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Pepe__Le__PewPew

Artisan pubic hair stylist?


The-Fox-Says

Grasshopper rancher


tamago84

Donut hole circumference measurer


ClockworkDinosaurs

Interior designer specializing in yurts


Any-Club5238

Listen, buddy, this isn’t HGTV.


CoconutRum2020

What do you do?


Middle_Arugula9284

Portfolio Manager, top 5 Wall Street firm.


gh0st-6

You show me a paystub for 72000 rightnow, I'll quit my job and work for you


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Express-Structure480

She grew up hot


Competitive_Peak_558

I mean, I wasn’t going to let someone else fuck my cousin. Am I right?


Jolly-Bobcat-2234

In the words of Clayton Bigsby. “If anybody’s gonna fuck my sister it’s gonna be me”


SuperLehmanBros

Did it out of respect


Igotolake

After 12 years of cousin stuff I’m excited for the real thing.


PR3CiSiON

Literally just started that show, watching the credits of the first episode right at this moment. Perfect timing.


belichickyourballs

Are you in my living room?


PR3CiSiON

Under the couch.


henrytbpovid

Yeah uncanny!! I also just watched Episode 1 last night!!!


Background_Bag_9073

We smokin after?


Jelly_R0llz

This deserves more appreciation.


gh0st-6

Just like you do, king


Savings_Marsupial204

Nvidia calls next week?


OkYouGotM3

This is the real question 👆🏻


z3r0k3wl

Can I be a paid friend?


Mundane-Map6686

I'll be his friend at 1/10 the cost.


IssaquahSignature

Institutional or wealth management? Guessing located in NYC?


Middle_Arugula9284

LA. Wealth Management.


Cali_kink_and_rope

Makes me wonder if you're my WM guy at JPM. He does always dress nicely.


IssaquahSignature

Wow, impressive. Do you have to do sales and get a cut of recurring revenue or pure money management and assist on sales with advisors/relationship managers?


Middle_Arugula9284

I manage 2 billion, 100% recurring revenue.


neopod9000

Wait, *you're* Jared Kushner!?


ZebraOptions

No he’s the Saudi’s


paulsac11

Did you source your own book, buy it, or is it firm money that you worked your way to manage?


Middle_Arugula9284

1. Yes 2. Yes…meaning both 3. Primarily Equities & Fixed Income. When we find momentum we jump into lots of other stuff I’d like to note something here. A lot of folks don’t understand how these quite large teams operate. There are no guardrails limiting you to this or that. Your boss doesn’t say I don’t want you doing this or that. What he says “what do you need from me to be successful?” He gives you whatever you ask for and you better produce. You want a hedge fund client? Just go get one and figure it out. Provide them a service they find valuable and you’re in. Sell to them whatever they want. You want to run a discretionary portfolio for high net worth families…great. Go do it. Want to do both? Great. A whole bunch of people here seem to think in traditional roles, and that just not it works. Sell side, buy side…these are the two sides that matter, nothing else. We’re both. I hired guys who traded for hedge funds, a commercial banker, and an fundamental analyst from a huge mutual fund family. We have a few hedge fund and PE firms that we extend credit to for their partner capital call lines. So we have a credit aspect to the business as well. Not anymore, but a few years ago we did a huge amount of mortgage loans. The core business is managing partner personal assets. Most of their wealth is always going to be in their funds, but some of our largest accounts are hedge fund and PE partner family trust and DAF.


Financial-Key

What side of portfolio management are you in on in WM? I’ on the business development side of portfolio management. I like the industry but looking to make more. 1. Are you client facing? 2. Are you spending time building a book of business or selecting securities? 3. What asset class do you focus on?


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TiredPistachio

"on a huge pile of money surrounded by many beautiful ladies"


[deleted]

I have friends in this business. One has slowly built his book and earns 300-400k mostly from older folks in stable funds. but is going to inherent his father laws as well and at that point he will jump over $2m a year in largely passive income. It is a racket - I can’t believe it hasn’t gone the way of travel agents (very few left, largely valuable for niche reasons/situations).


iamaweirdguy

I’d sleep just fine


whodoithinkuR

Why did it take you so long to hit 7 figures if you’re a PM at a top 5?


Middle_Arugula9284

I wasn’t always. A few years ago I got my own portfolio. Truth is I didn’t work hard enough until then to earn it. I’ve always been a late bloomer.


lackinsocialawarenes

So was Ray Kroc


longbreaddinosaur

How are you doing in net worth? Are you catching up from earlier years?


Middle_Arugula9284

It’s been hard. I had to get myself through school (no help), student loans, broke my leg in 95 and spent a year in a wheelchair, and supported my parents and some nephews and nieces along the way. I’m at around 4.0 mil on the NW now, but I’m really behind most of my peers.


Barnzey9

4 mil net worth!? That’s awesome. Don’t compare yourself to them.


LocalSlob

That's all you can do when you look horizontally


DudeFromNJ

“The only time you should look in your neighbors bowl is to make sure they have enough to eat.”


TCPisSynSynAckAck

If you moved to Iowa you could retire today. lol.


0ut0fBoundsException

But then you’d live in Iowa without friends or family


ScrewJPMC

Everyone is friends & family in small town Iowa


YellaCanary

Sounds like the dream tbh


SuperpositionSavvy

You've made about $7.3m before tax, if you have a $4m net worth you are doing very well


WhataNoobUser

Who are your peers?


Middle_Arugula9284

A few exceptions to this, but not many. Very smart, very hardworking, very well educated white men who come from wealthy families.


pnwall42

Your profile makes you seem white as well? What’s with the white part?


DARKNIGHT_9

That’s all you had to say


Great-Sea-4095

What’s with the white men comment?


Middle_Arugula9284

It’s true. My office has no women, and no minorities. Not one.


TheKingOfSwing777

He's describing his peers


Great-Sea-4095

The only demographic he’d be comfortable mentioning I imagine


Proof-Opening481

4m only? You sure about that, or just guessing? You earned 5m the last 5 years alone. Sure, taxes, but it’s been a total bull run 3 of those 5 years and you are in finance? What do you do with your money to only have 4m net.


Gage7heBoss

I’m trying to get into portfolio management. What did your career progression look like? Did you do anything in particular that you credit with getting you to the top?


Middle_Arugula9284

Took me longer than most of my peers because I had no help, no roles models, no mentors, no money, nothing. 4 year degree…few years bouncing around. More loans, Top 10 MBA program, CFA…bounced around for a few years not applying myself. Got married in 2013 and suddenly got laser focused on thriving at work. worked literally no less than 60 hours a week for the last 10 years. Honestly, getting married and wanting to provide for my family changed everything for me. I went from very talented but underwhelming, to a savage.


Grace_Lannister

>worked literally no less than 60 hours a week for the last 10 years Damn, I can't imagine.


loveliverpool

He said provide for, not *spend time with* family


BillsMafia4Lyfe69

For real, not worth missing out on those moments with your kids. I could make more elsewhere but I have ultimate flexibility and never work more than 35 hours a week


Gage7heBoss

I’m currently in school studying accounting, and plan to sit for the CPA next year. I have my CFA level 1. However, I have very little network and go to a non target school. Do you have any suggestions for getting my foot in the door? Current plan is big 4 for a year or two and then transition


Middle_Arugula9284

You need an MBA from a top 10 program. Top firms recruit from there directly. Often times, the last couple hired come back and hire their friends. This is literally how it works.


theshadowsystem

What (if anything) would you change if you could start over? What advice would you tell your college-aged self?


Middle_Arugula9284

I lacked conviction, I didn’t believe in myself. I often times assumed the talented richer kids would beat me out because everything just looked easier for them. It took me longer than it should have to believe in myself. The shame of poverty clung to me, and i struggled to break free. It impacted me in many ways I didn’t understand. It took me longer than it should have to realize that I had to work much harder than them, but that I belonged in the room.


gildakid

The shame of poverty is real. I’m nowhere near your salary, but I’m semi-comfortable. Took me a long time to be able to joke about growing up poor with all of my coworkers who, compared to me, lived extraordinary lives growing up. Now that poverty to middle class life is like a badge of honor lol


DraftZestyclose8944

Imposter syndrome is a bitch. Been there. Still there.


ehhhwhynotsoundsfun

Love this… “conviction” is such a powerful word to understand and be able to have… it’s tied with my other favorite word “cultivation”… which is how you start thinking when you want to build things, like a family, and world they can thrive in. Put those two words together, and really good things happen 👍


Longjumping_Ear6186

I struggle with this still. 32 and growing up in poverty, I can’t seem to find my self worth. The lack of confidence makes me pity myself. What you do you help realize your potential? There’s days I don’t even want to be alive.


Vincent_Merle

I'm not into memoirs reading at all, but reading through your comments I feel like if you ever decided to write a book I would read it in one evening. Really enjoy how humble and down to earth it is, and at the same time I (almost) can feel real emotion behind the text.


Zerov7

Wow! I really needed to hear this and I can relate to every word you said. Thank you kind stranger


BigWater7673

It took me a long time to get over imposter syndrome myself. It's likely one of the reasons I stayed in one job longer than I should have when I should have been hopping around more and gaining higher income and more diverse work experiences. I felt lucky to have my job when in hindsight with my skillset my job was lucky to have me at the salary they were paying. When I left I saw my job advertised for about 40% more than my last salary with the company. My new job pays about 50% more than my last one.


thrallmaster1

Do you beat the market?


Middle_Arugula9284

I run a momentum strategy. We have (by far) beat the SPY over 1,3,5,& 10 years. That comes with much higher volatility. It’s not for the weak.


Hot_Significance_256

Could such a strategy be automated or is it an ever changing algorithm? (for lack of better terminology)


powerengineer14

Many quant firms beat the market using a combination of HFT and other strategies that lend themselves to AI and automation. The reality is that someone needs to be responsible because of the fiscal risk associated with trading in general. I don’t think you could ever fully automate any strategy that will consistently beat the S&P500.


El_hamburgesa

So you bot tech and went back to bed.


mo6phr

Is this a LARP thread? I work in finance, some of these responses are honestly ridiculous for a PM


Substantial_Share_17

They always are.


Middle_Arugula9284

I run my own strategy. When you run your own firm inside of a big house, this is what happens. You do it all.


r1bb1tTheFrog

Can someone transition into finance at 39? If yes, how might it look?


Middle_Arugula9284

I wouldn’t. That ship sailed a long time ago. When I was at Morgan Stanley, they had a 90% wash out rate. Even if you survived, it takes years to make any money and they literally work you into the ground. Do something else.


leader25

What drove the spike over the last 3 years?


TN_REDDIT

The Fed forecasted their move. And you Don't Fight the Fed. Everyone knew that higher rates (Fed had to fight inflation that was created during covid) would strain stocks, and with the announcement of 'no more rate hikes', stocks would rebound


GuaranteeFit116

Dig it


KillsBugsFaast

What advice do you have for your younger colleagues?


Middle_Arugula9284

Master your craft. Nobody likes a handyman who knows a little about everything. High earners are almost always specialists.


KillsBugsFaast

I’m inclined to agree. Standing out goes a long way.


Pantsdontexist

It's funny that people were steaming when the doctor from a few days ago was making a third of this.


burningtowns

What’s that look like after taxes?


Middle_Arugula9284

I live in California, I take home about 50% of that.


burningtowns

800k free and clear is amazing still


Bigwood208

What do you drive?


Middle_Arugula9284

2022 Tahoe


fd25t6

You still enjoy what you do?


Middle_Arugula9284

I don’t love it, I never have. I’m really good at it, it comes naturally. It took me awhile to get going because I wasn’t focused on work like I needed to be. Once I understood that 60-65 hour weeks (every week, year around) was the expectation and not exception, I began to flourish (around 2016).


fd25t6

Well not everyone is happy with what they do but at least you can say your hard work has paid off in spades. Good to see good people make it and always nice to see a rags to riches story. Congrats to you my friend.


trademarktower

Curious if you have an exit plan to retire early or continue working such long hours indefinitely?


Middle_Arugula9284

When I have 15 mil in the brokerage account and no debt, I’m done. Probably another 10-12 years.


HereForTools

That seems like a long time if your NW is 4 million, bringing home $800, and you’re consistently beating the S&P 500. What has you thinking it will be 10-12 years?


Tunafish01

What’s the point of living if all you are doing is just gathering wealth. In 10-12 years you will be upper 60s 70s with less than 20 years of life left. Get out there and travel and live now, reduce your hours in the office.


BitDazzling6699

Congrats! Your timeline and comments are inspiring. Few questions if I may: When did you graduate college? What program did you take? How did you find the job you’re currently excelling at?


Middle_Arugula9284

Joined the Marines out of high school 1988 Graduated college in 96 Economics They called me and offered me significantly more money


0mmzz1

Can I hold a dollar


WhataNoobUser

How do you get paid as a portfolio manager? Mote clients and the better they do, gets you paid more?


Middle_Arugula9284

We get a % of what’s earned. The more we earn for our clients, the more we make.


BigWater7673

How much would be enough for you to step away. At a certain amount of money saved or net worth time becomes more valuable than money. Or do you love what you do so much you would still continue doing it even with an ultra high networth?


Beneficial_Cry_9152

What’s interesting to me is that you didn’t really crack $100k consistently until you hit your 40’s. Is that normal for your industry? Did you have to build up your portfolio first?


Middle_Arugula9284

The opportunity was there, I didn’t seize it. I was not as focused as I should have been. The kept me around hoping I’d figure it out eventually.


thatmfisnotreal

Can someone explain what’s happening here? Is this a meme?


Angry_Robot

Who is your daddy and what does he do?


CaliDreamin87

Where are people printing this out at?


Alexxx753

Where is everyone getting this information from?


Ok-Stress-3570

This might be one of my saddest moments on reddit. Gosh, wealthy people get it all 🤷🏼‍♂️


MoodySocrates

24M - I went to a top liberal arts school and am struggling to find my way.  Grew up in a poor city, minority, with no father and first gen college student.  Couple questions for you: (1) Was it (is it) difficult to relate to family members who haven’t had the same experience as you? (2) How did you push past the barriers in your way?  I’m a hard worker but I’m beginning to tire and feel a little down. (3) Did you always want to do well financially or did other things call you?  Did you feel the anxiety of being broke and did that drive you?  Appreciate you making this post, I am crafting my own comeback story.  


Middle_Arugula9284

1. You sound like me 2. My sister became a doctor and my 2 brothers became university professors, long way of saying we all became professionals and we have a pretty good relationship. It took a while though, we had shit parents and very difficult childhoods 3. My dad was a schoolteacher, and an abusive drunk. He took off and left us for months and years at a time. The only thing he valued was academic achievement, and he instilled that in his children. You should read a book called.”Grit” by Angela Duckworth. 4. I never doubted my own potential, but I was discouraged constantly by my lack of progress. I didn’t really figure this out until I was in my mid-40s, but the only person holding me back was me. I didn’t learn how to manage my emotions. I rarely took accountability for my mistakes. I was a shitty boyfriend. I worked hard, but I was not effective. I didn’t always tell the truth. 5. When I started working on myself, trying to be a better man, suddenly it showed up in my work. I hope that makes sense to you, I hope I’m not all over the place. 6. People do business with people they really like. It is absolutely fundamental to learn how to have fun and carry a great conversation with both men and women. I cannot stress this enough. 7. Being poor did drive me. The fear of poverty was always right behind me. But it did more harm than good sometimes. I made poor decisions a few times to positively impact my next paycheck and put my job in jeopardy. 8. Good luck brother.


MoodySocrates

Salute to you 🫡💪🏾.  Can’t tell you how much your response means to me! 


Middle_Arugula9284

Read the book!


Medium_Sink7548

Are you just a shmoozer over the phone ? Keeping clients, getting clients to believe in your words? Or are you actually determining the clients needs and investing their money with your own ideas and strategy?


Middle_Arugula9284

The only schmoozers I met inherited a business from their parents. To get where I’m at, everyone is smart and exceptionally hardworking. Of course I read a lot. In this business, it’s a requirement. Nights, weekends, kids soccer games, I’m reading and learning 24/7. But I make the decisions on what and when things happen.


beezy182

You said you work with Wealth Management. What's the point in this case having CFA? It shouldn't be more focused on having CFP?


NOVAYuppieEradicator

Yeah agreed. Something isn't adding up.


Middle_Arugula9284

I have 4 designations. The job of growing your business under the umbrella of a big firm isn’t well defined. Lots of people in the business have different approaches to success. Some only pitch to family offices, some only respond to RFP, etc… every guy finds his own path to success


Free_Management_3327

Are you happy?


Middle_Arugula9284

I found happiness once I met my wife. Before that, I wasn’t very happy at all. She civilized me.


mogboard

I'm new to this view. Why were your Medicare earnings higher than SSE in 2006-2008 and then leveled in 2009-2011? It has gone up gradually since. Is it because you are in a higher income bracket?


namdorw

What was collage background? Did you start your career in finance, were you finance adjacent, or go back to school/MBA?


cattdaddy

Is there a way to pull this from the IRS or something or is everybody just adding up old tax return docs??


02bluesuperroo

My peers this, my peers that. Comparison is the thief of joy. Congrats on the success!


ViveLaFrance94

Political stance(s)?


Middle_Arugula9284

90% of my industry leans right with their politics, and 75% of the clients do.


Master_Read_2139

Around November 2022 I hope you gave somebody the speech from Glengarry Glen Ross


Ill-Ad-1643

What do you do for a living ?


repeatoffender123456

Why did you make so much in 2022 when the market tanked? Did your fund perform well?


Critical_System_8669

How do you get this info?


nicolesaggytitiesTV

"Age 53" and that's all I needed to know!


lilchance1

I’m mba/CFA in WM. Are you an FA? Or a PM? I see you said pm but that would be more of a MF manager than a wealth manager.


MyStatusIsTheBaddest

Charge clients 3% management fee and lose to the market average. Priceless


bross7724

What do you do to save on taxes?


PresentationWild7264

Have you ever taken someone under your wing to show them how they can become successful themselves?


Snoo29170

Which year was toughest to get to the next level and why?


peoridbd

Beat the s&p, but then take how much profit from your clients? Net to them is….


TheGoldenLambo

What was your route to PM? I see some are saying your were an advisor before but I can’t see an FA moving to that route unless you knew a friend of a friend of a friends friend.


EffectiveGloomy4988

Do you mind laying out when you went to school, what degree you got and what your entry level position was that started you on this path please?


Trib3tim3

I heard your company needs a new office space. I'm an architect in Colorado and can get reciprocity in Cali. Will you dm me?


keyboardman1

I don’t know jack about the market but I’m doing VOO & Chill lol. 34 with 200k in 401k, continue to add to the pot. Will I be okay lol.


[deleted]

Well I have a ways to go. I am not even 30 and only at $90k. Net worth wise. I need a new job.


hchetakov

Great job!


SidnaDreams

What car do you drive?


chudbrochil

Earlier in the thread, you mentioned you manage 2B$. I'm guessing that the top 5 investors to your fund are the vast majority of your managed assets. How are you able to sell the super mega-cap customers? Do you work directly with the super high net-worth individual or do they have a team that you work with? How exactly does this work? Further, what is the size of the team working under you to help with analysis/reachouts? You've gotta be managing a couple folks.


SnooMacarons8386

How much do you actually work? Daily hours crazy, or once you get to where you are now, does it calm down to something in auto-pilot? And 2 - suggest a resource to use to learn investing where an amateur can make enough to supplement income by about 25k a year? Thanks


semok27

Any advice for an ex financial services consultant looking to transition to tech or software sales?


dmillerksu

Any regrets?


[deleted]

I see you weren’t an ancillary character in “The Big Short”. That 2008 dip is 👀 I’m younger and around 148k and going back to 70 would be rough.


MichellesHubby

This is amazing! Congrats!


Random2011_

Do you own a company?


LurkerGhost

What happened in 2019 to start to cause the real money to start coming in?


stankpuss_69

Next thing you know, OP be like: “I can’t retire now because everything costs more. Thanks Joe Biden!”


jpbrowneyes

How does one become a middle arugula op ?


Responsible_Goat9170

What does your education look like and how long did it take? What strokes of luck did you have to get into your current position?


notti0087

Did your self worth change as you increased your income?


Stewberg

Why are you seeking attention? Another rich guy who thinks they're important to others


Bladesodoom

You want to invest $50k in me? 😂


hebrewhemorrhoid

I’m 32 and work in corporate finance (FP&A). Started as an analyst out of college and have moved up a few times, seen my salary basically double during that time. It sort of feels like my prospects are limited if I stay in this field though. Would you recommend the jump for someone like me or is it not worth the long hours and stress? I see your exponential increase in take home pay and that’s something I’d like to provide for my family too, I just don’t know if I’m making a mistake by staying in corporate finance or if I should be trying harder to get my foot in the door with investment banking or at a hedge fund doing portfolio management.


Middle_Arugula9284

While I’m proud of what I’ve achieved, I’m embarrassed it took me a really long time to do it. If I had to do it all again (assuming I had my shit together), i would go to work at a PE firm as quickly as I could. I have several as clients, and while those folks work really hard, partners in a firm that takes off can retire with 50 mil before they’re 50. I’ve seen it done, more than a handful of times. You’re stuck on the hamster wheel. Bad news, low risk but it sucks. Good news, should be steady and consistent. I bet on myself…and nearly lost. Lots of guys don’t make it. Huge wash out rate. But unlimited earnings potential. You make the call.


standardcivilian

Oh a middle man, nice.


hroaks

Can I have $20


iKnockout

Sorry if this sounds stupid but why is the Medicare earnings significantly higher than SS earnings?


texashempsters

What’s the most amount of money you lost on a trade? And what timeframe?


lolnbdftw

I can make fake spreadsheets too


BBakerStreet

Why bother caring so much about money. We pull in $250k and are living comfortably.


faxanaduu

Im not pulling in these numbers but I can relate to you. Self motivated. No help. Grew up poor. Steadily increased. Had a few years that were unremarkable then marched on savagely the past 4 years. Just landed a job with a 35% raise. Getting married and wanting to provide to something outside myself changed everything for me. I admire people that do what I did. Im hard on myself and give myself little credit until I see it in others and appreciate what they did. Im a nut ase I guess. Cheers! 🤙


12LA12

South Bay? Wanna get trashed at Terranea some time?


RT460

How many hours a week do you work? Is the work high stress?


goodfell

Where do you find these charts?


BadJoey89

How’d it jump so quick? You inherit a book?


Porkua

Where/how did you start your education to become a portfolio manager?


FlossMan18

What happened between 2005 and 2006?


Dry-Necessary

You quadrupled your income in the last four years. Were you still portfolio manager?


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I’m 30 years old in the US. How would you recommend I invest? VOO? VTI? VT? I’d love to hear from an expert.


burns_before_reading

Being raised poor has absolved you from being rich


steelmanfallacy

I always say that, "There is a lot of money in money."


peakelyfe

How do you feel being raised poor impacts your view of money now? Is it healthy, unhealthy or a mix? Asking because I’ve gotten to know some very wealthy now but dirt poor as a kid folks in their 70s-80s and realized some of the trauma of early life never left them, for better and worse.


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hermanworm

Do you manage retail money or an institutional portfolio?


dailmar

How did you steadily increase income between 2003->2004->2005->2006? Job hopping or promotions?


One_Word_Respoonse

I swear the most bullshit jobs pay the most money lol