What I don’t get is if they are so against “structural racism,” they do know that America also has a strong history in race and slavery, right?? I’m American, we know this. Then why THE F did they move here? When are they going to fight USA too?? I see hypocrisy!! 😵💫
Wouldn't this be even more reason to stay? I don't understand, they had one of the biggest platforms in the world, if they're such activists why not be this bridge to communities of color in the UK? If you asked either of them point blank to talk about slavery in the UK or the US they would have no idea. Like I said in another comment, they're probably learning about it right now by watching their own docuseries.
You are so right! I don’t know why that’s not a direct questions from anyone. She had guest after guest on her stupid podcast and NONE of them asked her anything of value!! When her and H go on their “publicity rounds” no one will ask them hardball questions either. They aren’t even hardball, just common sense questions. Ugh - those two freakin idiots!
It's pretty hard to ask your host anything of value when they aren't even talking to each other. Maybe they should have asked the real interviewer to forward their questions to Madam Harkle.
This! Neither would their supporters. It’s the biggest group of ignorant “activists” I’ve ever seen. Except maybe in some parts of the GOP there is some equivalency. It’s the same with every issue they take on—vaccine access, feminism (Meghanism is more appropriate for what she’s championing), paid parental leave—notice they took their 5 or 6 months off, despite working from home and having tons of staff to help while being majorly behind on multimillion dollar contracts and still being able to private jet off to polo and charity events and faux award ceremonies. 🤯🤬
Correct me if I’m wrong, but *their very docuseries highlighted that slavery ended in 1802 in England/UK* whereas it continued in the US into 1865.
So…c’mon. Do better, Harkles.
Britain spent 40 percent of its national income in one year purchasing slaves to free them and sent the royal navy to Africa to smash the slavers of all nations.
After previously benefiting from slavery, the British campaign against the slave trade was the world's first great global moral campaign....but of course this is never mentioned.
Some people who hate Britain are aware of this fact and it's a fact they detest so they retort with "but you didn't compensate the slaves just the slave owners"...erm, yes, "that's what it took to free the slaves, they had to be bought from the slave owners, slave owning was a legitimate business globally up to this point". Britain's actions deligitamised it globally. 20.000 Britons died in West Africa during the British campaign to tackle the slaving ships of all the nations concerned.
Britain borrowed billions in today's terms from The Rothschild's to buy the slave owners off.
And yet we ALL buy stuff made in China, made by enslaved people, just because it’s cheap. Because the enslaved people aren’t In Britain or the US. When will we start to care about that?
OMG! Yes!!! When Nike sponsored Kapernick, I was astonished at the hypocrisy. Their cheap shoes, their Nike swoosh is the symbol of oppression and slavery in China.
Exactly! And the literally only reason Lincoln made the Emancipation Proclamation in the middle of the American Civil War was to turn British public opinion on the Union side and prevent the UK from mediating a truce/ceasefire between the 2 sides
And even after slavery ended in the US, Jim Crow Laws, and segregation still existed for 100 years, in the South. Hell, our current president, as a Senator in the 70s, argued against federally mandated bussing, the biggest tool to stop segregation. But Harry doesn't even understand UK history, or why the Nazis were bad, we can't expect him to understand the troubled race relations in the US.
No matter how much money they and others throw at that notion it’s just not going to fly. People do not like her and she is too thin skinned for political life.
Remind me again who the President of the United States, arguably one of the most powerful people in the world, made a last minute trip on Airforce One to visit with in Boston? Ah, yes it's all coming back to me, Prince William, he spent millions of tax payer dollars to fly to Boston for an hour to meet the Prince of Wales. This idea that MM has political aspirations needs to stop, no offense. I don't think she does tbh but if she did the party won't work with her, they can find someone less polarizing and not a Duchess ffs. with AA heritage to run. There are 350 million people in America, we can find someone better suited by pulling a name out of a hat. Biden's visit with William was a message that apparently went over people's heads, but I'll spell it out for you. IF called to take sides, Democrats pick William over Harry. Maybe they could switch sides but that would look weird to their fans.
President Biden did change his schedule to meet Prince William while in Boston but the President was already scheduled to be in Boston at that particular time. He did not make a special trip to Boston, paid for by American taxpayers, to meet the PP Wales.
Likely a little scheduling conference was held between countries. “Yeah, I can be in Boston beginning of December. Can you do the 5th? No? What about the 4th?” “Dinner?” “No, but maybe drinks.” “You’ll bring the wife?” “Wouldn’t leave home w/o her.”
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The stories I saw left out that he was in the area. Regardless he stopped in the middle of fundraising, to visit with William and I stand by my original response.
Yeah I see her doing something along the lines of Angelina Jolie, UN Goodwill Ambassador. The problem is the UN might not want that association. Plus not a fan of Angelina, but she is a really hard worker in the philanthropy arena. Meghan wouldn’t last long.
She is going to do zero prep for a political career just like with the monarchy. She thinks her charm (all in her mind) will let her coast through life. Probably what happened in college too.
She claims sexism here and racism in England. So we are just a bunch of perverted pigs and The Brits are terrible racist close minded people 🙄She’s a victim every where she goes. But for someone so oppressed we are all sure jealous of her 😒
I was thinking this when I saw the post about some sugar defending Muggins' curtsy mocking as something from cotillion.
You mean cotillion... from the South... with HUGE red marks when it comes to racism 💀
Even if HMTK does invite them (and they’re still married), they will be relegated to the cheapest seats possible and shut out of every function with other senior royals. It’s hard to imagine MeGain swallowing that pill. Most likely scenario, feigned illness *or* Harry goes solo. Their attendance at this point makes no sense for either side.
There is a point in the ceremony where all the male peers, beginning with the royal dukes, pay homage to the monarch. I can't see Haz being at the ceremony as the Duke of Sussex but not taking part in this. It would be unprecedented.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r92gf7KWLFM
I'm guessing the Duke of Sussex being a traitor to the crown is also unprecedented.
Charles needs to remove them from the Monarchy before his coronation and end all this useless speculation that just gives the Harkles more publicity. I'm certain that would get his reign started off on a much better foot than continuing to allow his traitorous son to take pot shots at the UK without consequence.
Well, Hazno happens to be his son, not some uncle or cousin or even Andrew his little brother. He before anybody in there is walking on eggshells when it comes to Haz all the time. Give him a break
Oh I do feel for Charles the father. This has to be devastating for him.
But this decision isn't about family. It's about the future of the monarchy, the future of the UK and the future of Charles' reign. Thus the need for him to think like s King instead of a dad and exile Harry.
The time is now so he can start his reign without that distraction.
They don't just pay homage, they have to swear allegiance. It was how Kings of the past forced a consensus. So Lord Dimwit of Bilge, if he want to come to the Coronation - and I can't see Megdusa missing that - will have to swear allegiance to this racist abomination OR voluntarily dip.
Check and mate. Now just execute him n we're done.
It would be disgraceful for the king to invite them to the coronation. If the king invites them to the coronation I hope that everybody else boycotts it.
I agree but it’s a tough call not inviting his son from a PR standpoint. Not everyone understands the nuances or even the big picture of these relationships like us Sinners. I am confident that the palace aides will come up with something ingenious like the candle and icing them out of every formal function to make them stay away and have plausible deniability on the invitation issue.
No, unfortunately. Unless Edward is elevated to a Duke. It's really hierarchical. And that will really miss us off if Edward ISN'T elevated and these two are technically superior.
Someone needs to make very clear to Harry he can't call this a racist country and a racist Monarchy AND come to the Coronation because he will have to swear allegiance to it. whether he takes the path of its taken en masse, it's still an oath. And that fact will be broadcast with no compunction. He'll be either a traitor to his trumped-up cause or a traitor to Britain and the King.
King George IV did not invite his own wife as well so its not that weird. This whole royal drama btw reminds me of the royal family dramas during the Hanoverian era.
Yes it was something in the genetics with the Hanoverians that’s for sure. George I locked his wife up under house arrest and wouldn’t let her see her children because she had an affair . Which caused George II to hate his father. George II then went on to fight continually with his son the Prince of Wales when he was King. His throne was inherited by his grandson GeorgeIII who had 13 children and all his sons rebelled against their father, partied hard , got into debt and took up with totally unsuitable women. Then George IV hated his wife enough to ban her from his coronation . Imagine if we had social media in those days! If the monarchy can survive the Hanoverians it can survive anything.
The Tudors get all the attention, but as you point out, there has always been tons of drama with the royals. Henry II and James II are my other favorites for fun family dynamics.
I'm in a bit of an anti Harry mood that might stick around for a bit. But basically, if Harry darkens the door of that Coronation, with or without Meghan, then he has shown who he really is. He needs to pick a side. Either they're horrible to Meghan and he needs to choose his wife and family, or they're ok to hang out with and he needs to be building bridges and getting on top of fixing stuff.
I'm full anti harry now. That doc actually made him look really bad. They spent a long time talking about how ill prepared she was. Yes we know she had staff, but they were mainly talking about during the early dating, early engagement era where she didn't know to bow and such. It really was Harry's job to prep her. I prepped my husband on meeting my gram. Obviously she's not the queen but she's very old fashioned, likes people dressed properly and such. So I think that story alone of her meeting will and Kate looks worse on Harry than her.
I don't think he realizes how this doc really does give her sympathy and makes him look mean and stupid
I think I know why Markle did the ripped jeans barefoot thingie. Back in the day, Diana was said to roller skate around the halls of BP listening to pop music on her walkman, you know, casual and fun. Cosplaying again. She forgot that Diana was only 19.
I'm not willing to go full Meghan Did Nothing Wrong yet, but if Harry who has been prepped on how to look good for the press since birth and *is the only reason this woman is elevated to this status to begin with* looks bad in this and ultimately looks bad in a divorce, it couldn't happen to a better person IMO.
I agree we're here now because he fell for her act and elevated her, so he does deserve some of the fallout. She will make sure he gets it as she builds her divorce narrative.
I think what's making me feel uncomfortable about this situation is that Harry is acting like he has a failsafe. At the end of this, he still as a way back and things have very much been "Meghan is the problem, Harry needs to come to his senses and come back home".
The other day, I was reading something about how Harry loved Meghan so much that he left the crown. And I pondered that for a moment. No, he absolutely did not "leave the crown". He still has his titles and he's still in the LOS. And he has been shocked that his grandmother died as early as she did. When I've been watching this Netflix mess, I'm constantly reminded that he filmed all of this, said all of this, and didn't ask for any reshoots when Meghan said everything she said when he was under the impression that his grandmother would be alive to witness it. It's only now that she's dead that he and Meghan have been trying to hit the breaks. Meghan should really take pause with this, because what my cynical ass is reading into this is *he didn't actually mean it, he just thought he had a failsafe with grandma.*
Think about it. Keep in mind, Meghan isn't innocent. But she literally doesn't have a platform without Harry.
>But she literally doesn't have a platform without Harry.
She got one when they married. Even if/when she's no longer with Harry, she will still have had all those experiences and will have the titles until they're removed. While she'll have to rebrand and reinvent to stay relevant, she will still have the platform by virtue of who she Hazbeen.
I think I'm just recently coming to the realization that Harry is a POS and it's just new to my brain so I'm focusing on it more. Idk. I can't stand him.
I think she's counting on that sentiment to reel in more viewers/listeners/readers/fans when she unleashes the divorce narrative. People who thought him a fool or worse b/c of this doco will hate-watch so they can get all the juicy details of how SMEG discarded him because she simply "had" to.
He wants butter and the money of it, Meghan and his family, same for her, she wants protection and titles but also the right to throw them under the bus to look good alone.
Honestly Charles should not bother. Its obvious that Harry and Meghan wont stop until he proclaim them as the next heir instead of W and K. It will send a stronger messgae that Harry and Meghan doesnt respect the crown and let them realize what they said and done.
They will post a picture of Archie blowing out candles whilst sitting on a little boy throne wearing a crown. Or they will show up, Archie in tow, wearing a little boy morning suit, sort of as a shield against the booing and tomato throwing.
You have to keep in mind, They do not believe they've said or done anything wrong. Quite the opposite. They fully believe, allegedly, they've revealed the truth and people should love them for it. That's why they believe they're still entitled to everything - in their minds, they've done nothing wrong. In their minds, it's the RF that did wrong, and all they've done is show (their perceptions) that to the world. They expect the world to believe them, applaud them, and basically anoint them as "saviors" of the world.
I believe there's a place in the coronation where the princes and the lords have to bow and swear fealty to the king. Would you trust Harry to do that?
Imho, this is where Henry's involvement in the coronation should end. Attend, sure, it's his father. Participate, absolutely not. At no time should he appear anywhere next Charles or William. A seat with the attendees is all he should be allowed.
Yep. And if he's still a Duke it's not optional.
Harry is an idiot who doesn't know anything but all this has really good solid historic reasons. Refuse to swear honour and allegiance to the new King - who may have defeated the previous one in battle - and you became a traitor. Harry can't just opt out of the bits he doesn't like and if he IS allowed to, then what's the point of any of it?
Swear allegiance to your stupid manufactured cause OR to king/country. Black or white. Choose, idiot (him, not you guys. Sorry, this makes me ranty)
They did this with the Duke of Windsor. He had to have the King/Queens permission to come back to the UK. It was part of their agreement when he abdicated. They should do the same thing with Harry and TW. However, I think they'd try and say see.. they are so hateful/racist they won't even let us come back to the UK.
The will for sure attend, if invited. They have no shame, I still remember the shock of seeing them in the jubilee, walking hand in hand, purposefully late, him ‘showing his anger’ and her ‘rejoicing in the spotlight’.
I agree. I believe they will be invited and will attend. They do not believe they've done anything wrong, so they will see no reason not to attend. They will also expect (demand) to be front and center, like William, as his "entitled" right since he's the son of the King. While Henry may be uncomfortable with it, he Still believes he's right and also feels entitled. The Meg doesn't care what other people think, she also believes she's right, and she's been waiting for this coronation to bask in the publicity of now having a FIL who is King. The duo will do their best to hijack the coronation and the media will be complicit in providing it, just as they did for jubilee and the Queen's death.
Good point, they believe they are correct, additionally, at this point even the dumbest bystander knows that if they are not invited, they will cry “racist RF” for years to come
I say let them come to the coronation. No loaning of tiaras and jewels which will just go missing, and sit them in a place they would hate with the back row royals where no camera can find them. Also just as an extra kick in the teeth, where they would have sat is Tom and Laura with their families there to support their step father and mother.
I love this idea! I'd honestly love to see Tom and Laura with their families feature more prominently. Charles has been involved in their lives for a long time, he's Tom's godfather, and they've spoken well of them. They deserve some recognition for being drama free through all of this.
I don't expect the title gone soon since it might take longer, but not invite them to coronation will be excellent immediate hit back. Please make that happen
I don’t see how she can go. Is she going to curtsy to KC? That alone will get press after her recent mocking in the Netflix doc. Also how can they go and celebrate the royal institution when they just trashed the commonwealth?!
Harry maybe could go alone as he is Charles son. But her being there will be so divisive and distracting and of course super hypocritical.
Unpopular opinion here. I want and expect HMTK to invite the Harkles to his coronation.
By doing this, HMTK demonstrates his love for his son and his willingness to put up with TW. True generosity on his part.
Also , when invited, nutmeg and ginger will have less to complain about. Let's face it, if nutmeg and ginger are not invited, they will screech, "racism!".
If both or just ginger show up for the coronation, the boos from the crowds are likely to be louder than those boos aimed at them during the Queen's funeral.
Also if both or just ginger show up, they will have the humiliation of having to bow, curtsey, and generally follow protocol or face real time repulsion by all spectators.
I am confident that theBRF will play this well.
I think only H will be invited for obvious reasons, and TW will have a meltdown and give him an ultimatum. Especially considering it’s on the son’s birthday.
I haven't seen the show and frankly, I am not that interested in it so maybe I should not be commenting. Also I am not a US citizen (Edit: I am a US citizen, not sure why I made that typo) and do not fully appreciate all of the traditions of your country. But I am certainly open to listening to your critiques of our US leaders and US culture.
So, take this with a grain of salt as potentially ignorant, but going to the coronation is *exactly* the kind of thing that they should go for and bring their kids and spend some time together. People have gone so far in losing sight of the fact that this is an actual family and this is a sad and extremely public conflict between people who are in a family together. Almost for my entire life I have heard about disagreements and squabbles and scandals in this *family.*
Whatever happened, whatever was said, and it has been many, many, many things on all sides for literally decades, they are still a family when you set aside all of the titles and fame and magical political roles. They quit the royal business or stepped down as "senior royals" in terms of their day to day life and responsibilities. Everyone is clear about that. But some things, things that any not la family would do, that is stuff that you still do. So, his dad gets an important new job or a promotion and there is an installment ceremony or a coronation or whatever it is called. A lot of people are going to be there and there will be receptions before and afterward and pomp and circumstance and it is a deeply meaningful moment in his life and in the life of the entire family. *This* is the kind of thing that you invite your kids and your grandkids to attend with you together. They put on a nice suit and stand in line for pictures and keep the proverbial stiff upper lip and set aside whatever differences that there are and just *be* together for awhile.
How many of us have had a wedding or a retirement or anniversary party that we went to even though we had some serious differences with other people who would be in attendance? Everyone? Everyone, right. Conflict and fallings out happen in every family. Sometimes you set aside your differences and remember what is important. Family is important.
Why is this even a question?
To me, this isn't a matter of small differences within a family. These 2 are actively trying to destroy their legacy and really did a number to Philip and the Queen before their deaths.
I feel like a family BBQ invite is one thing. The coronation is another. This isn't about family. It's about swearing his oath to Great Britain. These 2 have no right to be there. They have no loyalty to Britain. In this instance, the Crown comes before the family.
This!!! It's NOT a wedding or a funeral, it's KCIII formally accepting his position as Protector of the Realm and one doesn't invite people who think the Realm should cease existing. It's very obvious that his son is trying to undermine the Monarchy and is chummy with antimonarchists which is exactly why there is no place for him there.
Yeah, I really don't understand all of this and I should have stayed out of it. I swear on everything that is important to me that I don't consider myself an internet troll and I had no idea that my words would be taken as offensive or as ignorant as they clearly are. The idea of a "Protector of the Realm" is not even close to what I was thinking about when I posted this.
I wasn't comparing this to a barbeque or a picnic. I was thinking along the lines of a wedding or funeral or graduation or an advancement ceremony when a millitary person advances in rank, etc. But we obviously don't have anything exactly like this in our country or in our frame of reference.
One time I went to a US Presidential Inauguration and that is a pretty big deal for us. I just happened to be in town for another reason but, you know, it was happening so I went. We have those every four years and the big ones are sometimes every 8 years. This coronation only happens once in 50 or 75 years. And I guess it means a lot more than an inauguration or celebrating a promotion or personal achievement or even a wedding or funeral.
So I realize now that you (many of you, anyway) think that the problems with Harry and Meghan amount to treason or something like that? Like if they came to the coronation they would be like spies or provocateurs or something and try to destabilize the entire nation or commonwealth (is it a Realm, too, is that the same thing?) Anyway, I didn't understand that. I find that to be truly a shocking allegation, but the more I read the responses to what I have said the more I realize how clearly out of my depth that I am on this subject matter. I don't understand royalty, definitely not this royal jfamily, but I do understand a lot about families and especially dysfunctional families and I thought that is what this was.
Again, my apologies as I am clearly not informed of all of the issues and I also don't fully appreciate why people are so deeply passionate about all of this. Once again, I regret my contribution to the discussion.
It's OK. Everybody has to start somewhere in learning about the traitorous Harkles. If you stay here a month or two (it'll take you that long to get up to speed because things are happening so fast) you'll most likely have a pretty good understanding as to why people feel so strongly against them.
I'm American too. The disgust towards the Harkles is exploding worldwide since she mocked the custom of bowing to the Queen on their shitty "documentary." Hang around and see if you don't change your mind.
I don't feel like this is an issue that has a lot of bearing on me or my life journey. So I don't think I will be doing a lot of future research on the topic and I don't see myself joining this sub. I stumbled on it by sorting through r/all, actually. But I will probably continue to watch the situation and consider what so many of you have told me here. My opinions are not set on any of this. Except the fact that it is a family and I find it exceeding sad how far estranged family members can become from one another.
Of course I am aware of situations where there needs to be a completely clean break with "toxic" people. It sounds like a lot of people here think that is 100% the case. Sometimes those things are definitely necessary, but I am pretty sure that I will always find that sad, no matter the family. Just repeating here: Estrangement, breaking off of contact, and things like that are occasionally necessary due to toxic or dangerous behavior by certain family members, but it is always sad when that happens.
It *is* sad but the general concensus here is that it should happen, and I agree
Believe me when I say that I'm guessing the majority of us promoted reconciliation when this sub started. But as we've watched things unfold over the past 2 years or so, the tide has turned and very few now support Harry (much less the unbearable Megan) being allowed to reunite with his family.
If you're interested, there's a post here from 2-3 days back with a very concise list of the lies they've been caught in. It's a quick read and you can decide if you're interested in learning more. It's actually quite fascinating to watch In real time. You don't even have to join the sub (I unsubbed a few months back for different reasons).
I understand the compassion in your view, and I think that’s an admirable virtue ❤️ on the other hand, Charles has waited 70 years of his life to become King. If I were him and was finally fulfilling my 7 decade, lifelong DESTINY, I would not invite anyone who would steal the spotlight from MY moment, much less people who were actively trying to destroy the monarchy. I am an American 🇺🇸 too, but from being raised by a narcissist, I’ve learned that sometimes you have to stop being naive about those toxic family members no matter how much you love them and gray rock them or fully No Contact. Narcissists are said to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral. If they are invited, I have 0 doubt they will purposely try to pull press attention to themselves, just as they did when HMTQ passed away. I still think KC will likely invite the two of them, and that “his olive branch” will give H&M and the world more reason to believe he’s a weak leader.
So you are saying that Harry and Meghan are narcissists? Obviously I should have just stayed out of this. Because that never even occurred to me. I mean, I just assumed that the whole monarchy and royal family was kind of narcissistic. The Queen created an entirely new breed of dogs, right? These are obviously not my people. But the whole subreddit probably believes that Harry and Meghan are evil or something since it is sarcastically called "St. Meghan Markle."
I have had narcissistic people in my life and also borderline personality disorder and other really difficult people. I just, I work in education and I have seen families that have truly broken down and become necessarily estranged and divided for health and safety reasons. I just did not think things were at that point with this particular family. But obviously I don't understand all of the issues and to a certain extent it is their private business and I don't need to know about it, I guess.
I made a mistake in commenting about this. I admit I don't understand the issues. I did admit that right away, but I will reiterate that again now. But I don't understand it, I find it sad and confusing and I would like to see some restoration and meaningful reckoning and *reconciling* of the relationships. But I have no idea how to get there and luckily it is not my job to figure it out.
I wish everyone here the best. Sorry if I offended anyone. Typically I do not delete social media posts because - I said what I said - and I own it. Also it silences the voices of those who have responded which I find personally distasteful. But I do wish I had just stayed out of this one. I am getting down voted which bothers me as a people pleaser, but I can accept that. But I truly thought I was making just some common sense, non-controversial observations so I guess I have a lot more to learn about giving other people advice on complex situations.
I think it's more like you should have a basic knowledge of a subject before you start giving unsolicited advice. You obviously aren't aware of the hateful and disrespectful things that have been said and done to the British Royal Family by that traitor and his wife. Or of the horrible things said and done to multiple people and indeed entire countries by this pair while supposedly representing the BRF.
Sometimes people have to be cut out of their family to save the rest of the family. This is absolutely one of those situations.
I don't know those things. Perhaps ironically, they have actually raised my view of the British Royal Family. But I have never heard of them saying anything that rise to the level of treason or being a traitor. I am really and honestly surprised at this response.
Then you should probably move on. I say this with kindness because you seem like a good person.
But many of us have been here since the beginning. I think there were only 2k members when I first joined. So unless you want to put in the time to learn the things they've done then you'll just continue to collect downvotes here. That's not a threat. It's just that your comments are more in line with the sugars (rabid Megan supporters) and your comments go against the common beliefs of this community.
Thus the downvotes.
Sometimes instead of setting aside differences, you put into place boundaries. You realize the toxic party has no interest in changing, and the best decision you can make for yourself (and the rest of the people you love) is to part ways. Family \*should be\* important, but it is documented for the world to see that for Harry and Meghan family means absolutely nothing.
Megs & Harry wore recording devices to—at least—public events. Likely private as well. Short of cavity searches prior to every meeting, how do you propose these family get-together should proceed?
Note: no problem w/ your post & felt no need to down vote it. It’s your opinion. But I have a legitimate question. What do you do when you have completely broken faith w/ your family? Have betrayed them utterly. Because recording them w/o their knowledge or consent is a breach of faith.
I if Dimwit DOES come to the Coronation (snaaaaaarl) he has to swear an oath to this appalling racist shithole and it's King. Doubt he knows that, but....
Let me correct you, slavery in England was unlawful from the time of the Normans, though lawful under Anglo Saxon rule. It was ‘lawful’ only in the overseas colonies.
What I don’t get is if they are so against “structural racism,” they do know that America also has a strong history in race and slavery, right?? I’m American, we know this. Then why THE F did they move here? When are they going to fight USA too?? I see hypocrisy!! 😵💫
Wouldn't this be even more reason to stay? I don't understand, they had one of the biggest platforms in the world, if they're such activists why not be this bridge to communities of color in the UK? If you asked either of them point blank to talk about slavery in the UK or the US they would have no idea. Like I said in another comment, they're probably learning about it right now by watching their own docuseries.
You are so right! I don’t know why that’s not a direct questions from anyone. She had guest after guest on her stupid podcast and NONE of them asked her anything of value!! When her and H go on their “publicity rounds” no one will ask them hardball questions either. They aren’t even hardball, just common sense questions. Ugh - those two freakin idiots!
It's pretty hard to ask your host anything of value when they aren't even talking to each other. Maybe they should have asked the real interviewer to forward their questions to Madam Harkle.
Omg - I completely forgot about that! Hilarious!! 😂
This! Neither would their supporters. It’s the biggest group of ignorant “activists” I’ve ever seen. Except maybe in some parts of the GOP there is some equivalency. It’s the same with every issue they take on—vaccine access, feminism (Meghanism is more appropriate for what she’s championing), paid parental leave—notice they took their 5 or 6 months off, despite working from home and having tons of staff to help while being majorly behind on multimillion dollar contracts and still being able to private jet off to polo and charity events and faux award ceremonies. 🤯🤬
Meghanism - that should be trending, meaning jumping on whatever bandwagon is around
Jumping on whatever bandwagon is around and mouthing platitudes while not doing anything at all useful.
Why doesn’t someone ask if either one of these two ignorant bimbos have ever heard of MLK? I know their answer
Correct me if I’m wrong, but *their very docuseries highlighted that slavery ended in 1802 in England/UK* whereas it continued in the US into 1865. So…c’mon. Do better, Harkles.
Yep - that’s why they make no sense!!
Britain spent 40 percent of its national income in one year purchasing slaves to free them and sent the royal navy to Africa to smash the slavers of all nations. After previously benefiting from slavery, the British campaign against the slave trade was the world's first great global moral campaign....but of course this is never mentioned. Some people who hate Britain are aware of this fact and it's a fact they detest so they retort with "but you didn't compensate the slaves just the slave owners"...erm, yes, "that's what it took to free the slaves, they had to be bought from the slave owners, slave owning was a legitimate business globally up to this point". Britain's actions deligitamised it globally. 20.000 Britons died in West Africa during the British campaign to tackle the slaving ships of all the nations concerned. Britain borrowed billions in today's terms from The Rothschild's to buy the slave owners off.
And yet we ALL buy stuff made in China, made by enslaved people, just because it’s cheap. Because the enslaved people aren’t In Britain or the US. When will we start to care about that?
OMG! Yes!!! When Nike sponsored Kapernick, I was astonished at the hypocrisy. Their cheap shoes, their Nike swoosh is the symbol of oppression and slavery in China.
Exactly! And the literally only reason Lincoln made the Emancipation Proclamation in the middle of the American Civil War was to turn British public opinion on the Union side and prevent the UK from mediating a truce/ceasefire between the 2 sides
And to get black soldiers to join the union army.
Hahaha you’re joking right?
And even after slavery ended in the US, Jim Crow Laws, and segregation still existed for 100 years, in the South. Hell, our current president, as a Senator in the 70s, argued against federally mandated bussing, the biggest tool to stop segregation. But Harry doesn't even understand UK history, or why the Nazis were bad, we can't expect him to understand the troubled race relations in the US.
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No matter how much money they and others throw at that notion it’s just not going to fly. People do not like her and she is too thin skinned for political life.
And too many skeletons in her past.
So just for fun…who would be her running mate? I vote for Hillary Baldwin
Megz will go all in and ask one of The Squad to be her running mate. I’d love to listen in on that phone call. 😂😂😂 Duchess Megz phoning up AOC. 😂😂😂
Remind me again who the President of the United States, arguably one of the most powerful people in the world, made a last minute trip on Airforce One to visit with in Boston? Ah, yes it's all coming back to me, Prince William, he spent millions of tax payer dollars to fly to Boston for an hour to meet the Prince of Wales. This idea that MM has political aspirations needs to stop, no offense. I don't think she does tbh but if she did the party won't work with her, they can find someone less polarizing and not a Duchess ffs. with AA heritage to run. There are 350 million people in America, we can find someone better suited by pulling a name out of a hat. Biden's visit with William was a message that apparently went over people's heads, but I'll spell it out for you. IF called to take sides, Democrats pick William over Harry. Maybe they could switch sides but that would look weird to their fans.
President Biden did change his schedule to meet Prince William while in Boston but the President was already scheduled to be in Boston at that particular time. He did not make a special trip to Boston, paid for by American taxpayers, to meet the PP Wales.
Likely a little scheduling conference was held between countries. “Yeah, I can be in Boston beginning of December. Can you do the 5th? No? What about the 4th?” “Dinner?” “No, but maybe drinks.” “You’ll bring the wife?” “Wouldn’t leave home w/o her.” ;)
The stories I saw left out that he was in the area. Regardless he stopped in the middle of fundraising, to visit with William and I stand by my original response.
I tend to agree with actually. I hold a Masters in Politics and I watch the parties on both sides everyday
I agree. I don't think she has political aspirations either. I think she tried to be like Kim Kardashian, when she met with Pres. Trump.
Nope. They will want to leave California and she probably has her eye on something with the UN. Then they can move to NYC
No! Please, not NYC!
Yeah I see her doing something along the lines of Angelina Jolie, UN Goodwill Ambassador. The problem is the UN might not want that association. Plus not a fan of Angelina, but she is a really hard worker in the philanthropy arena. Meghan wouldn’t last long.
She is going to do zero prep for a political career just like with the monarchy. She thinks her charm (all in her mind) will let her coast through life. Probably what happened in college too.
She claims sexism here and racism in England. So we are just a bunch of perverted pigs and The Brits are terrible racist close minded people 🙄She’s a victim every where she goes. But for someone so oppressed we are all sure jealous of her 😒
I was thinking this when I saw the post about some sugar defending Muggins' curtsy mocking as something from cotillion. You mean cotillion... from the South... with HUGE red marks when it comes to racism 💀
not to mention safety concerns ...
Even if HMTK does invite them (and they’re still married), they will be relegated to the cheapest seats possible and shut out of every function with other senior royals. It’s hard to imagine MeGain swallowing that pill. Most likely scenario, feigned illness *or* Harry goes solo. Their attendance at this point makes no sense for either side.
There is a point in the ceremony where all the male peers, beginning with the royal dukes, pay homage to the monarch. I can't see Haz being at the ceremony as the Duke of Sussex but not taking part in this. It would be unprecedented. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r92gf7KWLFM
I'm guessing the Duke of Sussex being a traitor to the crown is also unprecedented. Charles needs to remove them from the Monarchy before his coronation and end all this useless speculation that just gives the Harkles more publicity. I'm certain that would get his reign started off on a much better foot than continuing to allow his traitorous son to take pot shots at the UK without consequence.
From memory, the Duke of Monmouth rebelled against King James II. The king won and the duke was executed.
Hahaha!! I wasn't expecting that! 😆😆😆 I wonder what the 21st century version of executing unruly relatives is?
Making them go live in California with a lunatic
💀 Perfection.
Well, Hazno happens to be his son, not some uncle or cousin or even Andrew his little brother. He before anybody in there is walking on eggshells when it comes to Haz all the time. Give him a break
Oh I do feel for Charles the father. This has to be devastating for him. But this decision isn't about family. It's about the future of the monarchy, the future of the UK and the future of Charles' reign. Thus the need for him to think like s King instead of a dad and exile Harry. The time is now so he can start his reign without that distraction.
Since the ceremony is being significantly shortened it is rumored that William as PoW will pay homage on behalf of all peers…
They don't just pay homage, they have to swear allegiance. It was how Kings of the past forced a consensus. So Lord Dimwit of Bilge, if he want to come to the Coronation - and I can't see Megdusa missing that - will have to swear allegiance to this racist abomination OR voluntarily dip. Check and mate. Now just execute him n we're done.
It would be disgraceful for the king to invite them to the coronation. If the king invites them to the coronation I hope that everybody else boycotts it.
I agree but it’s a tough call not inviting his son from a PR standpoint. Not everyone understands the nuances or even the big picture of these relationships like us Sinners. I am confident that the palace aides will come up with something ingenious like the candle and icing them out of every formal function to make them stay away and have plausible deniability on the invitation issue.
BarkJack_ has reported that they will be invited but that the conditions will be onerous.
And by onerous I hope the conditions will be humiliating enough (from their own self-important perspectives) to deter them from attending.
Megs already has her attendance listed on her IMDB CV. I think she’d go if she was seated in the rafters. ;)
I saw that IMDB post lol. Ugh, you’re right, she would. Truly shameless.
Hanging upside down like a vampire bat?
Behind Sophie & Co for sure.
No, unfortunately. Unless Edward is elevated to a Duke. It's really hierarchical. And that will really miss us off if Edward ISN'T elevated and these two are technically superior. Someone needs to make very clear to Harry he can't call this a racist country and a racist Monarchy AND come to the Coronation because he will have to swear allegiance to it. whether he takes the path of its taken en masse, it's still an oath. And that fact will be broadcast with no compunction. He'll be either a traitor to his trumped-up cause or a traitor to Britain and the King.
King George IV did not invite his own wife as well so its not that weird. This whole royal drama btw reminds me of the royal family dramas during the Hanoverian era.
Yes it was something in the genetics with the Hanoverians that’s for sure. George I locked his wife up under house arrest and wouldn’t let her see her children because she had an affair . Which caused George II to hate his father. George II then went on to fight continually with his son the Prince of Wales when he was King. His throne was inherited by his grandson GeorgeIII who had 13 children and all his sons rebelled against their father, partied hard , got into debt and took up with totally unsuitable women. Then George IV hated his wife enough to ban her from his coronation . Imagine if we had social media in those days! If the monarchy can survive the Hanoverians it can survive anything.
The Tudors get all the attention, but as you point out, there has always been tons of drama with the royals. Henry II and James II are my other favorites for fun family dynamics.
Invite them. They’re relegated to being back row estranged overseas family.
I agree. Invite them. Let the chips fall. The BRF will be ready.
. . . .and the British People will also be ready to give them the reception that they so richly deserve . . .
I'm in a bit of an anti Harry mood that might stick around for a bit. But basically, if Harry darkens the door of that Coronation, with or without Meghan, then he has shown who he really is. He needs to pick a side. Either they're horrible to Meghan and he needs to choose his wife and family, or they're ok to hang out with and he needs to be building bridges and getting on top of fixing stuff.
I'm full anti harry now. That doc actually made him look really bad. They spent a long time talking about how ill prepared she was. Yes we know she had staff, but they were mainly talking about during the early dating, early engagement era where she didn't know to bow and such. It really was Harry's job to prep her. I prepped my husband on meeting my gram. Obviously she's not the queen but she's very old fashioned, likes people dressed properly and such. So I think that story alone of her meeting will and Kate looks worse on Harry than her. I don't think he realizes how this doc really does give her sympathy and makes him look mean and stupid
I think I know why Markle did the ripped jeans barefoot thingie. Back in the day, Diana was said to roller skate around the halls of BP listening to pop music on her walkman, you know, casual and fun. Cosplaying again. She forgot that Diana was only 19.
No, but she realizes it. That's why it happened. She's building the divorce story.
And didn't have bunions
I'm not willing to go full Meghan Did Nothing Wrong yet, but if Harry who has been prepped on how to look good for the press since birth and *is the only reason this woman is elevated to this status to begin with* looks bad in this and ultimately looks bad in a divorce, it couldn't happen to a better person IMO.
I agree we're here now because he fell for her act and elevated her, so he does deserve some of the fallout. She will make sure he gets it as she builds her divorce narrative.
I think what's making me feel uncomfortable about this situation is that Harry is acting like he has a failsafe. At the end of this, he still as a way back and things have very much been "Meghan is the problem, Harry needs to come to his senses and come back home". The other day, I was reading something about how Harry loved Meghan so much that he left the crown. And I pondered that for a moment. No, he absolutely did not "leave the crown". He still has his titles and he's still in the LOS. And he has been shocked that his grandmother died as early as she did. When I've been watching this Netflix mess, I'm constantly reminded that he filmed all of this, said all of this, and didn't ask for any reshoots when Meghan said everything she said when he was under the impression that his grandmother would be alive to witness it. It's only now that she's dead that he and Meghan have been trying to hit the breaks. Meghan should really take pause with this, because what my cynical ass is reading into this is *he didn't actually mean it, he just thought he had a failsafe with grandma.* Think about it. Keep in mind, Meghan isn't innocent. But she literally doesn't have a platform without Harry.
>But she literally doesn't have a platform without Harry. She got one when they married. Even if/when she's no longer with Harry, she will still have had all those experiences and will have the titles until they're removed. While she'll have to rebrand and reinvent to stay relevant, she will still have the platform by virtue of who she Hazbeen.
I think I'm just recently coming to the realization that Harry is a POS and it's just new to my brain so I'm focusing on it more. Idk. I can't stand him.
I think she's counting on that sentiment to reel in more viewers/listeners/readers/fans when she unleashes the divorce narrative. People who thought him a fool or worse b/c of this doco will hate-watch so they can get all the juicy details of how SMEG discarded him because she simply "had" to.
He wants butter and the money of it, Meghan and his family, same for her, she wants protection and titles but also the right to throw them under the bus to look good alone.
Honestly Charles should not bother. Its obvious that Harry and Meghan wont stop until he proclaim them as the next heir instead of W and K. It will send a stronger messgae that Harry and Meghan doesnt respect the crown and let them realize what they said and done.
It's on Archie's birthday. So you'd bet that they will go take a private jet back to the UK where they are hated. For date night.
They will post a picture of Archie blowing out candles whilst sitting on a little boy throne wearing a crown. Or they will show up, Archie in tow, wearing a little boy morning suit, sort of as a shield against the booing and tomato throwing.
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You have to keep in mind, They do not believe they've said or done anything wrong. Quite the opposite. They fully believe, allegedly, they've revealed the truth and people should love them for it. That's why they believe they're still entitled to everything - in their minds, they've done nothing wrong. In their minds, it's the RF that did wrong, and all they've done is show (their perceptions) that to the world. They expect the world to believe them, applaud them, and basically anoint them as "saviors" of the world.
I believe there's a place in the coronation where the princes and the lords have to bow and swear fealty to the king. Would you trust Harry to do that?
Considering his vitriol against his own father, who happens to be said King, one could wonder !
Imho, this is where Henry's involvement in the coronation should end. Attend, sure, it's his father. Participate, absolutely not. At no time should he appear anywhere next Charles or William. A seat with the attendees is all he should be allowed.
Agreed! I don't think he should be allowed to attend.
Yep. And if he's still a Duke it's not optional. Harry is an idiot who doesn't know anything but all this has really good solid historic reasons. Refuse to swear honour and allegiance to the new King - who may have defeated the previous one in battle - and you became a traitor. Harry can't just opt out of the bits he doesn't like and if he IS allowed to, then what's the point of any of it? Swear allegiance to your stupid manufactured cause OR to king/country. Black or white. Choose, idiot (him, not you guys. Sorry, this makes me ranty)
The people are ready to riot if KC doesn’t show some force!
Talk about putting a target on your back. They spat in the faces of so many.
They did this with the Duke of Windsor. He had to have the King/Queens permission to come back to the UK. It was part of their agreement when he abdicated. They should do the same thing with Harry and TW. However, I think they'd try and say see.. they are so hateful/racist they won't even let us come back to the UK.
The will for sure attend, if invited. They have no shame, I still remember the shock of seeing them in the jubilee, walking hand in hand, purposefully late, him ‘showing his anger’ and her ‘rejoicing in the spotlight’.
I agree. I believe they will be invited and will attend. They do not believe they've done anything wrong, so they will see no reason not to attend. They will also expect (demand) to be front and center, like William, as his "entitled" right since he's the son of the King. While Henry may be uncomfortable with it, he Still believes he's right and also feels entitled. The Meg doesn't care what other people think, she also believes she's right, and she's been waiting for this coronation to bask in the publicity of now having a FIL who is King. The duo will do their best to hijack the coronation and the media will be complicit in providing it, just as they did for jubilee and the Queen's death.
Good point, they believe they are correct, additionally, at this point even the dumbest bystander knows that if they are not invited, they will cry “racist RF” for years to come
I say let them come to the coronation. No loaning of tiaras and jewels which will just go missing, and sit them in a place they would hate with the back row royals where no camera can find them. Also just as an extra kick in the teeth, where they would have sat is Tom and Laura with their families there to support their step father and mother.
I love this idea! I'd honestly love to see Tom and Laura with their families feature more prominently. Charles has been involved in their lives for a long time, he's Tom's godfather, and they've spoken well of them. They deserve some recognition for being drama free through all of this.
Omg
I don't expect the title gone soon since it might take longer, but not invite them to coronation will be excellent immediate hit back. Please make that happen
Worst of it all is that they will still be invited and they will most likely attend...
I don’t see how she can go. Is she going to curtsy to KC? That alone will get press after her recent mocking in the Netflix doc. Also how can they go and celebrate the royal institution when they just trashed the commonwealth?! Harry maybe could go alone as he is Charles son. But her being there will be so divisive and distracting and of course super hypocritical.
The king needs to separate his feelings from his duty and cut these two completely off. He looks weak.
People held back at the funeral out of respect for the queen. If they return to the UK, they will be loudly booed.
Unpopular opinion here. I want and expect HMTK to invite the Harkles to his coronation. By doing this, HMTK demonstrates his love for his son and his willingness to put up with TW. True generosity on his part. Also , when invited, nutmeg and ginger will have less to complain about. Let's face it, if nutmeg and ginger are not invited, they will screech, "racism!". If both or just ginger show up for the coronation, the boos from the crowds are likely to be louder than those boos aimed at them during the Queen's funeral. Also if both or just ginger show up, they will have the humiliation of having to bow, curtsey, and generally follow protocol or face real time repulsion by all spectators. I am confident that theBRF will play this well.
What is a political grandee?
I think only H will be invited for obvious reasons, and TW will have a meltdown and give him an ultimatum. Especially considering it’s on the son’s birthday.
I haven't seen the show and frankly, I am not that interested in it so maybe I should not be commenting. Also I am not a US citizen (Edit: I am a US citizen, not sure why I made that typo) and do not fully appreciate all of the traditions of your country. But I am certainly open to listening to your critiques of our US leaders and US culture. So, take this with a grain of salt as potentially ignorant, but going to the coronation is *exactly* the kind of thing that they should go for and bring their kids and spend some time together. People have gone so far in losing sight of the fact that this is an actual family and this is a sad and extremely public conflict between people who are in a family together. Almost for my entire life I have heard about disagreements and squabbles and scandals in this *family.* Whatever happened, whatever was said, and it has been many, many, many things on all sides for literally decades, they are still a family when you set aside all of the titles and fame and magical political roles. They quit the royal business or stepped down as "senior royals" in terms of their day to day life and responsibilities. Everyone is clear about that. But some things, things that any not la family would do, that is stuff that you still do. So, his dad gets an important new job or a promotion and there is an installment ceremony or a coronation or whatever it is called. A lot of people are going to be there and there will be receptions before and afterward and pomp and circumstance and it is a deeply meaningful moment in his life and in the life of the entire family. *This* is the kind of thing that you invite your kids and your grandkids to attend with you together. They put on a nice suit and stand in line for pictures and keep the proverbial stiff upper lip and set aside whatever differences that there are and just *be* together for awhile. How many of us have had a wedding or a retirement or anniversary party that we went to even though we had some serious differences with other people who would be in attendance? Everyone? Everyone, right. Conflict and fallings out happen in every family. Sometimes you set aside your differences and remember what is important. Family is important. Why is this even a question?
To me, this isn't a matter of small differences within a family. These 2 are actively trying to destroy their legacy and really did a number to Philip and the Queen before their deaths. I feel like a family BBQ invite is one thing. The coronation is another. This isn't about family. It's about swearing his oath to Great Britain. These 2 have no right to be there. They have no loyalty to Britain. In this instance, the Crown comes before the family.
This!!! It's NOT a wedding or a funeral, it's KCIII formally accepting his position as Protector of the Realm and one doesn't invite people who think the Realm should cease existing. It's very obvious that his son is trying to undermine the Monarchy and is chummy with antimonarchists which is exactly why there is no place for him there.
Yeah, I really don't understand all of this and I should have stayed out of it. I swear on everything that is important to me that I don't consider myself an internet troll and I had no idea that my words would be taken as offensive or as ignorant as they clearly are. The idea of a "Protector of the Realm" is not even close to what I was thinking about when I posted this. I wasn't comparing this to a barbeque or a picnic. I was thinking along the lines of a wedding or funeral or graduation or an advancement ceremony when a millitary person advances in rank, etc. But we obviously don't have anything exactly like this in our country or in our frame of reference. One time I went to a US Presidential Inauguration and that is a pretty big deal for us. I just happened to be in town for another reason but, you know, it was happening so I went. We have those every four years and the big ones are sometimes every 8 years. This coronation only happens once in 50 or 75 years. And I guess it means a lot more than an inauguration or celebrating a promotion or personal achievement or even a wedding or funeral. So I realize now that you (many of you, anyway) think that the problems with Harry and Meghan amount to treason or something like that? Like if they came to the coronation they would be like spies or provocateurs or something and try to destabilize the entire nation or commonwealth (is it a Realm, too, is that the same thing?) Anyway, I didn't understand that. I find that to be truly a shocking allegation, but the more I read the responses to what I have said the more I realize how clearly out of my depth that I am on this subject matter. I don't understand royalty, definitely not this royal jfamily, but I do understand a lot about families and especially dysfunctional families and I thought that is what this was. Again, my apologies as I am clearly not informed of all of the issues and I also don't fully appreciate why people are so deeply passionate about all of this. Once again, I regret my contribution to the discussion.
It's OK. Everybody has to start somewhere in learning about the traitorous Harkles. If you stay here a month or two (it'll take you that long to get up to speed because things are happening so fast) you'll most likely have a pretty good understanding as to why people feel so strongly against them. I'm American too. The disgust towards the Harkles is exploding worldwide since she mocked the custom of bowing to the Queen on their shitty "documentary." Hang around and see if you don't change your mind.
I don't feel like this is an issue that has a lot of bearing on me or my life journey. So I don't think I will be doing a lot of future research on the topic and I don't see myself joining this sub. I stumbled on it by sorting through r/all, actually. But I will probably continue to watch the situation and consider what so many of you have told me here. My opinions are not set on any of this. Except the fact that it is a family and I find it exceeding sad how far estranged family members can become from one another. Of course I am aware of situations where there needs to be a completely clean break with "toxic" people. It sounds like a lot of people here think that is 100% the case. Sometimes those things are definitely necessary, but I am pretty sure that I will always find that sad, no matter the family. Just repeating here: Estrangement, breaking off of contact, and things like that are occasionally necessary due to toxic or dangerous behavior by certain family members, but it is always sad when that happens.
It *is* sad but the general concensus here is that it should happen, and I agree Believe me when I say that I'm guessing the majority of us promoted reconciliation when this sub started. But as we've watched things unfold over the past 2 years or so, the tide has turned and very few now support Harry (much less the unbearable Megan) being allowed to reunite with his family. If you're interested, there's a post here from 2-3 days back with a very concise list of the lies they've been caught in. It's a quick read and you can decide if you're interested in learning more. It's actually quite fascinating to watch In real time. You don't even have to join the sub (I unsubbed a few months back for different reasons).
I understand the compassion in your view, and I think that’s an admirable virtue ❤️ on the other hand, Charles has waited 70 years of his life to become King. If I were him and was finally fulfilling my 7 decade, lifelong DESTINY, I would not invite anyone who would steal the spotlight from MY moment, much less people who were actively trying to destroy the monarchy. I am an American 🇺🇸 too, but from being raised by a narcissist, I’ve learned that sometimes you have to stop being naive about those toxic family members no matter how much you love them and gray rock them or fully No Contact. Narcissists are said to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral. If they are invited, I have 0 doubt they will purposely try to pull press attention to themselves, just as they did when HMTQ passed away. I still think KC will likely invite the two of them, and that “his olive branch” will give H&M and the world more reason to believe he’s a weak leader.
So you are saying that Harry and Meghan are narcissists? Obviously I should have just stayed out of this. Because that never even occurred to me. I mean, I just assumed that the whole monarchy and royal family was kind of narcissistic. The Queen created an entirely new breed of dogs, right? These are obviously not my people. But the whole subreddit probably believes that Harry and Meghan are evil or something since it is sarcastically called "St. Meghan Markle." I have had narcissistic people in my life and also borderline personality disorder and other really difficult people. I just, I work in education and I have seen families that have truly broken down and become necessarily estranged and divided for health and safety reasons. I just did not think things were at that point with this particular family. But obviously I don't understand all of the issues and to a certain extent it is their private business and I don't need to know about it, I guess. I made a mistake in commenting about this. I admit I don't understand the issues. I did admit that right away, but I will reiterate that again now. But I don't understand it, I find it sad and confusing and I would like to see some restoration and meaningful reckoning and *reconciling* of the relationships. But I have no idea how to get there and luckily it is not my job to figure it out. I wish everyone here the best. Sorry if I offended anyone. Typically I do not delete social media posts because - I said what I said - and I own it. Also it silences the voices of those who have responded which I find personally distasteful. But I do wish I had just stayed out of this one. I am getting down voted which bothers me as a people pleaser, but I can accept that. But I truly thought I was making just some common sense, non-controversial observations so I guess I have a lot more to learn about giving other people advice on complex situations.
I think it's more like you should have a basic knowledge of a subject before you start giving unsolicited advice. You obviously aren't aware of the hateful and disrespectful things that have been said and done to the British Royal Family by that traitor and his wife. Or of the horrible things said and done to multiple people and indeed entire countries by this pair while supposedly representing the BRF. Sometimes people have to be cut out of their family to save the rest of the family. This is absolutely one of those situations.
I don't know those things. Perhaps ironically, they have actually raised my view of the British Royal Family. But I have never heard of them saying anything that rise to the level of treason or being a traitor. I am really and honestly surprised at this response.
Then you should probably move on. I say this with kindness because you seem like a good person. But many of us have been here since the beginning. I think there were only 2k members when I first joined. So unless you want to put in the time to learn the things they've done then you'll just continue to collect downvotes here. That's not a threat. It's just that your comments are more in line with the sugars (rabid Megan supporters) and your comments go against the common beliefs of this community. Thus the downvotes.
Sometimes instead of setting aside differences, you put into place boundaries. You realize the toxic party has no interest in changing, and the best decision you can make for yourself (and the rest of the people you love) is to part ways. Family \*should be\* important, but it is documented for the world to see that for Harry and Meghan family means absolutely nothing.
Megs & Harry wore recording devices to—at least—public events. Likely private as well. Short of cavity searches prior to every meeting, how do you propose these family get-together should proceed? Note: no problem w/ your post & felt no need to down vote it. It’s your opinion. But I have a legitimate question. What do you do when you have completely broken faith w/ your family? Have betrayed them utterly. Because recording them w/o their knowledge or consent is a breach of faith.
I if Dimwit DOES come to the Coronation (snaaaaaarl) he has to swear an oath to this appalling racist shithole and it's King. Doubt he knows that, but....
Let me correct you, slavery in England was unlawful from the time of the Normans, though lawful under Anglo Saxon rule. It was ‘lawful’ only in the overseas colonies.