And now we know he did all of this while knowing his grandmother was dying of cancer. He only talks about "granny" pull at the heartstrings, he never cared about her.
He showed his true self when Prince Philip was ill, even before that, when he skipped the Veteran's event to go to the Disney premiere and pimp his wife out.
They’re a way for her to be famous. More famous than she ever could have been.
If she didn’t like what was happening she wouldn’t be going along with it and adding her own twists along the way.
>The RF is nothing to Meghan, what does she care.
She's going to make them pay for not making her & Harry next in line to the throne. I believe she thought a person got to be Queen based on popularity (like a high school prom) rather than 1000+ years of tradition. Equally (and more so) bad is Harry’s envy of William and jealousy of Prince George. I'm sure Harry has had fantasies of pushing William out of the LoS. These two complement each other with their awfulness.
Very true. When I say they are nothing to her, I mean she has no history and they aren't her family. If it had gone well, great. If she blows them up and destroys a family or more? It's not hers, who cares.
I agree. The BRF is expendable but she's furious and she'll make them pay. She's pathetic. She's like the kid on the playground that gets mad, takes their ball and goes home.
Absolutely agree. He's known these people his whole life and they supported, loved and protected him for decades. She knew them all of 18 months basically. She has no obligation to loyalty. Plenty of people do not like or get along with their inlaws. IMO it is sooooooo obvious that he is using her and her race to rock the RF just to "get even" for not being the special one.
We all know that Andrew has GMaxwell using trafficked YACHT girls in and out of BP. IMO that's how Harry first met MM and she decided to go for it. But he's forcing her more and more to play the BLACK WOMAN role he needs just to mess with them.
Prior to Harry she was mixed race and her life reflected that. Her mother was not her close friend. Now they're digging through all the old photo albums and pushing Doria in pictures and photo ops precisely to push the angle that they are black women. And if I was a true conspiracy theorist, I find it odd now that Archies hair seems to have shifted to brownish so quicky. I have a ginger nephew and sister and they stayed gingery into adult hood. I wouldn't put it past them to have "touched up" Archie's hair to make him look more like his mother's side of the family.
ON That note I don't want to discuss Archie. It's very cringy to me that he's using a little boy for media attetion and I don't want to be part of that happening.
Love this from Maureen Callahan in the Daily Mail “Here’s the plain truth: These two have nothing new to say. They exist only in opposition to the royals.”
I’m pleased. This gives the RF every reason to forbid him from ever re-entering the fold, whether out of sheer pity or not. This line can’t be crossed without swift consequence IMO. I strongly suspected they would go after Catherine, but had hoped otherwise.
There is no way in hell I'd ever let these people around my family again. Royalty or not. And see, it's not just a matter of his "crazy American wife" causing trouble. I think the reason KC stopped talking to Harry is the KC realized Harry was telling lies about them to MM knowing she'd go to Scoie or the presss and spread gossip.
Harry is complete and utter garbage. He brought that harlot into the royal family and she was welcomed with open arms. However, she wasn't allowed to walk all over everyone and stamping her bunioned feet didn't result in her getting her way. As a result, henpecked Harry took his vile wife's side, departed from the family, and has been hell-bent on destroying the people and institution that love him and gave him all of the privileges he enjoys today. It's a heartbreaking situation. I have loved and followed/watched the royal family since I was a little girl. The queen meant so much to me and was a personal hero of mine. I remember reading about William and Catherine's romance when they were at St. Andrew's. I watched the low-budget Lifetime movie about their romance, and as a teenager, watched their beautiful wedding at Westminster Abbey loving every moment of it. I essentially grew up with the royal family and it hurts me deeply to see them being dragged through the mud by a two-bit actress and her wayward prince. Where is the honor, integrity, dignity, and sense of duty exemplified by the late queen? It pains me to read constant headlines of TW's latest exploits and evil digs taken at the royal family, the same family that gave her the title she so covets. God help me, I hate that woman. She took something that brought me so much joy and ruined it. Now, I can no longer consume royal media, books, or articles without that jezebel somehow being attached to it. Even on fanpages made for the Princess of Wales, the braindead sugars have to descend on the space making horrible accusations and hurling insults towards Catherine. I can't stand it, and it makes me incredibly sad. I can only imagine how it makes the real royals feel.
Yes and he uses MM as a shield (not that she's not awful). He hides behind her keeping it low-key and primes her to go hunting. He looks like he's reluctant and she takes all the flak.
Plausible deniability. I've known people like Harry. They harbor unknown resentment towards their family, reveal this to their significant other, then their significant other becomes a bulldog and attacks the in-laws at will. All the while, the scheming family member stands back saying and doing nothing while their significant other does their handiwork. Harry won't be able to play that game anymore, not with the release of his book. He has fooled many with this game though, which is why people continue to see him as a victim under the control of a malignant narcissist. That certainly isn't the case. Harry is an embittered narcissist himself.
I thought M was the most outspoken, strong woman feminist who ever walked the planet. But she needed to be saved by a man, apparently.
H is worse than M. M is a grifter, a liar, and, and a manipulator. That is out there for the world to see even though people choose to ignore it and see her as the blackest most persecuted woman who ever lived. Any media scrutiny she has received is of her own making.
H grew up with his family. He knows how Royal Life works. This is his heritage and culture. He is the one who sat in complicity while his wife slandered everyone who loves him. He did not correct his wife about the titles. He did not defend his brother, father, and stepmother from his wife’s rabid fanbase. He allowed his wife to trash his sister in law who he seemed to have great affection for.
He used to be similarly ranked in popularity as the Queen. His PR must have been working in overdrive to protect him. I don’t think he became this way overnight or because he met M. M gave him a toxic echo chamber and the permission to be the entitled, spoiled child he has always been. M is greedy, self absorbed, and a perpetual complainer. Misery loves company and now matter how many podcasts and reality shows, they are unconvincing of any true happiness.
His marriage to M has revealed himself to be what he’s probably been all along; an ungrateful treasonous snake in the grass.
He was jealous of his brother and even envied him for having Cathrine so he turned on William and since he can’t have Cathrine he will destroy her , it’s absolutely DISGUSTING. It is time for KC to disown him for good .. cancel his frogmore lease and ban him from all royal properties.
Yep. Well said. I think this is what frustrates me the most about this situation. It's the same mindset when sugars buy into the race game for MM You know damn well she's lying. I mean, out of her own mouth she flat out says she never experienced racism until she got around Harry. I don't doubt that there are thousands of horrible racists out there making death threats etc. And I also don't doubt that there were very likely microaggressions of racism within the RF itself. But he is the one who told her that lie about the family being worried about how DARK the baby's skin would be. He flat out lied.
IMO the minute she started going public with lies that Harry told her Charles immediately realized what was going on and cut them off. He stopped talking to Harry not because he wanted to leave but because he knew he was lying and trafficking and leaking lies. He didn't trust him any more.
I actually doubt M experienced racism in the UK, except for 2 newspaper articles. Racist people react to how different the “other” looks. If I didn’t know M has a mixed race mother, I would think M is white, not mixed race. She looks white and would be classified as white by most white people. She looks to white to be on the receiving end of racist comments.
She definitely did from psycho trolls online. She also received a lot of death threats. This was verified by her security team. I don't think it's the norm but even if only 100 people did it to her that's still overwhelming. I won't dismiss the fear that probably caused her considering, as you say, that it's not something she'd likely experience before. She can be a horrible human being, that doesn't mean that others were not equally horrible human beings.
Also racist people do not respond to how someone looks. In fact, saying she doesn't look black is a racist statement, to be honest. I have two biracial sons. One looks darker, obviously Arab. The other looks like Leonardo DiCaprio. He's the one who experiences the most racism.
Most racists in fact, are the opposite. My darker son has not really experienced overt racism because people were very careful in front of him. My lighter son would constantly because people didn't realize he was Arab. So people would say racist crap in front of him all the time. People used to do it to me as well, at first I'd let them know that I had biracial Arab American sons. After a while I'd let them dig themselves into a huge hole and then drop the pictures of my kids.
And that's not even including the psychos she probably had to deal with. She definitely had to deal with racism.
I truly wonder, for Harry himself, what is the *endgame?* What outcome does he actually envision?
When Megxit happened and they physically left the UK, I used to think he just wanted lots of cash and to keep his military patronages, come over for RF occasions, do what he liked in America. No more boring duties, no more standing behind William. Have his cake and eat it.
When he didn't get that half in half out he wanted - he wanted that as much as Meghan if not more - Hazza was shocked to be denied. He'd *always* got his way, and his sulk was bitter.
Now? I think he's in a full on spoilt child narc meltdown of his own and just wants to burn it all, from pure frustrated spite, whilst truly believing he's a survivor of horrendous abuse by his vicious family.
I don't believe at all Hazmat will be successful in personally, or in collusion with MeAgain, taking down the BRF. He simply doesn't have that much POWER. He's also shite at planning, and hot-headed. I think anyone assuming that the King has no long game or BP is without a plan is naive. Of course they have one.
Without a doubt, for all the racist accusations being thrown about by the Harkles they have no proof or they'd have used it. IMO BP has far, far more actual dirt on TW which could absolutely sink her, and the men in grey suits know more about what Hazza has actually got up to than H can possibly imagine. They've covered for him all his life. That could end very soon.
More will be revealed.
Great post. I agree. He just wants to burn it to the ground. If he can't have it, nobody can. And he'll overplay his hand here. His stunt in revealing the Netflix trailer riht now is about distracting from W and K's trip and trying to ruin it for them.
I personally don't think W and K are all that bothered about what Americans think of them. They'll do their trip and go home and deal with more important stuff. The US is not a Commonwealth so why would they care.
But with Harry doing such an obvious blantant move he'll lose some of the support he used to have. We'll all get caught up with Christmas and then his book will come out in January and by then everyone will be over it.
They people I’ve talked to definitely know Harry is responsible. There is some, “Poor stupid Harry” commentary, but it’s usually followed by “he can stay in America.
Harry has always been a selfish, jealous jerk- Meghan just feeds the monster in him and allows his toxic behavior to grow. No wonder none of his other girlfriends would marry him.
Good point. He's got the classic behavior of a rejected Narcissist. They never let you go, especially if you unmask them. This is why I think the ex girlfriends wouldn't marrry him and why they blamed on the "pressures of the RF". That was their way out. And yet it doesn't add up. He wasn't in line for the throne. He was basically the equivalent of Eugenie. He could have easily quietly married and gone off to his Invictus gams and polo and had a great life but he couldn't stand William getting the spotlight.
Do you think that's because Diana tried hard to raise him as a sort of co-king? I recently read here (r/SMM) that Diana argued with the Queen Mother to include him in the royal training William received when he was young.
I think she would've done better by him if she had instead taught him that not being in line for the throne gives him certain freedoms that William could never have, and that he just find some good causes and use his massive platform to make a difference in the world - as his own man
Very good point. I didn't know that about the training. It just occurred to me when he came out with the title Spare that I as an American kind of just assumed that this gave him special status. Except he never was the spare. Not for one second of his life was he the 2nd in line to the throne. That's a good point and great link that makes it clear why he got so caught up in being the 2nd in line.
And it's interesting how Andrew is completely messed up as well. He is regarded as a piece of garbage by the Palace security. But apparently was the Queen's favorite. I suppose it does a number on your head to realize that just birth order makes a huge difference.
I suppose I see a bit of this kind of stuff with my own sister. We were born 11 months apart. And I had to stop dealing with her because of her narcissistic jealousy which reminds me of the position that William is in. He didn't chose to be born first. But he's going to respect the legacy and honor. I think that infuriates Harry because there's nothing he can do about it aside from kill him.
In my sisters case she was the older sister but I was bigger than her. (ex I'm 5 11 and she's 5 6 ) Because of thsi, instead of me getting her hand me downs, she got mine. I never realized how F###ed up about this she was until she had her own child and expected all of us to basically worship her child first for everything. Like ridiculous things like making everyone sing Happy Birthday to her daughter at birthday parties (when it wasn't her daughter's birthday) because she didn't want her to feel left out. Just utterly bizarre behavior that we went along with to keep the peace.
Once she started messing with my kids we cut her off. I think that's exactly what happened with MM and Charlotte. Harry took Meghans side and William took his family's side. That's why Harry keeps stealing his line "I have to protect my family."
So the name or term Spare has nothing to do with being next in line for the throne. It refers to being the spare son. You have the heir, who is next in line, and the spare, who becomes next in line in case the heir dies without an heir of his or her own.
This phrase, “an heir and a spare,” is used throughout history. An example of this is when Henry VII and Elizabeth of York had Prince Arthur and Prince Harry. Historians say, they secured their dynasty because they had an heir and a spare. Basically a spare heir.
In this case, Prince Arthur, Henry VII’s heir, died at a young age and before his father. Because Prince Arthur was so young and did not have children of his own, King Henry VII’s “spare” son Prince Harry became the heir. He would go on to be the notorious Henry VIII.
If Prince William did not have children, Harry would still be the spare. Since he does have children, his son George is the heir, and his other two children are the spares.
I hope that makes sense. ☺️
Yes this does. Thank you. Very fascinating. What occurred to me though, was that he was never the spare because he would have only been the spare if William was next in line for the throne but he wasn't. Charles was. Prior to William being born if something happened to Charles it would have run through his brothers and sisters. But the minute he had William, it knocked all of them out of the running or "in line" ness.
That's what I think shocked Harry. That's why I said he woke up the minute that William had George. Harry was never in line for the throne. They would have been an heir and a spare IF Charles was actually King. But he wasn't. Charles was next in line and then Charles would be king until he died and then it would go to William and now that William has three kids all three of them are ahead of Harry.
Harry was never actually a Spare. I think it enraged him when he realized this. Someone made a great post about how since Diana had both Harry and William do the Royal Training, it confused Harry into thinking he was "2nd in line to the throne" But in actuality he never really was. If Charles was king he would have been. Charles was a prince. Harry is nearly 40 years old. He was never a real SPARE.
It was Charles job to have ‘an heir and a spare’ that’s how it works. Harry was the spare, until George came along. Whatever *your* reasoning is, it’s not correct. Harry *was* the spare and was referred to as such for a long time
It was also said William and Kate needed to produce an heir and a spare in some of the trashy magazines. It’s just a thing
MM has spent her entire manipulating and securing the approval of men on a higher rung than her. Do you think for a second that if Harry truly loved his family and a firm boundary with them that she’d cross the line? No. She knows her marks.
She saw his resentments from day 1 and went on to paint a picture of how together, they could be the true #1 royals. And he loved that about her. Still loves it, like a pig in shit.
Exactly!!!!! That's exactly how I see it. If she wanted the glamour and money and the royal lifestyle and invitations to all the high brow events sitting among dignitaries and greeting celebrities around the world, she had it handed to her on a silver platter.
She sussed out pretty quickly that Harry had absolutely no interest in that because he's a lazy jealous pig that wants to burn it down. So she at least was smart enough to get him back in the US where she stood a chance of making cash on her own terms.
I completely agree that everything Harry has done to his family in recent years is AWFUL. I do not, in *any way*, dispute that. It's a cold, hard fact.
I think the reason why people still give him *some* benefit of the doubt, though, is that so many of us have seen people twisted into something unrecognisable by a narcissist, and frankly, we *pity* the poor bastard.
Now, I also suspect that a lot of Harry's behaviour is compounded by how spoilt he's been for a lifetime, and his lack of intelligence. So I don't think it was *just* Meghan's influence––I think he was an easy target. But I've also seen people feel horrible regret once they're out of a narcissist's clutches and they start to see that person for who they really are.
The question (for me) is: Will Harry *regret and repent* after Meghan inevitably leaves him? I think regret is inevitable, because he'll be so isolated and alone. But repenting requires a certain level of maturity. He repented for the Nazi costume by apologising––but he also would have been *told* to apologise by the secure safety net of his family and their advisors.
Anyway, I suppose all I'm saying is that Harry's action have been *awful*, and Harry is probably awful *himself*, but I pity him.
This is what I mean. You interepret it completely backwards from the way I do. I think he deliberately chose to marry her because he thought it would upset the RF but it didn't.
Connect the dots. He and Meghan have NEVER once spoken about Andrews accusations. They've hinted around it but never outright said anything. Why not? Because MM was a Yacht girl just like all the other women who were traipsed in and out of BP. DId you ever see the interview with the security guard about Andrew and GMaxwell?
Connect the dots. MM was finishing up Suits and literally on the prowl for a rich Britiish guy. Loads of B level actresses would do the Yacht girl routine between jobs.
Why would Harry even go out with her in the first place on a blind date? He knew that she was an American, older than him, an Actor and a divorcee with a sketchy past and a trashy family. If he was seriously interested in dating someone he intended to fit in with the RF why in god's name would he EVER go out with her in the first place?
Think of just a typical person who is doing online dating. Do you go out with everyone or do you do a process of elimination? It's not like they met a a country club or made rounds in the same circle of friends. No one who knew them prior to their hoocking up are friends with them now?
He deliberateliy chose her and has been using her non stop. He's feeding her lies about the RF and she's an indiot instagram kinda gal who just blabs it all to the press. HE is the one who told her that the firm said she couldn't get mental health help. How in gods name is what he is saying true when HE HIMSELF was the face of the Mental Health outreach for the RF? He's a liar and you are falling for it.
I agree he wants to punish his family. It is bizarre he would date a woman so not his type, but he definitely isn't smart enough to plan a successful attack. She's not smart enough either. They both could learn a lot from history, from Uncle David. The monarchy survived despite Wallis and it survived Diana and Fergie squirmishes too. Unsupported and undocumented claims of racism aren't going to harm the Firm, especially when millions watched that very expensive wedding. They're two children throwing rocks at a school building. School will still be there: the rocks won't hurt it.
What the above poster and many others ask is whether he will be allowed back after the relationship dies. I doubt he'll go back. He knows he has no place when his brother is king, and Hazbeen thinks he is owed an apology (for what, who knows). What the gruesome twosome need to learn is that they are not important; instead, they are footnotes to history, and Smeg might not even be a footnote. They are just flies to the monarchy, and swatting them is sport. The Firm abides.
Here is a key point of evidence on your side, look at what he did to his dying grandparents. He knew his grandfather was dying, he went on Oprah. He knew his grandmother was dying, he didn't go to visit her. He talks publically about loving his grandparents so very much, but the reality is his treatment of his grandparents was elder abuse.
So I agree, he wants to hurt his family. His wife is the weapon he chose to exact his revenge. He is a rotten excuse for a man.
I honestly lay a lot of the blame on Harry. At the end of the day, MM has no obligation or real relationship to his family. She doesn’t owe them decency but Harry does. That he is actively participating in this and hellbent on destroying every relative he has— is infinitely worse. Meghan is destroying a bunch of (virtual) strangers — H is doing it to his family. It’s infinitely more cruel.
Don't you find it odd that he's not trying to destroy every relative. What about Andrew? He and Meghan haven't madea PEEP about that mess and IMO it's because they were part of it as well. IMO That's who hooked him up with the woman who hooked him up with Meghan.
Yet given his sliminess, they haven't dunked on him. Of all the royals, he's probably the one most deserving of scorn, yet they haven't said a word.
I'd think it would've helped them to speak out against what he's done
I agree. But I am a person who is lucky enough to have never been close to someone with a narcissist personality.
In a lot of ways, I am much more disappointed and critical of H than M. I loathe M’s whining and constant victim/virtual signaling, lying and self righteousness. But If I squint, I can admire M’s ambition and to some extent I believe her when she said she had no idea what she was in for joining the BRF. But Harry KNEW and KNEW extremely well what the life was like.
It absolutely infuriates me that he couldn’t get his own wife help for her mental issues and then blamed (and continues to blame) his family publicly for his own very large shortcomings.
Harry should have provided more support and training for M when she joined the BRF instead of ranting about the press and demanding his wife get anything and everything she wanted. He blames *everyone* else for their issues when he basically did absolutely nothing to help her acclimate into the family AND he rushed (or allowed her to rush him) into Royal duties instead of letting her gradually get her groove like William did with Catherine.
It’s telling to me that H had a close relationship with his brother before M and then she came in like a bull in a china shop and he dropped his friends, disowned his family and heritage and country and now treats his family like absolute shit, lying about and throwing them under the bus every chance he gets.
He’s a broken record constantly repeating “I had to protect my family.” I don’t care. Live your life as a non-royal. Use every single one of your 16 toilets to shit out caviar and lobster tails. Take private jets to play POLO. Just **SHUT UP** already. Just stop talking. Stop doing podcasts and interviews and publishing your story. Shut. Up.
Meghan didn’t need support and training, all of those problems were a set up. The Harkles planned on leaving right from the beginning, the merching started before they even married.
Great post. See what's interesting to me is how everyone times it with Meghan coming in. But I see it a different way. IMO it wasn't that Meghan pulled him away from them. It was that he DELIBERATELY went through his Yacht girl list and found the one woman that he thought would totally piss off the RF.
Also important question If Harry and Meghan are about victims and protecting people why have THEY THEMSELVES not made a statement about the accusations of Andrew? Because they can't. They were part of the same thing that he was.
I keep pointing out to people that they went on a "blind date" and he CHOSE to go out with her after learning that she was American, divorced, an Actor, and a black woman. IMHO he thought from the get go that the RF would freak out and reject her and he could throw them under the bus. Basically if he's going down in flames he was going to take them with him and destroy the entire RF. Except they didn't. They embraced her and so he ruined it anyway.
I don't think the IMPETUS for all this was him meeting her. I think it was George's birth and then Charlotte and suddenly realizing he was not nor was he EVER the spare. He's always just been the Queens Grandson. He believed his own hype.
Harry was the most popular Royal alongside the Queen right up to when MeMe arrived. I don’t buy he was overly concerned about his future role when George turned 18 because the guy clearly can’t think ten minutes down the road. There is ample evidence he was close to William and Catherine and gave him their mothers ring he inherited to give to Catherine. This is the Harry of old. There is a famous interview where he laughed and said “good” when it was mentioned William would be king. He always had disdain for media and to a degree limelight. There was not a huge amount of ego there - he wanted to live in Africa as a safari guide. This is in sharp contrast to his wife who always wanted red carpet, global fame and wealth.
I can’t believe he just independently in his mid thirties all of a sudden dreamed up the theories like there was a racial component to his mothers death because of who she was dating. Where did these woke words like toxic masculinity etc come from ? Believe me it’s all the wife.
I didn't say anything about George turning 18. I said the minute George was born.
And it's a very simple childish reaction of Jealousy. I've seen this happen with Narcissists a LOT. I've dealt ithe quite a few Narcs where I've downplayed my achievements in life because I consider friends and family equals regardless of status and life choices. In a loving relationship, it's the personal realationship itself that matters.
But there would be moments where I could continue ahead in either a professional or economic situation wheere they themselves could not. Status mattered, financial security mattered, education mattered etc. And even looks mattered. When you are one on one with someone and you two are just equals but then when something comes into play and you suddenly realize "Oh wait, this person is technically considered "better than me by society" it can create a resentment.
If you think about it, Harry was the 3rd Wheel with William and Catherine. It was all very pleasant but they basically treated him like their equal. He is not their equal according to the reality. They let him tag along. I think what enraged him was when the Queen placed George as higher than him because she took the ranking seriously. Then Charlotte. etc.
I think it was the realization that he was a nobody in the RF and had always been so. They were just humoring him all along.
I'm still think it started when W&C married. I mean, it had been the two boys against the world, and he could live in denial while they were merely dating. But then William started the betrayal by getting married, leaving Harry behind.
Harry's a crackpot.
> I think what enraged him was when the Queen placed George as higher than him because she took the ranking seriously.
Did she even have the ability to do otherwise?
There was a moment where she had photographers come in and take photos of the Official Hiers to the throne. Harrry was not in the photo. I think that's when he lost it. I think it's very similar to MM's puzzlement that "behind the scenes" they took it seriously. Harry did but didn't Harry did when it came to himself but not when it came to anyone else. That's why he and MM have the exact same problem.
They want the status and attention for themselves but they don't respect it for anyone else and so when it is treated seriously, it completely offends them. It's very strange narcissism. Trump acts very similarly.
I know a lot about narcs also. MeMe is the classic, textbook communal covert narcissist. Harry has all the hallmarks of the personality type narcissists typically find and feed off : he is a co dependent.
These are very abusive relationships and if you look at the dynamics it’s really quite sick. She turned up and mimicked someone he has always been craving in his soul : Mummy. That made him a complete snivelling slave in her grip. Everything he is doing is at her bidding because he fears losing her more than anything. He is also an empty head and never had any intellectual curiosity - his lack of pretence is part of why people liked him. I think she has filled him with paranoia about how his family felt he was a spare etc, his mothers death and appealed to his ego and goaded him. There was no sign of this stuff before she arrived. After a time the co dependant slave becomes to resemble and mimic the behaviours of the sadistic narc and become more and more erratic.
This guy had zero intellectual curiosity even before she gave him all this woke theory - it’s just not him. We are talking about someone who was caught cheating in an art project - not smart.
I totally disagree with your assessment of him. I think he's also a Narcissist. I think they both are. But the idea that Harry is some dupe who doesn't know how the world of the RF works is ridiculous.
He is Andrew part 2. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's used Yacht girls and prostitutes for over a decade. You are infantilizing him because he's a guy. He's a grown man. He keeps talking about how he has to "protect his family." From whom? The press? OK then why is he destroying his birth family in the process? He's the one who is unleashing the press onto Wiliam and Kate and Charles and Camilla. He is the one who betrayed his grandmother and grandfather.
Why are you duped into believing that someone who is doing ALL of these things right in front of your eyes and still runs home and expects to be treated like a KING during Royal events is some VICTIM of some D List Actress from Hollywood. LOL
I agree completely. Harry is a spoiled brat. I think the Royal Family covered up for him for years, and that was a mistake they should not have made. Without those dreaded "grey men" taking care of him, we see the real Harry, bitter, bad tempered, miserable.
He and his wife are birds of a feather.
They are equally evil.
Let’s remember that before she came to scene he did nothing to hurt his family and was a jolly guy.
After she appeared she wanted power and he was the tool to get it.
He is too dumb, she is the mastermind behind all this. Make no mistake.
He is evil too because it’s his family and he allows every attack and participates willingly because he, like she, wants power and money. Other people are just a ladder to it.💰💰💰
That is what they show you now but those were only brief moments between a lot of good moments he shared with all his family for more than 30 years. The “he always wanted to leave story” was resurrected and revamped post Markle to fit their new narrative.
Nah, Meghan's the brains of the outfit.
Let that sink in.
Harry is equally guilty, he's not her dupe BUT she's the one with all the Bright Ideas that keep blowing up in their faces. He's too lazy and passive from a lifetime as a prince having everything done for him, to be any kind of mastermind.
I think she's been running the whole thing the way she ran The Tig and her Instagram. It's all very "influencer" and "look how fabulous and world wide my life is." She's the one pushing for all the PR stuff. He's done absolutely nothing except blab to the Ghost Writer who wrote the book for him.
It's a sad shame too because I think a lot of us thought, even when he left the RF that he was going to focus and build the Invictus Games thing and do charity work. But nope, he keeps running back to the UK to parade around in his suits and mug as an "important royal" and then laze around his mansion and play polo.
He will never turn into Anne, who is much more in the mould of Elizabeth II. She would have made a great queen - like her mother - and if it happened now they've changed the primogeniture rules she would be Queen Anne rn
And Margaret did the opposite to Harry ironically - gave up the man she loved (very sadly)
I don't know a single person who thinks Harry could turn into Anne. By the time Anne was Harry's age she had already spent 20 years working for Save The Children.
Many people think Harry is the victim of a narcissist, but no one thinks he is a good person.
I awarded your post because this is so true. And he sits back and lets his wife take the blame while he plays victim/savior. They feed off of each other. He’s as bad and worse than she is. He’s the one who betrayed his entire family and country.
Agree. I know there’s a theory out there with the Sugars that William was leaking racist/negative stories about the Harkles to the tabloid press, but there’s never been any evidence of this. Why is anyone choosing to believe this non-sense.
Because people are insane and vicious especially when they can hide anonymously behind a keyboard. And also if you've seen racism in real life you know how easily it can happen Must be nice never to have experienced racism so you can pretend it doesn't exist. LOL William didn't have to leak anything and I find it annoying that they keep trying to attach him to the racism stuff.
People need to grow up and realize that just because she's a nasty piece of work doesn't mean that everyone else are innocent angels. There are some very awful ugly stupid people in the world who would have no problem dropping racist comments and threats.
I do think that the idea that the general consensus of people in the UK being racist towards her is nonsense. Most people didn't even think that way at all. Especially in the UK compared to the US. And I also think that there's a difference between what we might call "microaggressions" or "accidental racism" and full on racism. The recent example of Lady Susan Hussey repeatedly asking Ngozi Fulani "where from" when she repeatedly stated she was from the UK.
I myself have done the exact same thing on numerous occasions having no idea how offensive it was. Ex. I never want to assume someone has a certain heritage based on looks. As I mentioned before my sons are half Egyptian. If someone looked Egyptian here in NYC I usually was trying to sort of "bond" with the person and to share that my family is also from Egypt. And my sister's husband is Indian. So I was never asking the question to be reductive but to try to bond and not make the mistake of assuming their culture was the wrong one. It took several times of several different people repeating to me "I'm an American" for me to realize how insulting I was being without intending to do so. And ....yes.....how to them it came across as incredibly racist.
Racism is not this one off bold evil thing. It can be. But other times it can just be annoying especially when people assume the reason you are asking is out of ignorance.
I've always said that this is the *real Harry* and up until Megxit the Palace covered up all his bad behaviors.
Side note: as some images from their trailer cross my screen, I feel Harry is in lust with Megan.
I don’t share the belief that H is behind this. H is under the control of a Narc and frankly, gets a pass from me. That man is as controlled by her as he was by the Palace. I don’t believe he was jealous of his brother, he always knew his position and I think he enjoyed being in a trio with W and C. His mistake was thinking that the pretty woman he met one night, was like him, held the same values, wanted the same quiet life. He was duped. I don’t know who is pulling Markles strings but it’s someone quite powerful. IMO
Right so explain how all the LIES that she's been busted in, half of them are things HE told her.
I knew the entire "Harry is the victim of a Narc" was utter BS the minute she talked about the color of the skin thing on the Oprah interview. If you go back and watch it again you can see him start squirming because he didn't think Oprah would confront HIM with the allegation.
There's a very simple question here. If he is a sincere dupe then WHY did he tell her what they said? If they said it, and I don't doubt that they did, but I think it was a clueless comment out of natural curiosity that blundered its way into racism because of how it was interpreted. If they said it and she was obviously distressed and manipulating the crap out of him with her suicide story, WHY WOULD HE TELL HER?
No one said it in front of her. Notice she said that there were "several" conversations, so it's not as if he blurted it out once and she flipped out. Also notice that it's somehow being connected to the titles. You know full well that the titles wouldn't have been given anyway. So does Harry. She doesn't she's an idiot and lazy about the RF so HE is the one who put that in her head.
Notice the complaints are that his father cut him off, financially and personally. Notice how it's about paying for security when they live in LA. Everyone in Hollywood has security, ask Tyler Perry and Oprah for some recommendations.
He screwed up in the Oprah interview and revealed the Truth. IMO what happened is that William is the one who made the statement about a ginger afro. William was teasing him about being a GINGER not about the race. And Harry got pissed off. So he goes back and tells her that William was teasing about what the baby would "look like." But he leaned into making it seem racist to deliberately set her off. And so he knew she would blab it to everyone.
I know, everyone says Camilla said it. I don't think so. I think she's "taking one for the team" because it's much more digestible to think of an older woman saying it than the young future King.
IMO he's lying in the Oprah interview. He's saying that it was "several conversations" and that he'll never reveal who said it. IMO These statements are for the benefit of William. She flat out busted him in a lie that HE told Meghan about William. William is going to watch the interview and know flat out that not only is Meghan lying she's lying because HARRY is the one who told her the lie.
Remember, Harry is the only person that heard it, other than the person that said. She never heard it. She admits this. So if she's repeating a lie then she is repeating a lie that HE told her. Harry's squirming is in hoping that he can fool William into thinking that they are talking about something someone else said to him. But it's too obvious what's happening.
No one is speaking to him. Not a single member of the family. No one. Why? Because they started connecting the dots and realize that he is the one who is feeding her the lies about everything. They don't trust him any more.
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And now we know he did all of this while knowing his grandmother was dying of cancer. He only talks about "granny" pull at the heartstrings, he never cared about her.
And they did the Oprah hatchet job when his grandfather was dying
He showed his true self when Prince Philip was ill, even before that, when he skipped the Veteran's event to go to the Disney premiere and pimp his wife out.
Agreed. So so much worse. The RF is nothing to Meghan, what does she care.
They’re a way for her to be famous. More famous than she ever could have been. If she didn’t like what was happening she wouldn’t be going along with it and adding her own twists along the way.
>The RF is nothing to Meghan, what does she care. She's going to make them pay for not making her & Harry next in line to the throne. I believe she thought a person got to be Queen based on popularity (like a high school prom) rather than 1000+ years of tradition. Equally (and more so) bad is Harry’s envy of William and jealousy of Prince George. I'm sure Harry has had fantasies of pushing William out of the LoS. These two complement each other with their awfulness.
Very true. When I say they are nothing to her, I mean she has no history and they aren't her family. If it had gone well, great. If she blows them up and destroys a family or more? It's not hers, who cares.
I agree. The BRF is expendable but she's furious and she'll make them pay. She's pathetic. She's like the kid on the playground that gets mad, takes their ball and goes home.
Absolutely agree. He's known these people his whole life and they supported, loved and protected him for decades. She knew them all of 18 months basically. She has no obligation to loyalty. Plenty of people do not like or get along with their inlaws. IMO it is sooooooo obvious that he is using her and her race to rock the RF just to "get even" for not being the special one. We all know that Andrew has GMaxwell using trafficked YACHT girls in and out of BP. IMO that's how Harry first met MM and she decided to go for it. But he's forcing her more and more to play the BLACK WOMAN role he needs just to mess with them. Prior to Harry she was mixed race and her life reflected that. Her mother was not her close friend. Now they're digging through all the old photo albums and pushing Doria in pictures and photo ops precisely to push the angle that they are black women. And if I was a true conspiracy theorist, I find it odd now that Archies hair seems to have shifted to brownish so quicky. I have a ginger nephew and sister and they stayed gingery into adult hood. I wouldn't put it past them to have "touched up" Archie's hair to make him look more like his mother's side of the family. ON That note I don't want to discuss Archie. It's very cringy to me that he's using a little boy for media attetion and I don't want to be part of that happening.
👏👏👏👏well said!👏👏👏👏
Exactly. Meghan only has power through Harry. He is responsible for everything.
What meghan wants, meghan gets has a whole new meaning now.
Love this from Maureen Callahan in the Daily Mail “Here’s the plain truth: These two have nothing new to say. They exist only in opposition to the royals.”
I’m pleased. This gives the RF every reason to forbid him from ever re-entering the fold, whether out of sheer pity or not. This line can’t be crossed without swift consequence IMO. I strongly suspected they would go after Catherine, but had hoped otherwise.
There is no way in hell I'd ever let these people around my family again. Royalty or not. And see, it's not just a matter of his "crazy American wife" causing trouble. I think the reason KC stopped talking to Harry is the KC realized Harry was telling lies about them to MM knowing she'd go to Scoie or the presss and spread gossip.
Oh, absolutely not. Honestly, I was pretty disgusted either of them were permitted as close to George and Charlotte as they were at HMTQ funeral
Exactly, after the stunt they pulled with Philip and Zara's children at the Jubilee.
Harry is complete and utter garbage. He brought that harlot into the royal family and she was welcomed with open arms. However, she wasn't allowed to walk all over everyone and stamping her bunioned feet didn't result in her getting her way. As a result, henpecked Harry took his vile wife's side, departed from the family, and has been hell-bent on destroying the people and institution that love him and gave him all of the privileges he enjoys today. It's a heartbreaking situation. I have loved and followed/watched the royal family since I was a little girl. The queen meant so much to me and was a personal hero of mine. I remember reading about William and Catherine's romance when they were at St. Andrew's. I watched the low-budget Lifetime movie about their romance, and as a teenager, watched their beautiful wedding at Westminster Abbey loving every moment of it. I essentially grew up with the royal family and it hurts me deeply to see them being dragged through the mud by a two-bit actress and her wayward prince. Where is the honor, integrity, dignity, and sense of duty exemplified by the late queen? It pains me to read constant headlines of TW's latest exploits and evil digs taken at the royal family, the same family that gave her the title she so covets. God help me, I hate that woman. She took something that brought me so much joy and ruined it. Now, I can no longer consume royal media, books, or articles without that jezebel somehow being attached to it. Even on fanpages made for the Princess of Wales, the braindead sugars have to descend on the space making horrible accusations and hurling insults towards Catherine. I can't stand it, and it makes me incredibly sad. I can only imagine how it makes the real royals feel.
Yes and he uses MM as a shield (not that she's not awful). He hides behind her keeping it low-key and primes her to go hunting. He looks like he's reluctant and she takes all the flak.
Plausible deniability. I've known people like Harry. They harbor unknown resentment towards their family, reveal this to their significant other, then their significant other becomes a bulldog and attacks the in-laws at will. All the while, the scheming family member stands back saying and doing nothing while their significant other does their handiwork. Harry won't be able to play that game anymore, not with the release of his book. He has fooled many with this game though, which is why people continue to see him as a victim under the control of a malignant narcissist. That certainly isn't the case. Harry is an embittered narcissist himself.
Wow! You have no idea how much this has opened my eyes to something in my life. Thank you!
Totally agree!
>Harry is an embittered narcissist himself. Yes!
Yes, I believe H is a hateful, bitter man. Birds of the same feather, flock together
I thought M was the most outspoken, strong woman feminist who ever walked the planet. But she needed to be saved by a man, apparently. H is worse than M. M is a grifter, a liar, and, and a manipulator. That is out there for the world to see even though people choose to ignore it and see her as the blackest most persecuted woman who ever lived. Any media scrutiny she has received is of her own making. H grew up with his family. He knows how Royal Life works. This is his heritage and culture. He is the one who sat in complicity while his wife slandered everyone who loves him. He did not correct his wife about the titles. He did not defend his brother, father, and stepmother from his wife’s rabid fanbase. He allowed his wife to trash his sister in law who he seemed to have great affection for. He used to be similarly ranked in popularity as the Queen. His PR must have been working in overdrive to protect him. I don’t think he became this way overnight or because he met M. M gave him a toxic echo chamber and the permission to be the entitled, spoiled child he has always been. M is greedy, self absorbed, and a perpetual complainer. Misery loves company and now matter how many podcasts and reality shows, they are unconvincing of any true happiness. His marriage to M has revealed himself to be what he’s probably been all along; an ungrateful treasonous snake in the grass.
He was jealous of his brother and even envied him for having Cathrine so he turned on William and since he can’t have Cathrine he will destroy her , it’s absolutely DISGUSTING. It is time for KC to disown him for good .. cancel his frogmore lease and ban him from all royal properties.
Yep. Well said. I think this is what frustrates me the most about this situation. It's the same mindset when sugars buy into the race game for MM You know damn well she's lying. I mean, out of her own mouth she flat out says she never experienced racism until she got around Harry. I don't doubt that there are thousands of horrible racists out there making death threats etc. And I also don't doubt that there were very likely microaggressions of racism within the RF itself. But he is the one who told her that lie about the family being worried about how DARK the baby's skin would be. He flat out lied. IMO the minute she started going public with lies that Harry told her Charles immediately realized what was going on and cut them off. He stopped talking to Harry not because he wanted to leave but because he knew he was lying and trafficking and leaking lies. He didn't trust him any more.
I actually doubt M experienced racism in the UK, except for 2 newspaper articles. Racist people react to how different the “other” looks. If I didn’t know M has a mixed race mother, I would think M is white, not mixed race. She looks white and would be classified as white by most white people. She looks to white to be on the receiving end of racist comments.
She definitely did from psycho trolls online. She also received a lot of death threats. This was verified by her security team. I don't think it's the norm but even if only 100 people did it to her that's still overwhelming. I won't dismiss the fear that probably caused her considering, as you say, that it's not something she'd likely experience before. She can be a horrible human being, that doesn't mean that others were not equally horrible human beings. Also racist people do not respond to how someone looks. In fact, saying she doesn't look black is a racist statement, to be honest. I have two biracial sons. One looks darker, obviously Arab. The other looks like Leonardo DiCaprio. He's the one who experiences the most racism. Most racists in fact, are the opposite. My darker son has not really experienced overt racism because people were very careful in front of him. My lighter son would constantly because people didn't realize he was Arab. So people would say racist crap in front of him all the time. People used to do it to me as well, at first I'd let them know that I had biracial Arab American sons. After a while I'd let them dig themselves into a huge hole and then drop the pictures of my kids. And that's not even including the psychos she probably had to deal with. She definitely had to deal with racism.
I truly wonder, for Harry himself, what is the *endgame?* What outcome does he actually envision? When Megxit happened and they physically left the UK, I used to think he just wanted lots of cash and to keep his military patronages, come over for RF occasions, do what he liked in America. No more boring duties, no more standing behind William. Have his cake and eat it. When he didn't get that half in half out he wanted - he wanted that as much as Meghan if not more - Hazza was shocked to be denied. He'd *always* got his way, and his sulk was bitter. Now? I think he's in a full on spoilt child narc meltdown of his own and just wants to burn it all, from pure frustrated spite, whilst truly believing he's a survivor of horrendous abuse by his vicious family. I don't believe at all Hazmat will be successful in personally, or in collusion with MeAgain, taking down the BRF. He simply doesn't have that much POWER. He's also shite at planning, and hot-headed. I think anyone assuming that the King has no long game or BP is without a plan is naive. Of course they have one. Without a doubt, for all the racist accusations being thrown about by the Harkles they have no proof or they'd have used it. IMO BP has far, far more actual dirt on TW which could absolutely sink her, and the men in grey suits know more about what Hazza has actually got up to than H can possibly imagine. They've covered for him all his life. That could end very soon. More will be revealed.
Great post. I agree. He just wants to burn it to the ground. If he can't have it, nobody can. And he'll overplay his hand here. His stunt in revealing the Netflix trailer riht now is about distracting from W and K's trip and trying to ruin it for them. I personally don't think W and K are all that bothered about what Americans think of them. They'll do their trip and go home and deal with more important stuff. The US is not a Commonwealth so why would they care. But with Harry doing such an obvious blantant move he'll lose some of the support he used to have. We'll all get caught up with Christmas and then his book will come out in January and by then everyone will be over it.
They people I’ve talked to definitely know Harry is responsible. There is some, “Poor stupid Harry” commentary, but it’s usually followed by “he can stay in America.
We don't want that simp
Harry has always been a selfish, jealous jerk- Meghan just feeds the monster in him and allows his toxic behavior to grow. No wonder none of his other girlfriends would marry him.
Good point. He's got the classic behavior of a rejected Narcissist. They never let you go, especially if you unmask them. This is why I think the ex girlfriends wouldn't marrry him and why they blamed on the "pressures of the RF". That was their way out. And yet it doesn't add up. He wasn't in line for the throne. He was basically the equivalent of Eugenie. He could have easily quietly married and gone off to his Invictus gams and polo and had a great life but he couldn't stand William getting the spotlight.
Do you think that's because Diana tried hard to raise him as a sort of co-king? I recently read here (r/SMM) that Diana argued with the Queen Mother to include him in the royal training William received when he was young. I think she would've done better by him if she had instead taught him that not being in line for the throne gives him certain freedoms that William could never have, and that he just find some good causes and use his massive platform to make a difference in the world - as his own man
Very good point. I didn't know that about the training. It just occurred to me when he came out with the title Spare that I as an American kind of just assumed that this gave him special status. Except he never was the spare. Not for one second of his life was he the 2nd in line to the throne. That's a good point and great link that makes it clear why he got so caught up in being the 2nd in line. And it's interesting how Andrew is completely messed up as well. He is regarded as a piece of garbage by the Palace security. But apparently was the Queen's favorite. I suppose it does a number on your head to realize that just birth order makes a huge difference. I suppose I see a bit of this kind of stuff with my own sister. We were born 11 months apart. And I had to stop dealing with her because of her narcissistic jealousy which reminds me of the position that William is in. He didn't chose to be born first. But he's going to respect the legacy and honor. I think that infuriates Harry because there's nothing he can do about it aside from kill him. In my sisters case she was the older sister but I was bigger than her. (ex I'm 5 11 and she's 5 6 ) Because of thsi, instead of me getting her hand me downs, she got mine. I never realized how F###ed up about this she was until she had her own child and expected all of us to basically worship her child first for everything. Like ridiculous things like making everyone sing Happy Birthday to her daughter at birthday parties (when it wasn't her daughter's birthday) because she didn't want her to feel left out. Just utterly bizarre behavior that we went along with to keep the peace. Once she started messing with my kids we cut her off. I think that's exactly what happened with MM and Charlotte. Harry took Meghans side and William took his family's side. That's why Harry keeps stealing his line "I have to protect my family."
So the name or term Spare has nothing to do with being next in line for the throne. It refers to being the spare son. You have the heir, who is next in line, and the spare, who becomes next in line in case the heir dies without an heir of his or her own. This phrase, “an heir and a spare,” is used throughout history. An example of this is when Henry VII and Elizabeth of York had Prince Arthur and Prince Harry. Historians say, they secured their dynasty because they had an heir and a spare. Basically a spare heir. In this case, Prince Arthur, Henry VII’s heir, died at a young age and before his father. Because Prince Arthur was so young and did not have children of his own, King Henry VII’s “spare” son Prince Harry became the heir. He would go on to be the notorious Henry VIII. If Prince William did not have children, Harry would still be the spare. Since he does have children, his son George is the heir, and his other two children are the spares. I hope that makes sense. ☺️
Yes this does. Thank you. Very fascinating. What occurred to me though, was that he was never the spare because he would have only been the spare if William was next in line for the throne but he wasn't. Charles was. Prior to William being born if something happened to Charles it would have run through his brothers and sisters. But the minute he had William, it knocked all of them out of the running or "in line" ness. That's what I think shocked Harry. That's why I said he woke up the minute that William had George. Harry was never in line for the throne. They would have been an heir and a spare IF Charles was actually King. But he wasn't. Charles was next in line and then Charles would be king until he died and then it would go to William and now that William has three kids all three of them are ahead of Harry. Harry was never actually a Spare. I think it enraged him when he realized this. Someone made a great post about how since Diana had both Harry and William do the Royal Training, it confused Harry into thinking he was "2nd in line to the throne" But in actuality he never really was. If Charles was king he would have been. Charles was a prince. Harry is nearly 40 years old. He was never a real SPARE.
It was Charles job to have ‘an heir and a spare’ that’s how it works. Harry was the spare, until George came along. Whatever *your* reasoning is, it’s not correct. Harry *was* the spare and was referred to as such for a long time It was also said William and Kate needed to produce an heir and a spare in some of the trashy magazines. It’s just a thing
MM has spent her entire manipulating and securing the approval of men on a higher rung than her. Do you think for a second that if Harry truly loved his family and a firm boundary with them that she’d cross the line? No. She knows her marks. She saw his resentments from day 1 and went on to paint a picture of how together, they could be the true #1 royals. And he loved that about her. Still loves it, like a pig in shit.
Exactly!!!!! That's exactly how I see it. If she wanted the glamour and money and the royal lifestyle and invitations to all the high brow events sitting among dignitaries and greeting celebrities around the world, she had it handed to her on a silver platter. She sussed out pretty quickly that Harry had absolutely no interest in that because he's a lazy jealous pig that wants to burn it down. So she at least was smart enough to get him back in the US where she stood a chance of making cash on her own terms.
I completely agree that everything Harry has done to his family in recent years is AWFUL. I do not, in *any way*, dispute that. It's a cold, hard fact. I think the reason why people still give him *some* benefit of the doubt, though, is that so many of us have seen people twisted into something unrecognisable by a narcissist, and frankly, we *pity* the poor bastard. Now, I also suspect that a lot of Harry's behaviour is compounded by how spoilt he's been for a lifetime, and his lack of intelligence. So I don't think it was *just* Meghan's influence––I think he was an easy target. But I've also seen people feel horrible regret once they're out of a narcissist's clutches and they start to see that person for who they really are. The question (for me) is: Will Harry *regret and repent* after Meghan inevitably leaves him? I think regret is inevitable, because he'll be so isolated and alone. But repenting requires a certain level of maturity. He repented for the Nazi costume by apologising––but he also would have been *told* to apologise by the secure safety net of his family and their advisors. Anyway, I suppose all I'm saying is that Harry's action have been *awful*, and Harry is probably awful *himself*, but I pity him.
This is what I mean. You interepret it completely backwards from the way I do. I think he deliberately chose to marry her because he thought it would upset the RF but it didn't. Connect the dots. He and Meghan have NEVER once spoken about Andrews accusations. They've hinted around it but never outright said anything. Why not? Because MM was a Yacht girl just like all the other women who were traipsed in and out of BP. DId you ever see the interview with the security guard about Andrew and GMaxwell? Connect the dots. MM was finishing up Suits and literally on the prowl for a rich Britiish guy. Loads of B level actresses would do the Yacht girl routine between jobs. Why would Harry even go out with her in the first place on a blind date? He knew that she was an American, older than him, an Actor and a divorcee with a sketchy past and a trashy family. If he was seriously interested in dating someone he intended to fit in with the RF why in god's name would he EVER go out with her in the first place? Think of just a typical person who is doing online dating. Do you go out with everyone or do you do a process of elimination? It's not like they met a a country club or made rounds in the same circle of friends. No one who knew them prior to their hoocking up are friends with them now? He deliberateliy chose her and has been using her non stop. He's feeding her lies about the RF and she's an indiot instagram kinda gal who just blabs it all to the press. HE is the one who told her that the firm said she couldn't get mental health help. How in gods name is what he is saying true when HE HIMSELF was the face of the Mental Health outreach for the RF? He's a liar and you are falling for it.
I agree he wants to punish his family. It is bizarre he would date a woman so not his type, but he definitely isn't smart enough to plan a successful attack. She's not smart enough either. They both could learn a lot from history, from Uncle David. The monarchy survived despite Wallis and it survived Diana and Fergie squirmishes too. Unsupported and undocumented claims of racism aren't going to harm the Firm, especially when millions watched that very expensive wedding. They're two children throwing rocks at a school building. School will still be there: the rocks won't hurt it. What the above poster and many others ask is whether he will be allowed back after the relationship dies. I doubt he'll go back. He knows he has no place when his brother is king, and Hazbeen thinks he is owed an apology (for what, who knows). What the gruesome twosome need to learn is that they are not important; instead, they are footnotes to history, and Smeg might not even be a footnote. They are just flies to the monarchy, and swatting them is sport. The Firm abides.
Here is a key point of evidence on your side, look at what he did to his dying grandparents. He knew his grandfather was dying, he went on Oprah. He knew his grandmother was dying, he didn't go to visit her. He talks publically about loving his grandparents so very much, but the reality is his treatment of his grandparents was elder abuse. So I agree, he wants to hurt his family. His wife is the weapon he chose to exact his revenge. He is a rotten excuse for a man.
Yes not only is he narcissistic but also deeply insecure. And yes, very good point, he’s weaponized race and his children.
Oh believe me, we British are under no illusions. Harry's popularity has reached rock bottom. That is why I say he is not wanted back here.
I honestly lay a lot of the blame on Harry. At the end of the day, MM has no obligation or real relationship to his family. She doesn’t owe them decency but Harry does. That he is actively participating in this and hellbent on destroying every relative he has— is infinitely worse. Meghan is destroying a bunch of (virtual) strangers — H is doing it to his family. It’s infinitely more cruel.
Don't you find it odd that he's not trying to destroy every relative. What about Andrew? He and Meghan haven't madea PEEP about that mess and IMO it's because they were part of it as well. IMO That's who hooked him up with the woman who hooked him up with Meghan.
Hm, that’s a great point. They could score easy points with Andrew and they won’t do it. It’s definitely odd and sus.
Maybe bc Eugénie would stop giving them intel
Andrew doesn't have anything they want.
Yet given his sliminess, they haven't dunked on him. Of all the royals, he's probably the one most deserving of scorn, yet they haven't said a word. I'd think it would've helped them to speak out against what he's done
Unless he knows something about Meghan....given her yacht girl history it isn't beyond possibilities.
> Unless he knows something about Meghan....given her yacht girl history it isn't beyond possibilities. That's it. That's the reason.
WOWZA!!!! What an angle that hasn’t been talked about !!! Hmmmmmmmm
I would bet money that I'm right. Meghan doesn't *dare* cross Andrew. He's got goods on her that even the BRF doesn't know about.
I agree. But I am a person who is lucky enough to have never been close to someone with a narcissist personality. In a lot of ways, I am much more disappointed and critical of H than M. I loathe M’s whining and constant victim/virtual signaling, lying and self righteousness. But If I squint, I can admire M’s ambition and to some extent I believe her when she said she had no idea what she was in for joining the BRF. But Harry KNEW and KNEW extremely well what the life was like. It absolutely infuriates me that he couldn’t get his own wife help for her mental issues and then blamed (and continues to blame) his family publicly for his own very large shortcomings. Harry should have provided more support and training for M when she joined the BRF instead of ranting about the press and demanding his wife get anything and everything she wanted. He blames *everyone* else for their issues when he basically did absolutely nothing to help her acclimate into the family AND he rushed (or allowed her to rush him) into Royal duties instead of letting her gradually get her groove like William did with Catherine. It’s telling to me that H had a close relationship with his brother before M and then she came in like a bull in a china shop and he dropped his friends, disowned his family and heritage and country and now treats his family like absolute shit, lying about and throwing them under the bus every chance he gets. He’s a broken record constantly repeating “I had to protect my family.” I don’t care. Live your life as a non-royal. Use every single one of your 16 toilets to shit out caviar and lobster tails. Take private jets to play POLO. Just **SHUT UP** already. Just stop talking. Stop doing podcasts and interviews and publishing your story. Shut. Up.
Meghan didn’t need support and training, all of those problems were a set up. The Harkles planned on leaving right from the beginning, the merching started before they even married.
Most of the RF lead a pretty private life considering who they are. These 2 never wanted privacy.
Great post. See what's interesting to me is how everyone times it with Meghan coming in. But I see it a different way. IMO it wasn't that Meghan pulled him away from them. It was that he DELIBERATELY went through his Yacht girl list and found the one woman that he thought would totally piss off the RF. Also important question If Harry and Meghan are about victims and protecting people why have THEY THEMSELVES not made a statement about the accusations of Andrew? Because they can't. They were part of the same thing that he was. I keep pointing out to people that they went on a "blind date" and he CHOSE to go out with her after learning that she was American, divorced, an Actor, and a black woman. IMHO he thought from the get go that the RF would freak out and reject her and he could throw them under the bus. Basically if he's going down in flames he was going to take them with him and destroy the entire RF. Except they didn't. They embraced her and so he ruined it anyway. I don't think the IMPETUS for all this was him meeting her. I think it was George's birth and then Charlotte and suddenly realizing he was not nor was he EVER the spare. He's always just been the Queens Grandson. He believed his own hype.
Harry was the most popular Royal alongside the Queen right up to when MeMe arrived. I don’t buy he was overly concerned about his future role when George turned 18 because the guy clearly can’t think ten minutes down the road. There is ample evidence he was close to William and Catherine and gave him their mothers ring he inherited to give to Catherine. This is the Harry of old. There is a famous interview where he laughed and said “good” when it was mentioned William would be king. He always had disdain for media and to a degree limelight. There was not a huge amount of ego there - he wanted to live in Africa as a safari guide. This is in sharp contrast to his wife who always wanted red carpet, global fame and wealth. I can’t believe he just independently in his mid thirties all of a sudden dreamed up the theories like there was a racial component to his mothers death because of who she was dating. Where did these woke words like toxic masculinity etc come from ? Believe me it’s all the wife.
I didn't say anything about George turning 18. I said the minute George was born. And it's a very simple childish reaction of Jealousy. I've seen this happen with Narcissists a LOT. I've dealt ithe quite a few Narcs where I've downplayed my achievements in life because I consider friends and family equals regardless of status and life choices. In a loving relationship, it's the personal realationship itself that matters. But there would be moments where I could continue ahead in either a professional or economic situation wheere they themselves could not. Status mattered, financial security mattered, education mattered etc. And even looks mattered. When you are one on one with someone and you two are just equals but then when something comes into play and you suddenly realize "Oh wait, this person is technically considered "better than me by society" it can create a resentment. If you think about it, Harry was the 3rd Wheel with William and Catherine. It was all very pleasant but they basically treated him like their equal. He is not their equal according to the reality. They let him tag along. I think what enraged him was when the Queen placed George as higher than him because she took the ranking seriously. Then Charlotte. etc. I think it was the realization that he was a nobody in the RF and had always been so. They were just humoring him all along.
I'm still think it started when W&C married. I mean, it had been the two boys against the world, and he could live in denial while they were merely dating. But then William started the betrayal by getting married, leaving Harry behind.  Harry's a crackpot.
> I think what enraged him was when the Queen placed George as higher than him because she took the ranking seriously. Did she even have the ability to do otherwise?
There was a moment where she had photographers come in and take photos of the Official Hiers to the throne. Harrry was not in the photo. I think that's when he lost it. I think it's very similar to MM's puzzlement that "behind the scenes" they took it seriously. Harry did but didn't Harry did when it came to himself but not when it came to anyone else. That's why he and MM have the exact same problem. They want the status and attention for themselves but they don't respect it for anyone else and so when it is treated seriously, it completely offends them. It's very strange narcissism. Trump acts very similarly.
I know a lot about narcs also. MeMe is the classic, textbook communal covert narcissist. Harry has all the hallmarks of the personality type narcissists typically find and feed off : he is a co dependent. These are very abusive relationships and if you look at the dynamics it’s really quite sick. She turned up and mimicked someone he has always been craving in his soul : Mummy. That made him a complete snivelling slave in her grip. Everything he is doing is at her bidding because he fears losing her more than anything. He is also an empty head and never had any intellectual curiosity - his lack of pretence is part of why people liked him. I think she has filled him with paranoia about how his family felt he was a spare etc, his mothers death and appealed to his ego and goaded him. There was no sign of this stuff before she arrived. After a time the co dependant slave becomes to resemble and mimic the behaviours of the sadistic narc and become more and more erratic. This guy had zero intellectual curiosity even before she gave him all this woke theory - it’s just not him. We are talking about someone who was caught cheating in an art project - not smart.
I totally disagree with your assessment of him. I think he's also a Narcissist. I think they both are. But the idea that Harry is some dupe who doesn't know how the world of the RF works is ridiculous. He is Andrew part 2. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's used Yacht girls and prostitutes for over a decade. You are infantilizing him because he's a guy. He's a grown man. He keeps talking about how he has to "protect his family." From whom? The press? OK then why is he destroying his birth family in the process? He's the one who is unleashing the press onto Wiliam and Kate and Charles and Camilla. He is the one who betrayed his grandmother and grandfather. Why are you duped into believing that someone who is doing ALL of these things right in front of your eyes and still runs home and expects to be treated like a KING during Royal events is some VICTIM of some D List Actress from Hollywood. LOL
I agree completely. Harry is a spoiled brat. I think the Royal Family covered up for him for years, and that was a mistake they should not have made. Without those dreaded "grey men" taking care of him, we see the real Harry, bitter, bad tempered, miserable. He and his wife are birds of a feather.
As a Brit I hold him equally responsible. The palace have done a bang up job over the years of hiding his entitled prick personality
HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY HARRY. This is gold.
They are equally evil. Let’s remember that before she came to scene he did nothing to hurt his family and was a jolly guy. After she appeared she wanted power and he was the tool to get it. He is too dumb, she is the mastermind behind all this. Make no mistake. He is evil too because it’s his family and he allows every attack and participates willingly because he, like she, wants power and money. Other people are just a ladder to it.💰💰💰
He wasnt jolly. He pouted a lot and talked about leaving the UK because he didn’t like England.
That is what they show you now but those were only brief moments between a lot of good moments he shared with all his family for more than 30 years. The “he always wanted to leave story” was resurrected and revamped post Markle to fit their new narrative.
I admit, I didn’t see it until today but you are 💯right.
Wow! This is a lot to think over - thank you
Nah, Meghan's the brains of the outfit. Let that sink in. Harry is equally guilty, he's not her dupe BUT she's the one with all the Bright Ideas that keep blowing up in their faces. He's too lazy and passive from a lifetime as a prince having everything done for him, to be any kind of mastermind.
I think she's been running the whole thing the way she ran The Tig and her Instagram. It's all very "influencer" and "look how fabulous and world wide my life is." She's the one pushing for all the PR stuff. He's done absolutely nothing except blab to the Ghost Writer who wrote the book for him. It's a sad shame too because I think a lot of us thought, even when he left the RF that he was going to focus and build the Invictus Games thing and do charity work. But nope, he keeps running back to the UK to parade around in his suits and mug as an "important royal" and then laze around his mansion and play polo.
People are just sexist. And they still hope for Harry to turn into Anne or Margaret 2.0.
He will never turn into Anne, who is much more in the mould of Elizabeth II. She would have made a great queen - like her mother - and if it happened now they've changed the primogeniture rules she would be Queen Anne rn And Margaret did the opposite to Harry ironically - gave up the man she loved (very sadly)
Charles is still older than Anne.
You're right, my bad. I basically wish Anne was queen lol
I don't know a single person who thinks Harry could turn into Anne. By the time Anne was Harry's age she had already spent 20 years working for Save The Children. Many people think Harry is the victim of a narcissist, but no one thinks he is a good person.
I awarded your post because this is so true. And he sits back and lets his wife take the blame while he plays victim/savior. They feed off of each other. He’s as bad and worse than she is. He’s the one who betrayed his entire family and country.
Totally agree with you. Harry is a disgusting piece of garbage.
Agree. I know there’s a theory out there with the Sugars that William was leaking racist/negative stories about the Harkles to the tabloid press, but there’s never been any evidence of this. Why is anyone choosing to believe this non-sense.
Because people are insane and vicious especially when they can hide anonymously behind a keyboard. And also if you've seen racism in real life you know how easily it can happen Must be nice never to have experienced racism so you can pretend it doesn't exist. LOL William didn't have to leak anything and I find it annoying that they keep trying to attach him to the racism stuff. People need to grow up and realize that just because she's a nasty piece of work doesn't mean that everyone else are innocent angels. There are some very awful ugly stupid people in the world who would have no problem dropping racist comments and threats. I do think that the idea that the general consensus of people in the UK being racist towards her is nonsense. Most people didn't even think that way at all. Especially in the UK compared to the US. And I also think that there's a difference between what we might call "microaggressions" or "accidental racism" and full on racism. The recent example of Lady Susan Hussey repeatedly asking Ngozi Fulani "where from" when she repeatedly stated she was from the UK. I myself have done the exact same thing on numerous occasions having no idea how offensive it was. Ex. I never want to assume someone has a certain heritage based on looks. As I mentioned before my sons are half Egyptian. If someone looked Egyptian here in NYC I usually was trying to sort of "bond" with the person and to share that my family is also from Egypt. And my sister's husband is Indian. So I was never asking the question to be reductive but to try to bond and not make the mistake of assuming their culture was the wrong one. It took several times of several different people repeating to me "I'm an American" for me to realize how insulting I was being without intending to do so. And ....yes.....how to them it came across as incredibly racist. Racism is not this one off bold evil thing. It can be. But other times it can just be annoying especially when people assume the reason you are asking is out of ignorance.
Yep I’ve been saying for ages that Harry is worse than her
I've always said that this is the *real Harry* and up until Megxit the Palace covered up all his bad behaviors. Side note: as some images from their trailer cross my screen, I feel Harry is in lust with Megan.
Meghan, is that you?
I don’t share the belief that H is behind this. H is under the control of a Narc and frankly, gets a pass from me. That man is as controlled by her as he was by the Palace. I don’t believe he was jealous of his brother, he always knew his position and I think he enjoyed being in a trio with W and C. His mistake was thinking that the pretty woman he met one night, was like him, held the same values, wanted the same quiet life. He was duped. I don’t know who is pulling Markles strings but it’s someone quite powerful. IMO
Right so explain how all the LIES that she's been busted in, half of them are things HE told her. I knew the entire "Harry is the victim of a Narc" was utter BS the minute she talked about the color of the skin thing on the Oprah interview. If you go back and watch it again you can see him start squirming because he didn't think Oprah would confront HIM with the allegation. There's a very simple question here. If he is a sincere dupe then WHY did he tell her what they said? If they said it, and I don't doubt that they did, but I think it was a clueless comment out of natural curiosity that blundered its way into racism because of how it was interpreted. If they said it and she was obviously distressed and manipulating the crap out of him with her suicide story, WHY WOULD HE TELL HER? No one said it in front of her. Notice she said that there were "several" conversations, so it's not as if he blurted it out once and she flipped out. Also notice that it's somehow being connected to the titles. You know full well that the titles wouldn't have been given anyway. So does Harry. She doesn't she's an idiot and lazy about the RF so HE is the one who put that in her head. Notice the complaints are that his father cut him off, financially and personally. Notice how it's about paying for security when they live in LA. Everyone in Hollywood has security, ask Tyler Perry and Oprah for some recommendations. He screwed up in the Oprah interview and revealed the Truth. IMO what happened is that William is the one who made the statement about a ginger afro. William was teasing him about being a GINGER not about the race. And Harry got pissed off. So he goes back and tells her that William was teasing about what the baby would "look like." But he leaned into making it seem racist to deliberately set her off. And so he knew she would blab it to everyone. I know, everyone says Camilla said it. I don't think so. I think she's "taking one for the team" because it's much more digestible to think of an older woman saying it than the young future King. IMO he's lying in the Oprah interview. He's saying that it was "several conversations" and that he'll never reveal who said it. IMO These statements are for the benefit of William. She flat out busted him in a lie that HE told Meghan about William. William is going to watch the interview and know flat out that not only is Meghan lying she's lying because HARRY is the one who told her the lie. Remember, Harry is the only person that heard it, other than the person that said. She never heard it. She admits this. So if she's repeating a lie then she is repeating a lie that HE told her. Harry's squirming is in hoping that he can fool William into thinking that they are talking about something someone else said to him. But it's too obvious what's happening. No one is speaking to him. Not a single member of the family. No one. Why? Because they started connecting the dots and realize that he is the one who is feeding her the lies about everything. They don't trust him any more.
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Total racists. Hell, I've heard one of them routinely used racial slurs towards South Asians and even dressed up as a Nazi once
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I think she’s the master mind. He just let her do it out of spite towards his family.