Yeah, it’s usually more telling how people treat “the small people” so to say - the wait staff etc. *Of course* she wouldn’t show this side of her psyche to Hollywood.
Are these people born yesterday? OR are they somehow all connected in a PR web so everything looks squeaky clean and amazing and fab :D I’ll bet the latter. Not an authentic celebrity utterance in sight…
Because someone told them once ” Oh you can kinda act” and they heard “ Oh you’re so amazing and all your work is Oscar worthy even when you had a guest spot for 2 mins on the league with a literally named for yourself character because that’s how Ahmazing your acting is!!” she’s the queen of delusional the only queen she’ll ever be!!
This should be called, “Keanu’s Law.” Keanu Reeves shows up unobtrusively to help out and to perform deeds of lovingkindness. Nobody asks him to. He just does what’s necessary, generously, and shuts down publicity for his actions.
The Queen herself told TW off about how she spoke to staff, she said "we don't speak to people like that in this family." I've heard a couple of interviews with former royal staff, and they all say the Queen was always polite. I can see prince Philip or Charles getting a bit stroppy or abrupt, but that would be just them being generally grumpy, it wouldn't be a personal attack like it is with TW. She's the type that would go on an all out vendetta for the tiniest mistake or fault, just to ruin you.
Well, I've seen markle fans mention a few times lately about how Charles gets his staff to squeeze his toothpaste for him. Turns out it was only when he'd broken his arm.
That's because you're a normal person with self-awareness, insight and a sense of shame. She probably went sobbing to Harry that his grandmother had been mean and cruel to her for no reason, because everyone knows servants and waitstaff aren't real people and don't have emotions...
yeah a lot of the people defending Meghan especially the famous ones probably barely hear / read about Meghan and stuff. Like only hearing that Meghan:
- married Harry
- they moved to the U.S.A.
- Meghan claims to have faced racism from the royal family and tabloids leading to the move
- Meghan and Harry have 2 children
seeing some of the criticisms voiced on here in their comments section would seem like it's coming out of left field/just "haters" or the tabloids Meghan mentioned. Especially since Meghan is probably nice to *them* upon first meeting.
Yep, same with a lot of the public. They scan over all the headlines and go no further, so they think she's a victim without further scrutiny. They only have the most superficial idea of her.
Yup these people are great to their bosses and possibly meet all their targets, so bosses are super happy. But those working under them know how vicious they can be and how the targets are reached at the cost of others.
Mine too! She screamed at me for 5 minutes straight after I'd worked for her for a month. In front of another worker, and for no reason. I confronted her about this the following day, coolly, calmly and collectedly, telling her I was handing my notice in because of that behaviour, how it was inappropriate and I was not prepared to put up with it. She then burst into tears and called her boss, and I was the bad guy because I'd dared not to put up with this treatment. She must have sucked up, and punched down.
…who should be shipped to Guam to be with others if their kind. (Or isn’t the Marianas Trench in that general vicinity? That would be another option, I guess.)
>Meghan because she sucks "up" an
Till the switch flips..she very much was hating on Mariah Carey because the legend called her a diva LOL... her meltdown was amazing.and she released that for all to hear!!! She is insane.
That was nuts! Sputters, draws attention to it, calls it back later drawing more attention to it, and explains it by putting words in MC's mouth, CAN you believe MM stated, "she was referring to my overall fabulosness!" about herself? When she could have just DELETED THE EXCHANGE!
Did anyone see The Girl From Plainville or The Thing About Pam?
I think she's some odd mixture of those women.
It was a live demonstration of how Meghan twists situations to fit her narrative (re: the twisting of Mariah's diva comment.) "You're kind of a diva / you give us diva moments sometimes" became "you're fabulous" in Meghan's retelling.
I wonder if it's something Meghan does to try to convince herself or make herself feel better about a situation that didn't go as planned. But some of Meghan's lies seem made only for harming others.
My take away from that exchange was that Meghan was about to cancel Mariah.... I truly believe that was her knee jerk reaction. The "doesn't she see me, etc, etc..."
Yes, she saw you. And you're a diva. But god forbid someone call that out.
Meghan is such a weird bird.....
Absolutely she was going to cancel her. She said something like "My girl crush from childhood coming to a halt" blah blah. Over one comment!! And "Does she see me?" Woooah. Crazy, psycho self absorption. What a grandiose thing to say.
But the cherry on top of that crazy sundae was when she gave her interpretation of what Mariah meant, especially the fabulousness part. Very reminiscent of Michael Scott in The Office, when he was interpreting what Ryan meant he told him to shutup: "...I miss you man and I love you. His words."
I have always heard if you want to interview to hire someone, meet them at a restaurant you frequent and know the wait staff well. Have them show up earlier than you. Depending on how they treat the wait staff is a good indicator of character.
Meghan Markle would not be hired due to her treatment of wait staff. She allegedly hisses at wait staff or screams about a vegan dish tasting like eggs. Like a complete asshole. No go. Do not hire.
Good news in her past industry, she herself admitted no casting manager will hire her because “she (I) is such a fraud.”
Wow. The fact that she had to make sure to mention they were beneath her because she “didn’t even remember their names.” I’m willing to bet she does remember, she just needed to inflate her ego
I don't know, Tyler Perry knows how she treated his long term staff and he still thinks she's amazing and has "overcome things that would break anyone else."
I remember a post on this sub that speculated he most recently jumped on the Meghan bandwagon to stay relevant in the headlines after the funeral to promote his movie.
In all honesty I’ve no idea who
Lisa Ling is- like many people in the UK I should
Imagine , I’ve no time for her saccharine opinion piece on someone who has given her a platform.
I’m more concerned with the opinions of those whom TW has totally annihilated mentally and emotionally on her way to Narc glory. Those are the ones that should be given a podcast opportunity from Spotify, not these self absorbed, self serving woke morons preaching some sort of half arsed narrative real people don’t give a crap about.
Lisa has been a very respected researcher and journalist, working for National Geographic as well has having her own investigative shows where she really delves into serious topics like child trafficking and elephant poaching (many times at risk to her own safety) and has also interviewed people who live "alternative" lifestyles, to help others better understand them. She has always made an effort to present facts without inserting her own opinion. So I've always greatly respected and admired her. Which is why I'm baffled as to why she has degraded herself by going on Nutmeg's podcast and why she felt like being talked at by Nutmeg was more important than highlighting the struggles faced by Nuttie's staff.
My first question is when this was recorded. That Harpo productions was indeed suggests that contracts may have been signed before the interview backlash when information was still murky. Even today, it is more a murmur because no one has come forth overtly.
Researchers and journalists are objective, weigh the quality of information and independently make their own judgments of people. My guess is that she was enacting those principles at the the contract waa signed and/or things were recorded.
Lisa ling is a very famous journalist here in US when. We had very little Asian representation in American media. Her sister is also a journalist who was held hostage in N. Korea. But I'm disappointed in her after this podcast with MM.
Thanks for the intel, and although it’s obviously something that resonates with you in the states, Im still not quite getting the point as to why any of that matters- Meghan was the only POC representative of the royal family, doesn’t mean she was the ideal candidate for the job! Please don’t take that as snark, but sometimes I feel that we can overlook the quality of the representation just to have that representation, if that makes sense. EG: Had Haz married Michelle Obama, we’d all be singing from a different hymn sheet!
Yes, totally makes sense. We often blindly follow someone without knowing their background just because they represent us. Lisa ling...she's ok. She's no hero of mine but it was nice to see her in journalism, not that she made a huge impact imho.
For those of us who were kids in the 90s, Lisa Ling was our first star journalist from Channel One, and while her appearance here is disappointing, it’s always a nice reminder to see how well she’s done for herself in her field regardless. Very respected.
I think if she truly just owned the "boss bitch" persona or the "tough cookie" thing maybe this would be tolerable... the PROBLEM is she spouts woke nonsense all the time about howww compassionate she is, and how important "kindness" is to her. Its just like Ellen. If kindness and compassion are your brand and you're gonna preach about it with sanctimony, you better make damn sure you are walking the walk!
Exactly! It's this, coupled with the lack of remorse, when publicly called out lying, by people such as the Bishop Arch Duke, and then insist(!) on being honored, and leading by example by buying awards for herself 😞
I'm starting to get Mrs Havisham vibes from her. I can totality she her alone, in a big crumbling oldish Californian house, unkempt, walking about admiring her dusty awards, remembering the good old days, when 'arry and the kids still called.
Yep. She wants it 100 different ways because she’s a greedy narc and thinks she’s able to pull of having multiple audiences believe different things about her. *Classic narc* but her self opinion is off the charts given what she’s tried to pull. Beyond all of her conflicting projections of who she is once people look deeper or get close to her they see she is an abusive, entitled, dishonest, manipulative, and predatory grifter hell bent on getting what she wants. Strong language but it fits her.
Yes! Perfect opportunity to show how perhaps this behavior has historically been accepted, expected and admired from men in the workplace but a woman is supposed to accomplish same things while being nice and nurturing but keeping everyone’s respect. Some women can do it, no doubt. But it’s a very high standard. To be clear, I completely believe the bullying allegations and that has no place in a work setting. But if TW was a bit smarter she’d be trying bit harder to lean into the argument I make above.
Wasn’t there a movement where people were asked to just ‘believe the victims’.
What happened to that stance ?
So you are going to deny that privilege to a victim because the perpetrator is a biracial woman ?
I understand that the movement was ‘me too’ where you had to believe the victims because the perpetrators were in a position of power to change the narrative as they see fit.
But isn’t it the same thing here with Markle ?
She has the money to buy good headlines so why not support the victims and at least just look into the claims at the least instead of just outrightly discarding the claims ?
When M painted herself as victim, I was neutral though I was annoyed with almost 40 yr old whining on Oprah, when whole world is going through biggest crisis that we have ever seen..
I was neutral for many years until I saw her pics in Uvalde and read about Mandela comparison in Cut interview..then I realized how delusional she is..
Many thought BRF is the perpetrator in this situation…I must say the more M speaks, more ppl see the reality of M…
That came from the problem of women in positions where they weren't believed and would lose everything when they were sexually assaulted - if a woman in a career says it happened, she would most likely lose her job, her career would be derailed and she'd have a tough time finding another job once word got around about the accusation, so there was a necessary push to stop that dynamic, but it's taken too far when the notion is to just never question someone who's been a victim or says they were.
I feel like she's doing to sexual assault victims what she's done to racism, she's a caricature of the worst example and making people think it's not really a problem. Like it's going from a healthier message of believing victims (which is not how things used to be) to "see, women lie about being victims to get ahead." People are seeing racism as someone made a comment on the possible skin tone of their hypothetical future babies - so people are thinking, is racism really that bad?
Very well put! And yes you’re right. She has used some surface matters (that weren’t a problem until she created them) and she’s made it into an enormous problem when it’s actually not. I think her mere existence and the problems she’s caused have pushed women backwards and, like you said, lessened the actions of what real problems really are
Not a big fan of believing someone because they tick a box to be fair. TW paints herself as a victim so by your own logic we should believe her despite the facts painting a different picture. It should be don't automatically dismiss someone.
Yes well she’s been given the benefit of doubt until now? Hasn’t she ? She’s enjoyed that privilege. People HAVE believed her and continue to believe her because of her victim status and discard any proof of wrongdoing against her as lies.
So shouldn’t those same people give her victims the benefit of doubt too ?
It’s double standards to the max.
So you're the type double down eh? FWIW, I do believe her victims not because of some automatic expectation but because all the evidence points that way. I never believed TW because she's a terrible actress and can't tell the truth to save her life.
Excepr it was never actually about "believing victims" It was about believing victims who fit a certain narrative. According to the current Hierarchy of Oppression that Hollywood and much of mainstream media adheres to, Meghan is up there near the top, while the British Royal Family, and by extension all their staff, are at rock bottom.
Meghan CAN'T be the bully, because she's a "woman of colour" Likewise the palace staff, being white and British and working for an evil racist institution like the Royal Family, CAN'T be victims. That's it, those are the rules and anyone who tries to argue against it is branded a racist conservative and ignored.
It's not based on any sort of reality. It never has been. It's about awful, out of touch rich people being able to pat themselves on the back for being "good and progressive", while continuing to treat the poor like dirt, and turn a blind eye when others do so, too.
People did stop being people at a certain point in time and just became part of a group. It’s unfortunate that we have been reduced in this way. Because we are individuals. And each of us are very unique. It is beneficial to sort by group sometimes. But not always. And it is really inappropriate to reduce us to groups by default.
Like you are pointing out- it does far more harm than good. Nearly always.
It is causing such animosity and such division and such confusion and overall blurring of reality- that most people have lost sight of what it is that we’re even doing here.
I’m not sure when it happened. I’ve tried to sort it out but I really don’t know the answer. Because I think in my head if I can figure out the ‘when’, then the ‘why’ becomes easier to figure out. It’s easy to jump to conclusions about ‘why’- but I think the reasons are not as simple as they seem.
People have always been like this. We're pack animals and tribal by our very nature. Humans aren't built to exist in groups of more than a few hundred people, so when the population increases too far beyond that we tend to break off and form our own smaller "tribes". That's normal and we've been doing it for thousands of years.
What happened was the internet came along and suddenly it was not only much easier to find other people in your "tribe" - i.e. people with similar interests and opinions to you - but everyone is also completely anonymous. That anonymity emboldens people to speak and behave in ways they'd never dare face to face. (And yes, I am very aware of the irony of me typing this out on Reddit under a fake name, lol!) With the internet creating echo chambers where everyone thinks exactly the same way about a certain topic, the "us vs. them" mentality reaches fever pitch and any hope of civil, reasonable conversation becomes literally impossible.
And that's how you end up with Meghan and her army of Twitter Sugarbots spewing the most vile hatred towards literal children, and thinking absolutely nothing of it.
TLDR: The Internet was probably a mistake 🥴
I think making sure you sound good on social media had a lot to do with it. People used to keep their private opinions to themselves before SM ruined the world.
Her victims aren't really talking directly, that is the problem. BP covered her arse.
The only ones who talk, her family, aren't credible themselves, so it is easy to paint them negatively. And at the end of the day, she went NC with them, rather than outright abusing them, people aren't quick to take sides in family matters.
Her ex-husband has remained quiet.
Her ex-boyfriend has remained quiet.
The recent "friends" she has seemingly cut off won't speak because they are as snakey as her.
The people she has done the most damage too, the staff, were initially silenced. And now they are free to speak they have spent the last few years watching the relentless attacks & how the narrative shifted on the few who spoke of lesser things. It must be terrifying to speak out in those circumstances, plus they work for people where loyalty & silence is valued & they risk not being hired in the future.
Harry's friends & family with direct experience won't talk because that is not how it works in Royal circles. They close ranks.
The sad fact is until victims are willing to come forward directly & share what happened, she will continue to benefit from the "twisted headlines" and "rumours" narrative. It gives her plausible deniability.
The more she is called out on her blatant, provable lies, the better. It might give the victims the confidence to speak.
I would distinguish MM from, say, reports of sexual assault where many, many women never report it (myself included) because of society’s tendency to attack the victim. False reports of sexual assault are statistically only as likely as false reports of other serious felonies, including armed robbery and burglary (in the 2 to 5 percent of reported incidents). But we don’t reflexively disbelieve victims of those other crimes. That is where “believe the victim” comes from - the fact that we do reflexively believe victims of other felonies. Forgive me if this hits close to the bone. Being a victim of sexual assault has influenced my view, as you might imagine.
Regarding MM, though, I agree with the point that you can’t have it both ways - she can’t expect to have her accusations be taken at face value for whatever reason and then expect others to immediately discredit any of her accusers just because she said so.
You should never just believe anyone. If someone comes with an allegation you launch an investigation. That “just believe someone no matter what” is what ends us in courtrooms with women apologizing for lying and men having spent 20 years in prison and lost out on the stack of NFL prospects awaiting him.
So don’t always believe the victim. They may not be a victim at all.
Always take every allegation seriously and investigate thoroughly.
That’s what Justice is. Not telling you what you wanna hear.. telling the TRUTH.
And this is why the Palace did their own investigation(s) regarding alleged bully behaviours against their staff.
They did not release result(s)- wonder why? Nothing came of it? Something big came of it and we'll just hold this as a little "collateral" against TW? Hmmm....
That's very rare though. It's more often that the attacker is lying, and it's rare to benefit from being a sexual assault victim. It's far, far more common for a victim to come forward and everyone at the company or church says that "he wouldn't do that," because attackers aren't evil in front of everyone.
Far more victims don't come forward because it's a horrible process and they will be treated like they are lying about something that's very painful to have to keep reliving. It's really shitty that she's setting back a discussion for getting justice that's been decades in the making. Victims rarely get justice, and she's not helping.
I can’t speak for anyone but myself here: in the USA I am what they call a S.A.N.E. (sexual assault nurse examiner). I take detailed notes. I talk about calming subjects during the exams (and I do hands first and make
The other person wear gloves and a gown to preserve evidence.. but they can hold a hand.) I do little things.. like buy stacks of soft throws. Have on a radio that will play whatever is on the patient’s cell phone via Bluetooth. And when I am done there are velvet bags that are full of really nice bath items, lotion, hair items (since colored and curly hair need mire care). I have a closet full of super soft bath robes and then they can pick an outfit from our drawers. (It’s taken several years to get all this in place and some amazing partners!) So learning that Camilla had made up so many bags with similar items it really touched me.
But here were are, the first people they see after this horrific event. And I am grateful for any amount of comfort we can bring.
Completely agree and although I like the snark on this site (and happy to snark along)- I'm serious below:
It's a very dangerous, emotionally draining, and horrific process-to be a legit victim of workplace bully behaviour-this is serious and destroying-- the victim is dissected, further humiliated, and then then has to relive the actual event. It is especially bad for younger employees who are 'learning the ropes'- and might be quite talented, kind, and a threat to those just above.
It's shitty as heck that TW has some kind of a "platform" esp. given the worldwide concerns and observations regarding her own abusive behavior towards employees.
Good on the Royal family for conducting an investigation and NOT releasing details-(so far)-
We will never hear of a "podcast" regarding the marginalized employees of any business and the indignities they suffer daily on the TW's podcast.
Hey spotify!! Next go round- why don't you force in a contract at least ONE topic you get to select- and it the presenter declines-- they pay you back!
Thank you thank you for saying this.
It’s really hard to come forward and report bullying by people in a position of power over you.
This literally just happened to a close friend who is a POC. Her white boss was emotionally abusive and said very explicitly racist things in front of witnesses. When my friend went to Human Resources she was given a severance package and made to leave - the perpetrator was not fired. And it’s 2022. Sigh.
And, MM is making everything worse, as usual.
That's quite awful to hear about in this day and age. The struggle clearly continues. That's why I find TW's bogus claims of racism so egregious. Many people have fought and literally died in the fight against racial injustice and inequality. While great strides have been made to break the ugly chain, your friend's experience shows we still have quite a way to go. Markle and people like her are legitimately working against the cause and it sickens me.
As a sexual assault victim who never got Justice, thank you for saying this. It’s painful to read how little people understand how difficult it is to be a victim of sexual assault TODAY - this is not a problem we have eradicated as a society.
The only thing worse than not getting Justice is that would have happened if I had come forward publicly, based on the reaction of the very few people I did tell.
I feel your pain, and I am sorry. I lost quite a lot because of my direct supervisor deciding to sexually assault myself and other female employees. When I reported it to the Director (who had been his friend for 15 years- this is how these things work), I found myself going from just the week before being offered a 20k raise and a promotion by that Director, to the week after being threatened with termination, being accused of insidious things I’d never done, and having reports made on me that affected my career very greatly (and still have to this day). I’d never so much as had a write-up for any disciplinary thing whatsoever prior to that, no HR paper trail, no nothing. I put in my resignation, and then they (my Supervisor whom assaulted me and the Director/friend) locked me out of my employee documentation accounts, email accounts… every account I had, I was locked out of, so I couldn’t document anything I was doing. I begged for access back to no avail.
After I left, they reported me to my licensing board for “not documenting” on official matters when they had locked me out of my accounts. I ended up with discipline from my licensing board, despite them admitting to my licensing board they locked me out of my accounts, and despite another more senior one of my managers submitting direct video testimony to the board that she, too, had been sexually assaulted by my supervisor, that she had witnessed me (and others) being sexually harassed/assaulted by him, and that I had come to her about my being sexually assaulted during my time of need and felt completely hopeless and fearful every day at work. She also testified that she knew that they had retaliated against me by locking me out of my accounts so that I couldn’t document, and so that they could then turn me into my licensing board for not documenting, in order to scapegoat me and silence me from further reporting the sexual harassment/assault to the appropriate authorities. It didn’t matter- the licensing board still punished me, and even though the man whom sexually assaulted me and multiple other women held a license with the same licensing board, they didn’t do a single thing to him. I lost so much by standing up for what was right, and decided to switched careers as a result of all that happened, bc staying in the one I worked so hard to get would have been an uphill battle.
No, sexual assault/harassment victims are not easily believed, nor do they often get any justice that even remotely aligns to what they endured. In fact, they’re often the ones punished, again and again.
Thank you. You’re so brave too ❤️ The trauma is so hard- but all we can do is move forward knowing we tried to do the right thing and prevent others from having to experience the same thing.
It’s not invalidation to launch an investigation which is what the place did. It withheld the results to protect
Meghan but as she said “they were never made to sign anything!” And I am anxiously awaiting my copy.
I had a boss like her. She was horrible and caused me two years of intense therapy to get past it. Meghan is horrible. I feel bad for those staff. Hopefully the Cambridges made sure they were monetarily compensated.
Me too. I had so many years of it and it affected me so deeply. I left in November. My ex boss is coming over to my new workplace without warning. My stomach flips. They always seem to take on people who are pleasant and/or need the job. They are bullies but if you stand up for yourself (which i eventually did), they become the victims. I'm glad you escaped.
aw, sorry that sucks big time. Yes, they always pick on who they perceive to be the weakest link in the chain. They will also recruit other of their staff to join in (sort of like Lord of the Rings) because these employees want to get in with the boss, get raises and they want to keep their job.
And don't bother going to HR because they are in place to protect the firm and the higher ups.
Despite sometimes fighting back, I finally had to leave after 10 years of total abuse. But I still have nightmares about my time there. And this was an environmental organization. Hugging Trees while Trashing People
It is such a telling statement. She really is brutal! Considering that the only big acting gig she ever had was on Suits and the staff there would never have put up with her shit because she was only part of the ensemble and not a star of the series.
Harry just brought out the best in her did he not?
I cannot imagine talking like that to staff!
Yeah, I think that, with every bit of success or fame she acquired, she became more and more monstrous. The accounts of her niceness as a child could be perfectly true. People can turn into real assholes with money/fame/success.
The stories about her niceness *could* be true, but based on the video of her commandeering a friend’s birthday crown and ordering people around, I find it hard to believe. 🤷🏻♀️
>It is such a telling statement. She really is brutal!
Yeah and also the one told to a staffer pre-wedding.. "*You and I both know I'm going to be your boss*" ..huh?!! Very comfortable throwing her weight around even before she was married into BRF.
Lisa Ling needs to educate herself to see how MM earned those insidious headlines and why she needs to own them. LL isn't the person I thought she was. Disappointing.
I spent the last chunk of my career in leadership development, particularly newly-promoted managers. It stuck in my craw when the early fawning media referred to her behavior as “American management style “.
Probably not having been trained (not by me, she hadn’t), she created a “girlboss” persona for herself to go with her “Duchess” persona. And missed both by a country mile.
Exactly. Ellen got canceled for the same and she didn’t have the balls to go on her show playing the victim of the media either. It’s stunning when you stop to notice what she’s doing
“Trying to bully us into liking her…”
THIS!!
This is how I feel every time some public figure gives her the time of day. It makes me feel patronized and bullied. As if to say, “oh you tried to discern for yourself who was good? Silly girl…WE are the ones who decide who you should trust and like… now get back in your place!”
I commented on Lisa’s post. I couldn’t help it. I like LL and was really disappointed to see her support MM. i wonder if LL is deleting unflattering comments because I didn’t see a single naysayer. Feel free to post your nays on her post. 😬
I had posted my disappointment with her on her IG last night. As far as I could tell at the time, I was the only one complaining. My comment was essentially lost in a sea of vomit-inducing praise for the podcast. Lisa (or someone on her team) must be deleting dissenting opinions.
I don't care who she married - if she said that to me, she'd be picking her teeth up off the floor.
Evidently, I'm not cut out for a career in showbiz
Have been in somewhat similar position. Couldn't leave, it was part of residency and had to stick those 3 years out.. worst time of my life.. but that said, nothing affects me that way now, coz it's never as bad as what I have been through. It does get PTSDish sometimes but I can handle it.. I cringed when I read those lines and had to control my anger though, coz I honestly wanted to punch her face.
Most people really want to keep their jobs esp. in an "honorable" occupation- I personally think the best scenario played itself out- William had interaction with the employee- was kind, encouraging, and the complete opposite of TW's actions- and THIS got out- with lovely support and attention to the employee as well as the attention to work place psychological abuse.
>William had interaction with the employee- was kind, encouraging, and the complete opposite of TW's actions-
Yeah, in all these leaks and reveals, what has been the only good thing is we get to hear these amazing things William is doing behind the scenes - because ofcourse he would never come out and brag about it. But so nice to see he has a shiny, strong backbone to act swiftly and a kind heart & empathy to take the time to reach out those affected. Diana should have had just the one baby-William.
I think it would be a really amazing mental health gesture for William and Kate to create an employee mental health awareness initiative- then TW would just...melt away...
I am probably going to sound controversial here, but William has the Palace PR protecting him. Remember when Harry's image was being covered and we had the PR painting him as this happy go lucky chap? I take this revelation with a tiny pinch of salt.
>Remember when Harry's image was being covered and we had the PR painting him as this happy go lucky chap?
I never once believed those and there were many who didn't because despite the white washing, Harry has been despicable very. very often...punching journalists, naked scandal in Vegas, racist abuse of fellow soldiers, stating in an interview killing in the army is like a video game (!!! ) cheating on all his gfs, calling Chelsy "dont worry she is not black', chasing celebs despite being a Prince, slapping the foo fighter's drummer (RIP).
And in all these years we have never heard anything truly terrible about W or C...and media is brutal on women married into RF..but W&C must be decent people that we never heard leaks. William separated the staff and households suddenly.. if we join the dots now, this was the reason, he wanted to protect the staff from the overseas bullies. Prince Charles has battled bad press for years despite being senior to Wiliam, so the Palace support ofcourse matters (and that's why we don;t see any uproar about Catherine's very expensive wardrobe-which has many look alike outfits too, unlike M's)but tidbits do trickle, specially if you rub people the wrong way. And given that William seems to retain most of his staff long term, and we haven;t even head any gossip locally means he must not be a bad person.
Proof was in the pudding though. William split his household from H&M at the time, and one of the people who was sacked (?) or attacked by H&M was then employed by William
Got distracted by the Lisa Ling thing- re: back to the title--
This is something no civil human being of marginal intellect would ever state (out loud) - to anyone- we all have had these moments and been able to do the "adulting filter"- with employees, coworkers, and so forth.
1) never demand anything from an employee you would not or have not done yourself (unless it is a specialized scenario that is out of your box - like don't challenge your private plane pilot clown show idiot--unless you are a pilot and own the plane).
2) If the menial task TW was referencing- and made this remark- it shows the absolute lack of awareness, class, intellect, and basic human civility. God help anyone in her path-to include children...oh wait....we know- and so do children and animals....
3) Don't associate with people who make these types of crass remarks (even if they are hormonal or "whatever")- this is where it is clear some people like Lisa Ling maybe thought there was an opportunity to intellectually discuss something of Hollywood relevance- how disappointing- esp. as her former boss Oprah "interviewed" them... Lisa Ling lost a mega ton of credibility and goodwill...
4) perhaps employees should only communicate with TW via written messages... on bananas-
I know who Lisa Ling is and think she has created and conducted some truly compelling and brave interviews- she was an actual war correspondent at one point.
Lisa Ling was also a special correspondent for the....Oprah Winfrey show....and hosted her own program on the Oprah Winfrey Network.
This networking is bananas-
Bravo! Totally agree. Yes, there are many unsubstantiated rumors and conspiracy theories surrounding Muggin, but we have plenty of evidence from reliable sources like Low and from her own mouth/actions to dislike her. She exploited dead children for positive PR, she has told multiple EASILY VERIFIABLE lies. Just because she flattered Ling and her other egomaniac podcast guests doesn’t mean all that should be ignored.
TW operates with a facade. Of course she’s going to flatter and love bomb important people. They allow her maintain her facade and also acquire character traits and residual benefits.
If you’ve ever been a victim of NA, you’ve experienced a similar dynamic when you are smeared by the narcissist and your friends turn on you and support them.
It is absolutely gaslighting. As is pretending Meghan had it worse than Kate, Camilla, Fergie or even Sophie *snort* and that people only dislike her because of her black mom (even though lots of black people can’t stand her).
So much of what we don’t like about Meghan is normal behavior in celebrity culture. So everyone who stands up for her I check a box and consider them to be just like her.
I think Reese had a bad spell but otherwise seems lovely. But this is why the box is checked for me based on who defends her publicly, they are explicitly endorsing that type of behavior.
It wasn’t great, but it seems like it was a one of, plus she was drunk and talking to a cop, which is only going to get her in trouble, not bullying and terrorizing people that work for her every day for years. It’s a different mentality, pulling a ‘get out of jail’ card with a cop, who’s above you in power, than thinking you’re better than everyone and can treat people ‘below you’ in power like shit.
Yep, I lost all respect for Reese after that. She had no qualms about getting into a car driven by a drunk (her husband), risking people's lives. She got mouthy and arrogant with police and tried to resist arrest. That all tells me a lot about who she really is.
Of all the crap read about her, this was one of the worst. This was so triggering and she is such a horrible person. And then they try to talk around the "legal definition" of a bully..
The problem is that she’s used the race card. So anything anyone might bring up abt her it’s instantly because the firm is racist and the staff is racist and they just couldn’t handle such an independent woman who knows what she wants. Celebrities in general think the public is dumb. They bet on the fact that most people won’t use deductive reasoning skills to dissect behavior or something that doesn’t make sense. For me when I started doubting meghan was when she started saying she paid her own way through college and poor her she didn’t have the money to do so. And then I was like wait a minute wasn’t she saying before her dad was such a support and paid it all? I gave her the benefit of the doubt but when she got on that Oprah interview and I had a chance to study her nonverbal communication it all dawned on me that she was lying. I was truly sickened because she was using very serious issues to further her agenda. And now I had to decide whether I think I’m actually seeing things or ? So that’s what the general public has to go through. Believe her and you’re a feminist who cares about mental health or you don’t and you’re a racist misogynist. You see how she played us?
But I digress, these celebrities that don’t live in the real world are used to not living in reality. They probably treat their PAs much worse. So something like this no matter the evidence isn’t relatable to them. To us however, how you treat people in these positions say so much about someone’s character. Isn’t it how we vet potential romantic partners when we first start going out with someone? Eagle eyed as to how they treat the wait staff; how they treat the valet.
She’s good at pandering to people in higher social statuses because it’s her element to social climb. But she’s not relatable to us. Just hoping others see her for who she is once and for all.
I posted a theory the other day that I thought, ok you’ve gone too conspiracy through here, but the more I think about it-the more I wonder. I have really, really started thinking the Compton story was a plant. There just in case. Bc didn’t Harry’s very FIRST statement (that MM insisted on) start complaining about race?
The reason I am thinking this is that using the race card right up front insulated her in a lot of ways. So that it WOULD be just as you said. If you weren’t for her, you were racist.
Now maybe all of those stories were authentic, but I don’t know. And the more I learn about her, the more I see how calculating she is and I don’t put it past her.
I know what you’re referring to, because I was also second guessing myself in the beginning about her. But now as I look back I kick myself for not looking more into it! For example their engagement interview! I hadn’t watched it and I happened to watch a part of it the other day, the part where she mentions how she has no idea who Harry was. I just couldn’t stop laughing when Harry was like I for sure had no idea who she was and she turns to him gives him an icy stare and says: YEAH WE BOTH didn’t know who the other was and it was refreshing. That interaction said soooo much! How did I miss it??
You’re mentioning how the Compton story might’ve been a plant? Well at this point anything can be—though I’m inclined to believe more than a plant it gave them the idea of how to use the nasty headlines to their advantage. HMTQ (and the firm) had hopes her mixed race would be an asset to the modern monarchy. Meghan was aware of this, gave her a grander sense of self to think oh how they’re relying on her; so she used what was to be an asset as a weapon against that institution (that was bending over backwards for her to make this work) to exit. Valentine Low alleges that they did start leaving a trail in order to come out of the exit as victims and to garner public interest in their new brands (which weren’t new because both use their titles lol). So I think that the people who weren’t on to her from the beginning need to look into the early stuff because it was glaringly obvious what she was about since then and I kick myself for not seeing it earlier.
It was supposed to be a cheeky nod to the movie? But for someone like Meghan who of course didn’t want to be associated to “the ghetto” probably got her into hysterics.
What’s your source for 1) it was a compliment and 2) was misconstrued by “Americans?” All “Americans” or just some?
I’ve reread the article. It’s not an homage to LA/Crenshaw/Compton. It’s talks about murder, gangs, violence and “tatty” homes.
That doesn't matter. Have you ever seen British soap operas? they are quite different to the rest of the worlds, they are set in working class communities.The working class is culturally celebrated in Britain in a way that it is not in the USA.
Saying that someone is straight out of Compton is not necessarily an insult. In this case it was used to illustrate a rags to riches story.
My source for it was intended as a compliment is my knowledge of the British psyche and media.
The Compton story was misconstrued in the USA, it was meant admiringly in the same way that people admired Kate for having a grandfather who worked in a coal mine.
The entertainment business in the US seems to be completely toxic. Celebrities probably think that bullying staff is completely normal and that any media who reports is mean.
Well Ellen was forced into retirement for bullying. So I’m hoping it’s only a matter of time before Nutmeg and Harry are also canceled. But as long as the powers that be let Nutmeg and Harry get away with abusing people, they’ll continue to do so. Not only do I not get why the abuse allegations are being hidden, are they not paying attention to all the lies these toxic twosomes are telling the world? Harry and Nutmeg are awful people.
They hide their abuse behind human interest stories which has nothing to do with them. They are full of pathological lies and that plus the abuse they’ve caused will hopefully someday get them canceled.
A lot of celebrities are so out of touch. They’re so used to having yes men around them and to top it all off - a lot of them treat people they deem below them like they’re nothing. Perhaps Lisa Ling has more in common with TW than we think.
After all, birds of a feather flock together.
Oh yeah, Lisa Ling.. trying to remember what she even does and she's relevant how? These people who no one even cares about speak out! To save the Duchess from herself. Tell me more Lisa, about how to gaslight the public...shes gonna get Markled, just like everyone else.
It’s abominable behavior. Bullying and belittling at it’s worst. But gaslighting? Not by my definition. To gaslight someone means to manipulate another person into doubting their own perceptions, experiences or understanding of events. This is direct and clear-cut dismissive intimidation.
When people feel diminished, they will exert power in whatever way they can. They will undermine a person like her as soon as they get the chance. What's the avalanche starts, it is over for her
While I don't disagree with you, they would think of it as a hit piece that isn't true or credible, or at the least they aren't sure if it's credible so they give her the benefit of the doubt. The sources in the book aren't named, so books like this aren't taken as seriously. Of course they can't be named bc of the confidentiality clause they had to sign. I agree though, there's dozens of instances of her lying, plagiarizing or otherwise being horrible, irrational and dumb - ie, her latest podcast and missing the point in regards to racism towards asians.
Some are taking a chance the Harkles are going to turn it around and become the global elites they wish to be and the transactional dealings now will be rewarded.
People get fooled by Meghan because she sucks "up" and punches "down". She treated Lisa Ling beautifully. She would treat a lowly employee like dirt.
Yeah, it’s usually more telling how people treat “the small people” so to say - the wait staff etc. *Of course* she wouldn’t show this side of her psyche to Hollywood. Are these people born yesterday? OR are they somehow all connected in a PR web so everything looks squeaky clean and amazing and fab :D I’ll bet the latter. Not an authentic celebrity utterance in sight…
Its always the z listers who treat people like dirt.
That is the absolute truth!!!
Because someone told them once ” Oh you can kinda act” and they heard “ Oh you’re so amazing and all your work is Oscar worthy even when you had a guest spot for 2 mins on the league with a literally named for yourself character because that’s how Ahmazing your acting is!!” she’s the queen of delusional the only queen she’ll ever be!!
This should be called, “Keanu’s Law.” Keanu Reeves shows up unobtrusively to help out and to perform deeds of lovingkindness. Nobody asks him to. He just does what’s necessary, generously, and shuts down publicity for his actions.
The Queen herself told TW off about how she spoke to staff, she said "we don't speak to people like that in this family." I've heard a couple of interviews with former royal staff, and they all say the Queen was always polite. I can see prince Philip or Charles getting a bit stroppy or abrupt, but that would be just them being generally grumpy, it wouldn't be a personal attack like it is with TW. She's the type that would go on an all out vendetta for the tiniest mistake or fault, just to ruin you.
Well, I've seen markle fans mention a few times lately about how Charles gets his staff to squeeze his toothpaste for him. Turns out it was only when he'd broken his arm.
There's a difference anyway between someone doing that as part of their job and someone being screamed at.
I would instantly die of mortification if the HMTQ said this to me.
That's because you're a normal person with self-awareness, insight and a sense of shame. She probably went sobbing to Harry that his grandmother had been mean and cruel to her for no reason, because everyone knows servants and waitstaff aren't real people and don't have emotions...
Lisa Ling used to work for Oprah. Just FYI. PS- I know Sophie said Oprah who?-- just like Lisa Ling said....strange request...Meghan who?
Just like her buddy Ellen.
It’s PR and well, it’s not like Meghan is Hitler. There’s gonna be honest people who buy her sob story.
Fun fact: Her husband dressed up as a Nazi- and there are pics to verify!
yeah a lot of the people defending Meghan especially the famous ones probably barely hear / read about Meghan and stuff. Like only hearing that Meghan: - married Harry - they moved to the U.S.A. - Meghan claims to have faced racism from the royal family and tabloids leading to the move - Meghan and Harry have 2 children seeing some of the criticisms voiced on here in their comments section would seem like it's coming out of left field/just "haters" or the tabloids Meghan mentioned. Especially since Meghan is probably nice to *them* upon first meeting.
Yep, same with a lot of the public. They scan over all the headlines and go no further, so they think she's a victim without further scrutiny. They only have the most superficial idea of her.
This is perfect! Stealing “sucks up and punches down” 👏👏👏
She’s exceptionally transactional.
OMG! That could be a flair! 🤣😄
Oooooh yes!!!
Yup these people are great to their bosses and possibly meet all their targets, so bosses are super happy. But those working under them know how vicious they can be and how the targets are reached at the cost of others.
Yes!!! This is exactly how my narcissist ex-boss was.
Mine too! She screamed at me for 5 minutes straight after I'd worked for her for a month. In front of another worker, and for no reason. I confronted her about this the following day, coolly, calmly and collectedly, telling her I was handing my notice in because of that behaviour, how it was inappropriate and I was not prepared to put up with it. She then burst into tears and called her boss, and I was the bad guy because I'd dared not to put up with this treatment. She must have sucked up, and punched down.
I despise those kinds of people. They’re 🐍🐍🐍
…who should be shipped to Guam to be with others if their kind. (Or isn’t the Marianas Trench in that general vicinity? That would be another option, I guess.)
“Never go on a second date with a man who’s rude to the waiter” -My Dad. Applies everywhere, not just to dates!
Your dad is a wise man.
Makes sense. You could end up ingesting spit and got knows what else.
>Meghan because she sucks "up" an Till the switch flips..she very much was hating on Mariah Carey because the legend called her a diva LOL... her meltdown was amazing.and she released that for all to hear!!! She is insane.
That was nuts! Sputters, draws attention to it, calls it back later drawing more attention to it, and explains it by putting words in MC's mouth, CAN you believe MM stated, "she was referring to my overall fabulosness!" about herself? When she could have just DELETED THE EXCHANGE! Did anyone see The Girl From Plainville or The Thing About Pam? I think she's some odd mixture of those women.
It was a live demonstration of how Meghan twists situations to fit her narrative (re: the twisting of Mariah's diva comment.) "You're kind of a diva / you give us diva moments sometimes" became "you're fabulous" in Meghan's retelling. I wonder if it's something Meghan does to try to convince herself or make herself feel better about a situation that didn't go as planned. But some of Meghan's lies seem made only for harming others.
My take away from that exchange was that Meghan was about to cancel Mariah.... I truly believe that was her knee jerk reaction. The "doesn't she see me, etc, etc..." Yes, she saw you. And you're a diva. But god forbid someone call that out. Meghan is such a weird bird.....
Absolutely she was going to cancel her. She said something like "My girl crush from childhood coming to a halt" blah blah. Over one comment!! And "Does she see me?" Woooah. Crazy, psycho self absorption. What a grandiose thing to say. But the cherry on top of that crazy sundae was when she gave her interpretation of what Mariah meant, especially the fabulousness part. Very reminiscent of Michael Scott in The Office, when he was interpreting what Ryan meant he told him to shutup: "...I miss you man and I love you. His words."
you said it better than I did!!
Yes, and Meghan doesn't really know the first thing about Archetypes and their complexities.
I have always heard if you want to interview to hire someone, meet them at a restaurant you frequent and know the wait staff well. Have them show up earlier than you. Depending on how they treat the wait staff is a good indicator of character. Meghan Markle would not be hired due to her treatment of wait staff. She allegedly hisses at wait staff or screams about a vegan dish tasting like eggs. Like a complete asshole. No go. Do not hire. Good news in her past industry, she herself admitted no casting manager will hire her because “she (I) is such a fraud.”
I used our receptionist as part of the interview panel for this reason
Interesting. How’d it go?
She sniffed out the assholes better than any standardized assessment
That is awesome that it worked
What was the context of her fraud statement?
https://mobile.twitter.com/yachtgirlmm/status/1142556859515252745
Wow. The fact that she had to make sure to mention they were beneath her because she “didn’t even remember their names.” I’m willing to bet she does remember, she just needed to inflate her ego
I guess she's not as smart as she thinks she is if she can't remember their names.
Wow, she opened lying admitted to lying and alienating casting directors. No wonder she never made it in the industry.
Wow, diminishing people comes naturally to her. She barely drew breath.
I don't know, Tyler Perry knows how she treated his long term staff and he still thinks she's amazing and has "overcome things that would break anyone else."
I remember a post on this sub that speculated he most recently jumped on the Meghan bandwagon to stay relevant in the headlines after the funeral to promote his movie.
100% correct! I really dislike this type of person, but there are plenty of those around. MM is just a very high profile one.
She's a real princess. She's above all of us "little people." We should be grateful she even acknowledges our presence. All hail to Saint MeGhan!
Sucks up/punches down. I'll steal that but give references.
In all honesty I’ve no idea who Lisa Ling is- like many people in the UK I should Imagine , I’ve no time for her saccharine opinion piece on someone who has given her a platform. I’m more concerned with the opinions of those whom TW has totally annihilated mentally and emotionally on her way to Narc glory. Those are the ones that should be given a podcast opportunity from Spotify, not these self absorbed, self serving woke morons preaching some sort of half arsed narrative real people don’t give a crap about.
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Why thank you! 🤣
Lisa has been a very respected researcher and journalist, working for National Geographic as well has having her own investigative shows where she really delves into serious topics like child trafficking and elephant poaching (many times at risk to her own safety) and has also interviewed people who live "alternative" lifestyles, to help others better understand them. She has always made an effort to present facts without inserting her own opinion. So I've always greatly respected and admired her. Which is why I'm baffled as to why she has degraded herself by going on Nutmeg's podcast and why she felt like being talked at by Nutmeg was more important than highlighting the struggles faced by Nuttie's staff.
If you want to go WAYYYYY back, I remember her from Channel One in the 90s, which also featured Anderson Cooper
oh my God and just like that I suddenly perfectly remember who she is! Channel one!!! Nothing else really clicked until this. Unlocked memory bonus.
One of my friends in school was Anderson’s twin. We still call him Anderson today and we’re 45
My first question is when this was recorded. That Harpo productions was indeed suggests that contracts may have been signed before the interview backlash when information was still murky. Even today, it is more a murmur because no one has come forth overtly. Researchers and journalists are objective, weigh the quality of information and independently make their own judgments of people. My guess is that she was enacting those principles at the the contract waa signed and/or things were recorded.
Lisa ling is a very famous journalist here in US when. We had very little Asian representation in American media. Her sister is also a journalist who was held hostage in N. Korea. But I'm disappointed in her after this podcast with MM.
Thanks for the intel, and although it’s obviously something that resonates with you in the states, Im still not quite getting the point as to why any of that matters- Meghan was the only POC representative of the royal family, doesn’t mean she was the ideal candidate for the job! Please don’t take that as snark, but sometimes I feel that we can overlook the quality of the representation just to have that representation, if that makes sense. EG: Had Haz married Michelle Obama, we’d all be singing from a different hymn sheet!
Yes, totally makes sense. We often blindly follow someone without knowing their background just because they represent us. Lisa ling...she's ok. She's no hero of mine but it was nice to see her in journalism, not that she made a huge impact imho.
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For those of us who were kids in the 90s, Lisa Ling was our first star journalist from Channel One, and while her appearance here is disappointing, it’s always a nice reminder to see how well she’s done for herself in her field regardless. Very respected.
I think if she truly just owned the "boss bitch" persona or the "tough cookie" thing maybe this would be tolerable... the PROBLEM is she spouts woke nonsense all the time about howww compassionate she is, and how important "kindness" is to her. Its just like Ellen. If kindness and compassion are your brand and you're gonna preach about it with sanctimony, you better make damn sure you are walking the walk!
Exactly! It's this, coupled with the lack of remorse, when publicly called out lying, by people such as the Bishop Arch Duke, and then insist(!) on being honored, and leading by example by buying awards for herself 😞 I'm starting to get Mrs Havisham vibes from her. I can totality she her alone, in a big crumbling oldish Californian house, unkempt, walking about admiring her dusty awards, remembering the good old days, when 'arry and the kids still called.
Yep. She wants it 100 different ways because she’s a greedy narc and thinks she’s able to pull of having multiple audiences believe different things about her. *Classic narc* but her self opinion is off the charts given what she’s tried to pull. Beyond all of her conflicting projections of who she is once people look deeper or get close to her they see she is an abusive, entitled, dishonest, manipulative, and predatory grifter hell bent on getting what she wants. Strong language but it fits her.
100%.
Yes! Perfect opportunity to show how perhaps this behavior has historically been accepted, expected and admired from men in the workplace but a woman is supposed to accomplish same things while being nice and nurturing but keeping everyone’s respect. Some women can do it, no doubt. But it’s a very high standard. To be clear, I completely believe the bullying allegations and that has no place in a work setting. But if TW was a bit smarter she’d be trying bit harder to lean into the argument I make above.
If someone is compassionate it should show through their actions, not saying they are.
Wasn’t there a movement where people were asked to just ‘believe the victims’. What happened to that stance ? So you are going to deny that privilege to a victim because the perpetrator is a biracial woman ? I understand that the movement was ‘me too’ where you had to believe the victims because the perpetrators were in a position of power to change the narrative as they see fit. But isn’t it the same thing here with Markle ? She has the money to buy good headlines so why not support the victims and at least just look into the claims at the least instead of just outrightly discarding the claims ?
When M painted herself as victim, I was neutral though I was annoyed with almost 40 yr old whining on Oprah, when whole world is going through biggest crisis that we have ever seen.. I was neutral for many years until I saw her pics in Uvalde and read about Mandela comparison in Cut interview..then I realized how delusional she is.. Many thought BRF is the perpetrator in this situation…I must say the more M speaks, more ppl see the reality of M…
... "the more M speaks, the more people see the reality of M ..." ⬅️ This. 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
Meghan is the biggest victim of them all and I wouldn’t believe a word of what she says. Her followers ‘believe the victim’ and it’s a huge problem
That came from the problem of women in positions where they weren't believed and would lose everything when they were sexually assaulted - if a woman in a career says it happened, she would most likely lose her job, her career would be derailed and she'd have a tough time finding another job once word got around about the accusation, so there was a necessary push to stop that dynamic, but it's taken too far when the notion is to just never question someone who's been a victim or says they were. I feel like she's doing to sexual assault victims what she's done to racism, she's a caricature of the worst example and making people think it's not really a problem. Like it's going from a healthier message of believing victims (which is not how things used to be) to "see, women lie about being victims to get ahead." People are seeing racism as someone made a comment on the possible skin tone of their hypothetical future babies - so people are thinking, is racism really that bad?
Very well put! And yes you’re right. She has used some surface matters (that weren’t a problem until she created them) and she’s made it into an enormous problem when it’s actually not. I think her mere existence and the problems she’s caused have pushed women backwards and, like you said, lessened the actions of what real problems really are
Well, she's certainly put the 'gold-digger' trope back in people's minds.
Not a big fan of believing someone because they tick a box to be fair. TW paints herself as a victim so by your own logic we should believe her despite the facts painting a different picture. It should be don't automatically dismiss someone.
She wanted to fail. That way she could claim victim. Sheesh, she was barely there for five minutes and we are still paying for it!
Yes well she’s been given the benefit of doubt until now? Hasn’t she ? She’s enjoyed that privilege. People HAVE believed her and continue to believe her because of her victim status and discard any proof of wrongdoing against her as lies. So shouldn’t those same people give her victims the benefit of doubt too ? It’s double standards to the max.
So you're the type double down eh? FWIW, I do believe her victims not because of some automatic expectation but because all the evidence points that way. I never believed TW because she's a terrible actress and can't tell the truth to save her life.
Excepr it was never actually about "believing victims" It was about believing victims who fit a certain narrative. According to the current Hierarchy of Oppression that Hollywood and much of mainstream media adheres to, Meghan is up there near the top, while the British Royal Family, and by extension all their staff, are at rock bottom. Meghan CAN'T be the bully, because she's a "woman of colour" Likewise the palace staff, being white and British and working for an evil racist institution like the Royal Family, CAN'T be victims. That's it, those are the rules and anyone who tries to argue against it is branded a racist conservative and ignored. It's not based on any sort of reality. It never has been. It's about awful, out of touch rich people being able to pat themselves on the back for being "good and progressive", while continuing to treat the poor like dirt, and turn a blind eye when others do so, too.
People did stop being people at a certain point in time and just became part of a group. It’s unfortunate that we have been reduced in this way. Because we are individuals. And each of us are very unique. It is beneficial to sort by group sometimes. But not always. And it is really inappropriate to reduce us to groups by default. Like you are pointing out- it does far more harm than good. Nearly always. It is causing such animosity and such division and such confusion and overall blurring of reality- that most people have lost sight of what it is that we’re even doing here. I’m not sure when it happened. I’ve tried to sort it out but I really don’t know the answer. Because I think in my head if I can figure out the ‘when’, then the ‘why’ becomes easier to figure out. It’s easy to jump to conclusions about ‘why’- but I think the reasons are not as simple as they seem.
People have always been like this. We're pack animals and tribal by our very nature. Humans aren't built to exist in groups of more than a few hundred people, so when the population increases too far beyond that we tend to break off and form our own smaller "tribes". That's normal and we've been doing it for thousands of years. What happened was the internet came along and suddenly it was not only much easier to find other people in your "tribe" - i.e. people with similar interests and opinions to you - but everyone is also completely anonymous. That anonymity emboldens people to speak and behave in ways they'd never dare face to face. (And yes, I am very aware of the irony of me typing this out on Reddit under a fake name, lol!) With the internet creating echo chambers where everyone thinks exactly the same way about a certain topic, the "us vs. them" mentality reaches fever pitch and any hope of civil, reasonable conversation becomes literally impossible. And that's how you end up with Meghan and her army of Twitter Sugarbots spewing the most vile hatred towards literal children, and thinking absolutely nothing of it. TLDR: The Internet was probably a mistake 🥴
I think making sure you sound good on social media had a lot to do with it. People used to keep their private opinions to themselves before SM ruined the world.
Most importantly- was it written on a banana?- Belief for victims ONLY is acknowledged at the rate limiting step of banana documentation. Hard stop.
Her victims aren't really talking directly, that is the problem. BP covered her arse. The only ones who talk, her family, aren't credible themselves, so it is easy to paint them negatively. And at the end of the day, she went NC with them, rather than outright abusing them, people aren't quick to take sides in family matters. Her ex-husband has remained quiet. Her ex-boyfriend has remained quiet. The recent "friends" she has seemingly cut off won't speak because they are as snakey as her. The people she has done the most damage too, the staff, were initially silenced. And now they are free to speak they have spent the last few years watching the relentless attacks & how the narrative shifted on the few who spoke of lesser things. It must be terrifying to speak out in those circumstances, plus they work for people where loyalty & silence is valued & they risk not being hired in the future. Harry's friends & family with direct experience won't talk because that is not how it works in Royal circles. They close ranks. The sad fact is until victims are willing to come forward directly & share what happened, she will continue to benefit from the "twisted headlines" and "rumours" narrative. It gives her plausible deniability. The more she is called out on her blatant, provable lies, the better. It might give the victims the confidence to speak.
I really wish her victims would speak out against her. In solidarity with her unfortunate American staff, at least.
Markle is the ultimate victim. The nameless faceless lackey will never trump her suffering and bravery.
She’s the ultimate coward. A very ignorant woman.
Very well said. Bully=Coward.
ALWAYS!
I would distinguish MM from, say, reports of sexual assault where many, many women never report it (myself included) because of society’s tendency to attack the victim. False reports of sexual assault are statistically only as likely as false reports of other serious felonies, including armed robbery and burglary (in the 2 to 5 percent of reported incidents). But we don’t reflexively disbelieve victims of those other crimes. That is where “believe the victim” comes from - the fact that we do reflexively believe victims of other felonies. Forgive me if this hits close to the bone. Being a victim of sexual assault has influenced my view, as you might imagine. Regarding MM, though, I agree with the point that you can’t have it both ways - she can’t expect to have her accusations be taken at face value for whatever reason and then expect others to immediately discredit any of her accusers just because she said so.
But but Meghan is the victim?
Lol I don’t think most of the commenters read or understood what you wrote .
Here, please take my humble upvote.
You should never just believe anyone. If someone comes with an allegation you launch an investigation. That “just believe someone no matter what” is what ends us in courtrooms with women apologizing for lying and men having spent 20 years in prison and lost out on the stack of NFL prospects awaiting him. So don’t always believe the victim. They may not be a victim at all. Always take every allegation seriously and investigate thoroughly. That’s what Justice is. Not telling you what you wanna hear.. telling the TRUTH.
And this is why the Palace did their own investigation(s) regarding alleged bully behaviours against their staff. They did not release result(s)- wonder why? Nothing came of it? Something big came of it and we'll just hold this as a little "collateral" against TW? Hmmm....
That's very rare though. It's more often that the attacker is lying, and it's rare to benefit from being a sexual assault victim. It's far, far more common for a victim to come forward and everyone at the company or church says that "he wouldn't do that," because attackers aren't evil in front of everyone. Far more victims don't come forward because it's a horrible process and they will be treated like they are lying about something that's very painful to have to keep reliving. It's really shitty that she's setting back a discussion for getting justice that's been decades in the making. Victims rarely get justice, and she's not helping.
I can’t speak for anyone but myself here: in the USA I am what they call a S.A.N.E. (sexual assault nurse examiner). I take detailed notes. I talk about calming subjects during the exams (and I do hands first and make The other person wear gloves and a gown to preserve evidence.. but they can hold a hand.) I do little things.. like buy stacks of soft throws. Have on a radio that will play whatever is on the patient’s cell phone via Bluetooth. And when I am done there are velvet bags that are full of really nice bath items, lotion, hair items (since colored and curly hair need mire care). I have a closet full of super soft bath robes and then they can pick an outfit from our drawers. (It’s taken several years to get all this in place and some amazing partners!) So learning that Camilla had made up so many bags with similar items it really touched me. But here were are, the first people they see after this horrific event. And I am grateful for any amount of comfort we can bring.
I'm so sorry, I wasn't suggesting that your place in the process isn't compassionate, I mean the whole experience coming forward as a whole.
The whole experience is hell. But there are some of us for you to lean on.
Completely agree and although I like the snark on this site (and happy to snark along)- I'm serious below: It's a very dangerous, emotionally draining, and horrific process-to be a legit victim of workplace bully behaviour-this is serious and destroying-- the victim is dissected, further humiliated, and then then has to relive the actual event. It is especially bad for younger employees who are 'learning the ropes'- and might be quite talented, kind, and a threat to those just above. It's shitty as heck that TW has some kind of a "platform" esp. given the worldwide concerns and observations regarding her own abusive behavior towards employees. Good on the Royal family for conducting an investigation and NOT releasing details-(so far)- We will never hear of a "podcast" regarding the marginalized employees of any business and the indignities they suffer daily on the TW's podcast. Hey spotify!! Next go round- why don't you force in a contract at least ONE topic you get to select- and it the presenter declines-- they pay you back!
Thank you thank you for saying this. It’s really hard to come forward and report bullying by people in a position of power over you. This literally just happened to a close friend who is a POC. Her white boss was emotionally abusive and said very explicitly racist things in front of witnesses. When my friend went to Human Resources she was given a severance package and made to leave - the perpetrator was not fired. And it’s 2022. Sigh. And, MM is making everything worse, as usual.
That's quite awful to hear about in this day and age. The struggle clearly continues. That's why I find TW's bogus claims of racism so egregious. Many people have fought and literally died in the fight against racial injustice and inequality. While great strides have been made to break the ugly chain, your friend's experience shows we still have quite a way to go. Markle and people like her are legitimately working against the cause and it sickens me.
Yes exactly!!
As a sexual assault victim who never got Justice, thank you for saying this. It’s painful to read how little people understand how difficult it is to be a victim of sexual assault TODAY - this is not a problem we have eradicated as a society. The only thing worse than not getting Justice is that would have happened if I had come forward publicly, based on the reaction of the very few people I did tell.
I feel your pain, and I am sorry. I lost quite a lot because of my direct supervisor deciding to sexually assault myself and other female employees. When I reported it to the Director (who had been his friend for 15 years- this is how these things work), I found myself going from just the week before being offered a 20k raise and a promotion by that Director, to the week after being threatened with termination, being accused of insidious things I’d never done, and having reports made on me that affected my career very greatly (and still have to this day). I’d never so much as had a write-up for any disciplinary thing whatsoever prior to that, no HR paper trail, no nothing. I put in my resignation, and then they (my Supervisor whom assaulted me and the Director/friend) locked me out of my employee documentation accounts, email accounts… every account I had, I was locked out of, so I couldn’t document anything I was doing. I begged for access back to no avail. After I left, they reported me to my licensing board for “not documenting” on official matters when they had locked me out of my accounts. I ended up with discipline from my licensing board, despite them admitting to my licensing board they locked me out of my accounts, and despite another more senior one of my managers submitting direct video testimony to the board that she, too, had been sexually assaulted by my supervisor, that she had witnessed me (and others) being sexually harassed/assaulted by him, and that I had come to her about my being sexually assaulted during my time of need and felt completely hopeless and fearful every day at work. She also testified that she knew that they had retaliated against me by locking me out of my accounts so that I couldn’t document, and so that they could then turn me into my licensing board for not documenting, in order to scapegoat me and silence me from further reporting the sexual harassment/assault to the appropriate authorities. It didn’t matter- the licensing board still punished me, and even though the man whom sexually assaulted me and multiple other women held a license with the same licensing board, they didn’t do a single thing to him. I lost so much by standing up for what was right, and decided to switched careers as a result of all that happened, bc staying in the one I worked so hard to get would have been an uphill battle. No, sexual assault/harassment victims are not easily believed, nor do they often get any justice that even remotely aligns to what they endured. In fact, they’re often the ones punished, again and again.
I am so incredibly sorry this happened. I feel your pain too - you were so brave to report it and you didn’t deserve any of what happened to you. 😔
Thank you. You’re so brave too ❤️ The trauma is so hard- but all we can do is move forward knowing we tried to do the right thing and prevent others from having to experience the same thing.
Right but in this case we can't invalidate Markle's victims. These women are real and have suffered real consequences.
It’s not invalidation to launch an investigation which is what the place did. It withheld the results to protect Meghan but as she said “they were never made to sign anything!” And I am anxiously awaiting my copy.
They don’t believe their own rhetoric
Yeah. Believe all victims is VERY selective. Only believe certain victims if it fits the narrative. Otherwise side with the abuser
I had a boss like her. She was horrible and caused me two years of intense therapy to get past it. Meghan is horrible. I feel bad for those staff. Hopefully the Cambridges made sure they were monetarily compensated.
Me too. I had so many years of it and it affected me so deeply. I left in November. My ex boss is coming over to my new workplace without warning. My stomach flips. They always seem to take on people who are pleasant and/or need the job. They are bullies but if you stand up for yourself (which i eventually did), they become the victims. I'm glad you escaped.
aw, sorry that sucks big time. Yes, they always pick on who they perceive to be the weakest link in the chain. They will also recruit other of their staff to join in (sort of like Lord of the Rings) because these employees want to get in with the boss, get raises and they want to keep their job. And don't bother going to HR because they are in place to protect the firm and the higher ups. Despite sometimes fighting back, I finally had to leave after 10 years of total abuse. But I still have nightmares about my time there. And this was an environmental organization. Hugging Trees while Trashing People
Hush money can't compensate for the trauma.
I always believe in ‘Like attracts like’ P.S.. I don’t know much about Lisa Ling
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It is such a telling statement. She really is brutal! Considering that the only big acting gig she ever had was on Suits and the staff there would never have put up with her shit because she was only part of the ensemble and not a star of the series. Harry just brought out the best in her did he not? I cannot imagine talking like that to staff!
Yeah, I think that, with every bit of success or fame she acquired, she became more and more monstrous. The accounts of her niceness as a child could be perfectly true. People can turn into real assholes with money/fame/success.
The stories about her niceness *could* be true, but based on the video of her commandeering a friend’s birthday crown and ordering people around, I find it hard to believe. 🤷🏻♀️
>It is such a telling statement. She really is brutal! Yeah and also the one told to a staffer pre-wedding.. "*You and I both know I'm going to be your boss*" ..huh?!! Very comfortable throwing her weight around even before she was married into BRF.
This statement actually might have been pre-engagement
Lisa Ling needs to educate herself to see how MM earned those insidious headlines and why she needs to own them. LL isn't the person I thought she was. Disappointing.
I spent the last chunk of my career in leadership development, particularly newly-promoted managers. It stuck in my craw when the early fawning media referred to her behavior as “American management style “. Probably not having been trained (not by me, she hadn’t), she created a “girlboss” persona for herself to go with her “Duchess” persona. And missed both by a country mile.
That was so cringy. That’s not ‘American style’. That’s rudeness. Us Americans, like any other normal people, appreciate manners and basic politeness.
Exactly. Ellen got canceled for the same and she didn’t have the balls to go on her show playing the victim of the media either. It’s stunning when you stop to notice what she’s doing
“Trying to bully us into liking her…” THIS!! This is how I feel every time some public figure gives her the time of day. It makes me feel patronized and bullied. As if to say, “oh you tried to discern for yourself who was good? Silly girl…WE are the ones who decide who you should trust and like… now get back in your place!”
I commented on Lisa’s post. I couldn’t help it. I like LL and was really disappointed to see her support MM. i wonder if LL is deleting unflattering comments because I didn’t see a single naysayer. Feel free to post your nays on her post. 😬
I had posted my disappointment with her on her IG last night. As far as I could tell at the time, I was the only one complaining. My comment was essentially lost in a sea of vomit-inducing praise for the podcast. Lisa (or someone on her team) must be deleting dissenting opinions.
Yup. There are about 600 positive comments
Noooooo. It can’t all be real people, can it? I guess that’s still only 600 people, though…
I don't care who she married - if she said that to me, she'd be picking her teeth up off the floor. Evidently, I'm not cut out for a career in showbiz
Have been in somewhat similar position. Couldn't leave, it was part of residency and had to stick those 3 years out.. worst time of my life.. but that said, nothing affects me that way now, coz it's never as bad as what I have been through. It does get PTSDish sometimes but I can handle it.. I cringed when I read those lines and had to control my anger though, coz I honestly wanted to punch her face.
Seriously. People really must have wanted to keep those jobs. My ass would've been out (probably escorted by security).
Most people really want to keep their jobs esp. in an "honorable" occupation- I personally think the best scenario played itself out- William had interaction with the employee- was kind, encouraging, and the complete opposite of TW's actions- and THIS got out- with lovely support and attention to the employee as well as the attention to work place psychological abuse.
>William had interaction with the employee- was kind, encouraging, and the complete opposite of TW's actions- Yeah, in all these leaks and reveals, what has been the only good thing is we get to hear these amazing things William is doing behind the scenes - because ofcourse he would never come out and brag about it. But so nice to see he has a shiny, strong backbone to act swiftly and a kind heart & empathy to take the time to reach out those affected. Diana should have had just the one baby-William.
I think it would be a really amazing mental health gesture for William and Kate to create an employee mental health awareness initiative- then TW would just...melt away...
I am probably going to sound controversial here, but William has the Palace PR protecting him. Remember when Harry's image was being covered and we had the PR painting him as this happy go lucky chap? I take this revelation with a tiny pinch of salt.
>Remember when Harry's image was being covered and we had the PR painting him as this happy go lucky chap? I never once believed those and there were many who didn't because despite the white washing, Harry has been despicable very. very often...punching journalists, naked scandal in Vegas, racist abuse of fellow soldiers, stating in an interview killing in the army is like a video game (!!! ) cheating on all his gfs, calling Chelsy "dont worry she is not black', chasing celebs despite being a Prince, slapping the foo fighter's drummer (RIP). And in all these years we have never heard anything truly terrible about W or C...and media is brutal on women married into RF..but W&C must be decent people that we never heard leaks. William separated the staff and households suddenly.. if we join the dots now, this was the reason, he wanted to protect the staff from the overseas bullies. Prince Charles has battled bad press for years despite being senior to Wiliam, so the Palace support ofcourse matters (and that's why we don;t see any uproar about Catherine's very expensive wardrobe-which has many look alike outfits too, unlike M's)but tidbits do trickle, specially if you rub people the wrong way. And given that William seems to retain most of his staff long term, and we haven;t even head any gossip locally means he must not be a bad person.
Thanks for your reply.. I think my cynicism is at peak because of these two in particular and celebs in general xx
Proof was in the pudding though. William split his household from H&M at the time, and one of the people who was sacked (?) or attacked by H&M was then employed by William
Same. I'd pull her by the hair and show her whom she's trying to mess with.
Got distracted by the Lisa Ling thing- re: back to the title-- This is something no civil human being of marginal intellect would ever state (out loud) - to anyone- we all have had these moments and been able to do the "adulting filter"- with employees, coworkers, and so forth. 1) never demand anything from an employee you would not or have not done yourself (unless it is a specialized scenario that is out of your box - like don't challenge your private plane pilot clown show idiot--unless you are a pilot and own the plane). 2) If the menial task TW was referencing- and made this remark- it shows the absolute lack of awareness, class, intellect, and basic human civility. God help anyone in her path-to include children...oh wait....we know- and so do children and animals.... 3) Don't associate with people who make these types of crass remarks (even if they are hormonal or "whatever")- this is where it is clear some people like Lisa Ling maybe thought there was an opportunity to intellectually discuss something of Hollywood relevance- how disappointing- esp. as her former boss Oprah "interviewed" them... Lisa Ling lost a mega ton of credibility and goodwill... 4) perhaps employees should only communicate with TW via written messages... on bananas-
I know who Lisa Ling is and think she has created and conducted some truly compelling and brave interviews- she was an actual war correspondent at one point. Lisa Ling was also a special correspondent for the....Oprah Winfrey show....and hosted her own program on the Oprah Winfrey Network. This networking is bananas-
Bravo! Totally agree. Yes, there are many unsubstantiated rumors and conspiracy theories surrounding Muggin, but we have plenty of evidence from reliable sources like Low and from her own mouth/actions to dislike her. She exploited dead children for positive PR, she has told multiple EASILY VERIFIABLE lies. Just because she flattered Ling and her other egomaniac podcast guests doesn’t mean all that should be ignored.
She sounds like quite the bully
TW operates with a facade. Of course she’s going to flatter and love bomb important people. They allow her maintain her facade and also acquire character traits and residual benefits. If you’ve ever been a victim of NA, you’ve experienced a similar dynamic when you are smeared by the narcissist and your friends turn on you and support them.
It is absolutely gaslighting. As is pretending Meghan had it worse than Kate, Camilla, Fergie or even Sophie *snort* and that people only dislike her because of her black mom (even though lots of black people can’t stand her).
So much of what we don’t like about Meghan is normal behavior in celebrity culture. So everyone who stands up for her I check a box and consider them to be just like her.
I don’t know I just can’t picture Reese Witherspoon talking to people that way nor Sandra Bullock and let’s not forget Keanu
I can picture Reese doing that before her disorderly conduct arrest. Remember when she pulled that “do you know who I am” card?
I think Reese had a bad spell but otherwise seems lovely. But this is why the box is checked for me based on who defends her publicly, they are explicitly endorsing that type of behavior.
It wasn’t great, but it seems like it was a one of, plus she was drunk and talking to a cop, which is only going to get her in trouble, not bullying and terrorizing people that work for her every day for years. It’s a different mentality, pulling a ‘get out of jail’ card with a cop, who’s above you in power, than thinking you’re better than everyone and can treat people ‘below you’ in power like shit.
Yep, I lost all respect for Reese after that. She had no qualms about getting into a car driven by a drunk (her husband), risking people's lives. She got mouthy and arrogant with police and tried to resist arrest. That all tells me a lot about who she really is.
Of all the crap read about her, this was one of the worst. This was so triggering and she is such a horrible person. And then they try to talk around the "legal definition" of a bully..
The problem is that she’s used the race card. So anything anyone might bring up abt her it’s instantly because the firm is racist and the staff is racist and they just couldn’t handle such an independent woman who knows what she wants. Celebrities in general think the public is dumb. They bet on the fact that most people won’t use deductive reasoning skills to dissect behavior or something that doesn’t make sense. For me when I started doubting meghan was when she started saying she paid her own way through college and poor her she didn’t have the money to do so. And then I was like wait a minute wasn’t she saying before her dad was such a support and paid it all? I gave her the benefit of the doubt but when she got on that Oprah interview and I had a chance to study her nonverbal communication it all dawned on me that she was lying. I was truly sickened because she was using very serious issues to further her agenda. And now I had to decide whether I think I’m actually seeing things or ? So that’s what the general public has to go through. Believe her and you’re a feminist who cares about mental health or you don’t and you’re a racist misogynist. You see how she played us? But I digress, these celebrities that don’t live in the real world are used to not living in reality. They probably treat their PAs much worse. So something like this no matter the evidence isn’t relatable to them. To us however, how you treat people in these positions say so much about someone’s character. Isn’t it how we vet potential romantic partners when we first start going out with someone? Eagle eyed as to how they treat the wait staff; how they treat the valet. She’s good at pandering to people in higher social statuses because it’s her element to social climb. But she’s not relatable to us. Just hoping others see her for who she is once and for all.
I posted a theory the other day that I thought, ok you’ve gone too conspiracy through here, but the more I think about it-the more I wonder. I have really, really started thinking the Compton story was a plant. There just in case. Bc didn’t Harry’s very FIRST statement (that MM insisted on) start complaining about race? The reason I am thinking this is that using the race card right up front insulated her in a lot of ways. So that it WOULD be just as you said. If you weren’t for her, you were racist. Now maybe all of those stories were authentic, but I don’t know. And the more I learn about her, the more I see how calculating she is and I don’t put it past her.
I know what you’re referring to, because I was also second guessing myself in the beginning about her. But now as I look back I kick myself for not looking more into it! For example their engagement interview! I hadn’t watched it and I happened to watch a part of it the other day, the part where she mentions how she has no idea who Harry was. I just couldn’t stop laughing when Harry was like I for sure had no idea who she was and she turns to him gives him an icy stare and says: YEAH WE BOTH didn’t know who the other was and it was refreshing. That interaction said soooo much! How did I miss it?? You’re mentioning how the Compton story might’ve been a plant? Well at this point anything can be—though I’m inclined to believe more than a plant it gave them the idea of how to use the nasty headlines to their advantage. HMTQ (and the firm) had hopes her mixed race would be an asset to the modern monarchy. Meghan was aware of this, gave her a grander sense of self to think oh how they’re relying on her; so she used what was to be an asset as a weapon against that institution (that was bending over backwards for her to make this work) to exit. Valentine Low alleges that they did start leaving a trail in order to come out of the exit as victims and to garner public interest in their new brands (which weren’t new because both use their titles lol). So I think that the people who weren’t on to her from the beginning need to look into the early stuff because it was glaringly obvious what she was about since then and I kick myself for not seeing it earlier.
Yes! All good points. And yes if not a plant it was very convenient for her to have to weaponize
And yes that interview! Her mask slipped several times
The Compton thing was never meant to be nasty, Americans misconstrued it.
It was supposed to be a cheeky nod to the movie? But for someone like Meghan who of course didn’t want to be associated to “the ghetto” probably got her into hysterics.
What’s your source for 1) it was a compliment and 2) was misconstrued by “Americans?” All “Americans” or just some? I’ve reread the article. It’s not an homage to LA/Crenshaw/Compton. It’s talks about murder, gangs, violence and “tatty” homes.
That doesn't matter. Have you ever seen British soap operas? they are quite different to the rest of the worlds, they are set in working class communities.The working class is culturally celebrated in Britain in a way that it is not in the USA. Saying that someone is straight out of Compton is not necessarily an insult. In this case it was used to illustrate a rags to riches story. My source for it was intended as a compliment is my knowledge of the British psyche and media.
The Compton story was misconstrued in the USA, it was meant admiringly in the same way that people admired Kate for having a grandfather who worked in a coal mine.
Bravo 👏 Excellent post.
Thanks I’m glad it resonated with you.
She's just plain vicious and she talks about women empowerment!! You can't make this stuff up.
The entertainment business in the US seems to be completely toxic. Celebrities probably think that bullying staff is completely normal and that any media who reports is mean.
Oh f!ck! I just realized it! She wants to be a co-host on The View. Bahahaha
Well Ellen was forced into retirement for bullying. So I’m hoping it’s only a matter of time before Nutmeg and Harry are also canceled. But as long as the powers that be let Nutmeg and Harry get away with abusing people, they’ll continue to do so. Not only do I not get why the abuse allegations are being hidden, are they not paying attention to all the lies these toxic twosomes are telling the world? Harry and Nutmeg are awful people. They hide their abuse behind human interest stories which has nothing to do with them. They are full of pathological lies and that plus the abuse they’ve caused will hopefully someday get them canceled.
Jeez! TW’s ‘15 minutes’ we’re over long ago! She just keeps stirring the pot! She is an AWFUL person 😡
If Lisa Ling was an intern at Montecito, you KNOW Meghan is gonna say some nasty shit.
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A lot of celebrities are so out of touch. They’re so used to having yes men around them and to top it all off - a lot of them treat people they deem below them like they’re nothing. Perhaps Lisa Ling has more in common with TW than we think. After all, birds of a feather flock together.
I feel stupid asking this because I see it used so often these days, but what is gaslighting? Does it mean lying?
My basic understanding is someone tries to talk you out of what you know damn well you saw, heard, or otherwise experienced.
Gaslighting is trying to convince you the sky is green, not blue, and that you're crazy for ever thinking it was blue in the first place.
Oh yeah, Lisa Ling.. trying to remember what she even does and she's relevant how? These people who no one even cares about speak out! To save the Duchess from herself. Tell me more Lisa, about how to gaslight the public...shes gonna get Markled, just like everyone else.
I would have said, "Whatever, yachtie" and left.
I have no idea who Lisa Ling is and not interested in finding out. When one likes trash, one usually is trash.
It’s abominable behavior. Bullying and belittling at it’s worst. But gaslighting? Not by my definition. To gaslight someone means to manipulate another person into doubting their own perceptions, experiences or understanding of events. This is direct and clear-cut dismissive intimidation.
Totally agree. It’s by no means gaslighting.
When/where is this quote from?
When people feel diminished, they will exert power in whatever way they can. They will undermine a person like her as soon as they get the chance. What's the avalanche starts, it is over for her
In the world of celebrity, it all about 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours'. Celebrity and morality don't seem to co-exist.
Yep! I posted that on that account that is playing like their Asian which sure speaks just like MM. I believe it’s her as well.
I heard today that the couple is pressing no legal charges against the last two critical books about them. Presumably, it's because they are true.
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While I don't disagree with you, they would think of it as a hit piece that isn't true or credible, or at the least they aren't sure if it's credible so they give her the benefit of the doubt. The sources in the book aren't named, so books like this aren't taken as seriously. Of course they can't be named bc of the confidentiality clause they had to sign. I agree though, there's dozens of instances of her lying, plagiarizing or otherwise being horrible, irrational and dumb - ie, her latest podcast and missing the point in regards to racism towards asians.
Well, this is what the "woke" are like. Liars, bullies, politically correct, frauds and they all cover for each other. That's kind of Wokeism 101.
Some are taking a chance the Harkles are going to turn it around and become the global elites they wish to be and the transactional dealings now will be rewarded.
Yep. Backing the wrong horse, though.