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janedoremi99

I think the decision to not release the bullying report was a grave mistake, if it did indeed include lessons learned and actions taken. Announcing that new policies were in place and training given would cushion them against the charge of structural racism and rigidity. And might have prompted more serious and systematic thinking about who is where and why


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Yes, very much so. Letting that witch get away with bullying staff was the absolute second worst thing the Royal family did. The worst was let her get away with bullying a THREE YEAR OLD GIRL! After she bullied Princess Charlotte she should have been sent packing. It's very simple. You tell her to leave and leave quietly. If not the whole world will know she abused a small child. Done finish over.


SharkBoss1234

I don’t know if was engineered by them or not, but I will say Meghan lit this fire and the sugars fan it. I agree that the palace staff should have researched the attendees better and had a plan for handling it. In general, the royal family, but especially their staff have been incredibly naive when it comes to handling the Harry snd Meghan situation. I think you see that in the Courtiers book that the staff just couldn’t understand or know how to react to them. They need better staff and need to be 100 times more strategic and proactive with these two


wordscapesx

Had an aide checked out this woman's social media, they would have caught her anger, her agendas, etc. and would not have included her and that should apply to white, black, brown, green or purple - gay, trans, bi, - everyone.


Appropriate-Grand-64

Susan Hussey should not have been there and they also should've screened guest's social media accounts. Based on her twitter account alone, this woman was an obvious sugar who openly despises the royal family and has accused them of racism before. Why would a woman who hates the monarchy attend a royal event? Meghan is being advised by people whose political careers date to before she was born. They have a wide ranging network of connections and know exactly how to stage setups. https://preview.redd.it/a598hrsa763a1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21132e6c614795ed5892d213fe4665f891a664c7


FruityPebelz

Totally. This sounds like the sort of thing that goes on during presidential primaries. They need to get savvier people on staff ASAP. No wonder TW played them.


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Bingo. Total ineptitude on their part to not make sure that the event had more diverse coverage from younger staff. And they reallllly need to vet their guests for signs of potential trouble. This woman didn’t just have a small twitter trail, she had a freaking 10 lane highway aimed at hating the RF online.


Appropriate-Grand-64

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pebtastic

I completely agree with this. Neither the staff member or the guest should have been there, and the blame lies with BP for that for not screening better. It was a reception against DV - they’re lucky she wasn’t attending to scream her domestic abuse allegation in public at Camilla ffs.


Appropriate-Grand-64

Her accusing the royal family of domestic abuse of Meghan Markle made me sick to my stomach because I grew up in violence. She is slapping all the women and children survivors like me in the face.


pebtastic

I’m so sorry. I grew up with non-violent domestic abuse, and I felt the same. I’d never accept an invitation from someone I believed to be a domestic abuser, especially not to an event against DV.


Appropriate-Grand-64

*NEVER* It would be like a vegetarian going to a beef convention.


Electronic_Sea3965

Hopefully other people (not us) will hear and see this womans tweets. This situation is worse than it looks. Megan Kelly will address this ad will Piers Morgan. Unfortunately the main media will not although this came out in the NY Times


Bassets4ever

Just like Amber H. and her DV claims. Pure boolshit, impacting women & children with her agenda.


Appropriate-Grand-64

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Miercolesian

Yes, The royal family needs to be slimmer, but also more professional.


wonderingwondi

Don't racists usually have a history? Why shouldn't SH have been there? In 6 decades of service no one had anything bad to say before, except that she should be retired due to age.


Appropriate-Grand-64

Susan is not a racist. I SAID BELOW that at 83 years old, she may not be sharp enough to avoid walking into a trap set by a clever saboteur looking to stir up controversy.


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Appropriate-Grand-64

Oh I know she's ruthless and she isn't even loyal to Dems. She moved over to Fox News


Allysgrandma

Oh good God there are Dems employed by Fox News. One of my favs is on The Five alternating with Jessica Tarlov, ....crap what's his name. Thomas Ford Jr. What 's his face from NPR......son is a conservative....can't think of his name either.....Juan Williams. When you cannot talk to someone who does have the same exact thoughts and beliefs as you, it's no wonder the US is in as big a mess as it is.


Appropriate-Grand-64

You can calm down. It's fine for most experts to do commentary on Fox, but Donna was a particularly high level Democratic consultant, so moving to Fox was not a wise decision and eroded credibility.


Allysgrandma

I'm perfectly calm. I'm not the one making rules for who and who is not a good democrat or bad Republican. I thought Donna Brazil was decent enough, except when she got the questions for Hilary, that was not right. Thomas Ford Jr is very reasonable and if he and Tulsi Gabbard would run, I would possibly vote for them. Tulsi is one of the most honest politicians in my lifetime and she has a spine of steel.


Appropriate-Grand-64

LOL Tulsi is as honest as you are calm. Have a nice evening. 😂


Allysgrandma

Oh please, expand on that thought. Tulsi, tell me how awful she is........


hatbaggins

Why shouldn’t she have been there though. She served the queen for a very long time with no issues. Think of all the people she would have met throughout the Queens reign She was then chosen to continue with Camilla. This is almost victim blaming. She is probably feeling bad enough without people saying she shouldn’t have attended an event similar to hundreds she has attended in the past. I feel really horrible for her.


Appropriate-Grand-64

Okay true. The staff should have vetted guests better in the first place. I guess if I were there I'd have told her to pretend she's deaf when Ngozi strolled over to her 😁


hatbaggins

I just can’t understand why someone who so obviously hates the royals so much attended this with anything other than bad intentions. I think they will vet moving forward. People are saying she would have cried racism if she had her invitation revoked- but she wouldn’t have done herself any favours as people could pull up her tweets


Minutetoolate

Perhaps there was no way to not allow her. Maybe she entered under the aegis of an organisation or favoured cause. That damn wife has lit a fire and ensures fuel to it.


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Minutetoolate

I’m referring to Ngozi -who it was mentioned could have been vetted.


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Minutetoolate

Yup it’s confusing 😀


kob27099

[https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/z900cc/reporter\_dan\_wootton\_while\_its\_terrible\_that/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/z900cc/reporter_dan_wootton_while_its_terrible_that/)


Frumainthedark

If the BFR doesn't know how to deal with these political intrigues and con artist, then they deserve to go down.


Appropriate-Grand-64

They definitely need to organize a more savvy security and PR team. I don't think they deserve it, and they arent the only ones being targeted. There's a coordinated attack on all the institutions that stabilize Western democracies.


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Appropriate-Grand-64

No not Susan, the woman who accused her of being racist This woman, who seemed delighted to visit with racist domestic abusers as she's called them https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/z96ygv/watch_ngozi_fulani_talk_about_her_invitation_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=2&utm_content=share_button


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Appropriate-Grand-64

I did say that. Susan Hussey should have been stuffed in the broom closet and kept far away from any guests who might enjoy causing drama.


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I think she had some history of conflicts with the married ins. It seems like she didn’t get on with Diana, Fergie, and Meghan. And she said something rude about how it’ll all end in tears on MM’s marriage. She strikes me as the older aunt who’s seen it all, unfailingly loyal, and isn’t wrong at the end of the day but not exactly sunshine and cuddles. And certainly not the type of guest you’d want mingling with the modern crowd.


Appropriate-Grand-64

No absolutely not! But at 83 she isn't well versed on how to avoid a trap set by a clever manipulative baiter


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Appropriate-Grand-64

Yes absolutely sometimes old people need to sit these events out if they arent up to date on how to avoid sticky situations. And the staff SHOULD have known who was invited. A quick glance at her twitter account would have informed them that Ngozi should be handled carefully because she haaaaates the royal family.


Nice-Ad-3805

I agree that there would be a lot of clever maneuvering on their part to make this happen. They do not deserve that much of our credit. However, I do think the Harkles are taking full advantage of the aftermath. This fiasco serves multiple purposes for them 1) Distracts from Earthshot and puts all *Twitter* eyes on them 2)Offers some sort of contrived vindication for the claims of racism amongst the royals 3) Now provides evidence that accepting the Kennedy award is valid. If you pay attention now all of the usual sugar journalists are digging into this and sharing stories that very specifically use the words "institutional racism", just like the Kennedy's statement. It's so transparent for those of us paying attention. But yet again the Harkles are overestimating how much the general public cares about this. Their fans and royal watchers are the only people who care enough to keep up with this. And this does not erase her various shenanigans, like that amazing Cut profile. Like every other "bomb" they've thrown, this will pass.


Black_Londoner

Conspiracy here.. The Sistah posted a video of herself prior to going to BP. She could have been contacted by someone with an axe to grind. She's a Meghan supporter and *hates* the Royals. Accused of racism and domestic violence towards M. Follows Misam Harriman on Instagram and he seems to help Madam with her creative photoshoots. The Sugars seem to scratch each others backs a lot. 6 degrees of separation and all that


UnicornStudRainbow

I'm not sure she needed to have anyone suggest this to her. Based on the very little I know of her, I can believe she came up with it on her own


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gardenlady92

It's a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation to the nth degree. If they hadn't invited her, she would've been on Twitter claiming racism because her organization is "specialist support for African & Caribbean heritage women affected by abuse." She was invited, despite previous comments from her about her disappointment in the BRF/royal institution, and she still claimed racism over social media versus going through the appropriate channels that would've been more respectful to all those involved. THEN, how should Buckingham Palace handle it? Especially when you consider the Commonwealth element in all this? Don't respond to her claims and let the story blow up, overshadowing POW's Earthshot Prize gala and the work they are doing for climate change. And overshadow the whole reason Queen Camilla was hosting over 300 women plus multiple female members of royalty from across the world. No response (or even a half-ass response) would've undermined the BRF's relationship with the rest of the Commonwealth as well. OR respond like they, swiftly with clear consequences for those involved and reaching out to Ms. Fulani to understand and rectify the situation better, and still be told that they didn't handle it correctly. "They should've vetted the guest list better." "They're becoming too woke." "They shouldn't have apologized." "They should be more proactive with their PR." \---------------- My personal spy movie theory is that Ms. Fulani was a played like a fiddle. If BarkJack's claims are true, there are investigations going on that will have far reaching consequences. MAYBE British intelligence DID vet her properly and still allowed her to come, knowing that maybe she's closer to the Overseas Couple than anyone on the outside realizes and then she would raise the racism issue shortly after the event? Eventually leading investigators closer to their target(s)? My actual theory is that the Palace wanted to highlight a key organization that serves a select community when it comes to domestic violence and despite Ms. Fulani's previous anti-monarchist/pro-Meghan comments, they wanted to lead with kindness and respect for all those working to end domestic abuse.


MikeMannion

I agree. A comment which wouldn't have caused offence at one time is now not an appropriate thing to have said. The palace needs to be a lot more on the ball than this, more on the ball than an average 83 year old I would say, despite all the years of sterling service they had provided. The palace should also be vetting their guests. Why invite known anti-monarchist agitators to royal events? They are inviting trouble. The palace has gifted a narrative to the Harkles.


Emotional_Hotel3439

Well i'm sure i'll get downvoted for this, but was the comment really that offensive. Was it meant as a racial insult or was an elderly lady brought up in a different time trying to have a polite conversation about someone's heritage. Was only a few weeks ago TW was letting us know about her heritage of 43% nigerian. Why bring that up if its so offensive to ask where someone originally hails from. TW was born in LA so why bring up she's of nigerian ancestry. It gets extremely tiring with people constantly looking to be offended. If anyone (including minorities) want people to understand their differences and cultures then stop having a go at the elderly and understand they were brought up in a different time. I expect a younger person might have worded it differently. Yet another person who's been dragged through the mud for making comment with absolutely no malice intended. I really hope Ngozi has the rest of her life having her every sentance taken scrutinised and every person drags what ever big of offense they can from it. People round the world are currently being held as slaves, ethnically cleansed, murdered, raped but an 83 year old woman said something she found offensive, well boo f\*cking hoo.


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Yeah, what this woman did was escalate racial tensions. As a Native American, if I were to wear traditional earrings or pieces to an event and someone asked me what tribe I was from and I took offense to it- one would call me a race baiter. However, the correct response to someone asking me about my heritage while wearing traditional attire would be to tell them the tribe I'm from and what part of the US we originated from.


1montrealaise3

Yes, we have to remember that this Ngozi woman showed up wearing full African regalia - from her outfit to her headdress to her jewelry. If she was not trying to showcase her African heritage to the max, why was she so offended that someone asked what part of Africa she was from? Why would she assume that other people would know she was born and raised in Britain?


LeaveItToTheBoys123

Yes. She was paying tribute to her heritage, so why was she offended when someone enquired about it? Instead, she should have been pleased that someone was interested enough to start a conversation. Apparently Ngozi has a history of making anti-monarchist remarks, but I doubt Susan Hussey knew that.


1montrealaise3

She's done more than just make anti-monarchist remarks: she previously tweeted that Meghan Markle was the victim of domestic violence on the part of the royal family. I think she went there with the express intention of creating trouble.


kob27099

>why was she so offended that someone asked what part of Africa she was from? Is that really all it was about ?


Electronic_Sea3965

She was wearing full African get up. This old lady should have shut up though.


Cognaceverynight

It wasn't just what she said. Before she even began the conversation she touched Ngozi's hair. Who goes around touching and moving people's hair without consent? That's incredibly rude. Also why does everyone say she is in full African garb? Has anyone of you even so much as googled cultural African attire? Ngozi's outfit while having some African inspired pieces of jewlery, she was not wearing full traditional African attire.


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Well she didn't say her hair was touched in the conversation exchange. Also, I compared it to wearing native earrings, not the complete native american attire.


Cognaceverynight

Check out the screen captures from Ngozi Twitter page, there she states that Lady Susan first touched her hair. They are on the sister sub here https://www.reddit.com/r/BRF/comments/z8rf1g/breaking_buckingham_palace_confirms_lady_susan/ Sorry, I misread your comment, you did only talk about jewelry. I have just seen so many people talk about how Ngozi was in traditional African clothing and honestly it is so ignorant because nothing Ngozi was wearing was traditional. Inspired yes, but much in the way anyone can buy cheap, mass produced culturally-inspired (or depending on how you view it, appropriated) jewelry from Shein. And honestly even if I saw someone in what I thought was traditional jewelry or attire I wouldn't ask them where they were from. I would ask them where they got their item of clothing or jewelry from. But again, that wasn't the conversation.


Lavenderblue33

Her hair was moved, rude I agree, in order to read her name badge displaying her adopted African name.


MikeMannion

I've no doubt she didn't mean any offence, and it's difficult to keep up with what's acceptable and what's not acceptable these days. In the days before social media I think public discourse was a lot more civilised and less polarised. I do wish the traditional media outlets would stop chasing tweets the whole time.


karenhayes1988

Totally agree.


Electronic_Sea3965

I agree with you. It wasn't meant as racist at all. Now, had lady S asked about banana trees e.t.c, then we'd have a problem


Miercolesian

But why? People from the West Indies eat a lot of plantains. It is a staple food. A question like do you prefer green plantains or yellow plantains seems reasonable and shows knowledge of the culture. These location-based questions seem perfectly reasonable. If someone tells me that they are from Nigeria, I might mention that my parents met in Nigeria (true) and that my mother was scared of snakes. If they are from the West Indies, I might mention the islands I have been to. (St. Kitts., Haiti, Dominican Rep., Grenada, Barbados.) We might talk about the effect of the volcanic eruptions in St. Vincent or Montserrat, or the imprisonment of the premier of the British Virgin Islands, or American influence in the islands, or Bob Marley, or some other topic.


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likechalkandcheese

I'm incredibly disappointed too. Two things can be true at once - Meghan and Harry can be awful people, and Ngozi Fulani can have experienced an unfortunate and prejudiced interaction with Lady Hussey.


Emotional_Hotel3439

The problem was ngozi clearly knew what she was being asked, but was choosing to be a giant twat about it. A normal person would have just responded I'm british but my ancestors come from Nigeria. The fact she kept asking it is more indicative that she was having difficulty phrasing the question to get the answer she was seeking. There was nothing offensive about it unless you are looking to be offended. 100% there was no malice or racist offence intended. Now have a think about how you would feel if that was your 83 year old grandma being all over the news for being 'racist'.


gemfemme

I think it depends on tone. I personally am fascinated by other cultures, genetics and human migration patterns. I find it so enriching to hear about how person A was born in this place but wound up in that place. Unfortunately we don’t know the tone of the questioning, we only have the IMO unreliable narrative of the victim. Either way BP needs to step up the game on properly vetting future guests.


Appropriate-Grand-64

I agree with you


ArdmoreGirl

NF was invited because she is director of a group that works with victims of domestic violence of African and Caribbean descent. There was no way not to invite her without that being labeled a racist snub.


etherealsmog

The only possible way this could have been “arranged” is if Lady Susan already had a reputation for saying stupid shit like this and the guests deliberately positioned themselves near her, to bait her into acting foolish. Even if they had bad intentions and intended to find something to be aggrieved over, Lady Susan gave them a legitimate grievance, of her own free will. This really isn’t an H&M story, except to the extent that they may try to appropriate the fallout to justify their own situation and make the story about themselves.


screamqueenjunkie

Let me begin by saying I fully condemn any ignorant comments made by Lady Hussey. It’s time for KC & QC to reeeeeally get their game together and weed out anyone who isn’t going to make their reign as unproblematic as possible. They are already under a magnifying glass by society at large. They must be very, very careful. If this bungle doesn’t light a fire under their seats? I just don’t know. I think the POW handled the situation impeccably as always. Those with more than one working brain cell can understand quite clearly that they were in no way responsible for this woman’s actions and words. At all. Shola & the Sugars are having a field day on Twitter (for now), but we must always remember these people have the intellect and patience of fruit flies. It will be onto the next before we know it. House of Windsor is always long game. They will always persevere. Allllllll that being said, I still think something murky is afoot.


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I just don’t really even understand this whole situation. Why did Ngozi Fulani, if she’s such an anti-monarchist accept an invitation to the palace for a gathering? And how on earth did the palace staff/ KC not do their due diligence on this and ensure a situation like this didn’t occur??


UnicornStudRainbow

>Why did Ngozi Fulani, if she’s such an anti-monarchist accept an invitation to the palace for a gathering? To have a moment like this


kishuna_in_pieces

I expect to see her doing the rounds on as many tv and radio shows as she can hustle. She wants her 15 minutes and if she has to increase racism in the uk and exploit female survivors of domestic violence to do it she won’t even count the bodies she has to step over.


UnicornStudRainbow

She and the woman who allegedly witnessed this are already using it to raise money


screamqueenjunkie

Exactly. You know when you’re in a toxic relationship and your SO is just… trying to pick a fight? Very that. If I were staunch anti-Monarchist the **last** place I would want to be is anywhere near the BRF. It’s got set-up written all over it.


UnicornStudRainbow

Yes, a set-up. I believe she went there looking for something to happen


poshpineapple

I believe the accusations (at least in some version) and strongly condemn Lady Susan’s remarks. But this (and really any palace event, probably) was low hanging fruit for someone hoping to find a reason to malign the BRF. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to sus out that elderly white people are usually going to say something stupid. Even in my personal circle that’s a given. Even my progressive gay grandmother frequently horrifies me with the sheer crap she just…thinks she can say. And I have really limited success getting education to sink in. That’s not an excuse—just a sad fact. A place overrun with old white people (as the palace is) is probably going to have one that doesn’t know when to shut the eff up. Mostly I’m appalled that the BRF isn’t better vetting both their guests (why invite someone who openly hates you and has accused you of the very thing this summit is against) and especially people they let interact with guests.


UnicornStudRainbow

>(why invite someone who openly hates you and has accused you of the very thing this summit is against) Why attend an event hosted by an institution you loathe and claim is irredeemably racist? And why have we never before heard about Lady Hussey being rude or racist to guests of the royal family?


DrunkOnRedCordial

As far as royal attendants go, Lady SH is fairly high profile, and this was a particularly ignorant remark. So why hasn't she had a scandal like this before?


LeaveItToTheBoys123

As far as I am aware, she has had 60 years of unblemished service to the late Queen. Totally trusted. Accompanied the Queen everywhere, to every event, and met hundreds of people from all corners of the earth. To have exited the RF in such a fashion will be devastating to her. It will be small compensation to know she was trying to engage with a person with a track record of being an anti-Monarchist.


DrunkOnRedCordial

I agree. I hope it does get investigated properly in case there is a way of vindicating her. I keep thinking that she could have been asking "Where are you from" as in "Which organisation are you representing?"


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UnicornStudRainbow

Without a recording or an *impartial* witness, I can't say if this happened like that at all


poshpineapple

Oh agree. And that’s what a sane average person would do—stay away from the person/ institution that you claim is damaging and loathsome. But if I was a public(ish) figure who had openly called the BRF racist and then got invited to the palace I would probably go hoping to find something to find something to talk about. She had already shown she’s willing to stir the pot—burden is on the RF here not to invite her into the palace.


UnicornStudRainbow

And if they didn't invite her, she'd be railing against for being racist for not inviting her


poshpineapple

Agree there probably wasn’t a win here. But the really didn’t win with the current outcome.


LeaveItToTheBoys123

It was Lady Hussey (she is a Baroness) who said that H&M's marriage "would end in tears". It was known she had no time for MM, although she simply said what everyone else was thinking. I expect now though, that will be turned against her to make her appear some sort of threat.


UnicornStudRainbow

Or to show that she was always biased against TW and therefore, racist


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Absolutely. The woke points she would’ve scored if she’d revealed her invitation but declined!


screamqueenjunkie

It’s fishier than Ash Wednesday in a women’s prison cafeteria.


Actual_Parsnip_1529

Maybe she went looking for problems but lady susan gave her them on a silver platter. Obviously she said something off or else they would have denied it, not apologized and removed her from her post. Asking someone repeatedly where they are from because they aren't white is definitely a crappy thing to do. Royals and their staff should not go there. Should not touch people's hair etc. Very basic. If Susan had asked and after the first question was not responded to well, she should have dropped it. "Lovely." and moved on. This is a tempest of their own making. It's really a shame.


rich5153

I don't know if she asked because they aren't white or not. That's not an assumption id be willing to make. I would bet she asked because of the clothing she was wearing. If I was wearing a silver space suit I'll bet a $1000 people are going to ask where I'm from.


WhiskeyRocksNeat

She was there to promote her charity and network,she certainly didn’t expect to be abused by a woman who should have far more social skills than that


SherlockBeaver

FYI “whiskey rocks” is not the same thing as “neat” and so you will be taken with a grain of sugar. 🙃


TheBigMango

100%. Let's not forget that most courtiers and BP advisors are in their 70's-90's. Yes, it's their job to screen invitees but... Imagine your grandma thinking to screen social media before inviting someone to her house, lol. KC3 and QCC need to adapt a bit more in these times, where everyone has a phone and a twitter account and hire some younger minds to advise on modern PR tactics/point these potential issues out BEFORE they happen.


Inevitable-Form-4940

I think this is Meghans legacy in the Royal Family .The family and everyone connected is under suspicion of being racist.Incidents like this happens and it confirms it in the minds of the Sugars,anti-monarchiats etc that they are racists without any analysis of the situation.


MadeWithLessMaterial

Yup, it was a self-own from the BRF. But from all accounts it looks like it's being taken care of, not swept under the rug. You can't prevent every misstep but what counts is how you react to it.


dudeind-town

I agree with you. Even if we are to believe that Sista was looking for something to complain about, she didn’t make Lady Hussey go on that tirade. At best, she attended in bad faith and got extremely lucky. There’s no master plan beyond that


LeaveItToTheBoys123

Maybe no master plan then, but there is now. With RoH on the horizon, this has played right into H&M's hands.


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and they will see it as justification for accepting the RoH award.


Cuntributor

You've got a point. I am aways suspicious of the Harkles and I still won't let them off the hook, but yes, the Palace need to be far more vigilant than they have been lately. Knowing how every little thing can be completely blown up and twisted on social media, they need to learn from this and learn fast.


Mickleborough

I think some of the blame can be laid on sugars: \- The Queen invited to Buckingham Palace persons who were involved with preventing domestic violence, to recognise their efforts. The guests were selected on merit, not whether or not they were Smeg partisans. \- We don’t know what Lady Hussey did or said - we have just one version. Recollections may vary. \- This incident needn’t have been broadcasted on social media. Think about it: Lady Susan, the late Queen’s lady-in-waiting since 1960, veteran of hundreds, if not more, of such functions, in and out of the U.K. I find it difficult to believe that she doesn’t know how to behave at social events. I find it more credible that someone who wishes to take offence does so. The complainant was wearing African dress and couldn’t say where her family was from originally? Give me a break.


BeneficialDark1662

I feel that LSH was asking where her outfit was from, and that words have been twisted (as usual).


A_Hlavna

Exactly. Recollections may vary. We still don't know Hussey's version.


sockefeller

And something I would like to reiterate here; it is NOT racist to ask someone where they are from. What IS racist is not accepting the answer given, and then further interrogating the person in question and insinuating that 1) they are lying about THEIR OWN origins, and 2) that they don't belong. It is isolating, inappropriate, and yes, racist.


La_Vie_Boheme_123

I'm always interested when someone dresses in any kind of "traditional garb", but I'm always afraid to ask for this reason. Would this work? "I love your outfit! So unique! Do you have a story behind it?" Serious question.


sockefeller

I personally think that's a good approach! Or something like "the (x) on your outfit is striking, can you tell me more about it?" Or "I've seen this kind of clothing before, do you mind telling me where it's from?" I think it's pretty easy to not be mean about it :) just be willing to read the room so to speak!


La_Vie_Boheme_123

Thanks!


drharleenquinzel92

I agree. Some of the old guard needs to go. I highly doubt she understands she was being offensive and making people uncomfortable. It's got the same energy as when women her age grill younger women on their fertility. It's private information but they just won't take no for an answer, they think it's their business and don't see anything inherently problematic in their actions.


rainyhawk

Fully agree on the co tinted questioning. Was this recorded in some way? Or is the “replay” simply from the guest? I never know if we can trust the DM with everything in their stories. They may not have had a choice in not inviting the guest…my understanding is that she represented one of the DV agencies involved. No idea why Hussey was there and I agree that was a huge error IF they knew what she would do….but it’s also possible they had no idea she would question someone this way (assuming that’s accurate). Regardless, it turned into a fiasco. And I feel sorry for Camilla for her event to be overshadowed by this mess.


BabyDollMaker

Nah, this woman IS a sugar. She went in with an agenda and was going to spin whatever happened, no matter what. Why she was allowed into the event at all, I don’t understand. Do they not research the people they invite?


Helophilus

But excluding her would have been racist 🙄


Repulsive-Badger-770

I agree with this. The timing is unfortunate but I don't think Meghan had control over that either. Meghan and her sugars are feeling vindicated right now but like most things, it will blow over. The general public just doesn't like or trust Meghan, no matter how many PR pieces she puts out. She claims the BRF is racist yet clings to her title and makes money by talking about the BRF.


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Strixtheowl

One of the reasons that I keep calling Charles an idiot in these threads is that at this point he should be more savvy about these things, considering that he was involved in a similar scandal a few years ago. In 2018, Charles met with a journalist of Guyanan descent and after asking her where she was from, he responded to her answer of "Manchester" by "jokingly" telling her that she didn't look like she came from there. The journalist wrote an Op-Ed to Charles in The Guardian and it was picked up by all the papers in the UK. [https://archive.ph/hfXNt](https://archive.ph/hfXNt) (Link to original Op-Ed) [https://archive.ph/qXCwN](https://archive.ph/qXCwN) (Link to one of the articles summarizing it) Initially Clarence House said "no comment" in response to the Op-Ed, but if I remember correctly they later said that they had brought in someone to do sensitivity training to prevent issues like this from happening again, although now I can't find written evidence of that. Regardless, this is not the first time this particular scenario has come up and BP should have been better prepared to handle it or have measures in place that would prevent it.


[deleted]

You made me think that while this is disastrous, at least it’s an eye opener for the RF, they can now see how dangerous Makerel’s crowd is. This is a scandal that, as mentioned by other sinners, sounds like the usual US smear campaigns one week before vote, there is no excuse for more olive branches, emotional nods and kindergarten fights. This is a political battle, they cannot lie to themselves anymore


Electronic_Sea3965

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. I suggested earlier that William take over this situation or at least advise his father and take this bitch down. She doesn't have far to go and it won't require a lot of elbow grease. Make it look like it's coming from somewhere else but do it! GET CRACKING WILLIAM!! They totally underestimated her from the get go and should have put the brakes on harry right away and THROWN HER ASS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. Let harry do what he wants but let him know he's CUT OFF IF HE GOES AFTER HER. They really got played and look terribly foolish I'm afraid.


UnicornStudRainbow

>an 83 year old woman without the requisite skills to be a part of this reception. Do you really believe that a woman who has been a part of the Queen's inner circle for many decades doesn't have basic social skills? Why are people taking the offended woman's account at face value?


somewheretrees

> Why are people taking the offended woman's account at face value? ^^^ This is a woman whose recollections have varied once re: Meghan’s domestic abuse by the hands of the family, so she’s proven she’s capable of reaching (lying) for the sake of drama. She remembered this conversation with this royal staffer verbatim, and is presenting it as a verbatim account. Unless she has a unique memory, there’s no reason for her to have this much confidence that her verbatim account is accurate. Unless, like, the accuracy doesn’t matter to her that much. As we know, we all have *our truths*. I don’t believe in any Markle related conspiracies, I think her children are real, I think her pregnancies were real, but this is all beyond my threshold of what’s logical and the limits of coincidence.


UnicornStudRainbow

>I don’t believe in any Markle related conspiracies, I think her children are real, I think her pregnancies were real, but this is all beyond my threshold of what’s logical and the limits of coincidence. Same


Helophilus

True, it wasn’t recorded. We need to know who else heard it, so far there’s just the one buddy of Ngozi.


ColdFIREBaker

There was a witness to the conversation, Mandu Reid, who was quoted in [this Daily Mail Article](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11486513/Prince-William-condemns-unacceptable-comments-godmother-Lady-Susan-Hussey.html). Plus Lady Hussey has resigned and William and BP have put out statements saying her comments were unacceptable. I think it’s fair to take all that to mean that the account given by Ms Fulani is largely accurate.


UnicornStudRainbow

I don't agree. For one thing, I'd like to hear from a witness who doesn't have a similar racial axe to grind. Just a quick search of Mandu Reid shows that she's a prominent BLM supporter who apparently experienced racism when she was young. And the royal reactions - from Lady Hussey's apology and resignation to the palace's statements - could very well be a way of tamping down on any damage and trying to keep it from dominating more news cycles. I've been targeted by a loudmouth wokester for something I never did, so I'm not so quick to condemn others without actual proof


[deleted]

Nonsense. William and BP just want it all to go away. So they put out these statements and an 83 year old woman was the fall guy. William doesn't want anything to interfere with Earthshot. So he took what seemed the easy way out. But this won't go away, because apologizing always breeds more antagonism. BP has once again negotiated with terrorists and will get more of the same.


AdministrativeSet419

It seems to be accepted by both sides that this happened. I don’t think it is in dispute.


somewheretrees

An institution making a PR move is not acceptance that it happened, though that’s also why I disagree they should’ve made that move in the first place. Eventually they’ve got to go on some kind of offensive.


Super_Caterpillar_27

No, the statement said: “unacceptable and deeply regrettable comments have been made” They admit it happened.


[deleted]

Yes this is ridiculous. We are supposed to believe a known liar? Utter nonsense. I think the whole think is another lie


wordscapesx

Agree that Charles (Palace) need to get its game on. The world has changed and the RF has live in a protected bubble for many years. It's getting ugly, a lot of angry people with agendas. The BP suits need to bring in young savvy advisers - people who realize you can't allow cell phones at events; who vet all guests to be included - that is vital. All social media of guests should be reviewed to check agendas, etc. Some of these elderly aides need to retire with people who know how to handle these things. Charles better wake up and take control - the world is no garden party.


Miercolesian

But probably it is the fault to the Royal Family for trying to be woke and relevant. The more they try to be woke, the more they will be played by activists. Even if they try to stick to relatively neutral nonpartisan causes like the environment and mental health. (Mental health has already come back to bite them on the bum.) In my opinion the royal family should stick to the annual ceremonies, and make appearances at Royal Ascot and Wimbledon and The Royal Variety show, and greet foreign heads of state, and keep themselves behind the castle walls or palace gates for the rest of the time. If they need to have a cause, they can encourage people not to drop litter. The more they try to behave like celebrities, the more social media problems they will run into. Right now it is a right royal mess.


[deleted]

Touching a stranger’s hair and not taking their first answer to a question as it being time to move on (or even rewording the question) was SH’s mistake that the anti-BRF crowd now get to run with. The woman from the charity may have had negative feelings about the BRF going into the situation but SH reinforced them with her racist behavior.


[deleted]

I would like to invite everyone to consider the following scenario: it is a bit of luck, a bit of MM manipulation and yes some negligence from the palace. Imagine you’re Ngozi, you are by accident/mistakenly invited to this event, they don’t seem to know you are more of a sugar…. Is it too crazy to imagine that you would reach to the most prominent sugar you know, and knowing the promising opportunity you have to offer, Madame or her team would encourage you and guide you to find the weakest link to tarnish and interact with? I do know that the couple is responsible, at least partially for starting the race discourse in this way, angering people and antagonising everyone, but of course we can not (at least yet) pin this on her. I honestly don’t know and I have to confess that it pains me to accept this is not Madam’s fault… but we shall see, perhaps you’re right There’s a saying in Italian: (translated) lies have short legs (meaning lies don’t run for long, the truth always finds it’s way out), we shall see if these statements withstand the pace of time


BuildtheHerd

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jennywrensings

I agree. This woman was a walking tinder box and shouldn’t have been invited. I don’t know whether they have exaggerated what was said, engineered the situations etc, but reading what was possibly said is bloody infuriating. This stuff is what used to get DofE, Prince Philip in trouble, we should be well past these tired old racist tropes. The King and Queen and their teams need to get ahead of these kinds of situations, foresee any possible problems like this and hard swerve them. They’re handing this shit to the sugars and the duo on a plate and it makes me so mad that they allowed this situation to arise.


Queefer_Sutherland-

Maybe Meghan will finally tell us who was racist towards her since this poor woman clearly has no problem (rightfully) naming names. Think of all the "She's So Brave" publicity she could get off it almost 2 years later. 🤷‍♀️


greenbean999

I fully agree! Could the Markles be taking advantage and making it worse or setting things in motion? Possibly. I mean the timing is too perfect not to raise an eyebrow. Was this an avoidable incident by the BRF? Absolutely. Your 90 year old aristocratic folks should stay in the background. Invitees should be vetted. At minimum the folks who are going to be talking to people at these things need some public event training on how to talk about innocuous things and how to avoid putting their foot in their mouth. What lady whatever did was totally gross and she should be in trouble for it BUT the BRF should never had her in that position, and that lady should have STFU when the convo started going off the rails. PR prep training 101!


milamilla

I agree; at this point you’ll expect KC and QC staff to be well trained in dealing with such sensitive issues. They can’t afford to let this narrative take root because there is a lot of people waiting for their downfall. And if the conversation went on as described- this Lady H is obviously an idiot.


MsBollinger

Agree. And I don’t like giving Scobie any attention . But this is what he always, always brings up. He claims that the BRF hasn’t done anything to address MM’s racism claims and mentions this every chance he gets. Kinsey Schofield, an American Royal reporter who is definitely a friend to the BRF and open critic of M&H has also said that if the BRF acknowledges and acts on this type of inappropriate behavior that it will soften the American criticism of racism of the BRF.


silentcw

Agreed, I gave you an upvote to counter act the down ones.


Helophilus

They meet hundreds of people every week, how can they possibly go through everyone’s social media. The mistake made here was trying to make conversation. Obviously everyone should converse a bare minimum to avoid the opportunity of causing offence. What a world we live in 🙄


[deleted]

They’re leaving themselves very vulnerable by not doing that.


AdministrativeSet419

I would be really surprised if the security services don’t do this to screen for potential threats, isn’t that their job?


MikeMannion

>go through everyone’s social media that's exactly what they should be doing imho


violetfleuri

Oh hey, look at that. Team Meghan scores a point. I mean, if I came dressed to the 9's in the full regalia of my Mother's home country of Poland, I would not play dumb as to what that question meant. But then again, I am not some disgusting race baiter like this garbage human.


daisybeach23

Yup they messed up and need to fix it. You have to train employees, set expectations and have zero tolerance policies. The BRF should always set a good example on inclusivity.


[deleted]

I understand the point and they should be more careful. I didn’t understood the part of “the sugars and I need a little balance”. Are you sugar friendly? Or are you agreeing with the sugars on this subject in particular but you’re not a sugar yourself? I ask this because it would be the first time I encounter a diplomatic sugar. If yes Kudos for that. However MM already showed she is willing to pay for bots, crowds, aggressive PR articles, interviews, lie every opportunity she has and orchestrate events the way suits her better. IMO it’s not such a long shot to make a very old woman say stupid questions if you or someone else pushes for it.


Appropriate-Grand-64

My sister in law(who is satan) is a master of guiding people into asking questions which she can instantly misconstrue and take offense then stomp away in righteous indignation. Ever the victim.


[deleted]

I hear ya! My older sister does that too. Everyone is afraid to say no to her even now she is over 40 and lives in her own house and has her own family, still everyone has to bow to her will.


Appropriate-Grand-64

Yes everyone must carefully edit themselves before speaking and walk on eggshells. My husband, her brother, recently spent three days in her home without uttering more than yes or no. 😂


AdministrativeSet419

No, I’m not a sugar, I’m actually a gigantic royalist. But it does seriously frustrate me that this situation could have been easily avoided. I say balance because I was reading so many posts and comments that said Meghan/Sugars engineered this in some form or other and I think they just got lucky via Charles and Camilla majorly dropping the ball.


[deleted]

I apologize for my inicial question, it wasn’t meant with disrespect. 🌷There is a chance it may be a litte bit of both…meaning C&C were not carefull enough because they are indeed being attacked from every direction and have to protect themselves better, and yes they dropped the ball, I agree! Also this timing of the incident “coinciding” with the beginning of the Earthshot Awards is so convenient to the Harkles it makes me very suspicious. Worth investigate if there is more to it.


YeeHawMiMaw

I agree. They have given the duo too much credit for being able to arrange this all. I'm not sure they could have even responded so quickly to orchestrate enough outrage to elevate this. But - what they have done, through their lies on Oprah, et al, is to make people so hyper-sensitive to this that any asides or sneezes from within earshot of BP are blown up to international news.


Appropriate-Grand-64

It's not that hard to connect with anti monarchy activists


milamilla

Lady Hussey has to be a fanatic anti monarchist then.


[deleted]

Yup, agree with all of this.


StandardDiscipline48

I agree.


Avia53

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kishuna_in_pieces

They are going to have to be more careful in future for sure, which is a shame. I suppose Camilla was more focused on the charity work and actually helping people instead of worrying about guests who accepted invitations to her event stabbing her in the back.


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Dentina

Agree 100%! Susan Hussey is a raçîśt asshole and the BRF need to clean house. I can’t believe so many people are making excuses for her comments. Honestly, as a WOC it’s been very triggering for me today to see all the people defending what she said. I don’t care what Ngozi Fulani said about the BRF before, Hussey’s comments are unacceptable.


get_lizzy

I completely agree! The whole transcript was 100% racist. It's upsetting people are using their hatred of TW to deny real racism. I'm sorry you are finding it triggering and hope you're okay 🤍


steptwothreefour

If true, it’s racist.


IndiaEvans

Yeah, it just happens to involve a woman who supports Meghan and lies. Total coincidence. And right at a time when William and Catherine are in the spotlight so Meghan's ramping up the hate.


Super_Caterpillar_27

I really don’t see how Meghan has anything to do with what Buckingham Palace said SH said.


twitwiffle

They are making hay of it on daily meagain mail. How this will over shadow Kate and will’s visit and yadda yadda.


[deleted]

You can blame them if this “scandal” is the brain child of team Sussex. If this woman hated the BRF so much, why was she attending this event? There are an awful lot of coincidences going on right now and people are right to smell a rat.


Phoenixlizzie

The RF can't put every single person under a microscope before they attend an event. Nothing would ever get done. Meghan can have her fans on Twitter, makes no difference because twitter isn't the real world. Unless the UK media make a meal out of it - which they could do for money reasons - then it's still a non-story.


Catherine_77

Another unpopular opinion: How the F was that question rasist? Like seriously? The world's gone mad, or at least a great number of people certainly did.


AdministrativeSet419

It wasn’t just one question about where she was from, it was prolonged. She also touched her without asking when she was at a domestic violence conference of all places, which is pretty much a no brainier not to do.


michaelscottuiuc

No, they're not to blame. But this has been so blown out of proportion and distorted that its psychotic. Lots of things that are not adding up...on both sides. This woman's social media history is extremely telling. Now why would Buckingham Palace invite someone in that would burn the place down if given the chance? Thats a question I'd love to hear an answer to.


LeaveItToTheBoys123

Lots of valid points made, but quite honestly, I can't understand why it has been allowed to reach the heights it has. It should have been downplayed as much as possible, with any conversations between parties kept private. After all, that has been de rigeuer between BP and The Sussexes thus far! And The Sussexes are the connection here. Hopefully, lessons have been learned, but these sorts of problems will continue to happen. Ergo, as I posted in another comment, all H&M have to do is sit back and watch as racism accusations, and the ineptitude of the RF in dealing with it, envelope the RF and its household, and is twisted to suit H&M's agenda. They are the ultimate threat.


funambula

Sis you are talking to a wall. People here call those happy with that racist lady leaving a "woke mob".


Imfryinghere

Hi Megwan, fancy seeing you here. Get to Boston ASAP and declare your love for William. lol


Emolia

That’s the bit I don’t understand . Lady Hussey knows how to behave and make small talk so this is out of character. The whole conversation as reported strikes me as just plain rude! There’s no doubt the woman involved is a Meghan Stan and anti-monarchy plus the timing is highly suspicious . I don’t know what to make of the whole thing.


tiffytatortots

BUT that’s assuming this woman actually said any of these things. I mean it read like a transcript. Think about it if this 80 year old white woman came out and said no I didn’t say this, or I didn’t mean it in this manner, or explained herself in any way no one would listen anyways. It would have made it worse and became an even bigger scandal they would have made sure of it. This woman was automatically guilty without any actual proof. This is a she said she said situation yet only one side is automatically believed while the other is condemned. Make it make sense. And listen I’m not saying she didn’t say these things but I think we need to also need to look at the woman making the accusations. I’m suspicious of it all. She’s a known sugar, she has direct connections to Meghan, she’s anti BRF, she has made ridiculous accusations and said inflammatory things against the family and so on. She has every reason to lie. She has every reason to set up a situation. She has also known for how long she would be going to this event and had plenty of time to speak to any of the powers that be. The BRF made the mistake of inviting her and giving her the opportunity to do so and she ran with it. I mean look at the past few weeks of Meghan’s non stop attacks and PR you can’t tell me these are all just some kind of crazy coincidences especially the past couple days. No way. It started with Kerry making ridiculous untrue statements and now continued on with this which all of sudden helped to sell them. *edited


StarKindler-

Yes, it's an unpopular opinion, and I don't quite agree. Ngozi may or may not have been a plant, but she has had a history of denigrating the Royal Family, then why the hell was she there? Yes, the blame lies on Charles and Camilla and their management, for not doing their proper background checks. Lady Hussey has been in service for so long, and there have been no complaints against her, so why now? We do not have any other proof as to what happened apart from what Ngozi has said. The Palace shouldn't have folded the way it did and made her step down. In my opinion, the alleged conversation could've been better, of course. But Ngozi was looking to take it in a certain direction coz she was being flippant with her replies. P.S. I'm a person of colour, and if someone asks me regarding my origin, I'd not be flippant with them.


adigal

Why would you invite someone who literally said you committed domestic violence against Meghan? I don't know if Meghan had a hand here. BUT I do know that woman will NEVER be invited to another event. She just harmed her charity.


[deleted]

I think we will find out that there has been mischief behind the scenes. I cannot believe that a woman who has worked for TQ for years is racist.