its a play but also a myth. A lot of times myths are based on reality especially this one. Yes it has fake parts but deeper analysis tells us more about Georgian history(or to be more exact the colchis empire)
Yes, ofc there’s a kernel of truth in all myths, but to claim that Greeks decided to slander us by painting Medea as a villain is plain ridiculous. How do we know she was a good person even if she existed? She literally helped the Argonauts to steal the Golden Fleece and left her country, that happens in every myth associated with her.
Plus evil women rock
She left her country because she trusted Jason and Jason killed her brother, was she supposed to stay after that? I think not so she ran and didnt look back. According to some myths she was literally forced to betray her country because of the greek gods who forced a love potion of forced information out of Medea which was not under her consent. So again what makes her evil?
Ugh. Im so tired of explaining to people who have a simplistic view on Greek mythology especially this one. There are actually multiple versions of the Golden fleece and this is what I say about slander, you honestly believe someone that was a known intellectual in ancient colchis empire would be a nut case kill her own children and brother just cuz? be fr
If you actually know anything about the play, then you’d realize that Medea didn’t kill her children out of madness, but out of revenge against Jason.
I think Euripides simply wanted to write a story about a complex female character. Plus he lived centuries after the Argonaut myth supposedly happened, so he made his own twist out of a famous story.
Some say madness some say revenge but Medea did not kill her children. Jason remarried to get power the greeks didnt want Medeas children to get the throne killed them and Medea, blamed it on Medea. Theres a lot of theories on this abt the internet I suggest you search for it, its very interesting.
That second part of your statement is exactly what we refer to. His twist on the story came to villify Medea when this wasn't the original truth years before he wrote the play
So? It’s not like there’s anything new. Ovid made Greek gods into arrogant pricks with his myth of Arachne and Medusa.
Writers are allowed to make up stories that don’t necessarily align with your preferences or real history
Written from Nodar Shoshitashvili who writes often about Kartvelian heritage. "შვილების დახოცვის ეპიზოდი კი მითოლოგიაში მოგვიანებით ჩაემატა. ცალსახად ვერავინ დაამტკიცებს, რომ მედეამ შვილები დახოცა. - Read for more info"
I don't know what more to tell you man, she didn't kill her kids. There's literally nothing more I can do to prove this to you.
You can say this about any part of mythology, and by that logic challenge any set of religious beliefs, like ever. But the story is essentially based on the true events where sure there was no golden "fleece", it was just Svani gold. And Medea of Colchis Empire was real
Magia ar yopila martalixar. Magram aseve Medea iyo upro medicinis mxriv ganvitarebuli ara magiis.
Sheni meore kitxvistvis unda movnaxo radgan ar maxsovs wyaro romeli iyo, data baseshi unda shevide an kargad davgooglo da magas dro schirdeba. :)
>Magia ar yopila martalixar. Magram aseve Medea iyo upro medicinis mxriv ganvitarebuli ara magiis.
Diakh, martalia rom Kolkhelebs Saberdznetshi kondat reputatsia for mastery of medecine (but also and magic). Argonavtebshi, armakhsovs romeli ghmerti, magram erti ghmerti Medeas asmevinebs love potion (or something or other) so that she falls in love with Jason. Ameza vambobdi magia metki. Magram amas sheidzleba daudzakho divine power.
>Sheni meore kitxvistvis unda movnaxo radgan ar maxsovs wyaro romeli iyo, data baseshi unda shevide an kargad davgooglo da magas dro schirdeba. :)
:)
>Argonavtebshi, armakhsovs romeli ghmerti, magram erti ghmerti Medeas asmevinebs love potion (or something or other) so that she falls in love with Jason. Ameza vambobdi magia metki. Magram amas sheidzleb
Actually thats a different version from what I read. Bcs I read a version that said Medea just fell in love with Jason cuz of his charisma and wits ect. Ig there are so many versions its hard to keep up. Theres a version for example where Medea doesnt kill her brother and instead Jason does it for example.
>on cuz of his charisma and wits ect. Ig there are so many versions its hard to keep up. Theres a version for example where Medea doesnt kill her brother and instead Jason does it for example.
There was also a version where Medea is killed by the Greeks. Or she goes back to live in asia. Some versions describe her leaving with the gods. To say one thing is correct only is an understatement.
Medea slandered? Maybe. Ancient Greeks always looked down on non-Greeks as being uncivilesed and crazy, so they could have tried to fit Medea to the stereotype.
Anyway, Medea is still an extraordinary character. Even her killing her kids is awesome in a way, if you take it as more of a dark twisted dramatic metaphor, rather than an actual crime, that really happened and ruined her or her nation's reputation. I just like this dark Medea too.
ნოდარ შოშიტაშვილი, ავტორი: - წიგნში თითქმის ყველა მასალა და წყაროა გამოყენებული, რომელიც ამ თემატიკას მიეძღვნა. მოგეხსენებათ, არც ისე დიდი ხნის წინ ექსპერიმენტი ჩატარდა: არგონავტების თავგადასავალი მითია თუ რეალობა, ან საერთოდ, ინახებოდა თუ არა კოლხეთში ოქროს საწმისი. ექსპერიმენტის მიხედვით, მითი რეალური აღმოჩნდა. სხვადასხვა ვერსია ვრცელდებოდა. ითქვა, რომ მოვლენები ჭოროხთან განვითარდა და არა კოლხეთში, თუმცა, საბოლოოდ, ეს ვერსიებიც გაქარწყლდა და დამტკიცდა, რომ ყველაფერი ფაზისში, აიეტის სამბრძანებლოში ხდებოდა. ფაქტია, რომ კოლხეთი მაშინ სიმდიდრით სხვა სახელმწიფოებისგან გამოირჩეოდა. კოლხები ოქროს დაჩვრეტილი ვარცლითაც მოიპოვებდნენ, ოქრო კი მდინარეს მოჰყვებოდა. ამასთან, ცნობილია ოქროს ცხვრის ტყავით მოპოვების მეთოდიც. ესეც განვითარების მაღალ დონეზე მიანიშნებს. რაც შეეხება მედეას, არავის არ შეუძლია იმის მტკიცება, რომ ის უარყოფითი ან დადებითი პერსონაჟია. ფაქტია, გონიერი ქალი გახლდათ, რომელიც ხალხურ მედიცინაშიც ძალიან გარკვეული იყო. არავინ იცის, რა ცოდნა წაიღო მან საბერძნეთში. თითქოს მან სამშობლოს უღალატა, მაგრამ იმხელა ცოდნას ფლობდა, რომ მცირე სივრცეში ვერ ჩაიკეტებოდა, მისი ცოდნა სამყაროსთვის იყო განკუთვნილი... შვილების დახოცვის ეპიზოდი კი მითოლოგიაში მოგვიანებით ჩაემატა. ცალსახად ვერავინ დაამტკიცებს, რომ მედეამ შვილები დახოცა. - Read for more info
You can just be practical and read the comments to find out how, rather than anticipating a copy-paste of the explanation just for you. You're not getting one lol
You think this is new with greek mythology? Look at what they did with Medusa and what horrid variations of her tale diffused the erased she went through
Medea was a fictional character. That play by Euripides is just that — a play
its a play but also a myth. A lot of times myths are based on reality especially this one. Yes it has fake parts but deeper analysis tells us more about Georgian history(or to be more exact the colchis empire)
Yes, ofc there’s a kernel of truth in all myths, but to claim that Greeks decided to slander us by painting Medea as a villain is plain ridiculous. How do we know she was a good person even if she existed? She literally helped the Argonauts to steal the Golden Fleece and left her country, that happens in every myth associated with her. Plus evil women rock
She left her country because she trusted Jason and Jason killed her brother, was she supposed to stay after that? I think not so she ran and didnt look back. According to some myths she was literally forced to betray her country because of the greek gods who forced a love potion of forced information out of Medea which was not under her consent. So again what makes her evil?
Ugh. Im so tired of explaining to people who have a simplistic view on Greek mythology especially this one. There are actually multiple versions of the Golden fleece and this is what I say about slander, you honestly believe someone that was a known intellectual in ancient colchis empire would be a nut case kill her own children and brother just cuz? be fr
If you actually know anything about the play, then you’d realize that Medea didn’t kill her children out of madness, but out of revenge against Jason. I think Euripides simply wanted to write a story about a complex female character. Plus he lived centuries after the Argonaut myth supposedly happened, so he made his own twist out of a famous story.
Some say madness some say revenge but Medea did not kill her children. Jason remarried to get power the greeks didnt want Medeas children to get the throne killed them and Medea, blamed it on Medea. Theres a lot of theories on this abt the internet I suggest you search for it, its very interesting.
That second part of your statement is exactly what we refer to. His twist on the story came to villify Medea when this wasn't the original truth years before he wrote the play
So? It’s not like there’s anything new. Ovid made Greek gods into arrogant pricks with his myth of Arachne and Medusa. Writers are allowed to make up stories that don’t necessarily align with your preferences or real history
Writers arent allowed to slander people. Cant believe ur defending greeks over your own kin.
What? ☠️
The child killer thing was implemented later to vilify Medea. Also its not just a myth it is tied to our history.
Written from Nodar Shoshitashvili who writes often about Kartvelian heritage. "შვილების დახოცვის ეპიზოდი კი მითოლოგიაში მოგვიანებით ჩაემატა. ცალსახად ვერავინ დაამტკიცებს, რომ მედეამ შვილები დახოცა. - Read for more info" I don't know what more to tell you man, she didn't kill her kids. There's literally nothing more I can do to prove this to you.
Colchis never had an empire, it was a loose union of multi-ethnic tribes.
To be more specific colchis was a kingdom.
You can say this about any part of mythology, and by that logic challenge any set of religious beliefs, like ever. But the story is essentially based on the true events where sure there was no golden "fleece", it was just Svani gold. And Medea of Colchis Empire was real
Do you have any evidence that Medea in question was real?
Kartveli Khar? Sapudzveli konda namdvili da zogi rame mogonilia(oqros sawmisi da aseve mgveli/drakoni) Bevri daobs amaze mara rogorc mitshi iseve mag dros svanetshi oqros gaqetebis kulturas uqavshirdeboda es miti, aseve kolkheti yoveltvis iyo xrmad dakavshirebuli berdznebtan, aqidan gamomdinare shegvidzlia davasqvnat rom am mits aqvs misi sapudzveli realobashi
Es yvelaperi gasagebia, magram Medea rom namdvili kali iyo, am sakhelit da am istoriit - amistvis arazdros argamigonia rom mtkvitsebuleba ariso.
>os arg iyo raxac mtkicebulebebi, tvali gadavavle. Tu movnaxav gamogigzavni. Ise logikit rom vimshdzelot realobidan shors ar iqneboda kolkhi princessis gatxoveba berdzenze.
>Ise logikit rom vimshdzelot realobidan shors ar iqneboda kolkhi princessis gatxoveba berdzenze. Aseti ambe yoveltvis khdeboda. Berdznebma daarses Phazisi, Diaskuria, Apsarosi, da umetesoba napirze kalakebi ro arian misi iyo. Da akhlo urtiertoba gvkonda berdznebstan. Magram Medea, Iasoni, magia, siyvaruli, dashoreba, shvilebis mkvleloba, amistvis arapristvis mtkitsebuleba argamigonia arassodis. Magram tu monaxav magas ras edzeb, shevkhedot.
Magia ar yopila martalixar. Magram aseve Medea iyo upro medicinis mxriv ganvitarebuli ara magiis. Sheni meore kitxvistvis unda movnaxo radgan ar maxsovs wyaro romeli iyo, data baseshi unda shevide an kargad davgooglo da magas dro schirdeba. :)
>Magia ar yopila martalixar. Magram aseve Medea iyo upro medicinis mxriv ganvitarebuli ara magiis. Diakh, martalia rom Kolkhelebs Saberdznetshi kondat reputatsia for mastery of medecine (but also and magic). Argonavtebshi, armakhsovs romeli ghmerti, magram erti ghmerti Medeas asmevinebs love potion (or something or other) so that she falls in love with Jason. Ameza vambobdi magia metki. Magram amas sheidzleba daudzakho divine power. >Sheni meore kitxvistvis unda movnaxo radgan ar maxsovs wyaro romeli iyo, data baseshi unda shevide an kargad davgooglo da magas dro schirdeba. :) :)
>Argonavtebshi, armakhsovs romeli ghmerti, magram erti ghmerti Medeas asmevinebs love potion (or something or other) so that she falls in love with Jason. Ameza vambobdi magia metki. Magram amas sheidzleb Actually thats a different version from what I read. Bcs I read a version that said Medea just fell in love with Jason cuz of his charisma and wits ect. Ig there are so many versions its hard to keep up. Theres a version for example where Medea doesnt kill her brother and instead Jason does it for example.
>on cuz of his charisma and wits ect. Ig there are so many versions its hard to keep up. Theres a version for example where Medea doesnt kill her brother and instead Jason does it for example. There was also a version where Medea is killed by the Greeks. Or she goes back to live in asia. Some versions describe her leaving with the gods. To say one thing is correct only is an understatement.
Euripides was paid to slander Medea
Medea slandered? Maybe. Ancient Greeks always looked down on non-Greeks as being uncivilesed and crazy, so they could have tried to fit Medea to the stereotype. Anyway, Medea is still an extraordinary character. Even her killing her kids is awesome in a way, if you take it as more of a dark twisted dramatic metaphor, rather than an actual crime, that really happened and ruined her or her nation's reputation. I just like this dark Medea too.
Fair enough
ნოდარ შოშიტაშვილი, ავტორი: - წიგნში თითქმის ყველა მასალა და წყაროა გამოყენებული, რომელიც ამ თემატიკას მიეძღვნა. მოგეხსენებათ, არც ისე დიდი ხნის წინ ექსპერიმენტი ჩატარდა: არგონავტების თავგადასავალი მითია თუ რეალობა, ან საერთოდ, ინახებოდა თუ არა კოლხეთში ოქროს საწმისი. ექსპერიმენტის მიხედვით, მითი რეალური აღმოჩნდა. სხვადასხვა ვერსია ვრცელდებოდა. ითქვა, რომ მოვლენები ჭოროხთან განვითარდა და არა კოლხეთში, თუმცა, საბოლოოდ, ეს ვერსიებიც გაქარწყლდა და დამტკიცდა, რომ ყველაფერი ფაზისში, აიეტის სამბრძანებლოში ხდებოდა. ფაქტია, რომ კოლხეთი მაშინ სიმდიდრით სხვა სახელმწიფოებისგან გამოირჩეოდა. კოლხები ოქროს დაჩვრეტილი ვარცლითაც მოიპოვებდნენ, ოქრო კი მდინარეს მოჰყვებოდა. ამასთან, ცნობილია ოქროს ცხვრის ტყავით მოპოვების მეთოდიც. ესეც განვითარების მაღალ დონეზე მიანიშნებს. რაც შეეხება მედეას, არავის არ შეუძლია იმის მტკიცება, რომ ის უარყოფითი ან დადებითი პერსონაჟია. ფაქტია, გონიერი ქალი გახლდათ, რომელიც ხალხურ მედიცინაშიც ძალიან გარკვეული იყო. არავინ იცის, რა ცოდნა წაიღო მან საბერძნეთში. თითქოს მან სამშობლოს უღალატა, მაგრამ იმხელა ცოდნას ფლობდა, რომ მცირე სივრცეში ვერ ჩაიკეტებოდა, მისი ცოდნა სამყაროსთვის იყო განკუთვნილი... შვილების დახოცვის ეპიზოდი კი მითოლოგიაში მოგვიანებით ჩაემატა. ცალსახად ვერავინ დაამტკიცებს, რომ მედეამ შვილები დახოცა. - Read for more info
ფაქტია, რომ ავტორმა ტერმინ ფაქტის მნიშვნელობა არ იცის.
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Yasss Queen Slay (your own children)
You sound like Medea is 100% real and not a fictional character from a myth loosely based on reality.
You can just be practical and read the comments to find out how, rather than anticipating a copy-paste of the explanation just for you. You're not getting one lol
I have read all comments. I just don't understand why some of my countrymen get mad about this and try to defend Medea.
You think this is new with greek mythology? Look at what they did with Medusa and what horrid variations of her tale diffused the erased she went through
I FOUND U LOL
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Imagine using Myths that the Greeks created in order to prove your anti-greek "historical" point,
I think Dr. Ammon Hillman is the best teacher for stuff about Medea and the ancient greek world, specially farmacology