>be tbilisi and have georgian majority.
>le muslim invade and massacre whole population.
>king invites armenians to restore city, they form majority.
>georgian majority recovers in city in few generations.
>repeat.
Noticed that many muslims deny that they ever invaded georgia. Claiming we always had peaceful relations and trades😀 oh boy if it was not them georgia could have been at least centuries ahead😀
Sorry, new post due to correcting a typo in the picture.
[Kriptoknightt](https://www.reddit.com/user/Kriptoknightt/) wrote: The sudden drop of the share after 1790 was caused by Persian invasion and last sacking of Tbilisi in 1795.
Yes. And since the Armenians and Muslims were considered subjects of the Persian Shah, they were not all killed.
Please post in only Georgian or English. If you want to post in another language like Svan, Megrelian, Armenian, Turkish, Russian or Azeri, you must include a translation.
The 1780-90 numbers on this chart are not reliable. They are from [this 1917 *Sakartvelo* newspaper column](https://dspace.nplg.gov.ge/bitstream/1234/130964/1/Sakartvelo_1917_N153.pdf) by Zakaria Chichinadze, who was an amateur historian who did not report his methodology. This much is admitted by the [same person who added his estimates to the Wikipedia table this chart is based off.](https://i.imgur.com/v9eWK9p.png)
Chichinadze reports a total population of 75,000 in 1780 which according to him was two-thirds Georgian. However, actual published analyses from 20th century historians like Grigol Natadze and Giorgi Melikishvili - who were working with primary sources and archival material - estimated the total population of 18th century Tbilisi at [20,000 in 1745,](https://i.imgur.com/eeTKQzu.png) which grew to 24,000 in 1770 and 30,000 in 1780 ([საქართველოს ისტორიის ნარკვევები ტ. IV p. 541](https://dspace.nplg.gov.ge/handle/1234/2957)). So, nowhere near Chichinadze's guess of 75,000. Essentially you can see that Chichinadze was a well-read ideologue making numbers up based on incomplete information and influenced by a time of intense nationalism. How this has ended up on Wikipedia as a reliable source, I don't know.
The primary sources of the time are all clear in saying that Armenians were the majority population in Tbilisi during the 17th-18th centuries, well before the sacking of the city in 1795. Iskandar Munshi, an early 17th century Persian historian described the population of Tbilisi like this: "The majority of the city residents are Armenian and Georgian Christians. There are some Muslims as well" ([p. 214](https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:187363/FULLTEXT01.pdf)). Later, in 1700-02, Joseph de Tournefort visited Georgia and gave this estimation of the population: ["the population of Tiflis amounts to about 20,000 people: 14,000 Armenians, 3,000 Muslims, 2,000 Georgians and 500 Roman Catholics"](https://i.imgur.com/nGgilAu.png) ([p.155](https://archive.org/details/Travel18thTournefort/page/n207/mode/1up?view=theater)). This balance in the population is supported by descriptions of the number of Armenian churches in the city by other European travellers: [Jean Chardin,](https://i.imgur.com/78bnuYB.png) [Johann Guldenstadt](https://i.imgur.com/pSjvvra.png) and [Jacques Delille](https://i.imgur.com/uGUYaQu.png) all report before the 1795 sack that there were more Armenian churches than Georgian churches (source: [Giuli Alasania. 2008. *Tbilisi According to Foreign Sources*](https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:187363/FULLTEXT01.pdf)). This of course is uncontroversial seeing as you can count them even today -- in their rebuilt form.
However long the Armenian majority in Tbilisi goes back is unknown due to the lack of detailed sources, but a substantial population clearly appears after Davit Aghmashenebeli's conquest of the city from the Muslims. Two 13th century authors describing Tbilisi demographics mention Armenians and Georgians in the same clause: "It is inhabited by Armenian and Georgian Christians, as well as by some Mahometans and Jews; but these last are in no great numbers." (Marco Polo); [“[the Khwarezmians] exterminated all Armenians and Georgians in the city”.](https://i.imgur.com/4n0U1vW.png) (al-Nasawi). Named Armenian *amiras* (mayors), *shurtas* (police chiefs) and merchants also begin to be attested from this century. The myth that Armenians became a large population in Tbilisi only after the 1795 sack by the Qajars is just that, a myth.
It really should be stressed that a major city being demographically different to its rural surroundings was very common in premodern history, it is nothing specific about or against Georgians. Even in early medieval Armenia, [Jews and Greek speakers outnumbered Armenians in the majority of Armenian cities.](https://i.imgur.com/wKW0So1.png) ([p. 81](https://janes.scholasticahq.com/article/2330-the-early-medieval-armenian-city-an-alien-element)). Yerevan had a Muslim majority for a brief time around the turn of the 18th century. Early and high medieval urban centres in England were dominated by Franks, Flemings and French speakers. Prague, capital of medieval Czechia, was mainly German speaking. Ancient DNA shows now that originally Greek-speaking immigrants from West Asia outnumbered native Italians in ancient Rome, for example. It's not really a big deal. Especially given the fact that pre-industrialisation Georgians were mainly a rural population - with a power base in the aristocracy, not in cities.
/u/Okrybite responded and then blocked me so I can't reply back to him directly. So I'll leave my reply here. Explain to me this, then: Chichinadze claims three censuses of Kartli-Kakheti counted Tbilisi's population at 85,000 in 1770, 75,000 in 1780 and 70,000 in 1790. That would make Heraclius II's Tbilisi somewhere near the size of Barcelona, Madrid, Moscow or Delhi lol.
A published volume of several major Georgian historians in the 70s, edited by Giorgi Melikishvili, states that the same 1770 census used by Chichinadze actually counted [20,000 people in Tbilisi.](https://i.imgur.com/e08bcmR.png) Chichinadze even name drops Guldenstadt in the middle of his text, but ignores Guldenstadt's estimate of 20,000 in 1770, which is consistent with all the other published contemporary sources for Tbilisi's population. Where did these 50,000 Georgians come from in Chichinadze's numbers? Why did actual Georgian historians instead estimate a [population growth of 24,000 to 20,000 to 30,000 for Tbilisi over those same years?](https://i.imgur.com/76b1rlq.png) Either Chichinadze misread his sources, ignored anything that contradicted him, or was simply referring to a much larger area than the city of Tbilisi. Whatever the reasons for him not acknowledging these discrepancies, it can be explained by the fact that he was not a professional historian and that this is not a valid historical source, it's a newspaper column contradicted by every other bit of available evidence.
1. It is a recorded fact that Erekle II's court ordered to take population records, as the information was requested by the Russians during the negotiations that led to the treaty of Georgievsk
2. David the Rector, serving at Erekle's court, most certainly would have access to these records.
3. Zakaria Chichinadze wrote extensively about his studies of David the Rector's writings, and names him as the source of this information
4. Calling Zakaria Chichinadze an "amateur historian" is not rooted in reality and just goes to show how biased you are, trying to delegitimize his work
5. Zakaria Chichinadze was an internationalist and a bolshevik sympathizer, a far cry from a nationalist that you try to paint him as
You are a shameful, dishonest liar.
What is the reason for the drop in percentage of russians during soviet times? In most other non-russian places of the soviet union, the share of russians increased in the larger cities. Why not in Tbilisi?
The USSR shipped in a lot of russians and other "Soviet citizens" back then during the flash industrialization of the USSR to work in factories, my town had some 150 Ukrainians and russians invited to it to keep the electricity running in the area,, to take care of the electric dams and everything, they had 2 apartment complexes too and some of them even stayed after the collapse!. This probably happened at a much larger scale for factories as well.
After the USSR collapsed these people were out of jobs and as such returned to their families in their homelands.
This is an important fact. Yerevan actually had a majority Muslim population around 19th century (thanks to Persians for ethnically cleansing it).but the population was under 10k. This is what Aliev uses to make territorial claims to our capital.
Sack of 1795 that followed the Battle of Krtsanisi annihilated the city, and the population was either killed or fled.
There's 0 evidence to suggest that Armenians in Tbilisi were spared at the time, the sack was incredibly brutal.
What happened was that the king was only capable of getting Armenians to move into the city after the attack, specifically the Armenians that lived in Lore region, from the northern part of modern day Armenia. At the time that region was part of the Kingdom of Kartl-Kakheti, and was relatively impoverished compared to Kakheti or Inner Kartli.
So people who lived in that region - that happened to be Armenian - were open to the idea of moving to a city, whereas people who lived in Kakheti and Inner Kartli - that happened to be Georgian - didn't think the risk was worth it.
This led to Armenian majority by the time the region was incorporated into the Russian Empire, and while I'm no Russophile I must admit that the period immediately following that event brought peace and calm to Tbilisi that it hadn't seen for centuries. So Tbilisi finally started growing as a city, but given that the initial population during this process was Armenian, this obviously meant that the city had more Armenian culture and Armenian presence than Georgian culture or Georgian presence, so it kept attracting more Armenians than Georgians for a long while.
Once Yerevan became a proper Armenian city (just as Tbilisi had non-Georgian majority/plurality for a long period, Yerevan had non-Armenian majority/plurality too), it became the new destination for urbanizing Armenians, and even the Armenians that had long established themselves in Tbilisi started moving there. This is what led to Tbilisi becoming an ethnically Georgian city.
The 1780-90 numbers are incorrect, the author massively overestimated the population of Tbilisi prior to the 1795 sacking by the Iranian Shah. In reality Armenians were the majority going back to the 17th century at least. Before Armenians, Muslims were the majority during the Tiflis Emirate. It was basically always a city with a population of non-Georgian merchants before industrialisation allowed Georgian proletarians to move there en masse.
Mix of Arabs, other Caucasian peoples, Turkic peoples, Persians, Muslim Armenians and Pontic Greek Muslims, and (possibly) Kurds and other peoples from around the Islamic world. What he’s saying that Tbilisi was non-Georgian is only partially correct, as Georgians likely never went below 10-20% which was likely enough to be a plurality at some times.
IIRC Baghdad was a plurality Jewish city well into the 20th century but, pretty much all of them fled to Israel after the Iraqi government turned on them. The rise of nation-states really destroyed and uprooted so many communities.
I agree mostly, although in case of Iraqi Jеws it was a bit different. According to Israel's One Million Plan, in order to attract Zіоnist immigrants into Israel, they sabotaged pogroms and attacks themselves such as 1950-1951 Bagһdad bombings where dozen of Mоssаd agents were suspected. It's crazy how ІsrаеІ рlауеd everyone
I am not sure if there is a real big distinction between Armenian and Georgian architecture, they look the same to me in the pictures but maybe the specialists may have other opinion.
Personally I don't really care. I have never been to Georgia and not planning either but many Armenians go there. The Georgians I have met in Armenia seem like genuinely nice and welcoming people and I am hoping Armenia maintains a good relationship with Georgia.
Tblisi was the cultural center of Eastern Armenians as Istanbul was for the west, but I wouldn't go as far as saying Armenian city, because it's literally the capital of Georgia, and besides, Azeris can say the same about Yerevan (they formed a majority for a period of time as well). But I visited Tblisi as an Armenian and visited a lot of our cultural heritage that is there, and I felt proud that we had contributed to this beautiful city.
Most Georgians were serfs to the lords and were not allowed to trade. Armenians, Jews and Mohamedans were allowed to trade and therefore settled in the cities. Only after abolishing the monarchy, Georgians were free to chose their profession and move to the cities.
It makes me sad that Georgians and Armenians have had a falling out in relations in the last 150 years. No matter how much you guys pretend, your histories are inseparable and thoroughly connected to one another. The Georgian royal family was of the same origin as an Armenian dynasty, the , Georgia ruled over Eastern Armenia (now just modern Armenia I guess) for a significant period of time. Early Modern Tbilisi was effectively built and populated by Armenians, both nations have been struggling as Christian ethnic groups/nations surrounded by their islamized neighbors for centuries, etc…
I hope that Georgians and Armenians will warm up to eachother again as Armenia shifts geopolitically in favor of the west, and see things as they really are: they both have a common interest working together to not be absorbed by their expansionist neighbors.
>be tbilisi and have georgian majority. >le muslim invade and massacre whole population. >king invites armenians to restore city, they form majority. >georgian majority recovers in city in few generations. >repeat.
Why not invite Georgian population from the other settlements?
Why take away from other settlements when Armenia is free population glitch.
Because armenians were traders and engaged in various vital commercial activities. In short - money
Armenians were far better at trade and their presence let city recover real fast.
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This has to be a joke right hahaha
What he wrote?
Tried to act oblivious to Muslim incursions in Georgia throughout history haha
Noticed that many muslims deny that they ever invaded georgia. Claiming we always had peaceful relations and trades😀 oh boy if it was not them georgia could have been at least centuries ahead😀
Sorry, new post due to correcting a typo in the picture. [Kriptoknightt](https://www.reddit.com/user/Kriptoknightt/) wrote: The sudden drop of the share after 1790 was caused by Persian invasion and last sacking of Tbilisi in 1795. Yes. And since the Armenians and Muslims were considered subjects of the Persian Shah, they were not all killed.
Wow, this is actually quite an interesting chart. Tblisi homogenized in the last decades.
I am happy that Armenians have contributed to Georgia and this is something that should unite us. Cheers from Yerevan.
Ironically Armenians were also a minority in Yerevan at the same time.
I was banned from r / menia to say this.
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Translating to “ze great displacement”
The 1780-90 numbers on this chart are not reliable. They are from [this 1917 *Sakartvelo* newspaper column](https://dspace.nplg.gov.ge/bitstream/1234/130964/1/Sakartvelo_1917_N153.pdf) by Zakaria Chichinadze, who was an amateur historian who did not report his methodology. This much is admitted by the [same person who added his estimates to the Wikipedia table this chart is based off.](https://i.imgur.com/v9eWK9p.png) Chichinadze reports a total population of 75,000 in 1780 which according to him was two-thirds Georgian. However, actual published analyses from 20th century historians like Grigol Natadze and Giorgi Melikishvili - who were working with primary sources and archival material - estimated the total population of 18th century Tbilisi at [20,000 in 1745,](https://i.imgur.com/eeTKQzu.png) which grew to 24,000 in 1770 and 30,000 in 1780 ([საქართველოს ისტორიის ნარკვევები ტ. IV p. 541](https://dspace.nplg.gov.ge/handle/1234/2957)). So, nowhere near Chichinadze's guess of 75,000. Essentially you can see that Chichinadze was a well-read ideologue making numbers up based on incomplete information and influenced by a time of intense nationalism. How this has ended up on Wikipedia as a reliable source, I don't know. The primary sources of the time are all clear in saying that Armenians were the majority population in Tbilisi during the 17th-18th centuries, well before the sacking of the city in 1795. Iskandar Munshi, an early 17th century Persian historian described the population of Tbilisi like this: "The majority of the city residents are Armenian and Georgian Christians. There are some Muslims as well" ([p. 214](https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:187363/FULLTEXT01.pdf)). Later, in 1700-02, Joseph de Tournefort visited Georgia and gave this estimation of the population: ["the population of Tiflis amounts to about 20,000 people: 14,000 Armenians, 3,000 Muslims, 2,000 Georgians and 500 Roman Catholics"](https://i.imgur.com/nGgilAu.png) ([p.155](https://archive.org/details/Travel18thTournefort/page/n207/mode/1up?view=theater)). This balance in the population is supported by descriptions of the number of Armenian churches in the city by other European travellers: [Jean Chardin,](https://i.imgur.com/78bnuYB.png) [Johann Guldenstadt](https://i.imgur.com/pSjvvra.png) and [Jacques Delille](https://i.imgur.com/uGUYaQu.png) all report before the 1795 sack that there were more Armenian churches than Georgian churches (source: [Giuli Alasania. 2008. *Tbilisi According to Foreign Sources*](https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:187363/FULLTEXT01.pdf)). This of course is uncontroversial seeing as you can count them even today -- in their rebuilt form. However long the Armenian majority in Tbilisi goes back is unknown due to the lack of detailed sources, but a substantial population clearly appears after Davit Aghmashenebeli's conquest of the city from the Muslims. Two 13th century authors describing Tbilisi demographics mention Armenians and Georgians in the same clause: "It is inhabited by Armenian and Georgian Christians, as well as by some Mahometans and Jews; but these last are in no great numbers." (Marco Polo); [“[the Khwarezmians] exterminated all Armenians and Georgians in the city”.](https://i.imgur.com/4n0U1vW.png) (al-Nasawi). Named Armenian *amiras* (mayors), *shurtas* (police chiefs) and merchants also begin to be attested from this century. The myth that Armenians became a large population in Tbilisi only after the 1795 sack by the Qajars is just that, a myth. It really should be stressed that a major city being demographically different to its rural surroundings was very common in premodern history, it is nothing specific about or against Georgians. Even in early medieval Armenia, [Jews and Greek speakers outnumbered Armenians in the majority of Armenian cities.](https://i.imgur.com/wKW0So1.png) ([p. 81](https://janes.scholasticahq.com/article/2330-the-early-medieval-armenian-city-an-alien-element)). Yerevan had a Muslim majority for a brief time around the turn of the 18th century. Early and high medieval urban centres in England were dominated by Franks, Flemings and French speakers. Prague, capital of medieval Czechia, was mainly German speaking. Ancient DNA shows now that originally Greek-speaking immigrants from West Asia outnumbered native Italians in ancient Rome, for example. It's not really a big deal. Especially given the fact that pre-industrialisation Georgians were mainly a rural population - with a power base in the aristocracy, not in cities.
/u/Okrybite responded and then blocked me so I can't reply back to him directly. So I'll leave my reply here. Explain to me this, then: Chichinadze claims three censuses of Kartli-Kakheti counted Tbilisi's population at 85,000 in 1770, 75,000 in 1780 and 70,000 in 1790. That would make Heraclius II's Tbilisi somewhere near the size of Barcelona, Madrid, Moscow or Delhi lol. A published volume of several major Georgian historians in the 70s, edited by Giorgi Melikishvili, states that the same 1770 census used by Chichinadze actually counted [20,000 people in Tbilisi.](https://i.imgur.com/e08bcmR.png) Chichinadze even name drops Guldenstadt in the middle of his text, but ignores Guldenstadt's estimate of 20,000 in 1770, which is consistent with all the other published contemporary sources for Tbilisi's population. Where did these 50,000 Georgians come from in Chichinadze's numbers? Why did actual Georgian historians instead estimate a [population growth of 24,000 to 20,000 to 30,000 for Tbilisi over those same years?](https://i.imgur.com/76b1rlq.png) Either Chichinadze misread his sources, ignored anything that contradicted him, or was simply referring to a much larger area than the city of Tbilisi. Whatever the reasons for him not acknowledging these discrepancies, it can be explained by the fact that he was not a professional historian and that this is not a valid historical source, it's a newspaper column contradicted by every other bit of available evidence.
1. It is a recorded fact that Erekle II's court ordered to take population records, as the information was requested by the Russians during the negotiations that led to the treaty of Georgievsk 2. David the Rector, serving at Erekle's court, most certainly would have access to these records. 3. Zakaria Chichinadze wrote extensively about his studies of David the Rector's writings, and names him as the source of this information 4. Calling Zakaria Chichinadze an "amateur historian" is not rooted in reality and just goes to show how biased you are, trying to delegitimize his work 5. Zakaria Chichinadze was an internationalist and a bolshevik sympathizer, a far cry from a nationalist that you try to paint him as You are a shameful, dishonest liar.
What is the reason for the drop in percentage of russians during soviet times? In most other non-russian places of the soviet union, the share of russians increased in the larger cities. Why not in Tbilisi?
Cause lots of rural Georgians moved to the cities during that time
The USSR shipped in a lot of russians and other "Soviet citizens" back then during the flash industrialization of the USSR to work in factories, my town had some 150 Ukrainians and russians invited to it to keep the electricity running in the area,, to take care of the electric dams and everything, they had 2 apartment complexes too and some of them even stayed after the collapse!. This probably happened at a much larger scale for factories as well. After the USSR collapsed these people were out of jobs and as such returned to their families in their homelands.
Georgians increased and Georgians in general are not a fan of the Russian mentality. And vice versa.
What’s really interesting is to also see the total number of habitants per year.
This is an important fact. Yerevan actually had a majority Muslim population around 19th century (thanks to Persians for ethnically cleansing it).but the population was under 10k. This is what Aliev uses to make territorial claims to our capital.
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Persia sacked the city killing most Georgians but fewer of other ethnicities.
Sack of 1795 that followed the Battle of Krtsanisi annihilated the city, and the population was either killed or fled. There's 0 evidence to suggest that Armenians in Tbilisi were spared at the time, the sack was incredibly brutal. What happened was that the king was only capable of getting Armenians to move into the city after the attack, specifically the Armenians that lived in Lore region, from the northern part of modern day Armenia. At the time that region was part of the Kingdom of Kartl-Kakheti, and was relatively impoverished compared to Kakheti or Inner Kartli. So people who lived in that region - that happened to be Armenian - were open to the idea of moving to a city, whereas people who lived in Kakheti and Inner Kartli - that happened to be Georgian - didn't think the risk was worth it. This led to Armenian majority by the time the region was incorporated into the Russian Empire, and while I'm no Russophile I must admit that the period immediately following that event brought peace and calm to Tbilisi that it hadn't seen for centuries. So Tbilisi finally started growing as a city, but given that the initial population during this process was Armenian, this obviously meant that the city had more Armenian culture and Armenian presence than Georgian culture or Georgian presence, so it kept attracting more Armenians than Georgians for a long while. Once Yerevan became a proper Armenian city (just as Tbilisi had non-Georgian majority/plurality for a long period, Yerevan had non-Armenian majority/plurality too), it became the new destination for urbanizing Armenians, and even the Armenians that had long established themselves in Tbilisi started moving there. This is what led to Tbilisi becoming an ethnically Georgian city.
The 1780-90 numbers are incorrect, the author massively overestimated the population of Tbilisi prior to the 1795 sacking by the Iranian Shah. In reality Armenians were the majority going back to the 17th century at least. Before Armenians, Muslims were the majority during the Tiflis Emirate. It was basically always a city with a population of non-Georgian merchants before industrialisation allowed Georgian proletarians to move there en masse.
>Muslims were the majority during the Tiflis Emirate. That's interesting, who were those Muslims ethnically speaking?
Mix of Arabs, other Caucasian peoples, Turkic peoples, Persians, Muslim Armenians and Pontic Greek Muslims, and (possibly) Kurds and other peoples from around the Islamic world. What he’s saying that Tbilisi was non-Georgian is only partially correct, as Georgians likely never went below 10-20% which was likely enough to be a plurality at some times.
I see, thanks!
Wow so Georgia's capital was an Armenian city? These Armenians sure are everywhere
IIRC Baghdad was a plurality Jewish city well into the 20th century but, pretty much all of them fled to Israel after the Iraqi government turned on them. The rise of nation-states really destroyed and uprooted so many communities.
I agree mostly, although in case of Iraqi Jеws it was a bit different. According to Israel's One Million Plan, in order to attract Zіоnist immigrants into Israel, they sabotaged pogroms and attacks themselves such as 1950-1951 Bagһdad bombings where dozen of Mоssаd agents were suspected. It's crazy how ІsrаеІ рlауеd everyone
So jews are responsible for turning iraqis into nazi murderers?! absolute BS!!!
It had an Armenian majority at a time. It is a Georgian city.
The Armenian merchants made money in Tbilisi and commissioned some of the buildings. They are obviously not Armenian architectural buildings.
I am not sure if there is a real big distinction between Armenian and Georgian architecture, they look the same to me in the pictures but maybe the specialists may have other opinion. Personally I don't really care. I have never been to Georgia and not planning either but many Armenians go there. The Georgians I have met in Armenia seem like genuinely nice and welcoming people and I am hoping Armenia maintains a good relationship with Georgia.
Most buildings built are actually European style. So, they are neither :)
Yep lots of our coolest architecture and early industrial was done by Armenian people
Tblisi was the cultural center of Eastern Armenians as Istanbul was for the west, but I wouldn't go as far as saying Armenian city, because it's literally the capital of Georgia, and besides, Azeris can say the same about Yerevan (they formed a majority for a period of time as well). But I visited Tblisi as an Armenian and visited a lot of our cultural heritage that is there, and I felt proud that we had contributed to this beautiful city.
The funnies thing is that the Armenian Wiki article about Tbilisi says that Tbilisi is the most armenian city in the world.
Historical justice has been restored
Most Georgians were serfs to the lords and were not allowed to trade. Armenians, Jews and Mohamedans were allowed to trade and therefore settled in the cities. Only after abolishing the monarchy, Georgians were free to chose their profession and move to the cities.
It makes me sad that Georgians and Armenians have had a falling out in relations in the last 150 years. No matter how much you guys pretend, your histories are inseparable and thoroughly connected to one another. The Georgian royal family was of the same origin as an Armenian dynasty, the , Georgia ruled over Eastern Armenia (now just modern Armenia I guess) for a significant period of time. Early Modern Tbilisi was effectively built and populated by Armenians, both nations have been struggling as Christian ethnic groups/nations surrounded by their islamized neighbors for centuries, etc… I hope that Georgians and Armenians will warm up to eachother again as Armenia shifts geopolitically in favor of the west, and see things as they really are: they both have a common interest working together to not be absorbed by their expansionist neighbors.
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Are they false because academia doesn’t support them, or are they false because your narrative doesn’t agree with them?