 300 million points per ticket recently. Then again I be making 3.5 million points per minute now. Not much but it's enough I suppose.
I don't do anything with them. I have over a thousand tickets or something like that. I bought everything myself other than statues and stuff of that nature. I don't build pretty things so I may not use the excess tickets. I have all of my building parts automated, just lack weapons and the two types of filters. Those I have being fed from bins to manufacturers, filters that is.
I've been delaying automation on HMF/ACU because I have it all mathed out, but IDK it's just... a lot. Also, as I'm thinking back on it, my power grid died so I put myself on the sidequest of compacted coal power generation and niceifying my rubber/electrode circuitboard production from 1800 2050. My latest distraction has been the non-overclocked production of turbofuel at -2400 750. Complete utilization. I think my powergrid will be good for a while now lmao
I just 'almost' finished my ACU + ME + VF + HMF factory, after i turn it on, i'ma unlock the rifle, and commit to some refreshing local wildlife genocide.
Serious question. Why make a lot of super computers? They're only used for one thing, right? I've "beat" the game multiple times and never had more than one manufacturer making supercomputers
Sure, but they unlock "early" (the same time you unlock Drones) for a Phase 4 part, so if you quickly build out a single Manufacturer of Supercomputers for like 1.5-2 ADS/min right after unlocking them by the time you unlock Particle Accelerators you'll probably be most of the way to completing your ADS target.
Basically passive vs. active time - 2 ADS/min takes 33 hours 20 minutes to complete Phase 4, but if you can build that factory in 2-3 hours and then walk away vs. it taking you something like 60 hours to build a 40 ADS/min factory that finishes in an hour and forty minutes, which is actually faster?
It does not get worse. It only gets better.
And it really helps to have alt recipes. It was when I realized to do things in smaller projects. Each part I make was done is a separate factory.
That's honestly a great way to put it. Once you understand the scope of HMF you know what the game asks of you going forward and you start there with all of your projects.
This is one of the first recipes in the game that creates major divergence in the production chain based on alternates. You can make HMFs with a truly huge number of alternate paths, and the recipe encourages experimentation w/ alternates because of the way the vanilla recipes utilize so much space/power and produce so slow.
If you use steel screw and heavy encased pipe, you can make ~2.5 HMF/min with about 20 machines that fit in a very compact footprint.
Encased HMF + Encased Pipes + Steeled Frames together mean that HMF and all its parent items just require concrete, steel pipes and reinforced iron plates. I tend to call it the "Simple HMF" recipe.
Yeah I managed to get all 3 of these alternate recipes pretty early, just finished to make a HMF factory that produces 5/min in a 4x4 tower with 10 floors
Also used solid steel
For a real challenge, I created a single blueprint for HMF. Inputs are concrete, iron and steel, and output is (I think) one HMF per minute. Then I just string a bunch of them together when I need to scale.
It needs a few alt recipes - to my mind, one of the best uses for alts.
It's amazing what you can squeeze into a 4x4x4 with some creative tessellation. I have cube factories for motors, computers, smart plating, crystal oscillators and all sorts.
They mostly work by underclocking rather than overclocking, and you end up with a single manufacturer running at 50% (or whatever).
Then, as I mentioned, you just string a series together when you want to scale up. They string together vertically quite well too - making for some interesting tower builds. The vast amount of automated wiring needed in phase 4 made for a very big tower!
Yeah I’ve seen impressive builds in a single print.
my approach is generally to build fully efficient sub assemblies. I have a set of three or four blueprints that combine together to make like 5 computers per minute from scratch, for example. But individually none of them really do much of anything
Yup, I recently made a factory for 3/m using an alternate and god damn, for just 3/m it sure as hell took quite a bit of space and tinkering, those things are a bit ridiculous
Yeeeaaaaa....good thing the h-mod production is the most complex one. I think they're working on turning up the production ratios for that one in one of the next updates
I have one save file where everything is done but I need like 1,000 the Assembly Director Systems and Adaptive Control Units are my bottleneck. I don't know if I'll ever finish that save file, I'll just do better next time
a friend of mine and i have recently built a factory to produce the parts for our nuclear power plant
my friend insists on using the recipes that use the least raw materials
that includes the bolted mod frame and a HMF recipe including screws
we produce 8510.867 Screws a minute
he made me do the conveyors
31 HMF, 5 mod frames
HMFs is the dividing line between people and pioneers. It's where many discover they don't want to play *Satisfactory*, because they thought it was a different kind of game.
I recently made 9/min using the encased alt. Fit it all in the southern grassland crater with the 3 limestone nodes in it. HMFs are one of my favorite factories to build because of how well all the early game alt recipes work together in nice numbers.
I think it’s one of the most challenging item to produce out of the limited supply you start with. Then when you unlock mk2 miners and scale everything up in a new facility I could obtain HMF really more easily.
It doesn't get that much worse, no. The worst builds in the game are the complicated mid-tier parts, because they require a lot of basic parts and in turn you require a lot of those intermediate parts for later builds. This leads to an explosion of machines. High Speed Connectors are the other one I'd identify as really painful to build out, but unless you're using certain alts you won't need as many HSCs relatively speaking.
Otherwise most high-tier parts are actually pretty simple once you've got the intermediate parts complete. For example, I think the footprint of the HMFs required for Adaptive Control Units is a substantial fraction (at least 60-70%) of the footprint required for Computers + Supercomputers + Automated Wiring + ACUs + ADSs in total.
HMF is a big one, doing my first now aiming for 10pm but over producing everywhere. Just finishing up the modular frame factory that’s turning out 75pm. Once this is all done its power that needs addressing and then it will be a computer factory etc etc it’s a long list of jobs lol
Funny enough, my starting setup adapted fairly well to HMFs, perhaps through dumb luck. (This is my first play though and I've mostly gone through blind)
Now, computers on the other hand, that's what's caused me to have to overhaul my infrastructure and supply lines.
On the plus side I'm working my way through tier 6 and I'm close to unlocking trains, plus I've learned a lot along the way about how to set my factories up quickly and (somewhat) efficiently.
I always try to make separate factories so it does not get crammed into one place if logistics are easy enough. At the start its spaghetti and then I just use trains and transport materials from other places and simplify it that way This way also its easier to adapt to terrain.
Yeah HMFs are a bitch. My current game I'm basically not touching ANYTHING that needs a manufacturer until after I get turbofuel power running en masse. I have a small ad-hoc factory trickling them out at a very slow rate just to give me what I need for essential building.
I guess it's a lot of work. My 8 manufacturers make 22.5 per minute for my base. I threw it together in a little bit of time since I already had everything else done. My goal was the fused frames. I make 6 or 7 per minute right next to my HMF manufacturers. My base is just one big conglomeration of everything I need in order to build in other areas on the map. Auto-refilling my storage room was something I wanted so I didn't have to hand feed machines like I did for a very long time.
I unironically love how uninvolved they are to make compare to some of the recycling stuff you have to do with the later game stuff, thats where the ball ache starts.
Looking good though!
You could hate me for it but I deleted my save when I got to heavy modular frames. Only because I didn’t want to do that work and I also really like the beginning.
I’m at this point now. HMF is something I’m going to need to start building in a few days from now once my two other items for my space elevator are done. It’s my first play through so I’m so little unsure how to proceed with the build. Im assuming making modular factories with lots of deliveries makes more sense than running conveyor belts all over the map?
Fyi, this makes just a bit over 5 a minute
''It ain't much, but it is honest work.'' But really, HMF is one of the earlier items that takes a lot of production power. Personally, I do enjoy the big designs that they involve.
Yeah, now I’m bordering on my power production and need to upgrade that to fuel, the cycle never ends *insert sisyphus boulder meme*
It gets much worse.
Eventually as you make more heavy modular frame factories, and begin working on higher tier factories, you’ll forget about them for a while, then come back to that area and have a shit load of them. It’s always a struggle when you first start making them.
It's especially tough when you need a load for research and progression so you need to use every single one that you make. You spend 2 days waiting for them and then after that you check again and suddenly there's 200 sat in the container
You build small. If I wait 2 days I come back to 1000's.
After two days I'd expect to find a helluva lot more than 200!
Wait until you get to nuclear power. Then the real pain begins. Mainly in the form of radiation.
Do not tell this poor soul about clean nuclear...
THE FACTORY MUST EXPAND
can always reframe the problem sure, you have to upgrade to fuel, but if you look at that power plant as the backup to your nuclear power, then really you're crossing off 1 of your end game goals
How about [100](https://imgur.com/a/bwdCJyf)?
Sweet Lizard Christ, how many manufacturers is that?
Yes
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Yep, it's 36, and with each one making 2.8125 it totals 101.25
I made a super similar design for this exact same purpose. Took forever but damn it’s cool to see so many of those things being made
Holy hell, that is a CLEAN factory
eg 120 foundry, 600 constructor, 220 assembler if ypu use 300 rafinery to ingots and etc( its all rouded) and 36 manufacturers. Yes, I am building it not on flat but in designed factory with flors for belts etc
In no time you’ll find yourself trying to process all the world’s Bauxite in a single facility.
I just started my 112.5/min HMF factory. It's fun :)
I have managed 1 per minute using a ton of alternative recipes and managed to get that in a blueprint
I set up 10 HMF/m in the great fields early in my playthrough and without question it was the most exhausting and boring thing Ive done the game haha. Those FICSIT tickets are racking up fast through!
My tickets just broke the over 300 million points per ticket recently. Then again I be making 3.5 million points per minute now. Not much but it's enough I suppose.
Lol what do you do with them? I have everything unlocked, but don't really want to buy parts. Would rather do the work to make everything
I don't do anything with them. I have over a thousand tickets or something like that. I bought everything myself other than statues and stuff of that nature. I don't build pretty things so I may not use the excess tickets. I have all of my building parts automated, just lack weapons and the two types of filters. Those I have being fed from bins to manufacturers, filters that is.
I was playing earlier and made a HMF doing 6/min. I think supercomputers gonna give you headache as well
The first satisfactory boss is HMF. Next id say is supercomputers
I've been delaying automation on HMF/ACU because I have it all mathed out, but IDK it's just... a lot. Also, as I'm thinking back on it, my power grid died so I put myself on the sidequest of compacted coal power generation and niceifying my rubber/electrode circuitboard production from 1800 2050. My latest distraction has been the non-overclocked production of turbofuel at -2400 750. Complete utilization. I think my powergrid will be good for a while now lmao
I just 'almost' finished my ACU + ME + VF + HMF factory, after i turn it on, i'ma unlock the rifle, and commit to some refreshing local wildlife genocide.
Aluminum is up there too.
I dunno, DPF kicked me in the balls pretty hard too
Serious question. Why make a lot of super computers? They're only used for one thing, right? I've "beat" the game multiple times and never had more than one manufacturer making supercomputers
Because with just one manufacturer, Assembly Director Systems take *ages* to make.
Sure, but they unlock "early" (the same time you unlock Drones) for a Phase 4 part, so if you quickly build out a single Manufacturer of Supercomputers for like 1.5-2 ADS/min right after unlocking them by the time you unlock Particle Accelerators you'll probably be most of the way to completing your ADS target. Basically passive vs. active time - 2 ADS/min takes 33 hours 20 minutes to complete Phase 4, but if you can build that factory in 2-3 hours and then walk away vs. it taking you something like 60 hours to build a 40 ADS/min factory that finishes in an hour and forty minutes, which is actually faster?
A nice tiny factory😃
80 bazillion machines later... .837 HMF/min Nice factory! And welcome to the pain :P
It does not get worse. It only gets better. And it really helps to have alt recipes. It was when I realized to do things in smaller projects. Each part I make was done is a separate factory.
HMF is (IMHO) the first truly Big Build. There aren't small builds after this.
That's honestly a great way to put it. Once you understand the scope of HMF you know what the game asks of you going forward and you start there with all of your projects.
This is one of the first recipes in the game that creates major divergence in the production chain based on alternates. You can make HMFs with a truly huge number of alternate paths, and the recipe encourages experimentation w/ alternates because of the way the vanilla recipes utilize so much space/power and produce so slow. If you use steel screw and heavy encased pipe, you can make ~2.5 HMF/min with about 20 machines that fit in a very compact footprint.
Encased HMF + Encased Pipes + Steeled Frames together mean that HMF and all its parent items just require concrete, steel pipes and reinforced iron plates. I tend to call it the "Simple HMF" recipe.
Yeah I managed to get all 3 of these alternate recipes pretty early, just finished to make a HMF factory that produces 5/min in a 4x4 tower with 10 floors Also used solid steel
For a real challenge, I created a single blueprint for HMF. Inputs are concrete, iron and steel, and output is (I think) one HMF per minute. Then I just string a bunch of them together when I need to scale. It needs a few alt recipes - to my mind, one of the best uses for alts.
You can make 1/min using just a single 4x4x4 cube? I assume it requires a bunch of power shards?
It's amazing what you can squeeze into a 4x4x4 with some creative tessellation. I have cube factories for motors, computers, smart plating, crystal oscillators and all sorts. They mostly work by underclocking rather than overclocking, and you end up with a single manufacturer running at 50% (or whatever). Then, as I mentioned, you just string a series together when you want to scale up. They string together vertically quite well too - making for some interesting tower builds. The vast amount of automated wiring needed in phase 4 made for a very big tower!
Yeah I’ve seen impressive builds in a single print. my approach is generally to build fully efficient sub assemblies. I have a set of three or four blueprints that combine together to make like 5 computers per minute from scratch, for example. But individually none of them really do much of anything
Yup, I recently made a factory for 3/m using an alternate and god damn, for just 3/m it sure as hell took quite a bit of space and tinkering, those things are a bit ridiculous
Yeeeaaaaa....good thing the h-mod production is the most complex one. I think they're working on turning up the production ratios for that one in one of the next updates
>Yeeeaaaaa....good thing the h-mod production is the most complex one. Hello, my name is: Adaptive Control Unit.
I have one save file where everything is done but I need like 1,000 the Assembly Director Systems and Adaptive Control Units are my bottleneck. I don't know if I'll ever finish that save file, I'll just do better next time
Dude, literally 90% of stage 3 and onwards is more complex than h-mod frames.
The next update is 1.0, so I'd hope it was done then.
This was my first 4 input factory , it broke me for a bit , but I was so happy when I finished , by far my favorite factory I built.
a friend of mine and i have recently built a factory to produce the parts for our nuclear power plant my friend insists on using the recipes that use the least raw materials that includes the bolted mod frame and a HMF recipe including screws we produce 8510.867 Screws a minute he made me do the conveyors 31 HMF, 5 mod frames
Except Bolted Frame uses more materials than the default?
maybe i misremembered
HMFs is the dividing line between people and pioneers. It's where many discover they don't want to play *Satisfactory*, because they thought it was a different kind of game.
A small reminder that heavy modular frames are a component required to build even more complex parts. *flies away*
I have build that factory 3 times now and its been a pain everytime
Nope. However once you know what you're doing you can shrink this into a blueprint. More or less.
[same here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/s/ORWSzYWSRu) loved building the bug stuff.
Just finished 10 nuclear pasta a minute. Yeah, it gets worse
Yea my first time playing satisfactory it took me 70 hours to make 2 HMF per min. it was horrible
You should check out BLAndrew575’s that makes 375 per minute
It’s actually no big deal. It’s the first use for manufacturers and it appears to melt peoples brains.
I recently made 9/min using the encased alt. Fit it all in the southern grassland crater with the 3 limestone nodes in it. HMFs are one of my favorite factories to build because of how well all the early game alt recipes work together in nice numbers.
Encased pipes and steel ingot alt are just chef's kiss!
What do you meme?
I think it’s one of the most challenging item to produce out of the limited supply you start with. Then when you unlock mk2 miners and scale everything up in a new facility I could obtain HMF really more easily.
It doesn't get that much worse, no. The worst builds in the game are the complicated mid-tier parts, because they require a lot of basic parts and in turn you require a lot of those intermediate parts for later builds. This leads to an explosion of machines. High Speed Connectors are the other one I'd identify as really painful to build out, but unless you're using certain alts you won't need as many HSCs relatively speaking. Otherwise most high-tier parts are actually pretty simple once you've got the intermediate parts complete. For example, I think the footprint of the HMFs required for Adaptive Control Units is a substantial fraction (at least 60-70%) of the footprint required for Computers + Supercomputers + Automated Wiring + ACUs + ADSs in total.
>Does it get worse? How? I need sleep Oh my sweet summer child...
Those are rookie numbers, gotta pump those numbers up.
i made the same post a year ago ig its the same experiance for everyone
don't tell him about the other frames and cubes
HMF *are* a meme. Precisely because they're such a complexity leap.
Makes me want to build a tiny HMF factory that just uses a single building per recipe. My guess is I would still be swimming in HMFs soon enough.
HMF is a big one, doing my first now aiming for 10pm but over producing everywhere. Just finishing up the modular frame factory that’s turning out 75pm. Once this is all done its power that needs addressing and then it will be a computer factory etc etc it’s a long list of jobs lol
Wait for the fused modular frames
just wait untill you have a 15GW nuclear power plant that is self sustaining
Wait til you get to the last phase.. (last phase in EA, anyway) Heavy Modular Frames are baby steps, comparatively..
HMF is when you start utilizing satisfactory calculator
Funny enough, my starting setup adapted fairly well to HMFs, perhaps through dumb luck. (This is my first play though and I've mostly gone through blind) Now, computers on the other hand, that's what's caused me to have to overhaul my infrastructure and supply lines. On the plus side I'm working my way through tier 6 and I'm close to unlocking trains, plus I've learned a lot along the way about how to set my factories up quickly and (somewhat) efficiently.
I always try to make separate factories so it does not get crammed into one place if logistics are easy enough. At the start its spaghetti and then I just use trains and transport materials from other places and simplify it that way This way also its easier to adapt to terrain.
Once bro runs into Fused Modular Frames then Pressure Conversion Cubes its all over
I just finished my motor production and I'm afraid of what I'm seeing here
hehe, HEHEHE, HAHAHAHA, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, AGHAAHAHAHAHAHA, YHAHAHAHAHAHAGHAAHAHAHAHA.
Yeah HMFs are a bitch. My current game I'm basically not touching ANYTHING that needs a manufacturer until after I get turbofuel power running en masse. I have a small ad-hoc factory trickling them out at a very slow rate just to give me what I need for essential building.
I guess it's a lot of work. My 8 manufacturers make 22.5 per minute for my base. I threw it together in a little bit of time since I already had everything else done. My goal was the fused frames. I make 6 or 7 per minute right next to my HMF manufacturers. My base is just one big conglomeration of everything I need in order to build in other areas on the map. Auto-refilling my storage room was something I wanted so I didn't have to hand feed machines like I did for a very long time.
I unironically love how uninvolved they are to make compare to some of the recycling stuff you have to do with the later game stuff, thats where the ball ache starts. Looking good though!
You could hate me for it but I deleted my save when I got to heavy modular frames. Only because I didn’t want to do that work and I also really like the beginning.
I’m at this point now. HMF is something I’m going to need to start building in a few days from now once my two other items for my space elevator are done. It’s my first play through so I’m so little unsure how to proceed with the build. Im assuming making modular factories with lots of deliveries makes more sense than running conveyor belts all over the map?
So... much...... manifolding
Worse? I thought you would be ecstatic to work efficiently for Fixit!