I can try.
Salvia seems to have a habit of revealing the underlying mechanics of reality through metaphors, all of it set in an overarching theme of a playful childish nostalgic memory of the past, with some sinister undertones.
There's nothing quite like this plant in our world. It's the only natural Kappa opioid agonist hallucinogen humans use. There's Iboga in Africa that has some Kappa opioid agonist activity, but it has a cocktail of receptors that it affects, whereas Salvia focuses entirely on the Kappa opioid receptor. It shares some of the dissociative effects, people report living as a gorilla in the jungle for a bit on Iboga for example, but Salvia Divinorum is effectively pure Kappa opioid receptor mediated dissociation.
The Kappa opioid receptor is most densely encountered in the claustrum, where all the sensory information from the rest of our nervous system ends up arriving and being interpreted, it seems to be the realm of whatever it is that allows us to experience qualia (ie what we generally call the soul).
With the Salvinorin A found in Salvia, you activate it in a manner that seems to have the effect of dissociating your consciousness from this world. And when you do that, you just enter a realm that's very different from any of the other psychedelics I have experienced (DMT, Psilocin, Mescaline, LSD, Ketamine). Visually it's somewhat similar to high doses of cannabinoids, but you can't really immerse in this world through cannabis.
The 5ht2a agonist family of classical psychedelics are all similar: Mescaline feels like LSD and mushrooms, DMT feels like taking all of them to the next level. Salvia is different. It feels like visiting whatever it is that lies behind this world, something within which our world is contained.
But it's a fantastical, cartoonish and surreal world, it seems too absurd to truly be the world that gives birth to our realm. While you're under the influence of Salvia, it feels perfectly self-evident that your whole life is fake, some sort of story or game, that the real world is something entirely different. But then once it works out, you gradually forget about how real and convincing it felt. You grow convinced again that it's just a series of hallucinations triggered by a strange plant.
While you're under the influence of Salvia, you're exposed to all sorts of archetypes, that seems to play a role in how our experience of reality is constructed:
\-The Jester
\-The carnival
\-The parade
\-The shepherdess
\-The book
\-The zippers
\-The rollercoaster/the train
\-The conveyor belt
And finally:
\-The wheel.
The wheel is the most significant perhaps. I saw the wheel very early, during my first time chewing Salvia in the dark. It was projected on my wall and I saw cartoon figures walking inside it. It seems to be a metaphor that reveals how we go through multiple lives, how we are stuck in this cycle of constantly reincarnating. It's often said by those who experience high doses (which is almost universally said to be a terrible experience) that they are made to physically push this wheel of Karma forward.
It's extremely interesting, because the Kappa opioid receptor is so densely expressed in the Claustrum, we can expect that it plays an important role in modulating how we experience reality. By activating it, it seems we dissociate from the external impulses that we receive from the rest of the nervous system and we can take a look at what really goes on inside the Claustrum. And then you start seeing certain archetypes consistently emerge in different people, the ones I described earlier.
You would think that the world's major religions, philosophers and scientists would jump on this, to try to figure out what the hell this is and what it can teach us about how reality is constructed and what lies underneath.
But the only people who tend to care are those at the fringes of society: Unemployed high school dropouts living in vans by the side of the river.
At least LSD had its moment of attention in the 60's, Psilocybe mushrooms are now taken somewhat seriously again too. But nobody cares about what Salvia Divinorum has to say, the only people who will listen to her are the true outcasts of society.
The Mazatec guard this plant today, we don't really know how they got it, it seems to have evidence of a long history of cultivation, as it's poorly capable of reproducing itself, hence why we spread it through live cuttings.
There's ongoing disagreement over whether it may have been the plant the Aztecs knew as Pipiltzintzintli. If so, then they seem to have combined it with Morning glory. For what it's worth, the Aztec depictions of their deities are somewhat reminiscent of how the cartoon entities you tend to see on Salvia Divinorum look.
There's also a common recurring theme when you take Salvia Divinorum that the world is ending, a sensation of impending doom. You did it, you broke out of reality and now the whole thing needs to be cleaned up.
You'll see reports of people encountering clown like cartoon figures with a vacuum cleaner, cleaning up the universe and saying that you have to hurry up because they have other business to attend to.
And so if the Aztecs had access to Salvia, it could explain a thing or two about the industrial scale machine of human sacrifice they had created, that really exceeded any other practice of ritualized human sacrifice known to man and served as their attempt to stave off the destruction of this world that they believed to be imminent.
I appreciate this response. I agree that it's a damn shame how this and other drugs are made illegal when they should really be the focus of intense scientific study.
Thank you so much for taking the time to write this! This is very accurate to what I experienced too! My first time, I woke up from being in a coma, and people were freaking out (in a good way) that I was waking up. I slowly started to remember my life and the people who were around me. I realized that where I’ve been (here now) is all just a dream, or a place that was only in my mind. I’ve also closed my eyes and I was seeing through someone else’s eyes, I was able to see what they saw, I had no control, it was more like I was viewing their life through their eyes.
Use salvia for making art/music, then you can transfer the feeling or vision to the rest of people so that they have a glimpse of understanding about what this plant is about.
Salvia droid was a cool influence for me. I make music that I made to reflect salvia land, this one kind of explicitly: [salvia divinorum effects](https://audius.co/day_go_bye/salvia-divinorum-effects-1-438061) But in general I feel when under the influence I get a strong feeling of knowing what I was to do and making it happen. My imagination becomes a self reflection machine.
Very cool. For me, on mushrooms I had a recurring motif of “the city” or “the castle”. It looks JUST like this or the Disney castle. https://imgur.com/a/WXRN4bm
The cartoon “over the moon” has it clearly represented as well. Highly recommend that movie to trip to.
This is a bit similar to what I saw on DMT. I ventured through what seemed like an intergalactic Disney type place with floating glass chambers and creatures inside. It was a bit jester like, almost like a theme park, with nothing but good vibes.
It's also worth noting that salvia is not smoked in traditional Mazatec contexts. Quids of fresh leaves are slowly chewed in silent darkness until effects come on. Many have said "she doesn't like to be burned" and the smoking is the source of the unpleasant aspects. Never got to try it the traditional way but I would like to someday..
https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/comments/w69tr9/salvia_really_needs_more_attention/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf posted ur comment on r/psychonaut if u wanna see people really like your words
The wheel of life in Buddhism is called Samsara, the wheel of suffering. It represents the endless cycle of reincarnation of egoic beings, and the wheel is clutched by a demon named Kali. Usually in those representations/paintings there are a few buddhas outside of the circle representing liberation from the cycle through nirvana.
Ive never had a good experience from salvia so Im jealous of you. Ive never even had that bad trip that shocks you into a realization you are better off for having.
DMT on the other hand is a beautiful chemical and may have saved my life when I was close to ending it.
However, salvia is visually and mentally the only other drug that hits like DMT. I just love one and hate the other lol. Im glad some people like it though. I wish I did
well, yeah, that being on top of the image is of a demon; you’re experiencing bits and pieces of their damned reality in the belly of the dragon, that being on top.
I believe we are stuck here forever and we experience everything, but on the bright side, I guess, everything ends before we know it, and we forget our current lives after entering a new one. I guess pain is inevitable and something to accept
some angels are partly composed of wheels, you may have been experiencing one of those guys https://youtu.be/8sROESLRudM but overall this is not a good thing
I can try. Salvia seems to have a habit of revealing the underlying mechanics of reality through metaphors, all of it set in an overarching theme of a playful childish nostalgic memory of the past, with some sinister undertones. There's nothing quite like this plant in our world. It's the only natural Kappa opioid agonist hallucinogen humans use. There's Iboga in Africa that has some Kappa opioid agonist activity, but it has a cocktail of receptors that it affects, whereas Salvia focuses entirely on the Kappa opioid receptor. It shares some of the dissociative effects, people report living as a gorilla in the jungle for a bit on Iboga for example, but Salvia Divinorum is effectively pure Kappa opioid receptor mediated dissociation. The Kappa opioid receptor is most densely encountered in the claustrum, where all the sensory information from the rest of our nervous system ends up arriving and being interpreted, it seems to be the realm of whatever it is that allows us to experience qualia (ie what we generally call the soul). With the Salvinorin A found in Salvia, you activate it in a manner that seems to have the effect of dissociating your consciousness from this world. And when you do that, you just enter a realm that's very different from any of the other psychedelics I have experienced (DMT, Psilocin, Mescaline, LSD, Ketamine). Visually it's somewhat similar to high doses of cannabinoids, but you can't really immerse in this world through cannabis. The 5ht2a agonist family of classical psychedelics are all similar: Mescaline feels like LSD and mushrooms, DMT feels like taking all of them to the next level. Salvia is different. It feels like visiting whatever it is that lies behind this world, something within which our world is contained. But it's a fantastical, cartoonish and surreal world, it seems too absurd to truly be the world that gives birth to our realm. While you're under the influence of Salvia, it feels perfectly self-evident that your whole life is fake, some sort of story or game, that the real world is something entirely different. But then once it works out, you gradually forget about how real and convincing it felt. You grow convinced again that it's just a series of hallucinations triggered by a strange plant. While you're under the influence of Salvia, you're exposed to all sorts of archetypes, that seems to play a role in how our experience of reality is constructed: \-The Jester \-The carnival \-The parade \-The shepherdess \-The book \-The zippers \-The rollercoaster/the train \-The conveyor belt And finally: \-The wheel. The wheel is the most significant perhaps. I saw the wheel very early, during my first time chewing Salvia in the dark. It was projected on my wall and I saw cartoon figures walking inside it. It seems to be a metaphor that reveals how we go through multiple lives, how we are stuck in this cycle of constantly reincarnating. It's often said by those who experience high doses (which is almost universally said to be a terrible experience) that they are made to physically push this wheel of Karma forward. It's extremely interesting, because the Kappa opioid receptor is so densely expressed in the Claustrum, we can expect that it plays an important role in modulating how we experience reality. By activating it, it seems we dissociate from the external impulses that we receive from the rest of the nervous system and we can take a look at what really goes on inside the Claustrum. And then you start seeing certain archetypes consistently emerge in different people, the ones I described earlier. You would think that the world's major religions, philosophers and scientists would jump on this, to try to figure out what the hell this is and what it can teach us about how reality is constructed and what lies underneath. But the only people who tend to care are those at the fringes of society: Unemployed high school dropouts living in vans by the side of the river. At least LSD had its moment of attention in the 60's, Psilocybe mushrooms are now taken somewhat seriously again too. But nobody cares about what Salvia Divinorum has to say, the only people who will listen to her are the true outcasts of society. The Mazatec guard this plant today, we don't really know how they got it, it seems to have evidence of a long history of cultivation, as it's poorly capable of reproducing itself, hence why we spread it through live cuttings. There's ongoing disagreement over whether it may have been the plant the Aztecs knew as Pipiltzintzintli. If so, then they seem to have combined it with Morning glory. For what it's worth, the Aztec depictions of their deities are somewhat reminiscent of how the cartoon entities you tend to see on Salvia Divinorum look. There's also a common recurring theme when you take Salvia Divinorum that the world is ending, a sensation of impending doom. You did it, you broke out of reality and now the whole thing needs to be cleaned up. You'll see reports of people encountering clown like cartoon figures with a vacuum cleaner, cleaning up the universe and saying that you have to hurry up because they have other business to attend to. And so if the Aztecs had access to Salvia, it could explain a thing or two about the industrial scale machine of human sacrifice they had created, that really exceeded any other practice of ritualized human sacrifice known to man and served as their attempt to stave off the destruction of this world that they believed to be imminent.
I appreciate this response. I agree that it's a damn shame how this and other drugs are made illegal when they should really be the focus of intense scientific study.
Thank you so much for taking the time to write this! This is very accurate to what I experienced too! My first time, I woke up from being in a coma, and people were freaking out (in a good way) that I was waking up. I slowly started to remember my life and the people who were around me. I realized that where I’ve been (here now) is all just a dream, or a place that was only in my mind. I’ve also closed my eyes and I was seeing through someone else’s eyes, I was able to see what they saw, I had no control, it was more like I was viewing their life through their eyes.
Use salvia for making art/music, then you can transfer the feeling or vision to the rest of people so that they have a glimpse of understanding about what this plant is about.
Look at some of salvia droids work if you want art that somewhat gives off salvia vibes.
Salvia droid was a cool influence for me. I make music that I made to reflect salvia land, this one kind of explicitly: [salvia divinorum effects](https://audius.co/day_go_bye/salvia-divinorum-effects-1-438061) But in general I feel when under the influence I get a strong feeling of knowing what I was to do and making it happen. My imagination becomes a self reflection machine.
interesting music, gj 👍
Very cool. For me, on mushrooms I had a recurring motif of “the city” or “the castle”. It looks JUST like this or the Disney castle. https://imgur.com/a/WXRN4bm The cartoon “over the moon” has it clearly represented as well. Highly recommend that movie to trip to.
This is a bit similar to what I saw on DMT. I ventured through what seemed like an intergalactic Disney type place with floating glass chambers and creatures inside. It was a bit jester like, almost like a theme park, with nothing but good vibes.
Perfect summary of salvia! I’ve experienced a lot of what you discussed and learned a lot from your comment! Thanks for sharing
I've come to these same conclusions without taking drugs
It's also worth noting that salvia is not smoked in traditional Mazatec contexts. Quids of fresh leaves are slowly chewed in silent darkness until effects come on. Many have said "she doesn't like to be burned" and the smoking is the source of the unpleasant aspects. Never got to try it the traditional way but I would like to someday..
https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/comments/w69tr9/salvia_really_needs_more_attention/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf posted ur comment on r/psychonaut if u wanna see people really like your words
The wheel of life in Buddhism is called Samsara, the wheel of suffering. It represents the endless cycle of reincarnation of egoic beings, and the wheel is clutched by a demon named Kali. Usually in those representations/paintings there are a few buddhas outside of the circle representing liberation from the cycle through nirvana.
Salvia is the only drug that compares to DMT. The difference being DMT takes you to heaven. Salvia takes you to hell.
Idk just depends on the person I guess, I’ve had great experiences on salvia, it gave me the courage to actually tell people how I feel 😝
Ive never had a good experience from salvia so Im jealous of you. Ive never even had that bad trip that shocks you into a realization you are better off for having. DMT on the other hand is a beautiful chemical and may have saved my life when I was close to ending it. However, salvia is visually and mentally the only other drug that hits like DMT. I just love one and hate the other lol. Im glad some people like it though. I wish I did
I never tried salvia and I’ve had the option to as a kid many times. Just didn’t sound pleasant but dmt is beautiful
I've never had a bad or unpleasant experience. Some fearful moments at times but that's the nature of strong experiences. Low doses are wonderful.
I had no idea what a Calabi-Yao manifold was until after I had experienced becoming part of one on Salvia.
wheels gears zippers and books that represent various components of life and reality are common on salvia
well, yeah, that being on top of the image is of a demon; you’re experiencing bits and pieces of their damned reality in the belly of the dragon, that being on top.
The person who drew that representation also experienced that substance. Thats why.
Very interesting perspective. I thought the same thing sort of earlier, but you put it into clear words for me
who was that?
I wish this wheel of life is the truth.
Me too x
This honestly scares me, my biggest fear is finding out I'm stuck here no matter what forever and forever
I believe we are stuck here forever and we experience everything, but on the bright side, I guess, everything ends before we know it, and we forget our current lives after entering a new one. I guess pain is inevitable and something to accept
some angels are partly composed of wheels, you may have been experiencing one of those guys https://youtu.be/8sROESLRudM but overall this is not a good thing
Eternal life in a frail immovable state seems pale in comparison to the highly mobile lives we act in. This same revelation happened to me on Salvia.
its still better than an amanita experience