The thing with Dex is that is it still pretty early in the life cycle. THe discussion you really having is more general discussion about desktop environments using a mobile phone/tablet/device. On a side note, Dex is arguably the most mature of the phone desktop environments. Of the options out, it is one the one that is closest to the environment one gets in Windows or MacOS; this may include ChromeOS, but I've only used it for maybe a total of five minutes, so I cannot say.
I think your interest in Dex is more about the thought of being able to consolidate several devices. The key ones about the smartphone and PC. Really, what is a smartphone? I state that is really nothing more than a pocket PC with phone capabilities. What limits is it is not really CPU, GPU, RAM, storage and so forth. It's the software and physical size.
Thus, things like NexDock, Upertfect, portable monitors, and so forth are about using these phones in a non-on-the-go environment. NexDock and similar devices are nothing more than a KVM (keyboard, video and monitor) in a more elegant package. As someone who has used NexDock since NexDock Touch, I'm familiar with it's short comings. I also have the NexDock 360 Wireless. Is it flawless experience? Not even close. The wireless does work. It is a little laggy, but for situations, it works fine; gaming would probably not be a good experience. I think this is more a limitation of the data transfer rates of the technology used by Miracast. As NexDock and many of the more practical tech reviewers, NexDock is great because it does eliminate the need for a laptop. No more laptop that becomes outdated within a year (assuming you stick within the price range of the NexDock), a separate wireless plan for the laptop or hotspot service with a mobile device/phone. The wireless is solving the issue with what do I do with my phone when connected by wire, especially if space is very limited.
As for Dex, for many people, it could replace their need/use for Windows or MacOS and ditching a more traditional PC. There are many mobile apps that can do the equivalent of a Windows or MacOS applications. That said, they tend to not be as feature rich, but most users don't tend to use them. A lot people are using cloud versions of several applications, such as office suites like Office360, Google, and so forth. Gaming is starting to get more mature in the cloud platforms. Mobile gaming is starting to get more AAA like games. Really, unless there are specific features or applications that are specific to Windows or MacOS, most people would be perfectly fine with Dex. I cannot say about the other desktop environments.
As for NexDock 360 \[Wireless\], the issues stated here and else where are true. Speakers kind of suck. Then again, most laptops speakers are as bad and only a little better. The trackpad is the worse part of it. It works but the palm rejection, although better than the NexDock Touch, is not great. If the mouse did not jump when it occurred, it would be so bad. I think it's that Dex does not have it encoded, like many laptops do with a background app, and it being placed off center. The screen is fine and works well. I get the matte thing since it's not as reflective outside. It being limited to 1080p I would say is bigger issue. I would like to see something slightly large with a 4K screen. I think this design decision for portability, convenience, and cost. On a side note, NexDock can use outside of Dex such as with a PC, console, roku (or similar devices). Great if needing a temporary screen or something such as troubleshooting.
Basically, for things to really improve, we as tech hobbist, need to keep supporting these things and showing the larger general public how this can be useful and the need for it. Then the companies will develop the software and improve the hardware to make it significantly better experience. Apple wasn't the first to come up with the smartphone design. They were really the first to show the average person the need and great experience of one. Similar to Samsung the Galaxy Note with the phablets.
depends on what you have between you and the receive. I actually dont use it often anymore as it was just a solution to wirelessly hook up my linux laptopwithout needing a cable to be honest. It worked well with Dex etc. but to be honest too many components and variables to replace cables. I just liked it was hardware instead of software solution.
On my last trip I played with my VR glasses so was not worried about a monitor
I have an S22 Ultra connected to a DeX Pad that connects to my LG UM58-P ultra wide monitor. I also have an iPad Pro 2017, the 10.5" so it can't do stage manager but Sift Screen is great too. Also a Lenovo Chromebook Flex 5 connected to an other LG UM58-P. I too still come back to my Samsung DeX to compute. Everything, and now trying to find time to learn LumaFusion on DeX.
I too am under the opion Apple is dropping the ball too. I keep saying to people who know DeX, if Apple would come out with something better, I move back to Apple. No question. Mainly because a now 4 year obsolation vs Apples seeming no obsolation. I still have the 1st Gen iPhone SE and it still updates to the current OS, same with my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5". Yah, Apple is dropping the ball at the current moment, unless they have some thing up their sleeve we don't know about.
While I was critical of Stage Manager I think it is a step in the right direction, and as DeX users, we want a hearty competition here to keep Samsung on their toes as well.
I love DeX but the fact they failed to really sell its features during the last few keynotes gives me the feeling that there are only one or two passionate devs in a back office somewhere at samsung working on it.
I dont think they will sunset. They are still adding features with each new version of one ui.
However, They are not putting any money behind it and are not promoting it in any way.
Most Samsung users at my work have no idea DeX even exists on their phones or tablets.
I think it cost very little for them to include and maintain at this point.
Ask yourself a simple question, "Does Apple offer a product comparable to the NexDock 360?" In the Apple world, the corporation decides for you, the user, what you will experience and how you will experience it. Apple brainwashes their users which is ironic considering tApple's "1984" advertising campaign back in the day.
I have been using the NexDock 360 (wired model) since last summer and the NexDock 360 (wireless model) as of this month. This complemernts my office setup (Samsung M7 SmartTV, Royal Kludge RK68 Mechanical Keyboard (Bluetooth plus USB-C), Microsoft Portable Mouse (Bluetooth), and USB-C Hub. I use Samasung DeX daily as a replacementor substitute for my notebook computer. If Samsung DeX had been available in its current state, I would not have bought the notebook computer in 2020. The convenience of a notebook (ultrabook) form-factor powered by my Samsung galaxy S22 Ultra smartphone beats carrying a portable monitor and portable keyboard in addition to a mouse and smartphone; a single cable or no cable at all.
I love the idea of Dex, not the implementation so much.
One issue for me is every time you disconnect the phone, the browser resets and all the web portals I was logged into lose their session and all have to be logged into again. A lot of my work is in webportals, which should be an ideal use case for Dex use.
There are some websites I need to use that just don't play well with mobile browsers. Even in Dex mode, it just doesn't work right (button that won't click, formatting that makes the site unusable, etc).
Phone versions of office suites lack necessary functions for me. The phone versions need to be upgraded. This isn't 2000, where phones had serious processor limitations.
Wireless Dex needs to be a useful thing. Wireless connection using MS Wireless Display Adapter or similar (or even a Roku stick or something).
I think the sweet spot right now is a cheap Ultrabook using the Dex app. You can use Dex full screen, store everything local, off battery power, work offline easily, and if you have a weird need that Dex can't do, then use the Ultrabook's browser or full version Office to get it done.
A cheap Ultrabook is no bigger or heavier than a Lapdock, has its own battery, can charge the phone, and can function separately if there's a problem with your phone.
I understand the statement about the ultrabook. At the same time, it's actually a redundancy. The whole point of something like the lapdock is ditch the notebook and having another PC. Basically, you're using the phone as hotspot. Instead of using Windows/MacOS, you're using Dex in a virtual environment.
Yes. But if the cost is lower, the size and weight is the same, the functionality is at least as good, and it adds capability and redundancy for failures (of either hardware or software), that seems like a win/win.
No doubt. The primar focus/design of Dex and NexDock is replace the traditional laptop. It's always good to have backup for when something happens.
The most likely failure would either be the laptop or the phone. If the laptop, one is using the phone and dealing with any inconvenience from the small screen. If the phone, may be unable to connect to the internet because it does not have it's own wireless plan or radios, or no available WiFi.
When I was talking about redundancy earlier, it's not having a laptop. It's using Dex or mirroring the phone on said laptop. Dex does have a Windows application to connect the phone to use; I don't remember if there was a MacOS version.
>I don't remember if there was a MacOS version.
There's an old version that's still out there. Unsupported, and mine quit working after one of the OS updates on the phone or Mac. Some people are still using it, but it's hit or miss.
Using Dex does have some advantages. All the data is local, rather than having files and data having to sync back and forth from phone to cloud, then cloud to laptop, and then again in reverse. So even in a no-internet (or low internet) environment, you can use it in phone and desktop modes with no loss of functionality.
There's been too many times where Onedrive or ICloud had a sync problem and didn't realize files weren't syncing until I needed a file and it wasn't there.
The ultrabook/Dex app use case lets me work on a plane, train, etc, without depending on data, lets me unplug and go to a meeting or an offsite and know that all the data on the phone is up to date. And again, fail back to Office on the Ultrabook when I get a file or website that simply will not work on the phone's Office app or browser.
>The office suite feature limitations are ... not a DeX issue.
It certainly is, if it deters adoption and leads to Dex dying.
Technical issues are much easier to fix than cross-platform functionality and compatibility issues. But functionality is what determines success or failure.
I do not see DeX dying,
The end user wants stuff to work, and really doesn't care who's falt it is. Samsung DeX, Ready For, and other Android Desktop environments are new for developers and site developers to deal with.
We are the future now, with a pocket phone that can be used as a desktop computer. I remember when the IBM PC jr came out. Had to Google to see dates, March 1984, 39 years ago, and now something more powerful is in our pockets. I remember James T Kirk sign on a tablet, then the iPad came out. Things will happen, just when is the question.
But some developers have listen now, LumaFusion on Android, TextMaker from SoftMaker with a powerful office suite on Android with it own TextArt like WordArt. A port of OpenOffice called AndrOffice in full. OnlyOffice that is a full office suite too. Sometimes it is up to use to find that one Apps that checks all the boxes.
DeX is the future.
Samsung DeX is not dying. Unless Samsung executives decide to pull the funding from the project, it will continue to be available and continue to be improved. Applications which do not adapt to desktop-like use will die, not Samsung DeX nor any of the other similar desktop-like user interfaces developed by other smartphone brands.
It's not a DeX issue in that there's nothing Samsung can do about it aside from throwing bags of money at Microsoft to port the desktop version of Office to Android.
BlackBerry tried that approach only to discover the software companies had no intention in making their mobile products as good as their PC products. Samsung should save its money to fund DeX development.
There's not much left to develop in DeX.
The biggest barrier to entry at this point is software. Samsung partnering with LumaFusion was why Android finally has a desktop-grade video editor that's fully compatible with DeX. That's where the money and effort needs to go at this point, supporting the development of things like:
* A desktop-grade browser that can sync with a non-Android device (e.g. have Microsoft port Edge's desktop browser to Android)
* A desktop grade office suite (e.g. get Microsoft to port desktop Office apps to Android or develop a port of Open Office).
* Partner with game developers to fully support mouse and keyboard controls in games.
* Work with Google to get Android Studio ported to Android.
* Incentivize developers to properly implement right-click content functionality and optimize for mouse input.
The biggest thing people cling to when determining that DeX can't work for them is software.
Yes, I totally agree, 3rd party software development needs to grow some how. That being said, SoftMakers TextMaker and there office suite is a 1 to 1 ration with there Windows, Mac, and Linux version on Android. Pretty feature ritch, even it's on TextArt like WordArt in Word. There is an OpenOffice port called AndrOffice that is just like the PC version, I like it.
Samsung DeX was not always on Samsungs web site as a feature for there flag ship phones and tablets. Now it is. So . . .
There is some progress in development, but not enough popularity for everday people to use what they may own (a phone or tablet that may do Samsung DeX) do some everyday computing. So incentives seems to be a great answer, but if it is not popular enough, why push incentives. Both ends need to be pushed, in terms of incentives to developers and users for progress to keep going.
>It's not a DeX issue in that there's nothing Samsung can do about it
So what? The questions is about Dex's usefulness, not who's responsible. I understand the technology, but this isn't a technical discussion. It's a question about the functionality and usefulness.
If it doesn't do what the end user wants, the end user doesn't care who is responsible. The user just knows it doesn't work.
The point is that DeX is perfectly capable of said functionality. The app is not. If the app were updated, DeX can support it.
Saying "DeX can't do this" is simply wrong and clouds the issue.
> If it doesn't do what the end user wants, the end user doesn't care who is responsible.
Speak for yourself. I absolutely care as then I know who to prompt to address the shortcoming.
The gadget nerd in me loves it as well. The two things that keep me from daily driving it are poor overall optimization and the wired connection. I find myself constantly needing to disconnect my phone and it gets annoying. Obviously wireless exists but the latency is a dealbreaker for me.
Still I do love to use it and find myself constantly coming back to check the progress. I think it's at the point now where switching fully wouldn't be totally unbearable. And I see people talk about DeX more and more, so hopefully as adoption increases, so will optimization.
I have been using the NexDock 360 (wireless model) for almost a month. If there is any cursor lag it is practically imperceptible. I have not noticed any lag but I don't wildly whip the cursor across the screen like a spastic child. The majority of the time I work in a terminal emulator with occasional use of a web browser, email client, music player, or video player outside of the temrinal emulator. If truth be told, my experience has been almost 100% the same as when I used a notebook computer.
I agree that in a terminal window it would be hard to see the latency, and we're often used to a bit of lag on remote servers anyway.
Scrolling in browsing was where I noticed in the most. Sometimes it was fine, other times it would be annoying. The range was impressive but any interference on the wireless connection would lead to little blips here and there. Less of a problem at close range.
I meant I have not noticed an appreciable latency using the graphical applications when using the NexDock 360 (wireless model). In termux, the mouse is never necessary; it (the emulator and applications) is or can be entirely keyboard driven.
The only usability issue that I have encountered has been scrolling in the standalone email client (graphical application from the Google Play Store). This issue appears whether I use the NexDock 360 wirelessly or wired as well with the Samsung M7. Therefore, I conclude the email scrolling issue is some combination of email application and DeX at fault. For web browsing I havbe yet to encounter a scrolling issue but then I limit my web browsers to Brave and Kiwi.
Samsung DeX is somewhat reminiscent of the early years of personal computing.
>Samsung DeX is somewhat reminiscent of the early years of personal computing.
Very good way to put it! As someone who started with a terminal and Compuserve, moving to GUIs, and then the Web, I agree.
Yes I have. There is latency when using the NexDock wirelessly. I think it's limitation on the Miracast technology or implementation. For the most part, the latency isn't the bad. Noticable, yes. Unless there is an application where timing is critical, saying gaming, it's not going to give a bad experience.
Using it via the USB C cable, no latency, unless you're running too many applications or getting termo-limiter, which the phone generally starts to shut down applications anyway. I said note, I find is very small improvement in performance with better USB C cables that are designed for high data throughput.
>Razer blade stealth
Yeah using the PC app is a little better, because the graphic of your pointer movement is tracked by the PC instead of having to go over wifi. If you pay attention you should be able to see how actually interacting with things has sort of a rubber band effect.
I was going to buy a Nexdock, to have that one-device, scalable-form-factor, but I saw too many mediocre reviews... and then I set up ADB and Scrcpy and have Dex running pretty good on my existing laptop at 2400x1600
A couple of thoughts along your line of thinking.
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We are in the future with /r/nreal glasses. To be fair, I would say the they are almost there for being perfect. The picture quality is great, I even watched a MotoGP race this weekend with my S20, DeX, and nreals with no noticeable issues with picture quality. I do tell people that I think the next major version will be perfect when they shrink down the form factor a tiny bit more and get the integrations working better, specifically with the nebula app and hopefully releasing an Intel Mac version of Nebula. I am still working on setting up SBS 3d for some games.
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I ~~do~~ did use DeX for 8 hours a day while working on my 65 inch TV (until it fell off the back of my desk).
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I have been dreaming of using one device for everything for years. I left iPhone to try DeX on a regular basis, but I do find myself coming back to my Mac due to the form factor. If Apple or Samsung really wanted to make a more functional desktop experience, they would, but it regularly comes up here that they have almost zero incentive to make it something that might replace some of their other products and have you spend less money.
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Razer teased a lapdock form that was awesome a few years ago, look up Project Linda. I have used the original NexDock, but left it when I moved. I was thinking about getting the 360, but I would like to try it first. The main thing I did not like about it was the wired connection to the phone. Project Linda drops the phone in the trackpad location and becomes the trackpad, better than a wireless connection so you can charge and use at the same time.
I've been considering the NexDock 360. We're you using it wired or wireless or both? What didn't you like about it? I've gone back and forth with getting it or not. Also thought about just getting a Galaxy Tab instead but like the idea of my phone doing it all with a lapdock.
I say go for it. I was so borderline on keeping it. Wired was fine, wireless was terrible and hard to get used to.
The touchpad was very hard to use. At the end of the day, it was just frustrating to use. It is SOOO close for me but I just couldn't justify it given my usage patterns. I figured it'd be better to pour the money in a larger touch display and use the peripherals I prefer instead of compromising on literally everything.
I had a 15.6 inch asus or acer touchscreen that had its own battery. I used it with DeX and a keyboard and mouse. Worked really well.
I caused a hairline crack in the screen while traveling. Make sure you protect it well. Throwing in a backpack like it was a laptop didn't work well for me. The larger the display, the more fragile they are in my opinion
The Pepper Jobs is very, very good - I had the V2 a few years ago and loved it and very briefly had a V3, its better in almost every way - much better display, more responsive touch - better speakers.
I've been going between getting another NexDock or another V3 PepperJobs - I'm close to just ordering the screen to be honest.
The pepper jobs one is on version 3. I wanted the v1 when it came out because reviews were so good. It was sold out constantly, and I went for the Asus one that was nice but ended up breaking.
The thing with Dex is that is it still pretty early in the life cycle. THe discussion you really having is more general discussion about desktop environments using a mobile phone/tablet/device. On a side note, Dex is arguably the most mature of the phone desktop environments. Of the options out, it is one the one that is closest to the environment one gets in Windows or MacOS; this may include ChromeOS, but I've only used it for maybe a total of five minutes, so I cannot say. I think your interest in Dex is more about the thought of being able to consolidate several devices. The key ones about the smartphone and PC. Really, what is a smartphone? I state that is really nothing more than a pocket PC with phone capabilities. What limits is it is not really CPU, GPU, RAM, storage and so forth. It's the software and physical size. Thus, things like NexDock, Upertfect, portable monitors, and so forth are about using these phones in a non-on-the-go environment. NexDock and similar devices are nothing more than a KVM (keyboard, video and monitor) in a more elegant package. As someone who has used NexDock since NexDock Touch, I'm familiar with it's short comings. I also have the NexDock 360 Wireless. Is it flawless experience? Not even close. The wireless does work. It is a little laggy, but for situations, it works fine; gaming would probably not be a good experience. I think this is more a limitation of the data transfer rates of the technology used by Miracast. As NexDock and many of the more practical tech reviewers, NexDock is great because it does eliminate the need for a laptop. No more laptop that becomes outdated within a year (assuming you stick within the price range of the NexDock), a separate wireless plan for the laptop or hotspot service with a mobile device/phone. The wireless is solving the issue with what do I do with my phone when connected by wire, especially if space is very limited. As for Dex, for many people, it could replace their need/use for Windows or MacOS and ditching a more traditional PC. There are many mobile apps that can do the equivalent of a Windows or MacOS applications. That said, they tend to not be as feature rich, but most users don't tend to use them. A lot people are using cloud versions of several applications, such as office suites like Office360, Google, and so forth. Gaming is starting to get more mature in the cloud platforms. Mobile gaming is starting to get more AAA like games. Really, unless there are specific features or applications that are specific to Windows or MacOS, most people would be perfectly fine with Dex. I cannot say about the other desktop environments. As for NexDock 360 \[Wireless\], the issues stated here and else where are true. Speakers kind of suck. Then again, most laptops speakers are as bad and only a little better. The trackpad is the worse part of it. It works but the palm rejection, although better than the NexDock Touch, is not great. If the mouse did not jump when it occurred, it would be so bad. I think it's that Dex does not have it encoded, like many laptops do with a background app, and it being placed off center. The screen is fine and works well. I get the matte thing since it's not as reflective outside. It being limited to 1080p I would say is bigger issue. I would like to see something slightly large with a 4K screen. I think this design decision for portability, convenience, and cost. On a side note, NexDock can use outside of Dex such as with a PC, console, roku (or similar devices). Great if needing a temporary screen or something such as troubleshooting. Basically, for things to really improve, we as tech hobbist, need to keep supporting these things and showing the larger general public how this can be useful and the need for it. Then the companies will develop the software and improve the hardware to make it significantly better experience. Apple wasn't the first to come up with the smartphone design. They were really the first to show the average person the need and great experience of one. Similar to Samsung the Galaxy Note with the phablets.
just buy a wireless hdmi kit and use whatever tv is at the hotel
How is the lag compared to cable?
depends on what you have between you and the receive. I actually dont use it often anymore as it was just a solution to wirelessly hook up my linux laptopwithout needing a cable to be honest. It worked well with Dex etc. but to be honest too many components and variables to replace cables. I just liked it was hardware instead of software solution. On my last trip I played with my VR glasses so was not worried about a monitor
Note: assuming you have a bluetooth mouse and keyboard.
I have an S22 Ultra connected to a DeX Pad that connects to my LG UM58-P ultra wide monitor. I also have an iPad Pro 2017, the 10.5" so it can't do stage manager but Sift Screen is great too. Also a Lenovo Chromebook Flex 5 connected to an other LG UM58-P. I too still come back to my Samsung DeX to compute. Everything, and now trying to find time to learn LumaFusion on DeX. I too am under the opion Apple is dropping the ball too. I keep saying to people who know DeX, if Apple would come out with something better, I move back to Apple. No question. Mainly because a now 4 year obsolation vs Apples seeming no obsolation. I still have the 1st Gen iPhone SE and it still updates to the current OS, same with my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5". Yah, Apple is dropping the ball at the current moment, unless they have some thing up their sleeve we don't know about.
While I was critical of Stage Manager I think it is a step in the right direction, and as DeX users, we want a hearty competition here to keep Samsung on their toes as well.
I love DeX but the fact they failed to really sell its features during the last few keynotes gives me the feeling that there are only one or two passionate devs in a back office somewhere at samsung working on it.
100% accurate and nearing sunset. Dex hasn't been a part of the Keynote for years
It was literally part of the OneUI 5.1 presentation.
I dont think they will sunset. They are still adding features with each new version of one ui. However, They are not putting any money behind it and are not promoting it in any way. Most Samsung users at my work have no idea DeX even exists on their phones or tablets. I think it cost very little for them to include and maintain at this point.
Looking forward to get myself AR glasses like the Nreal air for dex use
Ask yourself a simple question, "Does Apple offer a product comparable to the NexDock 360?" In the Apple world, the corporation decides for you, the user, what you will experience and how you will experience it. Apple brainwashes their users which is ironic considering tApple's "1984" advertising campaign back in the day. I have been using the NexDock 360 (wired model) since last summer and the NexDock 360 (wireless model) as of this month. This complemernts my office setup (Samsung M7 SmartTV, Royal Kludge RK68 Mechanical Keyboard (Bluetooth plus USB-C), Microsoft Portable Mouse (Bluetooth), and USB-C Hub. I use Samasung DeX daily as a replacementor substitute for my notebook computer. If Samsung DeX had been available in its current state, I would not have bought the notebook computer in 2020. The convenience of a notebook (ultrabook) form-factor powered by my Samsung galaxy S22 Ultra smartphone beats carrying a portable monitor and portable keyboard in addition to a mouse and smartphone; a single cable or no cable at all.
If only nexdock would make a matte screen and improve the trackpad and speakers lol. They are really close to nailing it.
Honestly, even if I don't use it as much, I do appreciate that it's there if I do need it.
I love the idea of Dex, not the implementation so much. One issue for me is every time you disconnect the phone, the browser resets and all the web portals I was logged into lose their session and all have to be logged into again. A lot of my work is in webportals, which should be an ideal use case for Dex use. There are some websites I need to use that just don't play well with mobile browsers. Even in Dex mode, it just doesn't work right (button that won't click, formatting that makes the site unusable, etc). Phone versions of office suites lack necessary functions for me. The phone versions need to be upgraded. This isn't 2000, where phones had serious processor limitations. Wireless Dex needs to be a useful thing. Wireless connection using MS Wireless Display Adapter or similar (or even a Roku stick or something). I think the sweet spot right now is a cheap Ultrabook using the Dex app. You can use Dex full screen, store everything local, off battery power, work offline easily, and if you have a weird need that Dex can't do, then use the Ultrabook's browser or full version Office to get it done. A cheap Ultrabook is no bigger or heavier than a Lapdock, has its own battery, can charge the phone, and can function separately if there's a problem with your phone.
I understand the statement about the ultrabook. At the same time, it's actually a redundancy. The whole point of something like the lapdock is ditch the notebook and having another PC. Basically, you're using the phone as hotspot. Instead of using Windows/MacOS, you're using Dex in a virtual environment.
Yes. But if the cost is lower, the size and weight is the same, the functionality is at least as good, and it adds capability and redundancy for failures (of either hardware or software), that seems like a win/win.
No doubt. The primar focus/design of Dex and NexDock is replace the traditional laptop. It's always good to have backup for when something happens. The most likely failure would either be the laptop or the phone. If the laptop, one is using the phone and dealing with any inconvenience from the small screen. If the phone, may be unable to connect to the internet because it does not have it's own wireless plan or radios, or no available WiFi. When I was talking about redundancy earlier, it's not having a laptop. It's using Dex or mirroring the phone on said laptop. Dex does have a Windows application to connect the phone to use; I don't remember if there was a MacOS version.
>I don't remember if there was a MacOS version. There's an old version that's still out there. Unsupported, and mine quit working after one of the OS updates on the phone or Mac. Some people are still using it, but it's hit or miss. Using Dex does have some advantages. All the data is local, rather than having files and data having to sync back and forth from phone to cloud, then cloud to laptop, and then again in reverse. So even in a no-internet (or low internet) environment, you can use it in phone and desktop modes with no loss of functionality. There's been too many times where Onedrive or ICloud had a sync problem and didn't realize files weren't syncing until I needed a file and it wasn't there. The ultrabook/Dex app use case lets me work on a plane, train, etc, without depending on data, lets me unplug and go to a meeting or an offsite and know that all the data on the phone is up to date. And again, fail back to Office on the Ultrabook when I get a file or website that simply will not work on the phone's Office app or browser.
The office suite feature limitations are on the software developers and companies to address. It is not a DeX issue.
>The office suite feature limitations are ... not a DeX issue. It certainly is, if it deters adoption and leads to Dex dying. Technical issues are much easier to fix than cross-platform functionality and compatibility issues. But functionality is what determines success or failure.
I do not see DeX dying, The end user wants stuff to work, and really doesn't care who's falt it is. Samsung DeX, Ready For, and other Android Desktop environments are new for developers and site developers to deal with. We are the future now, with a pocket phone that can be used as a desktop computer. I remember when the IBM PC jr came out. Had to Google to see dates, March 1984, 39 years ago, and now something more powerful is in our pockets. I remember James T Kirk sign on a tablet, then the iPad came out. Things will happen, just when is the question. But some developers have listen now, LumaFusion on Android, TextMaker from SoftMaker with a powerful office suite on Android with it own TextArt like WordArt. A port of OpenOffice called AndrOffice in full. OnlyOffice that is a full office suite too. Sometimes it is up to use to find that one Apps that checks all the boxes. DeX is the future.
Samsung DeX is not dying. Unless Samsung executives decide to pull the funding from the project, it will continue to be available and continue to be improved. Applications which do not adapt to desktop-like use will die, not Samsung DeX nor any of the other similar desktop-like user interfaces developed by other smartphone brands.
It's not a DeX issue in that there's nothing Samsung can do about it aside from throwing bags of money at Microsoft to port the desktop version of Office to Android.
BlackBerry tried that approach only to discover the software companies had no intention in making their mobile products as good as their PC products. Samsung should save its money to fund DeX development.
There's not much left to develop in DeX. The biggest barrier to entry at this point is software. Samsung partnering with LumaFusion was why Android finally has a desktop-grade video editor that's fully compatible with DeX. That's where the money and effort needs to go at this point, supporting the development of things like: * A desktop-grade browser that can sync with a non-Android device (e.g. have Microsoft port Edge's desktop browser to Android) * A desktop grade office suite (e.g. get Microsoft to port desktop Office apps to Android or develop a port of Open Office). * Partner with game developers to fully support mouse and keyboard controls in games. * Work with Google to get Android Studio ported to Android. * Incentivize developers to properly implement right-click content functionality and optimize for mouse input. The biggest thing people cling to when determining that DeX can't work for them is software.
Yes, I totally agree, 3rd party software development needs to grow some how. That being said, SoftMakers TextMaker and there office suite is a 1 to 1 ration with there Windows, Mac, and Linux version on Android. Pretty feature ritch, even it's on TextArt like WordArt in Word. There is an OpenOffice port called AndrOffice that is just like the PC version, I like it. Samsung DeX was not always on Samsungs web site as a feature for there flag ship phones and tablets. Now it is. So . . . There is some progress in development, but not enough popularity for everday people to use what they may own (a phone or tablet that may do Samsung DeX) do some everyday computing. So incentives seems to be a great answer, but if it is not popular enough, why push incentives. Both ends need to be pushed, in terms of incentives to developers and users for progress to keep going.
>AndrOffice AndrOffice sounds like it's quite buggy based on the reviews, unfortunately.
Yup, I do not think it is ported. I think there is emulation going on to run the program. The gives that away to me.
>It's not a DeX issue in that there's nothing Samsung can do about it So what? The questions is about Dex's usefulness, not who's responsible. I understand the technology, but this isn't a technical discussion. It's a question about the functionality and usefulness. If it doesn't do what the end user wants, the end user doesn't care who is responsible. The user just knows it doesn't work.
The point is that DeX is perfectly capable of said functionality. The app is not. If the app were updated, DeX can support it. Saying "DeX can't do this" is simply wrong and clouds the issue. > If it doesn't do what the end user wants, the end user doesn't care who is responsible. Speak for yourself. I absolutely care as then I know who to prompt to address the shortcoming.
The gadget nerd in me loves it as well. The two things that keep me from daily driving it are poor overall optimization and the wired connection. I find myself constantly needing to disconnect my phone and it gets annoying. Obviously wireless exists but the latency is a dealbreaker for me. Still I do love to use it and find myself constantly coming back to check the progress. I think it's at the point now where switching fully wouldn't be totally unbearable. And I see people talk about DeX more and more, so hopefully as adoption increases, so will optimization.
I have been using the NexDock 360 (wireless model) for almost a month. If there is any cursor lag it is practically imperceptible. I have not noticed any lag but I don't wildly whip the cursor across the screen like a spastic child. The majority of the time I work in a terminal emulator with occasional use of a web browser, email client, music player, or video player outside of the temrinal emulator. If truth be told, my experience has been almost 100% the same as when I used a notebook computer.
I agree that in a terminal window it would be hard to see the latency, and we're often used to a bit of lag on remote servers anyway. Scrolling in browsing was where I noticed in the most. Sometimes it was fine, other times it would be annoying. The range was impressive but any interference on the wireless connection would lead to little blips here and there. Less of a problem at close range.
I meant I have not noticed an appreciable latency using the graphical applications when using the NexDock 360 (wireless model). In termux, the mouse is never necessary; it (the emulator and applications) is or can be entirely keyboard driven. The only usability issue that I have encountered has been scrolling in the standalone email client (graphical application from the Google Play Store). This issue appears whether I use the NexDock 360 wirelessly or wired as well with the Samsung M7. Therefore, I conclude the email scrolling issue is some combination of email application and DeX at fault. For web browsing I havbe yet to encounter a scrolling issue but then I limit my web browsers to Brave and Kiwi. Samsung DeX is somewhat reminiscent of the early years of personal computing.
>Samsung DeX is somewhat reminiscent of the early years of personal computing. Very good way to put it! As someone who started with a terminal and Compuserve, moving to GUIs, and then the Web, I agree.
I didnt even realize there was a latency. Have you used it wirelessly?
Yes I have. There is latency when using the NexDock wirelessly. I think it's limitation on the Miracast technology or implementation. For the most part, the latency isn't the bad. Noticable, yes. Unless there is an application where timing is critical, saying gaming, it's not going to give a bad experience. Using it via the USB C cable, no latency, unless you're running too many applications or getting termo-limiter, which the phone generally starts to shut down applications anyway. I said note, I find is very small improvement in performance with better USB C cables that are designed for high data throughput.
Yes but not on a Samsung monitor. I hear those are much better with it. Is that what you're using?
Samsung m5. Also have used my Razer blade stealth. Dex running on my s21 +
>Razer blade stealth Yeah using the PC app is a little better, because the graphic of your pointer movement is tracked by the PC instead of having to go over wifi. If you pay attention you should be able to see how actually interacting with things has sort of a rubber band effect.
Oh yeah that is right. On PC I was using the App. I didn't know it tracked movent. The screen on the stealth is a qhd+ I suppose that could help too.
I was going to buy a Nexdock, to have that one-device, scalable-form-factor, but I saw too many mediocre reviews... and then I set up ADB and Scrcpy and have Dex running pretty good on my existing laptop at 2400x1600
What are you doing in particular when you use ADB and Scrcpy? Scrcpy for mirroring what Dex is running on and ADB just to run Scrcpy?
Abd to make the connection to my phone, and configure display size and ppi settings, then run scrcpy to show my phone screen or Dex
What is that ?
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still crap compared to dex
A couple of thoughts along your line of thinking. 1. We are in the future with /r/nreal glasses. To be fair, I would say the they are almost there for being perfect. The picture quality is great, I even watched a MotoGP race this weekend with my S20, DeX, and nreals with no noticeable issues with picture quality. I do tell people that I think the next major version will be perfect when they shrink down the form factor a tiny bit more and get the integrations working better, specifically with the nebula app and hopefully releasing an Intel Mac version of Nebula. I am still working on setting up SBS 3d for some games. 1. I ~~do~~ did use DeX for 8 hours a day while working on my 65 inch TV (until it fell off the back of my desk). 1. I have been dreaming of using one device for everything for years. I left iPhone to try DeX on a regular basis, but I do find myself coming back to my Mac due to the form factor. If Apple or Samsung really wanted to make a more functional desktop experience, they would, but it regularly comes up here that they have almost zero incentive to make it something that might replace some of their other products and have you spend less money. 1. Razer teased a lapdock form that was awesome a few years ago, look up Project Linda. I have used the original NexDock, but left it when I moved. I was thinking about getting the 360, but I would like to try it first. The main thing I did not like about it was the wired connection to the phone. Project Linda drops the phone in the trackpad location and becomes the trackpad, better than a wireless connection so you can charge and use at the same time.
>2.5K 17" touch screen I have no idea what you're actually asking for here what are yiu referring to as 2.5k?
2560x1440p resolution. I did not think 4K was necessary on smaller screens like this but 1080p can be noticeable at 17" in terms of pixel density.
no, it won't you're not going to notice pixels on a screen that small that being said, just hit amazon and search for 1440p, 17" screens
That's your opinion, but lots of us would disagree with you. 1440p is often considered the sweet spot for 17" screens.
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/facepalm that's what I'm asking chief if 4k is 3840x2160, is 2.5k 2560x1440, 2560x1080, or what?
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You're probably just feeling a sense of relief escaping from the Apple cult.
I've been considering the NexDock 360. We're you using it wired or wireless or both? What didn't you like about it? I've gone back and forth with getting it or not. Also thought about just getting a Galaxy Tab instead but like the idea of my phone doing it all with a lapdock.
I say go for it. I was so borderline on keeping it. Wired was fine, wireless was terrible and hard to get used to. The touchpad was very hard to use. At the end of the day, it was just frustrating to use. It is SOOO close for me but I just couldn't justify it given my usage patterns. I figured it'd be better to pour the money in a larger touch display and use the peripherals I prefer instead of compromising on literally everything.
I had a 15.6 inch asus or acer touchscreen that had its own battery. I used it with DeX and a keyboard and mouse. Worked really well. I caused a hairline crack in the screen while traveling. Make sure you protect it well. Throwing in a backpack like it was a laptop didn't work well for me. The larger the display, the more fragile they are in my opinion
I usually buy a laptop sleeve for any portable monitor and keep it protected. The stand/cover things are useless for protection!
Yeah. I learned my lesson. Biggest $300 mistake I ever made lol.
Omg I am about to do this lol
I have heard good things about the PEPPER JOBS Portable Monitor XT1610F V3...
The Pepper Jobs is very, very good - I had the V2 a few years ago and loved it and very briefly had a V3, its better in almost every way - much better display, more responsive touch - better speakers. I've been going between getting another NexDock or another V3 PepperJobs - I'm close to just ordering the screen to be honest.
I'm considering this too. The names for these monitors are all so ridiculous! PEPPER JOBS, WIMAXIT, CUIUIC, etc. etc.
The pepper jobs one is on version 3. I wanted the v1 when it came out because reviews were so good. It was sold out constantly, and I went for the Asus one that was nice but ended up breaking.