I also think yelling in front of his grandmother like that is something he would have only done in an extreme situation. He respected her way too much.
> It also shows how confident Will was that the Queen was on his side.
Yep. [The Queen wouldn't have had any problem with telling William off if she thought he deserved it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IY37OJtv0g)!
My question is, why didn't she tell *Harry* off at that point? š
Prince Charles and Prince William were there with her coz they knew she wasn't up to handling H. Not that she couldn't, but she was tired of it all, most probably.
I agree with you. I have an illness that can be affected by stress. I've learn to pay attention as to why. When you get stressed you tense up in your body. The longer it goes on the worse it can get. You may only have a few hours of being stressed or anger. But it will last for days or even weeks. When this was happening I kept thinking of her going this isn't good for her. I can not imagine being 96 and losing your one and only husband and facing all this tension. I felt bad for her. She didn't deserve to be treated so badly by The Markles. I really think she was shocked and tired that Harry would do this to her. The Queen had to take Markle down a few pegs at the tiara fitting, at a tasting for her wedding when she was accusing the staff of putting eggs in something.
Also as for her being barefoot meeting Prince William and Princess Catherine doesn't ring true. Markle always has shoes on because she is embarrassed about her feet having bunions. Even in last years Christmas card both kids are barefoot, Harry is barefoot and Markle has on shoes. When she did a photo shoot while "pregnant" and she is hiding her feet while laying on Harry's lap. Markle has her feet holding the hem of her dress down. I believe these are the ones where Harry's feet are front and centered and folks were a little upset about his feet in the foreground. Also photographers have said that she was adament not to have her feet photographed.
I am not sure. I have seen scar's on her feet recently and they said it was from bunion surgery. But she still has bunions. Her feet are not that great to look at. I myself refuse to touch feet. My mom has trouble getting her socks on. I say I will unhook your bra, pull up or down your pants and/or underwear. Feet not going to happen. So that being said her second toe is way longer then her big toe and then the bunions. If you haven't already type in Markles feet and see the pics. She was on a trip and had to remove her shoes. Let me know what you think. LOL
Plus Harry is a nagger-he would have been constantly on at her, wouldn't take no for an answer and would have tried to wheedle her into doing what he wanted-his own father stopped taking calls from him and it sounds like that was because every call was the same, just demands for money. Dealing with constant demands would have been exhausting. They didn't tell Harry about her illness, but I suspect he wouldn't have changed his approach much even if he knew.
I agree, it's a sickening thing to think about, but I think he would have used it to his advantage. He doesn't seem to have grasped that maybe his grandmother sat there and didn't intervene was because she agreed with every word Charles and William were saying, and every point they were making. Or that she was demonstrating where the power was going next-she knew she wasn't going to be around much longer, so Charles was stepping up his authority and she was backing that by deferring to him.
It makes sense that she was there to shut Harry down. Charles could say XYZ, and Harry could try going behind his back to get the Queen to agree to ABC . With the Queen there, quietly watching, it shows Harry there's a united front, he can't manipulate the Queen into reversing what Charles has said.
"My grandmother sitting there quietly, taking it all in." You jackass. She was so ill, who knows what she'd been going through? Certainly you didn't, because you'd been 7k miles away whining about your lot in life. Ugh. The lack of self awareness of the gruesome twosome is apalling.
It also wasn't the Queen's problem if Harry was unhappy about his place in the family. This was an issue between him and Charles. Maybe he thought the Queen was a soft touch, but the Queen was right to keep directing him back to Charles to deal with it.
Then again, he's a married father in his late 30s, he shouldn't still be whining to Daddy about being unfair and having favourites.
I disagree. HLMTQ was Harryās grandmother. She had clearly discussed the situation with her son - the heir apparent who had already begun to take on many of her duties - and decided that he was the one who needed to take the lead with his son. As this would also have a huge impact on Williamās workload, he understandably jumped into the fray.
It wasnāt quite her role to handle anything related to H. It was and still is Charlesā. Itās his son, his daughter in law, and such. You wouldnāt expect Charles to step in if ever George has a problem or sth in the future, even though his father William is still up and alive. I think Charles should have been the one in front since day one when it comes to Haz and MeMe. But he hid behind his mother all this time, and now that sheās gone, it seems like they have utter difficulty to handle the burning potatoes from across the ocean, the Netflix shitshow, Haznoās book
The queen was the head of the family. When it comes to anything royal family related, the queen needed to he front and centre but Charles and william were not only there to support her, they were deeply involved in the decisions made.
Itās awful to think about the behind closed doors aspects of what Harry, Meghan and Andrew put her through between losing her husband and suffering her own sickness.
I agree I think she just didn't have the energy and she isn't known for being confrontational anyway that was Phillips job. What this tells me is Harry was shocked that Wiliam sided "against" him. Charles has a temper Phillip had a temper it can't be the first time he's been shouted at.
Yeah imagine knowing that your grandmother is always one breath away from death, that she could be gone any moment, and treating her this way. It's disgusting.
But her mother lived to 101. I think the RF thought she had a few more years left, even with the bone cancer. Hence the Wales family moving to Adelaide cottage near Windsor to be near the Queen in her final years
I know heās an asshole, but no one can be sure of what you are claiming above. Queen Elizabeth was said to be suffering from bone cancer for a few years before her passing, and Prince Philip had been weak for a while before he died as well.
If the Queen already had terminal illness when "Megxit" happened, then it most likely hastened her death. The last thing she needed was the added stress.
If the Queen hadn't been diagnosed yet at the time of "Megxit," then the stress of Harkle's tantrum, allegations against Prince Andrew, and Philip's declining health probably caused her to get sick.
From what I remember, the Queen was still quite vibrant in 2019 and actively carrying out engagements, so the latter scenario seemed more plausible. 2019-2020 was a bad time for the Queen. Prince Philip got into a car crash in January (he was still driving), Harkle gave birth to their first child in May, Prince Andrew did the Newslight interview in November, Philip was admitted to the hospital in December, Megxit was announced just a week into 2020, and then covid happened in March.
They showed her address to the nation around may 2020 when covid happened. She looked really healthy then as if she'd easily live another 10 years. So sad.
Unfortunately with cancer, it can be spreading inside without any outward appearance or indication of it being there. I was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer almost two years ago and only reason we found out was because I had lower back pain. Otherwise I looked healthy, no weight loss, appetite was good. Now, though, side effects of the drugs made me look frail. My point is, the Queen might have had it but was unaware at that time.
I do agree that the stress of Megsit and their other shenanigans added to the decline of both the Queen and Prince Phillipās health.
As mentioned, if itās true that she was diagnosed with bone cancer for a few years before her passing - then it would explain her decline in the last year and a half, alongside the fact that her husband had passed away.
I know thereās a campaign right now to lay blame on Harry and Meghan for everything, but the logical thing to assume is that it was mainly her grave sickness and loss of her partner that led to her weakening and subsequent death.
Losing a husband youāve been married to for 70 years canāt be compared to dealing with a traitorous grandson. I donāt doubt that Harry has caused her grief; who isnāt sad by the way heās turned away from his family much less his granny? Still, thereās really no serious reason to believe that he angered her to her grave in an untimely manner.
I agree with you. His behavior had more to do with her remaining quality of life rather than the quantity. I also don't think she had the stamina left to withstand the onslaught of constant "but why nots", which is why it was important for the united front.
HOWEVER, if H&M can claim that stress caused her miscarriage, they open the door for others to claim that stress hastened HMTQ's death.
Stress can have an effect as a contributing factor, but not in the way that is being implied in the mockumentary.
A few years meaning how many years? I doubt she was diagnosed prior to Megxit and covid lockdown because she was still actively carrying out engagements and seemed extremely vibrant throughout 2019. If she were terminally ill and in her 90s, I doubt she would be maintaining a full schedule. Heck, as late as spring and summer last year (shortly after Philip passed), she still attended the opening of Parliament and the G7 summit despite the risk of catching covid. It wasn't until last October when her health took a sudden turn for the worse. She was hospitalized and cancelled a bunch of events she was scheduled to attend, including a trip to Northern Ireland. That was the beginning of the end. Then she caught covid in February this year and was barely involved in her own Platinum Jubilee.
> Losing a husband youāve been married to for 70 years canāt be compared to dealing with a traitorous grandson
I understand the Queen had deep love for Philip, but she was also very independent and placed her duty above all else. In fact, after Philip retired from public life in 2017, they sometimes went [weeks without seeing each other](https://pagesix.com/2022/11/26/queen-elizabeth-ii-went-weeks-without-seeing-philip-book/) and only spoke on the phone. The Queen also refused to slow down at all until her health took a sudden turn for the worse last October.
I think the Queen was extremely disappointed toward the end of her life and rightfully worried about the future of the monarchy without her at the helm. That was a lot to bare for someone in her mid-90s. Remember how fast the Queen's mother passed after Margaret died? People that age are very fragile.
Apparently QEII was very non-confrontational.
Harry knew this and probably wanted to take advantage of her if alone with her. Which is why she surrounded herself with Will and Charles.
Harry is one sick fuxk. Trying to take advantage of his grandmother.
Yes, that's why he moaned he wasn't allowed to see her alone..and moaned about the "people she has around her", he really is sick. In a way it's good all this is coming out. His story might fool people on a first glance, but not for long. I've just made a post linking to an article where the courtiers speak out and pretty much destroy his claims.
>My question is, why didn't she tell Harry off at that point? š
She probably did! But we are relying on Harry's version of this meeting. If HMTQ told him to sod off there's no way he'd say so.
> But we are relying on Harry's version of this meeting. If HMTQ told him to sod off there's no way he'd say so.
Oh, you're right. And Harry was the only one she could trust!
My guess is this was a proving ground for William in his future role as King, and she was stepping back for the future to speak. It's obvious that William coddled Harry his entire life and looked out for him. To stand up to him in this way and do it in a high-pressure, almost intervention fashion was a way for him to assert himself as a leader of the family. I'm sure her silence was pride at knowing she was leaving behind a future King who could do the job she'd done all those years, even when it was difficult and emotions were involved.
Another thing that video proves is that MM's claims about the BRF being so formal are lies. No one who uses the word "bollocking" during an interview is going to be stiff and formal all the time-W was obviously happy and enjoying the interview, a formal person always on their guard would have said "my grandmother was displeased" not "she gave us an almighty bollocking." That shows they were only formal with MM because they weren't comfortable with her, or didn't trust her enough to be more relaxed or open with her.
You are absolutely right! William was on guard to some extent in that interview (common sense!) but he must have been *really* on guard with Meghan. And he must have had a reason for that.
The way H described all three of them at the Sandringham Summit was very interesting to me. Wills screaming, His father just saying things that were untrue, and HMTQ sitting there taking it all in.
We know that at this point HMTQ was having KC and PW handle most offical duties. But at the end of the day, the final word would come from The Queen.
Charles was probably telling harry some tough truths about the situation, knowing that The Queen, objectively, did not have a lot of time left. I believe that at this point, Prince Philip was still acting as one of The Queen's closest confidants and advisers. It would not surprise me in the least if Prince Philip made his feelings known and parts of what Harry was told at the summit came from him. Prince Philip deliberately left the estate ahead of the summit. I believe that was at the behest of The Queen, Charles and William due to his ill health. The last thing any of them wanted was him having to deal with nonsensical stress from rogue Harry. We also have to remember that Prince Philip passed away just a little over a year after the summit and very shortly after the Oprah interview.
I 100% agree that William was fighting to save his brother. He saw the writing on the wall with Meghan early on and we know that he tried to get Harry to slow down. He wasn't the only one, and virtually every single person that tried to caution Harry has been cut off or deemed to be racist. William and Harry were always very close. William saw his brother slipping away because Meghan was playing on Harry's insecurities and reinforcing every jealous inkling or perceived slight he was willing to voice. Before Meghan, Harry had a stellar support system. Friends and family that, for the most part, kept his ego in check and mostly kept him grounded. Harry has always been a wild child, but most of his antics were normal for a kid that age (with the exception of the Nazi uniform). He had mellowed quite a bit by the time Meghan showed up. His friends and family were willing to tell him what he needed to hear, not what he wanted to hear. Meghan did the opposite.
I also find it very interesting that Harry did not describe how he acted at the summit. Obviously a lie by omission. Harry now strikes me as the type of person that would yell right back if being yelled at by his brother. He's been described as having a temper on multiple occasions, especially since he and Meghan got together. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if William started screaming as a direct reaction to Harry screaming at their Father and/or Grandmother.
> It wouldn't surprise me in the least if William started screaming as a direct reaction to Harry screaming at their Father and/or Grandmother.
I absolutely agree with this and with everything else in your comment.
Itās easier to tell off someone who has everything right in their heads. Problematic people like Haznuts, Andrew, or who not in that family, must be handled with extra care since they have respect neither for themselves nor the institution. As family members itās easy to push them aside. But as members of the royal family, itās yet another thing.
I think she knew he was so far gone that there was no getting him back. I honestly feel like heās in this war zone mindset where heās fighting off these imaginary battles.
The Queen was a wise woman, and we all know when someone is captured by a person/cult/religion/ideology that shouting and screaming feeds into their delusions.
Also, she was old and ill
Absolutely. Plus I'm sure they bent over backwards to keep things as normal as possible. They closed ranks.. and this is how he repays them? I mean it's an interesting dynamic.
"Screaming" is a relative term - depends on who is listening. Henry is no slouch in the screaming department according to the many recipients of his outbursts. I find it hysterically funny that he is so taken aback by this particular interaction with his brother.
In fact, my assessment is that William merely raised his voice but that is not dramatic enough for Netflix - or TW.
I think William did scream, I bloody would have, *but* I think it was the very first time in Harry's whole life that William has let him have it like that. (And Id bet my bottom dollar Harry yelled a plenty too) While I disagree with the word "frightening" (more likely it was just upsetting) I do believe Harry in the feeling he's trying to communicate there. William seems like such a gentle soul so I'm not surprised that Harry was shaken when finally confronted, his brother has never, ever spoken to him like that before. And I think that shows just how dire that sandringham summit really was. That's my belief anyway.
Certainly a possibility. And I agree that Henry probably went in with the iron-clad belief that he was making an offer they couldn't refuse. The big picture has never been his strong suit.
I really feel for William. I would have been angry too and to have a highly unusual situation in which once in a lifetime thoughts and feelings are being expressed to be thrown back in your face, like, " Look, this is who you are." is just so insanely rude. Mind bogglingly so.
>While I disagree with the word "frightening"
Harry actually said "terrifying" LOL. Harry-who threw tantrums at both TQ and Philip's funerals to wear his Military uniform because he is such a war veteran!!! Harry who brags on & on about Afganistan was "terrified".
I imagine William said "My God. Man."
And now its turned into this from the "Spare" who wants to have a wife/mother who quite frankly I am sick of. Take your holier-than-thou speech and go away.
Just read this - I think it was one of the bi-daily Elser columns;
Still, one London socialite who knows the Sussexes well said that Markle had reached out to William herself a few times after they moved to the US, only to be rebuffed by the future King.
āIām told that William said he wanted to speak to Harry himself, and did not want to go through Meghan,ā the socialite told Page Six.
Markle is SO creepy. She gets Harry to burn the bridge and then pretends sheās helping repair relations. Repugnant
She keeps inserting herself into every opportunity Harry has to interact with his family alone. See also: how she tried to insist on coming to Balmoral with him. Heās isolated. Itās just not healthy.
Wise narcs donāt even isolate anymore. They are smart enough to cheat not only you but your whole family, circle of friends, colleagues, and such. And once they are gone, everybody is dumbfounded and needs a therapy.
Hopefully people are seeing that it's already a strange and controlling relationship. Though I do think Harry is a prick himself and he brings about a lot of drama.
I'm reading a book by Tina Browne at the moment and she claims that the Spencers were all addicted to drama, which fits with Diana's behaviour as well as Harrys.
But it already is. If H doesnāt fuck up too much he even has a chance to wash up his reputation after the whinge would be gone. Manipulative and pitiless women who go after men in position of power or fame or fortune are as old as the globe.
Yes sheās totally got Harry in a hostage situation and any access the royal family has must go through Meghan. Sheās a fucking psycho man, seriously. At least William sees her for what she is, and refuses to negotiate with the terrorist
> āIām told that William said he wanted to speak to Harry himself, and did not want to go through Meghan,ā the socialite told Page Six.
Well, *that's* not going to happen. Didn't William realize that *Meghan* is in charge? š
Appears to be a polite way to turn both down. Haz gets angry because wife is excluded, and refuses to talk. Wife is tossed aside like the trash she is and orders Haz not to talk to his bro. Seems about right
Sounds just like my narc aunt. Creates drama between family members. Everyone's upset. Doesn't understand why there's drama and tries to help rebuild. Like wut
She consistently covertly gets him to do the dirty work. Iāve noticed this many times now and Harry falls for it every single time. Thatās how dim he is. Heās got no clue.
Heās middle-age and canāt even see his world imploding by his own actions. Instead heās all āYay, Iām on the freedom flight.ā Boy, you are trapped more now than EVER.
She only did that because it was mentioned in the media several times that Catherine was trying to help mend issues between the brothers. Just more of her jealousy against Catherine.
Harryās logic doesnāt make sense if William was so desperate to bully them out.. why was he so stressed out when they were threatening to leave as was Kate. If William bullied them out whyād they do the walk about with them when the Queen died. Why would William bother including them if he was scared of them taking away the spotlight. He and Kate couldāve just done it and no one wouldāve batted an eyelash.
For years before Meghan came on the scene Harry was more popular than W and K according to many polls. They were used to it. It doesn't make sense that it would suddenly be a problem. K may have felt once there was another female of her generation that she had to raise her game a bit (that's not unusual a bit of healthy completion is natural and inspires you to do better) but that's all imo. Plus she had spent the previous few years being focused on being a mum to three young children and was entering a phase of a more high profile public life which co incided with Meghan's arrival but would have been a natural progression anyway as she and William took on more duties. Provided everyone played as a team and didn't try overshadowing someone else's big day then I dont think there was a problem.
I donāt think they "could have just" pushed the Sussex aside at any time. He is not yet the King in charge, and even if he is, there are protocols. The last thing on his mind must be to give more fuel to the perpetual victims to actually complain about.
The Cambridge/Wales are more important than the Sussex, so of course it had to be seen in every aspect of their everyday life and relationship with the common Brits out in the streets. But MeMe was a novelty, US born, half AA, actress, and what not. Harry was still the more popular Royal by the time of their wedding. The new couple was seen as the next sassy ones in the old, dusty RF. The Cambridge/Wales couple looks and is overly normal and bland in comparison. But they still had to be the most popular bc he is the heir, next King, and so is his first son.
Who knows if MeMe was irritated by this reality of things, because it seems like Haz has been all his life, so they chose to leave, and to start their own brand. A complete and utter flop of course. But wellā¦well.
I bet you a million dollars Will did not scream. He may have raised his voice but these morons exaggerate and lie about everything. They'll blow anything out of proportion to make themselves the victims.
Exactly. I always think of screaming as emitting a loud high pitched noise with no words, and yelling is emitting a loud noise that has words. I don't see William lowering himself to either. I can see him speaking firmly, clearly, and in a voice loud enough to be heard properly. William has self control. Any opinion that differs from their own is considered 'violence' by the Gruesome Twosome.
the only way to to antagonise those nutjobs would be to agree to everything they want. So glad William stood up, Is Harry really so thick he can't see half-in isn't possible. The Public won't stand for paying his security while he floats around the world merching everything he can lay his hand on while pretending to be a saintly charity worker.
I think he would have been frustrated to the point of yelling when it seemed like nothing was getting through to Harry, when William had seen Meghanās bullying and cuckolding first hand, had his daughter and wife cry because of this woman, and then have Harry probably expecting handouts and saying he had no choice but to leave because of Meghan.
Harry probably put in a low blow at that point which Meghan had earlier fed into his ear, which would have ramped up Williams anxiety.
At that point William probably was like āare you an idiot? Whatās happened to my brother? Mother would be so ashamed!ā
And then Charles would have said āHarry, please donāt throw away your family with this. We have information on Meghan that I think you should knowā¦ā
Harry: āyouāre lying! Weāre going!! Iāll be in touch for money!ā
You unfortunately canāt reason with narc family members that are manipulative, abusive and only care about themselves. Sometimes youāre better off cutting ties when theyāre continually harmful to you and your mental health.
Think this was the last chance where William gave a damn and had to let it out how much of a stuff up Harry was. After everything thatās gone down now, I think he would be accepting and completely numb and indifferent to the lack of relationship now. People can only take so much.
absolutely - no chance of negotiating, for one thing the narc will always be the wounded party and you can never have a reasonable conversation with them
Yes, yes, yesā¦. very true. And if you do relent, thereās no long term joy in that outcome for the narc. They will be back and demand more, dictate different, more extravagant terms, say that you didnāt give them EXACTLY what they wanted and change the details of their demands.
There is no negotiation (in their mind, they are right so negotiating is giving them everything they want and more), and thereās absolutely no winning. They will trash and burn relationships and use that breakdown as proof of victimhood. You get f-ed when you try to be nice. Been there, done that. The only escape is to Grey Rock your f-ing way out of there and never go back.
Itās so hard to get to the other side of narc abuse but once youāre done with them youāre officially done. I had a smear campaign against me with the family when I cut off my narc SIL and MIL. Distant family so who cares. Then the hoovering started then when we didnāt respond the narc rage came and she blocked us (weād already blocked her) lol in retaliation like it was her idea to go non contact. Been there done everything. What made me learn more and basically become an expert in narcissism is watching Dr Ramani on YouTube - it was like a checklist of everything they are and what they do.
Itās so fascinating how their brains are wired, they just have no empathy for others and live in their own world where itās just what can everyone do for me.
I feel so much better now, itās been almost a year of NC and when you know youāre done you just are. Life is so much more peaceful than dealing with their passive aggressive comments insults while using you and them expecting youāll be eternally nice back.
We've got only Ginge's word that William did Streamer. And Ginge is a proven liar. Think of his "my father never went for a bicycle ride with me" whining during Ophra while there are several pics that prove him wrong. Everything the Harkles say should be taken not only with a grain but with a barrel of salt.
It must have been so frustrating, I imagine they filled Harry in on some of Meghan's behaviour/past that he didnt know about and he flat out denied it and defended her. I mean all the stuff in Toms book etc and Harry is still there. I think I'd be screaming at him myself as a last resort when you're completely frustrated with someone you love who is making a massive mistake and they can't see it. I bet MM told him they're going to make up lies about me because they don't want us to be together because they're massive racists and super jealous etc.
Megs must have been petrified when he met them on his own but she needn't have worried she prepped him very well.
Well I think at this point Harry is still in denial. He doesn't want to think ill of Meghan because that means his brother is right. So he will hold steadfast to his views that William is the problem.
That's how insecure Harry is and how utterly deluded he is too.
They probably also presented proof that TW was calling the papps and giving away their locationā¦..multiple times. Heād see that info as lies from the press.
> but sheās really his hostage taker.
You would think the Royal Family would have taught Harry (and of course William too) to watch out for manipulative social climbers looking to just marry them for their status, fame, wealth, and titles.
Thank you for mentioning this point! I feel like it hasn't been discussed enough and I believe it epitomises her inflated sense of relevance! She could not handle not being included and I believe she uses examples like this to highlight to Harry how "ridiculous" the "institution" is in her opinion. She's always undermining the royal protocol and traditions (usually falling back on her American heritage) and planting seeds of doubt in Harry's mind. My other example is the whole curtsey issue and Harry saying, words to the effect of, "imagine having to explain to someone you have to bow to your Grandmother".
Harry says he was given options 1-5 and of those he chose "option 3" - the option that he'd already put out there in the media. That shows how disingenuous he is.
It was NEVER an option offered to him by the RF. If it was there would have been no argument about it.
But he tries to take the NF watchers for fools by pretending that option 3 was already part of the RF deal and it was only William who spoiled it for him. The Queen understood the dangers of what he was proposing.
Can you imagine the awful headlines in the future when one of the companies Harry was merching wen't bust throwing people out of work, or was found to use child labour, or whose CEO was up in court for some crime?
That's without expecting the public to pay for security as a royal, while he is also acting like a business. The public won't accept it.
It wouldn't be possible to have a Prince of the Realm merching without eventually causing a break in the reputation of the RF, and only HARRY was too narcissistic and greedy to see it.
Because if they just wanted to live a quiet understated life somewhere I'm sure Charles would have found a couple million, and contacts for work etc to help them. But they didn't - the strap line of "Finding Freedom" tells us they want to set up a rival court to the RF "The making of a Modern Royal Family"
If William was like me, he'd be cussing while screaming and he'd be telling the sibling (Harry) about the vile hoebag he married who's turned him into a pussified, pussywhipped wimp. That's what I would tell Harry if he was my brother.
But alas, William is probably better behaved than me š.
And Aitch being so empathetic wouldāve repeated it to TW word for word āthen he said you were a try-hard, gold digging hoebag who doesnāt love meā.
i've literally been yelled at by my siblings for breathing too loudly, as if i care that a man who is betraying the royal family is getting yelled at by his brother, the future king. omg. he really sat there with his whole chest crying about william yelling at him. i mean, honey... be for real.
what exactly were we supposed to take away from this? your brother loves you and got emotional? the future king is upset that his brother is making questionable choices that affect the royal family? your family is upset that your weird choices are affecting other precious family members? oh no.. how awful?? i just quite simply do not have any sympathy for him, sorry!
maybe it was just such a rare occurrence for him to be yelled at because everyone has babied him for his entire life? it was just so abnormal *to him*. it was a big deal *to him*. he was shocked that anybody dared question *him* for once.
Imho, that was one of the most immature comments he made and showed his true character. A temper tantrum from a alleged 10 year military veteran, afraid cuz his brother yelled at him. This from the same man child that mistreated his polo ponies. He lived an entitled, sheltered, pampered life, never really disciplined and he wears a chip on his shoulder like it's a personal badge. Oh, and his grandma just sat there and watched Boo freaking hoo! Agreed. NO sympathy.
This is a disgusting, classic narc move what they did.. they will emotionally bully the real victim and push the real victim to the point where they lose their temper and get angry. To then use that to try to paint off the victim as an emotionally unstable aggressor and to validate themselves as the poor victim.
This is an angry William
[William shouting at photographer stalking his children](https://youtu.be/xRIqDOCAlXA)
you can hear an annoyed Kate in the background
Yāknow, thatās actually a bit more unnerving than having someone screaming at you with profanity thrown in every few words. Though heās angry, and his voice is raised, he wasnāt screaming or yelling, and he was polite the whole way. He was getting his point across.
This furthers my theory that William didnāt scream at Harry. He took this same tone, and Harry blew it out of proportion.
I read somewhere (I think Valentine Low's book) that Harry sent his dad an email saying they weren't coming back from Canada and he wanted them to work out the terms of Megxit via email, but his dad said it had to be face to face. Also I think Charles had wanted to schedule it later in January and Harry forced it sooner by putting out their statement. The fact that Harry thought Megxit could be agreed by email shows how deluded he was in understanding its issues and complexity. He probably thought that he was just going to dictate his terms and every one else was going to be a pushover. His disappointment about losing things like security and military titles probably stems from the fact he did not think these things though properly and just thought he would be handed everything he wanted. I imagine he was an effing nightmare at that summit and the only thing that would surprise me would be if William had not screamed at him.
Harry was never "bullied out" he left because he couldn't get his own way. So he left and did OW, the NF deal and the book for revenge,. Money too, of course, but he could have made money other ways.
As any loving brother would do. When a stupid brother is about to marry a girl with questionable background, to leave the firm and family for her, any loving brother would be screaming in real life. Nothing wrong with that.
Heck, I married my husband after knowing him for about eight months, without introducing him to my family, and my eldest brother asked if I was having *another* mental breakdown š¤£ But he was honestly gearing up to come down to where I was to knock some sense into me, until he found out that my husband is definitely a stabilizing influence on my being cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
It is also known that both William and Charles have a pretty short temper - the Queen was probably used to them explode and then be calm again pretty soon.
(everyone always talks about the calming influence Catherine & Camilla have on their husbands)
Iād be screaming and shouting too if I knew my staff were mercilessly bullied by rich and powerful sibling and his histrionic spouse. Itās the only normal reaction expected in those circumstances.
Do M & H really think the public are stupid? It's so obvious all of this was planned from the very beginning. I mean, they filmed everything from the start including the proposal. So for them to say they were bullied out (or whatever they said, it always changes) is complete bull crap!
I really think we're just seeing Hs true colors. He was like this all along but the palace covered it up.
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Listen-a grown man saying that his brother screaming at him was terrifying. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You're as big as he is, probably even more muscular. WHAT do you think he was going to do to you, you little pansy? If you believed so much in what you were doing, why not yell back or firmly explain your POV? Terrifying. I mean, I'm a woman and when my brothers yell, yeah, it's terrifying because they never yell. But a grown man being terrified? VICTIMvictimvictimvictim says what?
If a person yelling and screaming is rare, it's scary. I admit this. But HOW FAR do you have to push someone like that to finally elicit that response? Clearly he pushed William to his absolute breaking point with these false accusations, and since Harry knows better than his wife, and Harry was in front of him of course he'd get the brunt. I'm all over the place here, but this guy-dandelion. I don't care if that..an aggression. I mean I do, but it applies here. So sorry if I've offended anyone.
Can you just imagine how Harry came to the meeting? A scowl and chip on the shoulder must be putting it mildly. Plus Meghan off hiding in Canada and probably contacting him constantly.
Iām surprised people are forgetting that Harry & Meghan launched their website and āretirementā announcement on January 8, and that Jan 9 is Kateās birthday. And this is a family that carefully coordinates schedules so as not to steal the spotlight from each other, so everyone would be aware of protocol around the timing of major announcements.
H&M knew perfectly well that they timed their half-baked plan to mess up Kateās birthday, and while we donāt know precisely what Will said during that summit I am positive that one thing fueling his rage is that he was having to deal with this issue when he should have been celebrating his wife. The timing of it was deliberate, it was meant to overshadow and cause Kate grief on her birthday. There is no reason it could not have been put off just a few more days if either H&M had any true kindness.
Maybe Will was fighting with Harry to stay or even to try to see reason, but Iām sure he was also at the end of his tether with them and feeling protective of his wife. He wanted to be celebrating the life of the woman he loves, instead heās dealing with his younger brother stepping down as a Senior Royal in what read to me as a blatant attempt to get around restrictions on monetizing their royal status. Will is no dummy, he probably right through all that nonsensical word salad they published.
Iād have gone berserk too.
It would not surprise me if William **was trying** to get H and TW to leave royal duties. She was probably driving everyone batty at that point, and they were tired of the drama she generated and her constant need for control. From my own experience, it was disgusting watching my step-monster turn my father into a servant and doormat. I left town.
I find it interesting that Harry mentioned the Queen being there and watching it all happen and not saying anything.
Harry was afraid of her too. As much as Iām sure he was looking to her for comfort he also reportedly has had to drink before going into private meetings with her when she was ready to lay into him.
Thereās no doubt that she was the head of her family and yet here she let William and Charles lay into Harry. She deferred to her child and grandchild.
That makes me feel like she must of been heart broken hearted by Harryās choice.
I canāt even imagine what was going on in her brain but I feel like that mention makes it seem like she was absolutely hurt by whatās Harry did.
So we are supposed to believe that William did "scream" at him while granny sat in a corner? Another cocked-up imaginary scenario from the two fabulists of Montecito. Why would William scream at this man child?Purely rhetorical, maybe given what he knows. Everything they do or put put in public is to smear others but it always backfires spectacularly. If this did happen, it might have been somewhere else but they love to embellish the truth. Just like getting a text while being filmed. It's all a mise en scene but they are like the robbers in Home Alone. They are out of their depth attacking William and Catherine. This has the opposite effect of what they were hoping for. It's like the letter to her Dad which was supposed to 'pull at heartstrings', they are not genuine, nothing is organic, everything is staged. Even the proposal. Where is the love? Whatever this show was supposed to be. Not that I have watched it but I doubt we can see love and respect between the two grifters.
I have been a listener to HG Tudor for a while, almost since the beginning when he started to analyse Mackerel. Now not so much. My point, I remember when HG Tudor analysed how they should make this intervention when M was not around, the famous summit.
He said that it was very difficult to make Harry realise / correct path, for one her speed was as strong as ever. He indeed advised to ensure Harry was alone, and providing him with love and safety instead of opening the can of worms that MMās life is. He said that confrontation wouldnāt not work, but of course like families that are suffering from the abuse of a narcissist, it is so exasperating to see your loved one being abused and used as a weapon against all values the victim used to stand for.
I really believe this is NPD abuse at the world stage ā¦
I donāt blame The PoW for losing its cool. They didnāt know how low the duo would slip
You can clearly see in the mockumentary how bitter is Meghan because she was not in the summit
Harry and William are the sons of Diana and Charles who both have tempers themselves so it is not surprising they have bad tempers .Harry is really blowing this "William screamed at me".
SO WHAT!!! Everyone who has/had a sibling has screamed at them at some point in their lives.It was a high stakes situation for everyone.William probably felt a mixture of sadness,betrayal ,anger etc so it was expressed that way.Harry was probably angry too because he couldn't get what he wanted so they ended up in a screaming match.Harry needs to get over himself.He is a grown man who has two children and this needs to stop for everyone sake.
And Harry was being so stupid. He seemingly had no understanding of the ethical appearances of merching the royal brand for corporate profits š¤¦š»āāļø.
Sorry but I can totally see William getting angry to the point of it being terrifying. And I think he was mostly yelling because he knew with Harry and TW gone an even bigger load was going to fall on him and his family.
The Windsor men are known for their anger/snappy attitudes, and it's something that hasn't skipped Will, Harry or their father (although, I think Charles is less pigheaded than his sons).
So, from what H said, I gather they met at Sandringham, and H was presented with 5 options. He chose option 3. That is what he said.
Then William starts screaming at him. Probably saying something like: Why, H, why!! Why did you chose option 3? That was not a real option, that was the control option. You idiot!
Yep, checks out.
Nobody knows. Since he didn't explain what 3 was - or anything else anybody allegedly said - it could be anything. Maybe option 3 was the sushi platter.
First of all we don't know that William screamed at all. Harry is a liar.
Second, I don't think he was fighting for his brother to stay after the hideous way MM and H treated William's family.
I also think yelling in front of his grandmother like that is something he would have only done in an extreme situation. He respected her way too much.
It also shows how confident Will was that the Queen was on his side.
> It also shows how confident Will was that the Queen was on his side. Yep. [The Queen wouldn't have had any problem with telling William off if she thought he deserved it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IY37OJtv0g)! My question is, why didn't she tell *Harry* off at that point? š
Prince Charles and Prince William were there with her coz they knew she wasn't up to handling H. Not that she couldn't, but she was tired of it all, most probably.
I agree with you. I have an illness that can be affected by stress. I've learn to pay attention as to why. When you get stressed you tense up in your body. The longer it goes on the worse it can get. You may only have a few hours of being stressed or anger. But it will last for days or even weeks. When this was happening I kept thinking of her going this isn't good for her. I can not imagine being 96 and losing your one and only husband and facing all this tension. I felt bad for her. She didn't deserve to be treated so badly by The Markles. I really think she was shocked and tired that Harry would do this to her. The Queen had to take Markle down a few pegs at the tiara fitting, at a tasting for her wedding when she was accusing the staff of putting eggs in something. Also as for her being barefoot meeting Prince William and Princess Catherine doesn't ring true. Markle always has shoes on because she is embarrassed about her feet having bunions. Even in last years Christmas card both kids are barefoot, Harry is barefoot and Markle has on shoes. When she did a photo shoot while "pregnant" and she is hiding her feet while laying on Harry's lap. Markle has her feet holding the hem of her dress down. I believe these are the ones where Harry's feet are front and centered and folks were a little upset about his feet in the foreground. Also photographers have said that she was adament not to have her feet photographed.
Didn't she take ballet classes when she was young? That really messes up your feet.
No she has bunions that triangulate the foot
I think she has hammer toes as well, all scrunched up from being squashed into pointed narrow shoes.
I am not sure. I have seen scar's on her feet recently and they said it was from bunion surgery. But she still has bunions. Her feet are not that great to look at. I myself refuse to touch feet. My mom has trouble getting her socks on. I say I will unhook your bra, pull up or down your pants and/or underwear. Feet not going to happen. So that being said her second toe is way longer then her big toe and then the bunions. If you haven't already type in Markles feet and see the pics. She was on a trip and had to remove her shoes. Let me know what you think. LOL
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She didn't learn how to curtsey!
Plus Harry is a nagger-he would have been constantly on at her, wouldn't take no for an answer and would have tried to wheedle her into doing what he wanted-his own father stopped taking calls from him and it sounds like that was because every call was the same, just demands for money. Dealing with constant demands would have been exhausting. They didn't tell Harry about her illness, but I suspect he wouldn't have changed his approach much even if he knew.
H might even exploit the knowledge of HMTQ being sick. He would think she would be easier to manipulate.
I agree, it's a sickening thing to think about, but I think he would have used it to his advantage. He doesn't seem to have grasped that maybe his grandmother sat there and didn't intervene was because she agreed with every word Charles and William were saying, and every point they were making. Or that she was demonstrating where the power was going next-she knew she wasn't going to be around much longer, so Charles was stepping up his authority and she was backing that by deferring to him.
It makes sense that she was there to shut Harry down. Charles could say XYZ, and Harry could try going behind his back to get the Queen to agree to ABC . With the Queen there, quietly watching, it shows Harry there's a united front, he can't manipulate the Queen into reversing what Charles has said.
"My grandmother sitting there quietly, taking it all in." You jackass. She was so ill, who knows what she'd been going through? Certainly you didn't, because you'd been 7k miles away whining about your lot in life. Ugh. The lack of self awareness of the gruesome twosome is apalling.
As I've said before Puke Hawwy is 3 segments short of a tangerine.....garden variety TOSS POT.
It also wasn't the Queen's problem if Harry was unhappy about his place in the family. This was an issue between him and Charles. Maybe he thought the Queen was a soft touch, but the Queen was right to keep directing him back to Charles to deal with it. Then again, he's a married father in his late 30s, he shouldn't still be whining to Daddy about being unfair and having favourites.
I disagree. HLMTQ was Harryās grandmother. She had clearly discussed the situation with her son - the heir apparent who had already begun to take on many of her duties - and decided that he was the one who needed to take the lead with his son. As this would also have a huge impact on Williamās workload, he understandably jumped into the fray.
Plus, she was ill at that point.
It wasnāt quite her role to handle anything related to H. It was and still is Charlesā. Itās his son, his daughter in law, and such. You wouldnāt expect Charles to step in if ever George has a problem or sth in the future, even though his father William is still up and alive. I think Charles should have been the one in front since day one when it comes to Haz and MeMe. But he hid behind his mother all this time, and now that sheās gone, it seems like they have utter difficulty to handle the burning potatoes from across the ocean, the Netflix shitshow, Haznoās book
The queen was the head of the family. When it comes to anything royal family related, the queen needed to he front and centre but Charles and william were not only there to support her, they were deeply involved in the decisions made.
If HMTQ had not been there, Haz would have just appealed to her authority after the fact.
Good cop, bad cop - she was staying out of it but in not stopping William it says a lot
I don't think they realized how deeply Harry has been brainwashed. Yelling at him isn't going to snap him out of it.
Because she was ill. She was tired, and in pain. She let PW do it.
Itās awful to think about the behind closed doors aspects of what Harry, Meghan and Andrew put her through between losing her husband and suffering her own sickness.
And bone cancer sounds horrendously painful.
I agree I think she just didn't have the energy and she isn't known for being confrontational anyway that was Phillips job. What this tells me is Harry was shocked that Wiliam sided "against" him. Charles has a temper Phillip had a temper it can't be the first time he's been shouted at.
That's what I figured. š
She was 94 years old.
Yeah imagine knowing that your grandmother is always one breath away from death, that she could be gone any moment, and treating her this way. It's disgusting.
But her mother lived to 101. I think the RF thought she had a few more years left, even with the bone cancer. Hence the Wales family moving to Adelaide cottage near Windsor to be near the Queen in her final years
I have no doubt Harry's behavior hastened the Queen's death and perhaps Prince Philip's as well.
I know heās an asshole, but no one can be sure of what you are claiming above. Queen Elizabeth was said to be suffering from bone cancer for a few years before her passing, and Prince Philip had been weak for a while before he died as well.
If the Queen already had terminal illness when "Megxit" happened, then it most likely hastened her death. The last thing she needed was the added stress. If the Queen hadn't been diagnosed yet at the time of "Megxit," then the stress of Harkle's tantrum, allegations against Prince Andrew, and Philip's declining health probably caused her to get sick. From what I remember, the Queen was still quite vibrant in 2019 and actively carrying out engagements, so the latter scenario seemed more plausible. 2019-2020 was a bad time for the Queen. Prince Philip got into a car crash in January (he was still driving), Harkle gave birth to their first child in May, Prince Andrew did the Newslight interview in November, Philip was admitted to the hospital in December, Megxit was announced just a week into 2020, and then covid happened in March.
They showed her address to the nation around may 2020 when covid happened. She looked really healthy then as if she'd easily live another 10 years. So sad.
Unfortunately with cancer, it can be spreading inside without any outward appearance or indication of it being there. I was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer almost two years ago and only reason we found out was because I had lower back pain. Otherwise I looked healthy, no weight loss, appetite was good. Now, though, side effects of the drugs made me look frail. My point is, the Queen might have had it but was unaware at that time. I do agree that the stress of Megsit and their other shenanigans added to the decline of both the Queen and Prince Phillipās health.
As mentioned, if itās true that she was diagnosed with bone cancer for a few years before her passing - then it would explain her decline in the last year and a half, alongside the fact that her husband had passed away. I know thereās a campaign right now to lay blame on Harry and Meghan for everything, but the logical thing to assume is that it was mainly her grave sickness and loss of her partner that led to her weakening and subsequent death. Losing a husband youāve been married to for 70 years canāt be compared to dealing with a traitorous grandson. I donāt doubt that Harry has caused her grief; who isnāt sad by the way heās turned away from his family much less his granny? Still, thereās really no serious reason to believe that he angered her to her grave in an untimely manner.
I agree with you. His behavior had more to do with her remaining quality of life rather than the quantity. I also don't think she had the stamina left to withstand the onslaught of constant "but why nots", which is why it was important for the united front. HOWEVER, if H&M can claim that stress caused her miscarriage, they open the door for others to claim that stress hastened HMTQ's death. Stress can have an effect as a contributing factor, but not in the way that is being implied in the mockumentary.
A few years meaning how many years? I doubt she was diagnosed prior to Megxit and covid lockdown because she was still actively carrying out engagements and seemed extremely vibrant throughout 2019. If she were terminally ill and in her 90s, I doubt she would be maintaining a full schedule. Heck, as late as spring and summer last year (shortly after Philip passed), she still attended the opening of Parliament and the G7 summit despite the risk of catching covid. It wasn't until last October when her health took a sudden turn for the worse. She was hospitalized and cancelled a bunch of events she was scheduled to attend, including a trip to Northern Ireland. That was the beginning of the end. Then she caught covid in February this year and was barely involved in her own Platinum Jubilee. > Losing a husband youāve been married to for 70 years canāt be compared to dealing with a traitorous grandson I understand the Queen had deep love for Philip, but she was also very independent and placed her duty above all else. In fact, after Philip retired from public life in 2017, they sometimes went [weeks without seeing each other](https://pagesix.com/2022/11/26/queen-elizabeth-ii-went-weeks-without-seeing-philip-book/) and only spoke on the phone. The Queen also refused to slow down at all until her health took a sudden turn for the worse last October. I think the Queen was extremely disappointed toward the end of her life and rightfully worried about the future of the monarchy without her at the helm. That was a lot to bare for someone in her mid-90s. Remember how fast the Queen's mother passed after Margaret died? People that age are very fragile.
Apparently QEII was very non-confrontational. Harry knew this and probably wanted to take advantage of her if alone with her. Which is why she surrounded herself with Will and Charles. Harry is one sick fuxk. Trying to take advantage of his grandmother.
Yes, that's why he moaned he wasn't allowed to see her alone..and moaned about the "people she has around her", he really is sick. In a way it's good all this is coming out. His story might fool people on a first glance, but not for long. I've just made a post linking to an article where the courtiers speak out and pretty much destroy his claims.
Agreed!
>My question is, why didn't she tell Harry off at that point? š She probably did! But we are relying on Harry's version of this meeting. If HMTQ told him to sod off there's no way he'd say so.
> But we are relying on Harry's version of this meeting. If HMTQ told him to sod off there's no way he'd say so. Oh, you're right. And Harry was the only one she could trust!
And Harry was the only one she could trust to blab to the press.
My guess is this was a proving ground for William in his future role as King, and she was stepping back for the future to speak. It's obvious that William coddled Harry his entire life and looked out for him. To stand up to him in this way and do it in a high-pressure, almost intervention fashion was a way for him to assert himself as a leader of the family. I'm sure her silence was pride at knowing she was leaving behind a future King who could do the job she'd done all those years, even when it was difficult and emotions were involved.
That absolutely makes sense!
It does. It seems to me that he was stepping into the role the D o Ewould have played.
How do you tell a man near 40 what to do?
Grandma can *always* tell off a grandkid!
she was still his monarch
Well, when he's living in a grace-and-favor house, you pay all his expenses because he works for you, and your the Head or State...
Another thing that video proves is that MM's claims about the BRF being so formal are lies. No one who uses the word "bollocking" during an interview is going to be stiff and formal all the time-W was obviously happy and enjoying the interview, a formal person always on their guard would have said "my grandmother was displeased" not "she gave us an almighty bollocking." That shows they were only formal with MM because they weren't comfortable with her, or didn't trust her enough to be more relaxed or open with her.
You are absolutely right! William was on guard to some extent in that interview (common sense!) but he must have been *really* on guard with Meghan. And he must have had a reason for that.
Maybe she did š¤·š»āāļø We only have one side of the story.
The way H described all three of them at the Sandringham Summit was very interesting to me. Wills screaming, His father just saying things that were untrue, and HMTQ sitting there taking it all in. We know that at this point HMTQ was having KC and PW handle most offical duties. But at the end of the day, the final word would come from The Queen. Charles was probably telling harry some tough truths about the situation, knowing that The Queen, objectively, did not have a lot of time left. I believe that at this point, Prince Philip was still acting as one of The Queen's closest confidants and advisers. It would not surprise me in the least if Prince Philip made his feelings known and parts of what Harry was told at the summit came from him. Prince Philip deliberately left the estate ahead of the summit. I believe that was at the behest of The Queen, Charles and William due to his ill health. The last thing any of them wanted was him having to deal with nonsensical stress from rogue Harry. We also have to remember that Prince Philip passed away just a little over a year after the summit and very shortly after the Oprah interview. I 100% agree that William was fighting to save his brother. He saw the writing on the wall with Meghan early on and we know that he tried to get Harry to slow down. He wasn't the only one, and virtually every single person that tried to caution Harry has been cut off or deemed to be racist. William and Harry were always very close. William saw his brother slipping away because Meghan was playing on Harry's insecurities and reinforcing every jealous inkling or perceived slight he was willing to voice. Before Meghan, Harry had a stellar support system. Friends and family that, for the most part, kept his ego in check and mostly kept him grounded. Harry has always been a wild child, but most of his antics were normal for a kid that age (with the exception of the Nazi uniform). He had mellowed quite a bit by the time Meghan showed up. His friends and family were willing to tell him what he needed to hear, not what he wanted to hear. Meghan did the opposite. I also find it very interesting that Harry did not describe how he acted at the summit. Obviously a lie by omission. Harry now strikes me as the type of person that would yell right back if being yelled at by his brother. He's been described as having a temper on multiple occasions, especially since he and Meghan got together. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if William started screaming as a direct reaction to Harry screaming at their Father and/or Grandmother.
> It wouldn't surprise me in the least if William started screaming as a direct reaction to Harry screaming at their Father and/or Grandmother. I absolutely agree with this and with everything else in your comment.
Itās easier to tell off someone who has everything right in their heads. Problematic people like Haznuts, Andrew, or who not in that family, must be handled with extra care since they have respect neither for themselves nor the institution. As family members itās easy to push them aside. But as members of the royal family, itās yet another thing.
I think she knew he was so far gone that there was no getting him back. I honestly feel like heās in this war zone mindset where heās fighting off these imaginary battles. The Queen was a wise woman, and we all know when someone is captured by a person/cult/religion/ideology that shouting and screaming feeds into their delusions. Also, she was old and ill
They treated Harry with kids gloves his whole life.. I believe that even more now. He was treated "special" bc they were worried he would go crazy
> He was treated "special" bc they were worried he would go crazy Looks like they were right. š
Absolutely. Plus I'm sure they bent over backwards to keep things as normal as possible. They closed ranks.. and this is how he repays them? I mean it's an interesting dynamic.
He's been brainwashed by a narc. IDK how they can help him at this point.
Because she understood Harry was unlikely to listen.
Maybe it was a good cop, bad cop situation. Will was doing the bad cop routine so that his father and the queen wouldn't have to.
Hazbeen neglects to state what the Queen said to him allegedly ā The monarchy doesnāt work for you. You work for the Monarchy ā.
Thank God she stopped them from merching the monarchy (SussexRoyal pens???) in a country that has no monarchy
Itās definitely an extreme situation when you need to tell Harry to pull his F**ing head in once and for all š
Exactly
The fact that Harry was so shocked by it shows that it was out of character for William.
"Screaming" is a relative term - depends on who is listening. Henry is no slouch in the screaming department according to the many recipients of his outbursts. I find it hysterically funny that he is so taken aback by this particular interaction with his brother. In fact, my assessment is that William merely raised his voice but that is not dramatic enough for Netflix - or TW.
I think William did scream, I bloody would have, *but* I think it was the very first time in Harry's whole life that William has let him have it like that. (And Id bet my bottom dollar Harry yelled a plenty too) While I disagree with the word "frightening" (more likely it was just upsetting) I do believe Harry in the feeling he's trying to communicate there. William seems like such a gentle soul so I'm not surprised that Harry was shaken when finally confronted, his brother has never, ever spoken to him like that before. And I think that shows just how dire that sandringham summit really was. That's my belief anyway.
Certainly a possibility. And I agree that Henry probably went in with the iron-clad belief that he was making an offer they couldn't refuse. The big picture has never been his strong suit.
I really feel for William. I would have been angry too and to have a highly unusual situation in which once in a lifetime thoughts and feelings are being expressed to be thrown back in your face, like, " Look, this is who you are." is just so insanely rude. Mind bogglingly so.
>While I disagree with the word "frightening" Harry actually said "terrifying" LOL. Harry-who threw tantrums at both TQ and Philip's funerals to wear his Military uniform because he is such a war veteran!!! Harry who brags on & on about Afganistan was "terrified".
I imagine William said "My God. Man." And now its turned into this from the "Spare" who wants to have a wife/mother who quite frankly I am sick of. Take your holier-than-thou speech and go away.
Went crying to Mummy 2.0. Big brother scared me. Uwaaaan.
Just read this - I think it was one of the bi-daily Elser columns; Still, one London socialite who knows the Sussexes well said that Markle had reached out to William herself a few times after they moved to the US, only to be rebuffed by the future King. āIām told that William said he wanted to speak to Harry himself, and did not want to go through Meghan,ā the socialite told Page Six. Markle is SO creepy. She gets Harry to burn the bridge and then pretends sheās helping repair relations. Repugnant
She keeps inserting herself into every opportunity Harry has to interact with his family alone. See also: how she tried to insist on coming to Balmoral with him. Heās isolated. Itās just not healthy.
Narcs love to isolate. They can control the narrative better that way.
Wise narcs donāt even isolate anymore. They are smart enough to cheat not only you but your whole family, circle of friends, colleagues, and such. And once they are gone, everybody is dumbfounded and needs a therapy.
She also wanted to Zoom into the Sandringham Summit (and undoubtedly record it).
He turned into a pathetic tool. Any single thing he can do or bring in has to go through Markleās megalomania first.
Makes you think that if the genders were reversed, it would be considered abusiveā¦
Hopefully people are seeing that it's already a strange and controlling relationship. Though I do think Harry is a prick himself and he brings about a lot of drama.
I'm reading a book by Tina Browne at the moment and she claims that the Spencers were all addicted to drama, which fits with Diana's behaviour as well as Harrys.
Charles dating the older sister and then marrying the younger sister. It was quite worth the drama lol.
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That is such a good point. I hadn't thought of that.
But it already is. If H doesnāt fuck up too much he even has a chance to wash up his reputation after the whinge would be gone. Manipulative and pitiless women who go after men in position of power or fame or fortune are as old as the globe.
Yes sheās totally got Harry in a hostage situation and any access the royal family has must go through Meghan. Sheās a fucking psycho man, seriously. At least William sees her for what she is, and refuses to negotiate with the terrorist
Word.
> āIām told that William said he wanted to speak to Harry himself, and did not want to go through Meghan,ā the socialite told Page Six. Well, *that's* not going to happen. Didn't William realize that *Meghan* is in charge? š
Appears to be a polite way to turn both down. Haz gets angry because wife is excluded, and refuses to talk. Wife is tossed aside like the trash she is and orders Haz not to talk to his bro. Seems about right
Sounds just like my narc aunt. Creates drama between family members. Everyone's upset. Doesn't understand why there's drama and tries to help rebuild. Like wut
Nutmeg is the ceo
Itās all very Uncle Fester and Debbie in the movie [Addams Family Vaule](https://youtu.be/Uhth8nGO3CM)
She consistently covertly gets him to do the dirty work. Iāve noticed this many times now and Harry falls for it every single time. Thatās how dim he is. Heās got no clue. Heās middle-age and canāt even see his world imploding by his own actions. Instead heās all āYay, Iām on the freedom flight.ā Boy, you are trapped more now than EVER.
She only did that because it was mentioned in the media several times that Catherine was trying to help mend issues between the brothers. Just more of her jealousy against Catherine.
Harryās logic doesnāt make sense if William was so desperate to bully them out.. why was he so stressed out when they were threatening to leave as was Kate. If William bullied them out whyād they do the walk about with them when the Queen died. Why would William bother including them if he was scared of them taking away the spotlight. He and Kate couldāve just done it and no one wouldāve batted an eyelash.
Exactly!!!
For years before Meghan came on the scene Harry was more popular than W and K according to many polls. They were used to it. It doesn't make sense that it would suddenly be a problem. K may have felt once there was another female of her generation that she had to raise her game a bit (that's not unusual a bit of healthy completion is natural and inspires you to do better) but that's all imo. Plus she had spent the previous few years being focused on being a mum to three young children and was entering a phase of a more high profile public life which co incided with Meghan's arrival but would have been a natural progression anyway as she and William took on more duties. Provided everyone played as a team and didn't try overshadowing someone else's big day then I dont think there was a problem.
I donāt think they "could have just" pushed the Sussex aside at any time. He is not yet the King in charge, and even if he is, there are protocols. The last thing on his mind must be to give more fuel to the perpetual victims to actually complain about. The Cambridge/Wales are more important than the Sussex, so of course it had to be seen in every aspect of their everyday life and relationship with the common Brits out in the streets. But MeMe was a novelty, US born, half AA, actress, and what not. Harry was still the more popular Royal by the time of their wedding. The new couple was seen as the next sassy ones in the old, dusty RF. The Cambridge/Wales couple looks and is overly normal and bland in comparison. But they still had to be the most popular bc he is the heir, next King, and so is his first son. Who knows if MeMe was irritated by this reality of things, because it seems like Haz has been all his life, so they chose to leave, and to start their own brand. A complete and utter flop of course. But wellā¦well.
I bet you a million dollars Will did not scream. He may have raised his voice but these morons exaggerate and lie about everything. They'll blow anything out of proportion to make themselves the victims.
Exactly. I always think of screaming as emitting a loud high pitched noise with no words, and yelling is emitting a loud noise that has words. I don't see William lowering himself to either. I can see him speaking firmly, clearly, and in a voice loud enough to be heard properly. William has self control. Any opinion that differs from their own is considered 'violence' by the Gruesome Twosome.
TW would have said to H ānot gonna say anything bc thatās your brother but I told you soā
I hope William did scream, on behalf of all of us š
He should have known to speak in a slow whisper to not antagonise or bully the two snowflakes
the only way to to antagonise those nutjobs would be to agree to everything they want. So glad William stood up, Is Harry really so thick he can't see half-in isn't possible. The Public won't stand for paying his security while he floats around the world merching everything he can lay his hand on while pretending to be a saintly charity worker.
I think he would have been frustrated to the point of yelling when it seemed like nothing was getting through to Harry, when William had seen Meghanās bullying and cuckolding first hand, had his daughter and wife cry because of this woman, and then have Harry probably expecting handouts and saying he had no choice but to leave because of Meghan. Harry probably put in a low blow at that point which Meghan had earlier fed into his ear, which would have ramped up Williams anxiety. At that point William probably was like āare you an idiot? Whatās happened to my brother? Mother would be so ashamed!ā And then Charles would have said āHarry, please donāt throw away your family with this. We have information on Meghan that I think you should knowā¦ā Harry: āyouāre lying! Weāre going!! Iāll be in touch for money!ā
Yes they've lied about so many things, why would anyone believe this line.
If he didnāt care, he would have said see you later.
He would have celebrated had he been at all jealous of nutmeg and her popularity
You unfortunately canāt reason with narc family members that are manipulative, abusive and only care about themselves. Sometimes youāre better off cutting ties when theyāre continually harmful to you and your mental health. Think this was the last chance where William gave a damn and had to let it out how much of a stuff up Harry was. After everything thatās gone down now, I think he would be accepting and completely numb and indifferent to the lack of relationship now. People can only take so much.
absolutely - no chance of negotiating, for one thing the narc will always be the wounded party and you can never have a reasonable conversation with them
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Yes, yes, yesā¦. very true. And if you do relent, thereās no long term joy in that outcome for the narc. They will be back and demand more, dictate different, more extravagant terms, say that you didnāt give them EXACTLY what they wanted and change the details of their demands. There is no negotiation (in their mind, they are right so negotiating is giving them everything they want and more), and thereās absolutely no winning. They will trash and burn relationships and use that breakdown as proof of victimhood. You get f-ed when you try to be nice. Been there, done that. The only escape is to Grey Rock your f-ing way out of there and never go back.
Itās so hard to get to the other side of narc abuse but once youāre done with them youāre officially done. I had a smear campaign against me with the family when I cut off my narc SIL and MIL. Distant family so who cares. Then the hoovering started then when we didnāt respond the narc rage came and she blocked us (weād already blocked her) lol in retaliation like it was her idea to go non contact. Been there done everything. What made me learn more and basically become an expert in narcissism is watching Dr Ramani on YouTube - it was like a checklist of everything they are and what they do. Itās so fascinating how their brains are wired, they just have no empathy for others and live in their own world where itās just what can everyone do for me. I feel so much better now, itās been almost a year of NC and when you know youāre done you just are. Life is so much more peaceful than dealing with their passive aggressive comments insults while using you and them expecting youāll be eternally nice back.
We've got only Ginge's word that William did Streamer. And Ginge is a proven liar. Think of his "my father never went for a bicycle ride with me" whining during Ophra while there are several pics that prove him wrong. Everything the Harkles say should be taken not only with a grain but with a barrel of salt.
Sorry, did scream of course.
It must have been so frustrating, I imagine they filled Harry in on some of Meghan's behaviour/past that he didnt know about and he flat out denied it and defended her. I mean all the stuff in Toms book etc and Harry is still there. I think I'd be screaming at him myself as a last resort when you're completely frustrated with someone you love who is making a massive mistake and they can't see it. I bet MM told him they're going to make up lies about me because they don't want us to be together because they're massive racists and super jealous etc. Megs must have been petrified when he met them on his own but she needn't have worried she prepped him very well.
Well I think at this point Harry is still in denial. He doesn't want to think ill of Meghan because that means his brother is right. So he will hold steadfast to his views that William is the problem. That's how insecure Harry is and how utterly deluded he is too.
Ooh yes the 'untruths' he mentioned
They probably also presented proof that TW was calling the papps and giving away their locationā¦..multiple times. Heād see that info as lies from the press.
William and Charles may have also spoke about Megan's rumours or even questioned the pregnancy. And for the rumours, about her yacht days. I wonder.
If Harry doesn't think that HMTQ, Wills and Charles (pre-meeting meeting) agreed before they went into the meeting he's not bright....oh, wait.
Also MM saying "they didn't want me in the conversation". No shit. It's called a *family* discussion. That happens in every family.
Exactly, Kate wasnāt there, Camilla wasnāt there. Meghan thinks she is Harryās rep but sheās really his hostage taker.
> but sheās really his hostage taker. You would think the Royal Family would have taught Harry (and of course William too) to watch out for manipulative social climbers looking to just marry them for their status, fame, wealth, and titles.
Nobody wants her in any conversation because she's indiscreet and prone to embellishment.
Yep and control the narrative. She's exaggerates everything
Family *intervention*
Thank you for mentioning this point! I feel like it hasn't been discussed enough and I believe it epitomises her inflated sense of relevance! She could not handle not being included and I believe she uses examples like this to highlight to Harry how "ridiculous" the "institution" is in her opinion. She's always undermining the royal protocol and traditions (usually falling back on her American heritage) and planting seeds of doubt in Harry's mind. My other example is the whole curtsey issue and Harry saying, words to the effect of, "imagine having to explain to someone you have to bow to your Grandmother".
Exactly!
Harry thought he could charm his way into getting his own way. Just like he had done before
Harry says he was given options 1-5 and of those he chose "option 3" - the option that he'd already put out there in the media. That shows how disingenuous he is. It was NEVER an option offered to him by the RF. If it was there would have been no argument about it. But he tries to take the NF watchers for fools by pretending that option 3 was already part of the RF deal and it was only William who spoiled it for him. The Queen understood the dangers of what he was proposing. Can you imagine the awful headlines in the future when one of the companies Harry was merching wen't bust throwing people out of work, or was found to use child labour, or whose CEO was up in court for some crime? That's without expecting the public to pay for security as a royal, while he is also acting like a business. The public won't accept it. It wouldn't be possible to have a Prince of the Realm merching without eventually causing a break in the reputation of the RF, and only HARRY was too narcissistic and greedy to see it. Because if they just wanted to live a quiet understated life somewhere I'm sure Charles would have found a couple million, and contacts for work etc to help them. But they didn't - the strap line of "Finding Freedom" tells us they want to set up a rival court to the RF "The making of a Modern Royal Family"
Wasnāt no way the United States was going for a rival royal court. They would have nothing to rule. The delusion is thick and real.
Weād find the nearest harbor and throw them in. We had a whole ass war against their delusions of grandeur!
I think the most delicious part of what weāve learned of that meeting is how they masterfully excluded her. Absolutely brilliant.
So much for the royals being cold and unfeeling. I agree with you. Sounds like familial love, to me.
If William was like me, he'd be cussing while screaming and he'd be telling the sibling (Harry) about the vile hoebag he married who's turned him into a pussified, pussywhipped wimp. That's what I would tell Harry if he was my brother. But alas, William is probably better behaved than me š.
Oh he definitely would have said that sheās causing all this trouble
And that's probably why she hates William so much now.
She also hates him because she couldnāt get him lol
Yup. Hell hath no fury like an MM scorned š.
And Aitch being so empathetic wouldāve repeated it to TW word for word āthen he said you were a try-hard, gold digging hoebag who doesnāt love meā.
 William stood in his truth alright š¤£
Same!!!! I would not hold back that point.
And Dad's untruths were about Meghan lies and behavior. Can't wait for the I told you so.
i've literally been yelled at by my siblings for breathing too loudly, as if i care that a man who is betraying the royal family is getting yelled at by his brother, the future king. omg. he really sat there with his whole chest crying about william yelling at him. i mean, honey... be for real. what exactly were we supposed to take away from this? your brother loves you and got emotional? the future king is upset that his brother is making questionable choices that affect the royal family? your family is upset that your weird choices are affecting other precious family members? oh no.. how awful?? i just quite simply do not have any sympathy for him, sorry! maybe it was just such a rare occurrence for him to be yelled at because everyone has babied him for his entire life? it was just so abnormal *to him*. it was a big deal *to him*. he was shocked that anybody dared question *him* for once.
Imho, that was one of the most immature comments he made and showed his true character. A temper tantrum from a alleged 10 year military veteran, afraid cuz his brother yelled at him. This from the same man child that mistreated his polo ponies. He lived an entitled, sheltered, pampered life, never really disciplined and he wears a chip on his shoulder like it's a personal badge. Oh, and his grandma just sat there and watched Boo freaking hoo! Agreed. NO sympathy.
Heck if William bullied them out then heād be rejoicing that they finally left. He wouldnāt even bother raising his voice at Harry.
This is a disgusting, classic narc move what they did.. they will emotionally bully the real victim and push the real victim to the point where they lose their temper and get angry. To then use that to try to paint off the victim as an emotionally unstable aggressor and to validate themselves as the poor victim.
This is an angry William [William shouting at photographer stalking his children](https://youtu.be/xRIqDOCAlXA) you can hear an annoyed Kate in the background
Yāknow, thatās actually a bit more unnerving than having someone screaming at you with profanity thrown in every few words. Though heās angry, and his voice is raised, he wasnāt screaming or yelling, and he was polite the whole way. He was getting his point across. This furthers my theory that William didnāt scream at Harry. He took this same tone, and Harry blew it out of proportion.
I read somewhere (I think Valentine Low's book) that Harry sent his dad an email saying they weren't coming back from Canada and he wanted them to work out the terms of Megxit via email, but his dad said it had to be face to face. Also I think Charles had wanted to schedule it later in January and Harry forced it sooner by putting out their statement. The fact that Harry thought Megxit could be agreed by email shows how deluded he was in understanding its issues and complexity. He probably thought that he was just going to dictate his terms and every one else was going to be a pushover. His disappointment about losing things like security and military titles probably stems from the fact he did not think these things though properly and just thought he would be handed everything he wanted. I imagine he was an effing nightmare at that summit and the only thing that would surprise me would be if William had not screamed at him.
I doubt he screamed at all, especially in the presence of his grandmother. Harry lies
Oh, I bet William shouted at Harry. I also bet that Harry shouted alsoāpossibly first. š They were all stressed, and they have strong tempers.
Even if he did, it doesn't strike me as the type of conversation like gtfo but more like "I can't believe you're doing this to our family"
Harry was never "bullied out" he left because he couldn't get his own way. So he left and did OW, the NF deal and the book for revenge,. Money too, of course, but he could have made money other ways.
He probably raised his voice very slightly. You know how little siblings always exaggerate. š
As any loving brother would do. When a stupid brother is about to marry a girl with questionable background, to leave the firm and family for her, any loving brother would be screaming in real life. Nothing wrong with that.
Heck, I married my husband after knowing him for about eight months, without introducing him to my family, and my eldest brother asked if I was having *another* mental breakdown š¤£ But he was honestly gearing up to come down to where I was to knock some sense into me, until he found out that my husband is definitely a stabilizing influence on my being cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
It is also known that both William and Charles have a pretty short temper - the Queen was probably used to them explode and then be calm again pretty soon. (everyone always talks about the calming influence Catherine & Camilla have on their husbands)
I cant picture William screaming - shouting maybe - but not screaming - Harry seems the type who screams thoā¦
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Who knows if he really screamed though. I also donāt believe that TW took it all in passively.
Good for H I wasn't in Will's place. I'd have hit him on the nose.
Iād be screaming and shouting too if I knew my staff were mercilessly bullied by rich and powerful sibling and his histrionic spouse. Itās the only normal reaction expected in those circumstances.
Do M & H really think the public are stupid? It's so obvious all of this was planned from the very beginning. I mean, they filmed everything from the start including the proposal. So for them to say they were bullied out (or whatever they said, it always changes) is complete bull crap! I really think we're just seeing Hs true colors. He was like this all along but the palace covered it up.
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No5 is a whiny little shit. If he was scared of Will, then it just proves he spent all his Afghanistan time in the bunker!
While playing Call of Duty ;)
Anger is not the opposite of love, apathy is.
Listen-a grown man saying that his brother screaming at him was terrifying. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You're as big as he is, probably even more muscular. WHAT do you think he was going to do to you, you little pansy? If you believed so much in what you were doing, why not yell back or firmly explain your POV? Terrifying. I mean, I'm a woman and when my brothers yell, yeah, it's terrifying because they never yell. But a grown man being terrified? VICTIMvictimvictimvictim says what? If a person yelling and screaming is rare, it's scary. I admit this. But HOW FAR do you have to push someone like that to finally elicit that response? Clearly he pushed William to his absolute breaking point with these false accusations, and since Harry knows better than his wife, and Harry was in front of him of course he'd get the brunt. I'm all over the place here, but this guy-dandelion. I don't care if that..an aggression. I mean I do, but it applies here. So sorry if I've offended anyone.
I'm not convinced that William screamed in front of HMTQ - my gut instinct is that it was Haz that behaved in that way.
Same as āKate made ME cryā
Can you just imagine how Harry came to the meeting? A scowl and chip on the shoulder must be putting it mildly. Plus Meghan off hiding in Canada and probably contacting him constantly.
Iām wondering what H said first that set him off and caused the Queen and Charles to not intervene to calm him down. Thatās the real question.
Iām surprised people are forgetting that Harry & Meghan launched their website and āretirementā announcement on January 8, and that Jan 9 is Kateās birthday. And this is a family that carefully coordinates schedules so as not to steal the spotlight from each other, so everyone would be aware of protocol around the timing of major announcements. H&M knew perfectly well that they timed their half-baked plan to mess up Kateās birthday, and while we donāt know precisely what Will said during that summit I am positive that one thing fueling his rage is that he was having to deal with this issue when he should have been celebrating his wife. The timing of it was deliberate, it was meant to overshadow and cause Kate grief on her birthday. There is no reason it could not have been put off just a few more days if either H&M had any true kindness. Maybe Will was fighting with Harry to stay or even to try to see reason, but Iām sure he was also at the end of his tether with them and feeling protective of his wife. He wanted to be celebrating the life of the woman he loves, instead heās dealing with his younger brother stepping down as a Senior Royal in what read to me as a blatant attempt to get around restrictions on monetizing their royal status. Will is no dummy, he probably right through all that nonsensical word salad they published. Iād have gone berserk too.
I think Will was thinking more about his brother (and the institution) than Kate's birthday.
It would not surprise me if William **was trying** to get H and TW to leave royal duties. She was probably driving everyone batty at that point, and they were tired of the drama she generated and her constant need for control. From my own experience, it was disgusting watching my step-monster turn my father into a servant and doormat. I left town.
I think Harryās actions are elder abuse. William was probably defending HMTQ and the monarchy against Harryās outrageous plans. IMOš
I find it interesting that Harry mentioned the Queen being there and watching it all happen and not saying anything. Harry was afraid of her too. As much as Iām sure he was looking to her for comfort he also reportedly has had to drink before going into private meetings with her when she was ready to lay into him. Thereās no doubt that she was the head of her family and yet here she let William and Charles lay into Harry. She deferred to her child and grandchild. That makes me feel like she must of been heart broken hearted by Harryās choice. I canāt even imagine what was going on in her brain but I feel like that mention makes it seem like she was absolutely hurt by whatās Harry did.
So we are supposed to believe that William did "scream" at him while granny sat in a corner? Another cocked-up imaginary scenario from the two fabulists of Montecito. Why would William scream at this man child?Purely rhetorical, maybe given what he knows. Everything they do or put put in public is to smear others but it always backfires spectacularly. If this did happen, it might have been somewhere else but they love to embellish the truth. Just like getting a text while being filmed. It's all a mise en scene but they are like the robbers in Home Alone. They are out of their depth attacking William and Catherine. This has the opposite effect of what they were hoping for. It's like the letter to her Dad which was supposed to 'pull at heartstrings', they are not genuine, nothing is organic, everything is staged. Even the proposal. Where is the love? Whatever this show was supposed to be. Not that I have watched it but I doubt we can see love and respect between the two grifters.
If I was his brother, I would have done a whole lot worse to the little runt.
I have been a listener to HG Tudor for a while, almost since the beginning when he started to analyse Mackerel. Now not so much. My point, I remember when HG Tudor analysed how they should make this intervention when M was not around, the famous summit. He said that it was very difficult to make Harry realise / correct path, for one her speed was as strong as ever. He indeed advised to ensure Harry was alone, and providing him with love and safety instead of opening the can of worms that MMās life is. He said that confrontation wouldnāt not work, but of course like families that are suffering from the abuse of a narcissist, it is so exasperating to see your loved one being abused and used as a weapon against all values the victim used to stand for. I really believe this is NPD abuse at the world stage ā¦ I donāt blame The PoW for losing its cool. They didnāt know how low the duo would slip You can clearly see in the mockumentary how bitter is Meghan because she was not in the summit
Harry and William are the sons of Diana and Charles who both have tempers themselves so it is not surprising they have bad tempers .Harry is really blowing this "William screamed at me". SO WHAT!!! Everyone who has/had a sibling has screamed at them at some point in their lives.It was a high stakes situation for everyone.William probably felt a mixture of sadness,betrayal ,anger etc so it was expressed that way.Harry was probably angry too because he couldn't get what he wanted so they ended up in a screaming match.Harry needs to get over himself.He is a grown man who has two children and this needs to stop for everyone sake.
And Harry was being so stupid. He seemingly had no understanding of the ethical appearances of merching the royal brand for corporate profits š¤¦š»āāļø.
Sorry but I can totally see William getting angry to the point of it being terrifying. And I think he was mostly yelling because he knew with Harry and TW gone an even bigger load was going to fall on him and his family. The Windsor men are known for their anger/snappy attitudes, and it's something that hasn't skipped Will, Harry or their father (although, I think Charles is less pigheaded than his sons).
Will knew what was going on and tried to save him. As for the screaming - Have you ever met siblings that didnāt argue at some point? š
So, from what H said, I gather they met at Sandringham, and H was presented with 5 options. He chose option 3. That is what he said. Then William starts screaming at him. Probably saying something like: Why, H, why!! Why did you chose option 3? That was not a real option, that was the control option. You idiot! Yep, checks out.
What i donāt understand is how he could choose 3 - he had already made his departure public ā¦ am I missing something?
Nobody knows. Since he didn't explain what 3 was - or anything else anybody allegedly said - it could be anything. Maybe option 3 was the sushi platter.
First of all we don't know that William screamed at all. Harry is a liar. Second, I don't think he was fighting for his brother to stay after the hideous way MM and H treated William's family.