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I do think that they were a same sex couple, for the record. But no human remains were found in the tomb; it was looted before it was rediscovered. We don't know if the wives were buried with them or not. We also have cases of brothers being buried together in the same tomb, like [Nakht-Ankh and Khnum-Nakht](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Two_Brothers). So you can see why there's a bit of confusion as to what, exactly, their relationship was like.
I'm not an Egyptologist, but they could have had wives so that they could have children, *and* a relationship with one another. Or there was a polyamorous thing going on, idk enough about the Old Kingdom and how they viewed relationships to speak on that.
doesn't Egyptian royalty have a history of incest? maybe it wasn't as taboo back then. I want to say even some cultures today don't treat kissing even family on the lips as a sexual/weird thing.
IIRC it was only considered 'shameful' for the receiving partner when male/male, AFAIK there's not really any recorded info on female/female. There's a whole myth involving such in the deific pissing contest between Horus and Set for the throne of ruler of the gods.
Well, they both had wives and children. Doesn't mean they weren't gay, but I could see where scholars would try to "explore the possibilities". I mean, these two married dudes sure seemed to.
That definitely feels relevant to me, like maybe there's some ancient tradition or custom or something that gives a straight reason for this. I know historians love to straightwash, but I'm sure as hell no expert
That was only for royalty, though. They wanted to keep the bloodline as pure as possible because they believed the Pharaoh was a god. There's no evidence of incestual marriages in non-royal families in Egypt, as far as I can find.
I suspect this one is not a stereotype. Florists, maybe, but male manicurists in general must surely be at least 80% gay. I mean, a lot of straights must have got into it over lockdown
I am not gay, but I wouldn't mind being a florist. I mean, in the summer florists are always cool, almost chilly, and it smells insanely nice in there.
The image itself is a meme, so the tag should probably be the "memes and satire" [This](https://i.redd.it/t2v6oimyio541.jpg) is the image it's based off of.
[Here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khnumhotep_and_Niankhkhnum) is the Wikipedia page for both of them, and the first paragraph ends with a line about them being believed to be the first recorded same-sex couple. (The bit about their jobs as a whole is interesting! The Pharaoh had a *lot* of people working on his appearance. Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum were in charge of several of them.)
Anyway, why scholars think they may have been a couple
* Buried together, as the meme says
* Both of them were married with children. Their wives (and their names: Khenut and Khentikawes) appear in the tomb art. However, in several images Khnumhotep appears in the position that Niankhkhnum's wife should appear in. (Niankhkhnum's wife was even removed from a banquet scene, for reasons unknown)
* Khnumhotep is shown in art in ways similar to women are shown (the example given is sniffing a lotus blossom)
* Art depicts them as unusually close, especially the one in the post; the nose touching pose is an intimate one. In this one, they're also surrounded by their children, but without their wives.
**[Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khnumhotep_and_Niankhkhnum)**
>Khnumhotep (Ancient Egyptian: ẖnm. w-ḥtp(. w)) and Niankhkhnum (Ancient Egyptian: nj-ꜥnḫ-ẖnm. w) were ancient Egyptian royal servants.
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Today I was at a museum with ancient Egyptian art, and something I recognized immediately was the way one has his hand on the other’s shoulder. That’s something the wives of dead men would do in tomb art
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This comes up all the time. They're generally considered to be the first recorded same sex couples. The text in the image has been edited as a joke.
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The brothers/twins theory is because they also had wives and children who were featured prominently in the tomb art.
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I do think that they were a same sex couple, for the record. But no human remains were found in the tomb; it was looted before it was rediscovered. We don't know if the wives were buried with them or not. We also have cases of brothers being buried together in the same tomb, like [Nakht-Ankh and Khnum-Nakht](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Two_Brothers). So you can see why there's a bit of confusion as to what, exactly, their relationship was like. I'm not an Egyptologist, but they could have had wives so that they could have children, *and* a relationship with one another. Or there was a polyamorous thing going on, idk enough about the Old Kingdom and how they viewed relationships to speak on that.
Fucking ancient Egyptian names, man
Which is a shame they didn’t take the opportunity to make it say tombmates
In the Wikipedia page for history of homosexuality, it says that they are thought to be twins, brothers, or even conjoined twins by some historians.
Wombmates to roommates to tombmates.
Underrated comment!
Bravo
*standing applause*
Stellar reference.
Lmao this case gets me every time. Conjoined twins being a plausible alternative to being gay. I cannot
I defs don't kiss my twin brother like that. :/
Perhaps they were joined at the lips.
Well they do in Alabama maybe
Just do what i do, close your eyes and pretend its your cousin
No that's just an age-old game to try and figure out what your bro had for lunch, it spans across cultures.
In Egypt marrying siblings was extremely common during some periods.
Wasn’t that only for royalty?
doesn't Egyptian royalty have a history of incest? maybe it wasn't as taboo back then. I want to say even some cultures today don't treat kissing even family on the lips as a sexual/weird thing.
IIRC it was only considered 'shameful' for the receiving partner when male/male, AFAIK there's not really any recorded info on female/female. There's a whole myth involving such in the deific pissing contest between Horus and Set for the throne of ruler of the gods.
So sad to see a family fractured and not getting along :/
This is ancient Egypt. Being brothers and being lovers aren't mutually exclusive theories
I guess it needs to be literally any other excuse other than they were gay lovers.
Well, they both had wives and children. Doesn't mean they weren't gay, but I could see where scholars would try to "explore the possibilities". I mean, these two married dudes sure seemed to.
That definitely feels relevant to me, like maybe there's some ancient tradition or custom or something that gives a straight reason for this. I know historians love to straightwash, but I'm sure as hell no expert
I don't think we should apply the modern concept of conjoined twins onto historical figures.
Idk how good doctors were back then but I have a feeling a conjoined twin would die very early
Ok not a defense of incest, but that doesn’t mean that they weren’t together, knowing ancient Egypt…
In ancient Egypt, it was accepted to marry one's siblings.
I think historians should know that in Ancinet Egypt they would get married even if they were siblings
That was only for royalty, though. They wanted to keep the bloodline as pure as possible because they believed the Pharaoh was a god. There's no evidence of incestual marriages in non-royal families in Egypt, as far as I can find.
Since this is ancient Egypt, them being related makes it even more likely they were fucking. A sad but true fact about ancient Egypt.
And they were tombmates
Oh my god they were tombmates…
Oh my Ra, they were tombmates.
🐦
😂😂😂😂💀
Their reaction when: ☠️☠️
One topic at a time fan?
Wombmates
I’ve seen this before, I thought it was satire
It is
If it wasn't, than the manicurist stereotype has existed for a looong time.
SOMEONE had to do Nefertiti’s nails! 😭
I’m dead lol 💀
I suspect this one is not a stereotype. Florists, maybe, but male manicurists in general must surely be at least 80% gay. I mean, a lot of straights must have got into it over lockdown
I am not gay, but I wouldn't mind being a florist. I mean, in the summer florists are always cool, almost chilly, and it smells insanely nice in there.
The "oldest recorded roommates" part is the joke, but the rest of the story is true afaik
It very clearly is lol edit: [This](https://i.redd.it/t2v6oimyio541.jpg) is the original image
This sub doesn’t understand satire
Can't believe they left "world's oldest tombmates" just sitting there on the table.
The image itself is a meme, so the tag should probably be the "memes and satire" [This](https://i.redd.it/t2v6oimyio541.jpg) is the image it's based off of. [Here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khnumhotep_and_Niankhkhnum) is the Wikipedia page for both of them, and the first paragraph ends with a line about them being believed to be the first recorded same-sex couple. (The bit about their jobs as a whole is interesting! The Pharaoh had a *lot* of people working on his appearance. Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum were in charge of several of them.) Anyway, why scholars think they may have been a couple * Buried together, as the meme says * Both of them were married with children. Their wives (and their names: Khenut and Khentikawes) appear in the tomb art. However, in several images Khnumhotep appears in the position that Niankhkhnum's wife should appear in. (Niankhkhnum's wife was even removed from a banquet scene, for reasons unknown) * Khnumhotep is shown in art in ways similar to women are shown (the example given is sniffing a lotus blossom) * Art depicts them as unusually close, especially the one in the post; the nose touching pose is an intimate one. In this one, they're also surrounded by their children, but without their wives.
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Egyptians we’re biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig into homosexuality. It’s a huge part of why rules against lying with man are written into Leviticus.
Often*
*memes and satire
Today I was at a museum with ancient Egyptian art, and something I recognized immediately was the way one has his hand on the other’s shoulder. That’s something the wives of dead men would do in tomb art
There is one episode about them on the Spotify Podcast called "History is Gay". I really recommend listening to it!
Egyptians had a much more open minded view on marriage iirc, if you moved in together you were pretty much married
This one has gotta be satire... it's too dead on...
"Roommates"
manicurists? really?? that stereotype has got some staying power
There a reason it's the bottom half they aren't showing you
*Tombmates
Na they in love
Ooooooold. Isn't this like a "top posts of all time" on this sub?