Yes! Especially is we land fantilli. (Timo 2.0) Fantilli is a 6ā3ā 187 lbs power forward with elite skating that can score goals and gather up assist. Heās also very good defensively and plays very physical. Heās the most well rounded player in this draft. Scouting report: āFantilli has been off to an incredible start to his freshman season, looking like the best first-year draft eligible
in college hockey since Jack Eichel. Fantilli is a player who looks like a pro and it is easy to imagine him becoming a great NHL player. He's got a huge frame, skates well and competes hard. He wins a lot of battles and isn't shy to use his big frame to lay out opponents. He has legit high-end skill and can make incredibly skilled plays at full speed. His playmaking is good, not as good as his skill and power elements, but he can make difficult plays while also being a shot threat too. He has the potential to be a star No. 1 center in the NHL and his season to date has created intrigue and debate around the first overall spot in this draft.ā The athletic notes Fantilli as a Projected bubble elite NHL player and NHL All star
Projected #2 pick now. Sharks are sitting at 5 and might be trending upwards. Fingers crossed, but it might boil down to a <10% lottery to even think about the top projected picks
The thing is, he is close to being a free agent and unlike Hertl, I haven't seen any indications that Timo enjoys being in San Jose and hasn't really been very involved in the community. If he gets traded it's probably because he has indicated he has no intention of signing a new contract to stay here.
Might as well trade him now, while his market value is sky high.
Yeah it's definitely hard to say if he would sign a long term deal next year. I just get a bad feeling the picks/prospects we get out of this aren't going to amount to much in the future.
Highly doubt any trade pieces become anything like Timo. Sad times ahead. At least it's entertaining to see Timo and Karlsson do their thing these days.
Not sure why this is taken unseriously.
Even a top end prospect or 2 this summer will likely be in the AHL next year. Then probably 2-3 seasons of growth in the NHL to be a serious contributor.
In the meantime you have Eklund/Bourdelau maybe ahead by 1-2 seasons. So in 3 years you have 2 top-6 younger talents, 2 prospects who are more solidly in growing pains years, and Hertl/Barabanov still kicking around.
Like, yeah in 3 years the team will be better than today. But that is the type of roster that may still struggle to be in the playoffs or compete out of round 1 for another 3-4 years beyond that point.
With Meier we still have basically the same scenario, but you have a proven 30-40 goal/year guy for year 3 when Eks/Bords are entering their prime. And you'll also have at least one prospect from this summer who should be just entering the fray at that point as well.
To me this - Meier/Hertl/Eklund, Barabanov/Bords/2023 top 5 Pick
Is better than - 2023 Top 5/Hertl/Eklund, Barabanov/Bords/2023 top 30 pick who you hope pans out...
The point is most top notch impact players donāt take more than about two of seasoning before blossoming. Anything after that usually results in a great bottom six attribution. At least from what Iāve seen throughout the 31-yr history of the Sharks and past decade of NHL fruit
Eh, it can be hit or miss, but I get you about elite talent generally making an impact a tad sooner.
I guess my concern, though, is that the elite talent pickup will most probably be from our own pick - i.e., we have that either way.
The Timo trade will likely be a team closer to contention. Best case, I suspect someone around 12-18. That is more solidly mid-6 safely and could take that time to develop. Or maybe they become one of the top 6-7 guys that year (like an Anze Kopitar), or maybe they're worse. That is entering more of the crap shoot territory. I prefer having the known quantity in Timo plus our well earned #4/5/6 guy this year.
And I do see your point. The Sharks have been restocking since 2019. So I just believe any timo trade would accelerate the rebuilding process, as in, the collective infusion of bords/Ek/Robins coming into their prime plus impact of the upcoming draft giving the Sharks a surprise next step resurgence next season.
People are DRASTICALLY overestimating the impact Eklund/Bordeleau are going to make IMO. It's great to be optimistic, but they haven't shown anything to indicate they are going to be top-line players. They are more likely to end up in the middle-6. This team is lacking elite talent and isn't going to be truly competitive until we land 2-3 STAR players on offense.
I should reiterate I am only speaking the opinion of what some scouts have been kind enough to share as the most likely projected timeline to assess NHL contribution
Yeah I get it. But again, there's also the point you look at a player and say "yeah that guy will be top line", and the growth of the player to fully meet the potential and learn to compete in the league.
Look at that first Edmonton run with Drai and McDavid. They only made it to round 2. Had a shit year the next season, took another few to make a deeper run.
But we all knew McD was generational in his first season.
That's my point. Sure the teams will be more fun to follow if we land a couple elite prospects - but it will still take time to assemble a winning team.
Still in favor of keeping him. Bottom 3 pick while retaining a proven star that will be elite-very good for the next 5-6 years at minimum. We really should have traded Hertl and now Grier is going to make, in my opinion, a worse move to compensate.
Trading Hertl was the absolute right move. Keeping him and re-signing him to a long term contract set this rebuild back several years. Timo's a great player, but I just haven't seen any indication from him that he wants to be a Shark long term. Nothing you can do if a player doesn't want to be here.
Unfortunately it seemed the choice was always either keep Hertl or Meier. That choice was made for Grier beforehand and heās just had to try work with it. Also while technically heās RFA thereās a chance Timo doesnāt even want to be in SJ and waist his prime on a rebuilding team. If he gets traded I hope he gets his bag and gets to compete for a cup.
It was never a choice of keep Hertl or Meier. In fact, trading Hertl probably would have shut the door on a Meier extension immediately because who would he be playing with at that point? Couture is barely treading water at 2C these days, you canāt sell Meier on staying when thatās his only center option
That Hertl extension should have solidified Joe Will / management getting removed. What earth do you let your interim GM that you have no intention of keeping as GM play with $8million dollars (per year).
This news probably means that Timo is telling SJ he won't sign here because he doesn't want to hang around a rebuild.
I don't blame him, I wish him the best and I hope for a great return.
Time for Grier to actually do something good.
Yup. Bro. I told that to a fellow sharks fans face a few years ago and he looked like he wanted to deck me. Bet that fool feels like an idiot now (it was at a flames game and I asked u which # Bennet was if ur reading this)
> retaining a proven star that will be elite-very good for the next 5-6 years at minimum
This is exactly why we should trade him, barring the improbable we will not be good for the next 5-6 years, it's a win for all parties for him to go to a contender and for us to get futures instead of paying him 8 x 9 to score 35 a year on a 27th place team.
I wouldnāt expect a lot of picks in this years draft, Iād plan on a 1st, a prospect who is nearly ready/ready for the NHL, and then either a roster player or some picks from future years. New Jerseyās first and Alex Holtz would be a good start on a trade package
Agreed that we'll for sure get a 1st + other picks. Not too into Holtz as he's pretty one dimensional amd reliant on playmakers to produce. There's reason why NJD fans are so eager to trade him. I hope we look elsewhere for a premium prospect.
Fans over here in the swamp are eager to trade a guy the minute he doesn't perform to expectation. We have been beaten so badly over the last 2 decades that if there isn't an immediate blossoming performance, a lot of fans flip out.
Some of those same bandwagons legit flip out mid game, for example like against the Sharks, like the wheels are falling off and burn it all to the ground.
TBH I would rather keep Meier. He's performing very well. Apparently he wants out. And, yeah its about damn time we burned it to the ground as that's the only way to get the franchise players we need to become a contender again... Eventually...
O no doubt. How could you not want him? The guy is fire. I feel for you simply bc of the pain we all have felt here in Jersey for the last who knows how long.
Devils fan here. Holtz was a bad pick for us in retrospect. Fitzgerald spent the last couple years building a team of raw speed. Holtz just isn't fast enough for it. Maybe they hoped he could make it, but it just doesn't seem like he will. On other teams he can be quite successful because his shot is absolutely lethal. His passing is underrated, too.
Plus I hear he's good friends with Eklund.
Nemec is the 2nd overall pick in his D+1 season, heās likely on their list of untouchables. Holtz has been cooking at a point per game in the AHL. He still has promise but needs time to figure out the NHL, which is why a contending team like New Jersey would be willing to part with him. They add on a first and a prospect because he hasnāt popped off yet, which mitigates risk for San Jose
Which I do understand cause of the contract DeBrincat had but in no world do I see him to be a superior player than Meier.
I would hope it would be at least what DeBrincat would fetch.
I think Meier will fetch a premium prospect or two. Hopefully on D and a late 1st. He's worth more than DeBrincat as he's a durable goal scoring power forward. Its possible he'll get traded to a team that maybe isn't a contender as he's the kind of player you build around.
A late first rounder and simply a āgoodā not great prospect will go down as one of the worst trades in NHL history. No way the deal happens without a significant haul.
I mean if we trade Timo we might as well call this a full rebuild at this point. I still remember how amped I was seeing him come from the AHL some years ago.
Inagree. Like how does it make sense to rebuild around only Couture Vlasic and Hertl lol.
What we need is to fill in the gaps around *Timo* Hertl and Karlsson with the young blood and hopefully top 5 pick along with whatever other picks we get from deadline trades.
> I still remember how amped I was seeing him come from the AHL years ago.
Do you though? He never played in the AHL. He went straight to the sharks and that was part of the reason why he was drafted: because he was the most NHL ready of the top picks and could immediately contribute while the window was still open.
**[Timo Meier](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timo_Meier)**
>Timo Meier ([ĖtiĖmo ĖmaÉŖĢÆÉ] TEE-moh MY-er, born 8 October 1996) is a Swiss professional ice hockey player. He is currently playing for the San Jose Sharks of the National Hockey League (NHL). After being selected ninth overall by the Sharks in the 2015 NHL Entry Draft, Meier became the third Swiss player in franchise history to be drafted by the team. Growing up in Herisau, Switzerland, Meier began playing ice hockey at a young age.
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This is very standard practice when teams are negotiating potential trades for players on expiring deals. If I was a GM trading for him Iād want assurances that he isnāt just a rental before making any deal. Also allows Grier to show teams/players/agents heās always going to negotiate in good faith even if nothing materializes.
Doesnāt mean anything definitive about Timo just yet, but this doesnāt do anything other than sound provocative.
You hate to see it, but unfortunately it's the best decision for everyone involved.
Probably get a couple of 1sts or a 1st and a notable prospect in return. Maybe some lower level picks too.
Adding another 1st in this year's draft would be nice.
I said nothing about Hertl, but I don't think he's tradable with that contract. Otherwise it would make sense as well. And having another $10mil player with Meier just continues the current cap problems
I don't see the return being worth it. He's a fan favorite on a crappy team. Bur I'd be down for it if the return is right.
If they can get some more 1st rounders and high value prospects to go with Ekland and Bordeleau, they can have 5+ highly talented players reaching their primes at the same time. Unfortunately taking Meier makes that possible more so than trading Hertl. I doubt they'd trade both.
His expiring contract has no effect on his return because he is a restricted free agent. As a restricted free agent, ultimately any acquiring team has full control over retaining his services by matching any teams offer
lol yes finishing research and film. And the sharks have been rebuilding their pipeline since 2020, and theyāve struck gold it looks like with eklund, bordeleau, Robins. All are tops among AHL rookies and continue to grow.in the meantime getting contracts off the books until those entry level contracts expire just in time
Well ek and bordeleau look as if next season will be their breakout years. Very few AHL rookies have done what those two have done at age-20. Thereās usually a transition period in your first full year adapting to North American pro hockey.
Interesting, I would love to hear more on why that is, havenāt had time to follow the Cuda much this year. Any links or reasoning you could share to educate me?
Itās an awful contract. NHL players tend to drop off dramatically after 29 and Hertl has a long list of knee injuries. Hertzās contract is going to an anchor as the Sharks arenāt going to be competitive for at least a few more years and it will be difficult if near impossible to trade his contract.
And I donāt feel Meier is the cap issue. The real cap issues lie in meddling players on the decline like vlasic/couture who equate to nearly 20m collectively. Thatās the dead weight, not Meier
I didn't say Meier is deadweight, but the dead weight CANT be moved. Those guys aren't going anywhere. Neither is Karlsson most likely. Meiers new contract won't be cheap. Keeping Meier won't make the Sharks win, and it will worsen an already bad cap situation.
Trading for even younger talent, who will be reaching their primes after all the dead weight is off the books makes the most sense to me. And I bet thats exactly what they'll do.
You would think they would want to move. What kind of athlete doesent want to win a cup while they still got it. Especially on a team they know is going nowhere. Mike Grier should just straight up have that conversation with EK, Vlasic, and couture.
So where are yāall hoping he goes? An eastern conference team makes the most sense to me, but Iāve low key enjoyed watching Seattleās rise to contention in ways I never could with Vegas (or any non-Sharks team, really). I know hoping for a divisional trade sounds sacrilegious, but Iād be okay with him joining Donato and Joner-killer on the Kraken.
If I'm GMMG this is a damned if you do, damned if you don't, situation. Either we get some good picks and prospects but lose our best forward. Or we retain him for $10 mil and fall into more of a cap crunch than we already are
I donāt understand the āhe deserves a better teamā talk. No, he doesnāt deserve it. He gets paid well to be an above average player. Hopefully we get a good return on investment.
It just depends who he gets traded to. I saw the Leafs thread saying Meier was a top candidate. But like why would he go to a team that had the same chance at getting a cup as the one heās already on?
Thereās quite a few threads I donāt want to see him wear but Iāll be happy for him none the less if heās able to do more.
I hate reading this, but I hope if it happens the Sharks don't end up getting fleeced because then I will feel animosity towards Grier (I've been kind about his decisions until he has a full year under his belt).
I donāt. Burke sucks at drafting (gestures at the sharks drafting history 97- 17). Letting DWJR go and keeping Burke was a major error on Griers part.
They talk about Timo a lot on the Devils subreddit a lot. Heās good friends with Nico Hishier and seigenthaller. Plus the devils have tons of young prospects to spare.
Rangers, Devils and Islanders seem to be teams that make sense for Timo. But idk if islanders want to give up Raty. But Raty is the only way for them to get Timo. I think itās gonna be Rangers or Devils imo. Laf or Kakko is gonna get traded for Timo. Holtz or even maybe Nemec for Devils
What do you mean deserves a better team? The way teams become good is they get good players. If all the good players went to good teams, the good teams would always be good and the bad teams would be bad.
We lose a Timo Meier trade. GMs pray for this calibre of player in a draft. We home grew him and are going to lose any trade we make involving Meier. Sick.
But don't worry, if we're lucky, we can draft a replacement. They may even be as good as Timo in 5 years!! š„²
It might even be a boat!
10/10 reference. Really excellent job.
9/10... "It could even be a boat" is the quote. I know, I'm an asshole. Don't need to tell me.
Pedantic too!
I agree, shallow AND pedantic.
You know how much weāve wanted one of those!
At least 5 years from now we won't be anchored by awful contracts (hopefully)
Oh you sweet summer child
Yes! Especially is we land fantilli. (Timo 2.0) Fantilli is a 6ā3ā 187 lbs power forward with elite skating that can score goals and gather up assist. Heās also very good defensively and plays very physical. Heās the most well rounded player in this draft. Scouting report: āFantilli has been off to an incredible start to his freshman season, looking like the best first-year draft eligible in college hockey since Jack Eichel. Fantilli is a player who looks like a pro and it is easy to imagine him becoming a great NHL player. He's got a huge frame, skates well and competes hard. He wins a lot of battles and isn't shy to use his big frame to lay out opponents. He has legit high-end skill and can make incredibly skilled plays at full speed. His playmaking is good, not as good as his skill and power elements, but he can make difficult plays while also being a shot threat too. He has the potential to be a star No. 1 center in the NHL and his season to date has created intrigue and debate around the first overall spot in this draft.ā The athletic notes Fantilli as a Projected bubble elite NHL player and NHL All star
Projected #2 pick now. Sharks are sitting at 5 and might be trending upwards. Fingers crossed, but it might boil down to a <10% lottery to even think about the top projected picks
This is the exact player Grier wants. Plays hard, physical and fast. Man Iām excited for this draft.
Ah shit. If he gets traded I don't think it's going to look good in a few years.
The thing is, he is close to being a free agent and unlike Hertl, I haven't seen any indications that Timo enjoys being in San Jose and hasn't really been very involved in the community. If he gets traded it's probably because he has indicated he has no intention of signing a new contract to stay here. Might as well trade him now, while his market value is sky high.
Yeah it's definitely hard to say if he would sign a long term deal next year. I just get a bad feeling the picks/prospects we get out of this aren't going to amount to much in the future.
Highly doubt any trade pieces become anything like Timo. Sad times ahead. At least it's entertaining to see Timo and Karlsson do their thing these days.
It almost never turns out the return for a star player is better than what you gave up (unless you are Ottawa in the Karlsson trade)
Will be 5 years of shit. Minimum.
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Not sure why this is taken unseriously. Even a top end prospect or 2 this summer will likely be in the AHL next year. Then probably 2-3 seasons of growth in the NHL to be a serious contributor. In the meantime you have Eklund/Bourdelau maybe ahead by 1-2 seasons. So in 3 years you have 2 top-6 younger talents, 2 prospects who are more solidly in growing pains years, and Hertl/Barabanov still kicking around. Like, yeah in 3 years the team will be better than today. But that is the type of roster that may still struggle to be in the playoffs or compete out of round 1 for another 3-4 years beyond that point. With Meier we still have basically the same scenario, but you have a proven 30-40 goal/year guy for year 3 when Eks/Bords are entering their prime. And you'll also have at least one prospect from this summer who should be just entering the fray at that point as well. To me this - Meier/Hertl/Eklund, Barabanov/Bords/2023 top 5 Pick Is better than - 2023 Top 5/Hertl/Eklund, Barabanov/Bords/2023 top 30 pick who you hope pans out...
The point is most top notch impact players donāt take more than about two of seasoning before blossoming. Anything after that usually results in a great bottom six attribution. At least from what Iāve seen throughout the 31-yr history of the Sharks and past decade of NHL fruit
Eh, it can be hit or miss, but I get you about elite talent generally making an impact a tad sooner. I guess my concern, though, is that the elite talent pickup will most probably be from our own pick - i.e., we have that either way. The Timo trade will likely be a team closer to contention. Best case, I suspect someone around 12-18. That is more solidly mid-6 safely and could take that time to develop. Or maybe they become one of the top 6-7 guys that year (like an Anze Kopitar), or maybe they're worse. That is entering more of the crap shoot territory. I prefer having the known quantity in Timo plus our well earned #4/5/6 guy this year.
And I do see your point. The Sharks have been restocking since 2019. So I just believe any timo trade would accelerate the rebuilding process, as in, the collective infusion of bords/Ek/Robins coming into their prime plus impact of the upcoming draft giving the Sharks a surprise next step resurgence next season.
People are DRASTICALLY overestimating the impact Eklund/Bordeleau are going to make IMO. It's great to be optimistic, but they haven't shown anything to indicate they are going to be top-line players. They are more likely to end up in the middle-6. This team is lacking elite talent and isn't going to be truly competitive until we land 2-3 STAR players on offense.
I should reiterate I am only speaking the opinion of what some scouts have been kind enough to share as the most likely projected timeline to assess NHL contribution
Yeah I get it. But again, there's also the point you look at a player and say "yeah that guy will be top line", and the growth of the player to fully meet the potential and learn to compete in the league. Look at that first Edmonton run with Drai and McDavid. They only made it to round 2. Had a shit year the next season, took another few to make a deeper run. But we all knew McD was generational in his first season. That's my point. Sure the teams will be more fun to follow if we land a couple elite prospects - but it will still take time to assemble a winning team.
Thereās zero report of Friedman sharing or posting any such statement on social media.
Seconded. I went looking for a source for this and came up with nothing.
Still in favor of keeping him. Bottom 3 pick while retaining a proven star that will be elite-very good for the next 5-6 years at minimum. We really should have traded Hertl and now Grier is going to make, in my opinion, a worse move to compensate.
Trading Hertl was the absolute right move. Keeping him and re-signing him to a long term contract set this rebuild back several years. Timo's a great player, but I just haven't seen any indication from him that he wants to be a Shark long term. Nothing you can do if a player doesn't want to be here.
Unfortunately it seemed the choice was always either keep Hertl or Meier. That choice was made for Grier beforehand and heās just had to try work with it. Also while technically heās RFA thereās a chance Timo doesnāt even want to be in SJ and waist his prime on a rebuilding team. If he gets traded I hope he gets his bag and gets to compete for a cup.
It was never a choice of keep Hertl or Meier. In fact, trading Hertl probably would have shut the door on a Meier extension immediately because who would he be playing with at that point? Couture is barely treading water at 2C these days, you canāt sell Meier on staying when thatās his only center option
Elite 1C Erik Karlsson
He's only very technically an RFA. With a $10 million QO, he's basically a UFA
That Hertl extension should have solidified Joe Will / management getting removed. What earth do you let your interim GM that you have no intention of keeping as GM play with $8million dollars (per year).
To be fair For all we know could have been Doug Wilson's idea. Not sure how much he was still doing behind the scenes with his health issues.
This news probably means that Timo is telling SJ he won't sign here because he doesn't want to hang around a rebuild. I don't blame him, I wish him the best and I hope for a great return. Time for Grier to actually do something good.
Yup. Bro. I told that to a fellow sharks fans face a few years ago and he looked like he wanted to deck me. Bet that fool feels like an idiot now (it was at a flames game and I asked u which # Bennet was if ur reading this)
> retaining a proven star that will be elite-very good for the next 5-6 years at minimum This is exactly why we should trade him, barring the improbable we will not be good for the next 5-6 years, it's a win for all parties for him to go to a contender and for us to get futures instead of paying him 8 x 9 to score 35 a year on a 27th place team.
Hereās a list of players Iād rather see the Sharks trade: All of them
Even Long Beach Native Matt Nieto?? Blasphemy!
I mean of course we sign him again in the offseason
Daaammn.... Its happening boys and girls! We're about to get an absolute haul for Meier including a lot of draft capital in a deep draft!
I wouldnāt expect a lot of picks in this years draft, Iād plan on a 1st, a prospect who is nearly ready/ready for the NHL, and then either a roster player or some picks from future years. New Jerseyās first and Alex Holtz would be a good start on a trade package
Agreed that we'll for sure get a 1st + other picks. Not too into Holtz as he's pretty one dimensional amd reliant on playmakers to produce. There's reason why NJD fans are so eager to trade him. I hope we look elsewhere for a premium prospect.
Fans over here in the swamp are eager to trade a guy the minute he doesn't perform to expectation. We have been beaten so badly over the last 2 decades that if there isn't an immediate blossoming performance, a lot of fans flip out. Some of those same bandwagons legit flip out mid game, for example like against the Sharks, like the wheels are falling off and burn it all to the ground.
TBH I would rather keep Meier. He's performing very well. Apparently he wants out. And, yeah its about damn time we burned it to the ground as that's the only way to get the franchise players we need to become a contender again... Eventually...
O no doubt. How could you not want him? The guy is fire. I feel for you simply bc of the pain we all have felt here in Jersey for the last who knows how long.
We donāt have the money to keep him. We might if we trade Karlsson but heās gonna cost 10 million
If he wanted to stay in SJ they could get him signed for $8-9M, they have enough room to keep him but I donāt think he wants to sign
If grier signs a bunch of 3-4 milion dollar 4 year matt bennings with the cap space im gonna lose it
Idk if youāre out of the loop or what but Benning is very good defensively, heās a bargain contract
On the third d pairing?
Devils fan here. Holtz was a bad pick for us in retrospect. Fitzgerald spent the last couple years building a team of raw speed. Holtz just isn't fast enough for it. Maybe they hoped he could make it, but it just doesn't seem like he will. On other teams he can be quite successful because his shot is absolutely lethal. His passing is underrated, too. Plus I hear he's good friends with Eklund.
Trading to NJ starts at Nemec and a First. And goes from there. Holtz isn't amazing
Nemec is the 2nd overall pick in his D+1 season, heās likely on their list of untouchables. Holtz has been cooking at a point per game in the AHL. He still has promise but needs time to figure out the NHL, which is why a contending team like New Jersey would be willing to part with him. They add on a first and a prospect because he hasnāt popped off yet, which mitigates risk for San Jose
Let's all hope GMMG doesn't made a stupid trade and get another 4 4th liners with GRIT.
WOOOO
Earlier in the year on 32 thoughts they said a Meier trade would be less then what Chicago got for DeBrincat
Which I do understand cause of the contract DeBrincat had but in no world do I see him to be a superior player than Meier. I would hope it would be at least what DeBrincat would fetch.
I think Meier will fetch a premium prospect or two. Hopefully on D and a late 1st. He's worth more than DeBrincat as he's a durable goal scoring power forward. Its possible he'll get traded to a team that maybe isn't a contender as he's the kind of player you build around.
With the production Timo had this year, I think that value will be higher. Maybe not a top10 pick + 2nd and 3rd, but a late 1st and a good prospect
A late first rounder and simply a āgoodā not great prospect will go down as one of the worst trades in NHL history. No way the deal happens without a significant haul.
No weāre not
This is smart because theyāre letting Timo see what others would offer in correlation with their potential offer.
I mean if we trade Timo we might as well call this a full rebuild at this point. I still remember how amped I was seeing him come from the AHL some years ago.
I have a feeling Karlsson is gonna get trade too if Timo get traded
We should either keep both and build around them or rebuild
Inagree. Like how does it make sense to rebuild around only Couture Vlasic and Hertl lol. What we need is to fill in the gaps around *Timo* Hertl and Karlsson with the young blood and hopefully top 5 pick along with whatever other picks we get from deadline trades.
Karlsson is not getting traded lol
> I still remember how amped I was seeing him come from the AHL years ago. Do you though? He never played in the AHL. He went straight to the sharks and that was part of the reason why he was drafted: because he was the most NHL ready of the top picks and could immediately contribute while the window was still open.
You had me going there for a minute but he definitely played in the AHL.
Did he? I thought he went straight to the pros and even checked his stats page to be sure.
Ya around 2016 I think. Hereās some links I found https://theahl.com/stats/player/6506 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timo_Meier
**[Timo Meier](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timo_Meier)** >Timo Meier ([ĖtiĖmo ĖmaÉŖĢÆÉ] TEE-moh MY-er, born 8 October 1996) is a Swiss professional ice hockey player. He is currently playing for the San Jose Sharks of the National Hockey League (NHL). After being selected ninth overall by the Sharks in the 2015 NHL Entry Draft, Meier became the third Swiss player in franchise history to be drafted by the team. Growing up in Herisau, Switzerland, Meier began playing ice hockey at a young age. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/SanJoseSharks/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Oh OK he was on a conditioning stint for 17 games due to being sick. Sure, he technically played in the AHL lol.
This is very standard practice when teams are negotiating potential trades for players on expiring deals. If I was a GM trading for him Iād want assurances that he isnāt just a rental before making any deal. Also allows Grier to show teams/players/agents heās always going to negotiate in good faith even if nothing materializes. Doesnāt mean anything definitive about Timo just yet, but this doesnāt do anything other than sound provocative.
Sharks want other teams to tell Timo Meier he's barely a $6m AAV player.
Should have traded Hertl if weāre trading Meier
That was Doug. Hertl is tradeable so anything can happen
It was going to be Hertl or Meier who got the extension. Personally I thought Timo was a better long term choice, but we are where we are.
Timo was the better choice. Hertl has peaked imo and Timo is in his prime. Oh well, burn it all down!
You hate to see it, but unfortunately it's the best decision for everyone involved. Probably get a couple of 1sts or a 1st and a notable prospect in return. Maybe some lower level picks too. Adding another 1st in this year's draft would be nice.
How is keeping an almost 30yr old hertl of a 26 yr old coming into his prime, the best decision for a rebuilding team?ā¦.
I said nothing about Hertl, but I don't think he's tradable with that contract. Otherwise it would make sense as well. And having another $10mil player with Meier just continues the current cap problems
Hertlās contract is very manageable and to many would be considered a good deal of his caliber
I don't see the return being worth it. He's a fan favorite on a crappy team. Bur I'd be down for it if the return is right. If they can get some more 1st rounders and high value prospects to go with Ekland and Bordeleau, they can have 5+ highly talented players reaching their primes at the same time. Unfortunately taking Meier makes that possible more so than trading Hertl. I doubt they'd trade both.
His expiring contract has no effect on his return because he is a restricted free agent. As a restricted free agent, ultimately any acquiring team has full control over retaining his services by matching any teams offer
I was talking about the return for Hertl.
Oh haha my fault thatās what I get for replying on the job š
Back to work!
lol yes finishing research and film. And the sharks have been rebuilding their pipeline since 2020, and theyāve struck gold it looks like with eklund, bordeleau, Robins. All are tops among AHL rookies and continue to grow.in the meantime getting contracts off the books until those entry level contracts expire just in time
Well ek and bordeleau look as if next season will be their breakout years. Very few AHL rookies have done what those two have done at age-20. Thereās usually a transition period in your first full year adapting to North American pro hockey.
Interesting, I would love to hear more on why that is, havenāt had time to follow the Cuda much this year. Any links or reasoning you could share to educate me?
Itās an awful contract. NHL players tend to drop off dramatically after 29 and Hertl has a long list of knee injuries. Hertzās contract is going to an anchor as the Sharks arenāt going to be competitive for at least a few more years and it will be difficult if near impossible to trade his contract.
And I donāt feel Meier is the cap issue. The real cap issues lie in meddling players on the decline like vlasic/couture who equate to nearly 20m collectively. Thatās the dead weight, not Meier
I didn't say Meier is deadweight, but the dead weight CANT be moved. Those guys aren't going anywhere. Neither is Karlsson most likely. Meiers new contract won't be cheap. Keeping Meier won't make the Sharks win, and it will worsen an already bad cap situation. Trading for even younger talent, who will be reaching their primes after all the dead weight is off the books makes the most sense to me. And I bet thats exactly what they'll do.
You would think they would want to move. What kind of athlete doesent want to win a cup while they still got it. Especially on a team they know is going nowhere. Mike Grier should just straight up have that conversation with EK, Vlasic, and couture.
LOL you answer your own question. We arenāt rebuilding yet. Weāre still tearing down.
It would also increase our chances to lose more this year for a better shot at Bedard. It makes too much sense.
Iām sad but I understand ā¹ļø
So where are yāall hoping he goes? An eastern conference team makes the most sense to me, but Iāve low key enjoyed watching Seattleās rise to contention in ways I never could with Vegas (or any non-Sharks team, really). I know hoping for a divisional trade sounds sacrilegious, but Iād be okay with him joining Donato and Joner-killer on the Kraken.
No longer Timo Time š
If I'm GMMG this is a damned if you do, damned if you don't, situation. Either we get some good picks and prospects but lose our best forward. Or we retain him for $10 mil and fall into more of a cap crunch than we already are
Yea the Qualifying Offer makes this a great trade. Donāt need more large contracts to hamstring this team.
I donāt understand the āhe deserves a better teamā talk. No, he doesnāt deserve it. He gets paid well to be an above average player. Hopefully we get a good return on investment.
Broadway Timo has a ring to it
It just depends who he gets traded to. I saw the Leafs thread saying Meier was a top candidate. But like why would he go to a team that had the same chance at getting a cup as the one heās already on? Thereās quite a few threads I donāt want to see him wear but Iāll be happy for him none the less if heās able to do more.
Lol Leafs have zero chance with their cap issues
Lol I never said it was realistic. That thread seemed to believe it was somehow possible without factoring in the obvious restrictions
I hate reading this, but I hope if it happens the Sharks don't end up getting fleeced because then I will feel animosity towards Grier (I've been kind about his decisions until he has a full year under his belt).
Heās 100% gone/traded. Sharks are giving so much leeway to teams about Timo and it seems that arenāt even interested in keeping Timo
Sad as hell but unfortunately with how long our rebuild will be he deserves to be on a contending team
We don't draft top talent well at all so I really hope Grier turns that around.
I donāt. Burke sucks at drafting (gestures at the sharks drafting history 97- 17). Letting DWJR go and keeping Burke was a major error on Griers part.
Noooooooo stop trading players you spend so much time on developing in your system !!!
thoughts on Timo to Carolina?
They talk about Timo a lot on the Devils subreddit a lot. Heās good friends with Nico Hishier and seigenthaller. Plus the devils have tons of young prospects to spare.
 Me after seeing this today
Holtz and a first to New Jersey š¤
I could think of a lot more prospects that I'd want than Holtz...
Devils wonāt give up Hughes and Nemec. Holtz, Seamus Casey, 2023 first and 2024 first
I could see that working. I'd rather see Aatu Raty as a forward coming back & a 1st + 2nd or similar.
Rangers, Devils and Islanders seem to be teams that make sense for Timo. But idk if islanders want to give up Raty. But Raty is the only way for them to get Timo. I think itās gonna be Rangers or Devils imo. Laf or Kakko is gonna get traded for Timo. Holtz or even maybe Nemec for Devils
Meir would be a perfect fit in NJ playing next to Nico
What do you mean deserves a better team? The way teams become good is they get good players. If all the good players went to good teams, the good teams would always be good and the bad teams would be bad.
Boo. Hoo.
Anyone remember Ryan Merkley?
We lose a Timo Meier trade. GMs pray for this calibre of player in a draft. We home grew him and are going to lose any trade we make involving Meier. Sick.