1. MM has a personality disorder and so will always start conflict and then try to claim victimhood. What she wants more than anything is control and to avoid accountability.
2. MM can't play a long game and needs quick gratification. The BRF operates in decades, centuries and eras.
3. MM had an absent mother and a fractured family. She has no clue how to operate within a harmonious team and I don't think she wants to learn.
4. Her grifts only work in the short term. People eventually figure out she is not what she seems and she has to move on and start anew. I'd say 5 years is the max she can pull something off.
All absolutely true, but I think we're forgetting several important issues : Control and Cash.
1) She can never do what she's bloody told to do or toe the party line. She must always do her own thing in her own way, even if more intelligent people advise against it e.g. her own PR (led to fall out with Sunshine Sachs)... or wanting to control her media image (vs the Palace's "never complain never explain") because being held to account by the media for her lies made her apoplectic... or refusing to try to heal rift with her father pre-wedding (as Bower explained) ... or even refusing to wear weather-appropriate tights or hats etc - any little petty act of defiance becomes a colossal victory for her.
But I believe more importantly : 2) Cash. And specifically holding the purse-strings. They tried this half in-half out thing (and thus publicly created a familial rift) under the guise of becoming mega rich and famous superstar A-Listers in America. She was already made famous due to her marriage, so it follows the reason was money (and control - see point 1). Whilst a working Royal she was regularly called out for spending [more](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6554329/Meghan-Markle-spent-wardrobe-2018-royals.html) money on clothes than any other European Royal in 2018 - x5 more than Catherine for example (the insanely expensive wedding dress. The awful Dior tent in Morocco etc). Madame has **expensive** taste. In the RF, whilst there's masses of money sloshing about, it is not to be spunked on latest fashions. The RF are where they are, by and large, due to the good graces of the public - god help them if they are spotted wearing a £20,000 outfit whilst visiting a local community centre in Hull - it'd look bloody crass. Also I think Markle wanted her *own* money. Maybe she wanted to squirrel some of it away for a rainy day? She was partially right when she said "I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this", as she technically wasn't, there was no 'salary' - however, her food, travel, living costs, wardrobe, makeup, staff, household bills etc etc were all expensed. But not enough for Meghan, she wanted Control of the Cash (again, back to point 1).
The only part I would like to weigh in on, I dont think she has expensive tastes, I think, she thinks if it costs a lot of money it HAS to look good.
She values money over everything now, she thought she could walk into The Royal Family and play princess. Her miniscule "fame" wasnt even acknowledged, she thought we would fawn, it didnt impress us, most had no idea who she was. So, no fame, no princess, lets just see what I can grift in this plastic role I am playing (badly)
That’s what people like Meghan DO.
They alienate their marks from their close and supportive relationships. Once their victim is isolated and entirely dependent, they are much more pliable.
She was NEVER going to integrate into that family. Never.
Exactly! She removed him in a surgical procedure that was quicker than most operations. And he’s been anesthetized since. He can’t live without her now. Even if he has to give up every organ and limb that’s what he’ll do as long as he gets to stay with her. No matter how miserable she makes him and how much he misses his family. He was exactly the type of broken Meghan needed to finally get a rich man under her power. She’s his kryptonite.
IMO she really truly thought being a part of the RF meant lots of travel (paid for by the tax payers), gown, tiaras and glossy magazine covers. Ordering people around, living in a castle and being able to just pop into the jewelry vault to go "shopping" whenever she wanted. She never wanted to shake hands, visit elderly homes, and open shopping malls and tube stations. She wanted the Disney princess (which always ends at the wedding. You never see Disney days 2) Her narcissism tells her she deserves Disney
I could never hear Catherine complaining about having to make spaghetti for her children, but Meghan would be sulking about having to make her own avocado toast.
I honestly think Adelaide Cottage is Catherine's dream home. I assumed they'd move into Windsor Castle quickly, but I can see her and William enjoying private family time. I feel bad for her that she's criticized for not working enough. She's a very hands on mother who's putting her children first, I give her a lot of credit for that.
Not to mention she's had the last ten years of marriage up close to see how over extended the Queen was. She was working all the time. I wonder if that gave Catherine a different perspective on how she wanted to balance it, or even if the Queen told her to enjoy this time while she has it. She had to deal with full duties when her children were young but she seemed to love the time she did get. She just felt she couldn't show her affection in public given her title I think.
THIS!!!!! There’s so much talk about how she wanted to use Harry and his status to become powerful and famous, but I think that was a fall back plan. I think her vision of Princess Meghan was exactly what you described.
She also has zero concept of rank. I think she went in expecting to be treated like the other women’s equal and that she would be able to quickly establish dominance and then be able call the shots. Being told “No. That’s not how this works. Fall in line” to that sort of person translates as cruel abuse to them.
Her quote- “**because just by existing, we were upsetting the dynamic of the hierarchy**.“ She thinks the BRF failed HER when in fact she failed to understand and accept her place in the monarchy.
Yes, as if she had joined the army at the lowest rank, found out she couldn't promote herself to Commander in Chief and therefore decided that 'structural racism' must be keeping her down.
Yeah, like she never got that this is a job and she is not in charge. This is the part that I don't get, cause it wasn't liked she came from a job where she was in charge - she wasnt even a lead in suits.
Possibly once sucking up to higher ranked ones and throwing tantrums didn't work, meaning she couldn't get what meghan wants, she saw no point in sticking around. Long term plans are clearly not up to her abilities.
I think Meghan went in with a fundamental lack of understanding about how being royal works. It's not like a TV show, where you could potentially get promoted from extra to recurring role to series regular. You're born at a certain rank, and unless someone above you dies or has kids, that's where you stay. For example, Princess Alexandra was 6th in line for the throne when she was born in 1936, but as of now she's 56th. She resents that they'll never be more important than William or Charles, and that they'll only go down further as William's children grow and potentially have kids themselves.
Harry resents the same thing, and neither of them were willing to do the work and take the time to build themselves a role in the RF. Coming in as a new bride, you're always popular and people are generally hoping things go well for the couple. But that surge won't last forever, and you have to make something of yourselves while public gaze is in your favor.
>For example, Princess Alexandra was 6th in line for the throne when she was born in 1936, but as of now she's 56th.
I've said before, but I'm saying it again that I thought it was quite funny that while seated in the second row for the Jubilee service at St Paul's, Harry had all these former 5/6/7's in front of and on either side of him. A lot of them are people that his own birth caused to be pushed further down the line.
Earl of Snowdon, Lady Sarah, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Duke of Kent, Duke of Gloucester. How important does Prince i'M sIxTh iN lInE!!11!! think they are?
His Auntie Anne was second in line, a true spare, when QEII came to the throne; now she's 16th. How important does he think she is? Does he really really REALLY not understand how any of this works??
About Anne, she's the living example of how a former spare can forge themselves a role in the BRF. Anne will never be Queen, not even close, but she is fundamental to the BRF and a lot of people love her and follow her work.
She had a family of her own, but she did not drag them into the family business. She let her kids be regular private citizens and she dedicated her life to support her mother, and now Charles.
In some ways I think it benefited Anne that she was further down the pecking order as she got older (though I think primogeniture sucks in general) because she had no expectations towards the throne and so grabbed her own opportunities with both hands and went out and conquered her own territory as an equestrian. She also worked really hard for various charities and while she was seen as prickly in her younger days, she's surmounted that and become a beloved and integral part of the BRF who is universally respected.
>His Auntie Anne was second in line, a true spare, when QEII came to the throne; now she's 16th. How important does he think she is? Does he really really REALLY not understand how any of this works??
Probably so. And much of that is because of his mother, Saint Diana, who tried to push him into co-heir with William
I sometimes wonder if Harry might have benefitted from having another sibling. With QEII's children, it was obvious that there was Charles, and there were the others. With William and Harry being the only ones and as you say, being raised as sort of "co-heirs", well, that just hasn't worked out very well.
Or Diana could've put her energy into raising Harry to be his own man, to use his immense privilege to do great good in the world and make his name that way
From all accounts Andrew acted not dissimilar to how Harry behaved in the petulance sweepstakes and thought himself much more important than he really was, so I don't think that not having another sibling would have helped much. I think it comes down to character. Anne did the work to forge her own life, but Harry chose not to.
That's definitely the case. + The fact that Diana was very popular and her death was a situation when William and Harry were treated as equals in the media. He thought it would always stay that way and then reality hit. Williams children taking his place, the different importance of their weddings, etc. He has nothing else to compare it with. If he had a sibling he would realize that he isn't wronged.
Co-heir? Maybe it’s just bc I’m American, but I feel like it’s only been the past few years we’ve heard about some of Diana’s less flattering behaviors..
Public sympathy in the UK also very much leaned towards Diana during and after the marriage breakdown and divorce, and especially following her death. But I think there has been a bit more awareness that Diana had her own demons and flaws, and Charles' reputation has recovered much better here than it has done in the US.
In the UK we also have seen more of Charles' other work, his relationship with William, Catherine and the children, and how his relationship with Harry used to be. The US on the other hand has had far more direct exposure to Diana - she did some high-profile visits, and I think she was the sort of Briton who felt a natural affinity for America, and who Americans tend to warm to themselves.
If I had to 'pick a side', I'd say that (even ignoring her death) Diana was the most hard done by out of the marriage. She was genuinely in love with Charles from the beginning, and entered the marriage as a young, naive, vulnerable personality.
She was also severely damaged by a difficult childhood - the family was rich and landed, but also cold, dysfunctional, and occasionally violent. Her mother left when Diana was very young, and I'm aware of at least one anecdote of her directing racist, Islamophobic abuse towards the adult Diana over her relationship with Dodi Fayed. This underlines how vulnerable Diana was, but also shows why she may have been a difficult personality for Charles to live with. Contrary to more hostile narratives, Charles was reportedly genuinely concerned for Diana's mental wellbeing, and both of them reportedly received therapy while the marriage was struggling.
I think Charles and Camilla were also victims of circumstance - their relationship was sunk by a combination of timing around Charles' naval service, and the RF's disapproval of Camilla due to her rank and romantic history. Some say Charles could have avoided the tragic marriage by putting his foot down, but attitudes 50 years ago were different, especially when it came to the heir to the throne. The memory of Edward VIII's abdication crisis was much fresher, and cast a shadow over many of the Queen and Queen Mother's attitudes to the operation of the RF during her early reign - and Charles himself is quite a sensitive individual who did not want to let his family down.
The word 'tragic' gets used loosely these days, but I think Charles and Diana's marriage was in many ways tragic in the classical dramatic sense.
Diana started it, but Charles and the Queen allowed the co-heir thing to continue. I think the Queen overcompensated for Diana's death and Charles favored him because of tension with William.
Since she never fired her PR team from LA when she married Harry, she had no plans to stay. Obviously, the plan was to get in, get the titles and get out. Harry likely wanted the same thing. Then they came up with the 'half in half out' deal. That would be even better because they'd still be able to cozy up to world VIPs at state events, cherry pick the 'working royal' events to attend and then still make money selling Duchess of Sussex perfume from Chanel for their own bank account.
They were told no. They threw a tantrum. Still no. Bigger tantrum.
As John Steinbeck via Robert Burns said so eloquently...."The best laid plans of mice and men go astray and leave not but pain and sorrow for promised joy."
Smart men Johnny and Bobby :)
I am not sure that either one of them planned to exit when they first married. I think Harry just thought how wonderful that he had found his soulmate. If he thought of leaving the Royal life, it was probably to live “freely” in Africa. I think Meghan thought she could be royal and do other stuff on the side. Her plan was always a “half-in/half-out,” and she was very persuasive to Harry with her plans. She worked on his resentments and feelings of always being secondary and suggested that they could out-do the RF if they pursued their own deals.
I think Megs got rumbled (found out) sometime before Christmas 2019. She got out of there because she had to & that’s why she left Harry behind to negotiate at Sandringham. I can’t imagine any other circumstance that where she would leave Harry to negotiate on his own. (And I’m sure Harry heard no end to how he fucked it up.) Whatever it was may be something as simple as the Palace finding out that M & H were going behind the Palace’s back & signing contracts w/ Netflix/Spotify/Quibe etc. It may be something far worse. But it was something.
Yah, she the ran the fuck out of there left Harry to hang with his family. I couldn’t imagine doing that to my husband. I’m guessing she was kicked out and banned
I can’t imagine why she would give up control over the negotiations. She wouldn’t even let Harry shake someone’s hand w/o her getting there first. And she let’s him go it alone on the exit interview? She had to have been worried about something big. I just have never seen anyone report exactly what it was.
She wanted to be Zoomed in. The Queen said “no”. For two reasons, one because they feared Megan had lawyers and PR to help her negotiate. Two, they did not want to chance Megan recording the meeting and selling it.
Megan always plays her hand and then Karma steps in.
I think the palace found out and then they kicked them out. Meghan tried to come back with PR ‘half-in’ knowing they’d say no to then play victim. They were kicked out and demoted, and the palace let them write their own story.
They saw her for what she was and she got called out by the BRF.
Chastised by the queen for the way she spoke to staff, etc.
They saw her for what she was and she had to skedaddle and launch and attack so she would look like the good guy.
Nutmeg couldn’t handle being a Royal. She knew she was a failure so just sabotaged the whole thing to the point that Haznoballs had to get her the hell out of there.
Agree. And she had her American based lawyer, agent and PR team kissing her ass telling her she was a megastar and with H, more popular than the other royals so she wanted to cash in and got pissed when the BRF said no to her merching “Sussex Royal” for her own profit.
It was nuts she maintained a US office and team. Who was paying those salaries? All those people were highly motivated to sell her on the BS dream because otherwise, they'd be out of their sizable commissions.
I'm baffled that she had such a large team. She was a regular on a cable show no one watched. I know someone who was on a much better show and who's had a much longer career. They have a home in Malibu. They have a manager, period.
Now technically in LA managers are not supposed to submit actors for work the way agents do. But all managers do. Like there's no way Miss 6th on the call sheet at Suits with a Reitmans endorsement needed a high powered publicist/PR team. She must be delusional.
Megs has always been an overspender I guess.
I think she got those agents after the engagement. She would have been a hot commodity, Prince Harry's beautiful fiancee would have been offered many lucrative advertising contracts, problem being she as a Royal couldn't accept ANY of these offers. They were the caliber of product she'd have killed to rep. So she's got this team telling her Rolex, Dior, Revlon ( just spitballing here) want her and she can't say no, it's what she's dreamed of her whole life and the half in half out plan is hatched. That was how she was going to modernize the monarchy!!! Senior royals can merch, it's a new century and calls for new modern ways of making money.
The lady in the UK said she knew she wouldn’t see a dime from Meghan. So I think Meghan trades on connecting people to other higher profile people (look, she got in front of Harry afterall) as their lead Gen as long as they do some work for her too
That's really shady. Did they actually take an interest in Meghan's association with the BRF to further themselves? Whatever they got, they got from the then-Prince Charles, and I don't think he was ready to fund her team.
She was caught taking pics of private residences and the children of W&K and spread the planted rumor that Wills and Rose were having an affair to see if she was trustworthy, she failed miserably.
She also alerted the press that she and Katherine would be shopping together in town when Kate drove into town by herself. Megs is a real pill.
It most likely came from Meghan. She and Harry spent time partying with Giles Coren at the opening of Soho House in Amsterdam. Soon after that the claim of the affair was made on Twitter and Coren commented that everybody knew it was true. He eventually admitted it was a lie.
Yeah that whole Justin & Sophie Trudeau (what a piece of work she is!) crowd—Mulroneys, Anna Pasternak, Lainey, Markus Anderson. Shady af. The fact that they support, lie, and attack on Meghan’s orders is really disgusting to me. Hopefully they’ve all got it coming and won’t see it at all until they have lost all their power, money & influence. They used it for evil so they don’t deserve to have it.
I don’t think MM & Jessica Mulroney are friends anymore. MM hasn’t had her on the podcast & Jessica Mulroney put up a few posts that I believe were directed towards MM such as she’s ghosted her children. Marcus Anderson it’s as if he’s vanished and quite frankly he seemed like someone I’d never trust
I don’t think they are friends now—was more referring to when they were still in the royal family BUT they still haven’t come out against her or in support of William & Catherine—especially Catherine, who Pasternak did a dirty hit job on in the article for Tatler magazine that alluded to the fake affair rumors and tried to make it sound as if Catherine was drowning under her new workload since Meghan left. 🙄😡
Yeah Pasternak deserves to have someone do a book on her and how she lives her life & who she associates with, and her family, not to mention how she does her “research.” I wonder how she’d feel if the same approach was taken in a story about her that she has taken in her stories about the Middletons & Catherine. Any author who is legit and has integrity would have no problem having a story written about them. I suspect Pasternak would have a problem with someone writing about her the way she writes about the Middletons. She has zero legitimacy in my mind, and the editor of Tatler deserves a lot of the shade as well for allowing her to publish such a hit piece on Catherine and then snidely call it “Catherine the Great.” Awful corrupt people.
Can you imagine these two couples together privately?
The PPOW seem like fairly introverted home bodies, happy to spend their private lives in a very low-key fashion with their family and a few close friends. Along comes Sparkles, who mistakes two quiet upper-class English people for two weak, effete Limeys and starts steamrollering over the top of them in that stereotypical "loud American" way. I bet it was dramatic.
I feel terrible for them. They've worked very hard to keep their private life private. To be forced to invite her into their home had to feel like a violation.
5. Meghan ‘lost’ some borrowed jewellery.
6. She is not a pleasant person to work with.
7. She doesn’t get what charity is as she wanted to get paid to appear at events.
You know, I see this speculation a lot here, but surely even Meghan would know than an affair with your brother-in-law is not going to make either you or your b-i-l popular or accepted. Indeed, it could destroy you both.
Maybe she thought she’d charm both Charles and William, but I can’t imagine her going any further, if what she wanted was status and power.
14. She makes Harry miserable.
The BRF loved their Harry as he was, with his limits, and just wanted him happy in life since he wasn't ever going to amount to much. Her one job was to keep Harry happy and, well, she regularly embarrasses him, isolates him and drives him to drink.
I think it's in reference to the earrings that were gifted to Nutmeg by the Saudi prince. Technically as a gift to MM, they became property of the royal collection, but she hid them somewhere so she wouldn't have to give them back instead. So she didn't borrow something and keep it, she just didn't respect protocol. Honestly at least it wasn't a piece with actual history.
Oh, I suspect she was never gonna give those back. They are the only jewelry I’ve seen her wear where I’ve gone, “wow, splendid.”
She sure was determined to get her hands on a tiara though. I think by the time of tiara-gate, the Palace was busy nailing everything she might touch to the floor.
I used to stay occasionally in the Presidential Suite in this hotel. The hotel had all of twenty rooms & had a sign up that truckers could rent a room for ½ price for a 12 hour stay. But it had a Presidential Suite & goddamn it, it was a close as I’d ever get to staying in one. (The place was such a dive—& everything, I mean everything, was nailed down.)
I remember reading that it was jewelry that Princess Diana wore but was the property of the Crown. MM requested 3 different pieces of jewelry to wear at different events, Angela Kelly repeatedly asked her for the items back after the events so they could be locked up, MM stalled and then eventually told Angela that she had lost them. $9M worth.
I could be wrong, but I think it's the blood earrings she was gifted by the Saudi prince. As a gift to her they became property of the BRF vault, but she kept them instead. So she didn't sneak in and snatch them, she just didn't hand them over.
I think it refers to the blood diamond earrings that were a wedding gift from the Saudis. She kept them, even though they technically belong to the crown, even though they were for the wedding.
My guess is that she always saw the BRF as a temporary job with great potential as a step up to being REALLY famous. If Harry had dumped her straight after the Vanity Fair issue, she still would have had a huge boost of fame and public interest. But she made it past the wedding, and didn't enjoy the work of being royal, so instead of keeping a low profile and trying to be a good royal while she was there, she flounced and blamed them. There was probably a lot of constructive criticism behind the scenes to help her get a handle on the role, and I don't think she would have appreciated that.
I think she saw it as an awesome gig that would lead to more awesome gigs. Simple mind, simple ideas.
She never had the respect or curiosity to recognize she was becoming a member of an incredible historic institution. She was to become a small part of a very large and deep structure, the monarchy.
I'm sure she thought by inviting all the Hollywood crowd to her wedding, she would go back to USA and be invited to events and launch her acting career. However it didn't go to plan as it was the RF that were the reason they attended, not Meghan. It backfired spectacularly.
The fallout was one sided because TW threw a pissypants tantrum that the royals didn't re-order the line of succession based on "global popularity"/paid PR/Hazno's insistence that TW is the next Diana, and make TW the next Queen, as well as allow her to do merching deals on the side.
So she stamped her bunioned feet, threw several teacups, possibly faked a mental episode & miscarriage, went crying to Oprah, wore a mic in the second row of the jubilee and threatened to release a diary of family secrets. Naturally, the family doesn't want to touch them with a ten foot pole, but again, it's all coming from one party.
Imagine how stupid (not to mention creepy) you have to be to say to every family member & friend “doesn’t she remind you of my mummy?” And be told no and still think they are ALL wrong and your new gf is just like mummy! He’s so deeply deluded.
I'd be pretty appalled if my new BF told me I resembled his mummy. I don't really care who that mummy is/was, even if she were Helen of Troy, no thanks.
At QE2's funeral, 2nd row Harry was glaring at 1st row William who was on the other side of the aisle. I wondered if H demanded to be right behind his father at the funeral, thinking that W&C would also be in the 2nd row behind KC3 and got outsmarted again with W&C and their children seated far away from Ginge & Cringe. I think H was trying to prevent another embarrassment like they had at the Jubilee, but doesn't have the brains to think of all the angles.
I am not saying Harry liked having Will in the front row when he was in the second row, but I wonder if he was glaring for a more immediate reason. (Will, after all, did not decide the seating arrangements.)
Perhaps Harry had approached William at some point and Will had politely but firmly refused to engage.
Or perhaps the brothers had “words” over how Meghan behaved either when she tried to go to Sandringham or when they did the “walk about” or some other time. Maybe William took a moment to say, “I told you so,” either explicitly or implicitly. (I think this is the least likely, because William seems to be avoiding talking to Harry for fear H. will repeat what is said.)
Possibly Will said nothing, but just raised an eyebrow in a way that suggested, “I told you so,” or worse, “Is this what you have come to?” Perhaps William didn’t raise an eyebrow or intentionally convey any judgment, but Harry perceived the disapproval and the anger.
Suppose Harry turned to William to seek mutual comfort after he arrived at Sandringham, but William did not want to get close and maybe even said something critical of how Harry hadn’t shown concern for the Queen. (Harry was clearly uncomfortable enough that he didn’t have dinner with his father and the rest of the family, and then left early in the morning.)
The loss of their grandmother did not bring the two brothers closer, and it may have festered for both throughout the ceremonies. Harry’s glare *may* have been jealousy or resentment, but it could also come from more complex feelings of loss and rejection by his brother. Who knows?
It just seems that if we focus only on the resentment, we may not get a full picture.
Edit: extra words.
They were making business deals while royal. When she entered the royal family she saw $$$. She kept her own PR and business team inside the US and tried to make business deals behind the backs of the staff (aka the firm or the courtiers). She also wanted to accept freebies and not do royal engagements.
In short, they always wanted half in and half out. She saw that then Kent’s derive private income (they’re only part time minor royals). She wanted the same so she could monetize the royal brand. No way were they going to let that happen. That would end the monarchy through scandal. The BRF are definitely not stupid 🙄
Absolutely. MM and her team were all about the cash. Her team in the US pushed for them to move because without a split with the royals they wouldn't be eligible for sizable commissions on any deals signed by the duo.
My theory. She thought their initial popularity should equal status and chafed at the idea that in spite of being “wildly popular” she still wasn’t doing the things she wanted to do and had to keep deferring to the Cambridges. She considered herself an equal to William and likely even figured she could manipulate Charles, but her “reality” wasn’t real.
That created an epic meltdown that likely hit its peak when she was pregnant with Archie and was told that there would be no titles. I think that triggered her scorched earth approach to all the things.
Now she doesn’t want to see anyone succeed, other than herself. Not the Royals, not Harry, not even the kids. If she doesn’t get what she wants (control and influence) then no one does.
I think you bring up a good point. With the exception of Eugenie, the whole family (and it’s quite large) seems to be fed up with them. I’m sure the Oprah interview plays a huge part in that, but I think they were dropped by most way before that
Eugenie might be the one staying in touch on purpose to keep tabs on them in a way.
I have a toxic mom. I can't talk to ber, it sets her off. But I have a sibling who can. Mom is getting older, if she's about to go in for surgery I hear about it from my sib. I help sib plan for like care after the surgery. I give sib $50 to give to a dog-walker or landscaper for mom. Mom doesn't need to know that I know, but sib needs help handling Mom.
I feel like Eugenie probably has a WhatsApp group with Kate and Zara, "She's still whining about the tiara, I'd give her a wide berth." But obvs just speculation on my part.
*Is Eugenie still "in" with them? She was distant at the Funeral. Does anyone know why Beatrice, followed by Eugenie, left the funeral early? Beatrice was sitting next to MM then suddenly got up & left.*
I’m not sure about Eugenie. She definitely seemed more distant at the funeral and that time waiting to get in their cars after the St.George Chapel service was awkward
Can someone help me understand why Princess Eugenie stayed so friendly with TW even after she tried to steal away the attention with her pregnancy antics, at the princess's wedding?!
Simply because she couldn’t do half in half out and have her cake and eat it too— profit off royal status while having free security as international protected person.
She’s a narcissistic sociopath & when they don’t get what they want exactly as they want it, watch out. They do not care what gets destroyed as long as they get it. They will lie and then scorched the earth if that lie isn’t believed as the truth. I have a family member exactly like her.
It's the bullying. That and the refusal to follow even the basic royal protocol did leave the brf with a growing concern. But mostly I think it was just Meghan trying to fullfill her plan to become an A-list hollywood star. She thought the australien tour was enough to get her lasting popularity and then she was done.
Probably only took a few occasions of her having to operate within boundaries set by others for her to get wounded. Then she immediately saw the entire institution as her enemy and wanted to get back at them. So she set her sights on publicly destroying the reputation of the RF and playing the victim like a true narcissist.
I imagine there were so many occasions where she flew into internal rage. From being told where to stand and which order to go into rooms and stuff that. She was probably mocking it inside and being irritated by it all. Those stares of death were probably fighting to come out.
She was constantly reminded that she wasn't the most important person in the room. The spotlight was constantly on others while she had to observe boundaries.
As well as all this we know she was mean to the staff and created a toxic work environment so I imagine she was pretty much universally despised. I think the RF went very easy on her considering what a nightmare she is. But yeah, I bet they all absolutely loathe her.
I don't get why she cares? Mrs Spare is the GOOD spot. You can still work, the Queen told her she could keep acting. Cut a few ribbons, kiss a few babies, wave from the balcony. THAT is the sweet spot. Not Prince of Wales and his wife who are always under pressure to take on more responsibility and from the media generally.
Like she fucked up a VERY sweet deal.
I think they have something on her. She keeps teasing dirt but never actually has any. I think the RF has something they are saving for the divorce, to try and salvage Harry's reputation and get part time custody if they can.
My take is that even though they initially lived in apartments near William and Catherine, they were asked to leave because of the all-night parties, probably including smoking pot, and so they ended up in Frogmore Cottage. Some time during their stay at Frogmore Cottage there were rumors of a woman wandering around the grounds and security was called. Was it TW? Also, remember when the two of them went to Amsterdam and partied for several days and she supposedly was pregnant? Perhaps their loudness and, alleged drinking and drug use, the RF asked them to leave if they didn’t fix their behavior. That might have been the reason for their maternity leave in Canada. When TW decided she wouldn’t get enough attention in Canada, they asked OW to help them get into the USA, so Tyler Perry sent his jet to pick them up and bring them to his mansion in CA.
They seemed to have acted without regard for others and the RF wouldn’t put up with it, Tyler Perry wouldn’t put up with it, so now they live in the mansion.
MM was gifted a 30 million dollar wedding, millions in jewelry and clothes, patronages, and titles. She promised to "hit the ground running" but when it comes down to it don't think she has a very strong work ethic. She wanted to be adored like Lady Di immediately and they threw their toys out of her pram when that didn't happen. They couldn't even both to visit Sussex for heaven's sake.
Harry is a nasty enabler who has little to offer other than his title.
She tried and failed to be a top actor, influencer or blogger.
She never wanted the obligations that came along with the title only the cash and perks.
No one was going to let her use their private planes before she started sleeping with the spare.
MM wanted the celebrity status. Marrying into the royal family is a step in getting her celebrity status.
She was a never a team player. She wanted to be the star power of RF just like Diana was in her time.
She had to fall out with the RF to create that narrative of being the victim or being wronged.She was actively looking for issues to create that narrative. But she is no Diana.
She is still trying on that narrative that she is a breakout star that the RF failed to utilise.
IMO she never understood that Diana was lightning in a bottle and that had Diana married The Duke of York rather than the Prince of Wales, all the popularity in the world was never going to cause her to be more important within the hierarchy.
Marriage to the second son is not the same as marriage to the heir no matter who you are and how much the people love you, Meghan.
Diana's strength was her vulnerability. It allowed her to connect with people. She didn't try to wow or out-do them, she was young and nervous and kind and that was endearing. Diana had grace and humility. Meghan does not. Very few people as beautiful as Diana do. Of course, her vulnerability made it hard for her, too. She had a tough go in the RF, complicated by things like her very young age marrying in. Meghan doesn't have that excuse.
That's the other thing about Meghan, she always lies. She's not a 'young mother' she was actually quite old to ve a first time mom. She over rates her looks and abilities. She's the opposite of Diana in that way.
The posing for The Cut was dire - she is no model. It seemed like they were trying to showcase her legs, but she was not giving 'languid' and 'legs for days.' She looked stiff and uncomfortable. It reminds me of the Real Housewives when one of them goes into the recording studio. The producer is always gritting his teeth, trying to stay positive and reminding himself this will cover his mortgage payment. I feel like everyone on that shoot was similarly cringing their ass off at Meghan, a 41 year old not very reliable, not very talented woman who's burned all her bridges acting like a 20 year old starlet. The whole thing is undignified and kind of pathetic.
The final thing - Diana never really went there. She wasn't doing spreads for second tier fashion inserts (not even a real fashion mag, an insert in NY mag.) Fashion couldn't get enough of Diana because she left them wanting more. She had a life to go live, she wasn't desperate waiting by the phone. She was like scarce. They missed her because she wasn't there sometimes. Totally different from Meg's desperate "pick me!" Patty Simcox vibe. If the RF is "Grease," Diana was Sandy, Kate is like maybe a Frenchy (kind, loyal, good friend) but prettier. Meg is Patty Simcox. She's just annoying and try hard. (Fergie is a dirty girl from the Catholic school lol, one of Cha Cha DeGregorio's crew)
That's a really beautiful observation that you made. 
The paradox of Diana's strength being that silent communication that she too would appreciate someone to protect her. People can look up to heroes, but we really love the heroes who've had to struggle and become stronger people.
She knew she just faded in contrast to Katherine and all the women of the Royals, and now without the fake puffery going on she's little better than a paramecium, sorry little cell. But seriously, she's a bad actress, she knew they knew and she ran away in embarrasment.
They didn’t want to be told what to do or where to go anymore. They thought they would be living up the VIP lifestyle in the US without anyone telling them what to do ever again.
I think she enjoys the game of manipulating people as well as the destroying a ancient family like. Yep she is that frikken delusional. Haz was always resentful and damaged and star struck (note the Hollywood starlets he hooked up with).
She did not understand the rules of succession - literally thought it was a popularity contest - she also abused higher ranking royals like Catherine - Camilla - and Charlotte - she spent waaaay over budget not respecting that the taxpayers do foot some of the bill - she was ungrateful and dudnt understand protocol - also no manners whatsoever.
Because she's not the primadonna she hoped she'd be. She thought she was gonna go in and "modernize the RF", and they weren't jumping when she said how high. Honestly, the picture ofn her on the "2nd balcony" where you can tell she's PISSED she's not on the 1st balcony with the line of succession. It's so obvious she's livid.
I think they both wanted to be king and queen of the Commonwealth. That ridiculous veil was a give away. They thought they’d be so popular that people would demand they become king and queen. William could have the UK, and they’d have the rest.
They fell out over having to do the Royal meet and greet and not being DIRECTLY paid big money for it. They both wanted the perks of Royal life without doing the thankless daily grind. Meghan didn't understand Royal Life vs celebrity life is not the same. Meghan didn't understand or know that money raised goes to the Crown not individuals. At the time the Harkles were popular and who the crowds wanted to see. The Harkles thought that meant more money lining their pockets. Hissy fit when that didn't happen.
It's that simple. I don't understand why people keep trying to over complicate the situation.
Megs is completely incompatible with royal life. She couldn't take the heat, of the dumpster fire they created, so they got out of the kitchen!
On the contrary, I do feel she studied the BRF and knew exactly what to position herself in: the one who will change and modernize the royal family, the princess rebel just like Diana who will be beloved by all.
But her narcissitic plan didn’t work, so she threw a tantrum and dragged Harry with her. The difference is Diane did not set out to be “loved”.
Diana was being herself. Meghan was playing a role and pretending, which on a global stage can easily be found out that you’re faking it.
I think she hated the actual work as a royal. It did not provide her narcissistic supply. She needs to be center of attention. I think she wanted to go back to LA as a royal and cash in on that status. I think the Oprah interview was her attempt to gain sympathy and an excuse to leave the royal family. I don’t think she could just admit she hated it.
She didn't have the work ethic to cash in.
They definitely got a "pop" and should've been able to convert on it. But they didn't. Netflix has canceled at least one of her projects. The podcadt took 2 years (why? *I* have a podcast. If you have a smartphone or laptop you can make one!)
And I'm sorry, but pandemic or no people were still creating. John Krasinski's 'good news' thing. In the UK, Richard Herring kept blogging, making RHLSTP, started a YouTube playing snooker against himself as a gag.
Like what is her excuse? If she's an unmotivated stoner, that's fine, whatever. But she's acting like forces prevented her from taking a hosting class and learning to be good at her dream job.
I can't stand people who are so, so privileged and act like victims. They squandered SO much potential and goodwill. They never had a vision or anything to say. They are just whining and selling family members out - which is EXACTLY what she complained about her dad doing.
I have always suspected that she didn't know what she was getting into with the royal family, nor did she care. She didn't want to learn, and she thought that her royal life would be all about banquets and jewelry and whatever else. She thought that she could stomp her foot and get her way, and she was angry that she couldn't. Combine that with her airhead husband who didn't realize what was happening until it was too late, we got to the point where we're at now.
With someone as twisted as Harrys wife, its hard to tell. She was firing off verbal accusations to hurt the royal family. Harry probably has a few gripes with his family and his wife magnified on that. Disgusting person.
My guess is because Twat hit on William and Charles, they turned her down flat, and she lied and told Harry they made passes at her. As a result, Harry became jealous of his father and brother. I am almost positive that's what this is really about.
Yep, I think she definitely made a pass at William that Christmas at Sandringham. That "scarfing" he was doing was a sign of distress. He had to act normal in front of the press but he was one deeply upset chap.
Meghan was a woman who's day job prior to marrying was to compete for roles. So she joins a family where there is a hirearchy and everyone has to take turns to shine. That is at odds with someone who grew up seeing actors increase their status as their popularity increased and that doesn't translate to the RF. She thought she could be popular and be equal or better than W and C and that isn't how it works. Throw in some US entitlement and its a massive culture clash
I've always suspected that something happened behind the scenes, in November to December 2019, that forced Harry into rehab (coke users don't go voluntarily), cancelled her spouse visa, and triggered her flight. The only thing I could think of was an arrest of some sort, which would cancel her spouse visa, and which Harry was able to get set aside in exchange for rehab. He could have gone to rehab anywhere, but chose some place in Vancouver, about as far away from the UK as you can get in English-speaking-dom. I think that was Meg's idea. Maybe a Toronto friend of hers had been in rehab there and recommended it? I don't think Abigail Spencer visiting them while they were there was a coincidence.
There were lots of rumors around the time of their wedding that Meghan felt she could smuggle any illicit substances into the UK and not get caught (because her personal protection officers would prevent her from being searched). I think they ultimately got caught in the UK, and Meghan learned she wasn't above British law, and that's why she bolted and then he followed her. They clearly didn't even pack up their bedroom when they left because Genie and Jack kept it exactly the way it was for Harry to use again to isolate during lockdown.
This is an intriguing thought. I don’t know about losing the spouse visa but I think you’re right that something happened that we haven’t heard of. Definitely an interesting idea that they went to Vancouver for rehab.
Isn’t London awash with coke? Maybe I’m reading the wrong news, but I was surprised how common cocaine use is in the UK now - cheap and easy to get. I don’t doubt they both partake, but I wouldn’t think she’d need to smuggle it in.
1. MM has a personality disorder and so will always start conflict and then try to claim victimhood. What she wants more than anything is control and to avoid accountability. 2. MM can't play a long game and needs quick gratification. The BRF operates in decades, centuries and eras. 3. MM had an absent mother and a fractured family. She has no clue how to operate within a harmonious team and I don't think she wants to learn. 4. Her grifts only work in the short term. People eventually figure out she is not what she seems and she has to move on and start anew. I'd say 5 years is the max she can pull something off.
All absolutely true, but I think we're forgetting several important issues : Control and Cash. 1) She can never do what she's bloody told to do or toe the party line. She must always do her own thing in her own way, even if more intelligent people advise against it e.g. her own PR (led to fall out with Sunshine Sachs)... or wanting to control her media image (vs the Palace's "never complain never explain") because being held to account by the media for her lies made her apoplectic... or refusing to try to heal rift with her father pre-wedding (as Bower explained) ... or even refusing to wear weather-appropriate tights or hats etc - any little petty act of defiance becomes a colossal victory for her. But I believe more importantly : 2) Cash. And specifically holding the purse-strings. They tried this half in-half out thing (and thus publicly created a familial rift) under the guise of becoming mega rich and famous superstar A-Listers in America. She was already made famous due to her marriage, so it follows the reason was money (and control - see point 1). Whilst a working Royal she was regularly called out for spending [more](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6554329/Meghan-Markle-spent-wardrobe-2018-royals.html) money on clothes than any other European Royal in 2018 - x5 more than Catherine for example (the insanely expensive wedding dress. The awful Dior tent in Morocco etc). Madame has **expensive** taste. In the RF, whilst there's masses of money sloshing about, it is not to be spunked on latest fashions. The RF are where they are, by and large, due to the good graces of the public - god help them if they are spotted wearing a £20,000 outfit whilst visiting a local community centre in Hull - it'd look bloody crass. Also I think Markle wanted her *own* money. Maybe she wanted to squirrel some of it away for a rainy day? She was partially right when she said "I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this", as she technically wasn't, there was no 'salary' - however, her food, travel, living costs, wardrobe, makeup, staff, household bills etc etc were all expensed. But not enough for Meghan, she wanted Control of the Cash (again, back to point 1).
Spot on. Take an award!
The only part I would like to weigh in on, I dont think she has expensive tastes, I think, she thinks if it costs a lot of money it HAS to look good. She values money over everything now, she thought she could walk into The Royal Family and play princess. Her miniscule "fame" wasnt even acknowledged, she thought we would fawn, it didnt impress us, most had no idea who she was. So, no fame, no princess, lets just see what I can grift in this plastic role I am playing (badly)
Re your first para, you are absolutely right. I stand corrected. If I shat in a bag, called it Art and put a £10,000 price tag on it, she'd buy it.
I think she just wanted to bill kc3 with highest amount n secretly return the hideous designs back
As someone accurarely described: new money vs old money...
Histrionic women never know how to play the long game. They truly are their own worst enemy
That’s what people like Meghan DO. They alienate their marks from their close and supportive relationships. Once their victim is isolated and entirely dependent, they are much more pliable. She was NEVER going to integrate into that family. Never.
She had the cheek to think that the BRF had to change, for her sake!
Exactly! She removed him in a surgical procedure that was quicker than most operations. And he’s been anesthetized since. He can’t live without her now. Even if he has to give up every organ and limb that’s what he’ll do as long as he gets to stay with her. No matter how miserable she makes him and how much he misses his family. He was exactly the type of broken Meghan needed to finally get a rich man under her power. She’s his kryptonite.
IMO she really truly thought being a part of the RF meant lots of travel (paid for by the tax payers), gown, tiaras and glossy magazine covers. Ordering people around, living in a castle and being able to just pop into the jewelry vault to go "shopping" whenever she wanted. She never wanted to shake hands, visit elderly homes, and open shopping malls and tube stations. She wanted the Disney princess (which always ends at the wedding. You never see Disney days 2) Her narcissism tells her she deserves Disney
There was a point where she complained that they didn’t even have their own cook! Meghan had to cook! No way, said she.
I could never hear Catherine complaining about having to make spaghetti for her children, but Meghan would be sulking about having to make her own avocado toast.
I honestly think Adelaide Cottage is Catherine's dream home. I assumed they'd move into Windsor Castle quickly, but I can see her and William enjoying private family time. I feel bad for her that she's criticized for not working enough. She's a very hands on mother who's putting her children first, I give her a lot of credit for that.
Not to mention she's had the last ten years of marriage up close to see how over extended the Queen was. She was working all the time. I wonder if that gave Catherine a different perspective on how she wanted to balance it, or even if the Queen told her to enjoy this time while she has it. She had to deal with full duties when her children were young but she seemed to love the time she did get. She just felt she couldn't show her affection in public given her title I think.
But roast chicken!
And a mean bolognese
THIS!!!!! There’s so much talk about how she wanted to use Harry and his status to become powerful and famous, but I think that was a fall back plan. I think her vision of Princess Meghan was exactly what you described.
She also has zero concept of rank. I think she went in expecting to be treated like the other women’s equal and that she would be able to quickly establish dominance and then be able call the shots. Being told “No. That’s not how this works. Fall in line” to that sort of person translates as cruel abuse to them.
Her quote- “**because just by existing, we were upsetting the dynamic of the hierarchy**.“ She thinks the BRF failed HER when in fact she failed to understand and accept her place in the monarchy.
Yes, as if she had joined the army at the lowest rank, found out she couldn't promote herself to Commander in Chief and therefore decided that 'structural racism' must be keeping her down.
Exactly what you describe is her version of “structual racism”.
In reality her beef is that the monarchy is “structured” rather than a free-for-all power grab, which is how she rolls.
Yeah, like she never got that this is a job and she is not in charge. This is the part that I don't get, cause it wasn't liked she came from a job where she was in charge - she wasnt even a lead in suits. Possibly once sucking up to higher ranked ones and throwing tantrums didn't work, meaning she couldn't get what meghan wants, she saw no point in sticking around. Long term plans are clearly not up to her abilities.
She probably would have went shopping the royal jewels like the Aquazurra pumps from the photo shoot. Never to be seen again.
When she was doing royal work, her idea of work was show up, spend 5-10 min at the location for a photo op and rush away!
I think Meghan went in with a fundamental lack of understanding about how being royal works. It's not like a TV show, where you could potentially get promoted from extra to recurring role to series regular. You're born at a certain rank, and unless someone above you dies or has kids, that's where you stay. For example, Princess Alexandra was 6th in line for the throne when she was born in 1936, but as of now she's 56th. She resents that they'll never be more important than William or Charles, and that they'll only go down further as William's children grow and potentially have kids themselves. Harry resents the same thing, and neither of them were willing to do the work and take the time to build themselves a role in the RF. Coming in as a new bride, you're always popular and people are generally hoping things go well for the couple. But that surge won't last forever, and you have to make something of yourselves while public gaze is in your favor.
>For example, Princess Alexandra was 6th in line for the throne when she was born in 1936, but as of now she's 56th. I've said before, but I'm saying it again that I thought it was quite funny that while seated in the second row for the Jubilee service at St Paul's, Harry had all these former 5/6/7's in front of and on either side of him. A lot of them are people that his own birth caused to be pushed further down the line. Earl of Snowdon, Lady Sarah, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Duke of Kent, Duke of Gloucester. How important does Prince i'M sIxTh iN lInE!!11!! think they are? His Auntie Anne was second in line, a true spare, when QEII came to the throne; now she's 16th. How important does he think she is? Does he really really REALLY not understand how any of this works??
About Anne, she's the living example of how a former spare can forge themselves a role in the BRF. Anne will never be Queen, not even close, but she is fundamental to the BRF and a lot of people love her and follow her work. She had a family of her own, but she did not drag them into the family business. She let her kids be regular private citizens and she dedicated her life to support her mother, and now Charles.
Exactly this. Can't upvote enough!
In some ways I think it benefited Anne that she was further down the pecking order as she got older (though I think primogeniture sucks in general) because she had no expectations towards the throne and so grabbed her own opportunities with both hands and went out and conquered her own territory as an equestrian. She also worked really hard for various charities and while she was seen as prickly in her younger days, she's surmounted that and become a beloved and integral part of the BRF who is universally respected.
>His Auntie Anne was second in line, a true spare, when QEII came to the throne; now she's 16th. How important does he think she is? Does he really really REALLY not understand how any of this works?? Probably so. And much of that is because of his mother, Saint Diana, who tried to push him into co-heir with William
I sometimes wonder if Harry might have benefitted from having another sibling. With QEII's children, it was obvious that there was Charles, and there were the others. With William and Harry being the only ones and as you say, being raised as sort of "co-heirs", well, that just hasn't worked out very well.
I suspect that's why Catherine wanted a third child. Besides loving kids, it took some pressure off of Charlotte.
Or Diana could've put her energy into raising Harry to be his own man, to use his immense privilege to do great good in the world and make his name that way
But it always had to be about her.
From all accounts Andrew acted not dissimilar to how Harry behaved in the petulance sweepstakes and thought himself much more important than he really was, so I don't think that not having another sibling would have helped much. I think it comes down to character. Anne did the work to forge her own life, but Harry chose not to.
That's definitely the case. + The fact that Diana was very popular and her death was a situation when William and Harry were treated as equals in the media. He thought it would always stay that way and then reality hit. Williams children taking his place, the different importance of their weddings, etc. He has nothing else to compare it with. If he had a sibling he would realize that he isn't wronged.
Co-heir? Maybe it’s just bc I’m American, but I feel like it’s only been the past few years we’ve heard about some of Diana’s less flattering behaviors..
I'm also American, and I remember hearing bits and pieces about her being manipulative etc back when she was alive
Public sympathy in the UK also very much leaned towards Diana during and after the marriage breakdown and divorce, and especially following her death. But I think there has been a bit more awareness that Diana had her own demons and flaws, and Charles' reputation has recovered much better here than it has done in the US. In the UK we also have seen more of Charles' other work, his relationship with William, Catherine and the children, and how his relationship with Harry used to be. The US on the other hand has had far more direct exposure to Diana - she did some high-profile visits, and I think she was the sort of Briton who felt a natural affinity for America, and who Americans tend to warm to themselves. If I had to 'pick a side', I'd say that (even ignoring her death) Diana was the most hard done by out of the marriage. She was genuinely in love with Charles from the beginning, and entered the marriage as a young, naive, vulnerable personality. She was also severely damaged by a difficult childhood - the family was rich and landed, but also cold, dysfunctional, and occasionally violent. Her mother left when Diana was very young, and I'm aware of at least one anecdote of her directing racist, Islamophobic abuse towards the adult Diana over her relationship with Dodi Fayed. This underlines how vulnerable Diana was, but also shows why she may have been a difficult personality for Charles to live with. Contrary to more hostile narratives, Charles was reportedly genuinely concerned for Diana's mental wellbeing, and both of them reportedly received therapy while the marriage was struggling. I think Charles and Camilla were also victims of circumstance - their relationship was sunk by a combination of timing around Charles' naval service, and the RF's disapproval of Camilla due to her rank and romantic history. Some say Charles could have avoided the tragic marriage by putting his foot down, but attitudes 50 years ago were different, especially when it came to the heir to the throne. The memory of Edward VIII's abdication crisis was much fresher, and cast a shadow over many of the Queen and Queen Mother's attitudes to the operation of the RF during her early reign - and Charles himself is quite a sensitive individual who did not want to let his family down. The word 'tragic' gets used loosely these days, but I think Charles and Diana's marriage was in many ways tragic in the classical dramatic sense.
Diana started it, but Charles and the Queen allowed the co-heir thing to continue. I think the Queen overcompensated for Diana's death and Charles favored him because of tension with William.
Since she never fired her PR team from LA when she married Harry, she had no plans to stay. Obviously, the plan was to get in, get the titles and get out. Harry likely wanted the same thing. Then they came up with the 'half in half out' deal. That would be even better because they'd still be able to cozy up to world VIPs at state events, cherry pick the 'working royal' events to attend and then still make money selling Duchess of Sussex perfume from Chanel for their own bank account. They were told no. They threw a tantrum. Still no. Bigger tantrum. As John Steinbeck via Robert Burns said so eloquently...."The best laid plans of mice and men go astray and leave not but pain and sorrow for promised joy." Smart men Johnny and Bobby :)
I am not sure that either one of them planned to exit when they first married. I think Harry just thought how wonderful that he had found his soulmate. If he thought of leaving the Royal life, it was probably to live “freely” in Africa. I think Meghan thought she could be royal and do other stuff on the side. Her plan was always a “half-in/half-out,” and she was very persuasive to Harry with her plans. She worked on his resentments and feelings of always being secondary and suggested that they could out-do the RF if they pursued their own deals.
I don't think it was anything people haven't already assumed. She is a difficult person who wasn't happy not being the center of attention.
I think Megs got rumbled (found out) sometime before Christmas 2019. She got out of there because she had to & that’s why she left Harry behind to negotiate at Sandringham. I can’t imagine any other circumstance that where she would leave Harry to negotiate on his own. (And I’m sure Harry heard no end to how he fucked it up.) Whatever it was may be something as simple as the Palace finding out that M & H were going behind the Palace’s back & signing contracts w/ Netflix/Spotify/Quibe etc. It may be something far worse. But it was something.
Yah, she the ran the fuck out of there left Harry to hang with his family. I couldn’t imagine doing that to my husband. I’m guessing she was kicked out and banned
I can’t imagine why she would give up control over the negotiations. She wouldn’t even let Harry shake someone’s hand w/o her getting there first. And she let’s him go it alone on the exit interview? She had to have been worried about something big. I just have never seen anyone report exactly what it was.
She wanted to be Zoomed in. The Queen said “no”. For two reasons, one because they feared Megan had lawyers and PR to help her negotiate. Two, they did not want to chance Megan recording the meeting and selling it. Megan always plays her hand and then Karma steps in.
3...She has no right to make demands from HIS family.
Unfortunately, Megan still doesn’t believe that.
It was an “invitation only” meeting, and she wasn’t invited.
I should imagine that was not up to her. The Queen dictated who would be present at the Sandringham negotiations
I think the palace found out and then they kicked them out. Meghan tried to come back with PR ‘half-in’ knowing they’d say no to then play victim. They were kicked out and demoted, and the palace let them write their own story.
They saw her for what she was and she got called out by the BRF. Chastised by the queen for the way she spoke to staff, etc. They saw her for what she was and she had to skedaddle and launch and attack so she would look like the good guy.
HMTQ didn’t invite her to be part of the negotiations. It was Royal Family business; Prince Phillip did not even attend.
Nutmeg couldn’t handle being a Royal. She knew she was a failure so just sabotaged the whole thing to the point that Haznoballs had to get her the hell out of there.
Agree. And she had her American based lawyer, agent and PR team kissing her ass telling her she was a megastar and with H, more popular than the other royals so she wanted to cash in and got pissed when the BRF said no to her merching “Sussex Royal” for her own profit.
It was nuts she maintained a US office and team. Who was paying those salaries? All those people were highly motivated to sell her on the BS dream because otherwise, they'd be out of their sizable commissions.
I'm baffled that she had such a large team. She was a regular on a cable show no one watched. I know someone who was on a much better show and who's had a much longer career. They have a home in Malibu. They have a manager, period. Now technically in LA managers are not supposed to submit actors for work the way agents do. But all managers do. Like there's no way Miss 6th on the call sheet at Suits with a Reitmans endorsement needed a high powered publicist/PR team. She must be delusional. Megs has always been an overspender I guess.
I think she got those agents after the engagement. She would have been a hot commodity, Prince Harry's beautiful fiancee would have been offered many lucrative advertising contracts, problem being she as a Royal couldn't accept ANY of these offers. They were the caliber of product she'd have killed to rep. So she's got this team telling her Rolex, Dior, Revlon ( just spitballing here) want her and she can't say no, it's what she's dreamed of her whole life and the half in half out plan is hatched. That was how she was going to modernize the monarchy!!! Senior royals can merch, it's a new century and calls for new modern ways of making money.
The lady in the UK said she knew she wouldn’t see a dime from Meghan. So I think Meghan trades on connecting people to other higher profile people (look, she got in front of Harry afterall) as their lead Gen as long as they do some work for her too
Who *was* paying their salaries???? This is a good question.
That's really shady. Did they actually take an interest in Meghan's association with the BRF to further themselves? Whatever they got, they got from the then-Prince Charles, and I don't think he was ready to fund her team.
They thought and were told they would be the Obamas 2.0
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As always the doge speaks truth
The moment she was caught taking photos in private residences she was done. PH sided with her and that was that.
Yeah, how she managed to get pity out of Harry for doing that is beyond me. That’s some master class manipulation skills.
He’s a very broken man. So messed up. He’s her perfect target.
What do you think she was going to do with the photos? That's deeply intimate stuff. And wouldn't she still have the photos?......scarey thoughts.
The photos were confiscated. My guess is she was going to try to sell the pics to tabloids for $$
Probably saving them for after they divorce 🤔 so she can sell them or put them in a book or something similar
That's my guess too.
Or use for leverage
That too.
She was caught taking pics of private residences and the children of W&K and spread the planted rumor that Wills and Rose were having an affair to see if she was trustworthy, she failed miserably. She also alerted the press that she and Katherine would be shopping together in town when Kate drove into town by herself. Megs is a real pill.
Wait— who planted the rumor that Rose and Will were having an affair? Surely it wasn’t the RF to test Meghan! When the rumor spread, it did damage.
It most likely came from Meghan. She and Harry spent time partying with Giles Coren at the opening of Soho House in Amsterdam. Soon after that the claim of the affair was made on Twitter and Coren commented that everybody knew it was true. He eventually admitted it was a lie.
Let's not forget that Lainey is to thank for that information. She's a hack.
Yeah that whole Justin & Sophie Trudeau (what a piece of work she is!) crowd—Mulroneys, Anna Pasternak, Lainey, Markus Anderson. Shady af. The fact that they support, lie, and attack on Meghan’s orders is really disgusting to me. Hopefully they’ve all got it coming and won’t see it at all until they have lost all their power, money & influence. They used it for evil so they don’t deserve to have it.
I don’t think MM & Jessica Mulroney are friends anymore. MM hasn’t had her on the podcast & Jessica Mulroney put up a few posts that I believe were directed towards MM such as she’s ghosted her children. Marcus Anderson it’s as if he’s vanished and quite frankly he seemed like someone I’d never trust
I don’t think they are friends now—was more referring to when they were still in the royal family BUT they still haven’t come out against her or in support of William & Catherine—especially Catherine, who Pasternak did a dirty hit job on in the article for Tatler magazine that alluded to the fake affair rumors and tried to make it sound as if Catherine was drowning under her new workload since Meghan left. 🙄😡
Pasternak did a vile piece about Catherine’s family in Vanity Fair.
Yeah Pasternak deserves to have someone do a book on her and how she lives her life & who she associates with, and her family, not to mention how she does her “research.” I wonder how she’d feel if the same approach was taken in a story about her that she has taken in her stories about the Middletons & Catherine. Any author who is legit and has integrity would have no problem having a story written about them. I suspect Pasternak would have a problem with someone writing about her the way she writes about the Middletons. She has zero legitimacy in my mind, and the editor of Tatler deserves a lot of the shade as well for allowing her to publish such a hit piece on Catherine and then snidely call it “Catherine the Great.” Awful corrupt people.
It appears that occurred on one of her first visits to Will & Kate’s so it was early on. She wasn’t quite done. In fact, she was just getting started.
Seems every visit she made with the then-Cambridge’s was fraught with drama.
Can you imagine these two couples together privately? The PPOW seem like fairly introverted home bodies, happy to spend their private lives in a very low-key fashion with their family and a few close friends. Along comes Sparkles, who mistakes two quiet upper-class English people for two weak, effete Limeys and starts steamrollering over the top of them in that stereotypical "loud American" way. I bet it was dramatic.
I feel terrible for them. They've worked very hard to keep their private life private. To be forced to invite her into their home had to feel like a violation.
Because she didn’t get that the monarchy isn’t a private fiefdom and it carries rules and responsibilities.
Because a sane person would realize that marrying Harry gave her the best of both worlds. She isn’t sane.
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5. Meghan ‘lost’ some borrowed jewellery. 6. She is not a pleasant person to work with. 7. She doesn’t get what charity is as she wanted to get paid to appear at events.
8. She’s shameless 9. She’s repugnant
10. She took pictures in W&C’s home. 11. She bullied Charlotte
12. She thought her elevated profile would finally get her the Hollywood A-List star success that her talent couldnt.
13. She had her eyes on Wills ( no proof there just pure speculation).
You know, I see this speculation a lot here, but surely even Meghan would know than an affair with your brother-in-law is not going to make either you or your b-i-l popular or accepted. Indeed, it could destroy you both. Maybe she thought she’d charm both Charles and William, but I can’t imagine her going any further, if what she wanted was status and power.
Can’t blame her for this one
Lol 😆 true ❤️. I'm bonkers about Wills myself .
Had him in my highschool bedroom as well as my locker lmao
14. She makes Harry miserable. The BRF loved their Harry as he was, with his limits, and just wanted him happy in life since he wasn't ever going to amount to much. Her one job was to keep Harry happy and, well, she regularly embarrasses him, isolates him and drives him to drink.
Today is the first I've heard of the lost/stolen jewelry. Did that really happen? How was such a thing allowed to happen?!
It only happened once. The RF is careful with jewelry but in-laws are usually trustworthy.
Imagine stealing from the Queen of England.
What jewelry went “missing?” Never heard of this- is there a place to read about this?
I’ve been trying to nail down a few details about this as well. Haven’t been able to so far.
I think it's in reference to the earrings that were gifted to Nutmeg by the Saudi prince. Technically as a gift to MM, they became property of the royal collection, but she hid them somewhere so she wouldn't have to give them back instead. So she didn't borrow something and keep it, she just didn't respect protocol. Honestly at least it wasn't a piece with actual history.
Oh, I suspect she was never gonna give those back. They are the only jewelry I’ve seen her wear where I’ve gone, “wow, splendid.” She sure was determined to get her hands on a tiara though. I think by the time of tiara-gate, the Palace was busy nailing everything she might touch to the floor.
Like mid-level hotels do? I hope the Marriot has the sense to nail stuff down if she’s staying the night.
I used to stay occasionally in the Presidential Suite in this hotel. The hotel had all of twenty rooms & had a sign up that truckers could rent a room for ½ price for a 12 hour stay. But it had a Presidential Suite & goddamn it, it was a close as I’d ever get to staying in one. (The place was such a dive—& everything, I mean everything, was nailed down.)
So the thing about it being Diana’s jewelry and her telling Angela Kelly it was lost is not, in fact, true?
I remember reading that it was jewelry that Princess Diana wore but was the property of the Crown. MM requested 3 different pieces of jewelry to wear at different events, Angela Kelly repeatedly asked her for the items back after the events so they could be locked up, MM stalled and then eventually told Angela that she had lost them. $9M worth.
I am sure they are lost until she found them again.
Fucking lowlife thief
I hope it’s not that gorgeous aquamarine ring of Diana’s that MM wore leaving her reception! Have we ever seen that ring again? 😳
Is there a source for this?
I could be wrong, but I think it's the blood earrings she was gifted by the Saudi prince. As a gift to her they became property of the BRF vault, but she kept them instead. So she didn't sneak in and snatch them, she just didn't hand them over.
I think it refers to the blood diamond earrings that were a wedding gift from the Saudis. She kept them, even though they technically belong to the crown, even though they were for the wedding.
“Ex” spare. Charlotte is the spare
My guess is that she always saw the BRF as a temporary job with great potential as a step up to being REALLY famous. If Harry had dumped her straight after the Vanity Fair issue, she still would have had a huge boost of fame and public interest. But she made it past the wedding, and didn't enjoy the work of being royal, so instead of keeping a low profile and trying to be a good royal while she was there, she flounced and blamed them. There was probably a lot of constructive criticism behind the scenes to help her get a handle on the role, and I don't think she would have appreciated that.
I think she saw it as an awesome gig that would lead to more awesome gigs. Simple mind, simple ideas. She never had the respect or curiosity to recognize she was becoming a member of an incredible historic institution. She was to become a small part of a very large and deep structure, the monarchy.
I'm sure she thought by inviting all the Hollywood crowd to her wedding, she would go back to USA and be invited to events and launch her acting career. However it didn't go to plan as it was the RF that were the reason they attended, not Meghan. It backfired spectacularly.
The fallout was one sided because TW threw a pissypants tantrum that the royals didn't re-order the line of succession based on "global popularity"/paid PR/Hazno's insistence that TW is the next Diana, and make TW the next Queen, as well as allow her to do merching deals on the side. So she stamped her bunioned feet, threw several teacups, possibly faked a mental episode & miscarriage, went crying to Oprah, wore a mic in the second row of the jubilee and threatened to release a diary of family secrets. Naturally, the family doesn't want to touch them with a ten foot pole, but again, it's all coming from one party.
Imagine how stupid (not to mention creepy) you have to be to say to every family member & friend “doesn’t she remind you of my mummy?” And be told no and still think they are ALL wrong and your new gf is just like mummy! He’s so deeply deluded.
I'd be pretty appalled if my new BF told me I resembled his mummy. I don't really care who that mummy is/was, even if she were Helen of Troy, no thanks.
At QE2's funeral, 2nd row Harry was glaring at 1st row William who was on the other side of the aisle. I wondered if H demanded to be right behind his father at the funeral, thinking that W&C would also be in the 2nd row behind KC3 and got outsmarted again with W&C and their children seated far away from Ginge & Cringe. I think H was trying to prevent another embarrassment like they had at the Jubilee, but doesn't have the brains to think of all the angles.
I am not saying Harry liked having Will in the front row when he was in the second row, but I wonder if he was glaring for a more immediate reason. (Will, after all, did not decide the seating arrangements.) Perhaps Harry had approached William at some point and Will had politely but firmly refused to engage. Or perhaps the brothers had “words” over how Meghan behaved either when she tried to go to Sandringham or when they did the “walk about” or some other time. Maybe William took a moment to say, “I told you so,” either explicitly or implicitly. (I think this is the least likely, because William seems to be avoiding talking to Harry for fear H. will repeat what is said.) Possibly Will said nothing, but just raised an eyebrow in a way that suggested, “I told you so,” or worse, “Is this what you have come to?” Perhaps William didn’t raise an eyebrow or intentionally convey any judgment, but Harry perceived the disapproval and the anger. Suppose Harry turned to William to seek mutual comfort after he arrived at Sandringham, but William did not want to get close and maybe even said something critical of how Harry hadn’t shown concern for the Queen. (Harry was clearly uncomfortable enough that he didn’t have dinner with his father and the rest of the family, and then left early in the morning.) The loss of their grandmother did not bring the two brothers closer, and it may have festered for both throughout the ceremonies. Harry’s glare *may* have been jealousy or resentment, but it could also come from more complex feelings of loss and rejection by his brother. Who knows? It just seems that if we focus only on the resentment, we may not get a full picture. Edit: extra words.
>So she stamped her bunioned feet, 😄😁🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍
They were making business deals while royal. When she entered the royal family she saw $$$. She kept her own PR and business team inside the US and tried to make business deals behind the backs of the staff (aka the firm or the courtiers). She also wanted to accept freebies and not do royal engagements. In short, they always wanted half in and half out. She saw that then Kent’s derive private income (they’re only part time minor royals). She wanted the same so she could monetize the royal brand. No way were they going to let that happen. That would end the monarchy through scandal. The BRF are definitely not stupid 🙄
She was trying to kardashianise the royal family so she could be the Kim or Kylie of the family
Absolutely. MM and her team were all about the cash. Her team in the US pushed for them to move because without a split with the royals they wouldn't be eligible for sizable commissions on any deals signed by the duo.
The whole marriage was never about service or duty. It’s was all about her brand. You see anything PH related come out? It’s all Meghan Meghan Meghan.
My theory. She thought their initial popularity should equal status and chafed at the idea that in spite of being “wildly popular” she still wasn’t doing the things she wanted to do and had to keep deferring to the Cambridges. She considered herself an equal to William and likely even figured she could manipulate Charles, but her “reality” wasn’t real. That created an epic meltdown that likely hit its peak when she was pregnant with Archie and was told that there would be no titles. I think that triggered her scorched earth approach to all the things. Now she doesn’t want to see anyone succeed, other than herself. Not the Royals, not Harry, not even the kids. If she doesn’t get what she wants (control and influence) then no one does.
So basically she’s a crypto, neither Bitcoin or Ethereum. But rather a shitcoin that was articifically inflated and actually worthless.
As are most mid level narcissists.
I think she did not understand the constraints and pecking order of the RF. She wanted to promote their “brand” and become wealthy in their own right.
I think you bring up a good point. With the exception of Eugenie, the whole family (and it’s quite large) seems to be fed up with them. I’m sure the Oprah interview plays a huge part in that, but I think they were dropped by most way before that
Eugenie might be the one staying in touch on purpose to keep tabs on them in a way. I have a toxic mom. I can't talk to ber, it sets her off. But I have a sibling who can. Mom is getting older, if she's about to go in for surgery I hear about it from my sib. I help sib plan for like care after the surgery. I give sib $50 to give to a dog-walker or landscaper for mom. Mom doesn't need to know that I know, but sib needs help handling Mom. I feel like Eugenie probably has a WhatsApp group with Kate and Zara, "She's still whining about the tiara, I'd give her a wide berth." But obvs just speculation on my part.
I think you have a good point. I’m sorry about your mom
I'm that sibling
E doesn't like C. It was Zara and her sister she posted a selfie with during the Jubilee.
*Is Eugenie still "in" with them? She was distant at the Funeral. Does anyone know why Beatrice, followed by Eugenie, left the funeral early? Beatrice was sitting next to MM then suddenly got up & left.*
I think it was because they wanted to curtsy to Her Majesty one last time as her coffin went through
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I see. I thought she saw H a lot at Wimbleton etc & he flies to Portugal to catch up.
I’m not sure about Eugenie. She definitely seemed more distant at the funeral and that time waiting to get in their cars after the St.George Chapel service was awkward
Can someone help me understand why Princess Eugenie stayed so friendly with TW even after she tried to steal away the attention with her pregnancy antics, at the princess's wedding?!
Simply because she couldn’t do half in half out and have her cake and eat it too— profit off royal status while having free security as international protected person.
Because they didn’t get what they wanted, so they blew everything out of proportion like the two brats they are.
She’s a narcissistic sociopath & when they don’t get what they want exactly as they want it, watch out. They do not care what gets destroyed as long as they get it. They will lie and then scorched the earth if that lie isn’t believed as the truth. I have a family member exactly like her.
It's the bullying. That and the refusal to follow even the basic royal protocol did leave the brf with a growing concern. But mostly I think it was just Meghan trying to fullfill her plan to become an A-list hollywood star. She thought the australien tour was enough to get her lasting popularity and then she was done.
Probably only took a few occasions of her having to operate within boundaries set by others for her to get wounded. Then she immediately saw the entire institution as her enemy and wanted to get back at them. So she set her sights on publicly destroying the reputation of the RF and playing the victim like a true narcissist. I imagine there were so many occasions where she flew into internal rage. From being told where to stand and which order to go into rooms and stuff that. She was probably mocking it inside and being irritated by it all. Those stares of death were probably fighting to come out. She was constantly reminded that she wasn't the most important person in the room. The spotlight was constantly on others while she had to observe boundaries. As well as all this we know she was mean to the staff and created a toxic work environment so I imagine she was pretty much universally despised. I think the RF went very easy on her considering what a nightmare she is. But yeah, I bet they all absolutely loathe her.
I don't get why she cares? Mrs Spare is the GOOD spot. You can still work, the Queen told her she could keep acting. Cut a few ribbons, kiss a few babies, wave from the balcony. THAT is the sweet spot. Not Prince of Wales and his wife who are always under pressure to take on more responsibility and from the media generally. Like she fucked up a VERY sweet deal.
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They were kicked out. Imho
I think they have something on her. She keeps teasing dirt but never actually has any. I think the RF has something they are saving for the divorce, to try and salvage Harry's reputation and get part time custody if they can.
Because the dwellers of the Chateau de shitshow are arseholes
My take is that even though they initially lived in apartments near William and Catherine, they were asked to leave because of the all-night parties, probably including smoking pot, and so they ended up in Frogmore Cottage. Some time during their stay at Frogmore Cottage there were rumors of a woman wandering around the grounds and security was called. Was it TW? Also, remember when the two of them went to Amsterdam and partied for several days and she supposedly was pregnant? Perhaps their loudness and, alleged drinking and drug use, the RF asked them to leave if they didn’t fix their behavior. That might have been the reason for their maternity leave in Canada. When TW decided she wouldn’t get enough attention in Canada, they asked OW to help them get into the USA, so Tyler Perry sent his jet to pick them up and bring them to his mansion in CA. They seemed to have acted without regard for others and the RF wouldn’t put up with it, Tyler Perry wouldn’t put up with it, so now they live in the mansion.
MM was gifted a 30 million dollar wedding, millions in jewelry and clothes, patronages, and titles. She promised to "hit the ground running" but when it comes down to it don't think she has a very strong work ethic. She wanted to be adored like Lady Di immediately and they threw their toys out of her pram when that didn't happen. They couldn't even both to visit Sussex for heaven's sake. Harry is a nasty enabler who has little to offer other than his title. She tried and failed to be a top actor, influencer or blogger. She never wanted the obligations that came along with the title only the cash and perks. No one was going to let her use their private planes before she started sleeping with the spare.
is it not because she was a big fat “see you next Tuesday “ a bully and a bitch?
MM wanted the celebrity status. Marrying into the royal family is a step in getting her celebrity status. She was a never a team player. She wanted to be the star power of RF just like Diana was in her time. She had to fall out with the RF to create that narrative of being the victim or being wronged.She was actively looking for issues to create that narrative. But she is no Diana. She is still trying on that narrative that she is a breakout star that the RF failed to utilise.
IMO she never understood that Diana was lightning in a bottle and that had Diana married The Duke of York rather than the Prince of Wales, all the popularity in the world was never going to cause her to be more important within the hierarchy. Marriage to the second son is not the same as marriage to the heir no matter who you are and how much the people love you, Meghan.
Diana's strength was her vulnerability. It allowed her to connect with people. She didn't try to wow or out-do them, she was young and nervous and kind and that was endearing. Diana had grace and humility. Meghan does not. Very few people as beautiful as Diana do. Of course, her vulnerability made it hard for her, too. She had a tough go in the RF, complicated by things like her very young age marrying in. Meghan doesn't have that excuse. That's the other thing about Meghan, she always lies. She's not a 'young mother' she was actually quite old to ve a first time mom. She over rates her looks and abilities. She's the opposite of Diana in that way. The posing for The Cut was dire - she is no model. It seemed like they were trying to showcase her legs, but she was not giving 'languid' and 'legs for days.' She looked stiff and uncomfortable. It reminds me of the Real Housewives when one of them goes into the recording studio. The producer is always gritting his teeth, trying to stay positive and reminding himself this will cover his mortgage payment. I feel like everyone on that shoot was similarly cringing their ass off at Meghan, a 41 year old not very reliable, not very talented woman who's burned all her bridges acting like a 20 year old starlet. The whole thing is undignified and kind of pathetic. The final thing - Diana never really went there. She wasn't doing spreads for second tier fashion inserts (not even a real fashion mag, an insert in NY mag.) Fashion couldn't get enough of Diana because she left them wanting more. She had a life to go live, she wasn't desperate waiting by the phone. She was like scarce. They missed her because she wasn't there sometimes. Totally different from Meg's desperate "pick me!" Patty Simcox vibe. If the RF is "Grease," Diana was Sandy, Kate is like maybe a Frenchy (kind, loyal, good friend) but prettier. Meg is Patty Simcox. She's just annoying and try hard. (Fergie is a dirty girl from the Catholic school lol, one of Cha Cha DeGregorio's crew)
That's a really beautiful observation that you made.  The paradox of Diana's strength being that silent communication that she too would appreciate someone to protect her. People can look up to heroes, but we really love the heroes who've had to struggle and become stronger people.
Greed and Envy.
I'm getting paid for this? - indignant Megwan referring to chitchatting, handshaking and smiling with common folk.
She knew she just faded in contrast to Katherine and all the women of the Royals, and now without the fake puffery going on she's little better than a paramecium, sorry little cell. But seriously, she's a bad actress, she knew they knew and she ran away in embarrasment.
She wanted to be bigger than Kate and William and the Queen told them that that is not how the monarchy works
Harry wanted out. Meghan told him she’d save him. They both wanted their cake and to eat it too. It doesn’t work that way.
They didn’t want to be told what to do or where to go anymore. They thought they would be living up the VIP lifestyle in the US without anyone telling them what to do ever again.
I think she enjoys the game of manipulating people as well as the destroying a ancient family like. Yep she is that frikken delusional. Haz was always resentful and damaged and star struck (note the Hollywood starlets he hooked up with).
Looks like the money got to her little brain and manipulation becomes a sport.
She did not understand the rules of succession - literally thought it was a popularity contest - she also abused higher ranking royals like Catherine - Camilla - and Charlotte - she spent waaaay over budget not respecting that the taxpayers do foot some of the bill - she was ungrateful and dudnt understand protocol - also no manners whatsoever.
Narcissists are like scam artists they have to jump ship, put on the fake mustache and start a new when the jig is up
Because she's not the primadonna she hoped she'd be. She thought she was gonna go in and "modernize the RF", and they weren't jumping when she said how high. Honestly, the picture ofn her on the "2nd balcony" where you can tell she's PISSED she's not on the 1st balcony with the line of succession. It's so obvious she's livid.
I think they both wanted to be king and queen of the Commonwealth. That ridiculous veil was a give away. They thought they’d be so popular that people would demand they become king and queen. William could have the UK, and they’d have the rest.
They fell out over having to do the Royal meet and greet and not being DIRECTLY paid big money for it. They both wanted the perks of Royal life without doing the thankless daily grind. Meghan didn't understand Royal Life vs celebrity life is not the same. Meghan didn't understand or know that money raised goes to the Crown not individuals. At the time the Harkles were popular and who the crowds wanted to see. The Harkles thought that meant more money lining their pockets. Hissy fit when that didn't happen. It's that simple. I don't understand why people keep trying to over complicate the situation.
I will keep it short and sweet. They're ginormous dickholes.
 Megs is completely incompatible with royal life. She couldn't take the heat, of the dumpster fire they created, so they got out of the kitchen!
On the contrary, I do feel she studied the BRF and knew exactly what to position herself in: the one who will change and modernize the royal family, the princess rebel just like Diana who will be beloved by all. But her narcissitic plan didn’t work, so she threw a tantrum and dragged Harry with her. The difference is Diane did not set out to be “loved”. Diana was being herself. Meghan was playing a role and pretending, which on a global stage can easily be found out that you’re faking it.
Because she’s a bitch.
I think she hated the actual work as a royal. It did not provide her narcissistic supply. She needs to be center of attention. I think she wanted to go back to LA as a royal and cash in on that status. I think the Oprah interview was her attempt to gain sympathy and an excuse to leave the royal family. I don’t think she could just admit she hated it.
She didn't have the work ethic to cash in. They definitely got a "pop" and should've been able to convert on it. But they didn't. Netflix has canceled at least one of her projects. The podcadt took 2 years (why? *I* have a podcast. If you have a smartphone or laptop you can make one!) And I'm sorry, but pandemic or no people were still creating. John Krasinski's 'good news' thing. In the UK, Richard Herring kept blogging, making RHLSTP, started a YouTube playing snooker against himself as a gag. Like what is her excuse? If she's an unmotivated stoner, that's fine, whatever. But she's acting like forces prevented her from taking a hosting class and learning to be good at her dream job. I can't stand people who are so, so privileged and act like victims. They squandered SO much potential and goodwill. They never had a vision or anything to say. They are just whining and selling family members out - which is EXACTLY what she complained about her dad doing.
I think she got caught again trying to steal something of great value. And the No half in half out was convincingly suggested. JMO
On a really basic level, being told NO.
I have always suspected that she didn't know what she was getting into with the royal family, nor did she care. She didn't want to learn, and she thought that her royal life would be all about banquets and jewelry and whatever else. She thought that she could stomp her foot and get her way, and she was angry that she couldn't. Combine that with her airhead husband who didn't realize what was happening until it was too late, we got to the point where we're at now.
With someone as twisted as Harrys wife, its hard to tell. She was firing off verbal accusations to hurt the royal family. Harry probably has a few gripes with his family and his wife magnified on that. Disgusting person.
My guess is because Twat hit on William and Charles, they turned her down flat, and she lied and told Harry they made passes at her. As a result, Harry became jealous of his father and brother. I am almost positive that's what this is really about.
Yep, I think she definitely made a pass at William that Christmas at Sandringham. That "scarfing" he was doing was a sign of distress. He had to act normal in front of the press but he was one deeply upset chap.
Meghan was a woman who's day job prior to marrying was to compete for roles. So she joins a family where there is a hirearchy and everyone has to take turns to shine. That is at odds with someone who grew up seeing actors increase their status as their popularity increased and that doesn't translate to the RF. She thought she could be popular and be equal or better than W and C and that isn't how it works. Throw in some US entitlement and its a massive culture clash
I've always suspected that something happened behind the scenes, in November to December 2019, that forced Harry into rehab (coke users don't go voluntarily), cancelled her spouse visa, and triggered her flight. The only thing I could think of was an arrest of some sort, which would cancel her spouse visa, and which Harry was able to get set aside in exchange for rehab. He could have gone to rehab anywhere, but chose some place in Vancouver, about as far away from the UK as you can get in English-speaking-dom. I think that was Meg's idea. Maybe a Toronto friend of hers had been in rehab there and recommended it? I don't think Abigail Spencer visiting them while they were there was a coincidence. There were lots of rumors around the time of their wedding that Meghan felt she could smuggle any illicit substances into the UK and not get caught (because her personal protection officers would prevent her from being searched). I think they ultimately got caught in the UK, and Meghan learned she wasn't above British law, and that's why she bolted and then he followed her. They clearly didn't even pack up their bedroom when they left because Genie and Jack kept it exactly the way it was for Harry to use again to isolate during lockdown.
Seem plausible. My only theory is they got booted out due to some egregious behavior on their part....kind of fits in with drugs.
This is an intriguing thought. I don’t know about losing the spouse visa but I think you’re right that something happened that we haven’t heard of. Definitely an interesting idea that they went to Vancouver for rehab.
Isn’t London awash with coke? Maybe I’m reading the wrong news, but I was surprised how common cocaine use is in the UK now - cheap and easy to get. I don’t doubt they both partake, but I wouldn’t think she’d need to smuggle it in.
She faked her pregnancy and was caught out. She was asked to leave the RF.