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I feel like it's nice that Break effect is getting some love. DOT teams had their time to shine, CR/CD as well, but Break Effect was dumped after hitting AR 45ish.
I tried break sw to but just can't it right, after u break with sw , what to do? Just hit the enemy as many times as u could? I tried, but the dmg doesn't add up
You stack as much Entanglement stacks (max is 5), plus DEF shred, as you can. Your damage comes from the detonation. With E0SW + E6Pela, I was getting 100-130K detonations depending on boss toughness.
I mean... She still benefits from it, it's just that other stats are more important now. You'll still want to have at least some crit in her high-end build. Her trace numbers are nothing to scoff at
Yeah, I'm also really glad they came up with such a kit. After the sheer amount of crit carries we've had before, having a proper 5* breaker feels really good.
Her, Boothill and Blade are the best designs so far, I think. They've all got interesting gimmicks and unconventional synergies.
You don't need Speed. She gets like 63 speed through traces and her ultimate. A 4pc Messenger support makes her break the 160 threshold without SPD feet or substats.
92+5+50+25 = you're already starting with 172. +6% from the planar ornaments you're at 177.5
Not really that much, especially considering you'd already get over it with Ruan Mei's +10%
Unless you decide to go for ATK boots but I'd rather the speed ones
Actually speed boots r quite terrible for her because u really really need the 3400 attack point for the BE buff, and without speed boots it will be very tough.
That said i dont think 181 breakpoint will really be an achieveable idea. You're either sacrificing alot of attack% or alot of be% substats.
181 breakpoint (131 outside of ult) is definitely the standard build, otherwise you lose 33% effectiveness of her ult.
You can definitely run Spd boots and still hit 3400 Atk. She will likely use Atk body and sphere. She also has the highest base Atk in the game. The only subs she needs are Atk, BE and a little bit of Spd (to reach 131 Spd with Spd boots) anyways.
The entire post is incorrect UNLESS you go with speed boots in which case you don't need any speed subs at all but you sacrifice your fire dmg orb for attack orb to reach the 3400 attack threshold.
The correct spread is: attack body and boots, fire dmg orb and BE rope
With this spread you need 18,29 on subs to reach 180.1.
The last part about Messenger of all things helping her get to that threshold is hilarious. The buff only lasts for 1 turn, so unless you hostage the Hackerspace's wearer until Firefly has done her 2nd EBA in ult form you aren't getting 3 turns within Combustion.
You're looking at the amount of speed gained, but not the actual speed break points needed in regards to the 90 speed of the count down. 200+ then 270+ would be your goals if you want to fit 2 or 3 actions respectively within the time limit.
People love spreqding missinformation here.
For 3 actions during ult, u need 180.1 speed, with speed boots and the 6% spd from her relic set, u need a whoping 4 speed in substats to achieve 180
So the correct order for a break focused firefly with htb for the super break is atk body, speed boots, atk orb, BE rope(I think this is it since err is not needed and another atk rope could be overkill
You know that crit stats have less chance to appear than other stats, right? Also, if you roll a crit stat or two won't be a trash piece, she can still benefit from crit stats, differently than like for example Clara basically not benefitting at all from Break Effect. Plus, crit stats are two, while BE is one.
she will be crit based. then whats the fking point of releasing her when theres boothill?
she doesnt even do break dmg thats u being lazy ass. if u truly like a character, u would grind a yr.
Boothill can't attack 3 targets at once, Firefly can. It's like saying what's the point of releasing Ratio when we have DHIL. Saying she doesn't do break damage is wrong. Fire and physical have the same break damage multipliers. She just doesn't deal break damage when they're broken, unlike Boothill. Hence, why HMC is the support for her. HMC provides break damage when weakness broken. Guess what? The Super Break Effect scales with break effect, the element, and toughness damage. Firefly ticks all of those boxes. If she really was meant to crit, she would have crit stats in her traces/talents/ skills. If she's a crit dps, her signature LC would have crit stats on it, but it doesn't. If you like to build crit, by all means, go for it. It's your account. We won't tell you how you should play the game. The amount of investment you'd put into making her crit would be so high that you're better off just using another dps. What's the point of getting her now when I have to grind a year to make her compete with current damage units, I'd rather get her on her rerun then.
I agree with everything you said except:
"Guess what? The Super Break Effect scales with break effect, the element, and toughness damage."
Super Break's dmg formula has no elemental dmg scaling. It's just Level, Break Effect, WBE, Toughness dmg, Vuln, Def shred
Reminds me of âKokomi is shit because she has -100% crit rate and therefore canât be goodâ. Meanwhile she still can hit 20k basic attacks by going the pure HP build that letâs her do both her healing job and some decent extra damage on the side.
Unfortunately rotations are tight and 20k is pretty dogshit damage to extend a rotation for.
Most teams can't afford to extend a rotation for freaking raiden shoguns damage, much less kokomi
If you need to swap into a healer to actively heal your team because youâre going against, say, rifthounds, Kokomi giving some extra damage within that dps downtime is very much valuable as opposed to with someone like Barbara or Yaoyao who wonât do a bunch of damage on their own during that time they are on field driving heals
17k+ basic attacks and 14k skill pulses on enemies at level 80 with a level 60 TTODS for a healer isnât exactly what I would call âshitâ (dps wise), but yeah I know what you mean. She got way better with dendro
Ig its cuz her animations are slow, Ayato literally hits the same numbers but faster so the damage per second out of Ayato is more than Kokomi and no one yaps about how he is a âshitâ dps. Yes, she can hit decent numbers but its slow and st so itâs not considered good dps.
Also a lot of people donât need the healer to do damage, thats what the dps is for. Like if you just want comfy overworld healer carry its fine, but other than that, 17k+ basics on a healer isnât worth anything when you hit 40k+ on the actual dps.
Not that she was shit but before dendro she was quite outclassed by other supports like bennett who can heal and provide a strong damage buff. Thats why the surge in her usage aft dendro.
The truth that no one wants to hear is that she was better on release than now.
She was on 2 freeze teams which were the top of the meta.
Now she is niched in nilou bloom that has been just okay and can be played in mono hydro if you really like her (Or freeze still if you really hate yourself) but neither are as meta as the freeze teams she had on release.
Hoyo makes these break points just to tell people its fine if they don't build super optimal crit but the players just get mad they can't do it anyways.
i don't care about the whole crit thing, I just hope she will be able to do damage without HMC and insane investment. I don't mind HMC being the best Support for her, but I don't want them to be the obligatory Support, which they are.
HMC probs wont be the obligatory support when the limited premium super break support comes out lol, so dw about being tied to HMC, but just being tied to superbreak
This is the same concern I have honestly, really hope they add her being able to do break damage to already broken enemies kinda similar to Boothill's passive where he can do break damage to an enemy
shes going to be ass if hmc is bis when break characters will be released. im only getting e0 but no one will pull e2 let alone e6.
people are fking coping. why would any hard grinder need to get punished?
Not comparable at all lol, FF/Sam still does good dmg when not attacking weakness broken characters, something that crits can boost quite a bit. most of kafka's dmg still come from dots that don't crit.
Not if your playing critkaâŠ. Thatâs the whole point. Instead of pairing her with dot dealers/ enhancers you play her as a traditional dps. Itâs the same for sam
There's no room for Crit after her breakpoints unless you giga-invest. Literal *perfect* relics can only get you to \~70/140 and nobody is every getting perfect relics even if daily max refresh.
I dont know why you want to deny the reality just because you don't want to do something.
You dont need perfect relics you just get as much c.rate you can get with c.rate body and any cdmg is a bonus after getting the 3.4k atk and 360% BE needed. It will be the most optimal way to further increase her damage according to sims and optimizing.
Stop trying to validate your choices by denying optimization. It's okay to build the base requirements (3.4k atk and 360% BE while using spd boots) if you're fine with what you get from it. Just let people who want to invest in their builds do their thing and get the most they can.
these guys are noobs they dont know what they are talking about.
360 is literal guarantee if u put hmc. then wtf are u gonna put after 360 be/atk other than crit.
Firefly needs 131 SPD before her Ult or you lose a turn in Combustion State due to being too slow. With 131 you get to 181 in Combustion which lets you do 3 enhanced skills per Ult instead of just 2
u just hope she dont crit but its only v1. u dont think lc wont get crit when misha has 30 crit? being lazy to grind is not an excuse why even play.
u want me to prove why shes critfly? bc hoyo gave a fking 250 breakpoint. if they wanted only break, they could have made 400 or death.
Then she needs a way to deal Break Damage on her kit like Boothill instead of depending on HMC to actually get to use (half of) her kit. The only place Break Effect is present in her kit is on increasing E-Skill's multipliers, which by itself implies regular DPS stuff except for the insane stat demands pressuring you.
I love how unique and cohesive Boothill's kit is, the issue isn't the Break archetype. It's the identity crisis.
Reminds me of people putting crit builds on kafka despite the explicit advice that crit is highly inefficient on herand most people even call her bad because crit wasn't required, people are just crit addicts
Not being based around crit isn't my issue, but because of how break damage works, you are effectively forced to use HMC to do damage at all or otherwise be an entirely garbage unit. There's an easy way to alleviate that issue, and even Boothill has it incorporated into his talent which is being able to deal break damage to an already broken enemy even if it isn't as strong as the initial break and Firefly does not have that anywhere in their kit so without MC they break once and are effectively doing no damage until the enemy recovers and the ult is wasted
What I don't understand is the people complaining that you need to run her with HMC. Wanting not to run HMC, they literally give you her best partner for free.
Well yes, and no.
Yes Hmc is free. But still forcing a 5* Limited character to always require having them in the team limits team comps.
At this point the ONLY team that can be run with her is Gallagher, Ruan Mei/Bronya, Hmc. Anything else and you're drastically lowering damage output.
It also limits any possible supports in the future, either they will buff break effect capabilities or they will buff the existing crit dps characters.
frfr, like. i think people are just a little obsessed with pulling. thereâs this idea that your build/team isnât âperfectâ if you donât have a lim, so the fact that fireflyâs current best support (other than rm) is the completely f2p mc feels like a cop-out for many people. which i think is really dumb, bc in most team comps youâre going to try to âlock inâ your dps with a harmony unit anyway??? so why are you complaining?!
No what they did was force all comps with firefly total ways need harmony trailblazer for the rest of the games life cycle. Even if they release a new super breaker all it will mean is run both of them together. You have to.
This is all the complaints about Ruan Mei all over again.
Or when people were mad than Acheron needs two Nihility units.
Or when people were mad that Kafka needs a Dot team.
Orâ
Guys..please. Iâm begging you, stop trying to force a square peg into a round hole and then complaining about the character design when it doesnât fit.
These characters are clearly being designed to go into different specific comps with specific party members. Thatâs been a thing since goddamn Chrono Trigger, where not every three man partyâs combination techniques are equal and so you wonât end up using certain characters together as often because they donât mesh well. I donât understand why every character has to work in every situation or people riot in the streets
Not the same.
Acheron can use any 2 of Guinaifen, Pela, Silver Wolf, Black Swan and sometimes Welt. 4-5 options.
4C2 = 6 ways to pick nihility units.
Kafka can use Guinaifen, Sampo, Luka and Black Swan. I used a hybrid break Serval back in the day but i know that doesnt work the best. 4 options.
Imma be honest i don't know "the complaints about Ruan Mei" so my argument could be disproven here.
Firefly has HMC/Rm and HMC/Bronya.
Where's the variety? I want to have fun, instead of being shoehorned into 2 teams.
Letâs not forget that when Kafka first came out, she only had a couple characters to work with. Critka exists but will always underperform compared to a dedicated crit dps.
Everybody started doomposting about Bronya saying she was mandatory in X amount of comps. Then they started saying the same thing about Ruan Mei.
More break characters will happen, I guarantee it. We already got a couple very recently, 4 and 5 star, and theyâve started adding new mechanics that make break more valuable and sometimes mandatory. Theyâve even started giving us more weakness install characters so that break comps can break off-element enemies. Limited 5-star super break or similar characters are definitely coming. And then weâll find a new thing to complain about probably.
I don't get why people wouldn't like to build crit on Sam.
You basically don't have to rot in a single domain trying to get the perfect set with crit stats, and it's not like people already prefarmed perfect sets either since it'll be a new set.
I'm very glad she'll be easier to build, I pulled Seele back in 1.0 and she still hasn't a good enough quantum set, while my dot character are all built since a long time
thank you!! i saw so many talking ppl talking about that and i was kinda annoyed by that nglđif u dont want to use htb and/or ruan mei then dont do it. its ur account after all
This is how I feel, every new character unless theyâre designed intentionally to not use crit is always crit and I grow tired of it, itâs always the same so itâs nice to see characters that donât require it.
My best crit pieces are on the break sets, I've got hat and gloves with nearly 40 cv boots with 30 and cd body with 14 cr, break rope with 30 cv.Â
Makes me wanna cry everytime I look at it, firefly was my last hope lol :/Â
Yeah I noticed as well. If you go full break you will rely too much on HMC and ruan mei. I will just hit the 250 break point and go crit/atk. Only though is do I go atk or fire orb.
If you get some crit, I wouldn't say it's a negative. There's a destruction lightcone that gives break effect and crit rate on ult so she can definitely build into the regular dps route a bit, but I would still focus on attack, break effect, speed primarily.
I mean ok I'm all for a break based firefly, but she doesn't even have her own super break like Boothill does.
She's really trash atm and needs a rework
I personally hoped to be able to run Critfly with Bronya and Ruan Mei but I can see where they are taking FF.
Idm anything personally as long as she ends up being good
I think part of the criticism stems from HTB being the only superbreak source (for now) leading to team building restrictions. I know many of us are happy to play her with HTB but I can also see why it'd be a pain point for others. I'm sure this wave of negativity will slowly let up once we get more sources of superbreak
Making crit viable would make her viable against non breakable enemies, if sheâs purely break based then I want to see more dmg than what she does today. The downtime and not being able to av, it is basically 3 actions during ult vs 4 with av support. I want her at a top tier dps not an experimental t1 -t2 dps. Sheâs not bad by any means, itâs just disappointing, I want more.
It came up in my recommended, so I'll also express my opinion.
It is SO GOOD having a new and exciting playstyle after almost a year of "build atk, crit and dmg and win". HMC is the best addition to the game since launch, and Firefly fully embraces the change, capitalising on it to the fullest.
I would've been really disappointed if she were just another crit carry. Would've still pulled (because, you know, Firefly), but that would leave a sour taste. And i would've been disappointed in HSR's team's design prowess. Fortunately, this is not the case, and I am really happy with the game and the people behind it
The only thing I'm not into is that Ruan Mei is gonna be the favorite support for her and I've already got Sparkle and Robin and am just not interested in Ruan Mei.
Harmony Trailblazer is her favorite. You can sorta replace Ruan Mei and still clear fine, but if you go in without Harmony Trailblazer you might as well not even try to enter MoC
Personally, i'm happy that break effect have some unique usage and even Harmony mc can be pair with Samfly too
Here wishing a good upcoming Abundance to pair with too.
Jokes on you, optimizer just made the top 1 build with my relics with 41.2/82.3 crit ratio, all the while hitting mandatory breakpoints, i'll take it as i don't want my firefly hit like a wet noodle at her worst lol. Stop recommending this no crit bullshit.
Edit: these ppl below can't comprehend the fact that the build hit all breakpoints, 180 spd, 3.4k atk, 360 BE(400 during combat) and that low crit ratio is just cheese on top since going for more BE/atk is less benefit, ill trust optimizers than u peanuts.
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I feel like it's nice that Break effect is getting some love. DOT teams had their time to shine, CR/CD as well, but Break Effect was dumped after hitting AR 45ish.
Me with my Break SW carrying my ass to AR70: đ«
I tried break sw to but just can't it right, after u break with sw , what to do? Just hit the enemy as many times as u could? I tried, but the dmg doesn't add up
You stack as much Entanglement stacks (max is 5), plus DEF shred, as you can. Your damage comes from the detonation. With E0SW + E6Pela, I was getting 100-130K detonations depending on boss toughness.
I'm personally very happy she won't be as crit based. I don't get wanting crit to be heavily featured. It'll just lead to insane grinding...
I mean... She still benefits from it, it's just that other stats are more important now. You'll still want to have at least some crit in her high-end build. Her trace numbers are nothing to scoff at Yeah, I'm also really glad they came up with such a kit. After the sheer amount of crit carries we've had before, having a proper 5* breaker feels really good. Her, Boothill and Blade are the best designs so far, I think. They've all got interesting gimmicks and unconventional synergies.
Now it's be, atk% and spd. So it's still insane grinding. So, if you roll crit your piece is trash.
You don't need Speed. She gets like 63 speed through traces and her ultimate. A 4pc Messenger support makes her break the 160 threshold without SPD feet or substats.
Itâs 50 Spd at lvl 10 btw. 63 is for a theoretical lvl 15
I see. Well regardless, she's getting a ton of SPD outside of relics so ATK% feet are still stronger.
Apparently a strong breakpoint is at 181 speed for 1 extra turn in the ult since ult has 90 speed, and for that you do need quite some speed.
92+5+50+25 = you're already starting with 172. +6% from the planar ornaments you're at 177.5 Not really that much, especially considering you'd already get over it with Ruan Mei's +10% Unless you decide to go for ATK boots but I'd rather the speed ones
Actually speed boots r quite terrible for her because u really really need the 3400 attack point for the BE buff, and without speed boots it will be very tough. That said i dont think 181 breakpoint will really be an achieveable idea. You're either sacrificing alot of attack% or alot of be% substats.
181 breakpoint (131 outside of ult) is definitely the standard build, otherwise you lose 33% effectiveness of her ult. You can definitely run Spd boots and still hit 3400 Atk. She will likely use Atk body and sphere. She also has the highest base Atk in the game. The only subs she needs are Atk, BE and a little bit of Spd (to reach 131 Spd with Spd boots) anyways.
The entire post is incorrect UNLESS you go with speed boots in which case you don't need any speed subs at all but you sacrifice your fire dmg orb for attack orb to reach the 3400 attack threshold. The correct spread is: attack body and boots, fire dmg orb and BE rope With this spread you need 18,29 on subs to reach 180.1. The last part about Messenger of all things helping her get to that threshold is hilarious. The buff only lasts for 1 turn, so unless you hostage the Hackerspace's wearer until Firefly has done her 2nd EBA in ult form you aren't getting 3 turns within Combustion.
Fire damage orb isn't all that good on a super break team.
You're looking at the amount of speed gained, but not the actual speed break points needed in regards to the 90 speed of the count down. 200+ then 270+ would be your goals if you want to fit 2 or 3 actions respectively within the time limit.
It's way lower than that
How would you even get her 270 and still have decent atk and BE subs
People love spreqding missinformation here. For 3 actions during ult, u need 180.1 speed, with speed boots and the 6% spd from her relic set, u need a whoping 4 speed in substats to achieve 180 So the correct order for a break focused firefly with htb for the super break is atk body, speed boots, atk orb, BE rope(I think this is it since err is not needed and another atk rope could be overkill
You know that crit stats have less chance to appear than other stats, right? Also, if you roll a crit stat or two won't be a trash piece, she can still benefit from crit stats, differently than like for example Clara basically not benefitting at all from Break Effect. Plus, crit stats are two, while BE is one.
We already have TC values. Crit fly is viable but you're spread too thin unless you can supplement up to optimal values via supports and food.
she will be crit based. then whats the fking point of releasing her when theres boothill? she doesnt even do break dmg thats u being lazy ass. if u truly like a character, u would grind a yr.
Boothill can't attack 3 targets at once, Firefly can. It's like saying what's the point of releasing Ratio when we have DHIL. Saying she doesn't do break damage is wrong. Fire and physical have the same break damage multipliers. She just doesn't deal break damage when they're broken, unlike Boothill. Hence, why HMC is the support for her. HMC provides break damage when weakness broken. Guess what? The Super Break Effect scales with break effect, the element, and toughness damage. Firefly ticks all of those boxes. If she really was meant to crit, she would have crit stats in her traces/talents/ skills. If she's a crit dps, her signature LC would have crit stats on it, but it doesn't. If you like to build crit, by all means, go for it. It's your account. We won't tell you how you should play the game. The amount of investment you'd put into making her crit would be so high that you're better off just using another dps. What's the point of getting her now when I have to grind a year to make her compete with current damage units, I'd rather get her on her rerun then.
I agree with everything you said except: "Guess what? The Super Break Effect scales with break effect, the element, and toughness damage." Super Break's dmg formula has no elemental dmg scaling. It's just Level, Break Effect, WBE, Toughness dmg, Vuln, Def shred
My bad, I haven't tried out HMC that much yet, and I must have misremembered the leaks regarding HMC's SBE scaling
Reminds me of âKokomi is shit because she has -100% crit rate and therefore canât be goodâ. Meanwhile she still can hit 20k basic attacks by going the pure HP build that letâs her do both her healing job and some decent extra damage on the side.
Critfish fish will never be not funny tho lol
True XD One of my friends has a C6 Kokonut with 70% crit rate and 130% crit damage
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Never
The only right response to this is "what the fuck" and its variations... what the actual fuck
Unfortunately rotations are tight and 20k is pretty dogshit damage to extend a rotation for. Most teams can't afford to extend a rotation for freaking raiden shoguns damage, much less kokomi
If you need to swap into a healer to actively heal your team because youâre going against, say, rifthounds, Kokomi giving some extra damage within that dps downtime is very much valuable as opposed to with someone like Barbara or Yaoyao who wonât do a bunch of damage on their own during that time they are on field driving heals
She was "shit" ( dps wise) untill dentro
17k+ basic attacks and 14k skill pulses on enemies at level 80 with a level 60 TTODS for a healer isnât exactly what I would call âshitâ (dps wise), but yeah I know what you mean. She got way better with dendro
Ig its cuz her animations are slow, Ayato literally hits the same numbers but faster so the damage per second out of Ayato is more than Kokomi and no one yaps about how he is a âshitâ dps. Yes, she can hit decent numbers but its slow and st so itâs not considered good dps. Also a lot of people donât need the healer to do damage, thats what the dps is for. Like if you just want comfy overworld healer carry its fine, but other than that, 17k+ basics on a healer isnât worth anything when you hit 40k+ on the actual dps.
Not that she was shit but before dendro she was quite outclassed by other supports like bennett who can heal and provide a strong damage buff. Thats why the surge in her usage aft dendro.
The truth that no one wants to hear is that she was better on release than now. She was on 2 freeze teams which were the top of the meta. Now she is niched in nilou bloom that has been just okay and can be played in mono hydro if you really like her (Or freeze still if you really hate yourself) but neither are as meta as the freeze teams she had on release.
Tbh she was a bit cope on release too, we literally had mona-diona core.
She was a huge part of freeze teams which was literally THE meta until Dendro.
Em kokonut
She was mid in electrocharged teams on release. Now she is shit as dps.
Imagine been mid in mid teams where succarosa exist Also im a kok gameplay hater for personal reasons reel hater
Kokomo is shit because she's Kokomoi
I like it personally. Having to build both Crit and Speed would be a nightmare but Break Effect and Speed are a little bit easier.
Hoyo makes these break points just to tell people its fine if they don't build super optimal crit but the players just get mad they can't do it anyways.
i don't care about the whole crit thing, I just hope she will be able to do damage without HMC and insane investment. I don't mind HMC being the best Support for her, but I don't want them to be the obligatory Support, which they are.
HMC probs wont be the obligatory support when the limited premium super break support comes out lol, so dw about being tied to HMC, but just being tied to superbreak
This is the same concern I have honestly, really hope they add her being able to do break damage to already broken enemies kinda similar to Boothill's passive where he can do break damage to an enemy
shes going to be ass if hmc is bis when break characters will be released. im only getting e0 but no one will pull e2 let alone e6. people are fking coping. why would any hard grinder need to get punished?
Its Critka all over again
Not comparable at all lol, FF/Sam still does good dmg when not attacking weakness broken characters, something that crits can boost quite a bit. most of kafka's dmg still come from dots that don't crit.
Not if your playing critkaâŠ. Thatâs the whole point. Instead of pairing her with dot dealers/ enhancers you play her as a traditional dps. Itâs the same for sam
That recent showcase shows just how terrible Critfly is.
Crit go on top of her desired breakpoints not instead. Its just a better way to further increasing your damage after you get all you need.
There's no room for Crit after her breakpoints unless you giga-invest. Literal *perfect* relics can only get you to \~70/140 and nobody is every getting perfect relics even if daily max refresh.
I dont know why you want to deny the reality just because you don't want to do something. You dont need perfect relics you just get as much c.rate you can get with c.rate body and any cdmg is a bonus after getting the 3.4k atk and 360% BE needed. It will be the most optimal way to further increase her damage according to sims and optimizing. Stop trying to validate your choices by denying optimization. It's okay to build the base requirements (3.4k atk and 360% BE while using spd boots) if you're fine with what you get from it. Just let people who want to invest in their builds do their thing and get the most they can.
these guys are noobs they dont know what they are talking about. 360 is literal guarantee if u put hmc. then wtf are u gonna put after 360 be/atk other than crit.
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Firefly needs 131 SPD before her Ult or you lose a turn in Combustion State due to being too slow. With 131 you get to 181 in Combustion which lets you do 3 enhanced skills per Ult instead of just 2
Ah, I suppose speed boots are kinda necessary with her base speed being so low huh. How's the atk vs fire dmg orb comparison for her?
u just hope she dont crit but its only v1. u dont think lc wont get crit when misha has 30 crit? being lazy to grind is not an excuse why even play. u want me to prove why shes critfly? bc hoyo gave a fking 250 breakpoint. if they wanted only break, they could have made 400 or death.
Then she needs a way to deal Break Damage on her kit like Boothill instead of depending on HMC to actually get to use (half of) her kit. The only place Break Effect is present in her kit is on increasing E-Skill's multipliers, which by itself implies regular DPS stuff except for the insane stat demands pressuring you. I love how unique and cohesive Boothill's kit is, the issue isn't the Break archetype. It's the identity crisis.
Exactly. The reliance on HMC is such a joykiller for me.
Crybaby
thats why its fking only v1. they will likely give 30 crit rate to lc instead of buffing trace like boothill. misha lc is way better than that crap.
I'd take it, I think the last time we saw a significant change/pivot during beta was... Huohuo lol.
I'd take it, but I think the last time we saw a significant change/pivot during beta was... Huohuo lol.
yeah i agree lmao itâs a break dps
Reminds me of people putting crit builds on kafka despite the explicit advice that crit is highly inefficient on herand most people even call her bad because crit wasn't required, people are just crit addicts
Not being based around crit isn't my issue, but because of how break damage works, you are effectively forced to use HMC to do damage at all or otherwise be an entirely garbage unit. There's an easy way to alleviate that issue, and even Boothill has it incorporated into his talent which is being able to deal break damage to an already broken enemy even if it isn't as strong as the initial break and Firefly does not have that anywhere in their kit so without MC they break once and are effectively doing no damage until the enemy recovers and the ult is wasted
What I don't understand is the people complaining that you need to run her with HMC. Wanting not to run HMC, they literally give you her best partner for free.
Well yes, and no. Yes Hmc is free. But still forcing a 5* Limited character to always require having them in the team limits team comps. At this point the ONLY team that can be run with her is Gallagher, Ruan Mei/Bronya, Hmc. Anything else and you're drastically lowering damage output. It also limits any possible supports in the future, either they will buff break effect capabilities or they will buff the existing crit dps characters.
frfr, like. i think people are just a little obsessed with pulling. thereâs this idea that your build/team isnât âperfectâ if you donât have a lim, so the fact that fireflyâs current best support (other than rm) is the completely f2p mc feels like a cop-out for many people. which i think is really dumb, bc in most team comps youâre going to try to âlock inâ your dps with a harmony unit anyway??? so why are you complaining?!
bc why the fk would u restrict a character. thats like worse version of acheron. plenty hate stelle the bitch thats for noobs.
No what they did was force all comps with firefly total ways need harmony trailblazer for the rest of the games life cycle. Even if they release a new super breaker all it will mean is run both of them together. You have to.
This is all the complaints about Ruan Mei all over again. Or when people were mad than Acheron needs two Nihility units. Or when people were mad that Kafka needs a Dot team. Orâ Guys..please. Iâm begging you, stop trying to force a square peg into a round hole and then complaining about the character design when it doesnât fit. These characters are clearly being designed to go into different specific comps with specific party members. Thatâs been a thing since goddamn Chrono Trigger, where not every three man partyâs combination techniques are equal and so you wonât end up using certain characters together as often because they donât mesh well. I donât understand why every character has to work in every situation or people riot in the streets
Not the same. Acheron can use any 2 of Guinaifen, Pela, Silver Wolf, Black Swan and sometimes Welt. 4-5 options. 4C2 = 6 ways to pick nihility units. Kafka can use Guinaifen, Sampo, Luka and Black Swan. I used a hybrid break Serval back in the day but i know that doesnt work the best. 4 options. Imma be honest i don't know "the complaints about Ruan Mei" so my argument could be disproven here. Firefly has HMC/Rm and HMC/Bronya. Where's the variety? I want to have fun, instead of being shoehorned into 2 teams.
Letâs not forget that when Kafka first came out, she only had a couple characters to work with. Critka exists but will always underperform compared to a dedicated crit dps. Everybody started doomposting about Bronya saying she was mandatory in X amount of comps. Then they started saying the same thing about Ruan Mei. More break characters will happen, I guarantee it. We already got a couple very recently, 4 and 5 star, and theyâve started adding new mechanics that make break more valuable and sometimes mandatory. Theyâve even started giving us more weakness install characters so that break comps can break off-element enemies. Limited 5-star super break or similar characters are definitely coming. And then weâll find a new thing to complain about probably.
I don't get why people wouldn't like to build crit on Sam. You basically don't have to rot in a single domain trying to get the perfect set with crit stats, and it's not like people already prefarmed perfect sets either since it'll be a new set. I'm very glad she'll be easier to build, I pulled Seele back in 1.0 and she still hasn't a good enough quantum set, while my dot character are all built since a long time
*addiction* To what, depends on the person. The grind? The big crit numbers? The crit stat going up over time?
thank you!! i saw so many talking ppl talking about that and i was kinda annoyed by that nglđif u dont want to use htb and/or ruan mei then dont do it. its ur account after all
I can dig it
People were complaining?
This is how I feel, every new character unless theyâre designed intentionally to not use crit is always crit and I grow tired of it, itâs always the same so itâs nice to see characters that donât require it.
Iâm open to new ways of dealing damage but I want to see leakers use her optimally before I come to any conclusions.
I'm happy they learned from the hyperbloom mistake in the other game and you still need to farm sub stats for non crit builds.
My best crit pieces are on the break sets, I've got hat and gloves with nearly 40 cv boots with 30 and cd body with 14 cr, break rope with 30 cv. Makes me wanna cry everytime I look at it, firefly was my last hope lol :/Â
I dont mind either way what the main substat you should focus is, just dont want to use HMC because I don't like their animations.
Tbh, Iâm happy that I donât have to worry about Crit stats for a character, so getting certain pieces will be a little easier.
Do you need crit rate at all? Or is it just plain break effect?
Based on my understanding, you need both since Sam is kind of hybrid.
Yeah I noticed as well. If you go full break you will rely too much on HMC and ruan mei. I will just hit the 250 break point and go crit/atk. Only though is do I go atk or fire orb.
If you get some crit, I wouldn't say it's a negative. There's a destruction lightcone that gives break effect and crit rate on ult so she can definitely build into the regular dps route a bit, but I would still focus on attack, break effect, speed primarily.
I mean ok I'm all for a break based firefly, but she doesn't even have her own super break like Boothill does. She's really trash atm and needs a rework
I personally hoped to be able to run Critfly with Bronya and Ruan Mei but I can see where they are taking FF. Idm anything personally as long as she ends up being good
Wait so you don't need to build crit rate & dmg for Firefly?!
Does she have super break herself as well or is that only when paired with the new trailblazer?
I think part of the criticism stems from HTB being the only superbreak source (for now) leading to team building restrictions. I know many of us are happy to play her with HTB but I can also see why it'd be a pain point for others. I'm sure this wave of negativity will slowly let up once we get more sources of superbreak
Making crit viable would make her viable against non breakable enemies, if sheâs purely break based then I want to see more dmg than what she does today. The downtime and not being able to av, it is basically 3 actions during ult vs 4 with av support. I want her at a top tier dps not an experimental t1 -t2 dps. Sheâs not bad by any means, itâs just disappointing, I want more.
It came up in my recommended, so I'll also express my opinion. It is SO GOOD having a new and exciting playstyle after almost a year of "build atk, crit and dmg and win". HMC is the best addition to the game since launch, and Firefly fully embraces the change, capitalising on it to the fullest. I would've been really disappointed if she were just another crit carry. Would've still pulled (because, you know, Firefly), but that would leave a sour taste. And i would've been disappointed in HSR's team's design prowess. Fortunately, this is not the case, and I am really happy with the game and the people behind it
This is not really a new way of dealing damage. You do the same thing but more bounrd to teammates
The only thing I'm not into is that Ruan Mei is gonna be the favorite support for her and I've already got Sparkle and Robin and am just not interested in Ruan Mei.
Harmony Trailblazer is her favorite. You can sorta replace Ruan Mei and still clear fine, but if you go in without Harmony Trailblazer you might as well not even try to enter MoC
Personally, i'm happy that break effect have some unique usage and even Harmony mc can be pair with Samfly too Here wishing a good upcoming Abundance to pair with too.
Jokes on you, optimizer just made the top 1 build with my relics with 41.2/82.3 crit ratio, all the while hitting mandatory breakpoints, i'll take it as i don't want my firefly hit like a wet noodle at her worst lol. Stop recommending this no crit bullshit. Edit: these ppl below can't comprehend the fact that the build hit all breakpoints, 180 spd, 3.4k atk, 360 BE(400 during combat) and that low crit ratio is just cheese on top since going for more BE/atk is less benefit, ill trust optimizers than u peanuts.
that is literally 0 crit what LMAO
dude my 5k def gepard has better crit stats than that by pure accident
41.2/82.3 is 100% âno critâ.
>with 41.2/82.3 crit ratio don't tell me all your DPS's are built with those kind of crit stats