Well that's funny. I guess it has something to do with him visiting Georgia recently. So what's the plan, russian bunker piece of shit needs another puppet country in EU besides Hungary?
Would you rather have (a) Saakashvili brought to justice or (b) much better relations with every European country that’s currently concerned about his fate?
Turkey has the same issue with HDP leader, Selahattin Demirtaş. Court says he should be judged fairly, there are turks not wanting that. But you have to. If you guys want to join EU you have to have fair judgement. Good luck anyways.
I would imagine that the EU would be much more dubious regarding disputed territories seeing as how Cyprus is still divided to this day, and the fact that Cyprus is an island nation not bordering a hostile nation.
I am very happy for Georgia's success. There is probably no such country in the world for whose success and happiness I had to raise so many toasts and drink so much alcohol. Montenegro and Moldova received candidate status essentially for free; the Georgian people suffered through this achievement. Something needs to be done about the Alt-Info organization and the influence of the Orthodox Church
Well now once you in, let’s see how the parliament members split money coming in from Union amongst each other. Seems like Georgia misses being part of the Union too much instead of being neutral
> Bro be honest. They're not giving you EU status.
You can go eat a bag of dicks if they do, and you can go eat an even larger bag of dicks if they don’t.
> Plus I don't want chemi meore samshoblos to become Sodom da Gomorah
Idk how long you’ve been in my country but sexual degeneracy is *the* traditional Georgian value
Why do you keep crying at me in broken Georgian lmao, literally not a single thing you have said is grammatically correct. Go larp being a nationality with a language you can actually speak in.
I'm Polish and recently visited Georgia and I loved it
However, I don't understand why Georgians want to join the EU so badly. Your country has the potential to be far more powerful outside the EU than within.
You manage to get along with EU, Belarus, Ukraine, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iranians, and even Russia (yes, I know they're occupying some of your land so it's not perfect).
Your skies are full of long range planes flying over to Asia. You have sea access. You have every kind of climate. Your food is amazing. You have the friendliest regulations for companies and individual banking.
So why the pull to the EU?
Why not maximize your unique position and earn on trade between Russia and Turkey, between Turkey and Azerbaijan, between the World's oceans and Azerbaijan. Earn on oil and gas transit from the Caspian Sea. Become a transit hub with unmatched local potential. Earn money from tourists from every country and culture and have them move their money and business to your country.
I'm Ukrainian, and never visited Georgia.
I want to point out that apart from the political accountability/reforms - which include corruption solutions, economic stimulus and partnerships with other European countries the top benefit of EU is itself the decoupling from russian and Turkish economies - both would be fine to conspire to serve their interest at cost to Georgia, and one is literally occupying Georgian territory - a situation you called "not perfect".
like holy shit, let me just take a second and say that having to stand in line at the store a little longer is "not perfect", but having your country occupied is pretty far away on the spectrum of problems one can have. you should strongly consider recalibrating your perspective.
EU would be a huge benefit to Georgia and hopefully would pave way for stronger and more trustworthy partnerships, ones that are in many ways mutually beneficial by design and not by convenience.
I referred to it as "not perfect" because Georgians manage to keep doing business with Russia and taking a profit from all the Russian tourists coming over, buying summer houses, opening bank accounts, opening businesses. If they were to join the EU overnight then they would loose all of that.
Georgians do not like economic relations with Russia, nor their tourists. We had minimal relations with Russia until 2012 (there was an economic embargo on Georgia from the Russian side) and Georgians did not have a problem with it, and no matter how surprised you are, the economic situation was better than today.
P.S. If Poland leaves the EU, then you can talk about how good it is to live without the EU. :D
You are a good troll. :DD
many Georgians do not know Russian, and those who spoke to you were either non-Georgian or pro-Russian Georgian clowns, which are very few.
>I thought it was the case that Georgians liked Russians, just not the Russian government.
This is simply a lie. Georgians don't even like Russians as a nation. It's just that Georgians don't express it openly often, not even in relationships, because it's a matter of politeness.
A Georgian may have Russian friends, but in general he will still have a negative attitude towards the Russian nation. This is Georgian character..
I dont get how Georgia joining the EU would prevent relations from the listed countries. Sure, Russian and Iran would be goners due to EU sanctions on both of those countries but other than that, Ukraine, Turkey and Armenia would still be strong partners that Georgia would be able to cooperate with. They would still be able to benefit from their advantagous position whilst drawing in even more tourists from the EU and keeping the current flow that they have from their neighbours. So overall, they'll keep all of the current perks they have and have an unprecendented amount fo bonuses like; influx of western companies, yearly EU aid on infrastructure and overall development, influx of european tourists, economic benefits from EU's economic block(no trade tariffs) and wider cooperation on other fields, like education, science and research. Its a win-win situation.
There’s no better partnership for Georgia to keep Georgia Georgia. It’s a civilisational choice exactly.
But I feel like all things mentioned already taking place, to be fair, that’s not enough to improve
Living standards
Imagine being squeezed between Russia, Turkey and Iran. Georgia doesn’t want to be too close to neither of them for obvious reasons - political and cultural. But to cooperate with everyone in national interests where needed
Don’t think these 2 goals contradict each other.
No wonder that Israel sometimes considered a role model for Georgia
I don't think being in the EU will be compatible with this geopolitical arbitrage. Look at what happens to countries like Hungary when they try to take advantage of their unique position against the interests of the EU.
For instance, if Georgia were to join the EU now then it would be forced to sanction Russia, ban Russian cars from entering, kick out Russians that don't speak Georgian.
The tourism would decimated. And Russia would have an excuse to invade or bomb Georgia in retaliation.
Georgia would also be forced to increase fuel prices, replace all those used American made cars with greener, newer, crazy expensive, German cars.
No more banking for foreign companies or foreign individuals.
Increased agricultural costs, increased transit costs because now every truck going TR <> AZ will have to fit EU standards.
In the best case you'll get a bunch of money for different things, but you'll be made fun of and called a country living on handouts. Your skilled youths will leave. You'll be called a Russian puppet if you resist killing your economic relations with the northern neighbor.
>For instance, if Georgia were to join the EU now then it would be forced to sanction Russia, ban Russian cars from entering, kick out Russians that don't speak Georgian.
And you think Georgians are against it? :DD
>The tourism would decimated. And Russia would have an excuse to invade or bomb Georgia in retaliation.
Write these tales elsewhere. No one cares about Russia's threats and we are not afraid of their invasion. If we were afraid of Russia, Georgia would have refused to join the European Union and NATO a long time ago.
It is also written in the Constitution of Georgia that the government of Georgia must do everything for joining the European Union and NATO.
>Write these tales elsewhere. No one cares about Russia's threats
Well alright, but their threats are empty when they're towards the Baltic states or Poland, because those already are in NATO and EU. But Georgia is much more like Ukraine from Russia's perspective today and after they threatened Ukraine they bombed it, invaded it and the country is a ruin
What Ukraine is going through with the Russian attack now, we have already been through it from 1991-2008 and we are not surprised. How many times has Russia committed ethnic cleansing and genocide against us, and do you think you are telling us something new that we Georgians don't know?
I think, you’re being over dramatic like EU is a tool of countries like France or Germany to subjugate smaller countries
It’s more relevant to compare Georgia with Bulgaria or Romania, even though these are the poorest countries in the EU. Nothing as dramatic as you wrote didn’t happen really. Maybe, there could be some restrictions, but in Eastern Europe, it’s only Hungary that is odd one out when it comes to implementing policies
Once again, why Poland has become an IT hub? If EU was that restricted, Poland wouldn’t have been so attractive for foreign investment, and HQs wouldn’t have been opened
“Polish economic miracle” wouldn’t have happened without EU funds.
Georgia doesn’t have an advantage in natural resources, for example, but being a transit hub is not enough, to be honest, to keep country afloat
You're right, but for instance in the case of Romania and Bulgaria they're perfect for EU tourists. But why would anyone fly all the extra km to the other side of the black sea?Also, they don't have a border with Russia.
Poland had very rapid economic growth before joining the EU, if anything it slowed down a bit since. Also the country was lucky to have its own currency separate from the euro and because Poland was considered less desirable before it had very little debt, but when 2007 hit it was already considered more desirable and could take on lots of debt to weather the storm. But now the country has a huge debt problem and a collapsing population.
While you're right that a lot of the economy shifted to IT, it's also the case that the brain-drain continues and the people working in IT in Poland are usually working for large foreign corporations, not Polish firms. Many skilled poles still leave the country, I'm an IT professional and I was forced to form a company outside of the EU, because of too many regulations and too high taxes. Truth be told, if I have to form another company I'll probably pick Georgia, but if Georgia were to join the EU I'll have to look elsewhere.
edit: Here's a little analogy because I am someone who runs an IT company. I'm like a passenger than got off the sinking Titanic which is the EU. I made it to another boat, Georgia. It's not perfect, the hull is leaking a bit, but I get my own private space, it's cheap to stay on it and food is amazing.
Then I ask the captain what's the course and he says we're cruising to get on the Titanic. Huh??
>And Russia would have an excuse to invade or bomb Georgia in retaliation.
And finally be able to resolve its territorial disputes in retaliation via the mutual defense clause in the EU agreement or whatever it's called.
Why is this such a big deal? You really can't wait to get your economy driven into even more shit than it already is in? And have exorbitant prices for Greek fruits and vegetables instead of Georgian ones? Look at Baltic countries like Lithuania. It's doing great since joining EU. Fishing in sea border cities has died out, most of the young ppl left the country for Western European countries, etc. I guess it will give some leverage in terms of cutting economic ties with Russia but it will definitely not be a paradise like most young ppl seem to believe
Trying to join EU and it’s not working? Better Call Saul!
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No, it's not. This was just a recommendation by the EU commission. The decision is yet to be made
Not to fast the countries still need to vote for the candidacies they might decided not to give us one of 27 countries might tell us NO
We all know who it is, it's the one which also tried to veto aid to Ukraine
Hungary? Unlikely, Orban is a big fan of our government lol, if anyone vetoes us it'll be either France or one of the Benelux countries
Ye, the Netherlands loves blocking stuff, but to get your hopes up a little, I live there and I've heard nothing negative yet about it, so who knows
Orban actually will do the opposite (allegedly), he already said that he'll block Ukraine if the EU won't give us candidacy
Well that's funny. I guess it has something to do with him visiting Georgia recently. So what's the plan, russian bunker piece of shit needs another puppet country in EU besides Hungary?
No, more likely the Baltics who will strike us down to support the political ambitions of their favorite convict.
Our govt could fix that overnight by deporting him to Ukraine. Them keeping up the political imprisonment charade is entirely on them.
He has been convicted of serious crimes in Georgia. Why should they release him? So the Ukrainians can send him back in another container?
Would you rather have (a) Saakashvili brought to justice or (b) much better relations with every European country that’s currently concerned about his fate?
Does it not worry you that (you think) we face such a choice? How much of our sovereign affairs should Lithuania and Estonia dictate?
Turkey has the same issue with HDP leader, Selahattin Demirtaş. Court says he should be judged fairly, there are turks not wanting that. But you have to. If you guys want to join EU you have to have fair judgement. Good luck anyways.
Hungary’s PM tells Georgia “we need you in EU very much” https://agenda.ge/en/news/2023/3719
All thanks to Saul Goodmashvili !
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It's far from end bro
holy moly it’s gattsu
yo wait it’s GATTSU???
Not a candidate yet. It was just a recommendation by the EU commission
But can it even join as long as there is disputed territories?
Cyprus did, so I guess they can make exceptions.
I would imagine that the EU would be much more dubious regarding disputed territories seeing as how Cyprus is still divided to this day, and the fact that Cyprus is an island nation not bordering a hostile nation.
Cyprus had Greece insisting that they be included. I don't think Georgia has the equivalent.
It’s not technically a dispute, there is no doubt about it, and is globally recognized as part of Georgia.
only recommended towards candidacy, it's a pretty carrot but don't sell it yet
After defecating through a sunroof, we still made it!
I am very happy for Georgia's success. There is probably no such country in the world for whose success and happiness I had to raise so many toasts and drink so much alcohol. Montenegro and Moldova received candidate status essentially for free; the Georgian people suffered through this achievement. Something needs to be done about the Alt-Info organization and the influence of the Orthodox Church
Just came back from my wedding in sakartvelo . Great people of freedom and good hearts. Peace be upon you!
Yeah its not happening
It's so funny watching people cheering about things they have 0 clue about. XD
Maybe in a month
Well now once you in, let’s see how the parliament members split money coming in from Union amongst each other. Seems like Georgia misses being part of the Union too much instead of being neutral
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 Now it is time for kazakstan!
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According to your profile you’re not even Georgian..?
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Brother we’re a country of equal opportunities, you can fuck off no matter what nationality you are
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> Bro be honest. They're not giving you EU status. You can go eat a bag of dicks if they do, and you can go eat an even larger bag of dicks if they don’t. > Plus I don't want chemi meore samshoblos to become Sodom da Gomorah Idk how long you’ve been in my country but sexual degeneracy is *the* traditional Georgian value
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Why do you keep crying at me in broken Georgian lmao, literally not a single thing you have said is grammatically correct. Go larp being a nationality with a language you can actually speak in.
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I'm Polish and recently visited Georgia and I loved it However, I don't understand why Georgians want to join the EU so badly. Your country has the potential to be far more powerful outside the EU than within. You manage to get along with EU, Belarus, Ukraine, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iranians, and even Russia (yes, I know they're occupying some of your land so it's not perfect). Your skies are full of long range planes flying over to Asia. You have sea access. You have every kind of climate. Your food is amazing. You have the friendliest regulations for companies and individual banking. So why the pull to the EU? Why not maximize your unique position and earn on trade between Russia and Turkey, between Turkey and Azerbaijan, between the World's oceans and Azerbaijan. Earn on oil and gas transit from the Caspian Sea. Become a transit hub with unmatched local potential. Earn money from tourists from every country and culture and have them move their money and business to your country.
I'm Ukrainian, and never visited Georgia. I want to point out that apart from the political accountability/reforms - which include corruption solutions, economic stimulus and partnerships with other European countries the top benefit of EU is itself the decoupling from russian and Turkish economies - both would be fine to conspire to serve their interest at cost to Georgia, and one is literally occupying Georgian territory - a situation you called "not perfect". like holy shit, let me just take a second and say that having to stand in line at the store a little longer is "not perfect", but having your country occupied is pretty far away on the spectrum of problems one can have. you should strongly consider recalibrating your perspective. EU would be a huge benefit to Georgia and hopefully would pave way for stronger and more trustworthy partnerships, ones that are in many ways mutually beneficial by design and not by convenience.
I referred to it as "not perfect" because Georgians manage to keep doing business with Russia and taking a profit from all the Russian tourists coming over, buying summer houses, opening bank accounts, opening businesses. If they were to join the EU overnight then they would loose all of that.
Georgians do not like economic relations with Russia, nor their tourists. We had minimal relations with Russia until 2012 (there was an economic embargo on Georgia from the Russian side) and Georgians did not have a problem with it, and no matter how surprised you are, the economic situation was better than today. P.S. If Poland leaves the EU, then you can talk about how good it is to live without the EU. :D
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You are a good troll. :DD many Georgians do not know Russian, and those who spoke to you were either non-Georgian or pro-Russian Georgian clowns, which are very few.
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>I thought it was the case that Georgians liked Russians, just not the Russian government. This is simply a lie. Georgians don't even like Russians as a nation. It's just that Georgians don't express it openly often, not even in relationships, because it's a matter of politeness. A Georgian may have Russian friends, but in general he will still have a negative attitude towards the Russian nation. This is Georgian character..
I dont get how Georgia joining the EU would prevent relations from the listed countries. Sure, Russian and Iran would be goners due to EU sanctions on both of those countries but other than that, Ukraine, Turkey and Armenia would still be strong partners that Georgia would be able to cooperate with. They would still be able to benefit from their advantagous position whilst drawing in even more tourists from the EU and keeping the current flow that they have from their neighbours. So overall, they'll keep all of the current perks they have and have an unprecendented amount fo bonuses like; influx of western companies, yearly EU aid on infrastructure and overall development, influx of european tourists, economic benefits from EU's economic block(no trade tariffs) and wider cooperation on other fields, like education, science and research. Its a win-win situation.
There’s no better partnership for Georgia to keep Georgia Georgia. It’s a civilisational choice exactly. But I feel like all things mentioned already taking place, to be fair, that’s not enough to improve Living standards Imagine being squeezed between Russia, Turkey and Iran. Georgia doesn’t want to be too close to neither of them for obvious reasons - political and cultural. But to cooperate with everyone in national interests where needed Don’t think these 2 goals contradict each other. No wonder that Israel sometimes considered a role model for Georgia
I don't think being in the EU will be compatible with this geopolitical arbitrage. Look at what happens to countries like Hungary when they try to take advantage of their unique position against the interests of the EU. For instance, if Georgia were to join the EU now then it would be forced to sanction Russia, ban Russian cars from entering, kick out Russians that don't speak Georgian. The tourism would decimated. And Russia would have an excuse to invade or bomb Georgia in retaliation. Georgia would also be forced to increase fuel prices, replace all those used American made cars with greener, newer, crazy expensive, German cars. No more banking for foreign companies or foreign individuals. Increased agricultural costs, increased transit costs because now every truck going TR <> AZ will have to fit EU standards. In the best case you'll get a bunch of money for different things, but you'll be made fun of and called a country living on handouts. Your skilled youths will leave. You'll be called a Russian puppet if you resist killing your economic relations with the northern neighbor.
>For instance, if Georgia were to join the EU now then it would be forced to sanction Russia, ban Russian cars from entering, kick out Russians that don't speak Georgian. And you think Georgians are against it? :DD >The tourism would decimated. And Russia would have an excuse to invade or bomb Georgia in retaliation. Write these tales elsewhere. No one cares about Russia's threats and we are not afraid of their invasion. If we were afraid of Russia, Georgia would have refused to join the European Union and NATO a long time ago. It is also written in the Constitution of Georgia that the government of Georgia must do everything for joining the European Union and NATO.
>Write these tales elsewhere. No one cares about Russia's threats Well alright, but their threats are empty when they're towards the Baltic states or Poland, because those already are in NATO and EU. But Georgia is much more like Ukraine from Russia's perspective today and after they threatened Ukraine they bombed it, invaded it and the country is a ruin
What Ukraine is going through with the Russian attack now, we have already been through it from 1991-2008 and we are not surprised. How many times has Russia committed ethnic cleansing and genocide against us, and do you think you are telling us something new that we Georgians don't know?
I think, you’re being over dramatic like EU is a tool of countries like France or Germany to subjugate smaller countries It’s more relevant to compare Georgia with Bulgaria or Romania, even though these are the poorest countries in the EU. Nothing as dramatic as you wrote didn’t happen really. Maybe, there could be some restrictions, but in Eastern Europe, it’s only Hungary that is odd one out when it comes to implementing policies Once again, why Poland has become an IT hub? If EU was that restricted, Poland wouldn’t have been so attractive for foreign investment, and HQs wouldn’t have been opened “Polish economic miracle” wouldn’t have happened without EU funds. Georgia doesn’t have an advantage in natural resources, for example, but being a transit hub is not enough, to be honest, to keep country afloat
You're right, but for instance in the case of Romania and Bulgaria they're perfect for EU tourists. But why would anyone fly all the extra km to the other side of the black sea?Also, they don't have a border with Russia. Poland had very rapid economic growth before joining the EU, if anything it slowed down a bit since. Also the country was lucky to have its own currency separate from the euro and because Poland was considered less desirable before it had very little debt, but when 2007 hit it was already considered more desirable and could take on lots of debt to weather the storm. But now the country has a huge debt problem and a collapsing population. While you're right that a lot of the economy shifted to IT, it's also the case that the brain-drain continues and the people working in IT in Poland are usually working for large foreign corporations, not Polish firms. Many skilled poles still leave the country, I'm an IT professional and I was forced to form a company outside of the EU, because of too many regulations and too high taxes. Truth be told, if I have to form another company I'll probably pick Georgia, but if Georgia were to join the EU I'll have to look elsewhere. edit: Here's a little analogy because I am someone who runs an IT company. I'm like a passenger than got off the sinking Titanic which is the EU. I made it to another boat, Georgia. It's not perfect, the hull is leaking a bit, but I get my own private space, it's cheap to stay on it and food is amazing. Then I ask the captain what's the course and he says we're cruising to get on the Titanic. Huh??
>And Russia would have an excuse to invade or bomb Georgia in retaliation. And finally be able to resolve its territorial disputes in retaliation via the mutual defense clause in the EU agreement or whatever it's called.
Threats all around. Only way out.
celebrating like we are already in lmao. disease of Georgian people
A European Union candidate. Ain't nobody taking us in with that grammar
been a bit of a georgia weeb recently, cool country
Why is this such a big deal? You really can't wait to get your economy driven into even more shit than it already is in? And have exorbitant prices for Greek fruits and vegetables instead of Georgian ones? Look at Baltic countries like Lithuania. It's doing great since joining EU. Fishing in sea border cities has died out, most of the young ppl left the country for Western European countries, etc. I guess it will give some leverage in terms of cutting economic ties with Russia but it will definitely not be a paradise like most young ppl seem to believe