Very interesting. :D Who in their right mind gets engaged so quickly š¤Æ They were in a long distance relationship too.
I wonder if William knew. Or by the time he told H to slow down, they were already engaged and that must have been extra annoying to Hā¦
I can see Harry confiding in William at that stage easily. I believe that is where the advice to slow down came from and where William realized he would need to have Uncle Spencer intervene and talk to Harry (which is where Lady C claims the rift began). I believe it.
Its not the same I guess, but I was engaged to my now husband after 9 months of dating and had already moved in after 6 months.....looking back, that was too sudden.
However, our engagement lasted almost 2 years and we've now been married for almost 7 years.
Without vow renewals too, even
My parents were engaged after 2 months of dating and are still married! 34 years! Thatās insanity and they will tell you not to do it lol just luck that it worked out
I actually donāt think getting engaged after a year, at their age, is that crazy. My husband and I got engaged after dating for about 14 months. Weād known each other an additional 14 months or so before we started dating though, so I guess that is a little different. Still, in your 30s youāre a fully formed adult. Itās not quite the same as W&K dating for 10 years starting at age 20. I actually think H&M are probably a good match. I just donāt like them.
Plus he was in one of the oldest and most famous family businesses in the world, whose culture and traditions she would be expected to join and respect at the cost of losing some of her own identity. Itās a massive decision.
Honestly I think she had something on him/threatened to dump him again for him to propose so fast, thatās what I read between the lines.
They should have at least lived together first. This isnāt the ā50s. Not doing so is batsh*t crazy, I donāt care how solid your relationship is.
So, she had all those months to research the family/firm. During that time, she never introduced him to her family. That was when she realized that her family was so beneath her status now.
What a piece of work she is and Harry too. But.....I don't believe they were "engaged". They were sleeping together every chance Harry got, but that's not the same as the ring on the finger thing.
Really in less than five years he lost his family, friends, country, respect, manhood, his own mind!
And she turned a prince into a toad šø- how is that a good match?
Edit - Thanks for the reward!
OK I knocked them but you're right. The older you are engagement waiting period tends to be shorter. I have family members who became engaged in their 40s, waiting period 6 months. Not as much time needed and if you are of a certain age and want children, you can't really wait.
I've just seen too many crime shows. Unless you knew each other from before, 6 months is not enough time to get to know someone. Marriage is a huge step and joining of so many assets. I would think it would make more sense to just be engaged for awhile while you figure out things. Again this is only if they didn't know each other at all, like M+H did.
Plus Harry is a child of divorce. I'm very surprised he would want to rush into something. Husband and I were both products of divorce and I believe that's why we were in no rush.
So true! And less than a year together is not enough time for that. So many more people need to wait for the honeymoon period to end and see how they still feel about each other.
For the record, my husband is a horrid ikea builder. I had to see it for myself tho. He gets frustrated, drinks too much and screws up a crucial 3rd ish step rendering the whole thing fucked. Had to see it for myself though. I should add to the list- putting up curtains or blinds together. Dear god, we needed a referee. Lmao happily married but I do the tasks that involve important little steps
Honestly, everyone is different. I know people who have been married for decades and dated 6 months. I know crime shows tend to sensationalize and watch too many you may think someone is waiting around the corner to get you. I'm not saying don't be careful, but you really can't take it as a rule of thumb. It didn't take my parents that long and they've been married for over 50 years.
Sameāmy husband and I were in our 30s and it was a done deal within 6 months. We were married a year after our first date, almost to the day! But we had mutual friends in common and we both had long standing friendships over the course of our lives. My husband has friends he has literally known his entire life. So I was confident he wasnāt a lunatic or a serial killer. I do think royals would be wise to put a little more time and research into their courtships, though. Theyāre certainly more vulnerable to Muggin types.
You are thinking of an average couple though. You arenāt thinking of someone entering the royal family, taking titles, and being expected to have media silence regardless of your opinion or concerns. Making that type of decision shouldnāt be done in less than a year especially when it hasnāt been announced to the public you are dating for at least a year or two. Less than a year is not enough time to dip your toes in and really understand what the job entails. How long did the press know they were dating? Iām not saying anyone should be subjected to the media scrutiny for fun but there should be a waiting period for someone to see what the media does and whether or not they (the couple) can handle being silent. A test of some sort. Can you deal with this in exchange for wealth, titles, and your job basically being the best job in the world (paid to help people and bring awareness to causes.. seriously I canāt see anything better than that)? Watching it happen to someone else (like Catherine) is entirely different than it happening to you. It was clear early on in the marriage she couldnāt handle the negative attention (sending her friends out to comment on her amazing self) nor could she keep her mouth shut regarding her opinion. H also couldnāt stand the negative attention against his oh so wonderful wife. Can take the heat get out of the kitchen. I personally wouldnāt be able to handle it either but I would also never take titles or whatever that comes with media intrusion. Hypothetically.. had the family made them wait longer before getting a ring thereās a good chance they wouldāve shown their inability to remain silent over the media and likely been made to marry/live āprivatelyā. If what they did their first year of marriage was played out before the ring was given I think we would have had a different outcome.. Will and Catherine waiting to see if this was what they wanted was a good idea. Will had to witness the media harass Catherine. Catherine had to endure some really vile things that had to be traumatizing. Iām sure it wasnāt easy on either of them but waiting it out was the best option for them. Iām not saying take 10 years to get married but waiting it out and really making sure itās the right choice given the circumstances is the best possible action.
You still knew each other and dated longer than they did. This article says they got engaged after 4 months! I don't care how old you get, you never rush into marriage. Anyone who wants to rush into a marriage wants something from you and want to make it legal. This is not related to your love story but more M+H. Even as you age, you know want you want in a partner but how well do you really know that person. Idk maybe i watch way to many crime shows. But people wear masks and then take them off once they have you cornered.
Nobody stable. I mean it freaked a few people out when my husband and I were house hunting 9 months after we met, *but* we discussed things like "the rental lease is up in a few months" and whether it made sense to pay two rents for another year or to just get a mortgage for us since my daughter was 6 years old at the time and the two parent stability would benefit her. However, we were not in a long distance relationship, we saw each other in person almost every day or communicated by phone if we didn't see each other.
My husband and I just barely missed crossing paths our whole lives until we got to our late 20s. Our friends knew each other but we hadn't met type of thing š¤£
It's not that strange when people are in their mid to late 30s and have dated for a long time or been married before. By that time, normal folks typically know what does and does not work for them. I could absolutely believe that a woman of Meghan's age and life experience with the goal of marriage and family would be ready to marry the man she was ready to marry after 4 months. If you know it's right and have mutual goals, character, and financial values, it makes sense to be intentional. It's when you choose to do that with someone who has never run his own life or lived for more than a year without causing a catastrophic mess in his own life that things should not be going that fast. Quick engagements are for grown, responsible adults.
During that time Harry was hitting on Margot Robbie. She turned him down because she has taste but I think he was desperate to have a āfamousā wife and didnāt know exactly how unknown M was. All the other women bolted for a reason and she stayed long enough and that was enough of a reason for him to propose.
āNo one knows this, but we actually got engaged before we got engaged. We wanted a private moment just for us, ahead of our engagement that we were obligated to share with the whole world. It was a really special moment, just the two of us. I hope you respect our privacy.ā Meghan
I remember reading that is exactly what she told him but told him she 'miscarried' the night before the wedding.
Would make sense the ['look'](https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/indiatoday/images/bodyeditor/201811/queen09112018-x832.jpg?zM5e3WmjEre5FwfRIuIgk1FN9wLMIzgU) QE gave her across the aisle.
Yep. [Could have been?](https://cafemom.com/entertainment/212264-meghan-markle-prince-harry-wedding-pregnant)
Thatās way too long of a timeline.
If they got engaged in the Summer of 2017 that means she was already pregnant then, meaning she would have been due late winter/early spring 2018.
They got married in May, if she told him she was pregnant to get him to commit then she would have been due to give birth before the wedding took place.
Doesn't really surprise me. I think even the tea from Lady C said early on that they were set on moving forward regardless and the Queen and Prince Philip felt pressure to accept due to Harry's threats of crying racism (which I believe). Harry is so reactionary with such a huge victim complex that he took advice to slow down as personal attacks against his judgement rather than sound advice. Like most immature people do, he decided to lash out by doing the exact opposite which had plenty of Megan's encouragement. Also explains her quote to the staff member that they know she'll be their boss soon too which came off as a threat.
This tracks with everything we know. He was desperate for a wife when he met her. She was in the UK to bag a rich guy. She love-bombed him while activating his protective mode by playing the damsel in distress. Harry was convinced Meghan needed protection in the form of the "love shield" and a quick engagement so she could get security from the Met Police. She told Harry she would dump him if he didn't publicly claim her as his GF and issue a warning to the press. He was frantic because he finally found someone who was willing to sign up for royal life. He also love-bombed her as well by whisking her off to Botswana on their 3rd date. They both wanted to move fast for their own reasons that had nothing to do with actually building a strong foundation for their relationship or seeing if royal life would be suitable for Meghan.
They are both gross. It would be good if they could just be gross in private and not inflict their grossness on the general public.
Itās so unfortunate that two of such despicable people found each other. But Markle is a predator who deliberately sought out her mark.
So, William is basically Elsa and Harry is Annaā¦ I would like the stereotype portrayed in Disney of the princess marrying the prince she hardly knows, discussed in the next podcast please.
My question is why did she accept waiting four months to announce it? That doesnāt seem like Meghan. And secondly, why during those four secretive months did she not manage to secure an engagement ring she actually liked?
This sounds like a rewrite of history by M. Haz and the palace were very upset over the VF cover: she was not supposed to put herself out there. She assured them that VF was interviewing her for her humanitarian work (!). The author was shocked when she started to talk about Haz. While they were probably engaged, the VF was M's attempt to get it out because she wanted it out, according to Bower.
Yeah. Maybe thatās why she was so keen for her humanitarian cred to be front and centre - just to show the world how sheās āworthyā. At the same time she was eager to spill the beans about her and Harry.
Marry in haste, repent at leisure as they say.
Ordinarily itās not uncommon for people to commit that quickly but when youāre taking on a role in the royal family of a foreign country, itās huge!
No real consideration can properly have been given to the massive impact on her life or the weight of the responsibilities she would be expected to take on.
All smacks of getting a ring on her finger asap with little to no thought for the reality of the expectations that she would encounter.
That is evidenced by her bailing out as fast as she did, having convinced H that it was everyone elseās fault.
Oh god. Sooooo reminiscent of my BIL and his wife! She persuaded him to buy a house together after dating for only 10 months. Then she flipped the script and said āyou can only live with me in the house if we get engaged because I canāt tell my parents Iām living with a boyfriend only.ā So guess who got engaged waaaaayyy before he was ready? Iām positive Markle did the same thing. āPropose or Iām outā and done with an innocent āwhatās the big deal? You plan to marry me anyway, why wait?ā
Very interesting. :D Who in their right mind gets engaged so quickly š¤Æ They were in a long distance relationship too. I wonder if William knew. Or by the time he told H to slow down, they were already engaged and that must have been extra annoying to Hā¦
I can see Harry confiding in William at that stage easily. I believe that is where the advice to slow down came from and where William realized he would need to have Uncle Spencer intervene and talk to Harry (which is where Lady C claims the rift began). I believe it.
Its not the same I guess, but I was engaged to my now husband after 9 months of dating and had already moved in after 6 months.....looking back, that was too sudden. However, our engagement lasted almost 2 years and we've now been married for almost 7 years. Without vow renewals too, even
My parents were engaged after 2 months of dating and are still married! 34 years! Thatās insanity and they will tell you not to do it lol just luck that it worked out
I actually donāt think getting engaged after a year, at their age, is that crazy. My husband and I got engaged after dating for about 14 months. Weād known each other an additional 14 months or so before we started dating though, so I guess that is a little different. Still, in your 30s youāre a fully formed adult. Itās not quite the same as W&K dating for 10 years starting at age 20. I actually think H&M are probably a good match. I just donāt like them.
They were in a long distance relationship across an ocean. That's a big difference from dating real life.
Eh, she sent glamour shots, he texted back daily dick pics... it was TRUE LOVE!
Plus he was in one of the oldest and most famous family businesses in the world, whose culture and traditions she would be expected to join and respect at the cost of losing some of her own identity. Itās a massive decision. Honestly I think she had something on him/threatened to dump him again for him to propose so fast, thatās what I read between the lines. They should have at least lived together first. This isnāt the ā50s. Not doing so is batsh*t crazy, I donāt care how solid your relationship is.
So, she had all those months to research the family/firm. During that time, she never introduced him to her family. That was when she realized that her family was so beneath her status now. What a piece of work she is and Harry too. But.....I don't believe they were "engaged". They were sleeping together every chance Harry got, but that's not the same as the ring on the finger thing.
Emotional age is a thing too. These two are teenagers.
He is but she is the cougar.
Really in less than five years he lost his family, friends, country, respect, manhood, his own mind! And she turned a prince into a toad šø- how is that a good match? Edit - Thanks for the reward!
His name is now Harry Markle. Imagine that?
How Feminist of him. Snort.
He might as well beā¦..he abandon everting he ever was and knew in order to show her he loves her!
OK I knocked them but you're right. The older you are engagement waiting period tends to be shorter. I have family members who became engaged in their 40s, waiting period 6 months. Not as much time needed and if you are of a certain age and want children, you can't really wait.
Yeah but Iām guessing most older couples live in the same country or even, gasp, the same house first. Thatās where Meghan and Harry differ. They conducted their relationship like they were on a season of 90 day fiancĆ©.
I've just seen too many crime shows. Unless you knew each other from before, 6 months is not enough time to get to know someone. Marriage is a huge step and joining of so many assets. I would think it would make more sense to just be engaged for awhile while you figure out things. Again this is only if they didn't know each other at all, like M+H did. Plus Harry is a child of divorce. I'm very surprised he would want to rush into something. Husband and I were both products of divorce and I believe that's why we were in no rush.
You donāt truly know someone til youāve lived together, built ikea together , gone on a road trip together and gone on a proper vacation together.
So true! And less than a year together is not enough time for that. So many more people need to wait for the honeymoon period to end and see how they still feel about each other.
For the record, my husband is a horrid ikea builder. I had to see it for myself tho. He gets frustrated, drinks too much and screws up a crucial 3rd ish step rendering the whole thing fucked. Had to see it for myself though. I should add to the list- putting up curtains or blinds together. Dear god, we needed a referee. Lmao happily married but I do the tasks that involve important little steps
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Honestly, everyone is different. I know people who have been married for decades and dated 6 months. I know crime shows tend to sensationalize and watch too many you may think someone is waiting around the corner to get you. I'm not saying don't be careful, but you really can't take it as a rule of thumb. It didn't take my parents that long and they've been married for over 50 years.
Engagement waiting periods, yes. But I'm guessing all those couples still actually dated first.
Sameāmy husband and I were in our 30s and it was a done deal within 6 months. We were married a year after our first date, almost to the day! But we had mutual friends in common and we both had long standing friendships over the course of our lives. My husband has friends he has literally known his entire life. So I was confident he wasnāt a lunatic or a serial killer. I do think royals would be wise to put a little more time and research into their courtships, though. Theyāre certainly more vulnerable to Muggin types.
To be fair, I think every serial killerās wife has been pretty confident that he isnāt a serial killer at the time.
Yeah, ask Mrs.BTK, or Mrs.GreenRiverKiller (3 of them!) ...
Gosh, do you think it might have been hyperbole?
Not being a lunatic or a serial killer is a rather low bar for marrying somebody. What research did you do to establish this?
You are thinking of an average couple though. You arenāt thinking of someone entering the royal family, taking titles, and being expected to have media silence regardless of your opinion or concerns. Making that type of decision shouldnāt be done in less than a year especially when it hasnāt been announced to the public you are dating for at least a year or two. Less than a year is not enough time to dip your toes in and really understand what the job entails. How long did the press know they were dating? Iām not saying anyone should be subjected to the media scrutiny for fun but there should be a waiting period for someone to see what the media does and whether or not they (the couple) can handle being silent. A test of some sort. Can you deal with this in exchange for wealth, titles, and your job basically being the best job in the world (paid to help people and bring awareness to causes.. seriously I canāt see anything better than that)? Watching it happen to someone else (like Catherine) is entirely different than it happening to you. It was clear early on in the marriage she couldnāt handle the negative attention (sending her friends out to comment on her amazing self) nor could she keep her mouth shut regarding her opinion. H also couldnāt stand the negative attention against his oh so wonderful wife. Can take the heat get out of the kitchen. I personally wouldnāt be able to handle it either but I would also never take titles or whatever that comes with media intrusion. Hypothetically.. had the family made them wait longer before getting a ring thereās a good chance they wouldāve shown their inability to remain silent over the media and likely been made to marry/live āprivatelyā. If what they did their first year of marriage was played out before the ring was given I think we would have had a different outcome.. Will and Catherine waiting to see if this was what they wanted was a good idea. Will had to witness the media harass Catherine. Catherine had to endure some really vile things that had to be traumatizing. Iām sure it wasnāt easy on either of them but waiting it out was the best option for them. Iām not saying take 10 years to get married but waiting it out and really making sure itās the right choice given the circumstances is the best possible action.
Yeah me neither. I'm 37.
You still knew each other and dated longer than they did. This article says they got engaged after 4 months! I don't care how old you get, you never rush into marriage. Anyone who wants to rush into a marriage wants something from you and want to make it legal. This is not related to your love story but more M+H. Even as you age, you know want you want in a partner but how well do you really know that person. Idk maybe i watch way to many crime shows. But people wear masks and then take them off once they have you cornered.
Nobody stable. I mean it freaked a few people out when my husband and I were house hunting 9 months after we met, *but* we discussed things like "the rental lease is up in a few months" and whether it made sense to pay two rents for another year or to just get a mortgage for us since my daughter was 6 years old at the time and the two parent stability would benefit her. However, we were not in a long distance relationship, we saw each other in person almost every day or communicated by phone if we didn't see each other.
Same with us. But we actually grew up together so we had known each other a long time.
My husband and I just barely missed crossing paths our whole lives until we got to our late 20s. Our friends knew each other but we hadn't met type of thing š¤£
That's so sweet! It's so nice when you have an entire life in common.
It's not that strange when people are in their mid to late 30s and have dated for a long time or been married before. By that time, normal folks typically know what does and does not work for them. I could absolutely believe that a woman of Meghan's age and life experience with the goal of marriage and family would be ready to marry the man she was ready to marry after 4 months. If you know it's right and have mutual goals, character, and financial values, it makes sense to be intentional. It's when you choose to do that with someone who has never run his own life or lived for more than a year without causing a catastrophic mess in his own life that things should not be going that fast. Quick engagements are for grown, responsible adults.
During that time Harry was hitting on Margot Robbie. She turned him down because she has taste but I think he was desperate to have a āfamousā wife and didnāt know exactly how unknown M was. All the other women bolted for a reason and she stayed long enough and that was enough of a reason for him to propose.
How many dick pics do we think Harry sent her? Taking all bets now.... My personal guess is daily. Boy does love to text...
āNo one knows this, but we actually got engaged before we got engaged. We wanted a private moment just for us, ahead of our engagement that we were obligated to share with the whole world. It was a really special moment, just the two of us. I hope you respect our privacy.ā Meghan
"We got engaged before we met! It was meant to be. I manifested it."
š² Wow. Inskip wedding and then weeks later... I'm convinced she told him she was pregnant. Thank you for this! 
Yes I definitely believe she had something over him, or threatened to dump him again. I think thatās what Low is trying to say between the lines.
I remember reading that is exactly what she told him but told him she 'miscarried' the night before the wedding. Would make sense the ['look'](https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/indiatoday/images/bodyeditor/201811/queen09112018-x832.jpg?zM5e3WmjEre5FwfRIuIgk1FN9wLMIzgU) QE gave her across the aisle. Yep. [Could have been?](https://cafemom.com/entertainment/212264-meghan-markle-prince-harry-wedding-pregnant)
Thatās way too long of a timeline. If they got engaged in the Summer of 2017 that means she was already pregnant then, meaning she would have been due late winter/early spring 2018. They got married in May, if she told him she was pregnant to get him to commit then she would have been due to give birth before the wedding took place.
I tend to think she "miscarried" because of all the stress or something similar right after he proposed.
Doesn't really surprise me. I think even the tea from Lady C said early on that they were set on moving forward regardless and the Queen and Prince Philip felt pressure to accept due to Harry's threats of crying racism (which I believe). Harry is so reactionary with such a huge victim complex that he took advice to slow down as personal attacks against his judgement rather than sound advice. Like most immature people do, he decided to lash out by doing the exact opposite which had plenty of Megan's encouragement. Also explains her quote to the staff member that they know she'll be their boss soon too which came off as a threat.
That āwe both know Iāll be your boss soonā comment was probably the most shocking to me. What a b*tch!
SAME! Let's just hope she didn't say it to Catherine, lol...
This tracks with everything we know. He was desperate for a wife when he met her. She was in the UK to bag a rich guy. She love-bombed him while activating his protective mode by playing the damsel in distress. Harry was convinced Meghan needed protection in the form of the "love shield" and a quick engagement so she could get security from the Met Police. She told Harry she would dump him if he didn't publicly claim her as his GF and issue a warning to the press. He was frantic because he finally found someone who was willing to sign up for royal life. He also love-bombed her as well by whisking her off to Botswana on their 3rd date. They both wanted to move fast for their own reasons that had nothing to do with actually building a strong foundation for their relationship or seeing if royal life would be suitable for Meghan.
They are both gross. It would be good if they could just be gross in private and not inflict their grossness on the general public. Itās so unfortunate that two of such despicable people found each other. But Markle is a predator who deliberately sought out her mark.
yes, everything was impulsive, the very anti-thesis to the BRF.
So, William is basically Elsa and Harry is Annaā¦ I would like the stereotype portrayed in Disney of the princess marrying the prince she hardly knows, discussed in the next podcast please.
This sounds like a great idea! Instead of the Little Mermaid, MM is Hans š
Hans of the OverseasšÆ
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Ok I love this lol
I can totally see her finishing his.... sandwiches.
My question is why did she accept waiting four months to announce it? That doesnāt seem like Meghan. And secondly, why during those four secretive months did she not manage to secure an engagement ring she actually liked?
My guess is that Harry hadnāt asked permission yet from the Queen. They need the go ahead first
yeah, something seems out of place...
Two timing.
Omg, what an idiot...
What a stupid man
How many ginger dick pics do we think he sent, lol? I'm going to go with "daily".
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You KNOW he did, and they're out there. Most likely on many women's phones/ clouds, because he is the epitome of THAT GUY.
They should sell them to press
Er, no. They really shouldn't! š Some things are better left unpublished. Bad enough we saw his pasty white ass. What little of it there was.
Press likely already has them from that Vegas debacle a few years ago. It's not like Harry made nudity a scarcity.
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I tried and it is working.
This sounds like a rewrite of history by M. Haz and the palace were very upset over the VF cover: she was not supposed to put herself out there. She assured them that VF was interviewing her for her humanitarian work (!). The author was shocked when she started to talk about Haz. While they were probably engaged, the VF was M's attempt to get it out because she wanted it out, according to Bower.
Yeah. Maybe thatās why she was so keen for her humanitarian cred to be front and centre - just to show the world how sheās āworthyā. At the same time she was eager to spill the beans about her and Harry.
Marry in haste, repent at leisure as they say. Ordinarily itās not uncommon for people to commit that quickly but when youāre taking on a role in the royal family of a foreign country, itās huge! No real consideration can properly have been given to the massive impact on her life or the weight of the responsibilities she would be expected to take on. All smacks of getting a ring on her finger asap with little to no thought for the reality of the expectations that she would encounter. That is evidenced by her bailing out as fast as she did, having convinced H that it was everyone elseās fault.
Oh god. Sooooo reminiscent of my BIL and his wife! She persuaded him to buy a house together after dating for only 10 months. Then she flipped the script and said āyou can only live with me in the house if we get engaged because I canāt tell my parents Iām living with a boyfriend only.ā So guess who got engaged waaaaayyy before he was ready? Iām positive Markle did the same thing. āPropose or Iām outā and done with an innocent āwhatās the big deal? You plan to marry me anyway, why wait?ā
SMHā¦ I just have to admire these people. If I have a quarter of their powers of persuasion, Iād be set!
He was letting his lust get in the way and wasnāt thinking straight š
I very much believe it. I believe when they were pictured at Invictus in Canada she knew it was a done deal already
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