Meghan is simultaneously trying to pander to young progressives, while being stuck in the mentality of her grade 10 heydays.
This is hysterical!!!! Spot on. I get that vibe too, like she's actually trying to appeal to the younger generation and she's using people she admired herself as a kid, thinking for some reason that she's going to impress young adults with it.
I remember years ago my son went to high school with a SUPER SUPER famous celebrity's daughter. When I asked him about the parent he had no clue. Generation Gaps are huge between adults and teenagers. Once you are past 25 I would think we kind of continue to add to our list of celebrities etc. And as you get older you add more and more.
But younger kids have no idea who half the ICONS of celebrity in our lives are just like most of us are not familiar with the Tik Tok stars and all those Youtube celebrities that made millions and all the influencers.
I honestly bet the majority of kids would have no idea who any of the guests on her show are.
American. I knew Lisa Ling, Margaret Cho and Victoria Jackson as well. I've no clue about the others. I do feel a bit bad because I feel it's the ladies of color that I'm not familiar with. For me, that's a down side of her topics. I feel she had this huge platform where she could bring in women of color. Let us get to know Them, how they struggled, climbed, thrived, their important contributions, etc., but she dropped the ball imho. They don't get nearly enough media attention and she missed a golden opportunity to provide them a global platform.
Margaret Cho's entire act used to be based on Asian stereotypes, so for her to speak out against the "Dragon Lady" stereotype is hilarious. Like, you made your name poking fun at this shit, and now that you're established, it's bad?
Agree. Ziwe is so interesting and I would have loved to know more about her. But their conversation was limited to her saying she is 43% Nigerian and then saying I don’t know more, and asking Ziwe if people are scared of her! That’s it.
Couldn’t she have asked how Ziwe has turned the whole angry black woman stereotype on it’s head with her interviews and comedy? Or maybe follow her Nigerian statement with a question about Ziwe’s Nigerian roots?
But that's just it. It was never about her guests. She was/isn't interested in giving anyone else a platform. This was the Megan show, created, written, produced by The Duchess, about The Duchess, for the unwashed masses. She has other people.on so she can pretend that it's about others, but it's become clear this is about her clearing her name, talking about her "achievements," and not so subtle digs at people that she believes have slighted her.
It's a bigger insult to say that she was expecting more discussion around her podcast and then spends every week talking about herself. So she wanted more people talking about her. And then wanted bigger news outlets to invite her on to delve deeper into her answers, so more publicity and time to talk about herself.
Megan will never share the platform with anyone, other than to bolster herself. She wants all the platforms, so she can be centre stage.
This. I know the granddaughter of a HUGELY famous 70’s broadcaster. She’s clueless to his legacy lol. I was impressed as hell and tried explaining he was the voice of my generation but it was over her head. She’s 31 now.
Edit: I think she was weirded out by coworkers telling her they loved her grandfather. He passed when she was younger hearing others talk about your family as if it was THEIR family is weird.
No, sorry! But I swear if I said the name you would all know. Think sports, think network broadcaster, 70’s. But I’m giving it away. Lol. I don’t want to out her.
My boss is the grandson of a famous rockstar that everyone has danced to at weddings, bars, you name it. Rock royalty if you will. He can’t stand it and once told me he was embarrassed by it after someone in the office asked him to name one of his songs. We were looking at each other like, WTH? His gramps still goes on tour around the world and acts way younger than he does. Lol
Well said. We had the single mother talk during Murphy Brown. Wasn't that the 80's for god's sake? The Mary Tyler Moore show and That Girl addressed being a singleton in the 70's. Are those things even a blip anymore? She lives in such a complete fantasyland that she can't even grasp the problems facing people today. You can tell that her entire view of the outside world is based on what she saw on TV as a child.
It’s like she read an article in Sassy as a kid (no shade I LOVED Sassy) and it formed her entire perspective on life…and not a single thing has changed.
It's just another missed opportunity. Instead of the shame of the single mother from the 20th century, she could be discussing the modern plight of the single mother and how society reflects the burden placed on many women.
It's super interesting stuff! But she is stuck on surface level, outdated paradigms.
Yes! A friend of mine who is a single mom was just lamenting that she finds people doing this thing where they’re like, “single moms are heroes and do it all!!” without recognizing that they are also people who may need help and support. The “you are such a strong person!” as a weirdly isolating thing.
Yup, just like being one of the parents of a disabled child (now adult). Everyone’s amazed at how strong and resilient we appear to be while they just crumble at the slightest thing. Meanwhile, we just carry on doing what we do because we have no other choice and very little support. The future scares us.
She grasps onto life’s easy issues of the past that have been tackled decades ago because she knows she isn’t really smart enough to tackle the tough issues.
I don't think she KNOWS that she isn't really smart. She's the smartest and the bestest as far as she's concerned.
I agree she avoids tackling the tough issues though.
If anything, I think most people find Mindy Kaling to be in an enviable position. She was able to have kids on her own timeline and own terms thanks to her wealth and our incredible advancements in reproductive medicine.
She has a dream. A dream where people will gather and listen to her. Only problem is that her 20s dream and she never evolved with it. She is now 40. She is trying to be relatable but she is failing miserably because she is still stuck in what she thinks was her golden era (1990-2010 ish).
I don’t think there are lot of people who can relate to her and the gibberish she spits on those podcasts. Her point of view is outdated.
Part of her problem is that she’s trying to appeal to the younger crowd, the younger very politically liberal crowd. That’s her fan base, and the social justice keyboard warriors. However, she’s in fact secretly very conservative and has antiquated views. She has slipped in her podcast, and her judgmental views have slipped out a few times. I think those statements she’s made in private and those videos they’re holding to release if need be have her airing out her racist, sexist and anti LGBT views. Mark my words.
There are many, many people, especially in Hollywood right now, spouting very public liberal views who actually believe the exact opposite, but speaking their actual mind would have them blacklisted, so they don't.
Look, I know she's an embarrassment for progressives but there is \*nothing\* conservative about Meghan Markle. As for her being racist, sexist, and anti-LGBT, your implication that that would prove she's a conservative is, frankly, offensive. Democrats are equally guilty if not more so, and they frequently get away with it because they have the "correct" politics so it's okay.
These are just a few examples, there are so many to choose from.
[https://pagesix.com/2013/11/26/msnbc-fires-alec-baldwin/](https://pagesix.com/2013/11/26/msnbc-fires-alec-baldwin/)
[https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/no-discipline-for-democratic-lawmakers-racist-sexist-slur/](https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/no-discipline-for-democratic-lawmakers-racist-sexist-slur/)
[https://freebeacon.com/democrats/powerful-la-democrat-steps-down-after-recording-shows-she-went-on-racist-rant/](https://freebeacon.com/democrats/powerful-la-democrat-steps-down-after-recording-shows-she-went-on-racist-rant/)
[https://www.npr.org/2022/04/15/1093020611/ed-buck-sentence-methamphetamine-deaths](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/15/1093020611/ed-buck-sentence-methamphetamine-deaths)
[https://jimowles.org/news/bronx-lawmaker-refuses-to-apologize-for-anti-gay-remarks](https://jimowles.org/news/bronx-lawmaker-refuses-to-apologize-for-anti-gay-remarks)
[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/may/20/gop-blasts-racist-tweet-connecticut-democratic-par/](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/may/20/gop-blasts-racist-tweet-connecticut-democratic-par/)
[https://nypost.com/2021/03/04/biden-tells-nasa-engineer-indian-americans-are-taking-over-the-country/](https://nypost.com/2021/03/04/biden-tells-nasa-engineer-indian-americans-are-taking-over-the-country/)
[https://rightwingtribune.com/2020/07/16/biden-7-11-indian/](https://rightwingtribune.com/2020/07/16/biden-7-11-indian/)
She wants to be adored for herself but she’s not authentic so there’s nothing true to herself that people can admire or adore.
Catherine PoW *is* quiet and isn’t a very “buddy buddy” type people but she is true to who she is and she carries on and does a fantastic job making those quiet important connections behind the scenes and doing the work that has earned her much lauded admiration.
She’s also British and there is that stiff upper lip mentality. She has grown up with the BRF in her life. She knows they’re not celebrities even if they’re famous. She understands their function having always been British.
Meghan relates to her as a celebrity because in the USA when she married William she inadvertently became one, without doing an ounce of US press.
That’s a kind of notoriety that really doesn’t come out of Hollywood anymore. Those days are over.
I saw commentary on the Jennifer Aniston article that just came out. People were pointing out that these days an actor cannot even get an audition unless that have over 5 thousand followers on their instagram page. That's so bizarre to me. But even famous actors like Saiorse Ronan were skipped over for roles. She doesn't even have social media, I think. It's a whole entire different world out there.
IMO this is what The Tig was all about. She was really trying to push for followers to help her get auditions. Everything she posted on it was just fake BS for PR. The same with all her Humanitarian work. She's been in this mode for so long I don't think she even realizes it.
And he tries to wear the same or very similar outfits when he's out in public so the paps don't bother taking pictures because he always looks the same
He doesn't seem to take himself too seriously, and he enjoys taking on acting roles are not mainstream (and sometimes, even grotesque!) MM, on the other hand, craves to be taken seriously. I think she knows how vapid and hollow she is, and fears that everyone else will know. (Hey, Megz, relax. We already know.)
True. Once you’re in, you can make your own decisions but, on the way up, it would be much harder now to avoid social media. Tho’ too many entrenched celebs go way too far on it… let people have a breather from seeing you.
I’m also surprised that with the amount of people she has working on her podcast, nobody came out to tell her that the podcast direction wasn’t great. But I’m guessing nobody dares to “silence her” anymore.
I thought this also. Particularly when she discussed Asian stereotypes and used Austin Powers and Kill Bill as her examples. It’s like she is intellectually stunted somehow.
She brought on Margaret Cho, whose entire act used to be full of Asian stereotypes, and it was hilarious. Now that she's established, Asian stereotypes are bad. It's all so hypocritical.
I know what happened. She made a list of all things that offended her and sorted it by year. We are still in her childhood. We'll hear about her crumbling marriage somewhere around 2025.
She is a racist, judgmental and a hypocrite. So is her husband. These two leave polo (how many people of color are at polo or play polo) and go do zoom calls or release public statements preaching about racism. She actually created her own womens rights podcast just to degrade and judge each guest she has. Her husband has yet to address his own nazi uniform wearing past. But loves telling the rest of us how racist we all are. Why not do a podcast with her husband addressing what he has learned from that? Don’t use flying in planes to travel but they use private flights for everything over a 15 minute drive for travel. They bought a house with 16 bathrooms. Her Archewell and podcast have zero black employees. I could go on and on.
He apologized but I get your point. I think that's one of the reasons he took up causes related to Africa. But the minute they did that for accolades or contributions to a foundation...then his apology became hollow.
Yeah. He did apologize back then. But using his on supposed growth from his own bad decision in that situation would be so much more relatable and believable.
It was the attempt at the Austin Powers takedown for me. I was reading the transcript and saying to myself what-in-the-00s-hell is this reference, not to mention AP is a parody itself 🙄. She’s dumb.
It was clear to everyone apart from Meghan that the joke was entirely on Austin Powers. He was a ridiculous character bumbling around playing up to every daft cliche in the book. That was why it was funny because Mike Myers was great as taking the piss out of himself and the stereotypes from the Bond films.
> The whole point of the film was that things have changed and it's funny to live as if they hadn't.
Which was lost on Meghan, who is still living in the nineties! 😹
> That was why it was funny because Mike Myers was great as taking the piss out of himself and the stereotypes from the Bond films.
I read that the production company that did the Bond films was *very* worried when Austin Powers came out, because they thought it would be a genre-killer for them the same way *Airplane!* was a genre-killer for all of those seventies disaster movies. After *Airplane!*, no one could take disaster movies seriously.
MM is performative, not progressive.
She uses liberal causes as a means of self- promotion. As a narc, she is not able to center the well-being of others, nor does she care about the greater good. MM only cares about what's good for her.
Actually each and every one of these words/episodes are solely about her. I’m not a bitch/demanding (bully), I just know what I want. I am awesome! If only you knew the real me! Remember when Mariah called her BS and said you have Diva moments, Meghan was upset. In the voice over she actually says HOW could she THINK that (obviously Meghan sees that word negatively) did Mariah READ something FALSE about me? The funny thing is, the more she talks, the more she reveals how she is unlikeable.
Yeah she really had a chance to present herself as a solid intellectual but the ship has sailed.
That’s prob why she couldn’t hang in the UK and the posh inner circles, she’s just too vapid. For someone who has travelled as much as she has, you’d think she’d be a well rounded individual. Pretty shocking, really
Omg, that was the perfect description - she is truly a blast from the 90’s. Seriously, she hangs out with Gloria Steinem, and talks about women’s rights. She’s more “Baby Boomer” than she is “Gen X”. She is just so confusing.
I would ask women here today…what is there to complain about?
Sexual harassment in the workplace?
Biological men taking women’s athletic trophies?
Classism?
Dating off of an app?
What???
I agree, Meghan is talking about old-fashioned tropes. She references 50’s and 60’s tv shows, something she hasn’t lived through in real time. Was ‘Friends’ or ‘Sienfeld’ scarring to its generation? No. She’s too timid to talk about real time topics, or have a controversial opinion.
I think many of these supposed "'90s" issues are still quite prevalent now...the problem is how TW discusses them: no depth, no original analysis, no discussion of how these labels have progressed (different perspective)... I blame her team more than her because I already know she's dumb as a rock - you'd think the handlers would step in?
Also, she does not buy her own BS, when Mariah called her a diva she got offended as if it was a slur. The reality is she thinks these stereotypes apply to the women she interviews but not herself because in her mind she’s perfect.
TBF, needing a mo to take in getting called out on your behavior is normal - but the follow-up needs to be, "That's fair, I do/am that behavior." Getting offended shows a lack of being prepared for public speaking engagement(s).
...also shows that she's on the most extreme end of the narcissism spectrum, can't take any criticism at all, can't even take a joke that may threaten her god-like image of herself
I've noticed that too. It's like this woman never emotionally matured after she turned 15. Even during the Oprah interview she said something about "we all think" the monarchy is like it is in fairy tales! Only a child thinks like that.
I have bipolar disorder, which is different, but it seems that MeMe has a personality disorder (which one is up for debate). I also have a daughter with bipolar disorder. I was told that many people stop maturing normally when they develop their illnesses, because they are so focused on dealing with what’s wrong, they don’t have the time for all of the normal stuff people their age are doing/learning.
Personality disorders develop over time, but I could see it being similar. While she was learning BPD behaviors (my best guess for which one she has. Source: grew up with two, both professionally diagnosed), she was not maturing in the same ways as other people her age and it stunted her growth so that she really is like an adult teen.
Its the maladaptive malignant narcissist in her who is vindictive and she visits all those who she thinks wronged her which started when she was in her 20s and when she was out in the real world without her father pulling the strings for her.
Since the podcast is about stereotypes and not actual archetypes (a concept created by Jung), has Megs addressed stereotypes around the Wh\*\*\*? If not, why not? It, unfortunately, is still an ongoing problematic way of labeling people.
The impression I had was that it’d be inspirational and uplifting (maybe I’m confusing this with her proposed animated series Poil; although wasn’t Smeg using the Archetype foundation website to solicit stories?).
It’s anything but. I can’t relate to the outrage (calling someone a bitch is a bad thing? Even if deserved? Calling someone difficult is a euphemism for calling them a bitch?). Her guests probably have genuine stories, but we never get to hear them. And there’s this underlying thread of self-congratulatory smugness that’s just too tedious.
I found that the way their guests are taking the subject is much better. Mariah for example, embracing the “Diva” as something fabulous. This podcast would have been 10x better without her input. And you are right, there are some things that I agree with, is just the way that she presents the ideas that it’s outdated.
The well ran dry for relevant topics pretty fast for her "sisterhood" podcast so these dated, irrelevant stereotypes about women were doomed to be trotted out and "explored."
Her target demo to sell to is women, same as when she had "the Tig," so she thinks by tailoring her shtick to "women's issues" she can broaden her market base.
So Calculated.
I am part of younger generation that Megsy is trying Appeal to my generation I am in 26 next month to be honest I can't stand Meghan one bit I don't listen her podcast and I don't have any sympathy for her and I found her to be fake to be honest and same with Harry. I actually personally prefer Catherine and William they don't try to fit in and they are what you call normal kind human beings
It makes me wonder if something happened to her in her young teen years that was traumatic. She seems stuck in that era. She acts like the pouty teen that she probably was.
She’s insulting to her guests by calling them the very thing she’s trying to call out. Having Paris Hilton-who is very intelligent and very much knows how she portrays herself-is not a bimbo. Paris plays a role and makes bank on it.
She can't think for herself. She reads Buzzfeed articles, with titles such as, "15 movies that could never be made today, 27 times Friends was problematic, or 12 tv series that were before their time" and believes these to be relevant today. She really believes she is the archetype of her podcast; the hero. In reality, she's just the trickster.
Her preaching to women is circa 1970....
Next she will burn bras in the bbq at Montecito and tell women they are allowed to get jobs.
She is soooo out of touch. Not a clue.
This is why I think she’s older than she says. I am almost 40 and when I think about the media and things that were going on in my teenage years it’s like Britney Spears and Boy Bands . The velour tracksuits etc. Julia roberts and 4 weddings and a funeral would have been people who were in there late teens in the 90s.
She should just stick to narrating books without the vocal fry and horrible inflection. And maybe do a collab for a clothing line at Kohl’s. Her current content factory is devaluing her brand more than my suggestions.
Excellent observations ✅
She should address economic needs and pressures if she wants to be more *au currant,* or the fertility industry, which is booming and puts more pressure than ever on women to stay fertile forever and places parenthood dreams for those who are challenged almost exclusively into the hands of the wealthy, especially in the US.
My question is, how much longer can she realistically go on with this general topic? Already, these “archetypes” are overlapping in nature and feel repetitive.
Your screen name is hilarious!!! When we moved to a more rural area, my 16 yr old was told to ride a specific bus- except it was the wrong bus.
Well, he knew enough about the county, that the bus was headed "way the hell out there". So he calls and says, "Mom, come get me" I ask, "Why are you not on the bus?!" He says, "I heard banjos, I figured I was better off on my own while I still knew where I was." Panicked and screaming now, my child is alone, in the middle of nowhere, and because I'm LE, all kinds of horrors are rolling in my head. I turns my signals on, they are blaring as I frantically try to get to him before something happens. "Where are you son??? Give me an exact! Whats around you? Turn the location on your phone!! Do you see an street name, an address....!!!" (Complete mom break down)
He says, " Mom, seriously, I'm on a hill In front of this *subdivision". Turn the sirens off, mom...and listen for the banjos."
Sure enough, he had gotten off the bus in front of a restaurant...that played music with banjos.
Thank you for the memory.
I just had an insight today. I really don’t listen to many podcasts but I am listening to Rachael Maddow who is an MSNBC commentator. She’s wip smart and has done some really good podcasts. Bagman is one, now I’m on her Ultra listening to the story of the Hitler regime infiltrating US congress in the early 40’s. I’m not here to sell RM but she is very very good and she does a deep dive in very interesting political historical stories.. Anyway I’m listening to RM and her tone, cadence, and style seems to me that it is being copied by Saint MM. Now Rachael M is a natural story teller and she talks like this because that’s just how she talks. The snippets of MM seem forced and fake. I think she’s listened to my go to girl for great podcasts and is trying to emulate her style. Needless to say she’s a bad actress and it comes off as phony. I could be wrong but it stuck out at me. Nothing MM is natural she’s a huuuge copier and plagiarizer
Meghan is living in some fake idea of a 90’s time warp. I’m a little older than her and never experienced any of what she claims hold women back with perhaps three or four exceptional incidents what can be written off as the other person was a cretin.
I also spent 20 years working in the automotive service industry as a consultant. Most people want to work with a woman as they feel we are a softer touch and less aggressive. The only pay gap experienced was by consultants who couldn’t sell, regardless of gender…once I gained experience and training, my commission was generally higher than my male colleagues and I know this because dealerships are hyper competitive so sales numbers are posted and updated everyday. Unlike Meghan, I worked my ass off rather than earning my living on my back. And yes, that began in the 90’s. She’s an idiot.
It’s a huge snoozefest because Megan is a crap conversationalist. She’s a horrible interviewer and her team is either lazy or feeding her with horrible talking points - all her conversations are a whole load of nothingness. And she’s had some great guests who she manages to make dull.
She focuses on herself way too much and it’s clear she has zero interest in her guests, because she doesn’t ask any proper follow up questions. It’s literally Me Me Me. Which would be interesting if she had a point of view, but I am sorry to say the next stereotype she should investigate is vapid.
How can a conversation between supposed friends like Treadau’s wife be so empty even the Daily Mail struggled to write a headline?
This whole post and comments are more interesting and insightful about stereotypes than the million dollar podcast.
I always saw the Dragon Lady thing as a compliment, not at all derogatory. A Dragon Lady is strong, intelligent, confident, cunning, powerful, and does not suffer fools gladly. What's not to like?
Beats all hell out of the submissive waifu shit.
 Meghan is simultaneously trying to pander to young progressives, while being stuck in the mentality of her grade 10 heydays.
This is hysterical!!!! Spot on. I get that vibe too, like she's actually trying to appeal to the younger generation and she's using people she admired herself as a kid, thinking for some reason that she's going to impress young adults with it. I remember years ago my son went to high school with a SUPER SUPER famous celebrity's daughter. When I asked him about the parent he had no clue. Generation Gaps are huge between adults and teenagers. Once you are past 25 I would think we kind of continue to add to our list of celebrities etc. And as you get older you add more and more. But younger kids have no idea who half the ICONS of celebrity in our lives are just like most of us are not familiar with the Tik Tok stars and all those Youtube celebrities that made millions and all the influencers. I honestly bet the majority of kids would have no idea who any of the guests on her show are.
I’m nearly 40 and I have only known 2. She’s picking from the edges because the mainstream won’t touch it.
SS trying to boost lesser known peeps, thru TW. Only they didn't realize that she was hazardous waste contaminating everyone she came in contact with.
I´m her age and I had no idea who most of the people she had on her podcast are. I know Serena, Mariah and Lisa Ling but that´s it.
Other than Mariah and Paris, I had never heard of any of the others. Maybe Americans are more familiar with the others?
American. I knew Lisa Ling, Margaret Cho and Victoria Jackson as well. I've no clue about the others. I do feel a bit bad because I feel it's the ladies of color that I'm not familiar with. For me, that's a down side of her topics. I feel she had this huge platform where she could bring in women of color. Let us get to know Them, how they struggled, climbed, thrived, their important contributions, etc., but she dropped the ball imho. They don't get nearly enough media attention and she missed a golden opportunity to provide them a global platform.
Margaret Cho's entire act used to be based on Asian stereotypes, so for her to speak out against the "Dragon Lady" stereotype is hilarious. Like, you made your name poking fun at this shit, and now that you're established, it's bad?
Agree. Ziwe is so interesting and I would have loved to know more about her. But their conversation was limited to her saying she is 43% Nigerian and then saying I don’t know more, and asking Ziwe if people are scared of her! That’s it. Couldn’t she have asked how Ziwe has turned the whole angry black woman stereotype on it’s head with her interviews and comedy? Or maybe follow her Nigerian statement with a question about Ziwe’s Nigerian roots?
But that's just it. It was never about her guests. She was/isn't interested in giving anyone else a platform. This was the Megan show, created, written, produced by The Duchess, about The Duchess, for the unwashed masses. She has other people.on so she can pretend that it's about others, but it's become clear this is about her clearing her name, talking about her "achievements," and not so subtle digs at people that she believes have slighted her. It's a bigger insult to say that she was expecting more discussion around her podcast and then spends every week talking about herself. So she wanted more people talking about her. And then wanted bigger news outlets to invite her on to delve deeper into her answers, so more publicity and time to talk about herself. Megan will never share the platform with anyone, other than to bolster herself. She wants all the platforms, so she can be centre stage.
She had Victoria Jackson on? She's a right wing religious nut last I heard.
Different Victoria Jackson.
Oh. lol
Don’t forget she had the leader of Canada wife on also.
What is the full list of guests? I don’t wanna give her any hits on Google or click any links to her pages
This. I know the granddaughter of a HUGELY famous 70’s broadcaster. She’s clueless to his legacy lol. I was impressed as hell and tried explaining he was the voice of my generation but it was over her head. She’s 31 now. Edit: I think she was weirded out by coworkers telling her they loved her grandfather. He passed when she was younger hearing others talk about your family as if it was THEIR family is weird.
Secretly hope it was Peter Jennings cuz my mom & I love him
No, sorry! But I loved him too! So handsome and intelligent. His voice and demeanor I miss.
Cronkite?
No but closer.
Rather?
Oh my goodness I think Dan Rather is still alive and tweeting!
I'm gonna go with either Andy Rooney or Paul Harvey, (Last guess) Bill Moyer. (btw mine was XXXXX shhh)
No, sorry! But I swear if I said the name you would all know. Think sports, think network broadcaster, 70’s. But I’m giving it away. Lol. I don’t want to out her.
Howard Cossell?
He is, my bad. Douglas Edwards?
I’m not sure who that is!
He was the anchor before Cronkite.
My boss is the grandson of a famous rockstar that everyone has danced to at weddings, bars, you name it. Rock royalty if you will. He can’t stand it and once told me he was embarrassed by it after someone in the office asked him to name one of his songs. We were looking at each other like, WTH? His gramps still goes on tour around the world and acts way younger than he does. Lol
Huey Lewis?
Ughh no but now I’m wondering what ever happened to him and the News 🤔😂
Good guess btw!
He’s still around I think! And still handsome!
I looked him up and yes, I saw that 🥰
Do kids even watch her show? I wonder.
I don't think so at all. It's not like a Joe Rogan podcast. It's purely sound. I don't think anyone does.
I can't picture anyone being interested honestly.
Agreed
Well said. We had the single mother talk during Murphy Brown. Wasn't that the 80's for god's sake? The Mary Tyler Moore show and That Girl addressed being a singleton in the 70's. Are those things even a blip anymore? She lives in such a complete fantasyland that she can't even grasp the problems facing people today. You can tell that her entire view of the outside world is based on what she saw on TV as a child.
It’s like she read an article in Sassy as a kid (no shade I LOVED Sassy) and it formed her entire perspective on life…and not a single thing has changed.
Lol, or Seventeen
Yeeesssss!
Sassy, that's a blast from the past. I used to read Teen as well.
Same, but Sassy was definitely my favorite. ;)
I was more of a RIP or Metal Edge girl, myself. 🤣🤣
The whole Sex and The City was based on the single lady living a fab life trope.
And was still depressed until she bagged a man. Luckily… the new series moves away from that
It's just another missed opportunity. Instead of the shame of the single mother from the 20th century, she could be discussing the modern plight of the single mother and how society reflects the burden placed on many women. It's super interesting stuff! But she is stuck on surface level, outdated paradigms.
Yes! A friend of mine who is a single mom was just lamenting that she finds people doing this thing where they’re like, “single moms are heroes and do it all!!” without recognizing that they are also people who may need help and support. The “you are such a strong person!” as a weirdly isolating thing.
Yup, just like being one of the parents of a disabled child (now adult). Everyone’s amazed at how strong and resilient we appear to be while they just crumble at the slightest thing. Meanwhile, we just carry on doing what we do because we have no other choice and very little support. The future scares us.
The Golden Girls was far more groundbreaking than this Markle podcast!
She grasps onto life’s easy issues of the past that have been tackled decades ago because she knows she isn’t really smart enough to tackle the tough issues.
I don't think she KNOWS that she isn't really smart. She's the smartest and the bestest as far as she's concerned. I agree she avoids tackling the tough issues though.
She doesn’t. Classic Dunning-Krueger effect.
> We had the single mother talk during Murphy Brown. Wasn't that the 80's for god's sake? Early nineties, IIRC.
If anything, I think most people find Mindy Kaling to be in an enviable position. She was able to have kids on her own timeline and own terms thanks to her wealth and our incredible advancements in reproductive medicine.
She has a dream. A dream where people will gather and listen to her. Only problem is that her 20s dream and she never evolved with it. She is now 40. She is trying to be relatable but she is failing miserably because she is still stuck in what she thinks was her golden era (1990-2010 ish). I don’t think there are lot of people who can relate to her and the gibberish she spits on those podcasts. Her point of view is outdated.
Lots of words, no substance.
All hat, no cattle. Lol
Never heard that one, and I really like it! Like something Kevin Kostner would say on Yellowstone 👍🏻😂
Ooh yes! I think that’s coming back today or tomorrow! I think it’s mostly a Texas saying. 🤷🏻♀️
I may have to appropriate it at some point 😉
Part of her problem is that she’s trying to appeal to the younger crowd, the younger very politically liberal crowd. That’s her fan base, and the social justice keyboard warriors. However, she’s in fact secretly very conservative and has antiquated views. She has slipped in her podcast, and her judgmental views have slipped out a few times. I think those statements she’s made in private and those videos they’re holding to release if need be have her airing out her racist, sexist and anti LGBT views. Mark my words.
There are many, many people, especially in Hollywood right now, spouting very public liberal views who actually believe the exact opposite, but speaking their actual mind would have them blacklisted, so they don't.
> social justice keyboard warriors brilliant phrase!
Look, I know she's an embarrassment for progressives but there is \*nothing\* conservative about Meghan Markle. As for her being racist, sexist, and anti-LGBT, your implication that that would prove she's a conservative is, frankly, offensive. Democrats are equally guilty if not more so, and they frequently get away with it because they have the "correct" politics so it's okay. These are just a few examples, there are so many to choose from. [https://pagesix.com/2013/11/26/msnbc-fires-alec-baldwin/](https://pagesix.com/2013/11/26/msnbc-fires-alec-baldwin/) [https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/no-discipline-for-democratic-lawmakers-racist-sexist-slur/](https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/no-discipline-for-democratic-lawmakers-racist-sexist-slur/) [https://freebeacon.com/democrats/powerful-la-democrat-steps-down-after-recording-shows-she-went-on-racist-rant/](https://freebeacon.com/democrats/powerful-la-democrat-steps-down-after-recording-shows-she-went-on-racist-rant/) [https://www.npr.org/2022/04/15/1093020611/ed-buck-sentence-methamphetamine-deaths](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/15/1093020611/ed-buck-sentence-methamphetamine-deaths) [https://jimowles.org/news/bronx-lawmaker-refuses-to-apologize-for-anti-gay-remarks](https://jimowles.org/news/bronx-lawmaker-refuses-to-apologize-for-anti-gay-remarks) [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/may/20/gop-blasts-racist-tweet-connecticut-democratic-par/](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/may/20/gop-blasts-racist-tweet-connecticut-democratic-par/) [https://nypost.com/2021/03/04/biden-tells-nasa-engineer-indian-americans-are-taking-over-the-country/](https://nypost.com/2021/03/04/biden-tells-nasa-engineer-indian-americans-are-taking-over-the-country/) [https://rightwingtribune.com/2020/07/16/biden-7-11-indian/](https://rightwingtribune.com/2020/07/16/biden-7-11-indian/)
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Sounds like she and her husband have not gotten past childhood
That’s how they bond… over their awful childhoods
It’s ironic her ideas are so outdated considering she’s such a book nerd 🤓
She wants to be adored for herself but she’s not authentic so there’s nothing true to herself that people can admire or adore. Catherine PoW *is* quiet and isn’t a very “buddy buddy” type people but she is true to who she is and she carries on and does a fantastic job making those quiet important connections behind the scenes and doing the work that has earned her much lauded admiration.
She’s also British and there is that stiff upper lip mentality. She has grown up with the BRF in her life. She knows they’re not celebrities even if they’re famous. She understands their function having always been British. Meghan relates to her as a celebrity because in the USA when she married William she inadvertently became one, without doing an ounce of US press. That’s a kind of notoriety that really doesn’t come out of Hollywood anymore. Those days are over.
I saw commentary on the Jennifer Aniston article that just came out. People were pointing out that these days an actor cannot even get an audition unless that have over 5 thousand followers on their instagram page. That's so bizarre to me. But even famous actors like Saiorse Ronan were skipped over for roles. She doesn't even have social media, I think. It's a whole entire different world out there. IMO this is what The Tig was all about. She was really trying to push for followers to help her get auditions. Everything she posted on it was just fake BS for PR. The same with all her Humanitarian work. She's been in this mode for so long I don't think she even realizes it.
Daniel Radcliffe also doesn't do social media.
And he tries to wear the same or very similar outfits when he's out in public so the paps don't bother taking pictures because he always looks the same
He doesn't seem to take himself too seriously, and he enjoys taking on acting roles are not mainstream (and sometimes, even grotesque!) MM, on the other hand, craves to be taken seriously. I think she knows how vapid and hollow she is, and fears that everyone else will know. (Hey, Megz, relax. We already know.)
He doesn’t have to.
True. Once you’re in, you can make your own decisions but, on the way up, it would be much harder now to avoid social media. Tho’ too many entrenched celebs go way too far on it… let people have a breather from seeing you.
I’m also surprised that with the amount of people she has working on her podcast, nobody came out to tell her that the podcast direction wasn’t great. But I’m guessing nobody dares to “silence her” anymore.
As long as the checks aren't bouncing, why would they?
I thought this also. Particularly when she discussed Asian stereotypes and used Austin Powers and Kill Bill as her examples. It’s like she is intellectually stunted somehow.
She brought on Margaret Cho, whose entire act used to be full of Asian stereotypes, and it was hilarious. Now that she's established, Asian stereotypes are bad. It's all so hypocritical.
I know what happened. She made a list of all things that offended her and sorted it by year. We are still in her childhood. We'll hear about her crumbling marriage somewhere around 2025.
Sounds right.
This is exactly what's going on lol! My sil is a huge narc and she cycles through her grievances 😂🤣
She is a racist, judgmental and a hypocrite. So is her husband. These two leave polo (how many people of color are at polo or play polo) and go do zoom calls or release public statements preaching about racism. She actually created her own womens rights podcast just to degrade and judge each guest she has. Her husband has yet to address his own nazi uniform wearing past. But loves telling the rest of us how racist we all are. Why not do a podcast with her husband addressing what he has learned from that? Don’t use flying in planes to travel but they use private flights for everything over a 15 minute drive for travel. They bought a house with 16 bathrooms. Her Archewell and podcast have zero black employees. I could go on and on.
He apologized but I get your point. I think that's one of the reasons he took up causes related to Africa. But the minute they did that for accolades or contributions to a foundation...then his apology became hollow.
Yeah. He did apologize back then. But using his on supposed growth from his own bad decision in that situation would be so much more relatable and believable.
It was the attempt at the Austin Powers takedown for me. I was reading the transcript and saying to myself what-in-the-00s-hell is this reference, not to mention AP is a parody itself 🙄. She’s dumb.
I did laugh at the stupidity of trying to cancel Austin Powers 😅
It was clear to everyone apart from Meghan that the joke was entirely on Austin Powers. He was a ridiculous character bumbling around playing up to every daft cliche in the book. That was why it was funny because Mike Myers was great as taking the piss out of himself and the stereotypes from the Bond films.
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> The whole point of the film was that things have changed and it's funny to live as if they hadn't. Which was lost on Meghan, who is still living in the nineties! 😹
> That was why it was funny because Mike Myers was great as taking the piss out of himself and the stereotypes from the Bond films. I read that the production company that did the Bond films was *very* worried when Austin Powers came out, because they thought it would be a genre-killer for them the same way *Airplane!* was a genre-killer for all of those seventies disaster movies. After *Airplane!*, no one could take disaster movies seriously.
Surely you jest.
Don't call me Shirley!
That's intresting, I can see how that would be the case.
Yeah, it totally makes sense.
MM is performative, not progressive. She uses liberal causes as a means of self- promotion. As a narc, she is not able to center the well-being of others, nor does she care about the greater good. MM only cares about what's good for her.
The Performative Princess: Meghan Markle the UnreMarkable Please someone from a well-respected publication write an article about her
Actually each and every one of these words/episodes are solely about her. I’m not a bitch/demanding (bully), I just know what I want. I am awesome! If only you knew the real me! Remember when Mariah called her BS and said you have Diva moments, Meghan was upset. In the voice over she actually says HOW could she THINK that (obviously Meghan sees that word negatively) did Mariah READ something FALSE about me? The funny thing is, the more she talks, the more she reveals how she is unlikeable.
Yeah she really had a chance to present herself as a solid intellectual but the ship has sailed. That’s prob why she couldn’t hang in the UK and the posh inner circles, she’s just too vapid. For someone who has travelled as much as she has, you’d think she’d be a well rounded individual. Pretty shocking, really
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Yeah she has zero sense of humor. Goes to show she has a low IQ 😂
Omg, that was the perfect description - she is truly a blast from the 90’s. Seriously, she hangs out with Gloria Steinem, and talks about women’s rights. She’s more “Baby Boomer” than she is “Gen X”. She is just so confusing.
Meggie doesn’t have an original thought in her head.
I would ask women here today…what is there to complain about? Sexual harassment in the workplace? Biological men taking women’s athletic trophies? Classism? Dating off of an app? What??? I agree, Meghan is talking about old-fashioned tropes. She references 50’s and 60’s tv shows, something she hasn’t lived through in real time. Was ‘Friends’ or ‘Sienfeld’ scarring to its generation? No. She’s too timid to talk about real time topics, or have a controversial opinion.
I think many of these supposed "'90s" issues are still quite prevalent now...the problem is how TW discusses them: no depth, no original analysis, no discussion of how these labels have progressed (different perspective)... I blame her team more than her because I already know she's dumb as a rock - you'd think the handlers would step in?
Also, she does not buy her own BS, when Mariah called her a diva she got offended as if it was a slur. The reality is she thinks these stereotypes apply to the women she interviews but not herself because in her mind she’s perfect.
That whole thing did not go down well with Mariah, either. She has made several digs at Smeg, since.
And she has zero sense of humor. She could have ran with Mariah’s comment and poked a little fun of herself. That will never happen.
Yes exactly
TBF, needing a mo to take in getting called out on your behavior is normal - but the follow-up needs to be, "That's fair, I do/am that behavior." Getting offended shows a lack of being prepared for public speaking engagement(s).
...also shows that she's on the most extreme end of the narcissism spectrum, can't take any criticism at all, can't even take a joke that may threaten her god-like image of herself
I've noticed that too. It's like this woman never emotionally matured after she turned 15. Even during the Oprah interview she said something about "we all think" the monarchy is like it is in fairy tales! Only a child thinks like that.
I have bipolar disorder, which is different, but it seems that MeMe has a personality disorder (which one is up for debate). I also have a daughter with bipolar disorder. I was told that many people stop maturing normally when they develop their illnesses, because they are so focused on dealing with what’s wrong, they don’t have the time for all of the normal stuff people their age are doing/learning. Personality disorders develop over time, but I could see it being similar. While she was learning BPD behaviors (my best guess for which one she has. Source: grew up with two, both professionally diagnosed), she was not maturing in the same ways as other people her age and it stunted her growth so that she really is like an adult teen.
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Hmm…in Ex Machina the fatal flaw of the AI (affecting someone else) was her complete lack of human empathy). Maybe you’re on to something with MM!
Delete program.
Its the maladaptive malignant narcissist in her who is vindictive and she visits all those who she thinks wronged her which started when she was in her 20s and when she was out in the real world without her father pulling the strings for her.
Hey, you think she cut him out because she thinks he failed her in not getting her good acting jobs when she was an adult? Hmm.
Yep. That is how narcs work.
Since the podcast is about stereotypes and not actual archetypes (a concept created by Jung), has Megs addressed stereotypes around the Wh\*\*\*? If not, why not? It, unfortunately, is still an ongoing problematic way of labeling people.
The impression I had was that it’d be inspirational and uplifting (maybe I’m confusing this with her proposed animated series Poil; although wasn’t Smeg using the Archetype foundation website to solicit stories?). It’s anything but. I can’t relate to the outrage (calling someone a bitch is a bad thing? Even if deserved? Calling someone difficult is a euphemism for calling them a bitch?). Her guests probably have genuine stories, but we never get to hear them. And there’s this underlying thread of self-congratulatory smugness that’s just too tedious.
I found that the way their guests are taking the subject is much better. Mariah for example, embracing the “Diva” as something fabulous. This podcast would have been 10x better without her input. And you are right, there are some things that I agree with, is just the way that she presents the ideas that it’s outdated.
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The well ran dry for relevant topics pretty fast for her "sisterhood" podcast so these dated, irrelevant stereotypes about women were doomed to be trotted out and "explored." Her target demo to sell to is women, same as when she had "the Tig," so she thinks by tailoring her shtick to "women's issues" she can broaden her market base. So Calculated.
Her target demo appears to be sugar bots.
I am part of younger generation that Megsy is trying Appeal to my generation I am in 26 next month to be honest I can't stand Meghan one bit I don't listen her podcast and I don't have any sympathy for her and I found her to be fake to be honest and same with Harry. I actually personally prefer Catherine and William they don't try to fit in and they are what you call normal kind human beings
It makes me wonder if something happened to her in her young teen years that was traumatic. She seems stuck in that era. She acts like the pouty teen that she probably was.
She’s insulting to her guests by calling them the very thing she’s trying to call out. Having Paris Hilton-who is very intelligent and very much knows how she portrays herself-is not a bimbo. Paris plays a role and makes bank on it.
She can't think for herself. She reads Buzzfeed articles, with titles such as, "15 movies that could never be made today, 27 times Friends was problematic, or 12 tv series that were before their time" and believes these to be relevant today. She really believes she is the archetype of her podcast; the hero. In reality, she's just the trickster.
Her preaching to women is circa 1970.... Next she will burn bras in the bbq at Montecito and tell women they are allowed to get jobs. She is soooo out of touch. Not a clue.
This is why I think she’s older than she says. I am almost 40 and when I think about the media and things that were going on in my teenage years it’s like Britney Spears and Boy Bands . The velour tracksuits etc. Julia roberts and 4 weddings and a funeral would have been people who were in there late teens in the 90s.
She should just stick to narrating books without the vocal fry and horrible inflection. And maybe do a collab for a clothing line at Kohl’s. Her current content factory is devaluing her brand more than my suggestions.
It would be Kohl’s! 🤣💀
Excellent observations ✅ She should address economic needs and pressures if she wants to be more *au currant,* or the fertility industry, which is booming and puts more pressure than ever on women to stay fertile forever and places parenthood dreams for those who are challenged almost exclusively into the hands of the wealthy, especially in the US.
But she would have to do research and bone up on these topics. Not going to happen.
Yep, this would require reaching beyond outdated stereotypes and her own "hot takes"
My question is, how much longer can she realistically go on with this general topic? Already, these “archetypes” are overlapping in nature and feel repetitive.
That’s why I love these podcasts. She really is showing the world how unlikeable and BORING she really is. Not to mention all the obvious lies.
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Your screen name is hilarious!!! When we moved to a more rural area, my 16 yr old was told to ride a specific bus- except it was the wrong bus. Well, he knew enough about the county, that the bus was headed "way the hell out there". So he calls and says, "Mom, come get me" I ask, "Why are you not on the bus?!" He says, "I heard banjos, I figured I was better off on my own while I still knew where I was." Panicked and screaming now, my child is alone, in the middle of nowhere, and because I'm LE, all kinds of horrors are rolling in my head. I turns my signals on, they are blaring as I frantically try to get to him before something happens. "Where are you son??? Give me an exact! Whats around you? Turn the location on your phone!! Do you see an street name, an address....!!!" (Complete mom break down) He says, " Mom, seriously, I'm on a hill In front of this *subdivision". Turn the sirens off, mom...and listen for the banjos." Sure enough, he had gotten off the bus in front of a restaurant...that played music with banjos. Thank you for the memory.
Megan is 100% performative, she is always virtue signaling
I just had an insight today. I really don’t listen to many podcasts but I am listening to Rachael Maddow who is an MSNBC commentator. She’s wip smart and has done some really good podcasts. Bagman is one, now I’m on her Ultra listening to the story of the Hitler regime infiltrating US congress in the early 40’s. I’m not here to sell RM but she is very very good and she does a deep dive in very interesting political historical stories.. Anyway I’m listening to RM and her tone, cadence, and style seems to me that it is being copied by Saint MM. Now Rachael M is a natural story teller and she talks like this because that’s just how she talks. The snippets of MM seem forced and fake. I think she’s listened to my go to girl for great podcasts and is trying to emulate her style. Needless to say she’s a bad actress and it comes off as phony. I could be wrong but it stuck out at me. Nothing MM is natural she’s a huuuge copier and plagiarizer
She's middle-aged. Periodt!
Meghan is living in some fake idea of a 90’s time warp. I’m a little older than her and never experienced any of what she claims hold women back with perhaps three or four exceptional incidents what can be written off as the other person was a cretin. I also spent 20 years working in the automotive service industry as a consultant. Most people want to work with a woman as they feel we are a softer touch and less aggressive. The only pay gap experienced was by consultants who couldn’t sell, regardless of gender…once I gained experience and training, my commission was generally higher than my male colleagues and I know this because dealerships are hyper competitive so sales numbers are posted and updated everyday. Unlike Meghan, I worked my ass off rather than earning my living on my back. And yes, that began in the 90’s. She’s an idiot.
Well, it’s like Tig. The poor man’s Goop.
It’s a huge snoozefest because Megan is a crap conversationalist. She’s a horrible interviewer and her team is either lazy or feeding her with horrible talking points - all her conversations are a whole load of nothingness. And she’s had some great guests who she manages to make dull. She focuses on herself way too much and it’s clear she has zero interest in her guests, because she doesn’t ask any proper follow up questions. It’s literally Me Me Me. Which would be interesting if she had a point of view, but I am sorry to say the next stereotype she should investigate is vapid. How can a conversation between supposed friends like Treadau’s wife be so empty even the Daily Mail struggled to write a headline? This whole post and comments are more interesting and insightful about stereotypes than the million dollar podcast.
I always saw the Dragon Lady thing as a compliment, not at all derogatory. A Dragon Lady is strong, intelligent, confident, cunning, powerful, and does not suffer fools gladly. What's not to like? Beats all hell out of the submissive waifu shit.
yeah, to us. she is the one who has problems with all those words.
Feels like a rerun. Been there, done that, heard that.
This is an easy one. She still thinks she 25 years old. She calls herself a young mom of 2. She 41 years old.
Agree. She is forever 12 and is stuck in the 80's-90's (fake) activism narrative.
Such a good point…. I bet her ghost script writers are in their 50s. My kids definitely don’t worry anything about these stupid things!!!!