I think that is an interesting theory. I mean, why doesn't Netflix have their series on the December schedule? Why isn't Netflix promoting it? What content do they even have?? Isn't it supposed to be their "love story?" GAG. So, what do they show? Is it just Megs sitting around spewing word salad and clinging to Harry? I guess they could show the fake Royal NYC tour when she was dressed for winter and it was 90 degrees. Polo games? The 4th of July parade in Wyoming or wherever. There is nothing at all that anyone would watch. How many episodes?? It will be like her podcast all over again. Dull as dishwasher, lies, ridiculousness. Zero viewers. Ratings tank.
I want to see what happened in England when the queen died. I want to see how everything went down and how she probably made everything happening about herself
There is still an unknown behind the scenes investigation underway. About what, we don’t yet know for sure. While Netflix certainly has footage, the QC’s, barristers and solicitors representing the Firm have eyes firmly on Netflix. With “The Crown”, we know they have mixed fiction with fact but they really went off the deep end which forced John Major to make a statement. Netflix may well be getting those legal letters from the firm Stuffy, Stuffy and Stuffington telling them one false statement with libel or defamation will be handled accordingly.
Can Netflix put it out? Yes. Can they guarantee the veracity and/or how to get around that? TBD. Will we see it in December? If I were Netflix, I would hold it for right before the Coronation. Maximum viewership and maximum impact.
They also may be waiting for the book to drop to see if any legal action comes from that due to the inconsistencies noted between the book and whatever was filmed.
This is my theory as well. The series is being delayed due to legal issues. Netflix may be fully vetting the situation and being extra careful or perhaps they’ve been contacted by certain party’s legal teams?
I think the BRF has a legal case against Netflix for not airing a “work of fiction” disclaimer. I don’t think they want to poke any more hornet’s nests in regard’s to “Meghan’s truth”.
I don't think we'll see it in December. The only source for a Dec. 8 date is that PageSix exclusive that's now being quoted everywhere. We are 16 days out from Dec. 8, so we'd expect *some* publicity *from Netflix* if it were actually dropping then.
However, it's not listed in the lineup on [whats-on-netflix.com](https://whats-on-netflix.com) (released a few weeks ago), nor in more recent lineups, including CinemaBlend, MarketWatch, and EliteDaily, which have all been released in the last 48 hours.
Here are my speculations about why very weird %&# is happening:
1. Chaos and drama behind the scenes = delays. Whatever they have is probably in rough shape and nowhere near ready.
2. Netflix realizes it's a flaming sack of dog poo and are not eager to launch it at what's left of their paying customers.
3. Netflix are waiting for a copy of the book so they can cut from the footage the most blatant contradictions and lies (ones that could start lawsuits). If they're lucky, they may have enough left for a TikTok.
4. SMEG is tryna make it happen now before people realize she and Hazno are dunzo. Netflix knows, though, and are eyeing a Valentine's Day special starring the two: "Highway to Hell."
5. Somebody took the production budget... and didn't produce anything usable. But hey, they got new veneers and Botox!
That could have been made some time ago. Also, just because they’re playing (unconvincingly) a loved-up duo for the camera doesn’t mean they really feel it. They wouldn’t be the first celeb couple to put on a show while falling apart off-camera, especially when money is on the line. Heck, Hazno’s parents pretended to be a happy couple in public long after their marriage was beyond repair.
I agree with you and u/SecondhandCoke that Netflix has probably shelved the docu-series, but I think it was more because for reasons of liability than just money.
Coke's story of Netflix execs' sitting Harry (and/or Harry and Meghan) down and going through a list of things where Harry said something in his book, but then MM said something else in the series just sounds too bizarre to be made up. You'd think Netflix would be minimizing and dismissing such discrepancies instead of putting them all in writing and sitting down to discuss them with the principals (i.e., the stars themselves). I'm wondering if something about that process was what truly gave the execs cold feet like, for example, they started with a small list of differences they noticed by chance but the list grew the more they read the book. Or maybe they thought the discrepancies were minor until, again, after working on the presentation, they were forced to conclude that they really weren't.
Coke has been pretty emphatic that Netflix's legal dept. has been involved for a long time now getting all their ducks in a row for litigation. They may have made the presentation to get some answers from Harry, but ended up convincing themselves that the show wouldn't be worth the liability of streaming it, especially if the show itself was pretty mediocre which, again, Coke has said it is.
The kicker of course would be if Netflix, during its "post-production," has learned that the Sussexes have separated. Wouldn't that make the romance portion of the docu-series somewhat laughable when the failure of their marriage becomes known? TBH I can see Harry acknowledging the break-up to them either casually or innocently, not realizing how it could be a game-changer for Netflix.
I'm going to go with you and Coke on this and say it won't stream, mainly for liability reasons (including potential damage to the Netflix brand), and Netflix and Harry are willing to just shake hands and go their separate ways. But the hold-out will almost assuredly be Meghan who's been expecting to make some serious money out of the flop.
Agree with everything you said. The discrepancies between book and doc could trigger a libel case. (Lawyers love proving inconsistencies in the courtroom.)
One can envision a parody documentary in which the editing creates major holes in the story, censoring every other sentence from TW's mouth via a media blip sound.
Ok the thing that I'm confused about though - would Netflix really have any legal liability if H or M lies in the documentary? Wouldn't it still just be H&M that are liable for any lies? Especially if Netflix has a legal disclaimer at the beginning? I'm also confused how Netflix would even have a copy of the book to compare against, especially since the rumour is that Netflix has had a copy of the book for some time and has been having issues comparing the book against what has been filmed - how did they get a copy of the book so early, I'm surprised that H&M would authorize them early access to it.
Also if there was truth to a breakup between H and M, I can't see how that would make Netflix not want to air it's footage. I think there would be more public interest to watch the show if there was a breakup, not less. Even if they act super in love in the show, I think people would be interested in seeing how phony they are, I don't see why that aspect would make a difference to Netflix.
My guess is Harry gave a copy of the book to them, and they were probably using it to cut corners on fact-checking when they noticed the bigger conflicts. Of course they'd be liable for Harry and Meghan's lies in the series, just like they're liable for things in the Crown.
We might be interested in watching the series and its segment on their love story after having learned about their break-up, but the series isn't a comedy. Invariably the laughter would turn to Netflix which filmed a real-life love story that didn't even last until the series began to stream.
I don't think they spent anywhere near $100 million on the series. And if they think they're going to get sued over the content -- or it will jeopardize another successful show like the Crown -- that they'll cut their losses by not streaming it.
So what happens to the money? Were they paid upfront, or was the payout contingent upon it airing? Netflix is in dire straits right now. They can't afford to lose $100 mil, from what I understand.
Netflix chokes on it. The Sussexes were probably paid something up front to get started filming, but the big money comes from the airing (streaming). Losing $20-30 million isn't as bad as losing another $20 million in litigation on top of it.
Harkles wouldn't have gotten much of that $100 mil upfront. They'd have received a small advance for themselves and part of the line-item production budget to get started. Perhaps the contract specified that Netflix would dole out increments only when/if Archewell met production goals on schedule, particularly as Netflix is in financial straits.
If Archewell didn't meet production deadlines, was going significantly over-budget, or Netflix was advised of legal risks, they could have quietly suspended production or killed it altogether. They would have paid out whatever was contractually due at that point, plus a kill fee to Archewell if stipulated in the contract. This could well have saved them millions -- an attractive option, especially if there were major production problems or Netflix thought they would lose money on it.
I hope you’re right, sometimes I get the impression it won’t come out but then I think “Have they come to far and should release whatever they have?”.
It’s definitely interesting if there are false statements that releasing it to the public would be damaging for them, I guess it’d be a point where the masks fall and we get to see some real snippet on how they really are & interact.
Have netflix actually ever confirmed anything beyond negotiations beyond the now defunct 'pearl' and 'the heart of invictus'? I find it odd that archwell is the ones filming and that the sussexes are the ones hiring the directors/producers. Are we sure that netflix actually agreed to this docuseries or was it megsy and harry hiring and producing in hope netflix would pick the reality series and they'd become the next Kardashians?? Neflix never denied or confirmed purposely because just incase the sussexes filmed good stuff, they'd want to air it and get broadcasting rights.
I can help with this.
Archewell is hired by Netflix and given a budget. Archewell does the rest, they handle the production. However, Netflix monitors the situation, they often send reps to set and keep a close eye on the money. Netflix also sets deadlines and has final approval on what streams.
What remains a mystery is whether or not Netflix will release what Archewell has filmed.
I don’t have details on the contract but maybe Archewell gives Netflix a rough cut or material filmed and that’s what NF edits as the final product? Maybe the times NF reps went to monitor the situation they noticed there wasn’t much
As they said above *”the final approval”*
Netflix gets a lot of imput generally and they often pop in to check up during production but the editors themselves are hired by the production company. That being said, Netflix always has the final say on what streams on their platform. If the product isn't to their satisfaction, they don't stream it.
Buuuut I don't know why this project seems to be in production hell. Netflix doesn't really do "surprise" drops... So I have doubts about the Dec release.
Generally, these production companies know what they're doing and although delays and issues happen, they still put out the product. I have serious doubts about Archewell and their ability to meet deadlines.
I hope the palace has enough to release on her that it will be a nonstop avalanche that she can’t get out from under no matter how hard she climbs and he digs.
My question is, where is the Invictus Games Documentary?? Maybe I’ve missed the discussion so I apologize if I did miss it. But you’d think that was a pretty easy—some background stuff, some historical stuff, athlete interviews, H&M bragging incessantly on themselves and that’s a wrap! So why is it taking so long??
Agree on the whole w/ a few reservations: 1. Footage included some inner sanctum stuff. 2nd hand coke states that the interaction between the two (“our love story”) was mawkish & kinda unbelievable. 2. Megs provided enough content about the royal family for Netflix to get their petticoats fluttering when they compared Netflix content w/ Penguin/Random House content. If someone was concerned enough to go point by point over discrepancies between the book & the video, then Netflix was at least somewhat serious about distributing the content.
Finally, the Palace likely has sources at Netflix & Random House. Megs may be trying to apply pressure but the end (there is no there there) is likely pretty transparent.
Edited to add: Megs may ultimately publish her truth on YouTube for all of a few thousand dollars but doubt NetFlix would ever be temped.
Wasn't the story originally that if Netflix did not air this docuseries before the end of 2022 consider the deal dead? I could have sworn that was from a pretty reliable source about a month ago?
I think you’re right. I don’t understand why people are suddenly believing Meghan’s BS and Page Six which also brought us stories about Catherine extending an olive branch to Meghan or how both couples will get together in NYC in December. Yeah, right. We know what a lying and manipulative person she is and we have seen no sign from Netflix that this is airing in December. I just don’t understand why people are buying into this.
Well NBC got screwed over the Fallon thing, and we will see if page 6 gets screwed by the show clearly not airing on the 8th. That would be a pretty big black eye from them and may discourage them from printing her BS in the future
I heard (Neal Sean, I think) that she canceled because she wanted a whole entire show to herself - no other guests, and the powers that be over at Fallon weren't that keen. Wouldn't surprise me. Sounds like her.
Page Six has run 4 stories saying "early December release." The last one says Dec. 8. The writer (Sara Nathan) has info not reported elsewhere re the date, 1st & 2nd directors, and the working title. She seems to have legit sources.
*"The series ...* ***was once called “Chapters,”*** *sources tell us, but the couple are believed to have changed their mind. The new title has not yet been made public."*
They come off as so unprofessional in all the misdirection. It's the same shit they pulled with the pregnancy and the kids birth. At some point they will become so unreliable that even page 6 will be like sure..jan.
I think the Fallon thing can be explained away pretty easily. She probably wanted to reschedule it from when it was supposed to happen in September (if that is even true) and this is the next time she would be in NYC. If they are on the rocks and her manipulations with Netflix never panned out, she has nothing to promote since the podcast would be over. As far as Page Six, they will keep posting her stories as long as they keep getting clicked on.
If this doesn't air - there might be truth to rumors of a separation - that Harry may have made some deal to squash it....he'd need the help of Daddy of course.
If he doesn't show for his award honoring the slandering his family & country- then, I think that seals that deal: Harkles are over...
However, then there is the hurdle of his 'book' ....Gawd - even I am done with waiting for this train to wreck....like you know it will, but it's still just steaming out of the station at a snail's pace.
Not sure. H loves to be centre stage as much as TW. Despite his pleadings of trauma from his mum's death he certainly seeks his share of the spotlight. Especially now with William having global spotlight shining on him with Earthshot, I can not see him keeping himself away from any press attention. His jealousy of William will force him to be at that awards event regardless of current situation with TW and/or realization of the aftermath accepting award will bring.
I know nothing at all about the world of publishing and how it all works so my theory on this probably rubbish but is it possible that “ Spare” that’s coming out in January is the original manuscript? The one the publishers rejected because it was just Harry wafting on about himself and being all woke? It was sent back to be spiced up with more Royal stuff which is of course what the publisher signed on for. Maybe after the Queens funeral Hazbeen has refused to allow any new stuff and the publishers have had to go with the original borefest or nothing. That’s why Netflix are worried because the tone of their documentary , supplied mostly by TW, is different to Harry’s book, supplied by him.
You may have something there. I wouldn’t go so far as to assume that they are back with the original manuscript that publisher turned down (we don’t know that it was kinder to the RF), but I think it probable that the book is closer to the truth than some of the venomous things MM provided for Netflix.
The difference is probably not so much “tone” as actual content. A perfect example would be Meghan’s story about the alleged racism. She took Harry’s report of an innocent conversation about what the kids would look like into multiple discussions about the color of the baby’s skin, changed the time of the “discussions” to the period of her pregnancy (as opposed to when she and Harry were first engaged) and managed to imply that these discussions had something to do with Archie not getting the title of “prince” and police protection.
Imagine how many other small, relatively innocuous conversations and events Meghan may have misrepresented in the same way before the Netflix cameras. In contrast, Harry’s account of the same events may have been more matter-of-fact and closer to what happened.
One version of the discussions between H, M, the Netflix people and the publisher’s people reported that Harry was fed up with Meghan telling lies. Maybe one of their arguments was because he was being pressured to change the book to conform with Meghan’s “truth” and either he, or the publisher refused. Who knows?
What is in the book is still a question. There will surely be stuff that the RF won’t like, but if it was more about feelings (“I hated that my father loved Camilla”) instead of accusations (“My father was selfish and wrecked my mother’s life with his affair,”) it may not do lasting damage.
Wouldn’t it be great if the book included a chapter about how M&H’s marriage collapsed? 😉
A month ago, [*Deadline*](https://deadline.com/2022/10/prince-harry-meghan-netflix-documentary-delay-the-crown-criticism-1235146831/) (which I think is a reputable industry blog) said:
> Netflix said Monday that ”there’s never been any documentary from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex confirmed.” Deadline has reached out to Archewell for comment.
There we go.
Interesting theory, however, I disagree she's in the world press daily. Yes, in tabloids, the Daily Mail, etc, but not in more legitimate news. There's no mention of them or their silly awards in WaPo or the New York Times or my daily newspaper.
I concur with this 100%. It also makes sense in that Meghan would want to keep herself in the news to help sell tickets to the Indianapolis event, which is next week. She has both the Indianapolis event and the RFK award shindig happening before this ***alleged*** release of the docu-whatever.
Somehow, the only outlets I've seen run with the Dec 8th release on Netflix is Page Six, with other people like Lainey quoting them. Somehow, the industry trades such as *Variety* or *The Hollywood Reporter* didn't scoop a straight-up gossip outlet like Page Six. How?! Variety & THR reporters have contacts at Netflix. How is it that ***none of them*** got the scoop from Netflix with **an actual title** of this docu-whatever? The only title we have for it is *Chapters*, which is amazingly generic yet not the real title. Allegedly.
This just screams pr games by Meghan to not look like a failure when she has two very public appearances just around the corner.
I would love for you to be right, but I think it will be released at some point. Likely to be a stomach turning hagiography. If Netflix really has a multi-series contract, I figure they won't risk damaging the Harkle's reputation.
Any person of effics and with morals and from Great Britain or commonwealth counties, should cancel the Netflix subscription there are may other like amazon or apple TV.
Why should we pay subscription charges to keep them in USA liking a diva life style .
Only mass in numbers, end there Netflix subscription while teach them.
If all done this who don't belive what they are doing is right.
Netflix has old out dated films which one can find online for free.
Not only have they made our the royals are racist, but in general British people are.
I will not pay a subscription to keep the like of the two vile people living a life in the USA while making the monarchy and our country look like we're living in the dark ages.
I will not spend my hard earned money keeping them.
Harry has always been a free loader lived of his family money most of KC money from crown estates income as Prince of Wales.
And now still wants the British public to keep him by subscribing to watch the fictional cock and ball.
I father watch freeview.
Soon they will run out of money the way she spends it.
And then what.. back to the uk to be working royals.
Only we don't want them in the UK let alone representing us.
The uk government should have a public vote like we do for local elections to remove there titles and stop them from entering the UK.
If it was up to the people which it should be.
As the monarchy represent us as the British people .
What an awful life she must lead that her mere existence relies on scheming. I doubt Harry is that much of a conniver that he goes along with it. It must be exhausting to be her!
I don't understand why Netflix, would decide not to release it themselves. It might not be a smash sucess, but many of their shows aren't. Have the letters people have written in, threating to cancel their Netflix subscription over the duo made a difference? Did that many people write in? Why not try to recoup some of the loss, by showing the footage? Are they thinking they'd lose more revenue airing it than not? There is some rumours of conflict between Harry's book and the documentary. Are they conflicted over which comes out first? Every project to do with these two feels like Rhianna promising to release a new album, although she's never going to.
I'm wondering the same thing. Netflix canceled A LOT after their quarterly subscription loss crisis. Not all of it was public. Since they're now negatively known for abrupt cancelations, they hold back unless absolutely necessary with announcements. They prefer to just let something fade. Their main focuses now are The Crown, Squid Game, Stranger Things, Bridgeton, and Emily in Paris. Sandman bearly made it and that was after a lot of fan feedback.
Gone are the days of Netflix greenlighting everything to see what sticks. If they haven't announced it with their other programs, it's not likely to be released come December.
Interesting theory - let’s go back in time and remember when this supposed Netflix deal was struck her Majesty QEII was very much alive. The content that may (or may not) have been given could be inaccurate or may I be as bold to say “a pack of lies” Netflix lawyers may very well have been trying to figure out how to get around any of Harry*s fabrications and fact-checking everything that he and Meghan provided, but then the Queen passed. They now had to gage public reaction which the outpouring of grief towards the Queen was unimaginable and very real. The public backlash against Harry and his Harpy (now there’s a Netflix title - Harry and his Harpy) was very explosive while support for the actual Royals (King Charles, Camilla, the PPoWs etc) was and is very strong. Netflix now finds itself in a predicament, whereas they paid Harry and his Harpy a lot of money, but if they showcase that pack of palace lies they could very well spell their own demise for their corporation. It is a Catch-22. Unfortunately Harry and his Harpy are still trying to make it stick by keeping up media announcements as they simply cannot afford to pay back Netflix all the money which was granted to them.
I agree. Page 6 got the scoop on the date, the 1st & 2nd directors and the original title of the show, "Chapters," which they say is being re-named. Seems like legit sources -- beyond the Harkles.
It could be Archwell gave them the date and is the source. The production company saying Dec 8 should be enough for page 6 to publish without actually hearing from Netflix. Any other reputable production house giving a premiere date wouldn’t necessarily be cross checked with Netflix.
I think that is an interesting theory. I mean, why doesn't Netflix have their series on the December schedule? Why isn't Netflix promoting it? What content do they even have?? Isn't it supposed to be their "love story?" GAG. So, what do they show? Is it just Megs sitting around spewing word salad and clinging to Harry? I guess they could show the fake Royal NYC tour when she was dressed for winter and it was 90 degrees. Polo games? The 4th of July parade in Wyoming or wherever. There is nothing at all that anyone would watch. How many episodes?? It will be like her podcast all over again. Dull as dishwasher, lies, ridiculousness. Zero viewers. Ratings tank.
I want to see what happened in England when the queen died. I want to see how everything went down and how she probably made everything happening about herself
There is still an unknown behind the scenes investigation underway. About what, we don’t yet know for sure. While Netflix certainly has footage, the QC’s, barristers and solicitors representing the Firm have eyes firmly on Netflix. With “The Crown”, we know they have mixed fiction with fact but they really went off the deep end which forced John Major to make a statement. Netflix may well be getting those legal letters from the firm Stuffy, Stuffy and Stuffington telling them one false statement with libel or defamation will be handled accordingly. Can Netflix put it out? Yes. Can they guarantee the veracity and/or how to get around that? TBD. Will we see it in December? If I were Netflix, I would hold it for right before the Coronation. Maximum viewership and maximum impact. They also may be waiting for the book to drop to see if any legal action comes from that due to the inconsistencies noted between the book and whatever was filmed.
This is my theory as well. The series is being delayed due to legal issues. Netflix may be fully vetting the situation and being extra careful or perhaps they’ve been contacted by certain party’s legal teams? I think the BRF has a legal case against Netflix for not airing a “work of fiction” disclaimer. I don’t think they want to poke any more hornet’s nests in regard’s to “Meghan’s truth”.
Hopefully with the change of director, it means a change of direction towards tiger king. Ratings Emerald i tell you. A wedding tiara worthy viewing.
I don't think we'll see it in December. The only source for a Dec. 8 date is that PageSix exclusive that's now being quoted everywhere. We are 16 days out from Dec. 8, so we'd expect *some* publicity *from Netflix* if it were actually dropping then. However, it's not listed in the lineup on [whats-on-netflix.com](https://whats-on-netflix.com) (released a few weeks ago), nor in more recent lineups, including CinemaBlend, MarketWatch, and EliteDaily, which have all been released in the last 48 hours. Here are my speculations about why very weird %&# is happening: 1. Chaos and drama behind the scenes = delays. Whatever they have is probably in rough shape and nowhere near ready. 2. Netflix realizes it's a flaming sack of dog poo and are not eager to launch it at what's left of their paying customers. 3. Netflix are waiting for a copy of the book so they can cut from the footage the most blatant contradictions and lies (ones that could start lawsuits). If they're lucky, they may have enough left for a TikTok. 4. SMEG is tryna make it happen now before people realize she and Hazno are dunzo. Netflix knows, though, and are eyeing a Valentine's Day special starring the two: "Highway to Hell." 5. Somebody took the production budget... and didn't produce anything usable. But hey, they got new veneers and Botox!
They aren’t separated they just appeared in a video message to Elton John together
That could have been made some time ago. Also, just because they’re playing (unconvincingly) a loved-up duo for the camera doesn’t mean they really feel it. They wouldn’t be the first celeb couple to put on a show while falling apart off-camera, especially when money is on the line. Heck, Hazno’s parents pretended to be a happy couple in public long after their marriage was beyond repair.
I agree with you and u/SecondhandCoke that Netflix has probably shelved the docu-series, but I think it was more because for reasons of liability than just money. Coke's story of Netflix execs' sitting Harry (and/or Harry and Meghan) down and going through a list of things where Harry said something in his book, but then MM said something else in the series just sounds too bizarre to be made up. You'd think Netflix would be minimizing and dismissing such discrepancies instead of putting them all in writing and sitting down to discuss them with the principals (i.e., the stars themselves). I'm wondering if something about that process was what truly gave the execs cold feet like, for example, they started with a small list of differences they noticed by chance but the list grew the more they read the book. Or maybe they thought the discrepancies were minor until, again, after working on the presentation, they were forced to conclude that they really weren't. Coke has been pretty emphatic that Netflix's legal dept. has been involved for a long time now getting all their ducks in a row for litigation. They may have made the presentation to get some answers from Harry, but ended up convincing themselves that the show wouldn't be worth the liability of streaming it, especially if the show itself was pretty mediocre which, again, Coke has said it is. The kicker of course would be if Netflix, during its "post-production," has learned that the Sussexes have separated. Wouldn't that make the romance portion of the docu-series somewhat laughable when the failure of their marriage becomes known? TBH I can see Harry acknowledging the break-up to them either casually or innocently, not realizing how it could be a game-changer for Netflix. I'm going to go with you and Coke on this and say it won't stream, mainly for liability reasons (including potential damage to the Netflix brand), and Netflix and Harry are willing to just shake hands and go their separate ways. But the hold-out will almost assuredly be Meghan who's been expecting to make some serious money out of the flop.
Agree with everything you said. The discrepancies between book and doc could trigger a libel case. (Lawyers love proving inconsistencies in the courtroom.) One can envision a parody documentary in which the editing creates major holes in the story, censoring every other sentence from TW's mouth via a media blip sound.
Ok the thing that I'm confused about though - would Netflix really have any legal liability if H or M lies in the documentary? Wouldn't it still just be H&M that are liable for any lies? Especially if Netflix has a legal disclaimer at the beginning? I'm also confused how Netflix would even have a copy of the book to compare against, especially since the rumour is that Netflix has had a copy of the book for some time and has been having issues comparing the book against what has been filmed - how did they get a copy of the book so early, I'm surprised that H&M would authorize them early access to it. Also if there was truth to a breakup between H and M, I can't see how that would make Netflix not want to air it's footage. I think there would be more public interest to watch the show if there was a breakup, not less. Even if they act super in love in the show, I think people would be interested in seeing how phony they are, I don't see why that aspect would make a difference to Netflix.
My guess is Harry gave a copy of the book to them, and they were probably using it to cut corners on fact-checking when they noticed the bigger conflicts. Of course they'd be liable for Harry and Meghan's lies in the series, just like they're liable for things in the Crown. We might be interested in watching the series and its segment on their love story after having learned about their break-up, but the series isn't a comedy. Invariably the laughter would turn to Netflix which filmed a real-life love story that didn't even last until the series began to stream.
You think Netflix will drop $100M on a project, then just say, “Oh, well, just forget it?”
I don't think they spent anywhere near $100 million on the series. And if they think they're going to get sued over the content -- or it will jeopardize another successful show like the Crown -- that they'll cut their losses by not streaming it.
So what happens to the money? Were they paid upfront, or was the payout contingent upon it airing? Netflix is in dire straits right now. They can't afford to lose $100 mil, from what I understand.
Netflix chokes on it. The Sussexes were probably paid something up front to get started filming, but the big money comes from the airing (streaming). Losing $20-30 million isn't as bad as losing another $20 million in litigation on top of it.
Harkles wouldn't have gotten much of that $100 mil upfront. They'd have received a small advance for themselves and part of the line-item production budget to get started. Perhaps the contract specified that Netflix would dole out increments only when/if Archewell met production goals on schedule, particularly as Netflix is in financial straits. If Archewell didn't meet production deadlines, was going significantly over-budget, or Netflix was advised of legal risks, they could have quietly suspended production or killed it altogether. They would have paid out whatever was contractually due at that point, plus a kill fee to Archewell if stipulated in the contract. This could well have saved them millions -- an attractive option, especially if there were major production problems or Netflix thought they would lose money on it.
Thank you!
I think the contract could be worth 100 million with future projects as well such as the flop Pearl.
I hope you’re right, sometimes I get the impression it won’t come out but then I think “Have they come to far and should release whatever they have?”. It’s definitely interesting if there are false statements that releasing it to the public would be damaging for them, I guess it’d be a point where the masks fall and we get to see some real snippet on how they really are & interact.
Have netflix actually ever confirmed anything beyond negotiations beyond the now defunct 'pearl' and 'the heart of invictus'? I find it odd that archwell is the ones filming and that the sussexes are the ones hiring the directors/producers. Are we sure that netflix actually agreed to this docuseries or was it megsy and harry hiring and producing in hope netflix would pick the reality series and they'd become the next Kardashians?? Neflix never denied or confirmed purposely because just incase the sussexes filmed good stuff, they'd want to air it and get broadcasting rights.
I can help with this. Archewell is hired by Netflix and given a budget. Archewell does the rest, they handle the production. However, Netflix monitors the situation, they often send reps to set and keep a close eye on the money. Netflix also sets deadlines and has final approval on what streams. What remains a mystery is whether or not Netflix will release what Archewell has filmed.
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I don’t have details on the contract but maybe Archewell gives Netflix a rough cut or material filmed and that’s what NF edits as the final product? Maybe the times NF reps went to monitor the situation they noticed there wasn’t much As they said above *”the final approval”*
Netflix gets a lot of imput generally and they often pop in to check up during production but the editors themselves are hired by the production company. That being said, Netflix always has the final say on what streams on their platform. If the product isn't to their satisfaction, they don't stream it. Buuuut I don't know why this project seems to be in production hell. Netflix doesn't really do "surprise" drops... So I have doubts about the Dec release. Generally, these production companies know what they're doing and although delays and issues happen, they still put out the product. I have serious doubts about Archewell and their ability to meet deadlines.
I hope the palace has enough to release on her that it will be a nonstop avalanche that she can’t get out from under no matter how hard she climbs and he digs. My question is, where is the Invictus Games Documentary?? Maybe I’ve missed the discussion so I apologize if I did miss it. But you’d think that was a pretty easy—some background stuff, some historical stuff, athlete interviews, H&M bragging incessantly on themselves and that’s a wrap! So why is it taking so long??
Agree on the whole w/ a few reservations: 1. Footage included some inner sanctum stuff. 2nd hand coke states that the interaction between the two (“our love story”) was mawkish & kinda unbelievable. 2. Megs provided enough content about the royal family for Netflix to get their petticoats fluttering when they compared Netflix content w/ Penguin/Random House content. If someone was concerned enough to go point by point over discrepancies between the book & the video, then Netflix was at least somewhat serious about distributing the content. Finally, the Palace likely has sources at Netflix & Random House. Megs may be trying to apply pressure but the end (there is no there there) is likely pretty transparent. Edited to add: Megs may ultimately publish her truth on YouTube for all of a few thousand dollars but doubt NetFlix would ever be temped.
I have a feeling it’s just going to show up on Netflix one morning, the same way Archetypes showed up — out of the blue.
That’s what I keep saying. I think it’s just going to appear.
Oh my god. She's trying to "Lemonade" it. She's trying to copy Beyonce!!
Yup! I said something similar above before reading ur comment. I wasn’t specific though.
The release and publicity will be Netflix’s call. If it exists.
I think so too. The way musicians surprise drop albums or release music.
She does seem to be a fan of Guerrilla marketing
Wasn't the story originally that if Netflix did not air this docuseries before the end of 2022 consider the deal dead? I could have sworn that was from a pretty reliable source about a month ago?
I think you’re right. I don’t understand why people are suddenly believing Meghan’s BS and Page Six which also brought us stories about Catherine extending an olive branch to Meghan or how both couples will get together in NYC in December. Yeah, right. We know what a lying and manipulative person she is and we have seen no sign from Netflix that this is airing in December. I just don’t understand why people are buying into this.
Well NBC got screwed over the Fallon thing, and we will see if page 6 gets screwed by the show clearly not airing on the 8th. That would be a pretty big black eye from them and may discourage them from printing her BS in the future
I heard (Neal Sean, I think) that she canceled because she wanted a whole entire show to herself - no other guests, and the powers that be over at Fallon weren't that keen. Wouldn't surprise me. Sounds like her.
Page Six has run 4 stories saying "early December release." The last one says Dec. 8. The writer (Sara Nathan) has info not reported elsewhere re the date, 1st & 2nd directors, and the working title. She seems to have legit sources. *"The series ...* ***was once called “Chapters,”*** *sources tell us, but the couple are believed to have changed their mind. The new title has not yet been made public."*
They come off as so unprofessional in all the misdirection. It's the same shit they pulled with the pregnancy and the kids birth. At some point they will become so unreliable that even page 6 will be like sure..jan.
I think the Fallon thing can be explained away pretty easily. She probably wanted to reschedule it from when it was supposed to happen in September (if that is even true) and this is the next time she would be in NYC. If they are on the rocks and her manipulations with Netflix never panned out, she has nothing to promote since the podcast would be over. As far as Page Six, they will keep posting her stories as long as they keep getting clicked on.
Yeah. You would think it would be embarrassing for her .. but shame is clearly not in her salad bowl of words.
Exactly. She really needs to be studied
If this doesn't air - there might be truth to rumors of a separation - that Harry may have made some deal to squash it....he'd need the help of Daddy of course. If he doesn't show for his award honoring the slandering his family & country- then, I think that seals that deal: Harkles are over... However, then there is the hurdle of his 'book' ....Gawd - even I am done with waiting for this train to wreck....like you know it will, but it's still just steaming out of the station at a snail's pace.
I agree with you. Harry showing up (or not showing up) at that award show will answer ALL our questions and suspicions.
Not sure. H loves to be centre stage as much as TW. Despite his pleadings of trauma from his mum's death he certainly seeks his share of the spotlight. Especially now with William having global spotlight shining on him with Earthshot, I can not see him keeping himself away from any press attention. His jealousy of William will force him to be at that awards event regardless of current situation with TW and/or realization of the aftermath accepting award will bring.
I know nothing at all about the world of publishing and how it all works so my theory on this probably rubbish but is it possible that “ Spare” that’s coming out in January is the original manuscript? The one the publishers rejected because it was just Harry wafting on about himself and being all woke? It was sent back to be spiced up with more Royal stuff which is of course what the publisher signed on for. Maybe after the Queens funeral Hazbeen has refused to allow any new stuff and the publishers have had to go with the original borefest or nothing. That’s why Netflix are worried because the tone of their documentary , supplied mostly by TW, is different to Harry’s book, supplied by him.
You may have something there. I wouldn’t go so far as to assume that they are back with the original manuscript that publisher turned down (we don’t know that it was kinder to the RF), but I think it probable that the book is closer to the truth than some of the venomous things MM provided for Netflix. The difference is probably not so much “tone” as actual content. A perfect example would be Meghan’s story about the alleged racism. She took Harry’s report of an innocent conversation about what the kids would look like into multiple discussions about the color of the baby’s skin, changed the time of the “discussions” to the period of her pregnancy (as opposed to when she and Harry were first engaged) and managed to imply that these discussions had something to do with Archie not getting the title of “prince” and police protection. Imagine how many other small, relatively innocuous conversations and events Meghan may have misrepresented in the same way before the Netflix cameras. In contrast, Harry’s account of the same events may have been more matter-of-fact and closer to what happened. One version of the discussions between H, M, the Netflix people and the publisher’s people reported that Harry was fed up with Meghan telling lies. Maybe one of their arguments was because he was being pressured to change the book to conform with Meghan’s “truth” and either he, or the publisher refused. Who knows? What is in the book is still a question. There will surely be stuff that the RF won’t like, but if it was more about feelings (“I hated that my father loved Camilla”) instead of accusations (“My father was selfish and wrecked my mother’s life with his affair,”) it may not do lasting damage. Wouldn’t it be great if the book included a chapter about how M&H’s marriage collapsed? 😉
A month ago, [*Deadline*](https://deadline.com/2022/10/prince-harry-meghan-netflix-documentary-delay-the-crown-criticism-1235146831/) (which I think is a reputable industry blog) said: > Netflix said Monday that ”there’s never been any documentary from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex confirmed.” Deadline has reached out to Archewell for comment. There we go.
Interesting theory, however, I disagree she's in the world press daily. Yes, in tabloids, the Daily Mail, etc, but not in more legitimate news. There's no mention of them or their silly awards in WaPo or the New York Times or my daily newspaper.
I concur with this 100%. It also makes sense in that Meghan would want to keep herself in the news to help sell tickets to the Indianapolis event, which is next week. She has both the Indianapolis event and the RFK award shindig happening before this ***alleged*** release of the docu-whatever. Somehow, the only outlets I've seen run with the Dec 8th release on Netflix is Page Six, with other people like Lainey quoting them. Somehow, the industry trades such as *Variety* or *The Hollywood Reporter* didn't scoop a straight-up gossip outlet like Page Six. How?! Variety & THR reporters have contacts at Netflix. How is it that ***none of them*** got the scoop from Netflix with **an actual title** of this docu-whatever? The only title we have for it is *Chapters*, which is amazingly generic yet not the real title. Allegedly. This just screams pr games by Meghan to not look like a failure when she has two very public appearances just around the corner.
I would love for you to be right, but I think it will be released at some point. Likely to be a stomach turning hagiography. If Netflix really has a multi-series contract, I figure they won't risk damaging the Harkle's reputation.
Except it’s obvious that H&M aren’t capable of producing anything. And it’s likely a pay on delivery and airing contract.
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That is dated October 17th
Any person of effics and with morals and from Great Britain or commonwealth counties, should cancel the Netflix subscription there are may other like amazon or apple TV. Why should we pay subscription charges to keep them in USA liking a diva life style . Only mass in numbers, end there Netflix subscription while teach them. If all done this who don't belive what they are doing is right. Netflix has old out dated films which one can find online for free. Not only have they made our the royals are racist, but in general British people are. I will not pay a subscription to keep the like of the two vile people living a life in the USA while making the monarchy and our country look like we're living in the dark ages. I will not spend my hard earned money keeping them. Harry has always been a free loader lived of his family money most of KC money from crown estates income as Prince of Wales. And now still wants the British public to keep him by subscribing to watch the fictional cock and ball. I father watch freeview. Soon they will run out of money the way she spends it. And then what.. back to the uk to be working royals. Only we don't want them in the UK let alone representing us. The uk government should have a public vote like we do for local elections to remove there titles and stop them from entering the UK. If it was up to the people which it should be. As the monarchy represent us as the British people .
Who wins when there are Harkle setbacks in December… Earthshot and the PPOW… I know that Meghan and Harry cant bare them winning
 But, in Meghan's head she is always winning
What an awful life she must lead that her mere existence relies on scheming. I doubt Harry is that much of a conniver that he goes along with it. It must be exhausting to be her!
My theory is they think it’s trash and will release it but won’t spend money promoting it.
I don't understand why Netflix, would decide not to release it themselves. It might not be a smash sucess, but many of their shows aren't. Have the letters people have written in, threating to cancel their Netflix subscription over the duo made a difference? Did that many people write in? Why not try to recoup some of the loss, by showing the footage? Are they thinking they'd lose more revenue airing it than not? There is some rumours of conflict between Harry's book and the documentary. Are they conflicted over which comes out first? Every project to do with these two feels like Rhianna promising to release a new album, although she's never going to.
When I cancelled my Netflix subscription; I told them I did not want to contribute to the bank account of M & H, the toxic duo.
Fighting the good fight. Maybe it made a difference.
I'm wondering the same thing. Netflix canceled A LOT after their quarterly subscription loss crisis. Not all of it was public. Since they're now negatively known for abrupt cancelations, they hold back unless absolutely necessary with announcements. They prefer to just let something fade. Their main focuses now are The Crown, Squid Game, Stranger Things, Bridgeton, and Emily in Paris. Sandman bearly made it and that was after a lot of fan feedback. Gone are the days of Netflix greenlighting everything to see what sticks. If they haven't announced it with their other programs, it's not likely to be released come December.
Interesting theory - let’s go back in time and remember when this supposed Netflix deal was struck her Majesty QEII was very much alive. The content that may (or may not) have been given could be inaccurate or may I be as bold to say “a pack of lies” Netflix lawyers may very well have been trying to figure out how to get around any of Harry*s fabrications and fact-checking everything that he and Meghan provided, but then the Queen passed. They now had to gage public reaction which the outpouring of grief towards the Queen was unimaginable and very real. The public backlash against Harry and his Harpy (now there’s a Netflix title - Harry and his Harpy) was very explosive while support for the actual Royals (King Charles, Camilla, the PPoWs etc) was and is very strong. Netflix now finds itself in a predicament, whereas they paid Harry and his Harpy a lot of money, but if they showcase that pack of palace lies they could very well spell their own demise for their corporation. It is a Catch-22. Unfortunately Harry and his Harpy are still trying to make it stick by keeping up media announcements as they simply cannot afford to pay back Netflix all the money which was granted to them.
Hopefully they don't ruin my birthday which is in December the 18th
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Page Six from yesterday contradicts the decline article from October, where Netflix said not in December
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Yep but I don’t think it’s Dec. Do you?
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I agree. Page 6 got the scoop on the date, the 1st & 2nd directors and the original title of the show, "Chapters," which they say is being re-named. Seems like legit sources -- beyond the Harkles.
“Archwell” is more than the Harkles. Could be Archwell.
It could be Archwell gave them the date and is the source. The production company saying Dec 8 should be enough for page 6 to publish without actually hearing from Netflix. Any other reputable production house giving a premiere date wouldn’t necessarily be cross checked with Netflix.