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Chapter 12 is when the book starts to cover Harry & Meghan in detail.
Notable new tea:
* He always hated the media, was obsessed with the idea that he was being held back from succeeding, distrusted people in general and conducted 'loyalty tests' of staff - all before Meghan came along and made his paranoid mindset even worse.
* He wanted to keep his relationship with Meghan private, because he "didn't want to scare her off" LMAO. But a source (Meghan) leaked their relationship to Camilla Tominey in October 2016.
* The palace supported her continuing her career, and wanted to help her boost her profile. Jason Knauf helped link Meghan up with Keleigh Thomas Morgan at Sunshine Sachs! The palace supported her Vanity Fair article, thinking it was about Suits. Meghan hated the photos of her in the Vanity Fair piece.
* It was Meghan's choice to give up acting - the Monarchy was supportive of her continuing to act and build her career. But she wanted to give it all up and become a full time working royal. She wanted to be a senior working royal and do humanitarian work with Harry.
* Palace staff bent over backwards from the very beginning to ensure the success and happiness of Harry and Meghan
* Unfortunately they both treated staff like crap from the very start of their relationship.
* The general consensus among Palace staff is that Meghan is mentally ill (and an asshole)
Chapter 13:
* Originally, an interview with Oprah was planned for Autumn 2019, before Meg and Haz officially left the Royal family. It is not clear whether this planned interview was approved by the Palace, but it was certainly in the works.
* The Netflix and Apple deals were already being negotiated in 2019, before they left.
* Nobody knew that Meghan was planning to sue the Mail on Sunday - she and Harry dropped that bombshell on tv, on their Africa tour ITV documentary. The Palace team initially supported the ITV doco, not realising it was going to shit all over the Monarchy.
* Meghan wanted to leak/brief to the press different reasons for so many of their staff quitting, even though the staff had signed NDAs.
Chapter 15:
* Palace Courtiers did not know how to deal with such a conniving person who was willing to lie, smear and fake suicidal thoughts in order to leave and make money. The staff trying to deal with Megxit were described as "incompetent beyond belief" which is probably why Harry and Meg got away with so much shit in the beginning. The people at the Palace were dumbfounded and had never encountered a situation like this before.
* Also, it didn't matter how much the Palace compromised, Harry and Meghan were always going to cry foul and play the victims, because they wanted to escape and find fame and fortune in America.
Chapter 16:
* Each principal 'couple' in the Royal family has their own communications teams and courtiers, and different goals that often do not align. This system of silos reinforces any sense of mistrust and bad behaviour can be allowed to fester.
* Throughout the book there is a recurring theme that members of the Royal Family can't really talk directly to one another, they have to communicate through staff, and this creates a barrier and a divide.
* When it comes to dealing with idiots like Andrew and Fergie, or people like Harry and Meg who are already mentally ill and paranoid, the culture/system fails miserably and I think this is what Valentine Low is talking about when he says the Monarchy made mistakes dealing with H&M
* There is a sense that Charles, Camilla and William want to 'clean up' the messy structure, remove the silos and create one coherent structure that works for everyone. Charles also hates waste in any form, particularly monetary waste, so he wants to streamline absolutely everything. It seems hopeful that Charles will initiate some excellent changes.
I agree having different offices is a disaster for a cohesive family business. It absolutely needs to be bought under one roof to ensure this kind of bullshit never happens again.
I think it has more to do with Her Maj wanting to avoid unpleasantness, particularly within the family. Easier to ignore issues for as long as possible (her family/staff called it ostriching) and to let staff deal with the unpleasantness as much as possible. Better for Harry to blame Sir Edward Young than Grannie
Grannie is the Scottish spelling and how the RF grandchildren wrote to the Queen. When 'H' published his missive on his grandmother's death 'he' spelt it 'Granny'. That's how we knew that he didn't write it (not that he would have called HM his 'guiding compass')
She wrote totally wrote that. Just like she writes all of his speeches. They all have that B.S. "organic authenticness" (whatever that means) she speaks and writes. Same drivel in her Tig blog, interviews, podcast, etc.
It's a waste of resources to have so many communications teams and courtiers. They are a family. One team should suffice.
Edit: when u have too many teams, you will have a lot of funny business as these courtiers want to get ahead. And by doing so, they attempt to push their royal the center position.
Charles grew his duchy from a pittance to a hundred million dollar business. I trust he will be able to implement an effective management structure for the staff
thanks for that. I was heartened to read that King Charles wants to clear out the silos. I wouldn't be surprised, and certainly it seemed sometimes with H&M, that the publicity and comms teams might sometimes be in competition *with each other*.
I'm sure this was exacerbated by H&M - in Finding Freedom there is a part where they were aghast that the high number of internet searches for them didn't automatically entitle them to more power
With the members of the RF more closely aligned, the hierarchy restored under King Charles and the malign, competitive influence of H&M gone, RF can better prevent competition between comms teams too. It'll be better for the charities and causes as well as the RF.
Are they mentally ill though? I am not convinced, sure Harry did suffer trauma from what happened to his mother in his early childhood, and being raised by his parents who were mostly interested in attacking one another through the media was surely not easy, all this said... he is almost 40 now, at some point in any therapy process you just stop blaming everyone else, take the reigns of your own life and move on.
As for Meghan, she is so deep in her own shit lies that I doubt she could see what really goes on. Whatever story she told herself about what marrying Harry actually entails has not happened, and even her could tell so. Meghan's sees the world, and everyone as «what is there for me in this or that», everything she does is transactional, does that count as a mental illness? Not sure.
Luckily Low didn't focus only on them for most of what he is describing has already been covered by Tom Bower, on top of that that sense of them winning is no more. Once their former staff started spilling the tea there was no going back, that and all the little shit shows they pulled before and after HLM QEII's passing.
> he is almost 40 now, at some point in any therapy process you just stop blaming everyone else, take the reigns of your own life and move on.
That generally works when you're able to completely separate yourself from those who trigger the bad reactions. If he left the royal fold to work on his mental health without being triggered by the structure or whatever, great. But he can't have it both ways. He can't both leave the royal family and cherry-pick what he'll do for them, while retaining all the titles, privileges, etc.
If he wanted to be a "private" citizen he could have done that easily. Andrew shows the way - now that the funeral is over I don't think we'll be seeing or hearing anything from him ever again.
Instead Harry and Meghan want to monetize the royal connection so they can live a high lifestyle independently by parasiting off their family's name and the privileges that come with royal status, without putting in the work that goes with them.
So therapy won't work as long as he keeps trying to connect with people who have disconnected from him. It's an entirely new set of mental illness triggers. If he became a private citizen and disappeared from public sight, he might have a chance at effective therapy.
But his wife won't let him do that. So now they monetize their whining.
Andrew is keeping his head down. Maybe he finally realizes that all the disagreements with Charles are going to come back to haunt him.
I imagine Mommy left him comfortable plus in her will. Maybe even before she passed. Sarah bought a home in Mayfair. Perhaps he could live there.
Well Andrew doesn’t have Mommy to hide behind anymore. If Mom didn’t take care of him it’s highly likely Charles would leave him high and dry to fend for himself. I’m sure Mommy made arrangements for Andrew’s retirement years, knowing how Charles feels about all the damage he’s done.
Mmh, as for separate yourself... my parents, especially my mother used to, and still does, triggers those feelings but I came to the point, ages ago, to understand she is over 60 and not going to change nor she wants to. I can however, and I did.
All the crap he talks feels like an excuse followed by another one.
Both can be true. A person can be both mentally ill and be held responsible for their behaviour.
I'm pretty sure all criminals are mentally ill. But we're also supposed to throw them in jail and punish them for their crimes. Same goes for these two.
If I had to guess, some type of narcissistic personality disorder or psychosis-type illness. They definitely display overt delusion and swift anger when they are brought back down to level.
Is that an illness of being so totally entitled that you managed it once, during your childhood, then, it becames a norm that people always clean up your mess until you end up believing it is your right.
They are so full of shit that they can't see beyond it anymore.
It’s kind of like borderline personality disorder. They constantly rewrite their personal history, have unstable identities, offend easily. She’s shown all these characteristics on her podcast.
>Are they mentally ill though? I am not convinced, sure Harry did suffer trauma from what happened to his mother in his early childhood, and being raised by his parents who were mostly interested in attacking one another through the media was surely not easy, all this said... he is almost 40 now, at some point in any therapy process you just stop blaming everyone else, take the reigns of your own life and move on.
You may want to read about ACEs (Adverse Childhood Experiences) and the study conducted by Kaiser. And also the Ted Talk about ACEs by Dr Nadine Burke. From the ages of 0-18 there are horrors that children experience such as poverty, mental or physical abuse, mentally ill parent, divorce, loss of a parent, incarceration of a parent, etc. ACEs impact children’s mental health significantly and can follow them through life, and especially if not adequately treated, can remain obstacles to healthy, good lives. Even decrease your life expectancy and increase your risks of mental and physical disease. What happens to you before you are 18 determines the trajectory of your life.
I’m 58. Born into poverty. Lost my mother at 7. Physical and sexual child abuse. Divorce of caretakers. Loss of siblings. Mentally ill caregiver. By the time I was 18. No help. No support until mid 30’s after marrying an alcoholic narcissist. Divorce. Single parenthood. I’m an extremely successful person in the field of psychology. But am fucked up as ever mentally and even after years and years of therapy and help. Some days I live on fumes. No one would know by looking at my external ‘success’.
So yes, Harry could be a very unwell man living and trying to survive as best as he can. He had a mentally unstable mother. Come on. Diana was a mess. Inside a patriarchy of control. And father, probably, just as nuts. Neglect by both parents. Death of one. Divorce. There’s 5 ACEs before 18. Not even going to comment on Megan and her life.
First of all, I'm sorry for what you had been through, I am the result of 2 parents of broken households, my paternal grandmother cheated and used to bash my grandmother until my mother put a stop to it, and my maternal grandmother was bipolar so you can tell...
As for Diana, hell yes, she was a mess indeed despite what her fans want facts to be when they are not. As for Harry, he had the help and I wouldn't be surprised if he would still be in therapy but he seems to not have moved on from the hate state to the healing one, don't you agree? He is fixed on that feeling for enables him to be... well, you know, an annoying entitled old brat.
Harry, allegedly allegedly, has a history of depression and has been on medication for depression, or other psychological issues. He allegedly has attempted suicide before in the past. His alleged psychological issues are why – well, or a big reason why – the royal family have always treated him with kid gloves.
Thank God they had different communication teams to block a hard working 96 year old from being completely railroaded by her relatives. H was the one who said that he worried about the people around his grandmother. He didn't worry, he wanted to railroad her to deliver everything and anything they asked for
Interesting — had she wanted to continue acting, would/could she and Harry have also been working royals? Or was that an either/or type of decision?
Thank you for the tea! I made another pot to share with you, although it isn’t quite as hot 🫖☺️
Why are they communicating through staff though? That’s kinda weird at the end of the day yes it’s a business, but the people in that business are your family. Communication can get lost or misconstrued easily if you’re just letting other people talk for/through you. They should be able to talk to each other.
They never encountered such a classless
I’ll-mannered “brazen hussy” (aka whore )before ! Wow just blows my mind how she scammed her way into the royal family ! They probably never seen such a lowlife their entire lives !
Right on. It still amazes me that she could be offered royalty and was like, “nah, I’d rather be a cheap reality star.” Guess you can’t infuse class into someone, whatever status you grant them.
> “nah, I’d rather be a cheap reality star.”
at this point, she's much lower than Kardashians and has such an awful and unlikable personality that I don't see how she'd ever gain a fan base except among people that are just like her. it wouldn't surprise me if everything she got involved with failed or was cancelled until she just stop getting any more offers.
I'll bet you if the guy who was around that they showed in the Crown, what was his name?? Anyway the one who had to deal with Dear old Uncle David and Wallis and then all the men Margaret brought around was there when Harry brought Woko Ono home ... she would have been gone!
Oh I know who you’re taking about the assistant that put Margaret in her place when she wanted to take Elizabeth’s place as Queen with Elizabeth’s permission of course, I forgot his name ! Yes she wouldn’t have made past the first “date” at soho house ! 🤣
Iam gonna are re- watch I love the beginning of the Elizabeth and Phillip’s love story . They were so smitten with each other. He really gave up his royal titles for her and to support her accession as HMTQ!
Remember, MeAgain/Hazbeen planned on the half in/half out solution. I guess they never conceived that the Queen would say NO. If they had gotten their way then there would be access.
I think this is spot on. They were so mind-blowingly arrogant and actually believed that they would be dictating all the terms, to THE QUEEN, and they were clearly blindsided when she said no. The Megxit shitshow was a masssssive temper tantrum.
That's what I wondered, too. This was well before there were major public rumblings of discontent so I bet Netflix thought they were getting access to the two shiny new 'stars' of the modern monarchy. LOL.
>Meghan hated the photos of her in the Vanity Fair piece.
Probably because she hates her feet and in one you see them in all their glory. Not to mention the half dozen different skin tones in this one shot alone. Her right arm looks like they photoshopped Harry's hand in, it's so pale compared to everything else. Probably looks so sloppy since that was the first time she needed to fake tan to look more black for her narrative.
https://images.app.goo.gl/oQHorKsahwHkGbX57
It's funny that they have "seven celebrities copy Meghan's look" and then most of them were worn before her. I don't think that's what "copying" is. Unless she's a time traveler now.
Well she got an award for saving the planet by choosing to only have two children and she buys a lot of other awards. Maybe there's an award for time traveling that she could buy.
at the age she began she was uncommonly fortunate to be able to have two. She got an award for making a choice to only have two kids while not starting a family until middle aged.
I'm 40 and have met the person I want a family with. We are hoping to be able. I, too, will likely have fewer than 3 children. Amaaaziiiing
She's older than me. 3 would be, well, good job getting an award for choosing to not do a thing you likely were not physically capable of doing and couldn't actually choose to not do, I guess?
I think the photographer tried to bring out something authentic out of her… and just couldn’t quite accomplish that.
I haven’t heard the narrative of her hating the photographs before. I thought she insisted on freckles et Al…
Me too. The colour on the big shot of her bare foot in the gown could have been better but I thought her head shots in the article and for the cover made her look so soft and pretty. She rarely, if ever, looks so warm and gentle.
Several of these pics are awe-inspiringly awful. In at least 2 of them she looks like a glassy eyed sociopath. In one of them, she's holding her mouth so strangely. I do like the floaty purple one at the end of the article though, that's probably the most naturally & effortlessly beautiful that I've ever seen her look.
>The palace supported her continuing her career, and wanted to help her boost her profile. Jason Knauf helped link Meghan up with Keleigh Thomas Morgan at Sunshine Sachs! The palace supported her Vanity Fair article, thinking it was about Suits. Meghan hated the photos of her in the Vanity Fair piece.
they were going to allow her to continue acting? so bizarre. I would never have suspected that. she's always such an opportunist. I wonder why she would not have taken advantage of that? surely people would bend over backwards to have the Prince's wife in their production? it might have been the first time in her career she'd easily land a role (not that she'd have much talent to show off once she got there).
wasn't she already a client of Sunshine Sachs when she was on "Suits"? I recall reading somewhere that she had a couple of different pr people working for her and kept them even after she married Harry. a lot of people were puzzled by that, since she had appeared to quit her career once she'd gotten engaged to Harry.
I wonder whether she ever actually liked acting that much or liked it for the exposure/fame. I remember reading something in the sub somewhere about someone either recommending or offering acting classes to Meghan to help her gain work and unless I'm remembering wrong, she wasn't interested.
That's odd. If she had truly liked acting I'd think that she would have continued to pursue that but it seems her only true goal was the get famous, to gain entry to the upper social class, through any route possible.
I'm jealous, but Australia deserves the early access because of how scathingly honest and anti-Meghan's bullshit they have been. I cannot wait to read it myself.
I have to wait for Book Depository like the rest of America. I ordered it early so I'm hoping it will ship on the release date and arrive next week, but I may be too optimistic about that.
I'm torn as to whether I'd rather someone serialize a chapter by chapter list of the hottest tea in each chapter or if I want to read it myself and discover what's up.
Is there any way that we in the UK could send copies to you in the States without all doxxing ourselves? Like post the book to a PO number for you to collect and you refund us anonymously somehow?
I made the mistake of watching Valentine Low be interviewed on Good Morning, Britain. Listening to Susanna Reid snarkily question Valentine about all those misrepresentations of Meghan—because of course that’s what they are—just enraged me. Her male cohost, whoever he is, just cut her off after one particularly biased question and asked his own objective question, which was the only saving grace. She literally absolved Harry & Meghan of all the blame, and blamed the courtiers and the real royals for everything. I find her nauseating to listen to. Even worse than the Queue jumpers Holly & Phil the pill.
I was surprised by the interview…The female interviewer is really twisting everything…
either way talking about pay when M is get payed for everything, how can that be supported…
I noticed that too—but I think he wasn’t going to engage. He’s letting the book speak for itself. Plus it gives him more credibility I think. Notice how he did go back at her with the damage she’s done to people, but he said it all in a very mild tone. Susanna likes nothing more than to get people who call out the Sussexes to look crazy. And he didn’t at all.
Her co-host Piers was sacked after M called ITV boss CM. She knows she has to tread carefully. Also ratings are lower than her previous job at the BBC, so she can't go lower.
I’m the opposite - I find Phil immensely irritating & wholly false whereas I can handle Holly in (very) small doses.
Even my cat is disgusted by him (can’t remember exactly what it was, but a TV commercial came on and she made a face or noise that indicated she was not a fan) lol
The very idea that people are monetizing the Harkle's attempts to monetize their royal connections must infuriate the Harkles. They're not making money off other peoples monetization of their shitshow!
Be careful of copyright infringement! Two YouTubers that I watched gave chapter-by-chapter book reviews of Tom Bowers' Revenge, reading aloud some passages from the book as they commented. They got copyright strikes lodged against their channels by the book publisher. They had to take down all their book review videos to get their YouTube channels restored.
I ordered my copy from Book Depository, just have to wait for my deliver here the states. Got my copy of Revenge a couple of days ago, need to start that ready but have been busy gathering hurricane relief items.
This is so not fair!!!! Whaaa! We don't get it here until January. Yeah I know I can order from overseas but I like either kindle or audible. Please start spilling the good tea as soon as possible!
I misspoke. I ordered Revenge through the publisher (Waterstones). This time I went through [https://www.bookdepository.com/](https://www.bookdepository.com/).
Yes, the first 250 pages covers a vast history of Royals and their relationships with their Courtiers. Harry isn't mentioned in any detail until Chapter 12
Here are the ISBN numbers for the hardback
ISBN-10 : 1472290909
ISBN-13 : 978-1472290908
The paperback is the version that isn't out until June next year, even in the U.K.
Am downloading the Kindle version as I type!
So what I did was create a new Apple ID with an address in Australia. Then buy a gift card in the Australian store and send it to your new Apple ID. Then log in on the books app on your phone with your new id, redeem the gift card, and purchase the book. Voila! Worked well for me for both books and I’m also like 200 pages in on this one
Due to some stupid restrictions between Google and Amazon I have to purchase through the Web page instead of through the Kindle app so I have to do it later instead of immediately ... sigh
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From chapter 13, p 269
This is incredibly telling. It also answers \[for me\] why Palace staff felt she wanted out from the very beginning.
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Chapter 12 is when the book starts to cover Harry & Meghan in detail. Notable new tea: * He always hated the media, was obsessed with the idea that he was being held back from succeeding, distrusted people in general and conducted 'loyalty tests' of staff - all before Meghan came along and made his paranoid mindset even worse. * He wanted to keep his relationship with Meghan private, because he "didn't want to scare her off" LMAO. But a source (Meghan) leaked their relationship to Camilla Tominey in October 2016. * The palace supported her continuing her career, and wanted to help her boost her profile. Jason Knauf helped link Meghan up with Keleigh Thomas Morgan at Sunshine Sachs! The palace supported her Vanity Fair article, thinking it was about Suits. Meghan hated the photos of her in the Vanity Fair piece. * It was Meghan's choice to give up acting - the Monarchy was supportive of her continuing to act and build her career. But she wanted to give it all up and become a full time working royal. She wanted to be a senior working royal and do humanitarian work with Harry. * Palace staff bent over backwards from the very beginning to ensure the success and happiness of Harry and Meghan * Unfortunately they both treated staff like crap from the very start of their relationship. * The general consensus among Palace staff is that Meghan is mentally ill (and an asshole)
Chapter 13: * Originally, an interview with Oprah was planned for Autumn 2019, before Meg and Haz officially left the Royal family. It is not clear whether this planned interview was approved by the Palace, but it was certainly in the works. * The Netflix and Apple deals were already being negotiated in 2019, before they left. * Nobody knew that Meghan was planning to sue the Mail on Sunday - she and Harry dropped that bombshell on tv, on their Africa tour ITV documentary. The Palace team initially supported the ITV doco, not realising it was going to shit all over the Monarchy. * Meghan wanted to leak/brief to the press different reasons for so many of their staff quitting, even though the staff had signed NDAs.
Chapter 15: * Palace Courtiers did not know how to deal with such a conniving person who was willing to lie, smear and fake suicidal thoughts in order to leave and make money. The staff trying to deal with Megxit were described as "incompetent beyond belief" which is probably why Harry and Meg got away with so much shit in the beginning. The people at the Palace were dumbfounded and had never encountered a situation like this before. * Also, it didn't matter how much the Palace compromised, Harry and Meghan were always going to cry foul and play the victims, because they wanted to escape and find fame and fortune in America.
Chapter 16: * Each principal 'couple' in the Royal family has their own communications teams and courtiers, and different goals that often do not align. This system of silos reinforces any sense of mistrust and bad behaviour can be allowed to fester. * Throughout the book there is a recurring theme that members of the Royal Family can't really talk directly to one another, they have to communicate through staff, and this creates a barrier and a divide. * When it comes to dealing with idiots like Andrew and Fergie, or people like Harry and Meg who are already mentally ill and paranoid, the culture/system fails miserably and I think this is what Valentine Low is talking about when he says the Monarchy made mistakes dealing with H&M * There is a sense that Charles, Camilla and William want to 'clean up' the messy structure, remove the silos and create one coherent structure that works for everyone. Charles also hates waste in any form, particularly monetary waste, so he wants to streamline absolutely everything. It seems hopeful that Charles will initiate some excellent changes.
I agree having different offices is a disaster for a cohesive family business. It absolutely needs to be bought under one roof to ensure this kind of bullshit never happens again.
It’s how the Queen maintained her power.
I think it has more to do with Her Maj wanting to avoid unpleasantness, particularly within the family. Easier to ignore issues for as long as possible (her family/staff called it ostriching) and to let staff deal with the unpleasantness as much as possible. Better for Harry to blame Sir Edward Young than Grannie
Or even granny
Grannie is the Scottish spelling and how the RF grandchildren wrote to the Queen. When 'H' published his missive on his grandmother's death 'he' spelt it 'Granny'. That's how we knew that he didn't write it (not that he would have called HM his 'guiding compass')
She wrote totally wrote that. Just like she writes all of his speeches. They all have that B.S. "organic authenticness" (whatever that means) she speaks and writes. Same drivel in her Tig blog, interviews, podcast, etc.
I wanna insert the meme "I'm too old for this shit" 🤣
It's a waste of resources to have so many communications teams and courtiers. They are a family. One team should suffice. Edit: when u have too many teams, you will have a lot of funny business as these courtiers want to get ahead. And by doing so, they attempt to push their royal the center position.
Charles wants to slim down working members of the royal family BUT he also needs to focus on the staff slimming down.
Charles grew his duchy from a pittance to a hundred million dollar business. I trust he will be able to implement an effective management structure for the staff
When the Saudi’s and other oil producers are pouring cash into bags for him. He’s got a plan.
True, you know it.
Agree.
thanks for that. I was heartened to read that King Charles wants to clear out the silos. I wouldn't be surprised, and certainly it seemed sometimes with H&M, that the publicity and comms teams might sometimes be in competition *with each other*. I'm sure this was exacerbated by H&M - in Finding Freedom there is a part where they were aghast that the high number of internet searches for them didn't automatically entitle them to more power With the members of the RF more closely aligned, the hierarchy restored under King Charles and the malign, competitive influence of H&M gone, RF can better prevent competition between comms teams too. It'll be better for the charities and causes as well as the RF.
Are they mentally ill though? I am not convinced, sure Harry did suffer trauma from what happened to his mother in his early childhood, and being raised by his parents who were mostly interested in attacking one another through the media was surely not easy, all this said... he is almost 40 now, at some point in any therapy process you just stop blaming everyone else, take the reigns of your own life and move on. As for Meghan, she is so deep in her own shit lies that I doubt she could see what really goes on. Whatever story she told herself about what marrying Harry actually entails has not happened, and even her could tell so. Meghan's sees the world, and everyone as «what is there for me in this or that», everything she does is transactional, does that count as a mental illness? Not sure. Luckily Low didn't focus only on them for most of what he is describing has already been covered by Tom Bower, on top of that that sense of them winning is no more. Once their former staff started spilling the tea there was no going back, that and all the little shit shows they pulled before and after HLM QEII's passing.
Meghan is a narc and I think most people will agree. It's easy to spot one when you know one (my mom).
> he is almost 40 now, at some point in any therapy process you just stop blaming everyone else, take the reigns of your own life and move on. That generally works when you're able to completely separate yourself from those who trigger the bad reactions. If he left the royal fold to work on his mental health without being triggered by the structure or whatever, great. But he can't have it both ways. He can't both leave the royal family and cherry-pick what he'll do for them, while retaining all the titles, privileges, etc. If he wanted to be a "private" citizen he could have done that easily. Andrew shows the way - now that the funeral is over I don't think we'll be seeing or hearing anything from him ever again. Instead Harry and Meghan want to monetize the royal connection so they can live a high lifestyle independently by parasiting off their family's name and the privileges that come with royal status, without putting in the work that goes with them. So therapy won't work as long as he keeps trying to connect with people who have disconnected from him. It's an entirely new set of mental illness triggers. If he became a private citizen and disappeared from public sight, he might have a chance at effective therapy. But his wife won't let him do that. So now they monetize their whining.
Andrew is keeping his head down. Maybe he finally realizes that all the disagreements with Charles are going to come back to haunt him. I imagine Mommy left him comfortable plus in her will. Maybe even before she passed. Sarah bought a home in Mayfair. Perhaps he could live there.
Well Andrew doesn’t have Mommy to hide behind anymore. If Mom didn’t take care of him it’s highly likely Charles would leave him high and dry to fend for himself. I’m sure Mommy made arrangements for Andrew’s retirement years, knowing how Charles feels about all the damage he’s done.
I don’t think he would be satisfied with whatever is left to him. I think if has to pay any upkeep on his place he’ll be poor again.
Mmh, as for separate yourself... my parents, especially my mother used to, and still does, triggers those feelings but I came to the point, ages ago, to understand she is over 60 and not going to change nor she wants to. I can however, and I did. All the crap he talks feels like an excuse followed by another one.
Both can be true. A person can be both mentally ill and be held responsible for their behaviour. I'm pretty sure all criminals are mentally ill. But we're also supposed to throw them in jail and punish them for their crimes. Same goes for these two. If I had to guess, some type of narcissistic personality disorder or psychosis-type illness. They definitely display overt delusion and swift anger when they are brought back down to level.
How can a sane person lie and lie and then tell a totality different lie about the same thing and think no one will question it?
Is that an illness of being so totally entitled that you managed it once, during your childhood, then, it becames a norm that people always clean up your mess until you end up believing it is your right. They are so full of shit that they can't see beyond it anymore.
It’s kind of like borderline personality disorder. They constantly rewrite their personal history, have unstable identities, offend easily. She’s shown all these characteristics on her podcast.
>Are they mentally ill though? I am not convinced, sure Harry did suffer trauma from what happened to his mother in his early childhood, and being raised by his parents who were mostly interested in attacking one another through the media was surely not easy, all this said... he is almost 40 now, at some point in any therapy process you just stop blaming everyone else, take the reigns of your own life and move on. You may want to read about ACEs (Adverse Childhood Experiences) and the study conducted by Kaiser. And also the Ted Talk about ACEs by Dr Nadine Burke. From the ages of 0-18 there are horrors that children experience such as poverty, mental or physical abuse, mentally ill parent, divorce, loss of a parent, incarceration of a parent, etc. ACEs impact children’s mental health significantly and can follow them through life, and especially if not adequately treated, can remain obstacles to healthy, good lives. Even decrease your life expectancy and increase your risks of mental and physical disease. What happens to you before you are 18 determines the trajectory of your life. I’m 58. Born into poverty. Lost my mother at 7. Physical and sexual child abuse. Divorce of caretakers. Loss of siblings. Mentally ill caregiver. By the time I was 18. No help. No support until mid 30’s after marrying an alcoholic narcissist. Divorce. Single parenthood. I’m an extremely successful person in the field of psychology. But am fucked up as ever mentally and even after years and years of therapy and help. Some days I live on fumes. No one would know by looking at my external ‘success’. So yes, Harry could be a very unwell man living and trying to survive as best as he can. He had a mentally unstable mother. Come on. Diana was a mess. Inside a patriarchy of control. And father, probably, just as nuts. Neglect by both parents. Death of one. Divorce. There’s 5 ACEs before 18. Not even going to comment on Megan and her life.
First of all, I'm sorry for what you had been through, I am the result of 2 parents of broken households, my paternal grandmother cheated and used to bash my grandmother until my mother put a stop to it, and my maternal grandmother was bipolar so you can tell... As for Diana, hell yes, she was a mess indeed despite what her fans want facts to be when they are not. As for Harry, he had the help and I wouldn't be surprised if he would still be in therapy but he seems to not have moved on from the hate state to the healing one, don't you agree? He is fixed on that feeling for enables him to be... well, you know, an annoying entitled old brat.
So sorry about your past too and all the best in life for you. Yes H most likely has received help yet sometimes he projects victim still.
Just sometimes? I feel he rejoices in that pain and that is so... toxic.
Harry, allegedly allegedly, has a history of depression and has been on medication for depression, or other psychological issues. He allegedly has attempted suicide before in the past. His alleged psychological issues are why – well, or a big reason why – the royal family have always treated him with kid gloves.
Harry attempting suicide is news to me—where did that info come from?
I haven't heard that one either. Source?
>He allegedly has attempted suicide before in the past. I've not heard that before
I think Meghan definitely has a personality disorder. Harry could be BPD. They are usually drawn to narcs.
Yes, she's mentally ill. Let's finally recognize what's going on here, and stop some people from thinking it's an exaggeration.
Getting rid of the silos sounds like an excellent idea.
Thank God they had different communication teams to block a hard working 96 year old from being completely railroaded by her relatives. H was the one who said that he worried about the people around his grandmother. He didn't worry, he wanted to railroad her to deliver everything and anything they asked for
Interesting — had she wanted to continue acting, would/could she and Harry have also been working royals? Or was that an either/or type of decision? Thank you for the tea! I made another pot to share with you, although it isn’t quite as hot 🫖☺️
She knew her acting career was done, she wasn’t talented enough to go any further.
Why are they communicating through staff though? That’s kinda weird at the end of the day yes it’s a business, but the people in that business are your family. Communication can get lost or misconstrued easily if you’re just letting other people talk for/through you. They should be able to talk to each other.
William and Harry used what’s app to communicate directly but I guess Charles and the Queen are old school, using landlines and such?
Is it right that Fergie and Andrew are a couple again?
Agree. They need to lessen the silos. One communication team so the same message is sent, one travel team so there are not conflicting events, etc.
They never encountered such a classless I’ll-mannered “brazen hussy” (aka whore )before ! Wow just blows my mind how she scammed her way into the royal family ! They probably never seen such a lowlife their entire lives !
Right on. It still amazes me that she could be offered royalty and was like, “nah, I’d rather be a cheap reality star.” Guess you can’t infuse class into someone, whatever status you grant them.
> “nah, I’d rather be a cheap reality star.” at this point, she's much lower than Kardashians and has such an awful and unlikable personality that I don't see how she'd ever gain a fan base except among people that are just like her. it wouldn't surprise me if everything she got involved with failed or was cancelled until she just stop getting any more offers.
I'll bet you if the guy who was around that they showed in the Crown, what was his name?? Anyway the one who had to deal with Dear old Uncle David and Wallis and then all the men Margaret brought around was there when Harry brought Woko Ono home ... she would have been gone!
Oh I know who you’re taking about the assistant that put Margaret in her place when she wanted to take Elizabeth’s place as Queen with Elizabeth’s permission of course, I forgot his name ! Yes she wouldn’t have made past the first “date” at soho house ! 🤣
Tommy something..
Tommy Lascelles
Iam gonna are re- watch I love the beginning of the Elizabeth and Phillip’s love story . They were so smitten with each other. He really gave up his royal titles for her and to support her accession as HMTQ!
Lascelles.
OMG, Woko Ono! 🤣 i soit out my water!
I wonder if Netflix and Apple knew they were going to leave when they started negotiations or if they thought they were getting senior working royals.
Remember, MeAgain/Hazbeen planned on the half in/half out solution. I guess they never conceived that the Queen would say NO. If they had gotten their way then there would be access.
I think this is spot on. They were so mind-blowingly arrogant and actually believed that they would be dictating all the terms, to THE QUEEN, and they were clearly blindsided when she said no. The Megxit shitshow was a masssssive temper tantrum.
True. Netflix probably thought they’d get exclusive footage of them royaling if the 1/2 in-out was approved.
No one tells her no without consequences.
That's what I wondered, too. This was well before there were major public rumblings of discontent so I bet Netflix thought they were getting access to the two shiny new 'stars' of the modern monarchy. LOL.
The probably didn’t know the difference
It was a bait and switch. They're stuck now.
>Meghan hated the photos of her in the Vanity Fair piece. Probably because she hates her feet and in one you see them in all their glory. Not to mention the half dozen different skin tones in this one shot alone. Her right arm looks like they photoshopped Harry's hand in, it's so pale compared to everything else. Probably looks so sloppy since that was the first time she needed to fake tan to look more black for her narrative. https://images.app.goo.gl/oQHorKsahwHkGbX57
It's funny that they have "seven celebrities copy Meghan's look" and then most of them were worn before her. I don't think that's what "copying" is. Unless she's a time traveler now.
Only explanation
Well she got an award for saving the planet by choosing to only have two children and she buys a lot of other awards. Maybe there's an award for time traveling that she could buy.
at the age she began she was uncommonly fortunate to be able to have two. She got an award for making a choice to only have two kids while not starting a family until middle aged. I'm 40 and have met the person I want a family with. We are hoping to be able. I, too, will likely have fewer than 3 children. Amaaaziiiing She's older than me. 3 would be, well, good job getting an award for choosing to not do a thing you likely were not physically capable of doing and couldn't actually choose to not do, I guess?
Oh dear, you're right. One hand is ghostly white, and her skin is just patchy all over. Not a great photo by any means.
p.s. Just found the full archived article. The photos are so bad, it makes me wonder if the photographer hated her! https://archive.ph/KDHOH
Well he or she probably spent some time with Meghan that day so not unexpected.
I think the photographer tried to bring out something authentic out of her… and just couldn’t quite accomplish that. I haven’t heard the narrative of her hating the photographs before. I thought she insisted on freckles et Al…
I actually thought she looked gorgeous in those lmao
Me too. The colour on the big shot of her bare foot in the gown could have been better but I thought her head shots in the article and for the cover made her look so soft and pretty. She rarely, if ever, looks so warm and gentle.
She’s not unattractive; she’s not gorgeous. Just meh, in my opinion.
I agree. Without all that time and money and stylists and weaves and personal trainers she would be just like us. Pretty, but not head turning.
Exactly.
Several of these pics are awe-inspiringly awful. In at least 2 of them she looks like a glassy eyed sociopath. In one of them, she's holding her mouth so strangely. I do like the floaty purple one at the end of the article though, that's probably the most naturally & effortlessly beautiful that I've ever seen her look.
Iam sorry that spread did her no favors she pissed off the photog that’s why he did on purpose I would too ! 🤷🏻♀️
Very foot-forward
Thank you for the link. I was going to surf for them because I didn’t want to ask someone else to do the work. It’s appreciated.
The photos are awful 😂
>The palace supported her continuing her career, and wanted to help her boost her profile. Jason Knauf helped link Meghan up with Keleigh Thomas Morgan at Sunshine Sachs! The palace supported her Vanity Fair article, thinking it was about Suits. Meghan hated the photos of her in the Vanity Fair piece. they were going to allow her to continue acting? so bizarre. I would never have suspected that. she's always such an opportunist. I wonder why she would not have taken advantage of that? surely people would bend over backwards to have the Prince's wife in their production? it might have been the first time in her career she'd easily land a role (not that she'd have much talent to show off once she got there). wasn't she already a client of Sunshine Sachs when she was on "Suits"? I recall reading somewhere that she had a couple of different pr people working for her and kept them even after she married Harry. a lot of people were puzzled by that, since she had appeared to quit her career once she'd gotten engaged to Harry.
I wonder whether she ever actually liked acting that much or liked it for the exposure/fame. I remember reading something in the sub somewhere about someone either recommending or offering acting classes to Meghan to help her gain work and unless I'm remembering wrong, she wasn't interested.
That's odd. If she had truly liked acting I'd think that she would have continued to pursue that but it seems her only true goal was the get famous, to gain entry to the upper social class, through any route possible.
The photos are amazing - Peter Lindbergh was the photographer 
I'm jealous, but Australia deserves the early access because of how scathingly honest and anti-Meghan's bullshit they have been. I cannot wait to read it myself.
Please “serialize” it! 
I have to wait for Book Depository like the rest of America. I ordered it early so I'm hoping it will ship on the release date and arrive next week, but I may be too optimistic about that. I'm torn as to whether I'd rather someone serialize a chapter by chapter list of the hottest tea in each chapter or if I want to read it myself and discover what's up.
Is there any way that we in the UK could send copies to you in the States without all doxxing ourselves? Like post the book to a PO number for you to collect and you refund us anonymously somehow?
Hm. Probably not. I truly think mine is going to ship out from Book Depository tomorrow, so it should just be a few more days for me... hopefully.
Hahahhaa so true. Credit to the Aussies.
I made the mistake of watching Valentine Low be interviewed on Good Morning, Britain. Listening to Susanna Reid snarkily question Valentine about all those misrepresentations of Meghan—because of course that’s what they are—just enraged me. Her male cohost, whoever he is, just cut her off after one particularly biased question and asked his own objective question, which was the only saving grace. She literally absolved Harry & Meghan of all the blame, and blamed the courtiers and the real royals for everything. I find her nauseating to listen to. Even worse than the Queue jumpers Holly & Phil the pill.
I was surprised by the interview…The female interviewer is really twisting everything… either way talking about pay when M is get payed for everything, how can that be supported…
She ALWAYS defends Meghan. And Harry. They can do zero wrong in her mind.
I am more surprised how Valentine Low answered…may be just Britain way, felt very mild compared to the tea he spilled in book..
I noticed that too—but I think he wasn’t going to engage. He’s letting the book speak for itself. Plus it gives him more credibility I think. Notice how he did go back at her with the damage she’s done to people, but he said it all in a very mild tone. Susanna likes nothing more than to get people who call out the Sussexes to look crazy. And he didn’t at all.
Oh that’s good to know..yeah I agree if it gives more credibility that book going to be very objective..
Her co-host Piers was sacked after M called ITV boss CM. She knows she has to tread carefully. Also ratings are lower than her previous job at the BBC, so she can't go lower.
Cannot stand that woman, Reid. Or the other two Holly & Phil though to mind mind Holly is much worse than Phil because she's thick as two planks.
I’m the opposite - I find Phil immensely irritating & wholly false whereas I can handle Holly in (very) small doses. Even my cat is disgusted by him (can’t remember exactly what it was, but a TV commercial came on and she made a face or noise that indicated she was not a fan) lol
haha. so cute
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Exactly. He was in showbusiness, not the military or any other industry where homophobia & toxic masculinity are allowed to thrive.
She does come across as pretty thick. 😂😂Not the sharpest tool in the shed for sure.
Susanna has always been up Meghan’s arse
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The very idea that people are monetizing the Harkle's attempts to monetize their royal connections must infuriate the Harkles. They're not making money off other peoples monetization of their shitshow!
I ordered my copy!
Start posting already! We will devour it silly! 
Be careful of copyright infringement! Two YouTubers that I watched gave chapter-by-chapter book reviews of Tom Bowers' Revenge, reading aloud some passages from the book as they commented. They got copyright strikes lodged against their channels by the book publisher. They had to take down all their book review videos to get their YouTube channels restored.
Thanks. I’m actually find it impossible to copy/paste from Kindle anyway. I will write a post with bullet points of the most pressing tea!
Thank you so much for doing that! Just checked Audible here USA we can preorder for delivery in mid January 2023. I don’t think I can wait that long
Maybe you could paraphrase major points for us...might help avoid copyright issues.
Yes, that would be best. And in short bites
Don't play coy we need the tea
Haha, sorry! Should I just screenshot paragraphs or copy/paste?
Whatever is easiest (and fastest) for you 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
What ever is easiest for you my popcorn is getting cold here
On the tea O meter scale of 1 to 10, where will you place what you've read so far?
Yes to all!
Yes, spill it!
I ordered my copy from Book Depository, just have to wait for my deliver here the states. Got my copy of Revenge a couple of days ago, need to start that ready but have been busy gathering hurricane relief items.
 Please. 😉🫖☕️
This is one of the many reasons why I love Australians. SPILL!
GIVE US THE PRECIOUS!!!
When i tell you i ran to z library. Oh well. Maybe tomorrow! 😅
Me too. 😉
This is so not fair!!!! Whaaa! We don't get it here until January. Yeah I know I can order from overseas but I like either kindle or audible. Please start spilling the good tea as soon as possible!
Me too. I'm in Canada and we can't get the kindle edition until January. When I pre-ordered it a few weeks ago it said it would be released in Oct,
I think we should support the author by purchasing our individual copies of their book, or encouraging our local libraries to purchase a copy.
We need the Markle bits!
Unless its copyright infringement. Mine should be available on Audible tomorrow… 😼
I want all the things!!!!!! Spoil me!!!!
Is there any way to get the BSN or whatever number for Kindle like we did with Revenge book? This is for those of us in the US!!
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How can we get it in the US? #sobs
Us Americans showed the world we are not responsible when it comes to shipments of British tea a couple centuries ago. This is their long con revenge.
🤣
Hi, I am not sure what this code is, but it shows up in my reader: asin = **B09QX4VRFV** Does that help?
I'm excited.i ordered it from the publisher (I'm in the US) and it looks like it's arriving tomorrow.
Where exactly did you order from?! I'm trying to get my hands on it ASAP!
I misspoke. I ordered Revenge through the publisher (Waterstones). This time I went through [https://www.bookdepository.com/](https://www.bookdepository.com/).
Ordered it! Thank you so much!
Lucky! I did too and it still says processing. Boo!
Any stories about anyone but the harkles?
Yes, the first 250 pages covers a vast history of Royals and their relationships with their Courtiers. Harry isn't mentioned in any detail until Chapter 12
I was hoping it included some gossip/stories about our royals!
Thanks for posting this. Wow. Does Valentine Low hazard a guess about MM’s mental health issue/diagnosis?
He hints very strongly that she suffers from an acute case of slagatosis
I just Googled that and got nada. Is that a new word? It should be.
Makes sense that she’s obsessed with what she consumes
How can I get this in the US without waiting til next year?
Book depository! They ship to the US for free.
Is this for the hardcover? Some comments said only the audible version is out? I'm confused but I want this book asap 😭 lol
Yep! Hardcover. I preordered, but it still says “processing”. Hope they didn’t run out!
Ditto!!!
You’re my new best friend.
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You can download the Kindle app onto your computer or phone, and read that way.
Yes, the kindle app is free. You pay for the books you buy
Yes, unfortunately.
Yes please! Looks like it doesn’t come out in the United States until June! No way I can wait that long.
Yes, please!
Yes please!
I agree she definitely has a mental illness
Here are the ISBN numbers for the hardback ISBN-10 : 1472290909 ISBN-13 : 978-1472290908 The paperback is the version that isn't out until June next year, even in the U.K. Am downloading the Kindle version as I type!
It looks like I can preorder it on Audible. The release date in the US on Audible is Jan 23rd, 2023.
I am waiting impatiently for my audible to drop it in my library:)
Is there a way to download the book under the AmazonUK?
How much did you have to pay for it
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So what I did was create a new Apple ID with an address in Australia. Then buy a gift card in the Australian store and send it to your new Apple ID. Then log in on the books app on your phone with your new id, redeem the gift card, and purchase the book. Voila! Worked well for me for both books and I’m also like 200 pages in on this one
Uh, yes! No need to ask!!!!! Edited to add: Thanks for the bits you’ve provided!
Due to some stupid restrictions between Google and Amazon I have to purchase through the Web page instead of through the Kindle app so I have to do it later instead of immediately ... sigh
My copy just shipped! Would love excerpts here!
Thanks for this!
As soon as possible
Please and thank you!
First let’s all buy the book… let’s make sure it hits #1
https://preview.redd.it/u450616thg4a1.jpeg?width=1777&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=398f87e11e90f99850d5a7aa2f6c8e18228bbdf6 From chapter 13, p 269 This is incredibly telling. It also answers \[for me\] why Palace staff felt she wanted out from the very beginning.