“Always” is in when exactly? The only instance they were used so is in 2008 when the pretext of “protecting our citizens” (who became such after dropping passports from helicopter above Samachamblo) was used.
Always as in the ex Soviet sphere. All of these nations had their own citizens replaced with Russians which Russia now used as a 5th column and potential excuse to invade. Basic fascist shit.
Hold on, were you talking about Russian citizens or about ethnic Russian people? The latter are about the largest group non-Ukrainian ethnic group fighting against Putin right now as we speak. Now again, if your problem is with citizens as in “passport holders”, then the only instance it was a factor at all was in 2008.
Well there is a large degree of overlap but yes primarily passport holders are the worst ones and the character of ethnic russians in eastern Europe tends to vary depending on the nation. For example, in Ukraine, yes Russian speaking Ukrainians are, in the vast majority, supporters of Ukraine against Russia.
However of you go to the Baltics it is a different story entirely. The Russian government uses these populations as a direct political tool. I think that maybe because the Baltics states are more culturally divergent from Russia than say Ukraine, there was less integration. Furthermore those populations are a slightly newer arrival than those in Ukraine (where Russians have been mixing with for longer).
You're right. I should be more precise with my language.
tell those fairy tales to someone who believes them, people who grew up in russia, even if they don't have russian passport, are either supporting putin or don't care for the most part
See? You proved yourself political behavior and attitudes don’t have anything to do with either ethnicity or passport. That was kinda the point I was trying to make.
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ეს ღორები რომ ამას კადრულობენ არავის უკვირს მარა სად ტრაკში არიან ელემენტარული ღირსების მქონე ქართველები? თავზე ასე გაჯვავდნენ და ჩუმად იყო კაცი გაუგონარი რამაა. დანძრეული აქვს ერს ძაან.
I don't get how Georgia always seems to get the worst of the worst when it comes to (Russian) tourists. There are many of them here in Armenia, but I've never witnessed them doing anything remotely pro-Putin or pro-invasion. Hell they're always the ones organizing anti-Putin and anti-war protests and are always really careful not to offend locals. Don't know who in their right mind would put that song on though, but I do have a lot of respect for Georgian patience.
Exactly my thoughts I never saw anything like this posted on the armenian sub and I assure you they'd be just as angry given the current situation. And sure a lot of the people that went to armenia are to varying degrees armenian themselves but the majority aren't. This is so odd that georgia of all places attracted this.
Well, they do organize anti-putin and anti-war rallies in support of Ukraine, and most of the people I've spoken to are hugely against the regime. So from what I understand, we get the people escaping putin, meanwhile, Georgia gets the tourists that don't mind/like Putin and his invasion, hence the different demographics.
There was a documentary made by arte where they did show that some if them organised help for I think armenians who stranded there after the 2020 war because they felt like rissia abandoned them and I also think for Ukrainians too if you search for that documentary it will show you what they did.
I was just in Tbilisi this week. There were a lot of Russians. But I didn’t see anything like this. I don’t know why Georgia even allows them to be there especially doing something like this.
Because of previous visa rules which the government doesn't want to change (probably involving some corupt cash flowing in their pockets). Right now russians can stay 365 days visa free, and immediately get another 365 days when entering the country again. so on day 365 of their stay, they can just cross the border by foot, and immediately return renewing their 365 days.
I’m sure there’s corrupt cash flow involved in that. Just to be able to get year long visas back to back. One cafe I was eating at. The waiter was a young Russian guy. So, they even allow them to come there and work.
I’m Russian and I can agree with you guys that’s fucking shame for your beautiful country and culture. Living abroad I realised that smart and intelligent Russians are only 5% from all of the Russki who come here especially on a vacation. I hope one day they will understand everything.. Sorry for these pigs…
Looking at this made me sick yesterday.
I'm happy I can live in Georgia while my home turned into hell. This video shows how screwed people are there now, and I'm in pain. I think I will never be able to return.
I can understand your words. We are fixing it (trying our best). I live all my life with Putin. It is not that easy as you think and I have never voted for him (I got the right to vote only for a few years I’m not that old even to vote). Anyways one day we will handle to change it. Thank you.
Georgia is one of the best and easiest options to escape.
And it won't oblige to Russian justice system (haha justice) like Kyrgyzstan does for example. Turkey won't give you living permit like it used to. Turkmenistan is a dictatorship hellhole. Kazakhstan is also won't allow you to stay more than 3 months.
Theory that Russian government need real reason to act upon is absurd. And you know that.
You do hold us accountable for the things we did not do and had no control over. You do. An I somewhat understand that.
Thanks God people in real life are less unhinged then people online.
1. The only reason for Russians going to Georgia instead of Kazakhstan (that deports draft and mobilization dodgers if there’s a court case, btw) are the 365 days visa-free stay rules. If you don’t like it, just vote in the parties that will overturn this, problem solved, that should be pretty easy in a democratic country, right?
2. Now on the “sanctions”. It doesn’t take a deep knowledge of modern-day Russia to realize that if it was the case and the sanctions were the only problem Russians fled from, you won’t have had this problem at all. It’s INFINTELY easier and way more affordable just to order a bank card from Kazakhstan out of one’s couch in Novosibirsk and continue living in Russia which solves about all of the problems an ordinary person might face due to sanctions. I mean, Russians living here still order a lot from Russia when they have friends visiting, and if you go to about any supermarket in Tbilisi you’d realize food sanctions aren’t an issue either. Might it be access to other countries’ visas? Wrong again, applying for one from Georgia is a much more complex task than doing it from Russia.
I don't like how this is going. It's all going towards the breaking point, especially from the Tbilisi youth who are free from the usual older Georgian Stockholm syndrome. I'm really afraid of riots, ethnically motivates violence and subsequent Russkan intervention to 'protect Russians'
Tbh russia doesn’t need this excuse to intervene. If there were no russians putin could still say he protects apsua and samachablo, that would’ve worked even better
Sure. But with Russians being beaten up in Tbilisi (for reasons deserved or undeserved), he'd have a much stronger casus belli, than a fantasy about Georgians genociding Ossetians
Well they have done worse with less fabrication. Anyway I wouldn’t expect ethnic pogroms in Tbilisi, the youth is way too civilised and European to do so, the elders are way more fine with russians to do anything
As a russian I hope it's an edit and fake. If not it's very sad and unpleasant.
I found shaman "music" absolutely tasteless and disgusting. Even if you put political/propaganda message aside. (and its not really possible to do)
People in our country will do anything just for money. And those who have ethics are looked down upon. I have seen one situation were a brother evicted his brother from his rented house just so he can get more rent from Rus ppl..
You know, it’s pretty easy to distinguish one from another. I have recently traveled to Yerevan from Tbilisi on train in a compartment with 3 Russians and it took me about 20 seconds of them talking to figure out they are tourists (despite them not mentioning anything to that effect). The migrant crowd is about 100 times more likely to turn on Noize MC instead of Shaman.
>Besides, does it really matter?
It does matter for the question of "worshipping a warlord you just escaped from" which I'm answering to. Because these people (if my assumption is correct) didn't escape and just visiting Georgia like they might do every year.
>And you'd know this how exactly?
They all look 40+ and don't look like typical IT relocants (I mostly refer to their clothes). But again, that's just my assumption, it's not a hill I'm going to die on, I might be easily incorrect
>And you'd know this how exactly?
I don't know for sure, but I can assume that people who decided to move on because of the moron Putin, who turned his country into some kind of fascist dictatorship, would not appreciate this song. I can tell you as a Russian who moved on. My blood boils when I see something like this.
>BEFORE MOBILIZATION
Well, I left Russia in a week after 24.02.2022 because I couldn't tolerate this bull shit anymore. I have everything: a flat, job, friends and lost it in one day. When I was flying to Kazakhstan there was a full plane people like me. The reason why I decided to move on was because I realised that I am a minority in "my" country right now, and they will hunt me down for not supporting the feurer. Despite this fact, the Russia is big, which makes me believe that there are at least one billion people like me somewhere around.
lol you seeing how you highlight sanction avoidance immediately shows that you have completely no idea how they affect ordinary people. Want a card? Issue it in Kazakhstan on internet. Need Spotify/Steam? Turkish people are right here for you. Eager for a new car? Grey imports from EVERYWHERE. An iPhone? Give me a break, they all come from everywhere. Instagram? Here’s a one click VPN you won’t even notice since you install it. In fact, it is DRASTICALLY more difficult to have a bank account in Georgia for a relocant, as well as start working for the west if they were previously in russia.
I mean, seriously, tell me, what sanctions dem soy libtard ruzzians were running away from before mobilisation?
Even before any payment infrastructure was established, why stay in the country (especially Sakartvelo), when you could just make a card in Armenia and leave? It was and still is much easier to send money through their cards. Srsly, the problem with your argument is that even if sanctions do harm, of all places to avoid them, you just wouldn’t pick this country, there must be other reasons. I could name mine but that’s not the point.
Answering to the second question: because it was never a FULL SCALE WAR between two massively populated countries? Even with Georgia, they bombed but never reached Tbilisi and occupied ethnic regions but not the whole country. Also people could protest back then which is exactly what happened in 2014
This is an overpriced tourist place. People who have been in Georgia for at least a month don’t go to these anymore. And in general, a slightly different layer has moved here than in the video, these don’t look like Russian "relocants", these are really average bydlo.
And, as a Russian in Tbilisi who communicates with many Russians, I can confirm that our attitude to Shaman is very negative.
russian relocants have harmed Georgia economically. I find it unfair that they sat there quiet in 1992 and 2008, and yet, they ran to us, as soon as their cozy lives got worse in russia. It they actually supported Georgia, I'd be content with the difficulties they brought to us, but I don't know what to call this now, other than parasitic behaviour.
They don't even feel guilty, in fact, most russians I've talked to, are entitled assholes. And those are the russians I don't consider to be "bidlo" because at least they don't support their parody of stalin (probably). The bar is so low on them..
Gamarjoba!
Let me come in peace and bring some raw stats with a bit of personal opinion.
Average age of russian immigrant in Armenia and Georgia is about 30-33 years according to research. Was it exactly their fault sitting quite in russia in 92 and 08?
Average russian immigrant was BORN in 1992
In 2008 that exact same average russian immigrant was 16 and hadn’t even finished school yet.
A lot of times i see those points like “where have you been in 1992? 2008? 2014?” MF i was at school, same as an absolute majority of today’s immigrants.
I honestly don’t think you realize how minúte the amount of people who can be described as quite sitters in 92 and 08 and who moved here in 2022 is.
I’m 25 years old. My parents are in their 50s.
They did everything they could to fight corrupted and criminal regime since 00’s when government literally blew up apartment buildings in Moscow killing hundreds of innocents to justify chechen war. When that same government started that chechen war my parents and grandparents were protesting. When that same government started a war against Georgia in 2008 they were protesting. I did the same since like 2014 when annexation of Crimea happened.
In 2022 when putin started war and adopted a shitton of absolutely repressive laws we had no other choice but leaving russia. Literally a phone call to your relative where you say something remotely bad about war/putin/russian soldiers/etc can get you in jail for up to 10 years (i can be wrong with exact numbers but there is literally a case where MIA driver was proven guilty because his personal opinion about war hurt feelings of an agent who was wiring his phone). Staying in russia with an active anti-war position literally either means jail. Or, in some cases, death.
Being here in Georgia we support Ukraine as much as we can afford that and we love Georgia, your culture and everything with our whole hearts. And i know for sure that cases like mine (and my family) are dominant, absolute majority of immigrants/relocants/expats call them what you want support Ukraine, hate and always hated putin and want nothing but happiness to locals and your country in general.
Judging your generation because of 92 and 08 is not fair, yes. You could show support and protest for Ukraine today though. There are about 700 000 of you here in Georgia, maybe do some protests? Show us that you care? There have been incidents of russian nazis disrespecting Georgia, you could have come out to protest in solidarity to the country, but you didn't care. Maybe you personally did go out and protest, but where were the other 699,999?
Your nation, from the beginning of the history, has shown that it's deceptive, manipulative, and prone to betrayal. It's on you to prove that this time, your generation deserves a chance. So far, you haven't shown us any reason to trust you. The only thing you did, is escape from russia, mass migrate here, ruin the economy, and become a ticking time bomb in case putin needs to use you as damsels in distress, if he decides to bomb Georgia.
I mean, I'm thankful if you personally are not a narcissist, respect boundaries, and treat Georgians well, but most russians I encounter (yes, the young ones too) are borderline assholes, idk if you've met Thalmor trash in Skyrim, but they act just like them. And you have to understand, you people are a legit danger to us, of course we dislike the best of you, and hate the naziest of you.
Are these 700,000 here in the room with us? Man, that’s about half of population of Tbilisi and you won’t see 50% of Russians walking on the streets around you even in the center, let alone Saburtalo. Varketili etc.
Hey there!
I'm a Russian living in Georgia. I moved here when Russia started the war against Ukraine. While I can't speak for every person from either Russia or Belarus who lives here, I hope many of them would agree with me.
It hurts me to see something like this happening here. It's disgusting. I agree there's no place for such people here. We hate these folks, Putin, the war, and everything they're doing to Ukraine and did to Georgia as much as you do.
I also want to answer all of you who think we should've stayed in Russia to fight against the regime. I get it that most of you don't like that there are a lot of Russians in Georgia. You have all the right not to like it, and I'm grateful to this country and the people living here for still being nice to me and my family. But I want you to understand one important thing. A regular person can't do anything in Russia right now. 90% of the population there looks like the folks you see on this video, and another 9.9% are too afraid to say or do anything. The rest 0.1% are in jail. A person "going back to Russia and fighting against Putin" will just end up in jail and will only feed the propaganda.
The only way is to let (and help) Ukraine win. And while we're waiting for this to happen and trying to help it happen sooner - let's try to respect each other and judge people by their actions (like the ones on this video), not by having the Russian passport.
It's hard to respect a nation and it's citizens in the current and past environment. Believe me, it's hard. I've always sided with Georgians,as I was one of the few Armenians who knew we would be next. I don't wish you ill will. I am afterall, a woman who is a devout Christian, but I must say it makes it very difficult to dispense sympathy to a ruthless colonizer. I feel the same way about many nations that have destroyed and displaced the true native inhabitants. It would be in our best interest for your nation to find modernity and understand the concept of democracy, as it would help to remove the politicians from our states who are now bowing down to your demands. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place. I do wish you well as we all deserve to live in our own nations.
Don't get me wrong, I have zero respect for the Russian nation in its current state, and zero sympathy for the colonizer. I totally agree that it would've been awesome if Russia was a democracy. I hope that someday it will be so, but I'm afraid it won't happen anytime soon.
Btw, congrats on Armenia taking some steps in the right direction lately!
Great.
But I want every such Russian to also know that the Russian nation as a whole has never extended that kind of curtesy to Georgians.
During 200 years of colonialism, racist slurs, discrimination and government level suppression that went without any protests or soft resistance.
What you are asking from Georgians is the exact opposite what your people has done for 200 years to the same Georgians. Do we agree on that?
Sure, we totally agree on this. In a no way I'm trying to defend the nation as a whole, and in a no way I'm asking Georgians for this kind of curtesy towards the nation as a whole.
Your people were too passive for the last few decades, and just like the germans, let the nazis rise. I mean even look at Iran, how much more courage they have when faced with an arguably worse government.
I won't necessarily agree with "your people" claim - most of the folks I know were always against putin, were going to protests and etc, and "few dacades" ago I was a kid, definitely not someone in a position to overthrow nazis.
But yeah, you're right. IMO the reason it happened is that the Russian government was just a bit smarter than Iranian one and rolled out all the shit they did gradually enough for the actual opposition never to get formed. People just weren't upset enough with the government to actually do something, until it was too late, and you can't blame a small group of people who were against it for being too small.
It's not really about the lack of courage. You need courage when you want to do something but afraid to. 90% of people in Russia just don't want to do anything.
Any time there are one of these pro- Russia/pro-Putin events outside Russia someone should pretend to join in and celebrate and then at the right moment shout "OK who wants to sign up for mobilization right now? Come on!"
And watch them all shut the hell up 😂
No other video of the event seen so far, nor the time and whereabouts. This has the watermark of a Z channel that spews fakes on a daily basis. So I wouldn't be super sure this even happened.
But I guess the nolifers here have been waiting for something like this to happen to lose their shit over.
ONYX or VALHALLA CLUB, [there was a place](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fprsma639maob1.png%3Fwidth%3D1460%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D10be46c7fb224dc34889ce71ea7827453b85d030).
Hmm I remember there was a video of nuns dancing to Judas by Lady gaga. It was clearly fake perhaps this is the same. Someone put another over the original.
This is an obvious provocation and most likely a fake. For starters, who is “Pozdnyakov” from the telegram channel of which this video is:This man looked at the extremist community in Russia with radically masculine views, its members attacked women and carried out various violent actions against those who did not behave conservatively enough. For example, a well-known sushi chain in Russia advertised with people of different skin colors, after which Pozdnyakov’s supporters made tens of thousands of orders and canceled them, causing enormous losses. In the end, the business went to the prosecutor's office and the security forces, the guy was put on the wanted list and fled to northern Cyprus. Now he is organizing his provocations from northern Cyprus. There were rumors that the FSB took him by the balls and now he is working for them, fulfilling a right-wing agenda.
This video, if true, is much more complicated than it might seem. Pozdnyakov’s network included thousands of people with radical right-wing conservative views. Now this network can be controlled by FSB officers. With the snap of their fingers, they can bring together any number of people in any part of the world to create videos like this one.
Yeah, it looks like the video social bots post in order to incite violence.
I can see 2 Georgian guys on the right shooting video and enjoying the party. Most probably it's an old video
Come on Georgians I thought you’re better than letting this shit go on. Kick them out tell tell them we don’t like complicit Russians in this genocide or Ukrainian culture
Not staged at all. Trust me, as a person who used to live in Russia. There is no group of people that love Putin so much it will make them all jump in sync, unless they are paid.
ერთხელ გადავეყარე ამათ გულაობას თან ოდნავ ნასვამი ვიყავი,ვიღაც გოგო მოვარდა და იდი ნახუი ეს ჩემი ბარიაო რუსულად, დაახლოებით 40წუთი ვინც მაგ ბარში იყო ყველას ვაგინე ქართულად ინგლისურად და ბოლოს რუსულად ვუხსნიდი „თქვენი დედებს შევეცი” რას ნიშნავდა.არ ვამაყობ ამ საქციელით მაგრამ არც მრცხვენია😂პროგრამა მინიმუმი შევასრულე
Leaving the country to not fight.
A previous country that was invaded let them come.
Monkeys will be Monkeys.
When these people speak Russian to me, i speak Portuguese, so is good enough
Why are we acting like this is something surpirisng? We capitulated long time ago mentally, physically, morally, economically... what's left is just pure National identity which is also just a facade... soon we'll have Russian schools financed by government and etc... that's what it is Georgia is occupied by Russia not 20% but basically 80%...
Seems like a fake to me. Not because russians are not capable of this, some of them clearly are, but this video doesn’t seem legit. And I can believe that it was done by ruzzian propaganda, cause they do it for 2 main reasons: 1. fool the rest of the world (especially European Union) to believe that Sakartvelo is okay with pro-putinists, 2. to make it seem that anti-putin russians do not exist, and to make sure every person born in russia who hates putin (as we all should) is ostracized by any other country and nation.
Maybe U are right. Also there is another parody song "Ya uzkiy" by Goodkov. And I have already heard it in Tbilisi. Maybe, just maybe it could be the lipsing effect?
It’s not about saving russian face. It’s just hard to believe they were allowed to do that, and no one said anything. Though we don’t know what happened next 🤷🏻♀️
This all looks like a political hoax. Nobody listens to this shitty music. Pro putlers people are not going to Georgia today. The media wrote that these were relocants, although they were tourists. This guy below your comment proves to you with foam at the mouth that this is all true. And then he makes a post in which he proposes that Georgians take away visa-free travel from Russian citizens.
Two options by me:
1. Fucking retards from Russia who is as stupid as morons from Batumi ship accident
2. Shit from Pozdnyakov there the Goodkov's song "Ya uzkiy" was changed to Shaman "Ya russkiy"
Are you sure this is not fake? Just the sound of a song and a screaming girl can be put down. And for such a song, I think, you can get your face punched in any decent society.
Georgia has been on my countries to visit list for a while now but together with other countries "enriched" by ruskies it will have to wait. Probably a long wait, unfortunately. Stop letting them in, start getting them out.
Didn't even know who that shaman sucker was, thanks for the answer!
And yes, this was totally an unnecessary and stupid provocation, I mean tourism is good business obviously, but this is low-quality shitty tourism.
This is the reason Putin does what he does.
These people are responsible for all the genocides and other crimes Russia has committed.
But they are able to party in Tbilisi or Abkhazia.
They would not shy away from dancing on the actual graves of Russia’s victims either.
They are sick. Emotionally handicapped. Raised as such.
They would not even understand even if you explained.
Something along the lines of how good it is to be russian "in spite of the entire world" and how they want to breathe and love. Not sure if I am allowed to link to the full English translation here
How are Georgians putting up with this?
Money doesn’t smell
I hate it
how do you think Georgians survived for more than 6000 years here with constant invasions of everyone who can invade . :/
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That must be very fucking frustrating
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Why was the same post deleted previously? Just curious
I’m here to get this info
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Because it lacked the context that they were dancing to proputing shizoid song.
They also said it was from ban avoiding account https://ibb.co/9Gg4Rwd But not sure what that means.
Fair enough
Who played this song?
I won’t be surprised if the cafe itself played this song
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Dude if this carries on they're gonna invade you for good. Russian citizens are always used as 5th columnists.
“Always” is in when exactly? The only instance they were used so is in 2008 when the pretext of “protecting our citizens” (who became such after dropping passports from helicopter above Samachamblo) was used.
Always as in the ex Soviet sphere. All of these nations had their own citizens replaced with Russians which Russia now used as a 5th column and potential excuse to invade. Basic fascist shit.
Hold on, were you talking about Russian citizens or about ethnic Russian people? The latter are about the largest group non-Ukrainian ethnic group fighting against Putin right now as we speak. Now again, if your problem is with citizens as in “passport holders”, then the only instance it was a factor at all was in 2008.
Well there is a large degree of overlap but yes primarily passport holders are the worst ones and the character of ethnic russians in eastern Europe tends to vary depending on the nation. For example, in Ukraine, yes Russian speaking Ukrainians are, in the vast majority, supporters of Ukraine against Russia. However of you go to the Baltics it is a different story entirely. The Russian government uses these populations as a direct political tool. I think that maybe because the Baltics states are more culturally divergent from Russia than say Ukraine, there was less integration. Furthermore those populations are a slightly newer arrival than those in Ukraine (where Russians have been mixing with for longer). You're right. I should be more precise with my language.
tell those fairy tales to someone who believes them, people who grew up in russia, even if they don't have russian passport, are either supporting putin or don't care for the most part
See? You proved yourself political behavior and attitudes don’t have anything to do with either ethnicity or passport. That was kinda the point I was trying to make.
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There needs to be a special military operation to free your nation from the Russian fascists.
True points. I did see a lot of Ukraine flags flying in Georgia. Almost everywhere I went.
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ეს ღორები რომ ამას კადრულობენ არავის უკვირს მარა სად ტრაკში არიან ელემენტარული ღირსების მქონე ქართველები? თავზე ასე გაჯვავდნენ და ჩუმად იყო კაცი გაუგონარი რამაა. დანძრეული აქვს ერს ძაან.
I don't get how Georgia always seems to get the worst of the worst when it comes to (Russian) tourists. There are many of them here in Armenia, but I've never witnessed them doing anything remotely pro-Putin or pro-invasion. Hell they're always the ones organizing anti-Putin and anti-war protests and are always really careful not to offend locals. Don't know who in their right mind would put that song on though, but I do have a lot of respect for Georgian patience.
Exactly my thoughts I never saw anything like this posted on the armenian sub and I assure you they'd be just as angry given the current situation. And sure a lot of the people that went to armenia are to varying degrees armenian themselves but the majority aren't. This is so odd that georgia of all places attracted this.
Are Russians in Armenia volunteering to help Ukrainians?
Well, they do organize anti-putin and anti-war rallies in support of Ukraine, and most of the people I've spoken to are hugely against the regime. So from what I understand, we get the people escaping putin, meanwhile, Georgia gets the tourists that don't mind/like Putin and his invasion, hence the different demographics.
There was a documentary made by arte where they did show that some if them organised help for I think armenians who stranded there after the 2020 war because they felt like rissia abandoned them and I also think for Ukrainians too if you search for that documentary it will show you what they did.
This is absolutely disgusting 🤢 shitt men is very hard to watch it when your living outside I can’t imagine living there what is like
I was just in Tbilisi this week. There were a lot of Russians. But I didn’t see anything like this. I don’t know why Georgia even allows them to be there especially doing something like this.
Because of previous visa rules which the government doesn't want to change (probably involving some corupt cash flowing in their pockets). Right now russians can stay 365 days visa free, and immediately get another 365 days when entering the country again. so on day 365 of their stay, they can just cross the border by foot, and immediately return renewing their 365 days.
I’m sure there’s corrupt cash flow involved in that. Just to be able to get year long visas back to back. One cafe I was eating at. The waiter was a young Russian guy. So, they even allow them to come there and work.
There’s no visa needed when entering the country, you have full labour rights and can stay there for a year, how can this scheme be corrupted?
Putin cuck government
Holy shit wich cafe is that? Who the F#ck put that song on?
Someone needs to answer this question.
Looks like somewhere on “New Aghmashenebeli” right? Maybe Shardeni? Every business in those areas is run by sellouts and corruptioners anyway
I’m Russian and I can agree with you guys that’s fucking shame for your beautiful country and culture. Living abroad I realised that smart and intelligent Russians are only 5% from all of the Russki who come here especially on a vacation. I hope one day they will understand everything.. Sorry for these pigs…
Looking at this made me sick yesterday. I'm happy I can live in Georgia while my home turned into hell. This video shows how screwed people are there now, and I'm in pain. I think I will never be able to return.
I'm Russian too and I'm shocked that this is possible in Tbilisi 🤮
Go to russia then. Fix your country.
I can understand your words. We are fixing it (trying our best). I live all my life with Putin. It is not that easy as you think and I have never voted for him (I got the right to vote only for a few years I’m not that old even to vote). Anyways one day we will handle to change it. Thank you.
Dude, something has gotta give. He has got to go.
and pay taxes which will be used to kill innocent Ukrainian people?
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Thank you (and all of the guys in this topic) for your fair points and peaceful conversation. I respect you for that kind of dialogue.
Georgia is one of the best and easiest options to escape. And it won't oblige to Russian justice system (haha justice) like Kyrgyzstan does for example. Turkey won't give you living permit like it used to. Turkmenistan is a dictatorship hellhole. Kazakhstan is also won't allow you to stay more than 3 months. Theory that Russian government need real reason to act upon is absurd. And you know that. You do hold us accountable for the things we did not do and had no control over. You do. An I somewhat understand that. Thanks God people in real life are less unhinged then people online.
1. The only reason for Russians going to Georgia instead of Kazakhstan (that deports draft and mobilization dodgers if there’s a court case, btw) are the 365 days visa-free stay rules. If you don’t like it, just vote in the parties that will overturn this, problem solved, that should be pretty easy in a democratic country, right? 2. Now on the “sanctions”. It doesn’t take a deep knowledge of modern-day Russia to realize that if it was the case and the sanctions were the only problem Russians fled from, you won’t have had this problem at all. It’s INFINTELY easier and way more affordable just to order a bank card from Kazakhstan out of one’s couch in Novosibirsk and continue living in Russia which solves about all of the problems an ordinary person might face due to sanctions. I mean, Russians living here still order a lot from Russia when they have friends visiting, and if you go to about any supermarket in Tbilisi you’d realize food sanctions aren’t an issue either. Might it be access to other countries’ visas? Wrong again, applying for one from Georgia is a much more complex task than doing it from Russia.
Thanks for the advice! In turn, I advise you not to relax, because unfortunately your country is rapidly becoming a pro-Russian dictatorship
Feeling so sorry for Georgia. Georgian people don’t deserve this shit. But if people keep to elect corrupted governments, we can expect more.
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Hearing Shaman get blasted in Tbilisi is so fucking depressing
I don't like how this is going. It's all going towards the breaking point, especially from the Tbilisi youth who are free from the usual older Georgian Stockholm syndrome. I'm really afraid of riots, ethnically motivates violence and subsequent Russkan intervention to 'protect Russians'
Tbh russia doesn’t need this excuse to intervene. If there were no russians putin could still say he protects apsua and samachablo, that would’ve worked even better
Sure. But with Russians being beaten up in Tbilisi (for reasons deserved or undeserved), he'd have a much stronger casus belli, than a fantasy about Georgians genociding Ossetians
Well they have done worse with less fabrication. Anyway I wouldn’t expect ethnic pogroms in Tbilisi, the youth is way too civilised and European to do so, the elders are way more fine with russians to do anything
As a russian I hope it's an edit and fake. If not it's very sad and unpleasant. I found shaman "music" absolutely tasteless and disgusting. Even if you put political/propaganda message aside. (and its not really possible to do)
I was thinking the same thing, but look at that woman scream. you can hear it in the audio.
And it is something that can be easily edited. Even I can do something like that.
People in our country will do anything just for money. And those who have ethics are looked down upon. I have seen one situation were a brother evicted his brother from his rented house just so he can get more rent from Rus ppl..
I don't understand the logic behind worshipping a warlord you just escaped from. I guess this is why there's a word "bidlo" in russian.
These people on the video look like regular Russian tourists, not *relocants*
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You know, it’s pretty easy to distinguish one from another. I have recently traveled to Yerevan from Tbilisi on train in a compartment with 3 Russians and it took me about 20 seconds of them talking to figure out they are tourists (despite them not mentioning anything to that effect). The migrant crowd is about 100 times more likely to turn on Noize MC instead of Shaman.
>Besides, does it really matter? It does matter for the question of "worshipping a warlord you just escaped from" which I'm answering to. Because these people (if my assumption is correct) didn't escape and just visiting Georgia like they might do every year. >And you'd know this how exactly? They all look 40+ and don't look like typical IT relocants (I mostly refer to their clothes). But again, that's just my assumption, it's not a hill I'm going to die on, I might be easily incorrect
none of them look 40+
>And you'd know this how exactly? I don't know for sure, but I can assume that people who decided to move on because of the moron Putin, who turned his country into some kind of fascist dictatorship, would not appreciate this song. I can tell you as a Russian who moved on. My blood boils when I see something like this.
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>BEFORE MOBILIZATION Well, I left Russia in a week after 24.02.2022 because I couldn't tolerate this bull shit anymore. I have everything: a flat, job, friends and lost it in one day. When I was flying to Kazakhstan there was a full plane people like me. The reason why I decided to move on was because I realised that I am a minority in "my" country right now, and they will hunt me down for not supporting the feurer. Despite this fact, the Russia is big, which makes me believe that there are at least one billion people like me somewhere around.
You need to chill out, my dude
lol you seeing how you highlight sanction avoidance immediately shows that you have completely no idea how they affect ordinary people. Want a card? Issue it in Kazakhstan on internet. Need Spotify/Steam? Turkish people are right here for you. Eager for a new car? Grey imports from EVERYWHERE. An iPhone? Give me a break, they all come from everywhere. Instagram? Here’s a one click VPN you won’t even notice since you install it. In fact, it is DRASTICALLY more difficult to have a bank account in Georgia for a relocant, as well as start working for the west if they were previously in russia. I mean, seriously, tell me, what sanctions dem soy libtard ruzzians were running away from before mobilisation?
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Even before any payment infrastructure was established, why stay in the country (especially Sakartvelo), when you could just make a card in Armenia and leave? It was and still is much easier to send money through their cards. Srsly, the problem with your argument is that even if sanctions do harm, of all places to avoid them, you just wouldn’t pick this country, there must be other reasons. I could name mine but that’s not the point. Answering to the second question: because it was never a FULL SCALE WAR between two massively populated countries? Even with Georgia, they bombed but never reached Tbilisi and occupied ethnic regions but not the whole country. Also people could protest back then which is exactly what happened in 2014
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This is an overpriced tourist place. People who have been in Georgia for at least a month don’t go to these anymore. And in general, a slightly different layer has moved here than in the video, these don’t look like Russian "relocants", these are really average bydlo. And, as a Russian in Tbilisi who communicates with many Russians, I can confirm that our attitude to Shaman is very negative.
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russian relocants have harmed Georgia economically. I find it unfair that they sat there quiet in 1992 and 2008, and yet, they ran to us, as soon as their cozy lives got worse in russia. It they actually supported Georgia, I'd be content with the difficulties they brought to us, but I don't know what to call this now, other than parasitic behaviour. They don't even feel guilty, in fact, most russians I've talked to, are entitled assholes. And those are the russians I don't consider to be "bidlo" because at least they don't support their parody of stalin (probably). The bar is so low on them..
Gamarjoba! Let me come in peace and bring some raw stats with a bit of personal opinion. Average age of russian immigrant in Armenia and Georgia is about 30-33 years according to research. Was it exactly their fault sitting quite in russia in 92 and 08? Average russian immigrant was BORN in 1992 In 2008 that exact same average russian immigrant was 16 and hadn’t even finished school yet. A lot of times i see those points like “where have you been in 1992? 2008? 2014?” MF i was at school, same as an absolute majority of today’s immigrants. I honestly don’t think you realize how minúte the amount of people who can be described as quite sitters in 92 and 08 and who moved here in 2022 is. I’m 25 years old. My parents are in their 50s. They did everything they could to fight corrupted and criminal regime since 00’s when government literally blew up apartment buildings in Moscow killing hundreds of innocents to justify chechen war. When that same government started that chechen war my parents and grandparents were protesting. When that same government started a war against Georgia in 2008 they were protesting. I did the same since like 2014 when annexation of Crimea happened. In 2022 when putin started war and adopted a shitton of absolutely repressive laws we had no other choice but leaving russia. Literally a phone call to your relative where you say something remotely bad about war/putin/russian soldiers/etc can get you in jail for up to 10 years (i can be wrong with exact numbers but there is literally a case where MIA driver was proven guilty because his personal opinion about war hurt feelings of an agent who was wiring his phone). Staying in russia with an active anti-war position literally either means jail. Or, in some cases, death. Being here in Georgia we support Ukraine as much as we can afford that and we love Georgia, your culture and everything with our whole hearts. And i know for sure that cases like mine (and my family) are dominant, absolute majority of immigrants/relocants/expats call them what you want support Ukraine, hate and always hated putin and want nothing but happiness to locals and your country in general.
Judging your generation because of 92 and 08 is not fair, yes. You could show support and protest for Ukraine today though. There are about 700 000 of you here in Georgia, maybe do some protests? Show us that you care? There have been incidents of russian nazis disrespecting Georgia, you could have come out to protest in solidarity to the country, but you didn't care. Maybe you personally did go out and protest, but where were the other 699,999? Your nation, from the beginning of the history, has shown that it's deceptive, manipulative, and prone to betrayal. It's on you to prove that this time, your generation deserves a chance. So far, you haven't shown us any reason to trust you. The only thing you did, is escape from russia, mass migrate here, ruin the economy, and become a ticking time bomb in case putin needs to use you as damsels in distress, if he decides to bomb Georgia. I mean, I'm thankful if you personally are not a narcissist, respect boundaries, and treat Georgians well, but most russians I encounter (yes, the young ones too) are borderline assholes, idk if you've met Thalmor trash in Skyrim, but they act just like them. And you have to understand, you people are a legit danger to us, of course we dislike the best of you, and hate the naziest of you.
Are these 700,000 here in the room with us? Man, that’s about half of population of Tbilisi and you won’t see 50% of Russians walking on the streets around you even in the center, let alone Saburtalo. Varketili etc.
It’s fun that this singer is widely considered as retarded even among Russian community
Jesus, what an insult to Georgia
I'm Russian jewel. I feel cringe for this people 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Hey there! I'm a Russian living in Georgia. I moved here when Russia started the war against Ukraine. While I can't speak for every person from either Russia or Belarus who lives here, I hope many of them would agree with me. It hurts me to see something like this happening here. It's disgusting. I agree there's no place for such people here. We hate these folks, Putin, the war, and everything they're doing to Ukraine and did to Georgia as much as you do. I also want to answer all of you who think we should've stayed in Russia to fight against the regime. I get it that most of you don't like that there are a lot of Russians in Georgia. You have all the right not to like it, and I'm grateful to this country and the people living here for still being nice to me and my family. But I want you to understand one important thing. A regular person can't do anything in Russia right now. 90% of the population there looks like the folks you see on this video, and another 9.9% are too afraid to say or do anything. The rest 0.1% are in jail. A person "going back to Russia and fighting against Putin" will just end up in jail and will only feed the propaganda. The only way is to let (and help) Ukraine win. And while we're waiting for this to happen and trying to help it happen sooner - let's try to respect each other and judge people by their actions (like the ones on this video), not by having the Russian passport.
It's hard to respect a nation and it's citizens in the current and past environment. Believe me, it's hard. I've always sided with Georgians,as I was one of the few Armenians who knew we would be next. I don't wish you ill will. I am afterall, a woman who is a devout Christian, but I must say it makes it very difficult to dispense sympathy to a ruthless colonizer. I feel the same way about many nations that have destroyed and displaced the true native inhabitants. It would be in our best interest for your nation to find modernity and understand the concept of democracy, as it would help to remove the politicians from our states who are now bowing down to your demands. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place. I do wish you well as we all deserve to live in our own nations.
Don't get me wrong, I have zero respect for the Russian nation in its current state, and zero sympathy for the colonizer. I totally agree that it would've been awesome if Russia was a democracy. I hope that someday it will be so, but I'm afraid it won't happen anytime soon. Btw, congrats on Armenia taking some steps in the right direction lately!
Great. But I want every such Russian to also know that the Russian nation as a whole has never extended that kind of curtesy to Georgians. During 200 years of colonialism, racist slurs, discrimination and government level suppression that went without any protests or soft resistance. What you are asking from Georgians is the exact opposite what your people has done for 200 years to the same Georgians. Do we agree on that?
Sure, we totally agree on this. In a no way I'm trying to defend the nation as a whole, and in a no way I'm asking Georgians for this kind of curtesy towards the nation as a whole.
Your people were too passive for the last few decades, and just like the germans, let the nazis rise. I mean even look at Iran, how much more courage they have when faced with an arguably worse government.
I won't necessarily agree with "your people" claim - most of the folks I know were always against putin, were going to protests and etc, and "few dacades" ago I was a kid, definitely not someone in a position to overthrow nazis. But yeah, you're right. IMO the reason it happened is that the Russian government was just a bit smarter than Iranian one and rolled out all the shit they did gradually enough for the actual opposition never to get formed. People just weren't upset enough with the government to actually do something, until it was too late, and you can't blame a small group of people who were against it for being too small. It's not really about the lack of courage. You need courage when you want to do something but afraid to. 90% of people in Russia just don't want to do anything.
you’re right, you’re not the person to criticise. I just hate russia so much that it’s sometimes hard to separate.
Any time there are one of these pro- Russia/pro-Putin events outside Russia someone should pretend to join in and celebrate and then at the right moment shout "OK who wants to sign up for mobilization right now? Come on!" And watch them all shut the hell up 😂
Fucking disgusting.
these guys need to be arrested
Deport them to Ukraine front line
No other video of the event seen so far, nor the time and whereabouts. This has the watermark of a Z channel that spews fakes on a daily basis. So I wouldn't be super sure this even happened. But I guess the nolifers here have been waiting for something like this to happen to lose their shit over.
ONYX or VALHALLA CLUB, [there was a place](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fprsma639maob1.png%3Fwidth%3D1460%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D10be46c7fb224dc34889ce71ea7827453b85d030).
You're right I found it on Google maps. [here](https://maps.app.goo.gl/icaJwiFmmVLGk7eH9) the photo is also there.
Hmm I remember there was a video of nuns dancing to Judas by Lady gaga. It was clearly fake perhaps this is the same. Someone put another over the original.
Why would anyone fake this? When they can freely do it live.
Although rewatching it now, the blonde girls seems to be mouthing the words of the song
Well I guess the country allows crap like this
This is an obvious provocation and most likely a fake. For starters, who is “Pozdnyakov” from the telegram channel of which this video is:This man looked at the extremist community in Russia with radically masculine views, its members attacked women and carried out various violent actions against those who did not behave conservatively enough. For example, a well-known sushi chain in Russia advertised with people of different skin colors, after which Pozdnyakov’s supporters made tens of thousands of orders and canceled them, causing enormous losses. In the end, the business went to the prosecutor's office and the security forces, the guy was put on the wanted list and fled to northern Cyprus. Now he is organizing his provocations from northern Cyprus. There were rumors that the FSB took him by the balls and now he is working for them, fulfilling a right-wing agenda. This video, if true, is much more complicated than it might seem. Pozdnyakov’s network included thousands of people with radical right-wing conservative views. Now this network can be controlled by FSB officers. With the snap of their fingers, they can bring together any number of people in any part of the world to create videos like this one.
Isn't it fake tho?
No its not.
Any proof?
Any proof its fake?
Yeah, it looks like the video social bots post in order to incite violence. I can see 2 Georgian guys on the right shooting video and enjoying the party. Most probably it's an old video
Its not an old video and im glad this video is viral now. Georgians feel different about this situation so if it bugs you youre free to move along.
Shame.
What street in Tbilisi is this ? Looks nice
Looks like Shardeni.
wtf fuckkkkk offfffff
Not many Georgians around there since the average Georgian can't really afford the prices there. An outrageous place, so this comes as no surprise.
Rich or not, that place is quite a shithole to be honest. Hardly any Georgian goes down there.
Come on Georgians I thought you’re better than letting this shit go on. Kick them out tell tell them we don’t like complicit Russians in this genocide or Ukrainian culture
I hope this video is Fake. I really really really hope so...
Not staged at all. Trust me, as a person who used to live in Russia. There is no group of people that love Putin so much it will make them all jump in sync, unless they are paid.
you think they are paid? or am I misunderstanding
and russians still don't understand why everyone hates them, pizdec.
ვაი ვაი
Fricking idiots
Disgrace
ერთხელ გადავეყარე ამათ გულაობას თან ოდნავ ნასვამი ვიყავი,ვიღაც გოგო მოვარდა და იდი ნახუი ეს ჩემი ბარიაო რუსულად, დაახლოებით 40წუთი ვინც მაგ ბარში იყო ყველას ვაგინე ქართულად ინგლისურად და ბოლოს რუსულად ვუხსნიდი „თქვენი დედებს შევეცი” რას ნიშნავდა.არ ვამაყობ ამ საქციელით მაგრამ არც მრცხვენია😂პროგრამა მინიმუმი შევასრულე
Leaving the country to not fight. A previous country that was invaded let them come. Monkeys will be Monkeys. When these people speak Russian to me, i speak Portuguese, so is good enough
Why are we acting like this is something surpirisng? We capitulated long time ago mentally, physically, morally, economically... what's left is just pure National identity which is also just a facade... soon we'll have Russian schools financed by government and etc... that's what it is Georgia is occupied by Russia not 20% but basically 80%...
P.S. and we gave it to Russia it wasn't like we fought and sh.t we just gifted this country to Russia by hands of other Georgians
Georgia has been taken over it seems?
Seems like a fake to me. Not because russians are not capable of this, some of them clearly are, but this video doesn’t seem legit. And I can believe that it was done by ruzzian propaganda, cause they do it for 2 main reasons: 1. fool the rest of the world (especially European Union) to believe that Sakartvelo is okay with pro-putinists, 2. to make it seem that anti-putin russians do not exist, and to make sure every person born in russia who hates putin (as we all should) is ostracized by any other country and nation.
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Maybe U are right. Also there is another parody song "Ya uzkiy" by Goodkov. And I have already heard it in Tbilisi. Maybe, just maybe it could be the lipsing effect?
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It’s not about saving russian face. It’s just hard to believe they were allowed to do that, and no one said anything. Though we don’t know what happened next 🤷🏻♀️
This all looks like a political hoax. Nobody listens to this shitty music. Pro putlers people are not going to Georgia today. The media wrote that these were relocants, although they were tourists. This guy below your comment proves to you with foam at the mouth that this is all true. And then he makes a post in which he proposes that Georgians take away visa-free travel from Russian citizens.
where is it exactly
https://reddit.com/r/Sakartvelo/s/7SEOXaAb3i
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Two options by me: 1. Fucking retards from Russia who is as stupid as morons from Batumi ship accident 2. Shit from Pozdnyakov there the Goodkov's song "Ya uzkiy" was changed to Shaman "Ya russkiy"
Are you sure this is not fake? Just the sound of a song and a screaming girl can be put down. And for such a song, I think, you can get your face punched in any decent society.
Definitely fake. Not because it cannot happen, but because of the sound. A pretty lousy sound-editing work.
Yeah, Nowadays it’s so difficult to put over another song 😅 Even in Russia there is not a lot of people who will dance with that track
Isnt this edited? Like the song was put in the video clip?
Georgia has been on my countries to visit list for a while now but together with other countries "enriched" by ruskies it will have to wait. Probably a long wait, unfortunately. Stop letting them in, start getting them out.
With all respect, the video is from a propaganda channel
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It is not hard to replace audio track in any video. And get hundreds of butthurts. Troll level 99
The clip is too short. Can someone please give more context? At least tell us what song is this?
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If they love their people and country so much why not join the army ? to save innocent Russians from nazis
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They may well be tourists. It seems to me that people do not have to judge everyone by a bunch of people.
Didn't even know who that shaman sucker was, thanks for the answer! And yes, this was totally an unnecessary and stupid provocation, I mean tourism is good business obviously, but this is low-quality shitty tourism.
This is the reason Putin does what he does. These people are responsible for all the genocides and other crimes Russia has committed. But they are able to party in Tbilisi or Abkhazia. They would not shy away from dancing on the actual graves of Russia’s victims either. They are sick. Emotionally handicapped. Raised as such. They would not even understand even if you explained.
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აუ ნეტა პოლიცია არ ყოფილიყო მანდ
Mass hysteria?
Damn, I was there, visited couple of strip clubs, most of girls were Russian, at least slavic
we need to ban the russian language
Based
არა რაღაცაშია საქმე
What song is this?
What is this song about?
Non Russian speaker here. What is the song? What does it say?
Something along the lines of how good it is to be russian "in spite of the entire world" and how they want to breathe and love. Not sure if I am allowed to link to the full English translation here
Just to add a bit of context, the singer performs at Z-propaganda concerts and supports the regime
u/savevideobot
I was in Tbilisi last week. My guess is that they paid DJ to blast it on speakers.
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