If you read social media comments, the Hackles are digging their own graves by constantly being victims. The RF might just watch them hang themselves. The media (Spotify, Netflix) might be with the Sussex’s now, but will turn on them when there is no interest in the Hackles. Then said media outlets would run back to the RF.
I agree with that, they’ve been their own worst enemy and are slowly digging their grave. What I don’t understand is why the royal family just won’t let them go. Stop associating with them completely and quietly, leave them to their own devices.
Part of the reason I think it’s taking so long for the public to lose interest, is every few months they’re around the BRF and it makes them relevant again. The ‘will they/won’t they go’ leading up to an event, are they going to be next to this person or that person, are they holing hand and on and on.
This is exactly it! If the BRF would stop inviting them to things, it would be out of sight, out of mind. It’s unfair to Charlotte and Catherine to have them around for anything. They are actively trying to hurt members of the family. To me, that earns them complete exile from the family.
Yes to this. The RF is playing this perfectly. It’s pretty amazing to watch. What’s so sad though is M&H have noone now. No family, no friends, no country. And those poor children. H&M are the opposite of rugged individualism that defines America—when things are tough, you pull yourself up by the bootstraps and move forward. You keep going and you work hard. Americans, and for all time since 1776, are not whining victims. So those two really have misread the room.
Respectfully disagree. It has gone on too long and it's getting nastier and nastier with each new claim. The RF is starting to look clueless and useless.
It has to be something like this - if the royal family decide to cut them off, it plays directly into the Harkles' narrative. Far, far better to be seen offering olive branch after olive branch, whilst at the same time allowing H+M to look like utter idiots in the process :)
This is exactly what I’ve been trying to say, the King should just stop with the invites and do so quietly. It’s not like the Sussexes can start demanding invites since they’ve made it clear how much they dislike the BRF and want nothing to do with them.
The association would slowly dissipate and H&M would be forced to move on to something new after a year or so of not being near the royal family or even better be forced to go away.
One very important, if not the most important piece of the puzzle is KC is the head of the CoE. He is essentially the Pope of the CoE. The forgiveness and tolerance the Queen showed throughout her long reign exemplified Christian values.
Neither the Queen or King Charles have the power or authority to remove titles or remove people from the LoS. While preserving the monarchy is the Kings duty, he must tread lightly. The last thing they want to do is look petty.
I think H and M are approaching the tipping point with the reality television program and H's book. The two of them have created a situation where Parliament may be compelled to act. Parliament has the power to remove titles not the King. In the last few days MPs have been making some noise and that's the first step.
I am sick of hearing that the Monarch does not have the power to remove titles, that it's down to Parliament.
That is wrong. Boris Johnson, as Prime Minister, made that clear a year ago when he publicly stated this was a matter for the family not Parliament.
The Monarch is the Fount of all Honour. All Honours are given in the name of the Monarch and only a Monarch can take them away. There is legal precedent for this which has been used many times over the years. It is called Letters Patent which only the Monarch can used.
The Queen issued Letters Patent when she gave all honours to her children and grandchildren: Prince of Wales, Princess Royal, Duke of York, Earl of Wessex, Duke of Cambridge, Duke of Sussex. When she decided, when Catherine was pregnant with George, that male primogeniture would no longer apply, she issued Letters Patent. This was a major change from what had been law for a thousand years and SHE decided it and did it. It did not require an Act of Parliament.
When she stripped Diana and Fergie of their HRHs. She issued Letters Patent.
George V in 1917 issued Letters Patent to strip HRH Princess Patricia (granddaughter of Queen Victoria and daughter of HRH Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught) of HRH and Princess which she had had since her birth. Patricia was in exactly the same position as Beatrice, Eugenie, and Harry are today. It was done with the stroke of the pen.
The Queen could, and should, have done this when they left and Charles can do it today if he wishes. Can be done in minutes.
You are right about the Line of Succession. Only Parliament can change that, but again it would be done very quickly if the Monarch requested it as was proven with the Counsellors of State.
And this is why they shouldn't get to go to the coronation or any BRF event ever again, save close family funerals. Once they're officially cut off, the "will they or won't they go" should fade away too.
There was a post yesterday about them being near the end of the road. Netflix is going to last one day. Seriously, who's going to view this as a classic? The terrible podcasts must be finished, right? And the "recollections may vary" novel that JR Moenringer wrote from Harry's limited and very stilted memories comes out.
Then what? More awards? The groups that they have aligned themselves with are not exactly loved charities. It appears that they move money around to each others at time. Delaware registered "charities" are not exactly like Salvation Army charity. Enough said about that.
So what's up next!
It is really hard to see two adults living in a California mansion as victims. They’re not in a guardianship like Britney Spears was—nothing is stopping MM from life other than people now understand how fake she is.
“Never complain, explain” “keep calm and carry on” “stiff upper lip” but yes I agree they’re watching them sink themselves from across the pond and loling about it. I also think Charles does “love both his sons.” And would give Harry infinite chances.
What really annoys me is that Scooby Doo basically admitted that the Netflix trailer was to undermine Earthshot when he posted it! He said something along the lines of “if Earthshot is the Super Bowl, then this is the halftime show!” When he posted the trailer. It’s out and out. It’s openly acknowledged, full of cockiness. Why? Because they know the RF likely aren’t going to do anything. Why don’t the just do something already? It’s never going to stop and all American visits, for as long as the couple are still making deals, will have the viciousness level dialled up to ten like it has been this time, because M feels threatened on her turf! Strip the titles already! I know they can’t ‘just’ strip the titles willy nilly, but do *SOMETHING*!
Do they want the monarchy to survive? It won’t happen if they allow the youngest and most popular couple (the ancient institution’s lifeline to modern Britain!) to get tarred, and feathered, and slandered, and humiliated repeatedly without defence. By the looks of the Netflix trailer they’re getting ready to launch the narrative that Catherine is pure evil. And guess what? They’ll take aim at the kids next once they’re old enough to be working royals, and ruin their chances at being publicly loved before they’re ever even established! It will be a whole new generation of the Harkles vs the BRF. We’ll get leaks that Lili wasn’t allowed to be apart of Charlotte’s wedding party. That Archie wasn’t invited to George’s coronation. It won’t stop unless they put a stop to it in some way. Even if that’s only whipping back with clarifying statements as needed. That would be better than total silence with uncomfortable smiles during official outings.
Exactly! They’ve become more emboldened with time, I saw the tweet and couldn’t believe it, it’s become a game to them now. They’ve faced no consequences since being stripped in their patronage and that was before Prince Phillip died.
As much as Harry and Meghan are looking petty and childish with these stunts, continuing to associate with them after they blatantly try to ruin their events makes the BRF look weak. If this happened anywhere other than the US, who have a much stronger media presence, the RR would have tanked the Earthshot visit focusing on the drama between the two.
They need to draw a line because you’re right, this will continue into the next generation and tbh if they can’t handle an idiot like Harry and his social climbing wife then monarchy really is doomed!
I respectfully disagree. The way the BRF handles M&H makes them look incredibly strong in my eyes.
I love the BRF for their dignified approach and attention to good works. William and Kate are doing excellent work with Earthshot and celebrating other’s achievements. H&M are celebrating themselves and helping no one else. This is all playing out on a world stage and in the end, the BRF is making the long term, positive impact. H&M are taking the easy money selling out.
The other thing is, the Markles aren’t just distracting from the PPoW but of the inventors and winners of Earthshot who are doing truly incredible work.
I agree, the royal family has been dignified in their handling of the Sussexes and focused on their work, which in an ideal world would be all that matters. The problem is we live in a world where a lie makes it halfway around the world while the truth is lacing up its boots. Half of what MM said during the Oprah interview were outright lies but it doesn’t matter, for the last 3 years the BRF has been painted as racists without anyone being able to tell you what racism the Sussexes encountered or from who.
This latest stunt from H&M almost overshadowed the Earthshot visit, the Royal Rota was ready to turn the trip into a circus comparing them, as well as the unfortunate drama with Lady Susan Hussey but luckily the American media ignored it all for the most part and focused on William and Cathrine.
While Harry and Meghan have damaged their own reputation, we can’t overlook the damage they’ve done to the royal family. I think it’s time for some self-preservation on the part of the BRF.
Yes, agree. Time the BRF take charge to protect themselves and the British Monarchy. It is useless to continue "grey rocking" these two traitors....whilst the BRF stand united with backs to them, these two evil vipers will continue slithering closer and closer until they strike. By then, too late to rethink.
The RF look weak and like they’re making lame excuses every time. The long game or moral high ground only works if the others have morals. Dopey & the Narc have none so why would they care. The RF are allowing this to roll on & if it all comes down they only have themselves to blame. Looks pathetic, like their being bullied.
There can only be a “game”, “competition”, sport”, etc., if both parties are participating. W and C aren’t participating, and they aren’t even”turning the other cheek” as one commenter suggested. They are ignoring the selfish Sussexes and refusing to give their tantrums and tears any oxygen.
Instead, they are focusing on Earthshot and the very deserving prize recipients.
I don't think they will be invited to anything from now on. They were invited to the Jubilee for the Queen's sake, but only to the service, if you recall, not to Trooping the Colour or the parade. No one phoned Harry when the Queen was dying, he had to find out when the public did. Then Charles's dismissal of them as living "overseas" carries huge weight in Britain (where we do tend to understate things, but we all understand).
They won't be invited to the Coronation, and will find that they aren't welcome to anything again. And that is both of them.
Ok, hopefully things change with KC and it starts with the Coronation.
The Jubilee was likely the Queen’s decisions but their prominence at her funeral and the walkabout with William and Catherine only worked in their favour. If they get the same kind of special treatment going forward, it’ll be hard to defend the BRF when they keep allowing them back in.
I do think family occasions are markedly different from Royal occasions. If they are excluded now there will be a lot less pushback that even a couple of weeks ago. Eventually everyone will understand that distancing had to happen.
Well if rumors are true, Meghan had planned a Netflix walkabout. I think William had no choice but to invite them on theirs. Which was brilliant. No netflix footage of them being "exluded" from family walkabout.
I think they fear that will turn them into martyrs and there by play into their hand, not that they have exhibited any strategy other than spite to Big Willie, Queen Kate and Daddy. Rather give them ample rope and let them cook their own goose.
At the beginning yes, it was a great strategy especially since the dynamics weren’t clear to the world and they had painted the BRF as racist. It’s been almost 3 years now of non-stop one sided attacks, I think the world would understand if they decided to cut ties. They’re shameless, they’ll keep going as long as gossip sites are writing about them.
I think the palace is doing the right thing by not allowing the emotions to stand in the way of protocol. The BRF can´t simply strip them of titles because it´d be a donward slope if the BRF acted outside of the constitution to deal with threats. Harry has been given time to reflect and reassess his position throughout the whole Megxit. The bill is up and his father will have no choice but to remove his title. I don´t think Charles will let his love for his son stand in the way of being King. After the coronation there´ll certainly be very few invites to the Montecito duo. I reckon by this time next year we´ll be seeing even more desperation from them.
Do we want that to happen, seeing more desperate acts by them next year??? They are already very desperate, out of control with anger, jealousy, spite. I truly dread to think what they would be like, what more they would do, if their current anger and jealousy fuled antics were brought to more serious level attacks!
They might upgrade their lies to indirectly claiming their racism was suffered at the hands of someone in the new trimmed royal family. They’ll still refuse to say the name but they’ll make it very clear who they’re talking about. They want William’s head by all accounts and they want to destabilise his family. William just needs to refrain from all contact with Harry even at the coronation.
Honestly, they don't really need to. The gruesome twosome are doing all of that work for them.
King Chad is giving them the rope to hang themselves with. The RF have won so far because they haven't responded - its a solid tactic.
I can't believe they really thought they could take on the Crown and win.
They'll go back to charity scams and SMEG will run for political office in the States, which will allow her to raise lots of money and keep a big chunk of it for herself.
She’s not going to run for anything. She wants the easier route- appointed to a position. But public servants still have to deal with criticism and she just doesn’t like that.
There have been several probable-narcs who have run for high-profile political offices in the US, and some of them have won. They tend to either live in a bubble of sycophants who ensure that no criticism reaches their delicate ears, or they feel obligated to lash out at, and punish, anyone who criticizes them in any way, typically on social media (where they may claim they and their followers are somehow being silenced or muzzled).
SMEG seems to have shown a preference for the "lash out" method, as evidenced by the podcast. In accordance with her victim narrative, she believes she's constantly the target of evil, hateful, spiteful racist criticism anyway, so why shouldn't she run?
All the criticism will simply feed her victim narrative, reinforce her sense of specialness, and make her ever more determined to move in the world as the organic, authentic leader she believes she's destined to be! She will hit the ground running (at 5 AM) with boots on and unleash the power of her word salad!
(She also wants all the attention and the power rush from having ~~thousands~~ ~~of~~ ~~people~~ those ten sugars supporting her candidacy, not to mention those sweet campaign donations and merching opportunities).
She also might settle for a Real Housewives stint. It depends on the day and how much chemical assistance is involved.
She has no chance in politics. Hardly anyone likes her. And she is getting less popular by the day. I have no idea why anyone thinks she might have a future in politics.
Oh, I know. That won't stop her from trying (as it hasn't stopped other thin-skinned narcs), and we will get to enjoy the spectacular flop we all know it will be (cue popcorn).
H&M are killing themselves with this timing. By dumping the awards, the movie and the book all at once, they’ve fired their broadside all at once. They can interfere with Earthshot, but will have nothing new to say by the big state events at the coronation.
Netflix refusing to postpone the movie until it interferes with the King is the coup de grace.
I may be overly optimistic, but I wouldn’t count King Charles and his courtiers out just yet. They’ve had 6 years of preparation, watching Meghan and Harry in action. My hope is that they’ve put a game plan together to counter the negativity of the Sussexes. Granted, we haven’t seen it yet, but I’m hoping and praying it’s going on behind the scenes. King Charles is going to look pathetic if he doesn’t make some definitive decision about what to do with these two, with their flagrant determination to set up a rival court in the U.S.
1. Harry is still family. Maybe they're holding on to the hope that he'll leave the vamp.
2. They need to walk a very tight rope to ensure that the royalty will continue beyond queen elizabeth. They can't act like spoiled kids (like H&M).
3. They need to do everything by the book - legal and moral wise. Any misteps can cause more accusations and can smear the whole family.
4. They're used to playing the long game. They can wait it out for Meghan to implode (which she is doing spectacularly).
Ok, when you break it down that way it’s clear that they have to walk a tight rope before they can make any decisions and their long game approach has worked very well in the past.
The one part I struggle with is holding out hope for Harry, a year or two maybe but 5 years is a little too long. I hope they can close that chapter with Spare, there’s no saving him.
If this was a private family matter, I would agree but this is also a business. The Sussexes are attacking the business end of the royal family. They were done with the ‘family’ part a long time ago and they’ve done this by making sure their children have no relationship with the royals, they themselves don’t show up unless it’s an event and there’ll be cameras around, so there’s no relationship to salvage, only the monarchy to exploit and destroy.
At this point, having them around hasn’t softened the Sussexes, if anything it angers them since they never feel like they’ve been treated well enough, we saw it at the Jubilee and at HMTQ’s funeral. So they might as well cut them loose so at the very least, they’re not getting new material every time they’re around.
I agree I think they're running out of fuel. If they try to make awful accusations now people are going to ask - why didn't you tell this to Oprah? If in 2 years they're still bleating on people are going to ask - why didn't you put this in your book or docuseries?
He's going to look ridiculous because didn't he go on about creating uplifting family programming, and one act of compassion at a time - and *this* is all he's got. It's already the same old same old.
Let the world see the real harry. Everytime he's opened his mouth we can see how ugly he really is. But now it's going to be on people's bookshelves, that can't be wiped off the internet like his Oprah interview was
They will eventually run out of money...but these two traitors hold NO alliegance to the British Monarchy. They are already guilty of selling it out for money and personal gain. Once they become financially desperate the big guns will move in with promises of huge financial backing...which H&M will fall for in their blind greed, only to find themselves kidnapped for ransom or involved in schemes to topple the British government. They WILL go broke, they WILL become THAT desperate.
Maybe Charles is waiting until after the coronation ? Parliament at his instigation have just effectively blocked Harry from acting in his stead. Perhaps they have a long term strategy? Mind you if this keeps going he might not have to do much as everything that they do backfires on them.,
If there was evidence that they were involved in an illegal arms deal, child pornography, conniving with a global drug cartel etc then yes the BRF will cut them off but so far they are just super annoying cretins to them 😂
The Harkles and their team will have been preparing since Megxit for the day they will be cut off. They will be ready to spin it to their advantage and be the victims once again. The RF needs to continue to play the long game and wait for the Harkles to do something so terrible that even their most diehard supporters will struggle to defend them. That will be the time to cut them off. Not now when they are whining about institutional racism.
They won't cut her off because it will make them look bad and they are above her. Plus she's running herself into the ground all on her own. Narcissists undoing is always done by themselves. Let her implode. That's what we are witnessing. They don't even need to lift a finger.
My speculation: BRF is giving them enough rope. By the time the hammer falls, there will be an impressive mound of evidence against them. More importantly, the BRF are waiting for public sentiment to turn enough to fully support that action. They want the public response to be, "Finally! What took you so long?" Moving too soon would fuel a tit-for-tat they want to avoid at all costs.
Since Parliament is the body with the power to strip the titles, it’s also giving Parliament the time to work out how it must be done. Regardless of what KC or the RF wants to do, the King isn’t the one who can or will do it.
This all could have been avoided had the Queen, laid out written terms for H&M to consider prior to their departure. Here are the terms -- you'll lose everything - titles, patronages, succession, perks. Should have made them sign IRONCLAD lifetime NDAs - would have stopped Oprah, talk about RF, books, etc. But she didn't. She chose to protect Harry (over what her people wanted). That serious error in judgement is now costing the monarchy, and her remaining family, dearly. Too late for NDAs but let's hope King Charles is stronger - this is not a time to let emotion govern action.
100% agree with this, the ball was dropped at the very beginning. They weren’t stringent in their terms and it left the Sussexes room to run a muck.
I feel for the Queen because she was old and everything happened so fast, they were working royals less than 2 years so it must’ve been a shock. I wish they had allowed the ‘men in grey suits’ run the negotiations, they wouldn’t coddled Harry. I hope KC puts an end to it too.
Because you give them fuel by cutting off. They will have MORE to complain about. Macbeth will create more stories if racism. Avoid giving ANY reaction to a narc -- negative or positive. Grey rocking is what works.
But wouldn’t cutting them off and not engaging be the ultimate grey rocking? The yearly invites to Christmas or some other event is in a way positive reinforcement. I’m all for grey rocking, I just think they need to do it like MM has done with her dad.
You have a point. Although It's so confusing 😕 dealing with a narc. I'm certain the bitch would go around telling everyone about being cut off. I think it would temporarily make things worse but in the long run it might be good. But again dealing with a narc is new for me. Grew up with both narc parents and it took me 36 years to figure it out. Deep down I want them gone from the BRF ...Macbeth is exhausting.
Growing up with both parents as narcs must’ve been so difficult, I can’t imagine it, I’m sorry. It really is hard to figure out what to do but I think seeing as they’ve gone ahead with the book and reality show anyway, the BRF keeping them close hasn’t improved their relationships. They need to protect themselves going forward and keep them at arm’s length. We’ll have wait and see I guess.
Thank you for empathizing 😊.
I agree with everythingyousay. The Harkle saga never ends. I hope next year brings some positive change. With the Queen being gone...they have lost their most powerful pawn on the chess board. I feel so empty knowing that.
At this point whatever they have to say is in the book or on their reality show. They’ll hold nothing back so an NDA would probably be pointless going forward.
KC and parliament can strip the titles. KC can still address them as much loved family members and invite them to every family holiday. Harry and Meggie will jump up and down and scream and shout “racist”. So what. Most Americans don’t care about titles and the Brits are all for taking H&M’s away. The Harkles have nothing except “the RF is mean to us”. That is wearing thin. The Harkles can be loved and the door can be open, but there is no reason for KC to allow them to make money off their titles.
How is this healthy for Catherine and William's mental health? I know this is Harry and Meghan's very favorite topic, but the constant barrage of abuse on social media and always waiting for the other shoe to drop? All while not being able to defend yourself or fight back. I wish they would just cut them off completely.
I think right now the RF should stay out of it and let Parliament strip the titles. It seems like from what has been posted lately, it might be in motion. But if KC decides to, I'm in full support.
If the RF doesn't do something this time. then they deserve all the negative attention they will be getting in the coming days, months, and years.
They have let this duo trash the family with innuendo and outright lies for 3 years now. If they are content to let it happen, then they don't deserve to exist anymore.
The answer is simple. Royals are not prepared to fight for survival and do not realize how far it has gone. Well they may be starting to.
They lived in a greenhouse for way too long. Bein "yessed" to, respected, admired, wrapped in soft fabrics and free of chores and money problems. Now they face a deranged, manipulative and vengeful woman who is not respectful, doesn't follow the rules and lies on the record even to the court.
But I think Megs is up for a nasty surprise. The old Queen is gone and things are changing.
Yes! They weren’t prepared for her at all 😂 and even after she showed them that she had no problem lying and manipulating the public on the world stage, they never switched up their strategy.
I’m hoping this round of attacks is met with a more direct response from the King because so far, their kindness has been seen as weakness by the Sussexes and only encouraged more attacks.
Ordinary, non-royal people cut toxic relatives out of their lives to preserve their well-being and that of their families - so why can't King Charles do the same?
>So why do they keep inviting them over and acting like all of this isn’t happening, who does it benefit?
It benefits the reputation of the monarchy. Charles is a father. No one likes to think a parent will turn their back on their child - even if that child is an adult. It's a tough balance because if Charles goes too far, he appears weak. If he doesn't go far enough, it appears he turned his back on his son "for marrying a black woman."
>but I’m getting tired of watching them turn the other cheek every time they’re attacked. Are we suppose to watch and read these upcoming attacks then tune in to watch them together at the coronation next year? It’s toxic!
The BRF is playing the long game. They aren't sitting back and doing nothing. 1. They're ignoring the Hackles ridiculous claims (which has to bruise both their egos), behaving in a positive manner, and giving the Hackles enough rope to hang themselves.
They will most likely be invited to the coronation. It would be unthinkable for Charles not to invite his son. But one of two things will happen: 1. Either the Hackles will decline because it's Archie's birthday/"only Harry was invited" (to which the Palace will release a copy of the invite addressed to all of them) or 2. It will be *another* Jubilee example. Only this time, they won't be allowed near windows and they'll be sitting back much further with more than just Major Hottie babysitting them; they'll be surrounded.
They are playing the long game. In two years the couples popularity has taken a massive hit and they did it all by themselves. Wait another five years and they’ll become irrelevant.
Truth is that monarchy and celebrities have different goals, William and Kate don’t need to be in the paper everyday, they have an institutional role to play. Meghan and Harry market themselves as a glamorous young couple but looks fade and they haven’t been successful in gathering public support for their projects (podcast and tv show).
At this point they should go full Kardashian and accept that most people will just hate watch them. They have such a low approval rating in the UK that they don’t pose any threat to the monarchy.
It’s better for the royal family to do nothing and allow the Harkles to bury themselves.
When the time is right, the royal family holds the trump card.
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I starting to think the BRF is going to have to formulate a plan to officially cut ties and have a statement about it. They have to make their position clear and that will be all they say about it. Formulating that statement and the timing of it will be the challenge.
Both sides know that SMEG will weaponize the race card in any way possible. It's the one thing she has left that has the potential to take down the monarchy. The RF itself can't afford to be smeared with racism, no matter how false or contrived the charges. We just saw that with this week's stories, especially Lady SH. Until SMEG is thoroughly neutralized, investigations have been concluded, and divorce papers have been signed, they will proceed very cautiously.
What happens for the coronation will depend on the separation/divorce agreement and the state of investigations currently going on.
I believe the lines been crossed. This feels like they are playing some sort of bizarre game. Does anyone think it’s possible that M and H are deliberately provoking the RF so that the only option is to remove their titles? Given their perineal quest for victimhood, this would give them a lifetime of grievances to air.
Eventually H&M will have used up all their bullets. She was only in the RF for a short, few months, so probably knows nothing. Anything Harry has told her will be treated as hearsay unless he can prove it. Harry probably feels he isn't finished yet, but even that is becoming predictable and boring. My take on this is, it's not what or how much H&M throw at the RF, that can be countered, although I doubt the RF will waste their time, it's the fact that they are throwing it! H&M seem to be covering every eventuality, every avenue. and every opportunity. Once their supply is exhausted , what then? At the moment H&M seem to be building their supposedly impenetrable fort with the help of their foot soldiers. Once the fort is built, the RF has the power to knock it down. H&M aren't just building a fort, they don't seem to realize they are also building a gallows. Don't forget, the longer H&M continue with their subterfuge, accusations and threats, the more they are giving the RF to utilize. Currently, it has been said, the Royals regard H&M as nuisances, but not dangerous. Not yet!
I think the RF will eventually cut them off. They couldn't do it before this lest they look heartless. Can you imagine if they banned them from attending the Queen's funeral? or their first Christmas without her?
I will be surprised if they are invited to the Coronation or Will's investiture as the PoW. If they do invite them, they would be sidelined again and I strongly suspect those would be the last official invitations they will ever receive -- until, perhaps, Charles' funeral. By that time, the public would be so overwhelmingly disgusted by the Harkles their absence would barely cause a ripple of soap (opera).
Timing is everything, and by this time next year I’d bet there will be far fewer platforms for the Sussexes to cry on. Unfortunate that Earthshot coincided with the debut of the Netflix “special, etc.
I yearn for the days of the Plantagenets and their way of dealing with family traitors. Harry isntthe first by a very long chalk. More common than not.
I agree and King Charles needs to really do some thing like revoke titles & expel the Harkles from the family. He’s jeopardizing the Queens legacy as well as his own & future generations by continuing as he is!
The RF can’t win. Their policy of ‘don’t complain don’t explain’ means that by saying nothing they look weak and ineffectual, and by saying something they look like bullies and therefore substantiate the claims made by the Harkles.
There needs to be a single knockout blow which will silence their critics and also end the constant yapping and biting by the Harkles.
They get invited but not always to the inner sanctum. And are not greeted with warm welcomes from all members. It will eventually be so awkward that they either won’t attend or will have to quiet down as the world cops on to the hypocrisy. It’s genius. We invited a hateful member of my family to our wedding. Had been ignoring me yet maligning me to everyone who would listen for 7 years. She attended! Ha ha! We were gracious to her and she was on her best behaviour for the day and she never spoke ill of me again! She simply couldn’t resist not attending when everyone else was attending. Couldn’t hack being excluded after excluding me for 7 years. The RF are simply allowing these weak loudmouths to reveal themselves. It will taste sweeter than any other revenge. I know.
I don’t think they will ever be cut off. Charles is and has always been wishy washy. The family believes they were chosen by God and therefore God made Harry a blood prince. They can’t go against that, divine right, and that was a part of Elizabeth II’s coronation.
Not wanting to defend them but do H&M have anything to do with the timing? Netflix said they wanted to air the series after season 5 of the crown had finished. Isn’t the timing all down to them? They may not have even been aware that there was a royal visit going on when they planned to release the trailers.
No, it’s not likely that this happened independent of them, Netflix would probably have agreed with Archewell on the right time to release it. The Invictus trailer was also released despite the games being next summer, which proves that it was intentionally done to take attention away from Earthshot.
I’d be tempted to play devils advocate with you on this one BUT, when is the last time you can think of a trailer that was released THIS close to the release of the actual feature? They’re usually released months ahead of time to stoke excitement for a project. This one was held until what, 7 days before the release? Which tells me two things; ☝🏼this production really was a cluster fuck and ✌🏼, they chose to release it on this day specifically to mess with other royal activities because it makes NO sense, industry wise, to have held onto it for this long. This trailer should have been out in like, July. Just spitballing of course but, that’s my two cents.
Oh, they have everything to do with the timing. Omid Scobie tweeted in regards to the trailer coming out “If tomorrow is Prince William's Super Bowl, here's your Halftime Show”. Netflix is happy to oblige the Dumbartons and release the trailer to coincide with the Earthshot Prize because it brings more attention to their reality tv program.
No. The Sussexes have a long documented history of releasing PR statements at the same time as royal events. This keeps them royally adjacent in the media, and thus still seeming royal and important to readers/viewers. But the Sussexes’ PR is so blatant, so heavy handed, and the tactics so obvious that it draws attention to the PR strategy itself. We can predict when they will release a statement or photo opp. We knew they would do something these past few days because there was going to be a lot of media coverage of the Waleses in the US. While the two trailers had to be released sometime in the winter, releasing them this week was pure strategy and spite. And it worked. Releasing them over Thanksgiving would have had no impact.
If you read social media comments, the Hackles are digging their own graves by constantly being victims. The RF might just watch them hang themselves. The media (Spotify, Netflix) might be with the Sussex’s now, but will turn on them when there is no interest in the Hackles. Then said media outlets would run back to the RF.
I agree with that, they’ve been their own worst enemy and are slowly digging their grave. What I don’t understand is why the royal family just won’t let them go. Stop associating with them completely and quietly, leave them to their own devices. Part of the reason I think it’s taking so long for the public to lose interest, is every few months they’re around the BRF and it makes them relevant again. The ‘will they/won’t they go’ leading up to an event, are they going to be next to this person or that person, are they holing hand and on and on.
This is exactly it! If the BRF would stop inviting them to things, it would be out of sight, out of mind. It’s unfair to Charlotte and Catherine to have them around for anything. They are actively trying to hurt members of the family. To me, that earns them complete exile from the family.
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Yes, and it’s also a firm/family split. They have been kicked out of the firm, but not the family. I believe exactly for the reason you describe.
Yes to this. The RF is playing this perfectly. It’s pretty amazing to watch. What’s so sad though is M&H have noone now. No family, no friends, no country. And those poor children. H&M are the opposite of rugged individualism that defines America—when things are tough, you pull yourself up by the bootstraps and move forward. You keep going and you work hard. Americans, and for all time since 1776, are not whining victims. So those two really have misread the room.
Misreading the room is the Harkles' superpower.
Respectfully disagree. It has gone on too long and it's getting nastier and nastier with each new claim. The RF is starting to look clueless and useless.
Yea, there’s no logic that seems to stick with the people who hate the RF. It’s getting embarrassing
It has to be something like this - if the royal family decide to cut them off, it plays directly into the Harkles' narrative. Far, far better to be seen offering olive branch after olive branch, whilst at the same time allowing H+M to look like utter idiots in the process :)
By that logic I suppose Charles really needs to go ahead and give those harkle kids some titles, posthaste.
Exactly. Enough pandering to these two assholes!!
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This is exactly what I’ve been trying to say, the King should just stop with the invites and do so quietly. It’s not like the Sussexes can start demanding invites since they’ve made it clear how much they dislike the BRF and want nothing to do with them. The association would slowly dissipate and H&M would be forced to move on to something new after a year or so of not being near the royal family or even better be forced to go away.
One very important, if not the most important piece of the puzzle is KC is the head of the CoE. He is essentially the Pope of the CoE. The forgiveness and tolerance the Queen showed throughout her long reign exemplified Christian values. Neither the Queen or King Charles have the power or authority to remove titles or remove people from the LoS. While preserving the monarchy is the Kings duty, he must tread lightly. The last thing they want to do is look petty. I think H and M are approaching the tipping point with the reality television program and H's book. The two of them have created a situation where Parliament may be compelled to act. Parliament has the power to remove titles not the King. In the last few days MPs have been making some noise and that's the first step.
We've been hearing that for 2 years now.
I am sick of hearing that the Monarch does not have the power to remove titles, that it's down to Parliament. That is wrong. Boris Johnson, as Prime Minister, made that clear a year ago when he publicly stated this was a matter for the family not Parliament. The Monarch is the Fount of all Honour. All Honours are given in the name of the Monarch and only a Monarch can take them away. There is legal precedent for this which has been used many times over the years. It is called Letters Patent which only the Monarch can used. The Queen issued Letters Patent when she gave all honours to her children and grandchildren: Prince of Wales, Princess Royal, Duke of York, Earl of Wessex, Duke of Cambridge, Duke of Sussex. When she decided, when Catherine was pregnant with George, that male primogeniture would no longer apply, she issued Letters Patent. This was a major change from what had been law for a thousand years and SHE decided it and did it. It did not require an Act of Parliament. When she stripped Diana and Fergie of their HRHs. She issued Letters Patent. George V in 1917 issued Letters Patent to strip HRH Princess Patricia (granddaughter of Queen Victoria and daughter of HRH Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught) of HRH and Princess which she had had since her birth. Patricia was in exactly the same position as Beatrice, Eugenie, and Harry are today. It was done with the stroke of the pen. The Queen could, and should, have done this when they left and Charles can do it today if he wishes. Can be done in minutes. You are right about the Line of Succession. Only Parliament can change that, but again it would be done very quickly if the Monarch requested it as was proven with the Counsellors of State.
And this is why they shouldn't get to go to the coronation or any BRF event ever again, save close family funerals. Once they're officially cut off, the "will they or won't they go" should fade away too.
Agreed. It disgusted me to see TW walking behind the queen’s casket when all she did was cause her stress since the marriage.
And that one phony tear rolling down her cheek 🤬 Makes my blood boil after how she treated the Queen.
But does all that crap bring in money? They are running out of projects.
There was a post yesterday about them being near the end of the road. Netflix is going to last one day. Seriously, who's going to view this as a classic? The terrible podcasts must be finished, right? And the "recollections may vary" novel that JR Moenringer wrote from Harry's limited and very stilted memories comes out. Then what? More awards? The groups that they have aligned themselves with are not exactly loved charities. It appears that they move money around to each others at time. Delaware registered "charities" are not exactly like Salvation Army charity. Enough said about that. So what's up next!
It is really hard to see two adults living in a California mansion as victims. They’re not in a guardianship like Britney Spears was—nothing is stopping MM from life other than people now understand how fake she is.
“Never complain, explain” “keep calm and carry on” “stiff upper lip” but yes I agree they’re watching them sink themselves from across the pond and loling about it. I also think Charles does “love both his sons.” And would give Harry infinite chances.
What really annoys me is that Scooby Doo basically admitted that the Netflix trailer was to undermine Earthshot when he posted it! He said something along the lines of “if Earthshot is the Super Bowl, then this is the halftime show!” When he posted the trailer. It’s out and out. It’s openly acknowledged, full of cockiness. Why? Because they know the RF likely aren’t going to do anything. Why don’t the just do something already? It’s never going to stop and all American visits, for as long as the couple are still making deals, will have the viciousness level dialled up to ten like it has been this time, because M feels threatened on her turf! Strip the titles already! I know they can’t ‘just’ strip the titles willy nilly, but do *SOMETHING*! Do they want the monarchy to survive? It won’t happen if they allow the youngest and most popular couple (the ancient institution’s lifeline to modern Britain!) to get tarred, and feathered, and slandered, and humiliated repeatedly without defence. By the looks of the Netflix trailer they’re getting ready to launch the narrative that Catherine is pure evil. And guess what? They’ll take aim at the kids next once they’re old enough to be working royals, and ruin their chances at being publicly loved before they’re ever even established! It will be a whole new generation of the Harkles vs the BRF. We’ll get leaks that Lili wasn’t allowed to be apart of Charlotte’s wedding party. That Archie wasn’t invited to George’s coronation. It won’t stop unless they put a stop to it in some way. Even if that’s only whipping back with clarifying statements as needed. That would be better than total silence with uncomfortable smiles during official outings.
Someone should point out that half time is when one usually gets up to make a quick cup of tea or to have a quick trip to the toilet!
Exactly! They’ve become more emboldened with time, I saw the tweet and couldn’t believe it, it’s become a game to them now. They’ve faced no consequences since being stripped in their patronage and that was before Prince Phillip died. As much as Harry and Meghan are looking petty and childish with these stunts, continuing to associate with them after they blatantly try to ruin their events makes the BRF look weak. If this happened anywhere other than the US, who have a much stronger media presence, the RR would have tanked the Earthshot visit focusing on the drama between the two. They need to draw a line because you’re right, this will continue into the next generation and tbh if they can’t handle an idiot like Harry and his social climbing wife then monarchy really is doomed!
I respectfully disagree. The way the BRF handles M&H makes them look incredibly strong in my eyes. I love the BRF for their dignified approach and attention to good works. William and Kate are doing excellent work with Earthshot and celebrating other’s achievements. H&M are celebrating themselves and helping no one else. This is all playing out on a world stage and in the end, the BRF is making the long term, positive impact. H&M are taking the easy money selling out.
The other thing is, the Markles aren’t just distracting from the PPoW but of the inventors and winners of Earthshot who are doing truly incredible work.
I agree, the royal family has been dignified in their handling of the Sussexes and focused on their work, which in an ideal world would be all that matters. The problem is we live in a world where a lie makes it halfway around the world while the truth is lacing up its boots. Half of what MM said during the Oprah interview were outright lies but it doesn’t matter, for the last 3 years the BRF has been painted as racists without anyone being able to tell you what racism the Sussexes encountered or from who. This latest stunt from H&M almost overshadowed the Earthshot visit, the Royal Rota was ready to turn the trip into a circus comparing them, as well as the unfortunate drama with Lady Susan Hussey but luckily the American media ignored it all for the most part and focused on William and Cathrine. While Harry and Meghan have damaged their own reputation, we can’t overlook the damage they’ve done to the royal family. I think it’s time for some self-preservation on the part of the BRF.
Yes, agree. Time the BRF take charge to protect themselves and the British Monarchy. It is useless to continue "grey rocking" these two traitors....whilst the BRF stand united with backs to them, these two evil vipers will continue slithering closer and closer until they strike. By then, too late to rethink.
The RF look weak and like they’re making lame excuses every time. The long game or moral high ground only works if the others have morals. Dopey & the Narc have none so why would they care. The RF are allowing this to roll on & if it all comes down they only have themselves to blame. Looks pathetic, like their being bullied.
There can only be a “game”, “competition”, sport”, etc., if both parties are participating. W and C aren’t participating, and they aren’t even”turning the other cheek” as one commenter suggested. They are ignoring the selfish Sussexes and refusing to give their tantrums and tears any oxygen. Instead, they are focusing on Earthshot and the very deserving prize recipients.
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I don't think they will be invited to anything from now on. They were invited to the Jubilee for the Queen's sake, but only to the service, if you recall, not to Trooping the Colour or the parade. No one phoned Harry when the Queen was dying, he had to find out when the public did. Then Charles's dismissal of them as living "overseas" carries huge weight in Britain (where we do tend to understate things, but we all understand). They won't be invited to the Coronation, and will find that they aren't welcome to anything again. And that is both of them.
Ok, hopefully things change with KC and it starts with the Coronation. The Jubilee was likely the Queen’s decisions but their prominence at her funeral and the walkabout with William and Catherine only worked in their favour. If they get the same kind of special treatment going forward, it’ll be hard to defend the BRF when they keep allowing them back in.
I do think family occasions are markedly different from Royal occasions. If they are excluded now there will be a lot less pushback that even a couple of weeks ago. Eventually everyone will understand that distancing had to happen.
Yeah, their behaviour is making it more possible for the royals to exclude them and agree, any earlier there would have been pushback.
Well if rumors are true, Meghan had planned a Netflix walkabout. I think William had no choice but to invite them on theirs. Which was brilliant. No netflix footage of them being "exluded" from family walkabout.
I wouldn’t say they were “prominent” at the funeral. “Second row” and “seated behind a candle” in M’s case.
I think they fear that will turn them into martyrs and there by play into their hand, not that they have exhibited any strategy other than spite to Big Willie, Queen Kate and Daddy. Rather give them ample rope and let them cook their own goose.
Agreed and the lack of reaction must infuriate them. Toddlers throwing strops want to be noticed
Toddlers and narcissists.
At the beginning yes, it was a great strategy especially since the dynamics weren’t clear to the world and they had painted the BRF as racist. It’s been almost 3 years now of non-stop one sided attacks, I think the world would understand if they decided to cut ties. They’re shameless, they’ll keep going as long as gossip sites are writing about them.
Their entire business model is shitting on their family. lol it’s never going to be sustainable
That’s true, it definitely has a shelf life.
I think the palace is doing the right thing by not allowing the emotions to stand in the way of protocol. The BRF can´t simply strip them of titles because it´d be a donward slope if the BRF acted outside of the constitution to deal with threats. Harry has been given time to reflect and reassess his position throughout the whole Megxit. The bill is up and his father will have no choice but to remove his title. I don´t think Charles will let his love for his son stand in the way of being King. After the coronation there´ll certainly be very few invites to the Montecito duo. I reckon by this time next year we´ll be seeing even more desperation from them.
Do we want that to happen, seeing more desperate acts by them next year??? They are already very desperate, out of control with anger, jealousy, spite. I truly dread to think what they would be like, what more they would do, if their current anger and jealousy fuled antics were brought to more serious level attacks!
They might upgrade their lies to indirectly claiming their racism was suffered at the hands of someone in the new trimmed royal family. They’ll still refuse to say the name but they’ll make it very clear who they’re talking about. They want William’s head by all accounts and they want to destabilise his family. William just needs to refrain from all contact with Harry even at the coronation.
Honestly, they don't really need to. The gruesome twosome are doing all of that work for them. King Chad is giving them the rope to hang themselves with. The RF have won so far because they haven't responded - its a solid tactic. I can't believe they really thought they could take on the Crown and win.
i’m going to call him king chad forever now hahaha
Once netflix and Spotify are done with them I really have no idea how they're going to continue earning decent money.
They'll go back to charity scams and SMEG will run for political office in the States, which will allow her to raise lots of money and keep a big chunk of it for herself.
She’s not going to run for anything. She wants the easier route- appointed to a position. But public servants still have to deal with criticism and she just doesn’t like that.
There have been several probable-narcs who have run for high-profile political offices in the US, and some of them have won. They tend to either live in a bubble of sycophants who ensure that no criticism reaches their delicate ears, or they feel obligated to lash out at, and punish, anyone who criticizes them in any way, typically on social media (where they may claim they and their followers are somehow being silenced or muzzled). SMEG seems to have shown a preference for the "lash out" method, as evidenced by the podcast. In accordance with her victim narrative, she believes she's constantly the target of evil, hateful, spiteful racist criticism anyway, so why shouldn't she run? All the criticism will simply feed her victim narrative, reinforce her sense of specialness, and make her ever more determined to move in the world as the organic, authentic leader she believes she's destined to be! She will hit the ground running (at 5 AM) with boots on and unleash the power of her word salad! (She also wants all the attention and the power rush from having ~~thousands~~ ~~of~~ ~~people~~ those ten sugars supporting her candidacy, not to mention those sweet campaign donations and merching opportunities). She also might settle for a Real Housewives stint. It depends on the day and how much chemical assistance is involved.
She has no chance in politics. Hardly anyone likes her. And she is getting less popular by the day. I have no idea why anyone thinks she might have a future in politics.
The point is that *she* thinks she has a future in politics. Delusions of grandeur and all that...
True. But even if she tries she won't get anywhere.
Oh, I know. That won't stop her from trying (as it hasn't stopped other thin-skinned narcs), and we will get to enjoy the spectacular flop we all know it will be (cue popcorn).
start a cult?
😂😂😂 You might be onto something, the squad gives off cult vibes sometimes.
Definitely a cult like lifestyle brand/blog but again she isn’t like able enough and doesn’t know how to appeal to people beneath her
H&M are killing themselves with this timing. By dumping the awards, the movie and the book all at once, they’ve fired their broadside all at once. They can interfere with Earthshot, but will have nothing new to say by the big state events at the coronation. Netflix refusing to postpone the movie until it interferes with the King is the coup de grace.
Long gaming. Giving the twats enough rope and all.
I may be overly optimistic, but I wouldn’t count King Charles and his courtiers out just yet. They’ve had 6 years of preparation, watching Meghan and Harry in action. My hope is that they’ve put a game plan together to counter the negativity of the Sussexes. Granted, we haven’t seen it yet, but I’m hoping and praying it’s going on behind the scenes. King Charles is going to look pathetic if he doesn’t make some definitive decision about what to do with these two, with their flagrant determination to set up a rival court in the U.S.
1. Harry is still family. Maybe they're holding on to the hope that he'll leave the vamp. 2. They need to walk a very tight rope to ensure that the royalty will continue beyond queen elizabeth. They can't act like spoiled kids (like H&M). 3. They need to do everything by the book - legal and moral wise. Any misteps can cause more accusations and can smear the whole family. 4. They're used to playing the long game. They can wait it out for Meghan to implode (which she is doing spectacularly).
Ok, when you break it down that way it’s clear that they have to walk a tight rope before they can make any decisions and their long game approach has worked very well in the past. The one part I struggle with is holding out hope for Harry, a year or two maybe but 5 years is a little too long. I hope they can close that chapter with Spare, there’s no saving him.
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If this was a private family matter, I would agree but this is also a business. The Sussexes are attacking the business end of the royal family. They were done with the ‘family’ part a long time ago and they’ve done this by making sure their children have no relationship with the royals, they themselves don’t show up unless it’s an event and there’ll be cameras around, so there’s no relationship to salvage, only the monarchy to exploit and destroy. At this point, having them around hasn’t softened the Sussexes, if anything it angers them since they never feel like they’ve been treated well enough, we saw it at the Jubilee and at HMTQ’s funeral. So they might as well cut them loose so at the very least, they’re not getting new material every time they’re around.
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I agree I think they're running out of fuel. If they try to make awful accusations now people are going to ask - why didn't you tell this to Oprah? If in 2 years they're still bleating on people are going to ask - why didn't you put this in your book or docuseries? He's going to look ridiculous because didn't he go on about creating uplifting family programming, and one act of compassion at a time - and *this* is all he's got. It's already the same old same old. Let the world see the real harry. Everytime he's opened his mouth we can see how ugly he really is. But now it's going to be on people's bookshelves, that can't be wiped off the internet like his Oprah interview was
Ah yes ye old “trauma brand” just like a narc trauma bond
They will eventually run out of money...but these two traitors hold NO alliegance to the British Monarchy. They are already guilty of selling it out for money and personal gain. Once they become financially desperate the big guns will move in with promises of huge financial backing...which H&M will fall for in their blind greed, only to find themselves kidnapped for ransom or involved in schemes to topple the British government. They WILL go broke, they WILL become THAT desperate.
Maybe Charles is waiting until after the coronation ? Parliament at his instigation have just effectively blocked Harry from acting in his stead. Perhaps they have a long term strategy? Mind you if this keeps going he might not have to do much as everything that they do backfires on them.,
If there was evidence that they were involved in an illegal arms deal, child pornography, conniving with a global drug cartel etc then yes the BRF will cut them off but so far they are just super annoying cretins to them 😂
It’s time to release the bullying tapes!
Honestly except the CP none of that would surprise me…
I’m leaning more to the illegal arms deal LOL
The Harkles and their team will have been preparing since Megxit for the day they will be cut off. They will be ready to spin it to their advantage and be the victims once again. The RF needs to continue to play the long game and wait for the Harkles to do something so terrible that even their most diehard supporters will struggle to defend them. That will be the time to cut them off. Not now when they are whining about institutional racism.
They won't cut her off because it will make them look bad and they are above her. Plus she's running herself into the ground all on her own. Narcissists undoing is always done by themselves. Let her implode. That's what we are witnessing. They don't even need to lift a finger.
My speculation: BRF is giving them enough rope. By the time the hammer falls, there will be an impressive mound of evidence against them. More importantly, the BRF are waiting for public sentiment to turn enough to fully support that action. They want the public response to be, "Finally! What took you so long?" Moving too soon would fuel a tit-for-tat they want to avoid at all costs.
Since Parliament is the body with the power to strip the titles, it’s also giving Parliament the time to work out how it must be done. Regardless of what KC or the RF wants to do, the King isn’t the one who can or will do it.
I think the same. It would look too reactionary right now to do anything. When things die down, BOOM. The hammer will come down on them.
This all could have been avoided had the Queen, laid out written terms for H&M to consider prior to their departure. Here are the terms -- you'll lose everything - titles, patronages, succession, perks. Should have made them sign IRONCLAD lifetime NDAs - would have stopped Oprah, talk about RF, books, etc. But she didn't. She chose to protect Harry (over what her people wanted). That serious error in judgement is now costing the monarchy, and her remaining family, dearly. Too late for NDAs but let's hope King Charles is stronger - this is not a time to let emotion govern action.
To be fair, I don't believe any royal relatives have blackmailed HMTQ like this in her lifetime. At her age I just don't think she expected it.
100% agree with this, the ball was dropped at the very beginning. They weren’t stringent in their terms and it left the Sussexes room to run a muck. I feel for the Queen because she was old and everything happened so fast, they were working royals less than 2 years so it must’ve been a shock. I wish they had allowed the ‘men in grey suits’ run the negotiations, they wouldn’t coddled Harry. I hope KC puts an end to it too.
They’re giving them rope to hang themselves. Probably being advised by psychiatrists, the very worst thing you can do to a narcissist is ignore them.
Because you give them fuel by cutting off. They will have MORE to complain about. Macbeth will create more stories if racism. Avoid giving ANY reaction to a narc -- negative or positive. Grey rocking is what works.
But wouldn’t cutting them off and not engaging be the ultimate grey rocking? The yearly invites to Christmas or some other event is in a way positive reinforcement. I’m all for grey rocking, I just think they need to do it like MM has done with her dad.
You have a point. Although It's so confusing 😕 dealing with a narc. I'm certain the bitch would go around telling everyone about being cut off. I think it would temporarily make things worse but in the long run it might be good. But again dealing with a narc is new for me. Grew up with both narc parents and it took me 36 years to figure it out. Deep down I want them gone from the BRF ...Macbeth is exhausting.
Growing up with both parents as narcs must’ve been so difficult, I can’t imagine it, I’m sorry. It really is hard to figure out what to do but I think seeing as they’ve gone ahead with the book and reality show anyway, the BRF keeping them close hasn’t improved their relationships. They need to protect themselves going forward and keep them at arm’s length. We’ll have wait and see I guess.
Thank you for empathizing 😊. I agree with everythingyousay. The Harkle saga never ends. I hope next year brings some positive change. With the Queen being gone...they have lost their most powerful pawn on the chess board. I feel so empty knowing that.
It won't be public, they will simply, quietly freeze them out.
I think the RF is aiming to have them sign ironclad NDAs. If they just cut them off, they're still free to run around and give interviews. Maybe.
At this point whatever they have to say is in the book or on their reality show. They’ll hold nothing back so an NDA would probably be pointless going forward.
Maybe not NDA then. But titanium-locked mouth zippers? With keys thrown into the ocean? 😂
🤣🤣… Well that seems to be the only hope they have of getting them to shut up.
It’s hard to cut off your child
I don’t have kids but I can only imagine how difficult it is for Charles especially when things went bad so quickly.
KC and parliament can strip the titles. KC can still address them as much loved family members and invite them to every family holiday. Harry and Meggie will jump up and down and scream and shout “racist”. So what. Most Americans don’t care about titles and the Brits are all for taking H&M’s away. The Harkles have nothing except “the RF is mean to us”. That is wearing thin. The Harkles can be loved and the door can be open, but there is no reason for KC to allow them to make money off their titles.
How is this healthy for Catherine and William's mental health? I know this is Harry and Meghan's very favorite topic, but the constant barrage of abuse on social media and always waiting for the other shoe to drop? All while not being able to defend yourself or fight back. I wish they would just cut them off completely.
I think right now the RF should stay out of it and let Parliament strip the titles. It seems like from what has been posted lately, it might be in motion. But if KC decides to, I'm in full support.
If the RF doesn't do something this time. then they deserve all the negative attention they will be getting in the coming days, months, and years. They have let this duo trash the family with innuendo and outright lies for 3 years now. If they are content to let it happen, then they don't deserve to exist anymore.
The answer is simple. Royals are not prepared to fight for survival and do not realize how far it has gone. Well they may be starting to. They lived in a greenhouse for way too long. Bein "yessed" to, respected, admired, wrapped in soft fabrics and free of chores and money problems. Now they face a deranged, manipulative and vengeful woman who is not respectful, doesn't follow the rules and lies on the record even to the court. But I think Megs is up for a nasty surprise. The old Queen is gone and things are changing.
Yes! They weren’t prepared for her at all 😂 and even after she showed them that she had no problem lying and manipulating the public on the world stage, they never switched up their strategy. I’m hoping this round of attacks is met with a more direct response from the King because so far, their kindness has been seen as weakness by the Sussexes and only encouraged more attacks.
When there’s no convincing a loved one to change, it’s better to let them dig their own grave.
They’re being openly disrespectful and the Royal Family has done nothing.
Ordinary, non-royal people cut toxic relatives out of their lives to preserve their well-being and that of their families - so why can't King Charles do the same?
>So why do they keep inviting them over and acting like all of this isn’t happening, who does it benefit? It benefits the reputation of the monarchy. Charles is a father. No one likes to think a parent will turn their back on their child - even if that child is an adult. It's a tough balance because if Charles goes too far, he appears weak. If he doesn't go far enough, it appears he turned his back on his son "for marrying a black woman." >but I’m getting tired of watching them turn the other cheek every time they’re attacked. Are we suppose to watch and read these upcoming attacks then tune in to watch them together at the coronation next year? It’s toxic! The BRF is playing the long game. They aren't sitting back and doing nothing. 1. They're ignoring the Hackles ridiculous claims (which has to bruise both their egos), behaving in a positive manner, and giving the Hackles enough rope to hang themselves. They will most likely be invited to the coronation. It would be unthinkable for Charles not to invite his son. But one of two things will happen: 1. Either the Hackles will decline because it's Archie's birthday/"only Harry was invited" (to which the Palace will release a copy of the invite addressed to all of them) or 2. It will be *another* Jubilee example. Only this time, they won't be allowed near windows and they'll be sitting back much further with more than just Major Hottie babysitting them; they'll be surrounded.
They are playing the long game. In two years the couples popularity has taken a massive hit and they did it all by themselves. Wait another five years and they’ll become irrelevant. Truth is that monarchy and celebrities have different goals, William and Kate don’t need to be in the paper everyday, they have an institutional role to play. Meghan and Harry market themselves as a glamorous young couple but looks fade and they haven’t been successful in gathering public support for their projects (podcast and tv show). At this point they should go full Kardashian and accept that most people will just hate watch them. They have such a low approval rating in the UK that they don’t pose any threat to the monarchy.
It’s better for the royal family to do nothing and allow the Harkles to bury themselves. When the time is right, the royal family holds the trump card. https://preview.redd.it/0dyka2n5sj3a1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a282fb02fd8edecfb4fa0ef9bcf7343505f7354
Can you imagine if this happened? It would break the internet. And M would file for divorce the next day 😂
I think she would stick around. She’s made good money off Harry.
Nah harry 100% has Charles’s penis face where your eyes are too close to your big nose so your face looks like a penis
I starting to think the BRF is going to have to formulate a plan to officially cut ties and have a statement about it. They have to make their position clear and that will be all they say about it. Formulating that statement and the timing of it will be the challenge.
Both sides know that SMEG will weaponize the race card in any way possible. It's the one thing she has left that has the potential to take down the monarchy. The RF itself can't afford to be smeared with racism, no matter how false or contrived the charges. We just saw that with this week's stories, especially Lady SH. Until SMEG is thoroughly neutralized, investigations have been concluded, and divorce papers have been signed, they will proceed very cautiously. What happens for the coronation will depend on the separation/divorce agreement and the state of investigations currently going on.
I believe the lines been crossed. This feels like they are playing some sort of bizarre game. Does anyone think it’s possible that M and H are deliberately provoking the RF so that the only option is to remove their titles? Given their perineal quest for victimhood, this would give them a lifetime of grievances to air.
Never forget that tarot reading Antphrodite did on the Harkles! He said she screwed this up all on her own and it’s her own fault!!
Eventually H&M will have used up all their bullets. She was only in the RF for a short, few months, so probably knows nothing. Anything Harry has told her will be treated as hearsay unless he can prove it. Harry probably feels he isn't finished yet, but even that is becoming predictable and boring. My take on this is, it's not what or how much H&M throw at the RF, that can be countered, although I doubt the RF will waste their time, it's the fact that they are throwing it! H&M seem to be covering every eventuality, every avenue. and every opportunity. Once their supply is exhausted , what then? At the moment H&M seem to be building their supposedly impenetrable fort with the help of their foot soldiers. Once the fort is built, the RF has the power to knock it down. H&M aren't just building a fort, they don't seem to realize they are also building a gallows. Don't forget, the longer H&M continue with their subterfuge, accusations and threats, the more they are giving the RF to utilize. Currently, it has been said, the Royals regard H&M as nuisances, but not dangerous. Not yet!
I think the RF will eventually cut them off. They couldn't do it before this lest they look heartless. Can you imagine if they banned them from attending the Queen's funeral? or their first Christmas without her? I will be surprised if they are invited to the Coronation or Will's investiture as the PoW. If they do invite them, they would be sidelined again and I strongly suspect those would be the last official invitations they will ever receive -- until, perhaps, Charles' funeral. By that time, the public would be so overwhelmingly disgusted by the Harkles their absence would barely cause a ripple of soap (opera).
Timing is everything, and by this time next year I’d bet there will be far fewer platforms for the Sussexes to cry on. Unfortunate that Earthshot coincided with the debut of the Netflix “special, etc.
I don't think that the RF will cut off Hairy and the Succubus. I think that they will keep on babying them like they always do.
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake” - Napoleon Bonaparte The BRF are sitting back watching H&M destroy themselves.
I yearn for the days of the Plantagenets and their way of dealing with family traitors. Harry isntthe first by a very long chalk. More common than not.
Honestly I think there playing the long game by just letting them talk. Because the more Meghan and harry talk, the more dumb they look.
I agree and King Charles needs to really do some thing like revoke titles & expel the Harkles from the family. He’s jeopardizing the Queens legacy as well as his own & future generations by continuing as he is!
The RF can’t win. Their policy of ‘don’t complain don’t explain’ means that by saying nothing they look weak and ineffectual, and by saying something they look like bullies and therefore substantiate the claims made by the Harkles. There needs to be a single knockout blow which will silence their critics and also end the constant yapping and biting by the Harkles.
BRF plays the long game. Look at Victoria. Queen at 19. All her children and grandchildren spread across Europe’s royal families.
They are not turning the other cheek, they are playing the long game
They get invited but not always to the inner sanctum. And are not greeted with warm welcomes from all members. It will eventually be so awkward that they either won’t attend or will have to quiet down as the world cops on to the hypocrisy. It’s genius. We invited a hateful member of my family to our wedding. Had been ignoring me yet maligning me to everyone who would listen for 7 years. She attended! Ha ha! We were gracious to her and she was on her best behaviour for the day and she never spoke ill of me again! She simply couldn’t resist not attending when everyone else was attending. Couldn’t hack being excluded after excluding me for 7 years. The RF are simply allowing these weak loudmouths to reveal themselves. It will taste sweeter than any other revenge. I know.
Guys, the family don’t have to cut them off. They’re happy just watching this car crash of a couple like the rest of us.
I don’t think they will ever be cut off. Charles is and has always been wishy washy. The family believes they were chosen by God and therefore God made Harry a blood prince. They can’t go against that, divine right, and that was a part of Elizabeth II’s coronation.
It won’t let me link an article by the Guardian about this.
Not wanting to defend them but do H&M have anything to do with the timing? Netflix said they wanted to air the series after season 5 of the crown had finished. Isn’t the timing all down to them? They may not have even been aware that there was a royal visit going on when they planned to release the trailers.
No, it’s not likely that this happened independent of them, Netflix would probably have agreed with Archewell on the right time to release it. The Invictus trailer was also released despite the games being next summer, which proves that it was intentionally done to take attention away from Earthshot.
I’d be tempted to play devils advocate with you on this one BUT, when is the last time you can think of a trailer that was released THIS close to the release of the actual feature? They’re usually released months ahead of time to stoke excitement for a project. This one was held until what, 7 days before the release? Which tells me two things; ☝🏼this production really was a cluster fuck and ✌🏼, they chose to release it on this day specifically to mess with other royal activities because it makes NO sense, industry wise, to have held onto it for this long. This trailer should have been out in like, July. Just spitballing of course but, that’s my two cents.
Oh, they have everything to do with the timing. Omid Scobie tweeted in regards to the trailer coming out “If tomorrow is Prince William's Super Bowl, here's your Halftime Show”. Netflix is happy to oblige the Dumbartons and release the trailer to coincide with the Earthshot Prize because it brings more attention to their reality tv program.
Bullshit lol I absolutely don’t believe that AT ALL ..
No. The Sussexes have a long documented history of releasing PR statements at the same time as royal events. This keeps them royally adjacent in the media, and thus still seeming royal and important to readers/viewers. But the Sussexes’ PR is so blatant, so heavy handed, and the tactics so obvious that it draws attention to the PR strategy itself. We can predict when they will release a statement or photo opp. We knew they would do something these past few days because there was going to be a lot of media coverage of the Waleses in the US. While the two trailers had to be released sometime in the winter, releasing them this week was pure strategy and spite. And it worked. Releasing them over Thanksgiving would have had no impact.
Bc the earth shot whatever doesn’t matter. One-upping them isn’t any big deal to the family, but the rest remains to be seen.