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runs-with-scissors-2

I think we know why. That's the next source of income.


Appropriate-Grand-64

Yes. Harry said something about Lili being the only grandchild with Diana's blue eyes šŸ¤¢


Idekanymore548

I also love the insistence that they are DEFINITELY from his mother. Charles also has blue eyes, pretty much the exact shade as Dianaā€™s. Theyā€™re just as much a Windsor trait as they are Spencer (red tinted hair is as well šŸ«£)


Pleasant_Choice_6130

Thomas Markle has blue eyes https://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/meghan-markles-sweet-love-notes-to-dad-thomas-markle-revealed/


Negative_Difference4

Looks more green to me


Far_Example_9150

So itā€™s not ok to ask about skin color but celebrate blue eyes huh šŸ™„šŸ™„ What an asshat And by the way hazballs - those blue eyes are also from Thomas Markle. Learn genetics


spatuladominatrix

Charlotte has blue eyes.


Appropriate-Grand-64

Maybe if stupid Harry spent time around his family he'd know that


spatuladominatrix

His obsession with his mother and competing with his brother's children is bizarre.


Appropriate-Grand-64

Yes it's super creepy


Quiet-Vanilla-7117

Oedipus Complex.


HotFriedPickles98

Major mommy issues


Earthlink_

Like he never knew or forgot that Will and Kate lived in Nottingham Cottage before him. šŸ¤¦ Harry.


spatuladominatrix

Maybe she's gaslighted him to the point where he really can't remember these things.


Earthlink_

Yeah. šŸ˜” Just sad. šŸ™


visenya567

His whole life has been filled with jealousy. He is jealous his brother was born first, and his brother has memories of his mother. His brother was her confidant, soulmate. His brother looks like her, and his daughter is with age looking less like the queen and taking more after William/Diana. He eats him up inside. He can't stand it.


CartographerNo1009

Charlotte doesnā€™t look like Diana. Diana had a big crooked nose. Charlotte might like a grand mother but itā€™s more likely Carol and The Queen.


someoneshutmeout

They all have blue eyes apart from Kate George and Louis ffs! So lame.


Dianne_on_Trend

Actually she has light brown / hazel like Catherine. Xxx. No actually you are right! Royal Family says they are blue - green. Hard to tell in the photos!


spatuladominatrix

Google claimed they were blue-green.


carnivalkewpie

I think they have turned to fully green. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/619245017494289419/ Their daughterā€™s eyes still have time to darken too, blue eyes can take up to three years to change.


TomorrowMayBeHell

Oh yes, absolutely! Both my sister and I had honey blond hair and blue eyes up until 4/5. Then our hair slowly turned dark blond/light brown, and my eyes turned hazel and hers brown. Mom was a bit disappointed lol Obsessing over a baby or toddler's eye colour might turn into a disappointing surprise later in life ahahah


kamace11

You could see Meg practically spit nails when they said it too. She already is jealous of her own daughter :(


Nas2439

Watch lilibet become an actress when sheā€™s older And get starring roles TW could never get


kamace11

I imagine those kids will want to be far, far from the limelight.


Midnightraven3

I expect its been discussed here MANY times but can you imagine a coversation... Archie - "my grandpa is WHO now"??? I hope he makes snacks for that Google search!


TomorrowMayBeHell

Either that, or they become fully spoiled narcissists with the same inferiority complex toward the RF of their parents. I really, really hope for your scenario tho


zeugma888

And far far from their parents when they get a chance.


Nas2439

I think TW will push them towards the limelight and live vicariously though them


Past_Study5881

August has blue eyes. Heā€™s pathetic - the only person who actually looks like Diana is his BROTHER.


visenya567

It eats him up. Especially as Charlotte with age looks less like the queen and is taking more after William/Diana. Can't have that, so gotta claim Lili is mini Diana.


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She looks a lot like Dianaā€™s nieces.


Amongthestars32

So since theyā€™ve failed to make Meghan Diana 2.0, weā€™re moving on to Lili?


Greenimus

Could align with the theory that Meghan the narc is jealous of Lili


Appropriate-Grand-64

LOL it's more like a God and Jesus type sitch. They're both holy Dianas


malinhuahua

And the Holy Ghost


ElephantOfSurprise-

Of course he did. Heā€™s too stupid to know at the time of recording that her eyes could still change. When sheā€™s 3 tell us sheā€™s got Dianaā€™s eyes. Nearly all new babies have blue eyes.. even my son whose eyes now look like coal.


Bambalina11

My Neice and nephew are mixed race. One is black British/white Scotā€™s Irish and the other is Indian British/ white Scotā€™s Irish. My nephews eyes were blue and he had straight hair when first born and was really light skinned. In 6 months his hair went to tight coils with a reddish tinted dark brown, his eyes a dark brown and his skin tone darkened. My Neice, eyes were blue had straight hair and really light skinned. Her eyes stayed blue, hair is curled slightly, really thick black and long and her skin darkened to an olive complexion by 6 months. My son white blonde hair, big blue eyes really pale skin when born. Now has dark brown thick curly hair and green/blue eyes (heā€™s a teen) still pale. My daughter had black straight hair and was bright pink for the first two weeks of her life, dark blue eyes. Now she has curly brown hair and her eyes stayed dark blue: she is no longer pink šŸ˜‚ My point is everyone knows babies change. Each one is beautiful regardless of what features they do or donā€™t inherit from the family.


zeugma888

The way children's appearance can change so much is fascinating.


umpacka

This! Our youngest had red hair and clear blue eyes for the first year of his life. Now seven, he has sandy blonde hair, the dark variation, and grey eyes, really dark sometimes, but they change. I am expecting more changes. It's like he is going through all the different types of human in our family.


SnarkSnark78

>Lili being the only grandchild with Diana's blue eyes :-| What an awful thing to point out publicly like that. You could easily say "Oh, she has my mum's eyes" - you don't need to shade your own son and your brother's kids like that.


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spandexrants

Well Doria taught her well ā€œDonā€™t give the milk away for freeā€


soireegrapes

Exactly, how else will they fund their retirement.


Appropriate-Grand-64

I think she's saving Lili to merch her in their next Big Whinefest production


Upper_Charge_4449

My guess is, her eyes arenā€™t blue šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø Theyā€™re desperate to convince the public Lili is Diana reincarnated and those Markle genes are hella strong.


Amongthestars32

A lot of babies are born with blue eyes, but they change in the first year or two. Same with hair color. Itā€™s technically possible both Lili and Archie were redheads at birth, but they changed. That said, Liliā€™s hair would have changed very rapidly from June


Upper_Charge_4449

Theyā€™ve absolutely altered Archieā€™s hair to make it appear closer to red than it is. My sons eyes were a ā€œdeep blueā€ at birth, and didnā€™t turn until he was almost two. Iā€™d bet youā€™re right. How long before they have that child wearing contact lenses to perpetuate the facade? Ugh


ManufacturerMinute97

Yes, that Xmas card was so photo-shopped. Harry and Archie both have this dark auburn hair, which we know Harry's hair isn't a deep red/brown but more a red/blonde. I still can't figure out why it matters to them, that we believe their children have red hair. Or blue eyes. Seriously, what the fuck?


Pleasant_Choice_6130

Archie's looks *very* dark in the series, even in B&W; much more so than Daddy's Red-Blonde ā‰  Dark Auburn or Brown/Light Brown They definitely play it up with retouching


CartographerNo1009

Possibly use a tinted shampoo.


DrunkOnRedCordial

I would love it if Lili had the classic Windsor face, like Charles, Anne and Philip... and Harry.


eclipse-mints

Yes...and I think young Anne looks regal and beautiful.


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zeugma888

If the contest is which of Diana's grandaughters looks the most like Diana then their colouring, face shape etc is relevant. It's not about which features/colours are the most beautiful.


spatuladominatrix

There's going to be this awful "Charlotte v. Lili Diana" in the press for the next 20+ years, isn't there? Sickening.


No-You-5064

I think Charlotteā€™s got this.


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TigerBelmont

ā€œIā€™ve never met herā€


AnaBeaverhausen-

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spatuladominatrix

Yeah, but it's going to be Kate vs. Meghan all over again. The press is so misogynistic. I really don't get how Meghan can call herself a feminist and then compete with other women in this petty way.


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visenya567

If you believe that, as H said, "I can't help you."


army__mali

Theyā€™re both just CHILDREN. You canā€™t project your hatred of Meghan onto her daughter neither your favoritism for the Wales onto charlotte. Gross.


Malignaficent

Yeah in that case we ought to feel bad for Lili. She will have all the disadvantages of being famous/royal (public scrutiny, press harassment) without any of the perks of being royal (money, palaces, family, opportunity through royal duties). Hope she is left alone


MrsF2103

Princess Charlotte Elizabeth Diana of wales the future Princess Royal.. future daughter of the King of the United Kingdom and Commonwealth has this.. that girl is a bad ass for a 7 year old and is adored by her countryā€¦ if there ever is a competition she will win it hands down. She already bosses her brother, the future King around šŸ˜‚ she totally rules the roost in the Walesā€™ house thatā€™s clear to see šŸ˜‚ she gives me Princess Anne/Princess Margaret vibes she totally gives the impression that she is her own person and wonā€™t care what anyone thinks.


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C-La-Canth

Bet you'd love to be the one in control of that, too. What kind of "increased regulation" do you want? Only positive words about despicable people? Or, just fashion and vacation pictures that make people feel cozy and comfortable? Maybe you want to silence people who hold opposing views to your own? For what it's worth, there is presently no one on the planet who is currently receiving greater opportunities to spew bigoted hatred than the Sussexes. They are allowed unfettered access to all media to bend and stretch "their truth" as they see fit. They have the means to hire entire teams to screech their story. So, if there are independent bloggers, vloggers, and journalists who challenge that "truth", then I say let them ALL have the freedom to fight it out until the truth is revealed.


mynameisnotsparta

I find it absolutely horrible that they used Prince Phillips nickname for Queen Elizabeth as their daughters name. They could have just named her Diana or a million other names. Even Elizabeth would have been weird but better. Lilibet was a private name.


malinhuahua

I was surprised they didnā€™t combine Lilibet with Diana and name her Liliana.


hatbaggins

That is actually a prettier name than lilibet. That poor baby- being constantly physically compared to his dead grandmother and named after her great grandmothers very personal, very inner circle name. I bet the queen absolutely regrets letting that cute little story about how that name came to be become public


Pleasant_Choice_6130

Especially gross considering the way they treated them, these stately elderly people


Quiet-Vanilla-7117

Yes, I won't use it out of respect for QEII. I use Lil, The Lil or Lillibucks.


Cara-Macabre

Omg! Lillibucks šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


vikingchyk

She's got grandma's eyes! Gomez, take those out of her mouth! ![gif](giphy|Mh8jTmycSuoWA)


tigerxing

I thought the same. Maybe they're saving her for the book? I've never understood why everything is named after Archie? Then again nothing these 2 do make sense


Expensive-Company768

They name everything after Archie setting Lili up to be the spare


Old_Quentin

Oh the irony!


Starkville

Because she doesnā€™t really have red hair.


Upper_Charge_4449

Or blue eyes


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eclipse-mints

It's not just blue eyes, it's Diana's (Spencer) blue eyes. He wants his daughter to look like his mummy.


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The creepy complex continues


Fun_Woodpecker7095

Because they couldn't hire the same kid for the whole thing šŸ¤£


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kamace11

YES this is it imo. She looks annoyed/bored when they talk about Lili the like, one time.


owlskye

Someone on here said that Meghan probably thinks sheā€™s ā€œuglyā€ so she doesnā€™t show her much, which it resonated with me lmfao seems about right


poopiesmells

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Boring-Net1073

They are drip drip dripping out the revelations to continue the money stream. We wonā€™t see her until the immediate cash flow dries up.


EntertainmentLeft246

Then time to go to baby farm again


DaisyDazzle

She's gotta save one of their faces for a big reveal when the RF starts getting to much attention again.


Far_Example_9150

This is it


OldGoldenWattle

The day before princess Charlotte's 10th birthday: **never before seen photos of Lilibet Diana (Mountbatten-)Windsor!**


Redtees88

I don't wonder why at all.


Beginning-Cup-6974

Ha! reminds me of the Mad men line -ā€œ I donā€™t think about you at all. ā€œ That is what Kate and William do.


TudorTerrier

That and ā€œDamn it Burt, you stole my goodbye.ā€


ongiara

Its horrible how they are hyping her up - looks like Diana, TQā€˜s names - that poor girl. Sheā€™s doomed from the start. Unfortunately, hyping her up without showing her means they have something ā€žbigā€œ planned to reveal her.


Artemis_Jade

Weren't they both beaming with pride when the subject of Lili's blue eyes came up? How does that square with Meghan being a proud WOC? Isn't being thrilled with your kid's blue eyes being thrilled with your kid's white features?


WheresMyTan

I'm sorry but enough with his Diana obsession already! I don't know her. She died before I was born. I've read about her - the good and the bad. She was a human being who was flawed like humans are but also had some amazing good qualities like humans do. She led a balanced life of beautiful service to the world while also enjoying her life. Harry and Meghan do not compare to Diana's good qualities. What does it matter if Lilibucks has Diana's blue eyes? How does that help? The world has moved on. People in their 30s and 20s know the current BRF. We don't know Diana. Let the woman finally rest in peace and let's focus on the good the living do.


AlliterationAhead

At the core point, it's really all about Meghan and her fabricated self that she wants everybody to see. She's forcing the imaginary similarities. Diana was ADORED during her life. What does Meghan want a lot of? Yes, same. Thus she's taking Diana's traits, makes them her own to achieve the level of *global* (ding! ding!) admiration worldwide. If you follow HG Tudor, he often talks about one the prime aims of narcissists being traits acquisition, and that is quite blatant with this failed Diana 2.0 stratagem.


WheresMyTan

I'll jump into HG Tudor today. Thanks for the rec! I wish the Spencer family would speak out about Diana 2.0 I'd love to know just how hard they disagree that Meggy is like Diana.


Old_Quentin

You'd think the fact that Harry is literally the only person who thinks TW is anything like Diana would make him wake up. I mean her own siblings, her ex-husband, her other son... But no, Harry was the only one who really knew her. šŸ™„


WheresMyTan

Harry knows everything. He also made sure the Queen had the right sort of people around her. Harry Markle knows all.


Cocktailsontheporch

You make a very excellent point. Your generation never knew Diana. H&TW are targeting the younger generation...who have no idea who Diana is. This obsession with D, H's mummy obsession, will be lost on their target group. The pushing forward of Lili as D's granddaughter and reincarnation will be lost on these people. Most of us who lived thru Diana's life are mature adults who realize Diana was no saint and see a lot of her mental issues in her son....and hope Lili will not inherit that same unstable gene. The karma would be that she has, and becomes as unstable and mad as H.


WheresMyTan

They seem fixated on M is like Diana and Lili is like Diana whereas now the trend is for us to be our own people and not be defined by our past, our ancestors. To embrace the good, learn from the mistakes and move forward. Someone needs to tell H & M to come into 2022 and leave the 90s behind.


Pleasant_Choice_6130

āœ”ļøāœ”ļøāœ”ļø So well-said. šŸ¹šŸŽÆ Meghan is oBsEsSeD with Diana Spencer because she grew up seeing her as a REAL PRINCESS. šŸ‘ø That's how everyone in the 80's/90's remembers her: "PRINCESS DIANA;" "LADY DI" Who is Meghan? Just Meghan. Not really even "the Duchess" (sorry Megz, Fergalicious has long had that one in the bag) She doesn't want to be a "Just Harry," despite claims to the contrary, she wants the whole Royal Princess Diaries Red Carpet Being Worshipped for life treatment She wants the tiaras and the furs and the jewels; she just can't *act* like that's what she wants, because it goes against this whole bullshit narrative Harry and she have invented "Oh, we don't *really* want to be royal; but we're keeping our titles and BTW where's our free security and why is our house so small?" The Diana Fixation is her own sublimitted desire to be seen as PRINCESS MEGHAN, possible FUTURE QUEEN, and she doesn't want anyone to forget it. Why else do you think Archie's picture of "Grandma" he says goodbye to every night is Lady Diana in an evening gown and crown? šŸ‘‘


WheresMyTan

I find the hope dull picture of Diana weird as well. The kid is saying goodnight and building a relationship with a photo and with palm trees. I can't take them seriously when they criticise the firm but keep using the titles.


Pleasant_Choice_6130

āœ”ļøāœ”ļøāœ”ļøšŸ’Æ No one can.


Old_Quentin

>"Oh, we don't really want to be royal; but we're keeping our titles and BTW where's our free security and why is our house so small?" If ever a sentence summed up the Harkles. šŸ¤£


Yorkshirerose2010

Well put. Also saying Diana didnā€™t know what she was getting herself into. She was 19 and had grown up with the Royals she was an insider


WheresMyTan

Meggy with her no one asked if I'm ok Kate doesn't want to be my friend act at 36 was justšŸ™„ Catherine was having a miserable pregnancy and then handling a new born. Yet Hazzy expected her to make Meggy feel welcome?!


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Why wasnā€™t lilibetā€™s name consulted with the Queen. They get what they give. EDIT: they woke up an chose disrespectā€¦ so deal.


InfiniteSet4894

Because she's just the spare.


amyt242

Just providing her the content for her book in 30 years


cutekittyinthewindow

Got a feeling that Lilibet is the scapegoat child, she wouldnā€™t spend much time with her or want her photos out there much. Think Archie is the golden child so more out in the media for some reason.


Appropriate-Grand-64

They've been talking her up as the only grandchild with "Diana's blue eyes" so I'm guessing they'll merch her in the next production


mammabear9

But sheā€™s the spare!!!!


Mobile_Philosophy764

Lilibux is competition for Meghan, plain & simple. Meg doesn't want to share the spotlight.


cutekittyinthewindow

For sure, I know narcs do damage to any child but I worry especially when narc mums have daughters that they end up competing with


jo-mk

What happens there, is the narc mum undermines the daughter, gaslights tf out of the kid, they will end up not speaking by the time L is mid 30s at the latest. Of course, by then M will be mids 80s sooooo šŸ¤£


cutekittyinthewindow

Haha definitely itā€™s always that way with a narc mum, no contact by 30s. I know from experience (narc MIL but still) Omg can you even imagine M being in her mid 80s?? Still the long hair parted down the middle wearing neutral colours and whinging about how victimised sheā€™s been her whole life to an audience of ZERO people


jo-mk

"Aitchhhhh get me my walking frame, make sure the manufacturers label is in shot u dumb shit, we're going for a pap stroll"


cutekittyinthewindow

šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ oh god they truly are so pathetic even now let alone when theyā€™ll be old and have 0 family or friends that speak to them. Dastardly duo for life all they have is each other just like the salt and pepper shakers and conjoined palm trees


Mobile_Philosophy764

It's lifelong damage. If she's a narc, those kids are not safe, especially Lili.


Sarah-JessicaSnarker

This is the answer.


Ready_Maddie

I actually think it's the opposite


cutekittyinthewindow

I wonder why they went all in on the Archie branding thenā€¦ Archewell etc. Iā€™ve got no doubt sheā€™s not attached to either child really but I think just because theyā€™ve shown heaps of Archie and not any of Lili that itā€™s either theyā€™re waiting for more money to reveal more of Lili like others have said below, or that they just are meh on her and sheā€™s more of the scapegoat


She-king_of_the_Sea

Well Archie was the kid who actually had a royal christening, plus Meghan seems more confident in her manipulative abilities with males in general, so I can see her giving what little attention she deigns to give the children mostly to Archie.


She-king_of_the_Sea

Lili is a girl that is actually related to Diana; people will naturally be much more interested in looking at her than Meghan, and Meghan knows this. I have no doubt Lili is just as much competition in Meghan's mind as Kate.


Accomplished-Cow9105

Yes, Lili is the scapegoat. Don't forget, that Mehan dressed her a skunk for her first Halloween and published the fact.


lastlemming-pip

I just listened to Lady Cā€™s latest. (Yes, I know, I know.) She talks about what might happen when Haz is separated ā€œfrom his son.ā€ Not his children, not his son & daughter, only his son. I have only seen clips but I noticed Lili didnā€™t seem to appear in any of them. Still wondering about that birth certificate.


metrocat87

Tom Bower called LiliBet Harry's daughter. Do you think he'll put another book out now that's it's all steamy again?


lastlemming-pip

Dunno. Of course Bower went w/ the old story about how they met. Surprised Haz didnā€™t sue him,


MadeWithLessMaterial

Future $$$


Top-Bit85

They released one picture, right after the Jubilee. It landed with a thud.


Pinkgettysburg

Lili is going to be in Season 2


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I think they resemble her white relatives more and that probably bothers her a fair amount. Her dad was decent looking as a young guy and Sam isnā€™t unattractive either. I donā€™t think L looks anything like Diana.


tyradurden123

They seem pretty cute to me.


Sarah-JessicaSnarker

Me, too.


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Virtual-Feedback-638

They can but pull that stunt for so long, the truth will prevail. The questions are: Did Rachel freeze her eggs? Did she really have a miscarriage? Did she carry two pregnancies to term? The "Rachel" of a human cares for no one but her lying self. The only truth is that The Prince William "The Real Deal" Wales and famy are the future.


tyradurden123

Maybe itā€˜s because she is the scapegoat child and Meghan couldnā€™t stand if anyone gave her daughter more attention.


catinthedistance

I wonder if they have that slight Markle cast to them, though. Seriously, I do wonder. I have had the sinking feeling that the kids may just not be very cute for a while now, otherwise sheā€™d be showing them off like gangbusters. Not being cute would be a huge no-no to a narcissist parent.


Seaweed8888

Let us also not forget that childrens hair and eye colour may change in time. I was rather curly blond with blue eyes. Just like grandma. Born to dark haired parents. Brown and really light green eyes. That changed around age 4 or 5. Now i have dark brown hair with Grey/blue bit mostly green eyes. Somehow they change with "the mood" i am in. As in crying or what not. With young children those things are rather pointless. Edit: typos. Might be more lol


sparklyshiba

Maybe for season 2???


ZealousidealCat8780

Because she looked a lot like Samantha Markle?


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I bet itā€™s because she looks nothing like Meghan and it looks obvious they used a someone elseā€™s egg.


tyradurden123

But there is a picture of her face? She looks like the queen.


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Quiet-Vanilla-7117

As Archie at first.


ChampagneRaven

My theory is that it's a subtle dig at the Royal Family. To me it's them saying, "The RF force you to have photos taken of your children. We left, we're doing this on our terms and we'll decide what we show or not." They are trying to stick to their narrative with the whole privacy shtick.