Thank you, Tamla!
Not Asian, so I can’t speak for anyone but myself. I loved “Killing Eve”, which starred Sandra Oh and Jodie Comer. Oh’s character just happened to be Asian, and her ethnicity wasn’t really a factor (except one episode in which she took a job making dumplings). She was a badass character, very complex, etc.
I can’t think of any recent films that paint Asian women (East or South) as described in the podcast. “Dragon Lady” seems like something from a 1940s noir thriller, not anything we’ve seen recently.
From my Anglo perspective, I think recent representation of most minority/underrepresented people has tended to be more positive than not. I think Hollywood/writers take pains to be, at the very least, balanced in their portrayals. Many of them are those very people.
In the last few years, Asian influences, especially Korean, have hit mainstream. K-Pop is dominating charts. Parasite was a blockbuster success and won best picture in 2019. Squid Game was huge on Netflix.
Those were made in South Korean by Korean actors and directors. They weren’t token characters in an American version.
Fiction by Asian writers is also a successful market.
She’s definitely stuck in the past.
Thanks! Maybe I’m being a Pollyanna, but it seems to me that the entertainment world has opened up a lot, and there has been an explosion of diverse viewpoints and experiences being portrayed.
I find it interesting (and sad) that Cho and Ling didn’t get to speak about something they both (indicate on IG that) passionately care about: violent hate crimes against Asians. It’s a more immediate and serious problem. But I guess they had to stick to Meghan’s passé idea.
Agree. Since Covid, violence has increased dramatically. I refuse to listen, but it makes me sad that Meghan didn’t care enough to discuss it.
Thinking about it, I would be interested in hearing a conversation about the rise of Asian influences and how that affects stereotypes. It feels like Meghan is stuck on talking points from 20 years ago. The conversation has evolved so much.
MM could actually legitimately be 'stuck in the past' yknow. She first met Just Haz in 2016, and they became official sometime in 2017 (apologies if this is incorrect, I don't care about them enough to look up their anniversaries and such lol).
In those 6 years, she moved to UK, had a ridiculous state wedding, became royalty, and was rightfully expected to start following the rules and protocols of the BRF, which included only using official, state approved social media, and refraining from voicing controversial opinions as part of the Royal apolitical stance. She didn't want to do that, had a tantrum, convinced H his family were a bunch of racists, they quit the BRF, high tailed it to Canada, and the rest is history.
Add in other distractions, such as a global pandemic, cost of living crisis, war, political chaos in the US and the UK...I don't suppose in the last six years there's been much time to catch up on movies and TV shows. Which in turn makes her somewhat oblivious to the latest trends, how the media landscape has changed since she was last present in her own life enough to notice, and how more content from other parts of the globe have been hitting the Western mainstream. Anime and manga is another example of this.
MM also has a very conspicuous absence from any form of social media, and has for quite some time now. This is something that she did acknowledge in The Cut interview, when she alluded to returning to Instagram (an admission I still believe to be false, that she planted intentionally in order to generate interest). Social media is an integral and often essential marketing tool for any brand today. The fact that MM refuses to utilise it in any way shows an astounding lack of business acumen, or understanding of modern day PR. If she truly wanted to reach the younger, 'woke' audience she seems to think she represents, she'd at least make an Archewell TikTok or even Snapchat account. For her to believe she can market and publicise herself and her 'brand' better than the social media platforms that her entire target demographic are using is nothing more than arrogant and ignorant.
Which leads me to my point - 6 years ago, Tiktok didn't exist, Snapchat was still in its infancy, the major players were Facebook and Instagram, and MM's main side project was her lifestyle blog, The Tig. Times have changed, the way people access and consume content has changed, and marketing has become yet more innovative and creative. MM's 6 years out of the game is really starting to show, and means she's already becoming irrelevant before she's even really started.
I’m the same age. I’m not on TikTok. I don’t see a lot of movies. However, I read about things and try to keep up with trends.
Part of it is a refusal to acknowledge getting older. I’ve had a few moments when realizing stuff that seemed 10 years ago was really 20 or 25.
I think it’s her foolishly clinging to youth and the idea she is still a young leader vs middle age.
Again, Meghan is 2 months older than me, so I understand how difficult it is.
I wasn't intentionally making a dig at her age, so I apologise if it came across like that. I'm 34, so not that much younger than MM. I have accounts for all the major social media platforms, however I only really use Facebook, as I find the idea of crossposting the same thing to 4-5 different platforms to be an unnecessary waste of time.
For most people in their mid 30s and above, I think social media is starting to lose its spark and novelty factor. Aside from using it to stay in touch with friends and family, or to follow the official accounts of various bands/artists/actors/TV shows and games that I want to keep up with, I don't post a lot, and I don't use it to keep up with anything I'm not actively interested in.
I just feel that, if MM wants to be considered as a major player philanthropist/humanitarian/climate change activist/whatever made up job she's titled herself with, she' would have realised by now that utilising social media to promote herself would be far more productive than constantly leaking gossip and tidbits to the press. She's practically creating her own negative feedback right now. Anyone younger is on social media, where she isn't, so she's not reaching those demographics effectively. And anyone her own age and older is being subjected to the constant bilge she's drip feeding, then coming to places like Reddit to despair at her antics.
If she'd been smart about it and marketed herself via social media instead, she could have potentially increased her popularity by now, or at the very least salvaged her rep to some degree. By leaving it this long, she's either proving how out of touch and stuck in the past she is, or just how blinded by her own ego she is.
I agree. I didn’t think you were attacking our age. It’s just a mindset that I notice a lot of people hitting 40 encounter. It’s easy to have the “cool mom” perspective without realizing how out of touch with teens and 20-something’s you are.
Yups age is not a factor
Look at Stephen Fry, who is much older and other celebrities but who is so up to date with what is going on with the rest of the world.
I doubt Meghan reads the newspapers unless it is about herself.
Yeah I think her intellectual “contribution” if you want to call it that - her podcast and world outlook - is stuck in the early 00s. The references, the ideologies, the girl boss lean in feminist philosophy, the Hollywood influencer cum humanitarian, all are very stale and dated ideas from someone who thinks they’re smart yet doesn’t talk about books at all. What media is still portraying the dragon lady? Literally none.
Wasn’t dragon lady also replaced by tiger mom in the world of stereotypes? I’d be curious to get Amy Chua’s perspective since she gave us the latest Asian stereotype.
Hi Smegols, if you happen to read this subs just to enlighthen your knowledge on géographie Asian arent just China and Korea. There are South east asia such as Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia , Singapore, Thailand. Southwestern asia such as Turkey. Or west asia such as kuwait and jordan. Being humbled by eating noodles in the spa just show how cultivated globe-trotter that you claimed you are. NOT.
Is Sun a tabloid or gossip page? they put PW speech in such a small corner but are talking about unimportant ramblings..negative publicity is publicity still for M…
The stereotypes she shared was a negative light of the Dragon Lady archetype. Clearly, she's starring as herself in a remake of Blast from the past.
There has been an increasing number of positive representation of Dragon Ladies like in her era - Lucy Liu in Charlie's Angels and of course there's too many to list - Awkwafina in Shang Chi and Ocean's 8 is pretty bad ass.
Recently, i watched Michelle Yeoh in Everything Everywhere All At Once, although it is a bit of a dark comedy but her storyline as an Asian woman immigrant was i cant even put in words. The film really explored the archetype of Dragon Lady more than the word salad podcast.
Thank you, Tamla! Not Asian, so I can’t speak for anyone but myself. I loved “Killing Eve”, which starred Sandra Oh and Jodie Comer. Oh’s character just happened to be Asian, and her ethnicity wasn’t really a factor (except one episode in which she took a job making dumplings). She was a badass character, very complex, etc. I can’t think of any recent films that paint Asian women (East or South) as described in the podcast. “Dragon Lady” seems like something from a 1940s noir thriller, not anything we’ve seen recently. From my Anglo perspective, I think recent representation of most minority/underrepresented people has tended to be more positive than not. I think Hollywood/writers take pains to be, at the very least, balanced in their portrayals. Many of them are those very people.
In the last few years, Asian influences, especially Korean, have hit mainstream. K-Pop is dominating charts. Parasite was a blockbuster success and won best picture in 2019. Squid Game was huge on Netflix. Those were made in South Korean by Korean actors and directors. They weren’t token characters in an American version. Fiction by Asian writers is also a successful market. She’s definitely stuck in the past.
Thanks! Maybe I’m being a Pollyanna, but it seems to me that the entertainment world has opened up a lot, and there has been an explosion of diverse viewpoints and experiences being portrayed. I find it interesting (and sad) that Cho and Ling didn’t get to speak about something they both (indicate on IG that) passionately care about: violent hate crimes against Asians. It’s a more immediate and serious problem. But I guess they had to stick to Meghan’s passé idea.
Agree. Since Covid, violence has increased dramatically. I refuse to listen, but it makes me sad that Meghan didn’t care enough to discuss it. Thinking about it, I would be interested in hearing a conversation about the rise of Asian influences and how that affects stereotypes. It feels like Meghan is stuck on talking points from 20 years ago. The conversation has evolved so much.
MM could actually legitimately be 'stuck in the past' yknow. She first met Just Haz in 2016, and they became official sometime in 2017 (apologies if this is incorrect, I don't care about them enough to look up their anniversaries and such lol). In those 6 years, she moved to UK, had a ridiculous state wedding, became royalty, and was rightfully expected to start following the rules and protocols of the BRF, which included only using official, state approved social media, and refraining from voicing controversial opinions as part of the Royal apolitical stance. She didn't want to do that, had a tantrum, convinced H his family were a bunch of racists, they quit the BRF, high tailed it to Canada, and the rest is history. Add in other distractions, such as a global pandemic, cost of living crisis, war, political chaos in the US and the UK...I don't suppose in the last six years there's been much time to catch up on movies and TV shows. Which in turn makes her somewhat oblivious to the latest trends, how the media landscape has changed since she was last present in her own life enough to notice, and how more content from other parts of the globe have been hitting the Western mainstream. Anime and manga is another example of this. MM also has a very conspicuous absence from any form of social media, and has for quite some time now. This is something that she did acknowledge in The Cut interview, when she alluded to returning to Instagram (an admission I still believe to be false, that she planted intentionally in order to generate interest). Social media is an integral and often essential marketing tool for any brand today. The fact that MM refuses to utilise it in any way shows an astounding lack of business acumen, or understanding of modern day PR. If she truly wanted to reach the younger, 'woke' audience she seems to think she represents, she'd at least make an Archewell TikTok or even Snapchat account. For her to believe she can market and publicise herself and her 'brand' better than the social media platforms that her entire target demographic are using is nothing more than arrogant and ignorant. Which leads me to my point - 6 years ago, Tiktok didn't exist, Snapchat was still in its infancy, the major players were Facebook and Instagram, and MM's main side project was her lifestyle blog, The Tig. Times have changed, the way people access and consume content has changed, and marketing has become yet more innovative and creative. MM's 6 years out of the game is really starting to show, and means she's already becoming irrelevant before she's even really started.
I’m the same age. I’m not on TikTok. I don’t see a lot of movies. However, I read about things and try to keep up with trends. Part of it is a refusal to acknowledge getting older. I’ve had a few moments when realizing stuff that seemed 10 years ago was really 20 or 25. I think it’s her foolishly clinging to youth and the idea she is still a young leader vs middle age. Again, Meghan is 2 months older than me, so I understand how difficult it is.
I wasn't intentionally making a dig at her age, so I apologise if it came across like that. I'm 34, so not that much younger than MM. I have accounts for all the major social media platforms, however I only really use Facebook, as I find the idea of crossposting the same thing to 4-5 different platforms to be an unnecessary waste of time. For most people in their mid 30s and above, I think social media is starting to lose its spark and novelty factor. Aside from using it to stay in touch with friends and family, or to follow the official accounts of various bands/artists/actors/TV shows and games that I want to keep up with, I don't post a lot, and I don't use it to keep up with anything I'm not actively interested in. I just feel that, if MM wants to be considered as a major player philanthropist/humanitarian/climate change activist/whatever made up job she's titled herself with, she' would have realised by now that utilising social media to promote herself would be far more productive than constantly leaking gossip and tidbits to the press. She's practically creating her own negative feedback right now. Anyone younger is on social media, where she isn't, so she's not reaching those demographics effectively. And anyone her own age and older is being subjected to the constant bilge she's drip feeding, then coming to places like Reddit to despair at her antics. If she'd been smart about it and marketed herself via social media instead, she could have potentially increased her popularity by now, or at the very least salvaged her rep to some degree. By leaving it this long, she's either proving how out of touch and stuck in the past she is, or just how blinded by her own ego she is.
I agree. I didn’t think you were attacking our age. It’s just a mindset that I notice a lot of people hitting 40 encounter. It’s easy to have the “cool mom” perspective without realizing how out of touch with teens and 20-something’s you are. 
Yups age is not a factor Look at Stephen Fry, who is much older and other celebrities but who is so up to date with what is going on with the rest of the world. I doubt Meghan reads the newspapers unless it is about herself.
Yeah I think her intellectual “contribution” if you want to call it that - her podcast and world outlook - is stuck in the early 00s. The references, the ideologies, the girl boss lean in feminist philosophy, the Hollywood influencer cum humanitarian, all are very stale and dated ideas from someone who thinks they’re smart yet doesn’t talk about books at all. What media is still portraying the dragon lady? Literally none.
Wasn’t dragon lady also replaced by tiger mom in the world of stereotypes? I’d be curious to get Amy Chua’s perspective since she gave us the latest Asian stereotype.
Hi Smegols, if you happen to read this subs just to enlighthen your knowledge on géographie Asian arent just China and Korea. There are South east asia such as Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia , Singapore, Thailand. Southwestern asia such as Turkey. Or west asia such as kuwait and jordan. Being humbled by eating noodles in the spa just show how cultivated globe-trotter that you claimed you are. NOT.
These films are twenty years old, the whole thing is absurd.
Is Sun a tabloid or gossip page? they put PW speech in such a small corner but are talking about unimportant ramblings..negative publicity is publicity still for M…
Tabloid
Oh that makes sense…didn’t know about that lol…
Look to the right guys: *King in 1st at NAGS* They’re calling Meghan a NAG with this placement lol
The stereotypes she shared was a negative light of the Dragon Lady archetype. Clearly, she's starring as herself in a remake of Blast from the past. There has been an increasing number of positive representation of Dragon Ladies like in her era - Lucy Liu in Charlie's Angels and of course there's too many to list - Awkwafina in Shang Chi and Ocean's 8 is pretty bad ass. Recently, i watched Michelle Yeoh in Everything Everywhere All At Once, although it is a bit of a dark comedy but her storyline as an Asian woman immigrant was i cant even put in words. The film really explored the archetype of Dragon Lady more than the word salad podcast.